Big East Non Conference Results

[warriorchick]

Why go through all these machinations? Let's just win the Big East Tournament and be done with it.   

[Atticus]

Why go through all these machinations? Let's just win the Big East Tournament and be done with it.   

We went through this last year. We crowned ourselves the best conference in the land at the end of december. According to tv ratings, no one cares. We disnt send a team to the S16. No matter...decmber conference RPI is what hangs banners.

[naginiF]

We went through this last year. We crowned ourselves the best conference in the land at the end of december. According to tv ratings, no one cares. We disnt send a team to the S16. No matter...decmber conference RPI is what hangs banners.

RPI and tv ratings are two COMPLETELY different things.  One is an objective perspective of performance at a specific point in time and the other is the draw of an institution/grouping of institutions.  The big 5 institutions each graduate (or 'graduate') the entire student body of any BE member every year.  That results in a vastly larger viewership than the BE can produce and this doesn't even take into account the Wal-Mart fans of each big 5 institution (sans Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and Stanford).

Said another way, RPI disnt bother with tv ratings.

[Atticus]

RPI and tv ratings are two COMPLETELY different things.  One is an objective perspective of performance at a specific point in time and the other is the draw of an institution/grouping of institutions.  The big 5 institutions each graduate (or 'graduate') the entire student body of any BE member every year.  That results in a vastly larger viewership than the BE can produce and this doesn't even take into account the Wal-Mart fans of each big 5 institution (sans Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and Stanford).

Said another way, RPI disnt bother with tv ratings.

Interesting. What about the 80's and 90's? The tv rating of the BE were huge. Football was off the charts. Miami football was dominant...and people watxhed. "Dah U" was big time. As for basketball...allen iverson, john wallace, ray allen...

[naginiF]

Interesting. What about the 80's and 90's? The tv rating of the BE were huge. Football was off the charts. Miami football was dominant...and people watxhed. "Dah U" was big time. As for basketball...allen iverson, john wallace, ray allen...

I have no idea what point you are trying to make.  Your post i was responding to stated that the perception of the BE being a great conference based on RPI was wrong because of TV ratings and NCAA performance.

Now a question about the 80's and 90's, some non related football/Miami reference and a list of players.  Nonsensical at best.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

We went through this last year. We crowned ourselves the best conference in the land at the end of december. According to tv ratings, no one cares. We disnt send a team to the S16. No matter...decmber conference RPI is what hangs banners.

It is one of the stronger BB conferences from top to bottom in the land. The best? No. But one that'll get 5 teams (half the league) in the dance most years.

The old BE cannot be compared to new BE. The BE of 2006-2013 was the best conference ever assembled.

[warriorchick]

I have no idea what point you are trying to make.  Your post i was responding to stated that the perception of the BE being a great conference based on RPI was wrong because of TV ratings and NCAA performance.

Now a question about the 80's and 90's, some non related football/Miami reference and a list of players.  Nonsensical at best.

Atticus doesn't believe in teal.

[Atticus]

Atticus doesn't believe in teal.

Teal?

[jsglow]

It is one of the stronger BB conferences from top to bottom in the land. The best? No. But one that'll get 5 teams (half the league) in the dance most years.

The old BE cannot be compared to new BE. The BE of 2006-2013 was the best conference ever assembled.

It sure was.  But what's evolved out of that is the best possible situation given the circumstances.  All the other big conferences are dominated by huge state schools.  Lil' old Marquette is so fortunate that our conference competes effectively in every way.  And if things play out 50% or more will be dancing again.

[Atticus]

It sure was.  But what's evolved out of that is the best possible situation given the circumstances.  All the other big conferences are dominated by huge state schools.  Lil' old Marquette is so fortunate that our conference competes effectively in every way.  And if things play out 50% or more will be dancing again.

I thought the best conference ever assembled was the 80's Big East. It was what made espn. It changed all of college bball.

[naginiF]

Atticus doesn't believe in teal.

Clearly.

But what about the conference configuration 20-30 years ago?  shouldn't that take consideration in todays RPI and conference rankings?

[Eldon]

I thought the best conference ever assembled was the 80's Big East. It was what made espn. It changed all of college bball.

#11/16
#bestconferenceever

[BM1090]

Definitely sent a team to the S16 (Xavier)

[Tugg Speedman]

I thought the best conference ever assembled was the 80's Big East. It was what made espn. It changed all of college bball.

