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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Herman Cain on November 15, 2015, 08:38:24 AM
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Big East is 8-2 in non conference play. Lets home this high level of performance continues.
The Big East did well last year in non conference play and that helped get six teams into the tournament.
This is something we need to keep an eye on.
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The only bigger surprise than Georgetown getting defeated by Radford was the fact that DePaul had a game on campus, had a sold-out game in front of actual fans, and that DePaul won.
If DePaul can get more competitive in OOC, it does wonders for the Big East.
As of right now, only two schools have yet to be ranked while in the "new' Big East: Marquette ( :-\) and DePaul.
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The only bigger surprise than Georgetown getting defeated by Radford was the fact that DePaul had a game on campus, had a sold-out game in front of actual fans, and that DePaul won.
If DePaul can get more competitive in OOC, it does wonders for the Big East.
As of right now, only two schools have yet to be ranked while in the "new' Big East: Marquette ( :-\) and DePaul.
We were ranked #17 coming into the Ohio State game in 2013, no?
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Butler put up 144? Lol
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So far the only mention-able win is Providence over Harvard. How things shake out over the Thanksgiving week tournaments will go a long way in determining the conference's perception for the rest of the season.
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So far the only mention-able win is Providence over Harvard. How things shake out over the Thanksgiving week tournaments will go a long way in determining the conference's perception for the rest of the season.
Yep.
Wonder is Hoyas still thinks GT is gonna get a 1 seed? Haha.
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Big East 9-2 after Seton Hall win over Wagner Today.
Would be nice to see St. Johns get another win tomorrow versus UMBC, important to the league that they are competitive. Was good to see Chris Mullin win his first game against Wagner.
Maybe we should play Wagner.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/11/13/mullin-wins-1st-game-with-st-johns-66-57-over-wagner/75744174/
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Big East now 11-2 in non conference play. Nice that we are part of the winners.
St. Johns looked good in their win tonight over UMBC.
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Yep.
Wonder is Hoyas still thinks GT is gonna get a 1 seed? Haha.
Not sure where Hoyas thought that. Looks to me like he thought they would get a 3 seed.
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Big East 14-4 in non conference. Villanova racked up win versus Big Ten opponent. GTown played well against Maryland in their loss.
We need to beat Iowa.
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Big East 14-4 in non conference. Villanova racked up win versus Big Ten opponent. GTown played well against Maryland in their loss.
We need to beat Iowa.
And Providence hosts Illinois tonight.
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In the FS1 undercard, Providence in a tight one with Illinois. Down 57-54 with 5:30 left
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Providence wins by 1 despite missing 3 of 4 free throws in last 43 seconds. Illinois missed a put back dunk with 3 seconds left to lose the game. Go Big East.
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Providence wins by 1 despite missing 3 of 4 free throws in last 43 seconds. Illinois missed a put back dunk with 3 seconds left to lose the game. Go Big East.
These Gavitt games are a nice way to showcase our league. We have been very competitive so far.
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Providence wins by 1 despite missing 3 of 4 free throws in last 43 seconds. Illinois missed a put back dunk with 3 seconds left to lose the game. Go Big East.
As sloppy as the finish was with both teams not able to close the game out, that was a very entertaining last several minutes.
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Butler scoring like crazy. Up 85-49 over Missouri State in Puerto Rico.
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Creighton getting waxed by Crean and Indiana, St John's being similar treatment from Rutgers, and (non-Gavitt) Seton Hall down double digits to Long Beach State. Not a good night for the Big East so far.
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Creighton getting waxed by Crean and Indiana, St John's being similar treatment from Rutgers, and (non-Gavitt) Seton Hall down double digits to Long Beach State. Not a good night for the Big East so far.
IU isn't very deep, but they are going to be very good if they can stay healthy. Senior point guard, athletic wings, strong post presence.
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impressive comeback by SJU. Rutgers freethrows; oh my.
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Chris Mullin has really aged
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St. Johns showing that they have a lot of heart. Have regained the lead with 40 seconds left , they have absolutely no talent but Mullin has them working hard.
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Big East had a nice showing tonight...
"X" offsets our loss at home to knock of ranked Michigan in Ann Arbor. I believe that made the Gavitt record an even 4-4 versus the Big Ten
Nova and The Hall take care of business
Butler knocks off Temple in the Puerto Rico Tipoff
G'Town knocks off the Badgers to avenge last year's last minute loss
DePaul loses... of course, but all in all a good night.
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The Big East is 22-8 non conference. Everyone holding up their end up the bargain except MU. Georgetown had a quality loss against Maryland.
We want to see as many wins as possible non conference, this conference is a Beast and every game is a battle.
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The Big East is 22-8 non conference. Everyone holding up their end up the bargain except MU. Georgetown had a quality loss against Maryland.
We want to see as many wins as possible non conference, this conference is a Beast and every game is a battle.
If all of our losses are against top-100 teams, we're holding up our end. I'm confident we at least go 8-5 non-conference, in part because our schedule is so weak. And while we're clearly not a great team yet, I don't think Arizona State (likely second opponent in NYC) or Wisconsin are great either. Go 9-4 or better and we've definitely done our part, even if it's maybe not what we were hoping for.
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If all of our losses are against top-100 teams, we're holding up our end. I'm confident we at least go 8-5 non-conference, in part because our schedule is so weak. And while we're clearly not a great team yet, I don't think Arizona State (likely second opponent in NYC) or Wisconsin are great either. Go 9-4 or better and we've definitely done our part, even if it's maybe not what we were hoping for.
I agree with this analysis.
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Big East 1-1 tonight Providence beats Brown. DePaul loses to Florida State.
23-8 overall.
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Chris Mullin has really aged
Guess all that ethyl takes its toll eventually, hey?
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Big East 2-2 today. We missed some opportunities though. Georgetown lost by two to Duke. A win would have been very good. They look to be a good squad. Butler lost to a good Miami team that will probably be ranked. Seton Hall over Ole Miss and Villanova beat Akron.
Would be helpful to the league if we could at least win one game at the Legends.
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Big East 2-2 today. We missed some opportunities though. Georgetown lost by two to Duke. A win would have been very good. They look to be a good squad. Butler lost to a good Miami team that will probably be ranked. Seton Hall over Ole Miss and Villanova beat Akron.
Would be helpful to the league if we could at least win one game at the Legends.
So we get beat by two teams and it's the end of the world to you. Georgetown gets beat by three teams and they look to be a good squad?
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So we get beat by two teams and it's the end of the world to you. Georgetown gets beat by three teams and they look to be a good squad?
Close losses to Maryland and Duke , where they were ahead at times , are much different than the butt kicking that Iowa administered to us. I think that is very obvious.
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Close losses to Maryland and Duke , where they were ahead at times , are much different than the butt kicking that Iowa administered to us. I think that is very obvious.
Yes those two and powerhouse Radford
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Yes those two and powerhouse Radford
I will be delighted if we beat Georgetown twice.
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St Johns down 30 at half against Vandy.
Vandy is good.
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St Johns down 30 at half against Vandy.
Vandy is good.
And St. John's is not.
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And St. John's is not.
Yes, but Vandy is very good.
I can't even imagine MU playing that team right now.
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Yes, but Vandy is very good.
I can't even imagine MU playing that team right now.
Didn't that local kid go to Vandy? I can't recall his name at the moment. I think he really wanted to go to MU, but Bazz didn't reciprocate
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Didn't that local kid go to Vandy? I can't recall his name at the moment. I think he really wanted to go to MU, but Bazz didn't reciprocate
Yes, Riley LaChance.
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Off topic, but watching this Wake Forest - Indiana game after watching Vandy-SJU earlier.
Bill Walton is incredibly hard to listen to. I've watched games he called before, but apparently hadn't really listened. Definitely knowledgable, but makes a pretty good announcer in Jon Schambi sound like a clown.
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Yes, but Vandy is very good.
I can't even imagine MU playing that team right now.
Won't argue with you on that.
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Big East now 30-12.
Feels good for MU to have one of the leagues signature wins.
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Big East now 30-12.
Feels good for MU to have one of the leagues signature wins.
This is an important distinction. The Big East 30-12 cumulatively, but there's a lot of bunnies in there. Against the "Football Five," the Big East is 9-9.
Butler (0-1, Lost to Miami, FL)
Creighton (1-1, Beat Rutgers, lost to Indiana)
DePaul (0-3, Lost to Penn State, Florida State, and South Carolina)
Georgetown (1-2, Beat Wisconsin, lost to Maryland and Duke)
Marquette (1-1, Beat LSU, lost to Iowa)
Providence (1-0, Beat Illinois)
St. John's (1-1, Beat Rutgers, lost to Vandy)
Seton Hall (1-0, Beat Ole Miss)
Villanova (1-0, Beat Nebraska)
Xavier (2-0, Beat Missouri and Michigan)
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Off topic, but watching this Wake Forest - Indiana game after watching Vandy-SJU earlier.
Bill Walton is incredibly hard to listen to. I've watched games he called before, but apparently hadn't really listened. Definitely knowledgable, but makes a pretty good announcer in Jon Schambi sound like a clown.
Yeah that and the way he wears his sunglasses inside makes him a Caricature of the uncool trying to look cool
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This is an important distinction. The Big East 30-12 cumulatively, but there's a lot of bunnies in there. Against the "Football Five," the Big East is 9-9.
Butler (0-1, Lost to Miami, FL)
Creighton (1-1, Beat Rutgers, lost to Indiana)
DePaul (0-3, Lost to Penn State, Florida State, and South Carolina)
Georgetown (1-2, Beat Wisconsin, lost to Maryland and Duke)
Marquette (1-1, Beat LSU, lost to Iowa)
Providence (1-0, Beat Illinois)
St. John's (1-1, Beat Rutgers, lost to Vandy)
Seton Hall (1-0, Beat Ole Miss)
Villanova (1-0, Beat Nebraska)
Xavier (2-0, Beat Missouri and Michigan)
And minus DePaul we're 9-6. I know that it's not fair to remove them, but 3 of the losses have come from our worst team.
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I recall from previous seasons a conference ranking metric. Perhaps by Kenpom?
Anyone have access / or familiar with that? Id like to see what it looks like so far.
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I believe I calculated it right. Last year Big East non-conference record was 96-32 winning 75% of games. 30-12 is 71.42%.
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I believe i calculated it right. Last year Big East non-conference record was 96-32 winning 75% of games. 30-12 is 71.42%.
Which should be boosted by bunnies.
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I recall from previous seasons a conference ranking metric. Perhaps by Kenpom?
Anyone have access / or familiar with that? Id like to see what it looks like so far.
Here is the Real Time RPI metric which is updated every 5 minutes . Right now we are 2nd as a conference. Which is pretty similar to Last year
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
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Xavier and Villanova are taking care of business. Really good opportunity for Providence tonight!
