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SaveOD238

Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on January 30, 2024, 03:50:11 PM
Straight from the horse's mouth, it sounds like we'll be up against a familiar foe for the services of Jamarion Batemon: https://cyclonefanatic.com/2024/01/recruiting-iowa-state-still-in-lead-to-land-priority-25-guard-target-jamarion-batemon/

He's at Milwaukee Academy of Science.  That's practically in our backyard.  Shaka needs to get Jop texting with this kid.

I'm getting really tired of watching top tier local talent go elsewhere.  Momcilovich is a perfect example.

The Sultan

Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 30, 2024, 04:20:39 PM
He's at Milwaukee Academy of Science.  That's practically in our backyard.  Shaka needs to get Jop texting with this kid.

I'm getting really tired of watching top tier local talent go elsewhere.  Momcilovich is a perfect example.

We hardly recruited him right?

Regardless, why do we care where players come from?
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JTJ3

Yeah, where a player is from doesnt matter.  There are numerous examples, including at Marquette, where it was better for kids to go out of state for plenty of reasons, on and off the court.

Galway Eagle

#35853
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 30, 2024, 04:20:39 PM
He's at Milwaukee Academy of Science.  That's practically in our backyard.  Shaka needs to get Jop texting with this kid.

I'm getting really tired of watching top tier local talent go elsewhere.  Momcilovich is a perfect example.

Of the best basketball players in MUBB history how many have come from 50mi around MU? (I say 50 because you run into Madison and Chicago but 50 going south is being generous) I'd say less than 10.

We don't have a need to recruit Milwaukee area as if it's make or break.

I think we'd agree MU's been fairly consistently good since 2000, with great players Kolek, Oso, Kam, JLew, Howard, Hauser (for better or worse), Rowsey, Blue, DJO, Crowder, Gardner, Butler, Hayward, McNeal, Matthews, James, Wade. None from Milwaukee area.

Great players that were: Novak, Jamil Wilson. TBD Joplin.
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Jay Bee

Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 30, 2024, 04:20:39 PMMomcilovich is a perfect example.

Never was comfortable with his name tbh
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CountryRoads

Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 30, 2024, 04:20:39 PM
He's at Milwaukee Academy of Science.  That's practically in our backyard.  Shaka needs to get Jop texting with this kid.

I'm getting really tired of watching top tier local talent go elsewhere.  Momcilovich is a perfect example.

Is this kid top tier talent? Reading the article I get the impression that Iowa State would take him right now but he may be a backup option for us.

El Guerrero 2

Quote from: CountryRoads on January 30, 2024, 05:14:11 PM
Is this kid top tier talent? Reading the article I get the impression that Iowa State would take him right now but he may be a backup option for us.

It depends on what you define to Be "top tier talent."  He's ranked 150 on 24/7. His game isn't particularly flashy and he's not an ideal size, but I feel like he's a natural successor to Stevie Mitchell.

CountryRoads

Quote from: El Guerrero 2 on January 30, 2024, 05:32:41 PM
It depends on what you define to Be "top tier talent."  He's ranked 150 on 24/7. His game isn't particularly flashy and he's not an ideal size, but I feel like he's a natural successor to Stevie Mitchell.

That's fair. If the staff wants him, hope we get him.

DoctorV

Quote from: CountryRoads on January 30, 2024, 05:14:11 PM
Is this kid top tier talent? Reading the article I get the impression that Iowa State would take him right now but he may be a backup option for us.

Shaka has his own description on top tier talent that doesn't often align with the national perception.

Some of it has worked, some remains to be seen.

He's definitely a good talent evaluator though, and even better at getting the most out of his talent

MuMark

I don't have access but based on the graphic it doesn't appear we are a major player for Hannah

https://twitter.com/tiptonedits/status/1753076321150984308?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw

StillWarriors

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 30, 2024, 04:49:07 PM
Of the best basketball players in MUBB history how many have come from 50mi around MU? (I say 50 because you run into Madison and Chicago but 50 going south is being generous) I'd say less than 10.

We don't have a need to recruit Milwaukee area as if it's make or break.

I think we'd agree MU's been fairly consistently good since 2000, with great players Kolek, Oso, Kam, JLew, Howard, Hauser (for better or worse), Rowsey, Blue, DJO, Crowder, Gardner, Butler, Hayward, McNeal, Matthews, James, Wade. None from Milwaukee area.

Great players that were: Novak, Jamil Wilson. TBD Joplin.

Good list. Your point is well taken; but I'd say Diener qualifies as a great.

Goose

I always have liked when MU recruited highly recruited players because I thought it made sense for a lot of reasons. My opinion has changed over the years, especially since Shaka came along. This is not a rip on Hannah, but if living in MKE and being able to watch MU play in a sold-out FF, play exciting style of play and win on a high level is not enough to get his interest, I don't what would. Another possibility, Shaka is not overly interested in hm.

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Quote from: Goose on February 01, 2024, 11:53:57 AM
I always have liked when MU recruited highly recruited players because I thought it made sense for a lot of reasons. My opinion has changed over the years, especially since Shaka came along. This is not a rip on Hannah, but if living in MKE and being able to watch MU play in a sold-out FF, play exciting style of play and win on a high level is not enough to get his interest, I don't what would. Another possibility, Shaka is not overly interested in hm.
Do we know that hes not interested?

