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GB Warrior

Quote from: Marcus92 on August 07, 2017, 12:23:33 PM
I'm not sure why anyone cares, honestly. What difference does it make? But because it's a debate that cannot possibly be won, I don't see an end in sight.

Conversely, it's impossible to lose. And perhaps we've just answered why people are willing to argue...

Pakuni

Quote from: Golden Avalanche on August 07, 2017, 12:50:29 PM
Everyone picks a hill to die on, no matter its inanity.

Welcome to the internet.

JD

Quote from: GB Warrior on August 07, 2017, 01:15:33 PM
Conversely, it's impossible to lose. And perhaps we've just answered why people are willing to argue...

That's deep
“I think everyone should go to college and get a degree and then spend six months as a bartender and six months as a cabdriver. Then they would really be educated.”

AL

Herman Cain

Caleb Stone-Carrawell 2019.  I think he has the potential to grow , really nice frame like his Dad.

https://twitter.com/JustinByerly/status/888876361695277056

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

brewcity77

Quote from: Jackie Moon on August 07, 2017, 10:21:08 PM
Caleb Stone-Carrawell 2019.  I think he has the potential to grow , really nice frame like his Dad.

https://twitter.com/JustinByerly/status/888876361695277056

2019-20 will potentially be Chris Carrawell's fifth season as a Marquette employee. If he is still here and his son came to Marquette, he would get free tuition and could walk-on. Might be the only time one of these "parents could take care of tuition" situations actually came to fruition.

DCHoopster

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 07, 2017, 10:40:15 PM
2019-20 will potentially be Chris Carrawell's fifth season as a Marquette employee. If he is still here and his son came to Marquette, he would get free tuition and could walk-on. Might be the only time one of these "parents could take care of tuition" situations actually came to fruition.

Where is the kid playing right now? 

Dawson Rental

Quote from: DCHoopster on August 07, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Where is the kid playing right now?

Cox Mill HS, Concord, NC

Plays with nationally ranked fellow rising junior, Wendell Moore.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

DCHoopster

Quote from: 4everCrean on August 08, 2017, 07:41:15 AM
Cox Mill HS, Concord, NC

Plays with nationally ranked fellow rising junior, Wendell Moore.

Does his wife live her or his kids?  Should be playing in Milwaukee.

Charlotte Warrior

I disagree with almost all of this. I think that Wojo has a completely different blueprint to Crean, and in many ways is closer to Buzz's blueprint than he is to Crean.

Wojo seems to want 3-4 combo guards (Howard, Rowsey, Cheatham, Elliott, and Grimes all fit that label) and the rest switchables. Heldt is really his only recruit who you could pin down to one position. Everyone else is a switchable. Even the bigs this year, John, Froling, and Eke, in terms of scouting report are athletic enough to play the 4 and 5.

What separates Wojo's roster for me is that he is doing a better job of building depth. Crean was good at recruiting a starting 5 but there was always a clear divide between the starting and bench talent. Buzz generally was a failure in terms of recruiting HS players so there was never enough continuity between to create a deep lineup. Neither Buzz nor Crean ever had a bench that went more than 2-3 deep.

We went 9 deep last year and likely would've went to 10 had Traci not transferred. Looking at 2018-19, at the least I expect Cheatham, Heldt, Howard, Sam, Froling, Morrow, John, Joey, Bailey, and Cain to be contributors. If Anim made the most of his redshirt year and Elliott and Eke are high-major talents, that's 10-13 guys that can actually contribute. If you add Grimes and he replaces the least productive player, that's a roster that you would expect from day one to go to 11 deep. That's something neither Crean nor Buzz ever dreamed of, and I'd challenge anyone who didn't think those 11 guys were all worthy of at least 10-15 mpg.

Last year, Sam Hauser played 26.5 minutes per game and led the team in that category. He's the only player this century to lead MU in minutes and not play 30+ mpg. I think Wojo would rather have 10 guys playing 20 minutes than 5 guys playing 30 minutes and a short bench.

His roster construction seems to be closer to Kentucky, with great depth and interchangeable players. They are obviously a bit further down the rankings chart which will provide better experience (albeit less raw talent). I wasn't around for most of the 70s, and wasn't aware of CBB for any of them, but I think what Wojo is doing in terms of roster construction is different than anything we've seen. I also think it's building a roster with goals of greater success than either Crean or Buzz targeted.

Quote from: Loose "Q" Cannon on August 06, 2017, 10:34:49 AM
Absolutely Concur.  You got my vote Brew.

ahh, no way.  Take off your glasses, we'll play 8-9 deep period.   That's a bet i'll easily win.   10-13 get garbage minutes and that's it.   We don't have Duke/Kentucky level depth on this team.  Your dreaming, drinking or both.

MomofMUltiples

Quote from: Jackie Moon on August 07, 2017, 10:21:08 PM
Caleb Stone-Carrawell 2019.  I think he has the potential to grow , really nice frame like his Dad.

https://twitter.com/JustinByerly/status/888876361695277056

It would be pure humiliation if the kid were to decide to go to Wisconsin.
I mean, OK, maybe he's secretly a serial killer who's pulled the wool over our eyes with his good deeds and smooth jumper - Pakuni (on Markus Howard)

MU82

Few if any coaches settle on rotations of more than 8-9 players. Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC ... they often have the talent to do so, but it's just not really possible to give 12 players a lot of minutes. By the conference season, and certainly by March, almost every coach has settled on his 8-9. Wasn't there even a recent year in which Coach K's rotation only went 6 deep, so he had a bunch of 4- and 5-stars on the bench?