Big East Looking strong!
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Xavier and Villanova are taking care of business. Really good opportunity for Providence tonight!
Big East Looking strong!
Against #11 Arizona on ESPN2. That would be a huge win for them and the conference. I'm gonna try to tune in via stream
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I recall from previous seasons a conference ranking metric. Perhaps by Kenpom?
Anyone have access / or familiar with that? Id like to see what it looks like so far.
Here's Kenpom's top ten right now
1 Big 12 Conference .8222
2 Atlantic Coast Conference .8148
3 Big East Conference .7637
4 Big Ten Conference .7624
5 Pac 12 Conference .7504
6 Southeastern Conference .7418
7 American Athletic Conference .6671
8 Atlantic 10 Conference .6637
9 Mountain West Conference .5709
10 Missouri Valley Conference .5477
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Here's Kenpom's top ten right now
1 Big 12 Conference .8222
2 Atlantic Coast Conference .8148
3 Big East Conference .7637
4 Big Ten Conference .7624
5 Pac 12 Conference .7504
6 Southeastern Conference .7418
7 American Athletic Conference .6671
8 Atlantic 10 Conference .6637
9 Mountain West Conference .5709
10 Missouri Valley Conference .5477
Thanks. Anyone know how the numbers looked as we entered conference play last year? I do know that our non-con success helped us (well, not 'us' but that's another story) once March came.
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Huge win for Providence. BEast looking good.
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Providence win versus Arizona essentially a road win . Very good for conference resume . Game tonight versus Michigan State should be good. Looked like a lot of MSU fans are at the games.
Would like to see Xavier beat Dayton and bring another tournament championship to the league.
Things looking good for Big East.
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Thanks. Anyone know how the numbers looked as we entered conference play last year? I do know that our non-con success helped us (well, not 'us' but that's another story) once March came.
We were second last year to the Big 12.
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Georgetown, Creighton, Butler and Hall win today.
Big East keeps up the momentum.
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Georgetown, Creighton, Butler and Hall win today.
Big East keeps up the momentum.
Finally someone ends the Leathernecks unstoppable unbeaten run. Here Bucky fans were thinking WIU might go undefeated.
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Big East now 43-13
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Of course, nice as this may feel, it doesn't mean a hill of beans if we don't produce in March. Sadly, few remember what happens in November when it comes to evaluating conference strength.
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Of course, nice as this may feel, it doesn't mean a hill of beans if we don't produce in March. Sadly, few remember what happens in November when it comes to evaluating conference strength.
It means it is our team's fault and not our conference's fault. This kind of conference success, if it continues, should equate to 5 Big East bids.
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Of course, nice as this may feel, it doesn't mean a hill of beans if we don't produce in March. Sadly, few remember what happens in November when it comes to evaluating conference strength.
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, bro. November helps determine March success, e.g., seeding
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Of course, nice as this may feel, it doesn't mean a hill of beans if we don't produce in March. Sadly, few remember what happens in November when it comes to evaluating conference strength.
I think you may be conflating/confusing conference strength with conference reputation. The former is very much influenced by what happens in November (and December), the latter more by what happens in March.
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Xavier destroying Dayton in Orlando . Lots of Dayton people at the game but Xavier keeping them quiet. Xavier looks to be a very good team this year.
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Record attendance weekend down in Orlando. Dayton has had 2,000 plus fans at each game.
Xavier fans have traveled well, and are smoking the Flyers. Xavier could win the Big East.
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Record attendance weekend down in Orlando. Dayton has had 2,000 plus fans at each game.
Xavier fans have traveled well, and are smoking the Flyers. Xavier could win the Big East.
I could have swore that Myles Davis had graduated by now. Another one of those frustrating "isn't he gone yet" players.
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I could have swore that Myles Davis had graduated by now. Another one of those frustrating "isn't he gone yet" players.
Thougt the same opening weekend.
Great thing about this season for MU, we have a team full of guys who will be like that in a couple years.
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I could have swore that Myles Davis had graduated by now. Another one of those frustrating "isn't he gone yet" players.
Lol same....and yet he's only a junior.
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Thougt the same opening weekend.
Great thing about this season for MU, we have a team full of guys who will be like that in a couple years.
I was thinking the same thing while I watched the game. Our youthful depth is going to be something special in a few years.
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Providence Michigan State game will be an interesting match up. Dunn versus Valentine. Here is how the Spartan web site analyzes Providence.
http://www.theonlycolors.com/2015/11/29/9813050/michigan-state-basketball-providence-preview
Go Big East
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Yeah that and the way he wears his sunglasses inside makes him a Caricature of the uncool trying to look cool
The dude jammed with the Dead. Nothing is more cool. Nothing.
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The dude jammed with the Dead. Nothing is more cool. Nothing.
I've not heard the jam, but if it was a tenth as bad as his calling of the Maui games, Jerry should've taken one of his fingers.
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First half Providence hanging tight with MSU. Lets see if they can make something happen in the second half.
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MSU had too much depth at the end for Providence especially after Dunn got in foul trouble. Overall they played a good game and represented conference well.
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Providence looks pretty good to me. Scary thing is they might be only the 5th best team in the conference.
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Coaches Poll Rankings
7. Villanova
18. Xavier
24. Providence
25. Butler
Big East continues to impress. If we can sustain this through December it would be great.
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So if the BE gets 5 to the NCAA (pretty much a given) we need to catch G'Town, Butler or Providence. If 6...........we all know how thin our margin of error is.
Looking at our BE schedule, there is only one "easy" stretch...5 games starting 1/20 with DePaul at home and ending 2/3 @ The Hall (unfortunately both Hall and St. John's are away, Stetson is one of those 5 games and Butler is in there too). The rest is just brutal, especially the last 8 games. Strap in, it's gonna be a bumpy ride!
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Why go through all these machinations? Let's just win the Big East Tournament and be done with it. 8-)
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Why go through all these machinations? Let's just win the Big East Tournament and be done with it. 8-)
We went through this last year. We crowned ourselves the best conference in the land at the end of december. According to tv ratings, no one cares. We disnt send a team to the S16. No matter...decmber conference RPI is what hangs banners.
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We went through this last year. We crowned ourselves the best conference in the land at the end of december. According to tv ratings, no one cares. We disnt send a team to the S16. No matter...decmber conference RPI is what hangs banners.
RPI and tv ratings are two COMPLETELY different things. One is an objective perspective of performance at a specific point in time and the other is the draw of an institution/grouping of institutions. The big 5 institutions each graduate (or 'graduate') the entire student body of any BE member every year. That results in a vastly larger viewership than the BE can produce and this doesn't even take into account the Wal-Mart fans of each big 5 institution (sans Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and Stanford).
Said another way, RPI disnt bother with tv ratings.
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RPI and tv ratings are two COMPLETELY different things. One is an objective perspective of performance at a specific point in time and the other is the draw of an institution/grouping of institutions. The big 5 institutions each graduate (or 'graduate') the entire student body of any BE member every year. That results in a vastly larger viewership than the BE can produce and this doesn't even take into account the Wal-Mart fans of each big 5 institution (sans Northwestern, Vanderbilt, and Stanford).
Said another way, RPI disnt bother with tv ratings.
Interesting. What about the 80's and 90's? The tv rating of the BE were huge. Football was off the charts. Miami football was dominant...and people watxhed. "Dah U" was big time. As for basketball...allen iverson, john wallace, ray allen...
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Interesting. What about the 80's and 90's? The tv rating of the BE were huge. Football was off the charts. Miami football was dominant...and people watxhed. "Dah U" was big time. As for basketball...allen iverson, john wallace, ray allen...
I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Your post i was responding to stated that the perception of the BE being a great conference based on RPI was wrong because of TV ratings and NCAA performance.
Now a question about the 80's and 90's, some non related football/Miami reference and a list of players. Nonsensical at best.
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We went through this last year. We crowned ourselves the best conference in the land at the end of december. According to tv ratings, no one cares. We disnt send a team to the S16. No matter...decmber conference RPI is what hangs banners.
It is one of the stronger BB conferences from top to bottom in the land. The best? No. But one that'll get 5 teams (half the league) in the dance most years.
The old BE cannot be compared to new BE. The BE of 2006-2013 was the best conference ever assembled.
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I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Your post i was responding to stated that the perception of the BE being a great conference based on RPI was wrong because of TV ratings and NCAA performance.
Now a question about the 80's and 90's, some non related football/Miami reference and a list of players. Nonsensical at best.
Atticus doesn't believe in teal.
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Atticus doesn't believe in teal.
Teal?
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It is one of the stronger BB conferences from top to bottom in the land. The best? No. But one that'll get 5 teams (half the league) in the dance most years.
The old BE cannot be compared to new BE. The BE of 2006-2013 was the best conference ever assembled.
It sure was. But what's evolved out of that is the best possible situation given the circumstances. All the other big conferences are dominated by huge state schools. Lil' old Marquette is so fortunate that our conference competes effectively in every way. And if things play out 50% or more will be dancing again.
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It sure was. But what's evolved out of that is the best possible situation given the circumstances. All the other big conferences are dominated by huge state schools. Lil' old Marquette is so fortunate that our conference competes effectively in every way. And if things play out 50% or more will be dancing again.
I thought the best conference ever assembled was the 80's Big East. It was what made espn. It changed all of college bball.
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Atticus doesn't believe in teal.
Clearly.
But what about the conference configuration 20-30 years ago? shouldn't that take consideration in todays RPI and conference rankings?
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I thought the best conference ever assembled was the 80's Big East. It was what made espn. It changed all of college bball.
#11/16
#bestconferenceever
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Definitely sent a team to the S16 (Xavier)
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I thought the best conference ever assembled was the 80's Big East. It was what made espn. It changed all of college bball.
And that is what FS1 is hoping for.
TV ratings mean little when on a new network. They will grow over time as the network is accepted.
Hey Chicos ... Thursday Night NFL games are up for renewal, any chance Fox drops a ton of money to show them on FS1? If that happened, BE basketball ratings would triple.
Point is their are many more dynamics than how good the basketball team is when it comes to TV ratings. And besides, FS1 is paying the BE like it is more popular than Duke basketball!
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I thought the best conference ever assembled was the 80's Big East. It was what made espn. It changed all of college bball.
Not going to try to compare. Both were cream of the crop.
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LSU is doing everything they can to make out win over them not a quality win... Just got steam rolled by Charelston and have lost their last 3 games...
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LSU is doing everything they can to make out win over them not a quality win... Just got steam rolled by Charelston and have lost their last 3 games...
ESPN Headline:
Collapsing LSU basketball team fails to support Ben Simmons
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LSU is doing everything they can to make out win over them not a quality win... Just got steam rolled by Charelston and have lost their last 3 games...
The wins in New York were not any better than our wins against Tennessee and Georgia Tech in last year's holiday tournament.
