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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: DienerTime34 on February 27, 2017, 04:53:59 PM
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If we fall to Xavier, Creighton and are a first-round exit in the Big East tournament, does Wojo still get the automatic 4th year?
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Yes and yes.
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No and yes
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Yes, but it would definitely turn up the heat. That said, I'd still consider this year a grudging success if we landed in the NIT.
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YES
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Wojo isn't going anywhere.
However, if MU loses out, it would be hard to call this season progress.
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If we fall to Xavier, Creighton and are a first-round exit in the Big East tournament, does Wojo still get the automatic 4th year?
Consideration is being given to another contract extension as we speak. Everyone on the BOT thinks Lovell walks on water . As long as Lovell is in the power position he is going to keep his boy in the job. Scholl will carry any water he is told to carry.
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If Marquette's leadership is all set to have him come back next year...and they lose out...and Marquette fires him because of that, the problem lies with Marquette's leadership.
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Consideration is being given to another contract extension as we speak. Everyone on the BOT thinks Lovell walks on water . As long as Lovell is in the power position he is going to keep his boy in the job. Scholl will carry any water he is told to carry.
I think the last thing the administration should be looking at now is a contract extension. While Wojo certainly hasn't done anything fireable, he also hasn't showed anything to indicate he's worth millions more in an extension. His future rests with next year's freshmen. If they can't play 30 minutes a game and hold their own, his seat should be very warm.
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Barring a last place finish next season Wojo is here for at least two more years. I would have a hard time seeing him staying if he can't get us into the NCAAs after 5 years.
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It needs to be strongly suggested to Wojo next year however that he bring in either a veteran X's and o's guy, or a defensive minded guru. I think Wojo thinks he has this all under control, when in reality, he doesn't.
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It needs to be strongly suggested to Wojo next year however that he bring in either a veteran X's and o's guy, or a defensive minded guru. I think Wojo thinks he has this all under control, when in reality, he doesn't.
Marquette isn't going to tell him to make staff changes.
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If Marquette's leadership is all set to have him come back next year...and they lose out...and Marquette fires him because of that, the problem lies with Marquette's leadership.
Eh, coaches are paid to win. If he's not doing that enough, they should drop him. A guy not living up to expectations doesn't need to be held onto any longer just because they think he's a swell guy.
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It needs to be strongly suggested to Wojo next year however that he bring in either a veteran X's and o's guy, or a defensive minded guru. I think Wojo thinks he has this all under control, when in reality, he doesn't.
Every coach has a strong and substantial ego. They could have a plan, and stick to it despite things not going exactly as planned. It's when egnis combined with sensibility that a coach sees failure, faces it, is repulsed by it, and then makes changes,
We will see what we have soon.....
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Eh, coaches are paid to win. If he's not doing that enough, they should drop him. A guy not living up to expectations doesn't need to be held onto any longer just because they think he's a swell guy.
Very true. Wojo is a nice guy, but he's making millions. I think it's acceptable for us to demand more and not accept mediocrity.
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Eh, coaches are paid to win. If he's not doing that enough, they should drop him. A guy not living up to expectations doesn't need to be held onto any longer just because they think he's a swell guy.
I think the problem may be is how concerned is the administration with on court results?? I'm not sure winning at a high level is all that important to them or the BOT. At least not like it used to be at MU.
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4-14
8-10
8-10
Three years with above record. Can't see next year being much improved with loss of Fischer, leaving Heldt as starter and no one proven behind. Yes, Luke has faltered lately, but he was at least a presence at times. Heldt won't be on court for more than 10 minutes without foul issues.
Unless Wojo gets a big PF grad transfer or Froling is better than expected, 8-10 might be a wish.
Fours years of non winning BE record, then year five make or break for Wojo.
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I think the problem may be is how concerned is the administration with on court results?? I'm not sure winning at a high level is all that important to them or the BOT. At least not like it used to be at MU.
No it's very important. That's why they are giving wojo time to build his program and not knee jerking after every loss.
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No it's very important. That's why they are giving wojo time to build his program and not knee jerking after every loss.
There sure have been plenty of those the last 3 years. Attendance keeps waning, and I will bet anything season tickets go down again next year...they better start being concerned.
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No it's very important. That's why they are giving wojo time to build his program and not knee jerking after every loss.
Their definition of "high level" is what concerns me...because I'd bet anything it's not what most fans definition of "high level" is.
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There sure have been plenty of those the last 3 years. Attendance keeps waning, and I will bet anything season tickets go down again next year...they better start being concerned.
I would bet you are correct.
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I would bet you are correct.
::) Trolls are so predictable and boring.
