Recruiting as of 5/15/25

[Loose Cannon]

Which, when you consider the fact that class had an all american and a one and done NBA talent, that wouldn't be a good thing, would it?? Sure would be nice of Wojo would hit the Juco ranks a little more...there is no quicker way to turn around a moribound program then Jucos if you get the right ones(see, Williams, Buzz).

OK, now I understand you.

[real chili 83]

Not true.  Wojo has done a great job recruiting.  Marquette will beat Wisconsin again in December.  The Badgers are a great football school but pale in comparison to the Warriors.  Fortunately they play basketball in an easy conference of slow ball.  Ring out ahoya!

I agree with this analysis.

[Herman Cain]

Another gem from Matty V. A very interesting interview with Hasahn French.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/09/13/hasahn-french-talks-visit-marquette/90331792/

Lets hope we can keep up the momentum and bring Mr. French into the fold. Another good solid kid.

[Dawson Rental]

I'm not fer sure on dis, but Bucky didn't sign Henry, or did dey, hey?

No, they didn't sign Henry, but they got Diamond Stone, so... no wait ..Geez, I guess that Wisconsin can't even get the "easy" McDonald's All-Americans.  Such a guru.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Another gem from Matty V. A very interesting interview with Hasahn French.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/09/13/hasahn-french-talks-visit-marquette/90331792/

Lets hope we can keep up the momentum and bring Mr. French into the fold. Another good solid kid.

Says he plans to take all 5 officials but plans to declare in time for the early signing period. Will be curious to see who those last two schools end up being.

[Dawson Rental]

I never said Novak, Deiner, Matthews etc don't count...it's just everyone makes such a big deal out of henry being an all american and use Wojo landing him as their basis for "proving" he can recruit. Sure he landed him, but are you seriously going to dismiss the fact that he was an in state kid not making that a bit easier for him?? Let's see Wojo land a kid like Jabari Parker, or a Ben Simmons or a Stud like that from out of state sometime...THEN we can annoint him a great recruiter..IMO. By no means has he been bad(I said that before), it's just he came to MU with a reputation of being a phenomenal recruiter...phenomenal recruiters consistently land top 20 recruiting classes, no?? Then again, if Wojo doesn't start winning...like NOW, he won't be around to even see his current Freshman class graduate. Or at least he shouldn't be.

A post that just drips with entitlement.  Doing things in a correct sustainable way takes a little time.  For instant gratification try becoming a Duke or Kentucky fan.

[MU82]

So you're saying Wojo,isn't Coach K and MU isn't Duke?

Finally some common ground.

Now go look up Duke's record during K's first 3 seasons and relax before you have a heart attack.

Nicely stated.

Some people simply refuse to see the positives, no matter what.

I've never seen Theo John play one second. Haven't even looked at the highlight tape. But I did see that almost every school in the Big Ten offered him, as did Cal and Oklahoma.

So he must be a crappy recruit and any of us who are happy he chose Marquette must be Wojo slurpers. Shame on all of us!

[Newsdreams]

Another gem from Matty V. A very interesting interview with Hasahn French.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2016/09/13/hasahn-french-talks-visit-marquette/90331792/

Lets hope we can keep up the momentum and bring Mr. French into the fold. Another good solid kid.

Lots of pretty in those answers, hey?

[jsglow]

So I should do my 9/15 update for the chart. Let's try to firm up that list. Obviously we have the Big 4. Who else we still truly involved with? You all remember the criterion.

[Herman Cain]

So I should do my 9/15 update for the chart. Let's try to firm up that list. Obviously we have the Big 4. Who else we still truly involved with? You all remember the criterion.

Nwora

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Davison and Ruevers are in state?? Who knew?? Have Wojo's "great" recruiting classes produced any NCAA tournament wins, let alone appearances?? When was MU's last NCAA tourney appearance?? I'll hang up and listen for your answer.

I want to make sure we are scoring this correctly at home:

Wisconsin recruits in-state kids like Herro = great
Marquette recruits in-state kids like Henry and Heldt = doesn't count
Wisconsin recruits out-of-state kids like Davison = great
Marquette recruits out-of-state kids like Cheatham and Howard = doesn't count
Wojo's one recruiting class of freshman didn't make tournament last year = he can't recruit

Do we have that right?

[Herman Cain]

Look, John might be a fine player for MU and I hope he is, but let's not act like he's the next coming of Ben Simmons or something. Wojo has pulled in some decent recruits(I don't count Henry because he was in state), but the reality is, none of them have been "program changing" recruits(yet anyway) and quite obviously, none of them have been so good that MU has made the NCAAs because of them. More simply put, none of them combined have been equivalent to "the three amigos". When he starts pulling in those type, then I will be more impressed. Not that i think his recruiting has been bad...it just hasn't been as great as one would tend to think it might be(or should be) with his Duke pedigree etc. In fact, I'd argue Greg Gard has been pulling in better players than Wojo has..that should NEVER happen. But it has been because MU hasn't been winning...that's the biggest issue right now.

I am the first guy to rip Wojo's coaching style. However, I will defend Wojo and Company to the death with respect to recruiting.