And that is what FS1 is hoping for.

TV ratings mean little when on a new network.  They will grow over time as the network is accepted.

Hey Chicos ... Thursday Night NFL games are up for renewal, any chance Fox drops a ton of money to show them on FS1?  If that happened, BE basketball ratings would triple.

Point is their are many more dynamics than how good the basketball team is when it comes to TV ratings.  And besides, FS1 is paying the BE like it is more popular than Duke basketball!

[jsglow]

I thought the best conference ever assembled was the 80's Big East. It was what made espn. It changed all of college bball.

Not going to try to compare.  Both were cream of the crop.

[mubb3434]

LSU is doing everything they can to make out win over them not a quality win... Just got steam rolled by Charelston and have lost their last 3 games...

[warriorchick]

LSU is doing everything they can to make out win over them not a quality win... Just got steam rolled by Charelston and have lost their last 3 games...

ESPN Headline:

Collapsing LSU basketball team fails to support Ben Simmons

[bilsu]

LSU is doing everything they can to make out win over them not a quality win... Just got steam rolled by Charelston and have lost their last 3 games...

The wins in New York were not any better than our wins against Tennessee and Georgia Tech in last year's holiday tournament.

[Windyplayer]

The wins in New York were not any better than our wins against Tennessee and Georgia Tech in last year's holiday tournament.

Hard to say that on December 1. Still so, so much basketball to be played. LSU will get their fair share of quality wins as Simmons develops even more. As far as ASU, the verdict is still out. Every year there are seemingly meaningless wins early on that turn out to be quality wins when that opponent sneaks into the top 100 or 75 in the RPI (and vice versa).

[Windyplayer]

ESPN Headline:

Collapsing LSU basketball team fails to support Ben Simmons

Two of those three losses were to NC State and us--both are acceptable losses. The verdict is out on the Charleston loss (they only lost at Davidson by 1, but also lost to Coastal Carolina). Way too early to deem good/bad losses unless we're talking about a perennial bottom feeder in DI like Grambling State.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The wins in New York were not any better than our wins against Tennessee and Georgia Tech in last year's holiday tournament.

Lsu and Arizona state will both finish with higher rpis this season than either of Tennessee or gt last season. However, we won't get as much credit for Lsu because they didn't have Hornsby or Craig Victor

[Coleman]

And that is what FS1 is hoping for.

TV ratings mean little when on a new network.  They will grow over time as the network is accepted.

Hey Chicos ... Thursday Night NFL games are up for renewal, any chance Fox drops a ton of money to show them on FS1?  If that happened, BE basketball ratings would triple.

Point is their are many more dynamics than how good the basketball team is when it comes to TV ratings.  And besides, FS1 is paying the BE like it is more popular than Duke basketball!

If Fox drops a ton of money on NFL Thursday Night Football, it is going to be broadcast on FOX, not FS1.

This is sort of the inherent problem with FS1 vs. ESPN.....the really big games get shown on FOX Broadcast network.  I guess you could say the same thing about ESPN and ABC but it doesn't seem to cannibalize them as much.

[GGGG]

If Fox drops a ton of money on NFL Thursday Night Football, it is going to be broadcast on FOX, not FS1.

Maybe.  They actually might want to put programming onto FS1 - at least for half the season. 

The other rights fees to look out for are the Big Ten.  All of their rights deals expire after the 2016-17 season.  Getting BE games mixed in with B10 games would be helpful.

[Windyplayer]

Lsu and Arizona state will both finish with higher rpis this season than either of Tennessee or gt last season. However, we won't get as much credit for Lsu because they didn't have Hornsby or Craig Victor

Eh, will the committee take that into account or just go off end-of-season RPI. I don't think they put in that kind of leg work in Indy.

[Pakuni]

If Fox drops a ton of money on NFL Thursday Night Football, it is going to be broadcast on FOX, not FS1.

This is sort of the inherent problem with FS1 vs. ESPN.....the really big games get shown on FOX Broadcast network.  I guess you could say the same thing about ESPN and ABC but it doesn't seem to cannibalize them as much.

ABC keeps a lot of its major sporting events on ESPN, i.e. Monday Night Football, the college football playoff, NBA conference finals, etc.
Not sure we can assume Fox wouldn't consider a similar arrangement, at least occasionally, if for no other reason than to boost FS1's profile.