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There sure have been plenty of those the last 3 years. Attendance keeps waning, and I will bet anything season tickets go down again next year...they better start being concerned.
But the team has gotten better each year. This is undeniable. Wojo has us trending up. You may not like the pace and I sure wish it was faster, but if you care about winning why would you fire a coach who is improving every year and start all over?
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But the team has gotten better each year. This is undeniable. Wojo has us trending up. You may not like the pace and I sure wish it was faster, but if you care about winning why would you fire a coach who is improving every year and start all over?
Because Coaches have done more quicker with less for one thing. And for another, the biggest problem(at least for me) is not so much the fact that it's taking this long to be good again, it's that the program bottomed out in the 1st place. Should have NEVER come to that. I will never ever forgive Larry and Pilarz for the damage they did to this program.
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Because Coaches have done more quicker with less for one thing. And for another, the biggest problem(at least for me) is not so much the fact that it's taking this long to be good again, it's that the program bottomed out in the 1st place. Should have NEVER come to that. I will never ever forgive Larry and Pilarz for the damage they did to this program.
And yet you seem to hold Wojo responsible for it. You admit the program bottomed out. You seem to recognize that the BOT was looking for the anti-Buzz. They got it. The BOT felt that some of the off-court stuff (which, IMO, happens all over major college sports) was giving MU a bad name and unwanted publicity. They are giving Wojo a long leash. With the BOT's blessing, he is eschewing the quick fix and attempting to build a program with high character players. I have my doubts, just like you. But, as I have said before, I can see the roadmap and the building blocks.
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::) Trolls are so predictable and boring.
Well that was uncalled for...
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And yet you seem to hold Wojo responsible for it. You admit the program bottomed out. You seem to recognize that the BOT was looking for the anti-Buzz. They got it. The BOT felt that some of the off-court stuff (which, IMO, happens all over major college sports) was giving MU a bad name and unwanted publicity. They are giving Wojo a long leash. With the BOT's blessing, he is eschewing the quick fix and attempting to build a program with high character players. I have my doubts, just like you. But, as I have said before, I can see the roadmap and the building blocks.
That's just it, they are now more concerned about their image than how good the basketball team is. Would they like it to be good?? Probably, but if they aren't, and the kids stay out of trouble and graduate on time, I think they are probably okay with that, and that's what concerns me. It's all about the image. The very same basketball program they thought was giving them a bad name was also the very same basketball program that made enrollments/applications higher than they had ever been, the crowds were some of the best ever, season tickets were higher than they are now. They can't have it both ways.
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Miss NCAAs this year + miss next year = new coach.
If not, they'll lose so many ticket holders in 2019, they'll need to have bake sales to pay rent for the new arena.
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Eh, coaches are paid to win. If he's not doing that enough, they should drop him. A guy not living up to expectations doesn't need to be held onto any longer just because they think he's a swell guy.
You failed to understand my argument. If he is "safe" now, but three games changes it to "fired," that is a leadership issue.
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That's just it, they are now more concerned about their image than how good the basketball team is. Would they like it to be good?? Probably, but if they aren't, and the kids stay out of trouble and graduate on time, I think they are probably okay with that, and that's what concerns me. It's all about the image. The very same basketball program they thought was giving them a bad name was also the very same basketball program that made enrollments/applications higher than they had ever been, the crowds were some of the best ever, season tickets were higher than they are now. They can't have it both ways.
So you don't think you can't put winning basketball teams on the floor and graduate players? Of course they can.
This team is a borderline NCAA team after missing out on the post season last year and finishing with a losing record the year before.
I understand that this progress may not be fast enough for you, but really people need to stop denying its progress.
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They can't have it both ways.
They think they can. Split this week, win one in NYC, make the tourney, and they have what they wanted.
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They think they can. Split this week, win one in NYC, make the tourney, and they have what they wanted.
Understood..but, They won't see it as barely getting in likely only because the bubble is worse then it ever has been. How about having years where when even before the season starts you know they are in(barring something disastrous), and are just playing the year for seeding. Shouldn't that be the minimum standard at MU?? I mean barely getting in the tourney shouldn't be the standard, and certainly just making it shouldn't be enough...sadly i think for this administration I think just making the NCAA's most years will be enough, and if they advance that's just a bonus to them. That shouldn't be good enough for Wojo or the administration.
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Understood..but, They won't see it as barely getting in likely only because the bubble is worse then it ever has been. How about having years where when even before the season starts you know they are in(barring something disastrous), and are just playing the year for seeding. Shouldn't that be the minimum standard at MU?? I mean barely getting in the tourney shouldn't be the standard, and certainly just making it shouldn't be enough...sadly i think for this administration I think just making the NCAA's most years will be enough, and if they advance that's just a bonus to them. That shouldn't be good enough for Wojo or the administration.