Still, there are advantages to having teams that are deep beyond the rotation.

Early in the season, the rotation is still sorting itself out. Competition makes everybody better. Those getting the most minutes in November might not be the exact same 8-9 that end up in the rotation in February.

Also, better insurance against injury. If Haani got hurt 2 years ago, we would have had trouble winning any games. Now, he's going to have to fight just to stay in the rotation. We have guys who can push him. Duane went from being one of our top-2 options to being a rotation guy last year, and that depth was valuable. Same with Heldt's development.

It also means Wojo shouldn't have to force-feed freshmen as much as he might have if we only had 8-9 viable players. It's a lot better if a freshman earns a spot in the rotation than if he is handed one.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

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DCHoopster

Quote from: MomofMUltiples on August 08, 2017, 08:57:16 AM
It would be pure humiliation if the kid were to decide to go to Wisconsin.

Who is the lead recruiter?  Guess there will be a lot of unofficial stops at his house or MU

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Y'all are way over thinking it.  All Hoopster meant was:

Crean built a program.
Buzz built a program.
Wojo is also building a program.

The end.

DCHoopster

Quote from: Lazar's Headband on August 08, 2017, 10:16:42 AM
Y'all are way over thinking it.  All Hoopster meant was:

Crean built a program.
Buzz built a program.
Wojo is also building a program.

The end.

Yep and I would say 2018 the program really starts, the only issue is having 13 players.  I have never figured out how coaches can keep the last 4 players on the
squad somewhat happy.  Since 10 are coming back in 2018,  they all will have experience playing.  Hauser, Morrow and even Bailey might be better than most of the
10 coming back.  Wojo will have some great practices next year,  it will be interesting, and if Grimes wants to show up, even more interesting.

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: Lazar's Headband on August 08, 2017, 10:16:42 AM
Y'all are way over thinking it.  All Hoopster meant was:

Crean built a program.
Buzz built a program.
Wojo is also building a program. dynasty

The end.

MUEng92

Quote from: DCHoopster on August 08, 2017, 09:10:56 AM
Who is the lead recruiter?  Guess there will be a lot of unofficial stops at his house or MU
That would be awkward for the recruiters from other schools, with an assistant coach being the Dad of the kid you are recruiting.  Between trying not to give away any trade secrets to being, at a minimum, mentally graded by the guy sitting across from you.

On the bright side, they wouldn't have to waste their time on the BS part of the recruiting shtick, because Dad would see right through it.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Jahvon Quinerly is deciding tonight between Arizona and Villanova. This could be significant because if he goes to Arizona that might put us in better position with Grimes. Guinerly is a PG ranked in the top 20, a few spaces ahead of Grimes (in fact he's the #4 PG and Grimes is #5). If he becomes a Wildcat that would give them two top 40 PGs in their 2018 class with one in the top 20. Certainly doesn't take them out of the running by any stretch, but its another factor for Grimes to consider.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


LAZER

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 08, 2017, 02:29:20 PM
Jahvon Quinerly is deciding tonight between Arizona and Villanova. This could be significant because if he goes to Arizona that might put us in better position with Grimes. Guinerly is a PG ranked in the top 20, a few spaces ahead of Grimes (in fact he's the #4 PG and Grimes is #5). If he becomes a Wildcat that would give them two top 40 PGs in their 2018 class with one in the top 20. Certainly doesn't take them out of the running by any stretch, but its another factor for Grimes to consider.
Seems inevitable...

copious1218


Golden Avalanche

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 08, 2017, 02:29:20 PM
Jahvon Quinerly is deciding tonight between Arizona and Villanova. This could be significant because if he goes to Arizona that might put us in better position with Grimes. Guinerly is a PG ranked in the top 20, a few spaces ahead of Grimes (in fact he's the #4 PG and Grimes is #5). If he becomes a Wildcat that would give them two top 40 PGs in their 2018 class with one in the top 20. Certainly doesn't take them out of the running by any stretch, but its another factor for Grimes to consider.

Word I've heard is Jah is headed to Nova. But I'm also affiliated with a conference rival so the Hudson guys could be fucking with me.

To add more interest, Zona's other guard recruit (Dotson) put out the word today that he's no longer considering life in Tuscon. Seems like a face saving move ahead of Jah's decision.

In sum, who the crap knows what happens here. But knowing Jah's game and having seen the reports on Grimes, they can easily be paired together to no detriment on either's play.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


MattyWarrior

#8871
Like that..seems inevitable, think hes going to Jahvonnova ?

Golden Avalanche

Jah picked Arizona. Let the thoughts of Grimes peeling off Tuscon begin.

Loose Cannon

Quote from: Golden Avalanche on August 08, 2017, 03:37:22 PM
Word I've heard is Jah is headed to Nova. But I'm also affiliated with a conference rival so the Hudson guys could be unnatural carnal knowledgeing with me.

To add more interest, Zona's other guard recruit (Dotson) put out the word today that he's no longer considering life in Tuscon. Seems like a face saving move ahead of Jah's decision.

In sum, who the crap knows what happens here. But knowing Jah's game and having seen the reports on Grimes, they can easily be paired together to no detriment on either's play.

Zona get him. He announced at half time.  Hope this help with "Q"
" Love is Space and Time measured by the Heart. "  M Proust


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