Xavier better not eff this one up...

[mu03eng]

Actually, you are quite correct. But remember that Boston is a collection of villages as opposed to a city.

Wisconsin has a more homogeneous northern European gestalt that makes it more insular.

People in Boston know of the larger world - they just feel superior to it.

Wisconsonians are far less aware of what lies beyond their borders and are therefore blissfully ignorant.

The difference while subtle is profound as it frames the respective weltanschauungs.   

Gesundheit

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

NVM

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Keefe, spot on. Wisconsinites are in their own little world. I haven't been back to the state or campus once since I graduated almost 4 months ago now.

[GGGG]

A sexual assault is quite a lot more than a speeding ticket.

Some of the other crap CBB is complaining about, I don't really care about and honestly don't think the administration cared that much about either. But the sexual assault case was mishandled repeatedly. UPD messed up, Buzz messed up, Cottingham messed up, the administration messed up. Everyone had the best of intentions but how that report was handled landed Marquette in hot water with the Department of Education for Title IX violations.  This was not a small matter. The administration did not overreact. I think the reaction wasn't the most strategic or graceful in some cases but the level of reaction was justified given the severity of the situation.

It was an institutional breakdown as you mentioned.  Yet Buzz and his boss were put on the hook for it.  His boss perhaps rightfully so because their Title IX procedures were largely written when he was Counsel.  But the leash they put Buzz on after that was largely unnecessary, including the zero-tolerance policy that cost Monarch his job over what was basically a secondary recruiting violation. 

Don't get me wrong, Buzz should have been disciplined.  But there were much better ways of handling that then MU did at the time.

[4everwarriors]

Instead of y'all bein' pissed off why don't ya give UW props for havin' the ability to pull this game out? Furthermore, da team we support has a long fookin' way back to even sniff playin' on da second weekend. Wojo has gotta roll his sleeves all da way up and start by recruitin' better playas. One problem is he no longer has playin' time to sell, hey?

[Coleman]

Keefe, spot on. Wisconsinites are in their own little world. I haven't been back to the state or campus once since I graduated almost 4 months ago now.

Get your @$$ to a game

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Instead of y'all bein' pissed off why don't ya give UW props for havin' the ability to pull this game out? Furthermore, da team we support has a long fookin' way back to even sniff playin' on da second weekend. Wojo has gotta roll his sleeves all da way up and start by recruitin' better playas. One problem is he no longer has playin' time to sell, hey?

The internet rage has to be channeled somewhere....apparently we're not allowed to be mad at Wojo until 2019 and the former administration exorcised the devil two years ago.

[mu03eng]

Keefe, spot on. Wisconsinites are in their own little world. I haven't been back to the state or campus once since I graduated almost 4 months ago now.

Is this an intentionally ironic statement or an accidentally ironic one?

[GGGG]

Keefe, spot on. Wisconsinites are in their own little world. I haven't been back to the state or campus once since I graduated almost 4 months ago now.

FOUR WHOLE MONTHS!!!???!!!!

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Get your @$$ to a game

I had season tickets too, my thought process was either I had work and was too busy, or I really didn't want to take a 3 hour round trip drive to see them lose. Don't worry though, all tickets were given away.

And intentionally ironic Eng. I could go into more detail of why I don't go and visit but it's not essential to the story.

[The Equalizer]

It was an institutional breakdown as you mentioned.  Yet Buzz and his boss were put on the hook for it.  His boss perhaps rightfully so because their Title IX procedures were largely written when he was Counsel.  But the leash they put Buzz on after that was largely unnecessary, including the zero-tolerance policy that cost Monarch his job over what was basically a secondary recruiting violation. 

Don't get me wrong, Buzz should have been disciplined.  But there were much better ways of handling that then MU did at the time.

I think you're forgetting three things

1. The issue with Monarch happened inside a year of a similar violation by Juan Anderson.

2. Even if the issue was minor, the fact that it was one of multiple minor violations over a short window (Anderson, the title IX issues) raises the possibility of MU being hit with a "lack of institutional control" accusation.

3. Monarch lied to the MU compliance staff about it.

This was a bit more than a "zero-tolerance staff throwing the book at an innocent mistake" as  you imply here.

[GGGG]

1. Not really relevant. Institutions commit secondary violations that are reported regularly. They weren't on a zero tolerance policy because Juan took baseball players from a boosters kid.

2. Title IX has nothing to do with NCAA violations. Would not have been a factor.

3. You are correct. But he lied because there was a zero tolerance policy in effect. Well run organizations rarely implement such policies. They actually allow adults to make decisions using their judgement.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I think you're forgetting three things

1. The issue with Monarch happened inside a year of a similar violation by Juan Anderson.

2. Even if the issue was minor, the fact that it was one of multiple minor violations over a short window (Anderson, the title IX issues) raises the possibility of MU being hit with a "lack of institutional control" accusation.

3. Monarch lied to the MU compliance staff about it.

This was a bit more than a "zero-tolerance staff throwing the book at an innocent mistake" as  you imply here.