Who said that just barely getting in the tournament should be the standard?
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So you don't think you can't put winning basketball teams on the floor and graduate players? Of course they can.
This team is a borderline NCAA team after missing out on the post season last year and finishing with a losing record the year before.
I understand that this progress may not be fast enough for you, but really people need to stop denying its progress.
You can have a winning program, but should a "winning" program really be the standard at MU?? Is that what it's come to?? Are just getting in the NCAA's going to be good enough every year?? If they advance, they advance, if they don't they don't?? That's too freaking small time, and that mentality is BS.
The question has been asked many times before "what would have been the answer to a quick "rebuild". I can tell you the answer...Look what Butler did...they lost 60% of their scoring last year, how did they "rebuild"?? They didn't...they reloaded.
Tyler Lewis-Transfer
Kethan Savage-Transfer
Avery Woodosn-Transfer
This was a team that was projected nowhere near making the NCAA's after last year when they lost what they did to graduation. Did they rebuild?? Nope...they "reloaded" and haven't missed a beat..in fact, they have outperformed expectations by a wide margin this year even. Most people here would have a conniption if MU did that because "it would make the classes unbalanced". I say, who cares, if you keep winning and keep making the tourney. That's a quick fix and then some...so it can be done.
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What would change my mind about Wojo would be either Howard or Hauser transfering. I am expecting one transfer and I can live with that. However, losing either of the above would be it for me.
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But the team has gotten better each year. This is undeniable. Wojo has us trending up. You may not like the pace and I sure wish it was faster, but if you care about winning why would you fire a coach who is improving every year and start all over?
I don't think we lose out and even if we do Wojo is safe.
However, IF we lose out, finish 17-13, 8-10 (vs 20-13, 8-10) with 2 of our conference wins coming against depleted Creighton and Xavier - I don'r see how you can posit that it's "undeniable" we got better this year.
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Not going to answer a question based on a worst-case-scenario, negatively conceived, hypothetical situation.
I see no value in doing so.
And besides, we're going to win one and very possibly both.
Having said that, I realize this kind of silliness is what a fan site is for, so continue to have at it, folks.
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I don't think we lose out and even if we do Wojo is safe.
However, IF we lose out, finish 17-13, 8-10 (vs 20-13, 8-10) with 2 of our conference wins coming against depleted Creighton and Xavier - I don'r see how you can posit that it's "undeniable" we got better this year.
1. Because two games left in the regular season and we are considered in the tournament. Last year we weren't in the same zip code as a bubble team.
2. KenPom (which is the most accurate ranking system IMHO) is over 60 spots better this year.
3. The good old eye test.
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Because Coaches have done more quicker with less for one thing.
Who? I'm honestly curious. I'm not saying that there hasn't been, but I'd be willing to bet that for every one you name, I could name at least two who took longer but were still successful in the long run.
And for another, the biggest problem(at least for me) is not so much the fact that it's taking this long to be good again, it's that the program bottomed out in the 1st place. Should have NEVER come to that. I will never ever forgive Larry and Pilarz for the damage they did to this program.
And how is Wojo responsible for what happened before he got here? I too blame the Williams vs. Williams feud for the bottoming out of the program. But I blame both Williams, not just one of them. Larry might have been heavy handed, but not unreasonable. A good employee makes his concerns known than follows direction once the decision is made. Buzz didn't.
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That's just it, they are now more concerned about their image than how good the basketball team is. Would they like it to be good?? Probably, but if they aren't, and the kids stay out of trouble and graduate on time, I think they are probably okay with that, and that's what concerns me. It's all about the image. The very same basketball program they thought was giving them a bad name was also the very same basketball program that made enrollments/applications higher than they had ever been, the crowds were some of the best ever, season tickets were higher than they are now. They can't have it both ways.
The basketball team winning is part of the university's image. That was equally important. Wojo was hired because he was the coach they thought was most likely to build a winning program while also passing the sniff test (which wasn't as rigorous as some seem to think it was). I'm not convinced they were wrong yet. Look at his competition. Smart was our first choice but he has tanked so far at Texas. Cuonzo is just as bubbly as we are in year three despite having a MUCH better starting point at Cal. Howland did not pass the sniff test and he is struggling at Mississippi State. Would one of them done better if they had ended up at MU? Who knows?
I have yet to be convinced that Wojo was the right choice. But I'm far from being convinced that we was the wrong choice.
