Xavier better not eff this one up...

[mu03eng]

As I said, one minor violation in isolation isn't a problem.  A second violation for a similar offense within months of the first is a bigger problem.  The first violation brings with it internal education, which makes the second more serious.

The first time, someone can get away with "I didn't understand the rules."  The second time, that excuse doesn't wash.

It may not have resulted in a direct NCAA penalty, but would be another piece of evidence supporting lack of institutional control.

I could see your point if the punishment was for an accidental, one-off violation of a confusing or difficult-to-understand NCAA rule.

But there is no lack of clarity with respect to the rule that Monarch violated. Or MU's expectations around it.

This was knowing disregard for a well known and extremely clear NCAA rule that occurred within months of a similar incident, and knowing that the employer made it clear that they had no tolerance for additional such violations.

I'd site this very post as evidence that you don't understand the NCAA enforcement mechanism nor how university administration and/or athletic departments work. The number of minor violations that occur at any given school in a given year is pretty significant. Hell, I personally witnessed at least 3 my freshmen year of school at MU in a non-revenue sport

Let me preface this with two things: 1. I'm not making excuses for actions or behaviors, I acknowledge they should not have happened and there should be consequences of some sort for the issues. 2. I am not a win at all costs guy by any means, I place a lot of value on running a clean program (clean's a relative term I guess)

Nothing that occurred under Buzz William's watch at any time, even in combination, put MU or it's athletic programs at risk. Worst case scenario was that there was a lot of talk and potential bad PR coming MU's way given the environment outside of MU during the time these things were going on (Penn State, Syracuse, Virginia frat story, etc). It was an environment ripe for witch hunting and fear mongering if you didn't have steady leadership, but there was no actual danger to the program from anything other than our own fears. The BoT reacted to that fear and made a poor choice in president and then helped that president make a poor choice in AD.

Both LW and SP were people who had one tool in the tool belt of leadership and handling difficult situations. They had a hammer and as a consequence all they saw were nails. This further poisoned the well making the LW, SP, BW team untenable. The BoT finally realized they over corrected on their course...tried to salvage it, but realized quickly that nothing could be saved and decided to build a whole new boat and try again. The BoT f$5ked up in the first place, but to their credit they at least realized how bad they screwed up and have seemingly made the right moves the last couple of years to get things back to a good place.

Side note, there was a power struggle within the BoT at the same time the BW stuff was going on, so that didn't help any either. Just goes to show you that adults can be just as bad as kids only with more significant consequences.

Lastly, BW could have done a better job of controlling and managing the situations, so he definitely has blame here....but at worst it was a teachable moment.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Nothing that occurred under Buzz William's watch at any time, even in combination, put MU or it's athletic programs at risk.

This is wrong. Title IX investigations can and do put the university at risk. All the other crap is small time and just noise, you are right about that. But screwing up any sexual assault report is bad. Screwing up multiple times at multiple levels on a sexual assault report involving high profile athletes is very very bad. Buzz wasn't the main screw up with that situation however. He did screw up but his role in it was fairly minor compared to others.

As others have said, this was an episodic issue, not a systematic one. But don't try to minimize how bad this one episode was. The level of reaction from the administration was justified, but they attacked it as if it was systematic and not episodic which was the issue.

[mu03eng]

This is wrong. Title IX investigations can and do put the university at risk. All the other crap is small time and just noise, you are right about that. But screwing up any sexual assault report is bad. Screwing up multiple times at multiple levels on a sexual assault report involving high profile athletes is very very bad. Buzz wasn't the main screw up with that situation however. He did screw up but his role in it was fairly minor compared to others.

As others have said, this was an episodic issue, not a systematic one. But don't try to minimize how bad this one episode was. The level of reaction from the administration was justified, but they attacked it as if it was systematic and not episodic which was the issue.

I don't deny that a title IX investigation is detrimental, but that was driven by national optics more than any issues actually inherent at MU. Yes, MU had a lot to clean up (that should have been taken care of before in happened) but it is highly unlikely that MU would have been hammered on for it. The BoT panicked and the rest is history.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I don't deny that a title IX investigation is detrimental, but that was driven by national optics more than any issues actually inherent at MU. Yes, MU had a lot to clean up (that should have been taken care of before in happened) but it is highly unlikely that MU would have been hammered on for it. The BoT panicked and the rest is history.

Are you sure Marquette didn't get hammered for it?

[mu03eng]

Are you sure Marquette didn't get hammered for it?

For the incident that involved the athlete...to my knowledge, no they weren't hammered for it. However there are unrelated (read non-athlete) related investigations going on right now in that realm that may or may not result in punishment.

One of the reasons, if not the main reason, Marquette public safety is now the Marquette police department is because of title IX concerns.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Simple....drop drip drip drip...page 3, page 2, front page, front page, front page, evening news, etc.  volume didn't help.

If the actions didn't take place so fast and I each other's heels, the reactions would have been small. 

[The Equalizer]

I'd site this very post as evidence that you don't understand the NCAA enforcement mechanism nor how university administration and/or athletic departments work. The number of minor violations that occur at any given school in a given year is pretty significant. Hell, I personally witnessed at least 3 my freshmen year of school at MU in a non-revenue sport

How many resulted in a minimum 3-game suspension for an athlete?
And how many were repeated by the same sport inside the same academic year?

Lastly, BW could have done a better job of controlling and managing the situations, so he definitely has blame here....but at worst it was a teachable moment.

So the fair question here . . . what do you expect as result of a teachable moment?  Anderson is suspended for three games.  There was your teachable moment.

[keefe]

Once again the Big East goes into the second weekend with just one horse in the race. If we are to make a name for ourselves it has to come during March. All the rest is mental masturbation.

[BrewCity83]

I can sum this up in two words:  Xavier Bluiett.

[Groin_pull]

Once again the Big East goes into the second weekend with just one horse in the race. If we are to make a name for ourselves it has to come during March. All the rest is mental masturbation.

True dat. The Big East can whine all it wants about being disrespected, but it needs to step up during the tourney. You earn respect...and multiple teams in the Sweet 16 will help get it done.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I can sum this up in two words:  Xavier Bluiett.

Ha

[keefe]

I can sum this up in two words:  Xavier Bluiett.

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