People keep talking about how bad it was.  If it was so bad you have two options...1. get agreement on how things will be run or 2. fire the individual.

The former administration decided deal with it passive aggressively....

[GGGG]

People keep talking about how bad it was.  If it was so bad you have two options...1. get agreement on how things will be run or 2. fire the individual.

The former administration decided deal with it passive aggressively....

Well stated. Very well stated.

[tower912]

Minor violations and allegations of 18-22 year olds behaving badly occur at institutions of higher learning all of the time.    Buzz made mistakes.  Stipulated.  MU managed to (1) screw up on all levels allegations of sexual abuse.  (2)  Implement a silly zero tolerance policy (3) manage to get an assistant coach fired (shouldn't have lied, stipulated), (4) get an assistant AD fired, (5) bring in an overmatched president (6) who in turn brought in an AD with directions to clean up an episodic, not systemic issue who managed to piss off everybody, leading to (7) a new president, (8) a new AD, (9) a new coach, all leading to the angst most have for the program today. 

[Groin_pull]

Actually, you are quite correct. But remember that Boston is a collection of villages as opposed to a city.

Wisconsin has a more homogeneous northern European gestalt that makes it more insular.

People in Boston know of the larger world - they just feel superior to it.

Wisconsonians are far less aware of what lies beyond their borders and are therefore blissfully ignorant.

The difference while subtle is profound as it frames the respective weltanschauungs.   

Amen. Wisconsinites actually take pride in never venturing to other states or...gasp...other countries. So isolated and ignorant.

[GGGG]

Amen. Wisconsinites actually take pride in never venturing to other states or...gasp...other countries. So isolated and ignorant.

Irony.

[rocket surgeon]

Amen. Wisconsinites actually take pride in never venturing to other states or...gasp...other countries. So isolated and ignorant.

Honestly, was that supposed to be teal?  Because it really couldn't t be further from the truth, at least not in most people I have interacted with. Hell, many of the people here can't wait to get the fook out of here from November to April AND upon retirement for tax-hell purposes.  Also, many many do look forward to traveling to where their parents and grandparents came from

[Groin_pull]

Honestly, was that supposed to be teal?  Because it really couldn't t be further from the truth, at least not in most people I have interacted with. Hell, many of the people here can't wait to get the fook out of here from November to April AND upon retirement for tax-hell purposes.  Also, many many do look forward to traveling to where their parents and grandparents came from

No. Based on my interactions over the years.

[rocket surgeon]

No. Based on my interactions over the years.

Just checking. But having spent 53 of my 55 years here,  Wisconsin is still known for being a tax-hell and if one is able, they are moving to Tennessee, Texas, Arkansas, Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, Idaho, Montana, Alaska(yup, that Alaska). Two reasons-TAXES, and weather

[WarriorPride68]

Not only eff the Wisconsin Badgers, but eff the entire state Scoop is never dull

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Minor violations and allegations of 18-22 year olds behaving badly occur at institutions of higher learning all of the time.    Buzz made mistakes.  Stipulated.  MU managed to (1) screw up on all levels allegations of sexual abuse.  (2)  Implement a silly zero tolerance policy (3) manage to get an assistant coach fired (shouldn't have lied, stipulated), (4) get an assistant AD fired, (5) bring in an overmatched president (6) who in turn brought in an AD with directions to clean up an episodic, not systemic issue who managed to piss off everybody, leading to (7) a new president, (8) a new AD, (9) a new coach, all leading to the angst most have for the program today.

goddammit, that is succinct.

[keefe]

goddammit, that is succinct.

Yea, but he forgot to mention the sweat stained hat

[The Equalizer]

1. Not really relevant. Institutions commit secondary violations that are reported regularly. They weren't on a zero tolerance policy because Juan took baseball players from a boosters kid.

As I said, one minor violation in isolation isn't a problem.  A second violation for a similar offense within months of the first is a bigger problem.  The first violation brings with it internal education, which makes the second more serious.

The first time, someone can get away with "I didn't understand the rules."  The second time, that excuse doesn't wash.

2. Title IX has nothing to do with NCAA violations. Would not have been a factor.

It may not have resulted in a direct NCAA penalty, but would be another piece of evidence supporting lack of institutional control.

3. You are correct. But he lied because there was a zero tolerance policy in effect. Well run organizations rarely implement such policies. They actually allow adults to make decisions using their judgement.

I could see your point if the punishment was for an accidental, one-off violation of a confusing or difficult-to-understand NCAA rule.

But there is no lack of clarity with respect to the rule that Monarch violated. Or MU's expectations around it.

This was knowing disregard for a well known and extremely clear NCAA rule that occurred within months of a similar incident, and knowing that the employer made it clear that they had no tolerance for additional such violations.

[We R Final Four]

Amen. Wisconsinites actually take pride in never venturing to other states or...gasp...other countries. So isolated and ignorant.

This maybe the dumbest thing I have ever read on Scoop.

Wisconsinites actually take pride in NEVER venturing to other states????????
Dumb.

GO CUBS!