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The basketball team winning is part of the university's image. That was equally important. Wojo was hired because he was the coach they thought was most likely to build a winning program while also passing the sniff test (which wasn't as rigorous as some seem to think it was). I'm not convinced they were wrong yet. Look at his competition. Smart was our first choice but he has tanked so far at Texas. Cuonzo is just as bubbly as we are in year three despite having a MUCH better starting point at Cal. Howland did not pass the sniff test and he is struggling at Mississippi State. Would one of them done better if they had ended up at MU? Who knows?
I have yet to be convinced that Wojo was the right choice. But I'm far from being convinced that we was the wrong choice.
Buzz has done well.
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1. Because two games left in the regular season and we are considered in the tournament. Last year we weren't in the same zip code as a bubble team.
2. KenPom (which is the most accurate ranking system IMHO) is over 60 spots better this year.
3. The good old eye test.
#3 is silly.
#1 = Sorry, but in the end only your final record matters
#2 I see some validity here but not enough to call any improvement "undeniable"
Of course if we beat Xavier, Creighton or both it's all moot.
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#3 is silly.
#1 = Sorry, but in the end only your final record matters
#2 I see some validity here but not enough to call any improvement "undeniable"
Of course if we beat Xavier, Creighton or both it's all moot.
You can call it silly if you want, its certainly the least scientific of the three but I feel confident saying that this year's MU team would be last year's MU team 8 out of 10 times.
Final record? Even if we lose out, we will still be in the bubble conversation. Again, last year's team was nowhere near the conversation. To me, that is the most clear sign of improving.
If we were like 10-20 spots higher in KP, I might agree. But 60+ is pretty undeniable improvement.
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Buzz has done well.
Was Buzz a candidate to replace himself?
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You can call it silly if you want, its certainly the least scientific of the three but I feel confident saying that this year's MU team would be last year's MU team 8 out of 10 times.
Really? There's one team in our conference I think we would maybe beat 8 of 10 times - DePaul.
9th place Georgetown? No way.
I agree we were pretty bad last year, but not that bad.
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Consideration is being given to another contract extension as we speak. Everyone on the BOT thinks Lovell walks on water . As long as Lovell is in the power position he is going to keep his boy in the job. Scholl will carry any water he is told to carry.
Interesting. I have heard that is not the case at all.
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I think the problem may be is how concerned is the administration with on court results?? I'm not sure winning at a high level is all that important to them or the BOT. At least not like it used to be at MU.
If their not concerned with winnjng why are they spending millions
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We could have "nice guys" and mediocrity for a lot less money. There's been some progress this year, but about as incremental as it could be. Don't kid yourselves, MUBB is a business and a brand, and right now it's barely performing.
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That said, still time to end the season on a strong note. Here's to hoping.
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Before the season started many here were claiming that the Big East was much stronger this year. Are we not better, if we finish 8-10 again in a stronger conference? Certianly, perceived conference strength took a hit when Creighton & Xavier lost their point guards, but nobody here thought Butler and Providence would be as good as they are.
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Miss NCAAs this year + miss next year = new coach.
If not, they'll lose so many ticket holders in 2019, they'll need to have bake sales to pay rent for the new arena.
This is the correct response.
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Miss NCAAs this year + miss next year = new coach.
If not, they'll lose so many ticket holders in 2019, they'll need to have bake sales to pay rent for the new arena.
You can say this but it's not true. Wojo has a minimum of two years after this one barring off the court issues or a last place finish next season.
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If their not concerned with winnjng why are they spending millions
People really need to stop bringing up the money spent. It is a poor metric inconsistently applied across schools. Jaybee is right on this one.
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Really? There's one team in our conference I think we would maybe beat 8 of 10 times - DePaul.
9th place Georgetown? No way.
I agree we were pretty bad last year, but not that bad.
But this team is also built for more sustained success IMO. Its best player isn't a one and done, but there is a solid base for the future.
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You can say this but it's not true. Wojo has a minimum of two years after this one barring off the court issues or a last place finish next season.
Giving him only four seasons is what should happen. You are probably right about what will.
As I suggested, that 5th season will be very quiet and MU will have severely damaged their future revenues.
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In 2018-2019 MU will see a nice bump in attendance due to the new arena. Many Wisconsinites will be curious and MU's ticket price is significantly lower than the Bucks.
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Giving him only four seasons is what should happen. You are probably right about what will.
As I suggested, that 5th season will be very quiet and MU will have severely damaged their future revenues.
I think the new arena will help mitigate upset fans. Especially if a high ranked recruiting class is coming in which seems to be likely for the class of 2018.
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But this team is also built for more sustained success IMO. Its best player isn't a one and done, but there is a solid base for the future.
Agree. Markus will get better handling the ball. He'll also get stronger and more consistent. Don't know if it's possible to improve his shooting, though.
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I think the new arena will help mitigate upset fans. Especially if a high ranked recruiting class is coming in which seems to be likely for the class of 2018.
