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GoldenEagles03

OMax has 13 points at halftime against the 1 seed Thunder.

4-5 from the field. 4-5 from the FT line.
VIOLENCE!

tower912

Good for him.   Always a fan.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

MU82

Quote from: Jockey on January 22, 2025, 07:07:09 PMC-A-N-C-E-R

An elephant doesn't change his stripes.

Serious question: Was Butler a "cancer" when he was carrying the Heat to two NBA Finals? Maybe he was in remission.
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Jockey

Quote from: MU82 on January 23, 2025, 09:14:31 PMSerious question: Was Butler a "cancer" when he was carrying the Heat to two NBA Finals? Maybe he was in remission.

Serious answer? Yes. Absolutely. When teams can't wait to dump him and he gets suspended numerous times? A resounding YES.

However, I have never questioned his ability. I have stated that he could lead the Suns to a title if he gets traded there - something Durant or Booker will never do.


MU82

Quote from: Jockey on January 23, 2025, 09:26:36 PMSerious answer? Yes. Absolutely. When teams can't wait to dump him and he gets suspended numerous times? A resounding YES.

However, I have never questioned his ability. I have stated that he could lead the Suns to a title if he gets traded there - something Durant or Booker will never do.



Actually, the Heat didn't want to dump him.

He's intent on forcing his way out, and looking like a 4-year-old in the process.

But no, he definitely was not a "cancer" with the heat before recently. If you have evidence otherwise, please share it.
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PGsHeroes32

Quote from: Jockey on January 23, 2025, 09:26:36 PMSerious answer? Yes. Absolutely. When teams can't wait to dump him and he gets suspended numerous times? A resounding YES.

However, I have never questioned his ability. I have stated that he could lead the Suns to a title if he gets traded there - something Durant or Booker will never do.



Jimmy definitely handles things like a it's my way or the highway child

But to say teams can't wIt to dump him is absurdly incorrect

His issues in Minnesota and Miami are both him literally trying to force them to not keep him there
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

Jockey

I think I have been clear that Jimmy is my least fave post-MU player ever. Maybe the only one about whom I have negative feelings. And he never acknowledges MU (compare with Wade).

I see him as a selfish "I am the only one that matters" guy. A basketball version of Jaire Alexander.

Luckily, Jimmy isn't in Milwaukee and hopefully Jaire won't be in GB.

The Sultan

Jimmy Butler is way better at his profession than Jaire is at his.

And that's the point that people are making.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jockey

Quote from: The Sultan on January 24, 2025, 12:00:27 PMJimmy Butler is way better at his profession than Jaire is at his.

And that's the point that people are making.

When healthy, they are pretty close. Jaire has been all-2nd team twice. Jimmy has been all-2nd team once (3rd team a few times). My personal feeling is it is quite a bit harder to be all-pro 2nd team in hoops as opposed to football.

MU82

Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2025, 11:55:00 AMI think I have been clear that Jimmy is my least fave post-MU player ever. Maybe the only one about whom I have negative feelings. And he never acknowledges MU (compare with Wade).

I see him as a selfish "I am the only one that matters" guy. A basketball version of Jaire Alexander.

Luckily, Jimmy isn't in Milwaukee and hopefully Jaire won't be in GB.

Like any of us, you are allowed to have favorite and least-favorite athletes.

But your statement that Miami was trying to dump him because he's a cancer (or for any reason at all) was inaccurate and showed your bias.
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pbiflyer

Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2025, 11:55:00 AMI think I have been clear that Jimmy is my least fave post-MU player ever. Maybe the only one about whom I have negative feelings. And he never acknowledges MU (compare with Wade).
 

Joey says hi.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on January 24, 2025, 11:55:00 AMI think I have been clear that Jimmy is my least fave post-MU player ever. Maybe the only one about whom I have negative feelings. And he never acknowledges MU (compare with Wade).

I see him as a selfish "I am the only one that matters" guy. A basketball version of Jaire Alexander.

Luckily, Jimmy isn't in Milwaukee and hopefully Jaire won't be in GB.