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The wins in New York were not any better than our wins against Tennessee and Georgia Tech in last year's holiday tournament.
Hard to say that on December 1. Still so, so much basketball to be played. LSU will get their fair share of quality wins as Simmons develops even more. As far as ASU, the verdict is still out. Every year there are seemingly meaningless wins early on that turn out to be quality wins when that opponent sneaks into the top 100 or 75 in the RPI (and vice versa).
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ESPN Headline:
Collapsing LSU basketball team fails to support Ben Simmons
Two of those three losses were to NC State and us--both are acceptable losses. The verdict is out on the Charleston loss (they only lost at Davidson by 1, but also lost to Coastal Carolina). Way too early to deem good/bad losses unless we're talking about a perennial bottom feeder in DI like Grambling State.
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The wins in New York were not any better than our wins against Tennessee and Georgia Tech in last year's holiday tournament.
Lsu and Arizona state will both finish with higher rpis this season than either of Tennessee or gt last season. However, we won't get as much credit for Lsu because they didn't have Hornsby or Craig Victor
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And that is what FS1 is hoping for.
TV ratings mean little when on a new network. They will grow over time as the network is accepted.
Hey Chicos ... Thursday Night NFL games are up for renewal, any chance Fox drops a ton of money to show them on FS1? If that happened, BE basketball ratings would triple.
Point is their are many more dynamics than how good the basketball team is when it comes to TV ratings. And besides, FS1 is paying the BE like it is more popular than Duke basketball!
If Fox drops a ton of money on NFL Thursday Night Football, it is going to be broadcast on FOX, not FS1.
This is sort of the inherent problem with FS1 vs. ESPN.....the really big games get shown on FOX Broadcast network. I guess you could say the same thing about ESPN and ABC but it doesn't seem to cannibalize them as much.
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If Fox drops a ton of money on NFL Thursday Night Football, it is going to be broadcast on FOX, not FS1.
Maybe. They actually might want to put programming onto FS1 - at least for half the season.
The other rights fees to look out for are the Big Ten. All of their rights deals expire after the 2016-17 season. Getting BE games mixed in with B10 games would be helpful.
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Lsu and Arizona state will both finish with higher rpis this season than either of Tennessee or gt last season. However, we won't get as much credit for Lsu because they didn't have Hornsby or Craig Victor
Eh, will the committee take that into account or just go off end-of-season RPI. I don't think they put in that kind of leg work in Indy.
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If Fox drops a ton of money on NFL Thursday Night Football, it is going to be broadcast on FOX, not FS1.
This is sort of the inherent problem with FS1 vs. ESPN.....the really big games get shown on FOX Broadcast network. I guess you could say the same thing about ESPN and ABC but it doesn't seem to cannibalize them as much.
ABC keeps a lot of its major sporting events on ESPN, i.e. Monday Night Football, the college football playoff, NBA conference finals, etc.
Not sure we can assume Fox wouldn't consider a similar arrangement, at least occasionally, if for no other reason than to boost FS1's profile.
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ABC keeps a lot of its major sporting events on ESPN, i.e. Monday Night Football, the college football playoff, NBA conference finals, etc.
Not sure we can assume Fox wouldn't consider a similar arrangement, at least occasionally, if for no other reason than to boost FS1's profile.
That's exactly it. The NFL used Thursday games a few years ago to force its NFL Network onto basic Tier cable (basic bundle). FS1 could do the same, buy Thursday NFL rights for FS1 and force its profile much higher.
FS1 had playoff baseball this year.
I guess it all goes to Fox's thinking. Do they want FS1 to be a major player or not? If they do, they need high profile properties. They don't come much higher than Thursday Night NFL and, I believe the Thursday night NFL contract is up this year, or next year.
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That's exactly it. The NFL used Thursday games a few years ago to force its NFL Network onto basic Tier cable (basic bundle). FS1 could do the same, buy Thursday NFL rights for FS1 and force its profile much higher.
FS1 had playoff baseball this year.
I guess it all goes to Fox's thinking. Do they want FS1 to be a major player or not? If they do, they need high profile properties. They don't come much higher than Thursday Night NFL and, I believe the Thursday night NFL contract is up this year, or next year.
If Fox gets Thursday NFL ,Big East benefits. Lots of cross promotional advertising of our games .
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ESPN is the rights holder, not ABC. It goes oddly in reverse compared to FOX, CBS and NBC.
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ESPN is the rights holder, not ABC. It goes oddly in reverse compared to FOX, CBS and NBC.
It's not really "in reverse." ESPN and ABC are "co-equals" within Disney Media Group, which is obviously owned by Walt Disney Company. ESPN produces all of ABC's sports broadcasts.
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It's not really "in reverse." ESPN and ABC are "co-equals" within Disney Media Group, which is obviously owned by Walt Disney Company. ESPN produces all of ABC's sports broadcasts.
Sure, you kinda put in better words.
ESPN, going by contracts is the rights holder. They are not co-equals in many things. Example, SEC football can't be on ABC.
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Big East now 47-14 non conference.
Some important games tonight. Butler at Cincinnati. A road win over a rated team would be very good. Also a Seton Hall win on the road over George Washington would help our cause.
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Big win by Butler over Cincinnati tonight
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I watched the ending of the Butler Cincinnati game, amazing finish. Butler well coached.
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Yep- conf is rolling right now
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Creighton barely falls to ASU
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Creighton barely falls to ASU
Creighton was down 1 with ~7 seconds or so and missed two free throws.
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Creighton barely falls to ASU
While this hurts us more than helps us in the long run, in the short-term, it at least bolsters ASU's RPI/resume; they might end up a Top 100 RPI win now for us, which wasn't necessarily likely before last night.
Still, Creighton is the top team (outside of us) in terms of their eventual weight on our RPI, so it hurts to see them drop a home game against a winnable P5 opponent.
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Creighton could be our competition for a 5th bid out of the Big East. Yeah, yeah, team's get bids, not conferences. But if the selection committee is debating between us and Creighton, this could help us a little. Now we just need to beat Creighton twice.
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I watched the end of the Creighton game. They had several chances to win it but it didn't work out. They look very good. ASU looked strong and did very well to win a tough road game. From the standpoint of MU it was good to see ASU win, although if Creighton won I would have been slightly more pleased.
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St. John's lost to Fordham. Should be an interesting battle between SJU and DePaul for the basement.
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St. John's lost to Fordham. Should be an interesting battle between SJU and DePaul for the basement.
Yep. And we NEED to go 4-0 against 'em.
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Yep. And we NEED to go 4-0 against 'em.
To make the tournament, I honestly think we need to go 6-0 against St. John's, Depaul, and Seton Hall. Because I don't think we can hope for much better than 6-6 against the remaining six teams in the BEast.
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To make the tournament, I honestly think we need to go 6-0 against St. John's, Depaul, and Seton Hall. Because I don't think we can hope for much better than 6-6 against the remaining six teams in the BEast.
You think MU needs to go 12-6 in the BE to get in the tourney? I don't.
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You think MU needs to go 12-6 in the BE to get in the tourney? I don't.
Play around with RPI Wizard. It's not pretty.
If we lose to Wisconsin, go 8-0 against SH/DPL/SJU/CREI, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 4-4 against the rest (winning at home, losing away) our RPI ends up at 52 with a SOS of 101. That would have me shaking on selection Sunday. Probably need at least 2 in NYC, three to be safe.
If everything stays the same but we beat Wisconsin (a tall order) its 36 RPI and a SOS of 100. RPI looks good but the SOS worries me. Need to win one in NYC to be safe.
Lose to Wisconsin, 6-0 against the basement, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 5-5 verus the middle gets us a 59 RPI and 101 SOS. Not getting into the tournament. Better win the conference championship.
Keep everything the same but beat Wisconsin its an RPI of 50 and SOS of 101. Need at least two in NYC, but probably three to be safe.
So yes, I think we need to go 12-6 in the Big East to make the tourney. If not, we pretty much have to win the whole damn NYC tourney.
Also, a 13-7 record almost guarantees we will end up as a 4 or 5 seed in NYC. Meaning Villanova will likely be waiting for us in the second round. I think we could play Nova 100 times and maybe win four or five times.
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You think MU needs to go 12-6 in the BE to get in the tourney? I don't.
Dunno if we need to go 12-6, but I do agree that 6-0 against SJU, DePaul and SHU is critical. A loss to any of those three would likely qualify as a "bad loss" in the committee's eyes, and I don't think we have enough wiggle room to afford them.
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Play around with RPI Wizard. It's not pretty.
If we lose to Wisconsin, go 8-0 against SH/DPL/SJU/CREI, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 4-4 against the rest (winning at home, losing away) our RPI ends up at 52 with a SOS of 101. That would have me shaking on selection Sunday. Probably need at least 2 in NYC, three to be safe.
If everything stays the same but we beat Wisconsin (a tall order) its 36 RPI and a SOS of 100. RPI looks good but the SOS worries me. Need to win one in NYC to be safe.
Lose to Wisconsin, 6-0 against the basement, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 5-5 verus the middle gets us a 59 RPI and 101 SOS. Not getting into the tournament. Better win the conference championship.
Keep everything the same but beat Wisconsin its an RPI of 50 and SOS of 101. Need at least two in NYC, but probably three to be safe.
So yes, I think we need to go 12-6 in the Big East to make the tourney. If not, we pretty much have to win the whole damn NYC tourney.
Also, a 13-7 record almost guarantees we will end up as a 4 or 5 seed in NYC. Meaning Villanova will likely be waiting for us in the second round. I think we could play Nova 100 times and maybe win four or five times.
Thanks for the thoroughness. You put me squarely on the 12-6 bandwagon.
Over the past few years, Ive gotten the general sense that the committee puts a high weight on SOS.
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Play around with RPI Wizard. It's not pretty.
If we lose to Wisconsin, go 8-0 against SH/DPL/SJU/CREI, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 4-4 against the rest (winning at home, losing away) our RPI ends up at 52 with a SOS of 101. That would have me shaking on selection Sunday. Probably need at least 2 in NYC, three to be safe.
If everything stays the same but we beat Wisconsin (a tall order) its 36 RPI and a SOS of 100. RPI looks good but the SOS worries me. Need to win one in NYC to be safe.
Lose to Wisconsin, 6-0 against the basement, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 5-5 verus the middle gets us a 59 RPI and 101 SOS. Not getting into the tournament. Better win the conference championship.
Keep everything the same but beat Wisconsin its an RPI of 50 and SOS of 101. Need at least two in NYC, but probably three to be safe.
So yes, I think we need to go 12-6 in the Big East to make the tourney. If not, we pretty much have to win the whole damn NYC tourney.
Also, a 13-7 record almost guarantees we will end up as a 4 or 5 seed in NYC. Meaning Villanova will likely be waiting for us in the second round. I think we could play Nova 100 times and maybe win four or five times.
