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Author Topic: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?  (Read 10881 times)

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If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« on: February 27, 2017, 04:53:59 PM »
If we fall to Xavier, Creighton and are a first-round exit in the Big East tournament, does Wojo still get the automatic 4th year?

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2017, 04:54:22 PM »
Yes and yes.

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2017, 04:55:32 PM »
No and yes

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2017, 04:55:51 PM »
Yes, but it would definitely turn up the heat. That said, I'd still consider this year a grudging success if we landed in the NIT.
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2017, 04:56:43 PM »
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2017, 04:58:21 PM »
Wojo isn't going anywhere.

However, if MU loses out, it would be hard to call this season progress.

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2017, 05:02:14 PM »
If we fall to Xavier, Creighton and are a first-round exit in the Big East tournament, does Wojo still get the automatic 4th year?
Consideration is being given to another contract extension as we speak. Everyone on the BOT thinks Lovell walks on water . As long as Lovell  is in the power position he is going to keep his boy in the job. Scholl will carry any water he is told to carry.
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2017, 05:12:42 PM »
If Marquette's leadership is all set to have him come back next year...and they lose out...and Marquette fires him because of that, the problem lies with Marquette's leadership.

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2017, 05:27:18 PM »
Consideration is being given to another contract extension as we speak. Everyone on the BOT thinks Lovell walks on water . As long as Lovell  is in the power position he is going to keep his boy in the job. Scholl will carry any water he is told to carry.

I think the last thing the administration should be looking at now is a contract extension. While Wojo certainly hasn't done anything fireable, he also hasn't showed anything to indicate he's worth millions more in an extension. His future rests with next year's freshmen. If they can't play 30 minutes a game and hold their own, his seat should be very warm.

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2017, 05:32:56 PM »
Barring a  last place finish next season Wojo is here for at least two more years. I would have a hard time seeing him staying if he can't get us into the NCAAs after 5 years.
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2017, 05:34:42 PM »
It needs to be strongly suggested to Wojo next year however that he bring in either a veteran X's and o's guy, or a defensive minded guru. I think Wojo thinks he has this all under control, when in reality, he doesn't.
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2017, 05:36:47 PM »
It needs to be strongly suggested to Wojo next year however that he bring in either a veteran X's and o's guy, or a defensive minded guru. I think Wojo thinks he has this all under control, when in reality, he doesn't.


Marquette isn't going to tell him to make staff changes. 

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2017, 06:01:34 PM »
If Marquette's leadership is all set to have him come back next year...and they lose out...and Marquette fires him because of that, the problem lies with Marquette's leadership.

Eh, coaches are paid to win. If he's not doing that enough, they should drop him. A guy not living up to expectations doesn't need to be held onto any longer just because they think he's a swell guy.

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2017, 06:11:46 PM »
It needs to be strongly suggested to Wojo next year however that he bring in either a veteran X's and o's guy, or a defensive minded guru. I think Wojo thinks he has this all under control, when in reality, he doesn't.

Every coach has a strong and substantial ego.   They could have a plan, and stick to it despite things not going exactly as planned.  It's when egnis combined with sensibility that a coach sees failure, faces it, is repulsed by it, and then makes changes,

We will see what we have soon.....

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2017, 06:15:34 PM »
Eh, coaches are paid to win. If he's not doing that enough, they should drop him. A guy not living up to expectations doesn't need to be held onto any longer just because they think he's a swell guy.

Very true. Wojo is a nice guy, but he's making millions. I think it's acceptable for us to demand more and not accept mediocrity.

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2017, 06:52:45 PM »
Eh, coaches are paid to win. If he's not doing that enough, they should drop him. A guy not living up to expectations doesn't need to be held onto any longer just because they think he's a swell guy.

I think the problem may be is how concerned is the administration with on court results?? I'm not sure winning at a high level is all that important to them or the BOT. At least not like it used to be at MU.
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2017, 07:01:28 PM »
4-14
8-10
8-10

Three years with above record.  Can't see next year being much improved with loss of Fischer, leaving Heldt as starter and no one proven behind.  Yes, Luke has faltered lately, but he was at least a presence at times. Heldt won't be on court for more than 10 minutes without foul issues.

Unless Wojo gets a big PF grad transfer or Froling is better than expected, 8-10 might be a wish.

Fours years of non winning BE record, then year five make or break for Wojo. 

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2017, 07:23:44 PM »
I think the problem may be is how concerned is the administration with on court results?? I'm not sure winning at a high level is all that important to them or the BOT. At least not like it used to be at MU.

No it's very important. That's why they are giving wojo time to build his program and not knee jerking after every loss.
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2017, 07:28:16 PM »
No it's very important. That's why they are giving wojo time to build his program and not knee jerking after every loss.

There sure have been plenty of those the last 3 years. Attendance keeps waning, and I will bet anything season tickets go down again next year...they better start being concerned.
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2017, 07:29:29 PM »
No it's very important. That's why they are giving wojo time to build his program and not knee jerking after every loss.

Their definition of "high level" is what concerns me...because I'd bet anything it's not what most fans definition of "high level" is.
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2017, 07:34:38 PM »
There sure have been plenty of those the last 3 years. Attendance keeps waning, and I will bet anything season tickets go down again next year...they better start being concerned.

I would bet you are correct.

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2017, 07:40:49 PM »
I would bet you are correct.

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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2017, 07:45:47 PM »
There sure have been plenty of those the last 3 years. Attendance keeps waning, and I will bet anything season tickets go down again next year...they better start being concerned.

But the team has gotten better each year. This is undeniable. Wojo has us trending up. You may not like the pace and I sure wish it was faster, but if you care about winning why would you fire a coach who is improving every year and start all over?
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2017, 07:48:49 PM »
But the team has gotten better each year. This is undeniable. Wojo has us trending up. You may not like the pace and I sure wish it was faster, but if you care about winning why would you fire a coach who is improving every year and start all over?

Because Coaches have done more quicker with less for one thing. And for another, the biggest problem(at least for me) is not so much the fact that it's taking this long to be good again, it's that the program bottomed out in the 1st place. Should have NEVER come to that. I will never ever forgive Larry and Pilarz for the damage they did to this program.
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Re: If we lose out, would it change your perception of Wojo?
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2017, 07:54:12 PM »
Because Coaches have done more quicker with less for one thing. And for another, the biggest problem(at least for me) is not so much the fact that it's taking this long to be good again, it's that the program bottomed out in the 1st place. Should have NEVER come to that. I will never ever forgive Larry and Pilarz for the damage they did to this program.

And yet you seem to hold Wojo responsible for it.    You admit the program bottomed out.    You seem to recognize that the BOT was looking for the anti-Buzz.   They got it.   The BOT felt that some of the off-court stuff (which, IMO, happens all over major college sports) was giving MU a bad name and unwanted publicity.   They are giving Wojo a long leash.   With the BOT's blessing, he is eschewing the quick fix and attempting to build a program with high character players.     I have my doubts, just like you.    But, as I have said before, I can see the roadmap and the building blocks. 
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