Interesting Postgame Quotes - Wojo

[NersEllenson]

Dawson has the size, strength, athleticism, instincts, and skill to be a solid to good high major player. I hope he sticks with the program and starts to earn minutes this year, I think he could help out at both the 1 & 2.

+1 - - See him a lot like DJ Newbill, although not quite as tall.  Newbill, like Dawson, isn't uber quick off the bounce, but just very strong, solid jumper and great feel for the game.  Dawson has those things.  He's a solid defender.  I don't understand why you play Derrick Wilson off the ball alongside Carlino - any of Duane, John, Cohen or JJJ would be better suited to get those minutes.  Hopefully Wojo figures that out soon and ends the senior loyalty experiment.

Hope John sees it through this rough patch too - he seems to be keeping a good attitude.  Yet at some point he needs to be given a chance to show what he can do in games, as I can't imagine how incredibly difficult last season was on him given the historically bad struggles of the guy in front of him.

[NersEllenson]

Did that lineup ever play more than three minutes? Mayo and Gardner were the guys who in effect started since they played the big minutes - not Anderson and Otule. You know that.

Mayo averaged 23 minutes a game - not even CLOSE to big minutes for a college player.

Burton averaged 12 minutes

JJJ and STeve Taylor invisible.

Jake and Derrick most definitely did play a ton of minutes together which of course was the most retarded of all coaching philosophies.  When pressed on the issue as to why they were playing - all Buzz could offer up was the ambigious:  They're playing to the scouting report.

Nope, not that they are producing at a high level..but "playing to the scouting report."  Give me a break - you are losing a lot of games - either get better scouting reports, or try different players.

[79Warrior]

Dawson has the size, strength, athleticism, instincts, and skill to be a solid to good high major player. I hope he sticks with the program and starts to earn minutes this year, I think he could help out at both the 1 & 2.

High major player based on what? He certainly has not played enough to make that judgement. I think people hope he develops, the reality is he cannot get minutes in a depleted roster and there is clearly a reason for that.

[Tums Festival]

It'll be interesting to see if Dawson plays Saturday and if so, how many minutes he gets. We need him going forward since we'll be losing two senior guards at the end of the season. What I'm hoping is that Wojo has explained to Dawson why he isn't getting many minutes so far instead of letting him twist in the wind, ala Brent.

Hopefully it'll also be an opportunity for Burton to do some good things and log some solid playing time.

[Silkk the Shaka]

High major player based on what? He certainly has not played enough to make that judgement. I think people hope he developst, the reality is he cannot get minutes in a depleted roster and there is clearly a reason for that.

I base it on what he showed as a freshman in big road games against Georgetown & Providence last year. Not only was he competent and confident, he was a net positive and looked like the best player on the court at times. I don't think saying that he has what it takes to be a solid to good high major player with the hope that he sticks with the program is outlandish.

[MerrittsMustache]

It's still early Lenny.  It's still early.  Never thought Dawson would be a "prime time player" last year, but he certainly wasn't going to be any worse than what the alternative was.  As for Burton, I still believe he is a prime time player, and will prove that out by the end of the year and should have been given more minutes last season as should have Dawson.

Let's use actual statistics from last season and then I'm going to free myself from this "debate"...

PER
Derrick: 10.5
Dawson: 4.0

TS%
Derrick: 42.0%
Dawson: 43.5%

eFG%
Derrick: 40.7%
Dawson: 39.0%

AST%
Derrick: 25.4% (team high)
Dawson: 18.9% (3rd)

TO% (lower is better)
Derrick: 19.5
Dawson: 23.5

Points Produced
Derrick: 222 (0.225/min)
Dawson: 53 (0.216/min)

ORtg
Derrick: 99.0
Dawson: 89.5

DRtg (lower is better)
Derrick: 103.1
Dawson: 105.6

O Win Shares
Derrick: 0.4
Dawson: -0.1

D Win Shares
Derrick: 1.4
Dawson: 0.3

Win Shares
Derrick: 1.8
Dawson: 0.2

WS/40
Derrick: .073
Dawson: .030

Averages Per 40
Derrick: 6.5 pts, 5.5 ast, 4.9 reb, 1.7 steals, 1.9 TO, 3.2 PF
Dawson: 7.8 pts, 4.1 ast, 4.2 reb, 0.5 stls, 2.8 TO, 6.4 PF

Dawson is a talented player and no one is going to confuse Derrick Wilson with Chris Paul or even Cordell Henry, but there is no evidence to back up your claim that Dawson "wasn't going to be any worse than the alternative," especially when you consider that, other than Pts/40 and eFG%, every single metric favors Derrick, many of them by a significant margin.