Great post and does a great job stating what many of us have been saying. Those thinking 11-7 in the Big East makes us a lock are just not looking at the numbers thoroughly enough. I think 23 wins will give us a good shot. Even that will have us still on the bubble, but on the more comfortable side. 24+ should make us a lock. Seems like a lot to ask for a young team.
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Play around with RPI Wizard. It's not pretty.
If we lose to Wisconsin, go 8-0 against SH/DPL/SJU/CREI, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 4-4 against the rest (winning at home, losing away) our RPI ends up at 52 with a SOS of 101. That would have me shaking on selection Sunday. Probably need at least 2 in NYC, three to be safe.
If everything stays the same but we beat Wisconsin (a tall order) its 36 RPI and a SOS of 100. RPI looks good but the SOS worries me. Need to win one in NYC to be safe.
Lose to Wisconsin, 6-0 against the basement, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 5-5 verus the middle gets us a 59 RPI and 101 SOS. Not getting into the tournament. Better win the conference championship.
Keep everything the same but beat Wisconsin its an RPI of 50 and SOS of 101. Need at least two in NYC, but probably three to be safe.
So yes, I think we need to go 12-6 in the Big East to make the tourney. If not, we pretty much have to win the whole damn NYC tourney.
Also, a 13-7 record almost guarantees we will end up as a 4 or 5 seed in NYC. Meaning Villanova will likely be waiting for us in the second round. I think we could play Nova 100 times and maybe win four or five times.
I have been one of the biggest naysayers of this years non-conference schedule. It sucks and puts us in a huge hole. But I have a very very hard time believing that a 22-11 (12-6) Big East team isn't a stone cold lock. Especially with the parity around hoops. Lots of teams are going to have lots of losses.
Plus, how useful is the RPI wizard at this juncture? I don't anticipate any of our dreadful opponents to vastly improve from last year, but you never know. I think 11-7 probably gets us in (definitely if we beat Wisconsin), 12-6 or better were a lock. I do understand that our OOC SOS will be very poor - I've been harping on that since the schedule was released.
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I have changed my rooting habits. Kansas St was playing a ranked team a few days ago and they were leading. Normally, I would root for the unranked team. However, it occurred to me if we are going to finish with an RPI in the low 50's I need to root for the ranked teams to win. Kansas St. winning that game could hurt MU's chances. A big part of our chances of making the tournament is going to depend on the resumes of teams ranked around us.
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Play around with RPI Wizard. It's not pretty.
If we lose to Wisconsin, go 8-0 against SH/DPL/SJU/CREI, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 4-4 against the rest (winning at home, losing away) our RPI ends up at 52 with a SOS of 101. That would have me shaking on selection Sunday. Probably need at least 2 in NYC, three to be safe.
If everything stays the same but we beat Wisconsin (a tall order) its 36 RPI and a SOS of 100. RPI looks good but the SOS worries me. Need to win one in NYC to be safe.
Lose to Wisconsin, 6-0 against the basement, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 5-5 verus the middle gets us a 59 RPI and 101 SOS. Not getting into the tournament. Better win the conference championship.
Keep everything the same but beat Wisconsin its an RPI of 50 and SOS of 101. Need at least two in NYC, but probably three to be safe.
So yes, I think we need to go 12-6 in the Big East to make the tourney. If not, we pretty much have to win the whole damn NYC tourney.
Also, a 13-7 record almost guarantees we will end up as a 4 or 5 seed in NYC. Meaning Villanova will likely be waiting for us in the second round. I think we could play Nova 100 times and maybe win four or five times.
You need to account for the RPI changes that would happen in NYC. In any of the scenarios, if we win 1 or 2 in NYC and then lose to a good team, our RPI will jump.
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BTW, that "good loss" to Belmont is looking worse and worse. They are 5-4 and lost to Valparaiso last night.
If Marquette doesn't make the tournament this year, I think greater blame lies with the Belmont loss and the crapping of the bed v. Iowa. Not the "bad wins" versus the like of Grambling.
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BTW, that "good loss" to Belmont is looking worse and worse. They are 5-4 and lost to Valparaiso last night.
If Marquette doesn't make the tournament this year, I think greater blame lies with the Belmont loss and the crapping of the bed v. Iowa. Not the "bad wins" versus the like of Grambling.
Funny - I am going to blame it on a young team that isn't quite ready for the challenge of a real schedule. Who knows how this all sorts out by the end of the year....frankly my hope is that by the middle of BEast season we look like a team ready to handle a tougher lineup of competitors.
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BTW, that "good loss" to Belmont is looking worse and worse. They are 5-4 and lost to Valparaiso last night.
If Marquette doesn't make the tournament this year, I think greater blame lies with the Belmont loss and the crapping of the bed v. Iowa. Not the "bad wins" versus the like of Grambling.
Doubt it. The first game of the season will mean very little, if anything, in the whole scheme of things. Our play in Jan-March will have far more to do with our chances that a loss to Belmont in the first game of the season.
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To make the tournament, I honestly think we need to go 6-0 against St. John's, Depaul, and Seton Hall. Because I don't think we can hope for much better than 6-6 against the remaining six teams in the BEast.
I agree with this.
Also I think Arizona State could possibly be a good win for us. They face #18 saturday. TAMU do you have any view to this game.
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Play around with RPI Wizard. It's not pretty.
If we lose to Wisconsin, go 8-0 against SH/DPL/SJU/CREI, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 4-4 against the rest (winning at home, losing away) our RPI ends up at 52 with a SOS of 101. That would have me shaking on selection Sunday. Probably need at least 2 in NYC, three to be safe.
If everything stays the same but we beat Wisconsin (a tall order) its 36 RPI and a SOS of 100. RPI looks good but the SOS worries me. Need to win one in NYC to be safe.
Lose to Wisconsin, 6-0 against the basement, 0-2 vs. Nova, and 5-5 verus the middle gets us a 59 RPI and 101 SOS. Not getting into the tournament. Better win the conference championship.
Keep everything the same but beat Wisconsin its an RPI of 50 and SOS of 101. Need at least two in NYC, but probably three to be safe.
So yes, I think we need to go 12-6 in the Big East to make the tourney. If not, we pretty much have to win the whole damn NYC tourney.
Also, a 13-7 record almost guarantees we will end up as a 4 or 5 seed in NYC. Meaning Villanova will likely be waiting for us in the second round. I think we could play Nova 100 times and maybe win four or five times.
So in other words, you expect this year to be very much unlike the prior two seasons.
First, lets start with the redundancy of citing both RPI and SOS. SOS is already completely baked into the RPI. A strong SOS doesn't make a 52 RPI any better, nor does a weak schedule make it worse. 52 is 52.
Second, RPI is only one factor used to select teams. At-large teams with ranks in the upper 50's (and even 60's) are selected every year. The ones left out have poor conference performance or are from a weak conference.
To wit, last year's NCAA exclusions with RPI above 50 are:
#54 Green Bay - Weak conference
#56 La. Tech - Weak conference
#47 Richmond - Weak Conference
#59 Stanford - 10-10 in conference
LSU and Mississippi both made it with an RPI of 58 and 60 respectively and conference records of 11-8, which is 11-7 in conference with first-round losses.
Unless you consider the Big East to be a weak conference (which by the RPI it won't be), even a game over .500 should put us firmly in the field if our RPI is anywhere north of 60.
Your worst case scenario of an 11-7 record and an RPI of 59 is likely good enough to make the tourney, even if we lose the first game in the Big East tournament. It would give us an RPI profile almost identical to LSU and Mississippi last year--except the Big East is a stronger conference than the SEC.
You MIGHT have to worry if we go 10-8 and lose the first game in the BET. But that would put us on the bubble regardless of SOS.
BTW, strong SOS provides no guarantee of ameliorating mediocre conference performance. Minnesota two years ago had the #9 SOS and RPI of 48--and didn't make the tournament. Why? Because they had a losing record in their Big Ten games. Their #9 SOS did NOTHING to save them from an otherwise undeserving conference record.
The bottom line is that an undeserving record won't get you in despite SOS
And a deserving conference record will get you one regardless of SOS.
The ONLY thing we have to worry abut is winning 11 or more conference games.
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Doubt it. The first game of the season will mean very little, if anything, in the whole scheme of things. Our play in Jan-March will have far more to do with our chances that a loss to Belmont in the first game of the season.
Well sure if we go 14-4 in conference everything is going to be fine. But RPI is based on the total schedule. It isn't weighted on when we lost. So if MU goes 11-7, and ends up on the outside, the loss to Belmont is going to be a problem. It is a bad loss.
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St. John's lost to Fordham. Should be an interesting battle between SJU and DePaul for the basement.
This is funny. Two weeks ago after Iowa, multiple posters in this forum were of no doubt that the Johnnies were better then Marquette.
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I agree with this.
Also I think Arizona State could possibly be a good win for us. They face #18 saturday. TAMU do you have any view to this game.
If Marquette can beat Arizona State on a nuetral floor, TAMU can beat them on their own floor. The Aggies have a veteran point guard, some young but dominate posts, and are shooting 40% from three. If ASU can pull off the upset I'd be surprised.
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Equalizer,
You make a lot of good points. I don't pretend to know what the selection committee will focus on when it comes time. It just seems to me that that a team with 59 RPI and its most significant wins being GTWN, BUT, and XAV at home would have some things to worry about. I wouldn't feel confident.
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Creighton could be our competition for a 5th bid out of the Big East. Yeah, yeah, team's get bids, not conferences. But if the selection committee is debating between us and Creighton, this could help us a little. Now we just need to beat Creighton twice.
Creighton will not be in competition for the fifth spot in the conference. Right now that spot looks to belong to Providence, hopefully with MU in hot pursuit.
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I have been one of the biggest naysayers of this years non-conference schedule. It sucks and puts us in a huge hole. But I have a very very hard time believing that a 22-11 (12-6) Big East team isn't a stone cold lock. Especially with the parity around hoops. Lots of teams are going to have lots of losses.
Plus, how useful is the RPI wizard at this juncture? I don't anticipate any of our dreadful opponents to vastly improve from last year, but you never know. I think 11-7 probably gets us in (definitely if we beat Wisconsin), 12-6 or better were a lock. I do understand that our OOC SOS will be very poor - I've been harping on that since the schedule was released.
We're halfway through non-conference, so RPI Wizard is actually at the point where it does have some use. Now granted, if 4-5 of our cupcakes turn into competitors for their league titles that could change things, but there is some value. Admittedly, the longer the season goes, the more accurate it becomes.
Your worst case scenario of an 11-7 record and an RPI of 59 is likely good enough to make the tourney, even if we lose the first game in the Big East tournament. It would give us an RPI profile almost identical to LSU and Mississippi last year--except the Big East is a stronger conference than the SEC.