I think you're right about the 18 class, especially if we can land Joey. But let's hope by then we're more excited about the product on the floor than the shiny new arena.
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I want to win now and want the program to win big ASAP. That said, replacing Wojo at this point would not solve a thing, IMO. Good or bad, he is the gal we brought to the dance and he/they need to find a way to move things forward at a quicker pace.
Not to bring up the SLU reference, but there are many here that feel BOT/admin are not dissatisfied with current state/trajectory of the program. If that is true, Wojo might have a lot more time than one or two years.
Would add, that I am quite certain that not all BOT are excited about the on court performance. It is difficult for the minority to face much concern because Wojo has run a very clean program, maybe the cleanest ever.
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In 2018-2019 MU will see a nice bump in attendance due to the new arena. Many Wisconsinites will be curious and MU's ticket price is significantly lower than the Bucks.
No doubt, single game tickets will get a bump. Season tickets are where they make the dough .. and donations.
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Would add, that I am quite certain that not all BOT are excited about the on court performance. It is difficult for the minority to face much concern because Wojo has run a very clean program, maybe the cleanest ever.
Don't you think the higher-ups get worried when so many guys leave the team? Especially losing Traci after the season had already started? I'm sure they know more about the details than we ever will, but seeing guys leave the program feels like there are some things going on behind the scenes that aren't so pretty.
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Don't you think the higher-ups get worried when so many guys leave the team? Especially losing Traci after the season had already started? I'm sure they know more about the details than we ever will, but seeing guys leave the program feels like there are some things going on behind the scenes that aren't so pretty.
No, because the transfer rate at MU isn't higher than any other major D1 program. It happens everywhere.
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Don't you think the higher-ups get worried when so many guys leave the team? Especially losing Traci after the season had already started? I'm sure they know more about the details than we ever will, but seeing guys leave the program feels like there are some things going on behind the scenes that aren't so pretty.
Players have been 'leaving the team' since the early days under Crean. Only a few have ever gone on to great things elsewhere. Transfers are now part of the college basketball landscape. IIRC, the last stats on it showed that 40% of college basketball players transfer. It only feels worse at MU because the big state school down the road has so few.
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Players have been 'leaving the team' since the early days under Crean. Only a few have ever gone on to great things elsewhere. Transfers are now part of the college basketball landscape. IIRC, the last stats on it showed that 40% of college basketball players transfer. It only feels worse at MU because the big state school down the road has so few.
I never would have guessed 40%. That seems like a ton of turnover. I guess I just always worry there's something going on behind the scenes that could become a bigger issue when I see a kid leave.
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Miss NCAAs this year + miss next year = new coach.
If not, they'll lose so many ticket holders in 2019, they'll need to have bake sales to pay rent for the new arena.
Sponsored by Grebe's?
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Would add, that I am quite certain that not all BOT are excited about the on court performance. It is difficult for the minority to face much concern because Wojo has run a very clean program, maybe the cleanest ever.
This is why I want to give him a long leash. Let him build a program that we can at least be proud of off the court for the first time in a long while. I would rather sit through 6-8 years of no post season if we get there eventually and can be proud of the product off the court. I couldn't stand being happy that we won but be pissed when someone like Vander Blue hits a game winner. I honestly hoped he would miss those shots he had his last year. Everyone knows the dude got away with assaults both physical and sexual. Could not cheer for him and was so glad he jumped ship.
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This is why I want to give him a long leash. Let him build a program that we can at least be proud of off the court for the first time in a long while. I would rather sit through 6-8 years of no post season if we get there eventually and can be proud of the product off the court. I couldn't stand being happy that we won but be pissed when someone like Vander Blue hits a game winner. I honestly hoped he would miss those shots he had his last year. Everyone knows the dude got away with assaults both physical and sexual. Could not cheer for him and was so glad he jumped ship.
The physical assault was bad but fairly minor in the grand scheme of things. I don't think you have the facts right on the sexual assault.
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I think the problem may be is how concerned is the administration with on court results?? I'm not sure winning at a high level is all that important to them or the BOT. At least not like it used to be at MU.
I can assure you that it is an extremely high priority. But it is not the only priority. By that I mean the responsible 'student athlete' discussion we've had many times on this board.
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This is why I want to give him a long leash. Let him build a program that we can at least be proud of off the court for the first time in a long while. I would rather sit through 6-8 years of no post season if we get there eventually and can be proud of the product off the court. I couldn't stand being happy that we won but be pissed when someone like Vander Blue hits a game winner. I honestly hoped he would miss those shots he had his last year. Everyone knows the dude got away with assaults both physical and sexual. Could not cheer for him and was so glad he jumped ship.