[BCHoopster]

It'll be interesting to see if Dawson plays Saturday and if so, how many minutes he gets. We need him going forward since we'll be loosing two senior guards at the end of the season. What I'm hoping is that Wojo has explained to Dawson why he isn't getting many minutes so far instead of letting him twist in the wind, ala Brent.

Hopefully it'll also be an opportunity for Burton to do some good things and log some solid playing time.

2 top guards coming in next year, add Duane Wilson and JJJ moving to guard next year will give them 4 guards, add Dawson 5 so they will be OK there, no experience but talented.

[MUchamp22]

I think one thing people are underestimating with Burton is that he still lost his mother just over a month ago. I'm sure that caused him not to focus on basketball for a while and he may have missed practice which is huge when you only have 30 or so before you start playing games. He will play more, but for now it seems like he is still catching up to speed a little bit.

[NersEllenson]

High major player based on what? He certainly has not played enough to make that judgement. I think people hope he developst, the reality is he cannot get minutes in a depleted roster and there is clearly a reason for that.

Question for you:  Has another guy played enough to make a judgment that he most definitely isn't a high major player?

[NersEllenson]

Let's use actual statistics from last season and then I'm going to free myself from this "debate"...

PER
Derrick: 10.5
Dawson: 4.0

TS%
Derrick: 42.0%
Dawson: 43.5%

eFG%
Derrick: 40.7%
Dawson: 39.0%

AST%
Derrick: 25.4% (team high)
Dawson: 18.9% (3rd)

TO% (lower is better)
Derrick: 19.5
Dawson: 23.5

Points Produced
Derrick: 222 (0.225/min)
Dawson: 53 (0.216/min)

ORtg
Derrick: 99.0
Dawson: 89.5

DRtg (lower is better)
Derrick: 103.1
Dawson: 105.6

O Win Shares
Derrick: 0.4
Dawson: -0.1

D Win Shares
Derrick: 1.4
Dawson: 0.3

Win Shares
Derrick: 1.8
Dawson: 0.2

WS/40
Derrick: .073
Dawson: .030

Averages Per 40
Derrick: 6.5 pts, 5.5 ast, 4.9 reb, 1.7 steals, 1.9 TO, 3.2 PF
Dawson: 7.8 pts, 4.1 ast, 4.2 reb, 0.5 stls, 2.8 TO, 6.4 PF

Dawson is a talented player and no one is going to confuse Derrick Wilson with Chris Paul or even Cordell Henry, but there is no evidence to back up your claim that Dawson "wasn't going to be any worse than the alternative," especially when you consider that, other than Pts/40 and eFG%, every single metric favors Derrick, many of them by a significant margin.

Dawson's stats were compiled on an average of getting 10 mintues per game in the 24 games he played - not to mention he didn't even get into 8 other games.  Pomroy won't even assign O-Ratings to a guy who plays less than 10 minutes in a game.  Not to mention Dawson' minutes he did get, other than Georgetown were typicall 2 to 3 minute stints of action  - what the hell can a I guy accomplish in such short runs?

Go look at Derrick's O-Rating from TN Martin - 13 minutes...a 22 O Rating.  Derrick has had the ideal environment to perform:  Consistent, long stretches of playing time and he is what he is. 

But, of course this has all been hashed and re-hashed 1000s of times over.

[Pakuni]

Well, we've now had two entirely different coaching staffs come to the conclusion that John Dawson - at this time, at least - is not worthy of or earned significant minutes on the court.

It could be that these guys are all incompetent, though that would seem to contradict most of the evidence put forth so far.

Or, it could be that they know what they're doing with Dawson and some here are overestimating his ability to help this team.

[MerrittsMustache]

Dawson's stats were compiled on an average of getting 10 mintues per game in the 24 games he played - not to mention he didn't even get into 8 other games.  Pomroy won't even assign O-Ratings to a guy who plays less than 10 minutes in a game.  Not to mention Dawson' minutes he did get, other than Georgetown were typicall 2 to 3 minute stints of action  - what the hell can a I guy accomplish in such short runs?

Go look at Derrick's O-Rating from TN Martin - 13 minutes...a 22 O Rating.  Derrick has had the ideal environment to perform:  Consistent, long stretches of playing time and he is what he is.  

