NIT . . . too early?

[Mr. Nielsen]

I never liked the play in games, so yes I'd rather go to NIT than Dayton.

Well, it's opening round. Field is 68 teams. Can't be a play-in. Odd that anyone would want the NIT than the NCAA Tournament.

[MattyWarrior]

Snub the nc2a and win the NIT, I love it!

[Its DJOver]

Guru

Truthfully, it is a losing battle discussing program progress with folks hoping for Dayton play in game. I am not certain that the team next year will benefit a great deal from a weak BE. At this point I think they end up with 1-2 additional conference wins, at best. Loss of Rowsey will hurt more than many realize today.

Losing Andrew will hurt, but big daddy has confirmed that we are in on multiple pg options for next year. Wojo also has a very good record with grad transfers. If not, what happens, happens, Markus and Greg may be below average, but I still have faith they can get the job done.

[Floorslapper]

Guru

Truthfully, it is a losing battle discussing program progress with folks hoping for Dayton play in game. I am not certain that the team next year will benefit a great deal from a weak BE. At this point I think they end up with 1-2 additional conference wins, at best. Loss of Rowsey will hurt more than many realize today.

This.  Rowsey easily the best PG at MU since Diener, and very comparable as a player.  So, there will be that reality that those who support Wojo at every turn can point to, but on the flip side, it will be Year 5 and he has to take full credit/blame for roster composition.

[jesmu84]

This.  Rowsey easily the best PG at MU since Diener, and very comparable as a player.  So, there will be that reality that those who support Wojo at every turn can point to, but on the flip side, it will be Year 5 and he has to take full credit/blame for roster composition.

Barring unforeseen injuries, you are correct

[GGGG]

This.  Rowsey easily the best PG at MU since Diener, and very comparable as a player.  So, there will be that reality that those who support Wojo at every turn can point to, but on the flip side, it will be Year 5 and he has to take full credit/blame for roster composition.

Oh I agree with that completely.  In fact, he has full credit/blame for this year's roster composition as well.

[Goose]

yeti

I actually very much respect guru's love of MU ball and his appreciation of it's history. He is valued poster and not encouraging or discouraging him.

As for my being bearish on next season, I would say I am neutral. I do not believe the program has upper level talent this year and will not next year. If you know a thing about ball, MU ball is light years away from 'nova talent level. I believe we have another potential bubble year type of talent next season.

[muguru]

This.  Rowsey easily the best PG at MU since Diener, and very comparable as a player.  So, there will be that reality that those who support Wojo at every turn can point to, but on the flip side, it will be Year 5 and he has to take full credit/blame for roster composition.

Aaaaaand, you just gave them their excuse for next year if things go bad..."losing Rowsey was too much to overcome". It will be something they come up with, I promise you that.

[Goose]

Guru

No excuses next season. I have read with excitement how the ball experts have very high expectations next season.

[Class71]

Guru

There is a lot optimism for next year on this board and they have been banging the drum for next year. One thing I can assure you, their idea of success next year is far different than how we grade success. I will be anxious to see the predictions for next season and see what actually happens. My gut tells me that the wait until next year folks will have watered expectations when they make their predictions.

I heard the drum but it is not music unless the conductor can teach some solid defense and finds a solid point guard. Rowsey had plenty of flaws but he could shoot and play point when he wanted to. Howard can shoot but point is another story.

[Hards Alumni]

Mmmmk...and I'm supposed to listen to someone half my age tell me what i am right and wrong about?? I forgot, your generation THINKS they are right about everything...it's a different world now, that's for sure. I'll tell you what I will do...and I want EVERYONE to see this, so they can revel in it as well...if I don't know what i'm talking about(that MU will NOT be in the NCAA tourney...and Dayton doesn't count), I will delete this account, and never post her again, not under an alias, or any other means, sound good?? We'll see who's right.

Being old doesn't make you right.   You come off as a crazy person because you are irrational.