Vander was not involved in the sexual assault issues.
But yeah, he punched a guy for calling him "Vander Orange." He was given a municipal citation and paid a fine. Like dozens of other Marquette students a year.
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This is why I want to give him a long leash. Let him build a program that we can at least be proud of off the court for the first time in a long while. I would rather sit through 6-8 years of no post season if we get there eventually and can be proud of the product off the court. I couldn't stand being happy that we won but be pissed when someone like Vander Blue hits a game winner. I honestly hoped he would miss those shots he had his last year. Everyone knows the dude got away with assaults both physical and sexual. Could not cheer for him and was so glad he jumped ship.
Wrong dude. Vander got in a fight and was punished for it.
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I would rather sit through 6-8 years of no post season if we get there eventually and can be proud of the product off the court. I couldn't stand being happy that we won but be pissed when someone like Vander Blue hits a game winner. I honestly hoped he would miss those shots he had his last year. Everyone knows the dude got away with assaults both physical and sexual. Could not cheer for him and was so glad he jumped ship.
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This is why I want to give him a long leash. Let him build a program that we can at least be proud of off the court for the first time in a long while. I would rather sit through 6-8 years of no post season if we get there eventually and can be proud of the product off the court. I couldn't stand being happy that we won but be pissed when someone like Vander Blue hits a game winner. I honestly hoped he would miss those shots he had his last year. Everyone knows the dude got away with assaults both physical and sexual. Could not cheer for him and was so glad he jumped ship.
I'll be the fifth guy to tell you that Vander wasn't involved in the sexual assault.
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When a basketball player punches a student he's a thug, front page news and a reason to stop cheering
When a student punches a student he's Southside Irish, and a reason to do shots.
Dude punched a kid, in college. BFD.
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When a basketball player punches a student he's a thug, front page news and a reason to stop cheering
When a student punches a student he's Southside Irish, and a reason to do shots.
Dude punched a kid, in college. BFD.
But this is where double standards really shine!
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When a basketball player punches a student he's a thug, front page news and a reason to stop cheering
When a student punches a student he's Southside Irish, and a reason to do shots.
Dude punched a kid, in college. BFD.
Well said. Marquette has largely done quite well to avoid major off-court incidents as happen frequently at other high major football/basketball schools. 18-22 year old men make a lot of bad decisions in college, whether athlete or just a student.
The sexual assault issues of a few years ago, were of course, very bad P.R. for the university. Would be very curious to learn who was involved if someone would PM me?
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Sponsored by Grebe's?
Ah, Grebe's. 10 cents per roll and 10 cents per slice of ham. Dinner for 60 cents. Those were the days.
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Consideration is being given to another contract extension as we speak. Everyone on the BOT thinks Lovell walks on water . As long as Lovell is in the power position he is going to keep his boy in the job. Scholl will carry any water he is told to carry.
So, fire Lovell LOL
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So, fire Lovell LOL
From your mouth to Gods ear.
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It needs to be strongly suggested to Wojo next year however that he bring in either a veteran X's and o's guy, or a defensive minded guru. I think Wojo thinks he has this all under control, when in reality, he doesn't.
He has acknowledged defense is not where it should be and has said that is on him
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From your mouth to Gods ear.
You really enjoy making Scoop Takes, don't you?
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Giving him only four seasons is what should happen. You are probably right about what will.
As I suggested, that 5th season will be very quiet and MU will have severely damaged their future revenues.
What if, in that 5th year, with the Warriors playing in a new building and with a mature, talented team, Wojo leads us to the Elite 8 or better?
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Eh, coaches are paid to win. If he's not doing that enough, they should drop him. A guy not living up to expectations doesn't need to be held onto any longer just because they think he's a swell guy.
But what if according to the long term plan he presented he is on schedule thus meeting expectations
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When a basketball player punches a student he's a thug, front page news and a reason to stop cheering
When a student punches a student he's Southside Irish, and a reason to do shots.
Dude punched a kid, in college. BFD.
Yep
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Weighing in, stick with Wojo. Seen enough good on court that I'm optimistic going forward so that a poor finish to this year no matta. Helps that they are playing an exciting style of basketball. I am also giving him credit for a positive off court product. Finally, transfers no matta also.
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Wojo contract extension will be announced after season over. Lovell and Scholl worked out deal to make sure he can tell every recruit he will be there for the duration. BOT 100 percent on board with the deal.
Best we can hope for is NC State steps up to the plate and offers him a chance to get back into the ACC. I think he takes that in a heart beat.
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Wojo contract extension will be announced after season over. Lovell and Scholl worked out deal to make sure he can tell every recruit he will be there for the duration. BOT 100 percent on board with the deal.