But, of course this has all been hashed and re-hashed 1000s of times over.

The numbers are what the numbers are.

[Henry Sugar]

Checked this thread more than once

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Dawson's stats were compiled on an average of getting 10 mintues per game in the 24 games he played - not to mention he didn't even get into 8 other games.  Pomroy won't even assign O-Ratings to a guy who plays less than 10 minutes in a game.  Not to mention Dawson' minutes he did get, other than Georgetown were typicall 2 to 3 minute stints of action  - what the hell can a I guy accomplish in such short runs?

Go look at Derrick's O-Rating from TN Martin - 13 minutes...a 22 O Rating.  Derrick has had the ideal environment to perform:  Consistent, long stretches of playing time and he is what he is. 

But, of course this has all been hashed and re-hashed 1000s of times over.

Actually this brings up a good point:

If we can't really evaluate a player with sporadic playing time, how are coaches supposed to evaluate who plays?

Give every guy 20min and see what happens? Go strictly off of practice performance? Give players limited opps and see if they sink or swim?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Jake and Derrick most definitely did play a ton of minutes together which of course was the most retarded of all coaching philosophies. 

I'm sure someone will blast me for being PC, but I would appreciate if you found other language to express your frustration in the future. It's something that has affected my family and I don't take it lightly.

[MerrittsMustache]

Actually this brings up a good point:

If we can't really evaluate a player with sporadic playing time, how are coaches supposed to evaluate who plays?

Give every guy 20min and see what happens? Go strictly off of practice performance? Give players limited opps and see if they sink or swim?

The most successful coaches take the advice of message board posters who played some ball in high school.

[MerrittsMustache]

I'm sure someone will blast me for being PC, but I would appreciate if you found other language to express your frustration in the future. It's something that has affected my family and I don't take it lightly.

Agree with this 100%.

[MU B2002]

I'm sure someone will blast me for being PC, but I would appreciate if you found other language to express your frustration in the future. It's something that has affected my family and I don't take it lightly.

+1

Agree.

[GooooMarquette]

Would you be actually be surprised if he left, I wouldn't??

Baylor, Colorado, Creighton, Wyoming, New Mexico, New Mexico state and others recruited him...

Its not like he was a walk on, If he can't find minutes here i'm sure there are other schools where he can.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/162866/john-dawson

Jamail Jones was recruited by Georgia, Ga Tech, UVa, and Oregon...and he now plays at Florida Gulf Coast.  No question that Dawson can get minutes somewhere...but don't assume it'd be a high major if he can't get off the bench for two seasons under two different coaching staffs.

[79Warrior]

Question for you:  Has another guy played enough to make a judgment that he most definitely isn't a high major player?

Look, the coaching staff obviously does not think he is ready, otherwise he would get in a game when we only suit up 9 guys. You guys can speculate all you want. bottom line, Wojo is not putting him in yet. He knows the players way better that you or I do.

[Nevada233]

Jamail Jones was recruited by Georgia, Ga Tech, UVa, and Oregon...and he now plays at Florida Gulf Coast.  No question that Dawson can get minutes somewhere...but don't assume it'd be a high major if he can't get off the bench for two seasons under two different coaching staffs.

Yeah he plays 31 Mpg there too...

If you had a D-1 Kid would you want him to ride the pine for a career or go where he could play... I'm just asking...

[GooooMarquette]

Yeah he plays 31 Mpg there too...

If you had a D-1 Kid would you want him to ride the pine for a career or go where he could play... I'm just asking...

Oh, I absolutely agree - Dawson could probably light it up at a school like FGCU too, and I could easily understand him considering it if he sits again this year.

I was just responding to your post mentioning the likes of Baylor, etc...and pointing out that he quite likely wouldn't end up at that level of school if he rides the pines for two years under two different coaches.

But to be clear, I hope it doesn't come to that.  John seems like a great kid with a terrific attitude, and I'd love to see him stay at MU, playing time or not.

[The Lens]

Agree with this 100%.

Amen, +1,

Embarrassing to read that garbage on a MU site.   

[Tums Festival]

I'm sure someone will blast me for being PC, but I would appreciate if you found other language to express your frustration in the future. It's something that has affected my family and I don't take it lightly.

Agree wholeheartedly!

[GGGG]

Wow.  Gone all morning and Ners drops a post blasting Derrick...praising Dawson...ignoring stats...and calling a coach "retarded."

I need to skip more mornings.