You MIGHT have to worry if we go 10-8 and lose the first game in the BET. But that would put us on the bubble regardless of SOS.
BTW, strong SOS provides no guarantee of ameliorating mediocre conference performance. Minnesota two years ago had the #9 SOS and RPI of 48--and didn't make the tournament. Why? Because they had a losing record in their Big Ten games. Their #9 SOS did NOTHING to save them from an otherwise undeserving conference record.
The bottom line is that an undeserving record won't get you in despite SOS
And a deserving conference record will get you one regardless of SOS.
The ONLY thing we have to worry abut is winning 11 or more conference games.
Right now, I feel like total wins is a better metric, with 22 being the minimum for an at-large and 23 likely making us a lock. If we lose to Wisconsin and go 11-7 in league while losing our first BET game, we will likely have an RPI in the 70s. That won't get it done. Lose to Wisconsin but go 12-6 in league and lose our first BET game, RPI goes up to 59 and we at least have a shot. Beat Wisconsin, go 11-7, lose first BET game, also a 59 RPI. Lose to Wisconsin, go 11-7 in league, win one BET game, RPI 60 at least gives us a shot. Beat Wisconsin, go 11-7, win one BET game, have a RPI 50 and likely be a lock.
Simply, 21 total wins likely won't be enough, 22 total wins will have us squarely on the bubble with a chance to get in, 23 or more wins and we should be in.
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So in other words, you expect this year to be very much unlike the prior two seasons.
First, lets start with the redundancy of citing both RPI and SOS. SOS is already completely baked into the RPI. A strong SOS doesn't make a 52 RPI any better, nor does a weak schedule make it worse. 52 is 52.
Second, RPI is only one factor used to select teams. At-large teams with ranks in the upper 50's (and even 60's) are selected every year. The ones left out have poor conference performance or are from a weak conference.
To wit, last year's NCAA exclusions with RPI above 50 are:
#54 Green Bay - Weak conference
#56 La. Tech - Weak conference
#47 Richmond - Weak Conference
#59 Stanford - 10-10 in conference
LSU and Mississippi both made it with an RPI of 58 and 60 respectively and conference records of 11-8, which is 11-7 in conference with first-round losses.
Unless you consider the Big East to be a weak conference (which by the RPI it won't be), even a game over .500 should put us firmly in the field if our RPI is anywhere north of 60.
Your worst case scenario of an 11-7 record and an RPI of 59 is likely good enough to make the tourney, even if we lose the first game in the Big East tournament. It would give us an RPI profile almost identical to LSU and Mississippi last year--except the Big East is a stronger conference than the SEC.
You MIGHT have to worry if we go 10-8 and lose the first game in the BET. But that would put us on the bubble regardless of SOS.
BTW, strong SOS provides no guarantee of ameliorating mediocre conference performance. Minnesota two years ago had the #9 SOS and RPI of 48--and didn't make the tournament. Why? Because they had a losing record in their Big Ten games. Their #9 SOS did NOTHING to save them from an otherwise undeserving conference record.
The bottom line is that an undeserving record won't get you in despite SOS
And a deserving conference record will get you one regardless of SOS.
The ONLY thing we have to worry abut is winning 11 or more conference games.
Nice post. I agree.
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The ONLY thing we have to worry abut is winning 11 or more conference games.
Hell, I worry about us winning against Maine.
I'm a worrywart from way back!
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Odd lines for tomorrow...
Georgetown is -5.5 vs Cuse and Providence is a dog vs Rhode Island. Go Big East!
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Creighton will not be in competition for the fifth spot in the conference. Right now that spot looks to belong to Providence, hopefully with MU in hot pursuit.
I was counting Providence as the 4th, so I guess that would make Georgetown as our potential competition for 5th.
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I was counting Providence as the 4th, so I guess that would make Georgetown as our potential competition for 5th.
Villanova still looks like the clear front runner, while Xavier looks like a pretty convincing number two. After that, I think it's a logjam. Not sure much separation there is between Butler, Providence, Georgetown, Marquette, Creighton, and maybe even Seton Hall if Whitehead can be a team player against decent teams. Not at all sold on the Pirates, as I figure any Kevin Willard team is a trainwreck waiting to happen, but they definitely have the talent to be in the mix for the middle of the league.
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I was counting Providence as the 4th, so I guess that would make Georgetown as our potential competition for 5th.
Providence has surprised me. I picked them as 6th in the conference preseason. Really nice jumps from Junior Lomomba and Bentil combined with Rodney Bullock and Ryan Fazekas making an immediate impact. As a rule, I don't trust teams that only go 7 deep in non-conference. One injury or early foul trouble and you can be in a world of hurt. In their one loss to Michigan State they had 5/7 players end with four fouls
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Georgetown quality win over Syracuse
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Villanova still looks like the clear front runner, while Xavier looks like a pretty convincing number two. After that, I think it's a logjam. Not sure much separation there is between Butler, Providence, Georgetown, Marquette, Creighton, and maybe even Seton Hall if Whitehead can be a team player against decent teams. Not at all sold on the Pirates, as I figure any Kevin Willard team is a trainwreck waiting to happen, but they definitely have the talent to be in the mix for the middle of the league.
I think you can safely put Creighton and Seton hall on the bottom tier. I fully expect to go 2-0 against Depaul, St. Johns, Seton Hall and Creighton.
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I think you can safely put Creighton and Seton hall on the bottom tier. I fully expect to go 2-0 against Depaul, St. Johns, Seton Hall and Creighton.
Century Link is a tough place to win at so I would not be surprised with a loss at Creighton. And to go 6-0 versus DePaul, St. John's, and Seton Hall with a lot of freshmen? I hope you are right but I think we go 5-1 at best. That would still be 6-2 versus the bottom teams. That is pretty good. Only have 5-5 versus the top clubs and we would be 11-7.
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Century Link is a tough place to win at so I would not be surprised with a loss at Creighton. And to go 6-0 versus DePaul, St. John's, and Seton Hall with a lot of freshmen? I hope you are right but I think we go 5-1 at best. That would still be 6-2 versus the bottom teams. That is pretty good. Only have 5-5 versus the top clubs and we would be 11-7.
Getting a lot of wins in the 8 games vs Gtown, Nova, Butler and X will be tough though.
I think we can split Prov at least.
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I think you can safely put Creighton and Seton hall on the bottom tier. I fully expect to go 2-0 against Depaul, St. Johns, Seton Hall and Creighton.
I don't think Creighton will win 10+ games, but I do think they'll get 7-8 wins, and not all of those will be against bottom feeders. They could very well get 4-5 key wins that ultimately cost a couple teams bids to the Tournament.
Seton Hall is an enigma. They have done pretty well against their schedule, picking up a few decent wins with only one bad loss (though on a neutral court). If they beat Wichita State and can win out in non-con, 9-9 in Big East play would get them in the conversation. They have the talent to do that, just not sure they have the coaching.
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If we go 11-7 in BE we will make the tourney. Book it.
I don't think it happens though.
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Another good day for the Big East today. Georgetown win was a big plus and Providence beat their instate rival Rhode Island.
League is now 57-18
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Georgetown quality win over Syracuse
Not sure how good the Cuse is this year
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If Marquette can beat Arizona State on a nuetral floor, TAMU can beat them on their own floor. The Aggies have a veteran point guard, some young but dominate posts, and are shooting 40% from three. If ASU can pull off the upset I'd be surprised.
Hmmmm
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Big East is #1 in the RPI as of today
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Creighton lost at Loyola today and looked awful.
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Hmmmm
Yeah tonight was a bit rough for the Ags. Went absolutely ice cold against the Sun Devils. We've been shooting 40% from deep all season and went 6-26 tonight. Even our free throw shooting was atrocious. 10-21? Embarrassingly bad performance. They'll bounce back. Just a really bad shooting night.
But it was a win win for me. A&M's loss is Marquette's gain!
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Yeah tonight was a bit rough for the Ags. Went absolutely ice cold against the Sun Devils. We've been shooting 40% from deep all season and went 6-26 tonight. Even our free throw shooting was atrocious. 10-21? Embarrassingly bad performance. They'll bounce back. Just a really bad shooting night.
But it was a win win for me. A&M's loss is Marquette's gain!
I thought ASU was looking good and will ultimately be seen as a quality win for us. They have some quickness and Hurley is a winning coach.
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I thought ASU was looking good and will ultimately be seen as a quality win for us. They have some quickness and Hurley is a winning coach.
They'll also get former juco all American torian Graham pretty soon here. Midseason transfer that's never played a d1 gave before. Had a McKay like situation
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Nova is 5.5 point favorites for tomorrow's top ten showdown with Oklahoma. Vegas showing the Big East and Nova some respect with that line!
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Nova is 5.5 point favorites for tomorrow's top ten showdown with Oklahoma. Vegas showing the Big East and Nova some respect with that line!
Looking forward to watching this game.
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Big East doing well in the polls: 4 solidly in each.
Coaches poll
6. Villanova
13. Xavier
18. Providence
21. Butler
35. Georgetown
AP Poll
9. Villanova
12. Xavier
15. Providence
18. Butler
35. Georgetown
Barring any major slumps, all four should likely still be ranked by the time conference play rolls around--and they play each other in their BE openers for some great conference visibility on NYE (X v. Nova; Butler v. PC). Maybe a chance Georgetown sneaks into Top 25 with 5 winnable games leading into their opener against DePaul.
There should be a lot of great opportunities for some signature wins during conference.
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Villanova will drop. Needed a better showing than that against Oklahoma. Butler and Georgetown took care of business against cupcakes.
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White T-shirts for Nova tomorrow. 4-29 from 3 pt.
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Was a disappointing loss for Villanova. They got spanked. 4-32 from 3 point really hurt them. Oklahoma was more athletic as well.
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I hope Villanova is that bad chucking up threes against us.
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Nova did not look good at all. XU might be best of the BE.
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I hope Villanova is that bad chucking up threes against us.
Reminded me of us earlier in the year. Wow that was a horrific display.
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Was a disappointing loss for Villanova. They got spanked. 4-32 from 3 point really hurt them. Oklahoma was more athletic as well.
Wow. I musta lost count. Awful tonight.
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Standard bearer getting beat down on a neutral floor. Never a good thing for a conference.
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I thought ASU was looking good and will ultimately be seen as a quality win for us. They have some quickness and Hurley is a winning coach.
They're starting to get some love http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25404295/observations-bobby-hurley-has-arizona-state-on-right-track (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25404295/observations-bobby-hurley-has-arizona-state-on-right-track)
I hope it continues
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Boston College might have to forfeit against Providence Wednesday, 8 (possibly 10) players are sick from e-coli they picked up at a Chipotle
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Boston College might have to forfeit against Providence Wednesday, 8 (possibly 10) players are sick from e-coli they picked up at a Chipotle
Gotta stick with Qdoba. Just ask Davante.