Some Marquette alum and fans think it's a plus Jimmy acts the way he does towards Marquette
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pbiflyer

Jimmy had important stuff to do instead of making the plane:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2025/01/23/so-where-was-jimmy-butler-on-day-heat-flew-to-milwaukee-pr-firm-issues-details/

That followed from a subject line of: Jimmy Butler unexpectedly attends Reserve Cup Draft Dinner amid suspension.

As in the Reserve Cup in Miami, a championship event for padel, a racquet sport that is similar to tennis but played in an enclosed court with walls, one that Butler has played and promoted over the years.

The background on Butler's day away, in its entirety, as supplied Thursday by the event's promotion, along with a photo of the event held the same day as the Heat's team flight to Milwaukee:


MU82

Nick Richards is a solid NBA center and was a great pickup by the Suns. He quickly took over for Miles Plumlee in the starting lineup and had 20 points and 19 rebounds last night. Oso, whose playing time has decreased since the trade, never got in the game.

TK and OMax played only sparingly for NY and Dal last night, with neither scoring.
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GoldenEagles03

Jimmy suspended indefinitely after walking out of practice today when they told him he wouldn't be starting.
VIOLENCE!

Vander Blue Man Group

Butler has had issues with every organization he's played for. 

What's the common denominator in each of those situations? 

I'm not sure if "cancer" is the right descriptor but he eventually becomes a problem wherever he plays. 

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 27, 2025, 03:32:55 PMButler has had issues with every organization he's played for. 

What's the common denominator in each of those situations? 

I'm not sure if "cancer" is the right descriptor but he eventually becomes a problem wherever he plays. 

It's business. Jimmy thinks his production is worth extending...the Heat feel he's too old to extend. He wants to play for someone that sees his value.  All too common in sports with aging athletes that can still produce.

Good little back and forth here from Chuck and Shaq on Jimmy.

https://x.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1882625059396927613?t=Htfjxy-9Q6ga1uiSydYtBw&s=19
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Uncle Rico

Jimmy is the problem
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The Sultan

Someone on another board speculated if his repeated sabotaging of relationships is a result of the trauma he dealt with when his parents kicked him out of the house as a child.

No idea if that's actually the case but it wouldn't surprise me.
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wadesworld

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 03:40:46 PMIt's business. Jimmy thinks his production is worth extending...the Heat feel he's too old to extend. He wants to play for someone that sees his value.  All too common in sports with aging athletes that can still produce.

Good little back and forth here from Chuck and Shaq on Jimmy.

https://x.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1882625059396927613?t=Htfjxy-9Q6ga1uiSydYtBw&s=19

It's business for every player in the NBA.  Many players deserve extensions as early as possible.  Not many act like Jimmy Butler when he doesn't get it immediately.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: wadesworld on January 27, 2025, 04:09:00 PMIt's business for every player in the NBA.  Many players deserve extensions as early as possible.  Not many act like Jimmy Butler when he doesn't get it immediately.

Not many players are this good late into their career to even have a chance to sign a max level extension at that age. He's closer to 40 than 30 and an extension would probably take him to age 40 at least. This isn't all that uncommon.

Wade left Miami once for money that the same Pat Riley didn't want to give him, Shaq explains that he did it multiple times. Durant demanded a trade from Brooklyn. It happens with high level players that don't have the situation they hoped for. 🤷
VIOLENCE!

The Sultan

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 27, 2025, 04:17:47 PMNot many players are this good late into their career to even have a chance to sign a max level extension at that age. He's closer to 40 than 30 and an extension would probably take him to age 40 at least. This isn't all that uncommon.

Wade left Miami once for money that the same Pat Riley didn't want to give him, Shaq explains that he did it multiple times. Durant demanded a trade from Brooklyn. It happens with high level players that don't have the situation they hoped for. 🤷


Was Butler, Shaq or Durant repeaedly suspended or conducted themselves the way Butler is now?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

A business decision by Jimmy.  And by Riley.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: tower912 on January 27, 2025, 04:27:55 PMA business decision by Jimmy.  And by Riley.

Exactly what it is. Two guys that don't want to back down.

I have no idea if Shaq and Durant got suspended, but I know this was always going to be the case for Jimmy...he's not going to risk injury playing for a team that doesn't want to commit to him in the future.

That's business between billionaires and millionaires...and always will be.
VIOLENCE!

MuggsyB

I'm not sure what exactly this Butler saga accomplishes Tower. 

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