[muguru]

Guru

No excuses next season. I have read with excitement how the ball experts have very high expectations next season.

Just wait Goose...it will come, I assure you of that.There have been constant excuses the first four years, why would year freaking 5 be any different?? You know Goose, NEXT year if things go bad, the same people that have been railing on us, saying Wojo isn't the answer, will be...guess what?? Saying Wojo isn't the answer. Amazing, how some of us can see things sooner then others, isn't it??

[Goose]

Hards

I strongly disagree with your calling guru irrational. To me he is passionate and that should mean something. Many of the young guns have passion and throw out daily stats to support themselves, are they irrational? IMO supporting a coach and program that has shown little to no progress in four years is irrational.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We will absolutely miss Rowsey next season. No doubt about it.

We also bring back a lot and add a lot of talent. It should be more than enough to make up for the departure of Rowsey.

People were saying that we could never recover from the departure of Henry Ellenson....instead we rose 60ish spots in KenPom and made the tourney. It could be different next year.

[Its DJOver]

Hards

I strongly disagree with your calling guru irrational. To me he is passionate and that should mean something. Many of the young guns have passion and throw out daily stats to support themselves, are they irrational? IMO supporting a coach and program that has shown little to no progress in four years is irrational.

Little to no progress???
4-14
8-10
10-8
9-9 with the same overall record and better rpi.
You can make the argument that we've regressed this year (although I would disagree) but no progress. You gotta be kidding me.

[WarriorFan]

Snub the nc2a and win the NIT, I love it!

Glad someone recognized the historical significance of my earlier post. 
Thanks.

[pbiflyer]

I asked Google Home if the game in Dayton were part of the NCAA tournament. She said yes.

Yeah, but how long has she been a Marquette fan??????

[Goose]

TAMU

A lot of role player talent on a good team returning, not great talent. To get this crew to be a top 15 program next season would take a coaching effort that we have not seen from Wojo yet. So, either guys have been holding back or Wojo has been laying in the weeds waiting for next season, I fully expect similar results next season. Howard is the best talent returning and he will miss Rowsey the most. PG makes the world go round and we do not have one.

[dgies9156]

Glad someone recognized the historical significance of my earlier post. 
Thanks.

You can't do that anymore. NCAA rules require that if you are offered an NCAA bid, you go.

Think of it as the McGuire rule.

[muguru]

Little to no progress???
4-14
8-10
10-8
9-9 with the same overall record and better rpi.
You can make the argument that we've regressed this year (although I would disagree) but no progress. You gotta be kidding me.

If you can't see how sad this is...I don't know what to tell you...we are supposed to see going from 4-14 in the Big East to 10-8 being progress?? Do you remember when they won the Big East when it was the best conference ever assembled?? I sure do...talk about a hard fall from grace.

[Goose]

DJOver

Did you read my post and your reply before posting? There has been zero progress in three seasons. If you think being .500 in BE over last three years is progress, we have difference of opinion. Take away 'nova win last year and zero has been gained in three years. That said, wait until next year, right?

[Its DJOver]

If you can't see how sad this is...I don't know what to tell you...we are supposed to see going from 4-14 in the Big East to 10-8 being progress?? Do you remember when they won the Big East when it was the best conference ever assembled?? I sure do...talk about a hard fall from grace.

I don't know how you can say 4 wins to 10 wins isn't progress

[Billy Hoyle]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors make the NCAA.  But it doesn't feel that way.

At 8-17?  Even with that big win over Benedictine I don't see it.

[Its DJOver]

DJOver

Did you read my post and your reply before posting? There has been zero progress in three seasons. If you think being .500 in BE over last three years is progress, we have difference of opinion. Take away 'nova win last year and zero has been gained in three years. That said, wait until next year, right?

Take away the nova win. Of coarse you would discredit the best regular season win in program history.

[GGGG]

Take away the nova win. Of coarse you would discredit the best regular season win in program history.

Goose is as irrational as guru is.