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Boston College might have to forfeit against Providence Wednesday, 8 (possibly 10) players are sick from e-coli they picked up at a Chipotle
A win is a win. We will take it.
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A win is a win. We will take it.
For here or to go?
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Xavier good win over Wright State
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Boston College might have to forfeit against Providence Wednesday, 8 (possibly 10) players are sick from e-coli they picked up at a Chipotle
E. Cooley v. E Coli?
Not my original work
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Gotta stick with Qdoba. Just ask Davante.
OR Vander, especially at 130 in the morning.
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Would like to see Creighton beat Nebraska tonight. Should be a fun game.
DePaul is at Drake tonight as well. Would like to see DePaul steal a road win. Would be helpful for RPI if they could.
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Would like to see Creighton beat Nebraska tonight. Should be a fun game.
DePaul is at Drake tonight as well. Would like to see DePaul steal a road win. Would be helpful for RPI if they could.
Looks like both are locking up wins tonight--two decent wins for possibly the two bottom teams in the league. Providence flushed BC (pun intended) and St. John's outlasted Niagara.
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Nice - bottom of te league getting some nice wins with Creighton over Nebraska and DePaul over Drake - goooood stuff
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Really good to see the bottom of the league performing well. Rack up as many wins as possible pre conference. We are 67-19 overall.
I would like to see as many teams as possible with 10 or more wins prior to conference play. Especially the bottom half teams. I think we can get there for sure after we take into account Stetson , which comes after the league play starts. A win over the Badgers would of course get us there sooner. Seton Hall would need to win all four of their remaining non conference. If they do so that would include one over Wichita State. Creighton has 3 more winnable but would have to beat Oklahoma again this year to get to 10 . Georgetown has four more till conference play and then U Conn in January. So possible for them to get to 10. Depaul has 4 more of which 3 are tough Northwestern, Stanford and George Washington. If they could steal one of those that would be fine. St. Johns has 4 more , two tough Syracuse and South Carolina.
In one of the Fox pregame shows , Steve Lavin was quoted as saying based on power ranking of the league it looks like 6 bids again.
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Seton Hall gets a win over Troy only game of the evening.
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Do we have the best conference winning % for non-conference play?
Right now we are 2nd in conference RPI
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
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Still 3rd via kenpom
1 Big 12 Conference .8254
2 Atlantic Coast Conference .8179
3 Big East Conference .7822
4 Big Ten Conference .7761
5 Pac 12 Conference .7572
6 Southeastern Conference .7397
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Providence gets the win over Bryant without Dunn.
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Let's go X.
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X up big early, started out 10-1 before the first Cincy field goal. 13-3 5 minutes in.
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Xavier is really good.
Up 16 at half
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Xavier is really good.
Up 16 at half
And now it's 6.
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And now it's 6.
And back to 11...
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Very good win for Xavier tonight against Cincy . They are getting a lot of respect for their performance so far this year.
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DePaul getting hammered by Little Rock in their little on campus gym.
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DePaul getting hammered by Little Rock in their little on campus gym.
A great example of why DePaul can't get any traction. Would have been a nice chance to rack up a win versus an undefeated team. At home in the bandbox gym. Yet they can't even sell out a 3,000 seat on campus arena on a Saturday night and are getting spanked. The announcers even think it is embarrassing for DePaul. I have no idea who is going to go to games in their new arena.
At least the rest of the league did well today. Butler had a nice win over Tennessee as well.
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At what point does DePaul start getting in trouble for being so bad? I know they beat us last year...But last year was probably as bad as MU has been in 2 decades. This DePaul program is simply embarrassing.
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DePaul getting hammered by Little Rock in their little on campus gym.
To be fair, UALR also has road wins at San Diego State and Tulsa, both teams that came into the season with NCAA aspirations. The Blue Demons aren't close to the best team UALR has defeated on the road. DePaul should be better (at least competitive) at home, but this is year one of Leitao taking over the dumpster fire that Purnell left behind. Not saying I think Leitao is a great (or even good, or even adequate) hire, but it's hard to lay too much blame at his feet right now.
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To be fair, UALR also has road wins at San Diego State and Tulsa, both teams that came into the season with NCAA aspirations. The Blue Demons aren't close to the best team UALR has defeated on the road. DePaul should be better (at least competitive) at home, but this is year one of Leitao taking over the dumpster fire that Purnell left behind. Not saying I think Leitao is a great (or even good, or even adequate) hire, but it's hard to lay too much blame at his feet right now.
Leitao is actually a pretty good coach. Not sure if his recruiting will be as good as his first stint at DePaul but if he can get some talent there he will be okay.
One thing I remember about Leitao is his disparaging remarks about Marquette and Crean on various Chicago radio stations. The guy comes off as a arrogant ass which is why I loved how poorly he did at Virginia. A little come-uppance for the attitude.
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To be fair, UALR also has road wins at San Diego State and Tulsa, both teams that came into the season with NCAA aspirations. The Blue Demons aren't close to the best team UALR has defeated on the road. DePaul should be better (at least competitive) at home, but this is year one of Leitao taking over the dumpster fire that Purnell left behind. Not saying I think Leitao is a great (or even good, or even adequate) hire, but it's hard to lay too much blame at his feet right now.
Dumpster fire? I don't claim that I follow DePaul closely but I do live in Chicago. I thought Purnell was doing a decent job given the inherent limitations. Not that I'm blaming Leitao but they looked terrible last night.
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Dumpster fire? I don't claim that I follow DePaul closely but I do live in Chicago. I thought Purnell was doing a decent job given the inherent limitations. Not that I'm blaming Leitao but they looked terrible last night.
It may not all be Purnell's fault, but there's no way around that program being a shambles. JLP is as much to blame as anyone, and she's still there, but it's a terrible situation Purnell left behind regardless.
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It may not all be Purnell's fault, but there's no way around that program being a shambles. JLP is as much to blame as anyone, and she's still there, but it's a terrible situation Purnell left behind regardless.
That's where I'd put the responsibility. Coach K couldn't win there with her.
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The Johnnies are up 9 on Syracuse with 6 to play!
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St. Johns beats "New York's College Team" by 12
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The Johnnies are up 9 on Syracuse with 6 to play!
Said two weeks ago, Syracuse is a fraud and it's looking more and more like that.
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Johnnies won. Nice win for Mullin and Company in the Garden. They have some momentum.
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Big East looking more and more like the best conference in the country.
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And this has to help everyone's RPI, right?
On the halftime show they were talking about fully 7 teams competing for an NCAA bid and 9 teams potentially being post season worthy. Only DePaul was deemed fully unworthy.
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St. Johns beats "New York's College Team" by 12
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Body blow to the Cuse ego right there. Love it.
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Villanova and Seton Hall pick up some victories in addition to the Johnnies. Seton Hall has an opportunity to pick up a quality win next Saturday against Wichita State.
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Villanova and Seton Hall pick up some victories in addition to the Johnnies. Seton Hall has an opportunity to pick up a quality win next Saturday against Wichita State.
Really too bad they didn't play Wichita State a week ago. They are fully healthy now and are a tough team.
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Big East 9-1 this weekend. Looking at you Depaul...
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Body blow to the Cuse ego right there. Love it.
Yes, and much like Jean-Claude's move there, many of the Johnnie foul calls in this game were from barely any contact.
Cuse also had just nine assists on 24 made baskets. That's... not very good.
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Love that the Johnnie's win over Cuse also cheapens Wisconsins only really good win thus far. I really hope UW doesn't make the tournament.
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No games tonight. MU has exams this week .
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Love that the Johnnie's win over Cuse also cheapens Wisconsins only really good win thus far. I really hope UW doesn't make the tournament.
Temple also lost to St.Joes to fall to 4-5...Keep on losing VCU, Syracuse, and Temple!
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Temple also lost to St.Joes to fall to 4-5...Keep on losing VCU, Syracuse, and Temple!
Doesn't Wisconsin continuing to lose weaken our win over them?
I want them to beat Purdue, MSU, IU, etc.--strengthens our win.
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Temple also lost to St.Joes to fall to 4-5...Keep on losing VCU, Syracuse, and Temple!
I hate Wisconsin, but that's looking like our most valuable resume builder right now. I'll pull for the Big East against any team outside the league, but I definitely want the rest of Wisconsin's opponents to do as well as possible for our sake.
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Doesn't Wisconsin continuing to lose weaken our win over them?
I want them to beat Purdue, MSU, IU, etc.--strengthens our win.
Yes...but even knowing this I can't bring myself to cheer for the vadgers.
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I hate Wisconsin, but that's looking like our most valuable resume builder right now. I'll pull for the Big East against any team outside the league, but I definitely want the rest of Wisconsin's opponents to do as well as possible for our sake.
I agree with this analysis. Although in the case of the Johnnies and Syracuse it is still better for the league and us that they won.
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Doesn't Wisconsin continuing to lose weaken our win over them?
I want them to beat Purdue, MSU, IU, etc.--strengthens our win.
it does. but I don't care. there will never be a game I cheer for the rodents.
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That's where I'd put the responsibility. Coach K couldn't win there with her.
Personally I think a smart coach would do what that coach at st johns tried to do for 2011. Just make an unreal senior laden class so you make the tournament even if it's one year and you turn into a dumpster again. Just so they can try to build off of that.
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Personally I think a smart coach would do what that coach at st johns tried to do for 2011. Just make an unreal senior laden class so you make the tournament even if it's one year and you turn into a dumpster again. Just so they can try to build off of that.
The only way DePaul can presently compete is to utilize the strategy you outline above. Get as many JUCO , transfers and Grad transfers as possible. They really need a young coach with local ties in the long run.
In the meantime if they can get a few more wins this non conference it would be great.
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Big East 9-1 this weekend. Looking at you Depaul...
Sleeping giant.
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Seton Hall beating Wichita St would be huge - lotta of national love for them now that Van Vleet is back - Nova plays Virginia on the road - probably the biggest game - Creighton has a chance to take down Oklahoma on the road - DePaul plays a 9-1 Northwestern team at home and GTown can take some more shine off Monmouth
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Seton Hall beating Wichita St would be huge - lotta of national love for them now that Van Vleet is back - Nova plays Virginia on the road - probably the biggest game - Creighton has a chance to take down Oklahoma on the road - DePaul plays a 9-1 Northwestern team at home and GTown can take some more shine off Monmouth
Definitely a big week ahead if we can snatch a couple of wins.
Xavier 10 10 Villanova 12 13 Providence 14 14 Butler 17 18 in AP/coaches
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Seton Hall beating Wichita St would be huge - lotta of national love for them now that Van Vleet is back - Nova plays Virginia on the road - probably the biggest game - Creighton has a chance to take down Oklahoma on the road - DePaul plays a 9-1 Northwestern team at home and GTown can take some more shine off Monmouth
Missed Butler vs Purdue - two ranked teams on a neutral court.