When I go down the list of Wojo's recruits there has not been one dud relative to expectations. The high school recruits last year all did very well. Henry first round draft choice, Haanif one of the best young guards in the Big East, Traci clearly a Big East level point guard, Matt progressing physically and looking like he is on pace to be a solid Junior and Senior year Big. Sacar, also progressing physically and will be a solid Junior and Senior Year Switchable . Bailey, brings length, skill and athletic bloodlines and was sought after by several Pac 10 schools. Hauser, has grown and has gotten stronger,  should definitely be a very productive Big East level player. Markus Howard, can shoot well and has great court vision and was very highly sought after.  Ike Eke, an athletic Big from a State Championship team with upside. Theo John another active inside Big with upside sought after by many quality programs.

Now lets look at the transfers. Rowsey, 1000 points scored in his first two seasons, performed well against very high majors. Reinhardt 3 consecutive years double digit scoring in the Pac 10. Carlino , let the team in scoring and was one of the best guards in the Big East his year with us. Wally, came in and provided energy and boards as advertised. Levin, was highly sought after on the transfer circuit, unfortunately he left us, but he performed as advertised in his sophomore year.

Wojo is getting the recruiting part of his job done very well.

[The Lens]

Overall Wojo is recruiting to Marquette's level and not above it. 

Crean & Buzz were the same. 

The lone exception to this is Henry and I think we all can agree there were extenuating circumstances there.  If he had landed Rabb or Freeman instead, that would have been very eye opening.  But in general, Wojo has been recruiting to Marquette's past 15 year level, and that's fine.

[VegasWarrior77]

I want to make sure we are scoring this correctly at home:

Wisconsin recruits in-state kids like Herro = great
Marquette recruits in-state kids like Henry and Heldt = doesn't count
Wisconsin recruits out-of-state kids like Davison = great
Marquette recruits out-of-state kids like Cheatham and Howard = doesn't count
Wojo's one recruiting class of freshman didn't make tournament last year = he can't recruit

Do we have that right?

[muguru]

So you're saying Wojo,isn't Coach K and MU isn't Duke?

Finally some common ground.

Now go look up Duke's record during K's first 3 seasons and relax before you have a heart attack.

The big difference though Mark is Duke was a nothing program when coach k took over. There was nowhere to go but up..that wasnt the case with MU..they had been to 7 straight NCAAs..had two sweet 16's and an Elite 8 during that span..and for all intents and purposes..were poised to reach heights that the program hadn't seen since Al's years..the fall since then has been nothing less than mind blowing..have their been extenuating circumstances? Sure..but how many programs go from where MU was to where they are now in such a short period of time. I mean its been so bad they havent even made the NIT. How do you explain that?

I mean once you have gotten where MU was..after that it should be just a matter of sustaining that level with perhaps slight dropoffs(ie just squeaking in to the NCAAs), from time to time. It should never happen where you fall so far so fast(regardless of circumstances) that 20 wins is suddenly an accomplishment. That was a big deal back in the Mike Deane days..but that should NEVER be the case now after where MU has been recently. Especially when you consider MU spends top dollar on their program.

I know it's beating a dead horse but losing out on Shaka was a blow bigger than many realize i think. I cant help but think and be confident that if Shaka were here..that team would have been in the NCAAs last year.

I really do think after having Shaka and then losing him..it really shook the admin to the core. Almost as if they then just accepted their lot in life and just kind of "gave up" on striving to make this program elite and instead decided to now just be content with fleeting good success every once in awhile.

[wadesworld]

Why are people even entertaining this clown?

If the guy thinks Wojo can't recruit he's beyond clueless.  "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."  He spoke.  All doubt has been removed.  Moving on.

[DiehardMU]

The big difference though Mark is Duke was a nothing program when coach k took over. There was nowhere to go but up..that wasnt the case with MU..they had been to 7 straight NCAAs..had two sweet 16's and an Elite 8 during that span..and for all intents and purposes..were poised to reach heights that the program hadn't seen since Al's years..the fall since then has been nothing less than mind blowing..have their been extenuating circumstances? Sure..but how many programs go from where MU was to where they are now in such a short period of time. I mean its been so bad they havent even made the NIT. How do you explain that?

Better check your Duke history as you obviously are not a dukeguru!

[muguru]

I want to make sure we are scoring this correctly at home:

Wisconsin recruits in-state kids like Herro = great
Marquette recruits in-state kids like Henry and Heldt = doesn't count
Wisconsin recruits out-of-state kids like Davison = great
Marquette recruits out-of-state kids like Cheatham and Howard = doesn't count
Wojo's one recruiting class of freshman didn't make tournament last year = he can't recruit

Do we have that right?

You are so far off it's laughable..i never once said MU recruiting in state kids doesnt count..what i said was..so many people want to anoint Wojo as this great recruiter because he landed an all american in Henry. What i simply said was it has to be noted that Henry was an in state kid. Now..if Wojo is pulling in All Americans from other states like Texas or Florida for example THEN I think he can be labeled a great recruiter.
Now most of you would laugh and say.."If theres an all american in those states odds are they are probably staying home and playing for Florida or Texas. My point exactly!