Best we can hope for is NC State steps up to the plate and offers him a chance to get back into the ACC. I think he takes that in a heart beat.
Or ... the best many true MU fans can hope for is that we finish this season strong, gain an NCAA bid, win a tourney game or three, win 25-plus next season, have a great tourney run, Wojo keeps recruiting great and keeps improving as a game coach, and we're damn glad our successful coach has a contract extension.
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Wojo contract extension will be announced after season over. Lovell and Scholl worked out deal to make sure he can tell every recruit he will be there for the duration. BOT 100 percent on board with the deal.
Best we can hope for is NC State steps up to the plate and offers him a chance to get back into the ACC. I think he takes that in a heart beat.
Lol
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I never would have guessed 40%. That seems like a ton of turnover. I guess I just always worry there's something going on behind the scenes that could become a bigger issue when I see a kid leave.
Everyone wants playing time most think they can make nba. There are so many leagues for kids and there are "stars" in all of them. Then they come to next level and don't get even half playing time they used to and decide to go somewhere else.
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Wojo contract extension will be announced after season over. Lovell and Scholl worked out deal to make sure he can tell every recruit he will be there for the duration. BOT 100 percent on board with the deal.
Best we can hope for is NC State steps up to the plate and offers him a chance to get back into the ACC. I think he takes that in a heart beat.
They won't offer and he wouldn't take it.
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Wojo contract extension will be announced after season over. Lovell and Scholl worked out deal to make sure he can tell every recruit he will be there for the duration. BOT 100 percent on board with the deal.
Best we can hope for is NC State steps up to the plate and offers him a chance to get back into the ACC. I think he takes that in a heart beat.
Come on.....
You really want him gone and the very real chance that Markus and Sam leave too (and Joey no longer considers us)?
Excellent logic.
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Wojo contract extension will be announced after season over. Lovell and Scholl worked out deal to make sure he can tell every recruit he will be there for the duration. BOT 100 percent on board with the deal.
Best we can hope for is NC State steps up to the plate and offers him a chance to get back into the ACC. I think he takes that in a heart beat.
Care to make a wager on either of these proclamations?
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Come on.....
You really want him gone and the very real chance that Markus and Sam leave too (and Joey no longer considers us)?
Excellent logic.
You haven't heard? Stan Johnson is the man. We would be in the top 25 right now if only Wojo would take the shackles off Stan and allow him to coach with no limitations.
To be honest, I do think Stan is the man. But I am far from convinced that he can coach. At least any better than Wojo can.
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What if, in that 5th year, with the Warriors playing in a new building and with a mature, talented team, Wojo leads us to the Elite 8 or better?
That would be fantastic. I would super enjoy watching that on TV with my MU flag outside the house, with occasional scalped tickets to watch in person.
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Or ... the best many true MU fans can hope for is that we finish this season strong, gain an NCAA bid, win a tourney game or three, win 25-plus next season, have a great tourney run, Wojo keeps recruiting great and keeps improving as a game coach, and we're damn glad our successful coach has a contract extension.
No sh**.
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They won't offer and he wouldn't take it.
I agree with this analysis.
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Lenny
I agree. I thought guys were joking talking about that as a possibility. If he could parlay this into ACC job he is in the wrong racket. He'd prove to be the greatest closer ever and should go help Trump with trade deals.
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You haven't heard? Stan Johnson is the man. We would be in the top 25 right now if only Wojo would take the shackles off Stan and allow him to coach with no limitations.
To be honest, I do think Stan is the man. But I am far from convinced that he can coach. At least any better than Wojo can.
He is a good recruiter, but I am not aware of any university recruiting him to head coach. Being able to recruit does not mean you can coach.
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He is a good recruiter, but I am not aware of any university recruiting him to head coach. Being able to recruit does not mean you can coach.
I'm not the one you need to convince.
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I'm not the one you need to convince.
He didn't understand your post
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That would be fantastic. I would super enjoy watching that on TV with my MU flag outside the house, with occasional scalped tickets to watch in person.
See, but that's the problem with so many of these topics. They don't even allow for the possibility of what I stated happening. It's as if it's wildly unrealistic that Wojo's recruits will excel and that he will continue to improve as a coach.
I, for one, have been quite pleased with the program's trajectory. Could we have done better? Sure. But ask Texas right now how their savior (and our near-savior) has been doing.
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I'll be the fifth guy to tell you that Vander wasn't involved in the sexual assault.
I have a reliable source that worked for the Tribune when this happened and said that the DPS reporter was basically told as much by DPS and was also told to not pursue it.
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I have a reliable source that worked for the Tribune when this happened and said that the DPS reporter was basically told as much by DPS and was also told to not pursue it.