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Missed Butler vs Purdue - two ranked teams on a neutral court.
This is a very big game for Butler and the conference. Having Purdue emerge again as a strong Big Ten team makes this a strong every two years rivalry game for Butler.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2015/12/14/big-12-big-east-are-deep-deadly-and-ready-to-dominate-college-basketball/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2015/12/14/big-12-big-east-are-deep-deadly-and-ready-to-dominate-college-basketball/)
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The only way DePaul can presently compete is to utilize the strategy you outline above. Get as many JUCO , transfers and Grad transfers as possible. They really need a young coach with local ties in the long run.
In the meantime if they can get a few more wins this non conference it would be great.
I agree about the local coach. Ideally they'd just grab that coach from Simeon HS.
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it does. but I don't care. there will never be a game I cheer for the rodents.
Same. If the difference between the NCAA and the NIT is whether or not the Badgers have a good season, then we don't belong in anyway. That badger team sucked and they will struggle to be 500 this year. I wouldn't get my hopes up that the win over them will be a "quality" one at the end of the year...unfortunately.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2015/12/14/big-12-big-east-are-deep-deadly-and-ready-to-dominate-college-basketball/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2015/12/14/big-12-big-east-are-deep-deadly-and-ready-to-dominate-college-basketball/)
Excellent article for our conference and MU
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Nice to be back in the National Title conversation.
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Am I a bad person to be rooting for Monmouth tonight against Georgetown? There bench is awesome.
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Am I a bad person to be rooting for Monmouth tonight against Georgetown? There bench is awesome.
In short, yes. I will be curious to see how they do now that scouting reports are out against their players, system, etc.
They did recently lose to a 3-6 Canisius team so I'm not holding my breath.
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Same. If the difference between the NCAA and the NIT is whether or not the Badgers have a good season, then we don't belong in anyway. That badger team sucked and they will struggle to be 500 this year. I wouldn't get my hopes up that the win over them will be a "quality" one at the end of the year...unfortunately.
All road wins are quality wins. Most home losses are bad losses.
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All road wins are quality wins. Most home losses are bad losses.
I agree with this analysis.
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Monmouth playing well versus Georgetown
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Georgetown got spanked by Monmouth.
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Depaul lost to Stanford which was expected. No Big East games until Friday.
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Wow. I guess that Syracuse game was 100 years ago. Incarnate Word kicking the crap out of the Johnnies. That's Incarnate Word, not Iowa.
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Wow. I guess that Syracuse game was 100 years ago. Incarnate Word kicking the crap out of the Johnnies. That's Incarnate Word, not Iowa.
Hopefully they will learn they need to bring their A game every game.
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Hopefully they will learn they need to bring their A game every game.
Mullin has been useless on the sideline. This started in the first half. He's done nothing.
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Xavier spanking Bruce Pearl and Auburn,Xavier up by 16 second half.
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Xavier spanking Bruce Pearl and Auburn up by 16 second half.
Watch your punctuation, man. Is Auburn really up by 16?
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Watch your punctuation, man. Is Auburn really up by 16?
More importantly, is Xavier spanking himself???
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Nice win for the Hall!
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Nice win for the Hall!
Huge W. Almost makes up for the Johnnies losing to Incarnate Word last night... by a lot.
I'm a little torn in this Depaul/NW matchup. They're my fav Big10 team and I'd like to see the tournament streak broken.
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Watch your punctuation, man. Is Auburn really up by 16?
Noted
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Huge W. Almost makes up for the Johnnies losing to Incarnate Word last night... by a lot.
I'm a little torn in this Depaul/NW matchup. They're my fav Big10 team and I'd like to see the tournament streak broken.
Very good quality win for Hall. I want to see DePaul win for the Big East which benefits MU.
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Georgetown embarrassing the league again. JT3 letting us down.
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DePaul giving Northwestern all it can handle . Up 2 with 17:32 left in the game.
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Wow Georgetown, just wow....
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DePaul giving Northwestern all it can handle . Up 2 with 17:32 left in the game.
Henry is quite the player.
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Henry is quite the player.
Going into OT.
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Glad Butler is taking it to Purdue but.......man are they harassing a very good big front line (not quite as big as the Ivory's but....grumble), they have the most active hands i've seen in a while, and we're going to have to play more than 7 against them.
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Glad Butler is taking it to Purdue but.......man are they harassing a very good big front line (not quite as big as the Ivory's but....grumble), they have the most active hands i've seen in a while, and we're going to have to play more than 7 against them.
Butler looking very good. Hopefully, Chrabascz injury not bad.
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Swanigan can hit 3's made two in row down stretch. Butler lead cut to 3.
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Butler wins 74-68
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When Myron Medcalf is singing praise for the BE you know the league is good......
Is the Big East the pound-for-pound king of college basketball?
Right now, yes. The conference might earn the crown that the Big Ten and Big 12 have traded in recent years. It’s a true gauntlet right now in the Big East. Saturday proved as much.
Xavier stayed perfect with a 24-point victory over Auburn. Butler scored 74 points against a Purdue team that’s ranked first in KenPom.com’s defensive efficiency ratings. Seton Hall defeated a Wichita State squad that was coming off a 17-point victory over Utah. Villanova lost to Virginia but never quit on the road against a national championship contender. Georgetown lost to UNC-Asheville on Saturday, and Incarnate Word defeated St. John’s on Friday, so it’s not all wonderful in the Big East. But with Marquette rising, Providence evolving into a more dangerous unit every week and the rest of conference prospering, this is clearly one of the strongest leagues in America.
Link to the full article http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/109807/chaotic-saturday-offers-march-madness-preview (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/109807/chaotic-saturday-offers-march-madness-preview)
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When Myron Medcalf is singing praise for the BE you know the league is good......
Is the Big East the pound-for-pound king of college basketball?
Right now, yes. The conference might earn the crown that the Big Ten and Big 12 have traded in recent years. It’s a true gauntlet right now in the Big East. Saturday proved as much.
Xavier stayed perfect with a 24-point victory over Auburn. Butler scored 74 points against a Purdue team that’s ranked first in KenPom.com’s defensive efficiency ratings. Seton Hall defeated a Wichita State squad that was coming off a 17-point victory over Utah. Villanova lost to Virginia but never quit on the road against a national championship contender. Georgetown lost to UNC-Asheville on Saturday, and Incarnate Word defeated St. John’s on Friday, so it’s not all wonderful in the Big East. But with Marquette rising, Providence evolving into a more dangerous unit every week and the rest of conference prospering, this is clearly one of the strongest leagues in America.
Link to the full article http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/109807/chaotic-saturday-offers-march-madness-preview (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/109807/chaotic-saturday-offers-march-madness-preview)
The Big East has a great format for success. The double round robin format has served to elevate the entire league. Our kids are battle tested and that is why we are seeing the success in the non conference schedule. My sense is that this will continue to drive recruiting success.
Marquette is in a great place with this league and now that we are moving back toward our historical trend the respect for the league is going to continue to grow . Give St. Johns a couple of years and they will be a big factor as well.
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I'm sorry, St. John's is baaaaaddddd. Mullin brings nothing to the table. These kids are under coached and undisciplined. Want to watch bad basketball? DePaul and St. John's these last 2-3 days. Coaching at this level matters.
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I'm sorry, St. John's is baaaaaddddd. Mullin brings nothing to the table. These are under coached and undisciplined. Want to watch bad basketball? DePaul and St. John's these last 2-3 days. Coaching at this level matters.
I have some level of hope. Leitao isn't a bad X&O coach. Not sure if his recruiting will be good anymore but he can coach. Mullin I am hoping grows into it much like O'Neill did. We shall see.
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I'm sorry, St. John's is baaaaaddddd. Mullin brings nothing to the table. These kids are under coached and undisciplined. Want to watch bad basketball? DePaul and St. John's these last 2-3 days. Coaching at this level matters.
You didn't watch the DePaul v Northwestern game yesterday? DePaul looked like a good team with some fight in them. Their shots didn't fall in OT, but crap happens.
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You didn't watch the DePaul v Northwestern game yesterday? DePaul looked like a good team with some fight in them. Their shots didn't fall in OT, but crap happens.
I did watch as was not particularly impressed.
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Dagger. If Wojo had lost to Incarnate Word and NJIT back to back to back many would be calling for his job. NJIT had NEVER beaten BEast team. Now they're like 1-21.
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Before the game I saw the line at SJU at -1.5. I thought that was an amazing line even given how poor St. John's is right now. I guess as always Vegas knows.
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Dagger. If Wojo had lost to Incarnate Word and NJIT back to back to back many would be calling for his job. NJIT had NEVER beaten BEast team. Now they're like 1-21.
St. Johns losing to NJIT was a disappointment. I do seem to remember we had a hard time with NJIT last year and also I remember NJIT giving St. Johns a competitive game last year. So in some respects, while it is thoroughly embarrassing , it may not be as bad as it looks. Although it looks pretty bad lol.
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Dagger. If Wojo had lost to Incarnate Word and NJIT back to back to back many would be calling for his job. NJIT had NEVER beaten BEast team. Now they're like 1-21.
NJIT is the favorite to win their league and has a good chance to be a top 150 team this year. Not as bad a loss as it might seem. Incarnate word on the other hand...
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Georgetown (D.C.), St. Johns (NY) and DePaul (Chicago) all struggling absolutely doesn't help the Big East. You need at least one of those schools competing for a top spot in the conference in a given year, and, this year, all three have performed poorly.
The Big East has really been saved by the strength and consistency of Xavier, Butler and Creighton (as a whole) since their arrivals in 2013. They really have carried the ship when a number of programs have struggled (Marquette included).
Long-term, they need to be better.
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Georgetown (D.C.), St. Johns (NY) and DePaul (Chicago) all struggling absolutely doesn't help the Big East. You need at least one of those schools competing for a top spot in the conference in a given year, and, this year, all three have performed poorly.
The Big East has really been saved by the strength and consistency of Xavier, Butler and Creighton (as a whole) since their arrivals in 2013. They really have carried the ship when a number of programs have struggled (Marquette included).
Long-term, they need to be better.
True, but don't forget... You need 5 years to judge a conference.
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NJIT had NEVER beaten BEast team. Now they're like 1-21.
Neither had Monmouth until they beat Georgetown. Now they're 1-30.
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Georgetown (D.C.), St. Johns (NY) and DePaul (Chicago) all struggling absolutely doesn't help the Big East. You need at least one of those schools competing for a top spot in the conference in a given year, and, this year, all three have performed poorly.
The Big East has really been saved by the strength and consistency of Xavier, Butler and Creighton (as a whole) since their arrivals in 2013. They really have carried the ship when a number of programs have struggled (Marquette included).