Further..if Wojo is recruiting so well..why haven't his players seemingly developed much? He has two choices to fix that..either A..recruit at a higher level where development isn't as necessary(you just roll the ball out and tell em to play) or..you better learn real quick how to develop players and if thats not your strong suit..then your only option is to recruit at a higher level.

[DiehardMU]

You are so far off it's laughable..i never once said MU recruiting in state kids doesnt count..what i said was..so many people want to anoint Wojo as this great recruiter because he landed an all american in Henry. What i simply said was it has to be noted that Henry was an in state kid. Now..if Wojo is pulling in All Americans from other states like Texas or Florida for example THEN I think he can be labeled a great recruiter.
Now most of you would laugh and say.."If theres an all american in those states odds are they are probably staying home and playing for Florida or Texas. My point exactly!

Further..if Wojo is recruiting so well..why haven't his players seemingly developed much? He has two choices to fix that..either A..recruit at a higher level where development isn't as necessary(you just roll the ball out and tell em to play) or..you better learn real quick how to develop players and if thats not your strong suit..then your only option is to recruit at a higher level.

Not sure why I'm feeding the troll... but how quickly do you expect players to develop?  How quickly did Kaminsky develop? 

Did you look into Duke's history before Coach K? 

[muguru]

I have always been baffled by MU fans seemingly just accepting it being a nice program that will have runs of success once in awhile, and thats simply okay for most of you. Thats such small time thinking. MU can be a top 20 program every year..but many of you don't seem to think that or even care if they are.
Wisconsin has done it...and they had ALOT further to go to get where they are than MU had..hell, MU was heading that way just 5 years ago. Look what Xavier has done..there is ZERO reason MU cant do that..especially with all the resources MU spends on BB. Villanova is another good comparison..those are schools without FBS football programs..comparable to MU in many ways and look what they have done.
So tell me..why can schools like that be at those levels..but so many MU fans seemingly accept that MU isnt and would be okay with it if they never were.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So I should do my 9/15 update for the chart. Let's try to firm up that list. Obviously we have the Big 4. Who else we still truly involved with? You all remember the criterion.

Jermaine Samuels has committed to Villanova so he is off the board.

I think the main targets at this point are Cain, X Tillman, French, Nwora, and Epperson.

[HoopsterBC]

I have always been baffled by MU fans seemingly just accepting it being a nice program that will have runs of success once in awhile, and thats simply okay for most of you. Thats such small time thinking. MU can be a top 20 program every year..but many of you don't seem to think that or even care if they are.
Wisconsin has done it...and they had ALOT further to go to get where they are than MU had..hell, MU was heading that way just 5 years ago. Look what Xavier has done..there is ZERO reason MU cant do that..especially with all the resources MU spends on BB. Villanova is another good comparison..those are schools without FBS football programs..comparable to MU in many ways and look what they have done.
So tell me..why can schools like that be at those levels..but so many MU fans seemingly accept that MU isnt and would be okay with it if they never were.

I grew up when MU was in the Top 10 for ten straight years, we were Duke when Al was here.  Hank took it down a step then Rick realized the change in college basketball and MU slide straight down with the piano man and Mike Deane.  The administration at that time did not help the program.  The program changed with
Kevin, and has been on the rise since.  Crean got MU to the final 4, the Al Center was built, then Buzz took over and was a great judge of recruiting JC kids from Texas.
Now Wojo.  Wojo recruited all over the country for Duke.  I am sure it was not hard.  They picked kids, easy.  MU and Wojo need time to build to at least get to the NCAA tournament.  Buzz left the program in a mess.  Recruiting Ellenson was great but not great.  Had to take him but being around a year happens to be a bigger loss then you think.  How good would MU be with him?  Now Wojo tried hard in spring to get some recruits, and lost out.  It happens.  If Wojo, can get a couple more
kids this year, on the floor will change.  Wojo does not have a fertile ground to recruit in Wisconsin,  this year, Lewis that was it.  Next year, 2 kids, lost one.  Hauser
will be all about his brother and how he likes it at MU.  Wojo has to make some inroads into Chicago with Butler and Wade there.  Otherwise,  it is hard to get kids from around the country.  In saying this,  Wojo did not an outstanding job getting John,  needed a big, rated top 200, how good he will turn out we will see.  Ike not
sure where he ranked, maybe Top 500.  So, this year his recruiting is average so far,  needs to get Tillman or French, then one of the small forwards, then I would call
it a success.

wi

[fjm]

If you don't reply to him. He won't post. Just let him be. I'm sick of reading his crud all over this board.

[MU82]

If you don't reply to him. He won't post. Just let him be. I'm sick of reading his crud all over this board.

You and wades are correct. From here on, I will do my part to ignore the clueless troll.

[Brewtown Andy]

The big difference though Mark is Duke was a nothing program when coach k took over.

Nothing program = a national championship game appearance and an Elite 8 sandwiched around a tournament appearance in the three years previous to K being hired.

Just saying.