Interesting Day Ahead...

[Mutaman]

Reasons

This post pretty much sums up the internet.

[Jay Bee]

We have a former head of the FBI investigating the President's campaign, but they'll be scared off by the NCAA???

Lol.

^^^ ban dis guy

[Lighthouse 84]

^^^ ban dis guy

Rules don't apply to all apparently, hey?

[Jay Bee]

Rules don't apply to all apparently, hey?

Let's Go Warriors!!!

[Hards Alumni]

This post pretty much sums up the internet.

You're right.  It is impossible to think something on a message board without explaining yourself in long form.

MY BAD.

[jesmu84]

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/report-spreadsheets-and-documents-list-names-and-details-in-college-basketball-payment-scheme

[Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020]

1.   Barstool broke that news?!!!

2.  Eerily similar to Artie Piscano in "Casino":

https://youtu.be/DzC-ajqynG4

[skianth16]

From the Yahoo article - "If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried."

Yikes. We had one of those didn't we?

[wojoswarrior]

I think the only the Ellensons got was a free ride for Wally!

[warriorchick]

I think the only the Ellensons got was a free ride for Wally!

[mu03eng]

I think the only the Ellensons got was a free ride for Wally!

And an ice cream truck

[GGGG]

This article shows the spreadsheets.

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html

No Marquette players. But Xavier, Creighton and SHU.

[fjm]

Phew!

MU not listed once.

But Duke, mich state, Kentucky, witchita state, Alabama, auburn, USC are listed a few times.

For the BEast:
Creigthon, Xavier, SHU and "Villanova coaches" are listed.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Do we now know why DJ Newbill skipped town?

[🏀]

Diamond Stone, at the time a freshman at Maryland, received $14,303 according to the documents.


Would who have thought?

[🏀]

Let's say Mack is truthful here..

Only Xavier coach Chris Mack elected to release a statement. He said: "I have no relationship with Andy Miller or any of his associates. He plays no role in the recruitment of potential student athletes on Xavier's behalf. Beyond that, our staff has never created a path for him to foster a relationship with any of our student-athletes while enrolled at Xavier. Any suggestion that I or anyone on my staff utilized Andy Miller to provide even the slightest of financial benefits to a Xavier student-athlete is grossly misinformed. We are prepared to cooperate with any and all investigations at any level."


He's got nothing to do with payments, Xavier itself stayed clean. But Sumner definitely took the money, X  and Mack should still hang for it, right? No institutional control?

[Uncle Rico]

Let's say Mack is truthful here..

Only Xavier coach Chris Mack elected to release a statement. He said: "I have no relationship with Andy Miller or any of his associates. He plays no role in the recruitment of potential student athletes on Xavier's behalf. Beyond that, our staff has never created a path for him to foster a relationship with any of our student-athletes while enrolled at Xavier. Any suggestion that I or anyone on my staff utilized Andy Miller to provide even the slightest of financial benefits to a Xavier student-athlete is grossly misinformed. We are prepared to cooperate with any and all investigations at any level."


He's got nothing to do with payments, Xavier itself stayed clean. But Sumner definitely took the money, X  and Mack should still hang for it, right? No institutional control?

If history is an indicator, the answer would be yes.  This is similar to Marcus Camby and UMass.  Given the depth of this investigation at the federal level, it could be years before the NCAA can do much about it.

[mileskishnish72]

Nova's Kyle Lowry is also on the list.

[mu03eng]

Let's say Mack is truthful here..

Only Xavier coach Chris Mack elected to release a statement. He said: "I have no relationship with Andy Miller or any of his associates. He plays no role in the recruitment of potential student athletes on Xavier's behalf. Beyond that, our staff has never created a path for him to foster a relationship with any of our student-athletes while enrolled at Xavier. Any suggestion that I or anyone on my staff utilized Andy Miller to provide even the slightest of financial benefits to a Xavier student-athlete is grossly misinformed. We are prepared to cooperate with any and all investigations at any level."


He's got nothing to do with payments, Xavier itself stayed clean. But Sumner definitely took the money, X  and Mack should still hang for it, right? No institutional control?

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but I'm not sure how any of us can reasonably expect any institution to be able to track a player and his parents financial transactions outside of the school's control. If Sumner is getting a "loan" or even harder his dad is getting a "loan" has is X supposed to know that and stop it? At some point the individuals themselves have to have agency to stay within eligibility rules. In this scenario, Sumner should be ineligible but I don't know that X has any responsibility (based on what we know).

This is just another example of why the NCAA has it all wrong when it comes to amateurism. Their model invites more corruption than it prevents, if "star players" were able to profit off the fame outside of university activities (local dealership wants them as a sponsor, etc) these types of things wouldn't matter. This is the hellscape that the NCAA created for itself and I can't wait to watch it burn.

[🏀]

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but I'm not sure how any of us can reasonably expect any institution to be able to track a player and his parents financial transactions outside of the school's control. If Sumner is getting a "loan" or even harder his dad is getting a "loan" has is X supposed to know that and stop it? At some point the individuals themselves have to have agency to stay within eligibility rules. In this scenario, Sumner should be ineligible but I don't know that X has any responsibility (based on what we know).

This is just another example of why the NCAA has it all wrong when it comes to amateurism. Their model invites more corruption than it prevents, if "star players" were able to profit off the fame outside of university activities (local dealership wants them as a sponsor, etc) these types of things wouldn't matter. This is the hellscape that the NCAA created for itself and I can't wait to watch it burn.

As much as I would like to see Mack hang, you word for word described by feelings on this.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Glad to see we weren't mentioned.

But color me shocked if anything meaningful will actually happen to any of these teams.

Kansas on the list. Come on down, Mr. Grimes!

[Babybluejeans]

Glad to see we weren't mentioned.

But color me shocked if anything meaningful will actually happen to any of these teams.

Yep. The NCAA has time and again proven itself utterly toothless. I don't expect any meaningful punishment to come of this except maybe Coach K sits out an exhibition game (and whines about it). Fun!

[jesmu84]

Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but I'm not sure how any of us can reasonably expect any institution to be able to track a player and his parents financial transactions outside of the school's control. If Sumner is getting a "loan" or even harder his dad is getting a "loan" has is X supposed to know that and stop it? At some point the individuals themselves have to have agency to stay within eligibility rules. In this scenario, Sumner should be ineligible but I don't know that X has any responsibility (based on what we know).

This is just another example of why the NCAA has it all wrong when it comes to amateurism. Their model invites more corruption than it prevents, if "star players" were able to profit off the fame outside of university activities (local dealership wants them as a sponsor, etc) these types of things wouldn't matter. This is the hellscape that the NCAA created for itself and I can't wait to watch it burn.

Wasn't this precedent set with Cam Newton? His dad took money. The school and Cam claimed ignorance of the event. No evidence tying school to money. The NCAA did nothing.

[GGGG]

This really is too big for the NCAA anyway. It's been starved by its members who really don't want vigorous enforcement.

The amateurism model is the problem. Economics always wins. Instead of fighting it, regulate meaningful compensation. A model can exist if smart people put their minds together.

[Dish]

Certainly an interesting read. Waiting for the DOJ bomb to drop though, which will be tantalizing to see who took plea deals and then what action will take place.