Long-term, they need to be better.
Are you talking about the strength or popularity of the league? Big East looks really solid so far.
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Georgetown (D.C.), St. Johns (NY) and DePaul (Chicago) all struggling absolutely doesn't help the Big East. You need at least one of those schools competing for a top spot in the conference in a given year, and, this year, all three have performed poorly.
The Big East has really been saved by the strength and consistency of Xavier, Butler and Creighton (as a whole) since their arrivals in 2013. They really have carried the ship when a number of programs have struggled (Marquette included).
Long-term, they need to be better.
Yes it is true that Xavier Butler and Creighton have been good additions. League has been strong across the board. Villanova, Providence also doing well. Seton Hall is emerging with some better players. Marquette is doing its part this year to make up for the last two years. St. Johns had a NCAA team last year. Obviously they are weak this year. The only team that is truly letting us all down is Georgetown. They do need to be better but they have had some moments.
Overall the league is doing well presently and on an uptrend for the future. The recruiting is bearing that out.
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Yes it is true that Xavier Butler and Creighton have been good additions. League has been strong across the board. Villanova, Providence also doing well. Seton Hall is emerging with some better players. Marquette is doing its part this year to make up for the last two years. St. Johns had a NCAA team last year. Obviously they are weak this year. The only team that is truly letting us all down is Georgetown. They do need to be better but they have had some moments.
Overall the league is doing well presently and on an uptrend for the future. The recruiting is bearing that out.
Sort of like when MU and others joined the BEast. Certainly, MU, Louisville and Cincy held their own over the years. Let's hope that the new batch of newbies keeps pace, and that MU becomes a regular at the top.
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NJIT is the favorite to win their league and has a good chance to be a top 150 team this year. Not as bad a loss as it might seem. Incarnate word on the other hand...
...is still in the transition phase from D2 to D1, but Pomeroy has them as second in their league to Stephen F Austin and one of only two teams in the Southland favored to beat SFA this year?
Neither are what you'd call good losses, but if you're going to give credit to NJIT, UIW deserves the same treatment. They are 160 in Pomeroy and project as a top-130 RPI team this year.
And if that's not enough, that's also the school Ian Markolf transferred to after he "lost his love for basketball" at Wisconsin. Any school that helps expose Bo Ryan's hypocrisy is good in my book.
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Big East Xavier 6 Butler 9 Providence 10 Nova 17 in AP. Looking good.
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Dagger. If Wojo had lost to Incarnate Word and NJIT back to back to back many would be calling for his job. NJIT had NEVER beaten BEast team. Now they're like 1-21.
NJIT's record came very close to being 2-20, if I remember last year correctly.
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NJIT's record came very close to being 2-20, if I remember last year correctly.
Only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
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I am at the Creighton North Texas game. Probably 15,000 in the seats. Great Venue.
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Nice road win for Providence over U Mass. 32 for Bentil.
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Big Game tonight in Winston Salem, Xavier at Wake Forest. Skip Prosser Classic series. Would be nice if Xavier could get another quality road win.
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Xavier up 7 6:33 left
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Georgetown looks like they're going to squeak past an awful Charlotte team.
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X with a huge 2nd half comeback. So far everyone else taking care of business. I'm guessing a 12 point loss for Depaul.
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Xavier up 7 6:33 left
Xavier wins while being down 15 at half. Heck of a comeback on the road. Sign of a great team to be able to respond like that.
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Very big win on the road for Xavier. Comeback is huge.
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DePaul up 14 over GW.......
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DePaul up 18...
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DePaul up 18...
against the #20 team in the country George Washington!
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If DePaul can steal a win it will be very good for the Big East
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And St J's hanging in there. Could be a huge day for the Big East.
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DePaul easily playing its best basketball of the season against a top quality opponent in GW. Shooting 62% from the field (including six threes doesn't hurt either).
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Everything is falling for DePaul. The sustainable part of this team is their fight, though. They aren't giving up like years past. They may not always make everything, but they will stay aggressive.
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DePaul does its part for the cause. Great job tonight in beating a quality team. No one should let their guard down. I have to laugh at the CBS sports guy Gary Parish who said tonight's game was free Christmas money
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25423411/george-washington-over-depaul-is-basically-free-money-for-christmas
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sustrightble
drunk?
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drunk?
You try posting the word sustainable and see how it works out for you.
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Went to the DePaul v GW game. In all stat areas, the teams were even, other than shooting percentage, which DePaul dominated. But I don't think it was a question of DePaul being crazy hot and GW being cold; rather, DePaul took better shots and worked its offense effectively, and DePaul stayed in front of GW most of the game on D (though a few more shots probably should have fallen for GW). Been to too many upsets in Rosemont. Good news was that MU wasn't playing them tonight.
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Went to the DePaul v GW game. In all stat areas, the teams were even, other than shooting percentage, which DePaul dominated. But I don't think it was a question of DePaul being crazy hot and GW being cold; rather, DePaul took better shots and worked its offense effectively, and DePaul stayed in front of GW most of the game on D (though a few more shots probably should have fallen for GW). Been to too many upsets in Rosemont. Good news was that MU wasn't playing them tonight.
Excellent point about the upsets. We have to view them as a bona fide competitor.
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drunk?
I wish. Trying out a new keyboard on my phone and I keep having snafus.
I have no idea how that word happened though. I can't reproduce it.
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I wish. Trying out a new keyboard on my phone and I keep having snafus.
I have no idea how that word happened though. I can't reproduce it.
It's because the mods have put in word swap when you use part of that word that 4ever made famous, heinna?
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Excellent point about the upsets. We have to view them as a bona fide competitor.
We have to view every team as a bona fide competitor.
We are good enough to beat every team in our conference ... and not so good that we are assured of beating any team in our conference.
My wife was putting together a scrapbook to give to my now-28-year-old son, and one of the pics was of him and his sister in full MU face paint on our way to a DePaul game ... that we ended up losing.
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Testing, 1, 2, sustainable, sustainable.
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Testing, 1, 2, sustrightble, sustrightble.
LOL!
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We have to view every team as a bona fide competitor.
We are good enough to beat every team in our conference ...
Are we? Im just curious what are you basing this upon? Our biggest wins are over unranked teams. Can we upset a Xavier? Butler? Nova? Providence? Maybe......but I cant say that we are good enough to win every one of these games. But, I guess we will see. I hope that you are right.
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Are we? Im just curious what are you basing this upon? Our biggest wins are over unranked teams. Can we upset a Xavier? Butler? Nova? Providence? Maybe......but I cant say that we are good enough to win every one of these games. But, I guess we will see. I hope that you are right.
I think its called "WIN EVERY DAY"
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Are we? Im just curious what are you basing this upon? Our biggest wins are over unranked teams. Can we upset a Xavier? Butler? Nova? Providence? Maybe......but I cant say that we are good enough to win every one of these games. But, I guess we will see. I hope that you are right.
I believe we are good enough to beat Xavier or Nova. I also believe DePaul can beat us.
I also hope I am right about the former -- and wrong about the latter!
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It's because the mods have put in word swap when you use part of that word that 4ever made famous, heinna?
That's not a sustA-I-N-Able way to run a message board, mods.
Pretty funny though.
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Oh good lord. Classic, power hungry liberal moderators. Trying to protect us from ourselves and making the country worse in the process.
This forum is exactly the same as a Mussolini-run Italy.
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Oh good lord. Classic, power hungry liberal moderators. Trying to protect us from ourselves and making the country worse in the process.
This forum is exactly the same as a Mussolini-run Italy.
(http://benmusso.weebly.com/uploads/1/4/9/0/14900388/890613.jpg?347)
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Oh good lord. Classic, power hungry liberal moderators. Trying to protect us from ourselves and making the country worse in the process.
This forum is exactly the same as a Mussolini-run Italy.
Careful, Skat. Some folks here can't figure it out if you don't hold their hand (use teal) :o
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Careful, Skat. Some folks here can't figure it out if you don't hold their hand (use teal) :o
Never use teal. It's a crutch for the weak-minded.
(http://i.imgur.com/yMLVFar.jpg)
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Never use teal. It's a crutch for the weak-minded.
(http://i.imgur.com/yMLVFar.jpg)
I'm with ya. The only time I use teal is to mock posters who use teal!
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I believe we are good enough to beat Xavier or Nova. I also believe DePaul can beat us.
I also hope I am right about the former -- and wrong about the latter!
I'm afraid you are likely right about both.
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(http://benmusso.weebly.com/uploads/1/4/9/0/14900388/890613.jpg?347)
I have this visual that in all Rocky family portraits the men are yelling
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Looks like Arizona State is having a quality season so far. Hopefully they will continue this progress and end up as a quality win for us.
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Big East Non Conference record 90-26. Conference power ranking number 2 in Real time RPI
http://realtimerpi.com/ncaab/conf_Men.html
The league should get a few more wins in the last couple of games. Will end up with 6 double digit win teams going into conference play.
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Big East Non Conference record 90-26. Conference power ranking number 2 in Real time RPI
http://realtimerpi.com/ncaab/conf_Men.html
The league should get a few more wins in the last couple of games. Will end up with 6 double digit win teams going into conference play.
Did you count the Stenson game? Others have a weird mid conference season OOC game as well such as Nova and at least one other that's slipping my mind.
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Nm
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Did you count the Stenson game? Others have a weird mid conference season OOC game as well such as Nova and at least one other that's slipping my mind.
Georgetown has UConn but I think there is one more as well.
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Here is the remainder of the Big East Non Conference Schedule
12/27 MU Presbyterian
12/28 Villanova Penn
Butler IUPUI
Creighton Coppin State
1/23 Georgetown U Conn
1/27 Marquette Stetson
2/17 Villanova Temple
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12/28 Creighton v. Coppin State
No double header for Butler that day.
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12/28 Creighton v. Coppin State
No double header for Butler that day.
Noted. Change made.
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Big East conf power ranking still Number per Real Time RPI
http://realtimerpi.com/ncaab/conf_Men.html
Interesting that the two top conferences, Big 12 and Big East have 10 teams and Double Round Robin Schedule format.
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AP Rankings
6. Xavier
9. Butler
12. Providence
16. Villanova
Not a bad way to start the conference season
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Villanova routing Penn. Butler routing IUPUI.
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Butler beats IUPUI by 40 ish. Transitive quality = .....
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Butler beats IUPUI by 40 ish. Transitive quality = .....
Transitive property*
Butler beats us by 40 in regulation. We beat IUPUI but it took us extra innings.
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Butler beats IUPUI by 40 ish. Transitive quality = .....
My lord. Their offense appears legit.
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Big East 94-26 entering conference play. Three more non conference games.
1/23 Georgetown U Conn
1/27 Marquette Stetson
2/17 Villanova Temple
The league is well positioned heading into conference play.