I have a reliable source that informs me that when a new user ID enters a forum with accusations that the new user does not have a reliable source.
*this in no way says there was no sexual assault in the program. it's well documented here that that situation was both horrible and poorly handled by MU. just that you don't have a source.*
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Come on.....
You really want him gone and the very real chance that Markus and Sam leave too (and Joey no longer considers us)?
Excellent logic.
When is everyone going to learn that the dude is just doing bits?
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I have a reliable source that informs me that when a new user ID enters a forum with accusations that the new user does not have a reliable source.
*this in no way says there was no sexual assault in the program. it's well documented here that that situation was both horrible and poorly handled by MU. just that you don't have a source.*
To his credit, he's been a member since 2014 but hasn't posted much. Not saying he's any more reliable than the other 5 people saying something similar, but he didn't just create his account to post that.
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To his credit, he's been a member since 2014 but hasn't posted much. Not saying he's any more reliable than the other 5 people saying something similar, but he didn't just create his account to post that.
Fair/thanks for pointing that out. i only looked at total number of posts and made an assumption
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Fair/thanks for pointing that out. i only looked at total number of posts and made an assumption
Also, I realize this isn't verifiable without logging into my own account - but I had one back when I was a freshman in 2008 but switched in 2014 when I became an employee of the university (which was actually 2013, but I didn't go on Scoop til 2014). I switched accounts because the other made me easily identifiable.
I also know this source to be absolutely reliable. I realize that may not mean anything to anyone else here, but for what it's worth, I never cheered for Vander or other players in situations like him. I do the same with any team I root for, not just MU. Athletes should be held to higher standards since they are in the public eye, not lower ones.
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I want to win now and want the program to win big ASAP. That said, replacing Wojo at this point would not solve a thing, IMO. Good or bad, he is the gal we brought to the dance and he/they need to find a way to move things forward at a quicker pace.
Not to bring up the SLU reference, but there are many here that feel BOT/admin are not dissatisfied with current state/trajectory of the program. If that is true, Wojo might have a lot more time than one or two years.
Would add, that I am quite certain that not all BOT are excited about the on court performance. It is difficult for the minority to face much concern because Wojo has run a very clean program, maybe the cleanest ever.
Why should they be dissatisfied? We cleaned up some issues with the previous coach, the trajectory is if we win today we are back in the NCAA tournament. The SLU reference is horribly wrong, and this program is doing well without the off court drama. The BOT should be ecstatic. It's his third damn year. Get behind this program!
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Also, I realize this isn't verifiable without logging into my own account - but I had one back when I was a freshman in 2008 but switched in 2014 when I became an employee of the university (which was actually 2013, but I didn't go on Scoop til 2014). I switched accounts because the other made me easily identifiable.
I also know this source to be absolutely reliable. I realize that may not mean anything to anyone else here, but for what it's worth, I never cheered for Vander or other players in situations like him. I do the same with any team I root for, not just MU. Athletes should be held to higher standards since they are in the public eye, not lower ones.
If you are really an employee of the university, I would be careful. While you are only referring information you heard secondhand, it is information that would be considered part of a student's educational record. If there was any truth to the situation, you would be flirting with a FERPA violation.
Fortunately, your source is mistaken. So instead its just libel ;D
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I have a reliable source that worked for the Tribune when this happened and said that the DPS reporter was basically told as much by DPS and was also told to not pursue it.
Your source sucks. He wasn't involved.
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Also, I realize this isn't verifiable without logging into my own account - but I had one back when I was a freshman in 2008 but switched in 2014 when I became an employee of the university (which was actually 2013, but I didn't go on Scoop til 2014). I switched accounts because the other made me easily identifiable.
I also know this source to be absolutely reliable. I realize that may not mean anything to anyone else here, but for what it's worth, I never cheered for Vander or other players in situations like him. I do the same with any team I root for, not just MU. Athletes should be held to higher standards since they are in the public eye, not lower ones.
Your source was wrong. He wasn't involved.
But you are right about one thing. I don't give a flying f*ck who you cheer for. I think its funny that you refused to cheer for him because you were mislead by your "source."
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In hindsight, I really should have made a response thread. "If we win out, would it change your perception of Wojo?"
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In hindsight, I really should have made a response thread. "If we win out, would it change your perception of Wojo?"
Yes, this end of year run has totally changed my perception. Knew we had enough talent and Wojo pulled it together. I'm very happy!
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In hindsight, I really should have made a response thread. "If we win out, would it change your perception of Wojo?"
That's kind of what I said earlier. It never even dawned on some of these yahois that we actually could do well down the stretch. It's just bash and whine ... and then disappear when they can't rant about Wojo.