Goose

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I do not. I was responding MU Mark's post. I would be surprised if he was not at least keeping an eye on MU, but you never know.

Zog from Margo

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 30, 2024, 04:49:07 PM
Of the best basketball players in MUBB history how many have come from 50mi around MU? (I say 50 because you run into Madison and Chicago but 50 going south is being generous) I'd say less than 10.

We don't have a need to recruit Milwaukee area as if it's make or break.

I think we'd agree MU's been fairly consistently good since 2000, with great players Kolek, Oso, Kam, JLew, Howard, Hauser (for better or worse), Rowsey, Blue, DJO, Crowder, Gardner, Butler, Hayward, McNeal, Matthews, James, Wade. None from Milwaukee area.

Great players that were: Novak, Jamil Wilson. TBD Joplin.

I agree that it is not make or break. Shaka will land good players. That said, however, MU would have been better over the years had it landed guys like Looney, Poole, Herro, Harris, and, going a little further out than 50 miles, Haliburton.

dgies9156

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 30, 2024, 04:49:07 PM
Of the best basketball players in MUBB history how many have come from 50mi around MU? (I say 50 because you run into Madison and Chicago but 50 going south is being generous) I'd say less than 10.

We don't have a need to recruit Milwaukee area as if it's make or break.

I think we'd agree MU's been fairly consistently good since 2000, with great players Kolek, Oso, Kam, JLew, Howard, Hauser (for better or worse), Rowsey, Blue, DJO, Crowder, Gardner, Butler, Hayward, McNeal, Matthews, James, Wade. None from Milwaukee area.

Great players that were: Novak, Jamil Wilson. TBD Joplin.

The greatest Marquette player of all time from the State of Wisconsin was Jim Chones. Mr. Chones was from Racine St. Catherine. If you go within 50 miles of Milwaukee, I'd include Jerome Whitehead from Waukegan, IL.

During the McGuire era, very few of our really great ballplayers were from Wisconsin. The guys from Wisconsin were sixth through 11th men on the team. About the only exception I can think of was Bill Neary, who started on the 1977 team. He's a Wisconsin boy!

BCHoopster

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The Sultan

Quote from: dgies9156 on February 01, 2024, 12:45:25 PM
The greatest Marquette player of all time from the State of Wisconsin was Jim Chones.


How about Don Kojis?
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dgies9156

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 01, 2024, 12:49:12 PM

How about Don Kojis?

NO! Chones was it. Period. We went from a near certainty Natty to average after Chones left for the NBA.

He was THAT good.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: dgies9156 on February 01, 2024, 01:23:03 PM
NO! Chones was it. Period. We went from a near certainty Natty to average after Chones left for the NBA.

He was THAT good.

Yet his number doesn't hang from the rafters.

BCHoopster

Only player that left during the season, 
Played year and half, Al should have let him Finnish the season.

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Quote from: dgies9156 on February 01, 2024, 01:23:03 PM
NO! Chones was it. Period. We went from a near certainty Natty to average after Chones left for the NBA.

He was THAT good.

I remember hearing the news on the radio. I was absolutely stunned. Chones really was THAT good. In a moment, a perfect chance to win a natty went down the drain.
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Quote from: StillWarriors on February 01, 2024, 11:38:22 AM
Good list. Your point is well taken; but I'd say Diener qualifies as a great.

At first thought Fond Du Lac was closer to MKE then it is. Forgot to add him as someone not from MKE.

Quote from: dgies9156 on February 01, 2024, 12:45:25 PM
The greatest Marquette player of all time from the State of Wisconsin was Jim Chones. Mr. Chones was from Racine St. Catherine. If you go within 50 miles of Milwaukee, I'd include Jerome Whitehead from Waukegan, IL.

During the McGuire era, very few of our really great ballplayers were from Wisconsin. The guys from Wisconsin were sixth through 11th men on the team. About the only exception I can think of was Bill Neary, who started on the 1977 team. He's a Wisconsin boy!

Not going to get into Wade vs Chones. Ones in the basketball hall of fame one isn't. But exceptions happen, Novak & Chones are the two truly great players I can think of from Milwaukee area. With Jamil and Joplin being good. (Edit: forgot about Kojis before anyone tries to kill me)

Whitehead is why I said saying 50mi south was being generous. MKE area technically cuts off after Racine maybe you could argue Kenosha even though it's got a metra rail and the census considers it Chicagoland.

Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 01, 2024, 12:25:50 PM
I agree that it is not make or break. Shaka will land good players. That said, however, MU would have been better over the years had it landed guys like Looney, Poole, Herro, Harris, and, going a little further out than 50 miles, Haliburton.

Milwaukee had a few years where incredible talent was being churned out. But the question should be who we got instead (were they comparable?), do we replace them easily if they're a one and done (essentially 2 or 3 years of guy from elsewhere instead of 1yrs of great Milwaukee guy) and are they rated in the range of normal MU recruits where landing them is a reasonable expectation (like stone, Johnson).
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