Interesting Postgame Quotes - Wojo

[NersEllenson]

I don't think anybody is asking you to say that "Dawson SUCKS", maybe just pump the brakes a little bit?

Also, I'm pretty sure this isn't true:

Do you need me to take the time to look it up, or do you just want to take it back?

Okay...guess I need to qualify the statement - there are very few GUARDS or WINGS who are good FT shooters that aren't also good perimeter shooters.  Dawson's 28% from 3 wasn't great of course, but it was a hell of a lot better than 7%.

You can call up my post history all you want.  I don't care.  Seriously, if you want to create a Sultan's Greatest Hits thread and bring up all the dumb predictions I made, go right ahead.

I am not making excuses for Derrick.  I said his play was poor last year.  It has been poor this year.  The difference is that he was the best option last year.  He is the third option this year. 

You also inferred Dawson wasn't a better offensive player than Derrick. 

[NersEllenson]

Or maybe Wojo, like Buzz, simply thinks he's the better option.

True.  It's still early.  The early returns on Derrick's "improvement" aren't promising...though he did make that 3 pointer last night!!!

[GGGG]

You also inferred Dawson wasn't a better offensive player than Derrick.  

Well there are stats that pretty much support that POV.  However, I think Dawson is likely the better offensive player.  I just don't think he is the player you think he is...at least right now.

[NersEllenson]

Well there are stats that pretty much support that POV.  However, I think Dawson is likely the better offensive player.  I just don't think he is the player you think he is...at least right now.

Fair enough.  Just an FYI:  I suspect if you see Derrick relegated to 10 minutes a game this season, what his stats look like are going to be a lot worse than what Dawson's were for the 24 games he played in last year.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Okay...guess I need to qualify the statement - there are very few GUARDS or WINGS who are good FT shooters that aren't also good perimeter shooters.  Dawson's 28% from 3 wasn't great of course, but it was a hell of a lot better than 7%.

You also inferred Dawson wasn't a better offensive player than Derrick. 

Honestly, YES, I encourage you to make more qualifying statements to clarify what you are talking about.

As far as Dawson vs Derrick, the sample has been pretty small, which is why most people defer to the coach's decision. I don't think it's more complex than that.

[brandx]

That quote made me laugh.

It's alright to lose, kid. One key to maturity is knowing when to throw in the towel (and doing it gracefully). It's becoming pretty obvious Dawson isn't the savior/solution/player you hoped/thought he would be. It's alright. We all lose.

Instead of going on and on and on and on about Dawson v. Derek, just take your lumps and move on.

Ners: It's becoming painfully obvious I may have overestimated Dawson. Can't wait to have a solution at point guard.
Everyone else: Derek wasn't a great solution either
Ners: Good thing we have Nick and Duane next year, plus Haanif
Everyone else: We're going to have to take our lumps this year, but the future is bright

The End.

As much sense as this makes, I don't think he will get it.

[NersEllenson]

As much sense as this makes, I don't think he will get it.

He made a fair point/post.  Yet, as I said in another post - I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Dawson two games in, even though at present it looks likes he's the odd man out.  I believe he's going to have a nice college career whether that is at MU or elsewhere.

[jesmu84]

He made a fair point/post.  Yet, as I said in another post - I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Dawson two games in, even though at present it looks likes he's the odd man out.  I believe he's going to have a nice college career whether that is at MU or elsewhere.

And if he doesn't have a "nice" career, or produces very little, will you admit you were wrong?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I didn't remember this one:

And yes, I stand by my statement that Dawson is the real deal, and has the "it" factor.  I'll be sure to remind you, Brew, and Guns of this when Dawson proves it out.  Will be fun to serve you guys a deserved sh$t burger.

When's that burger getting here? I'm starving.

[MUSF]

Slightly disappointed with these quotes from Wojo as what he laments, he can correct.

"They present a number of difficulties to defend because they have guys who have the ability to score from all five positions," said first-year Marquette coach Steve Wojciechowski. "The way that they shoot the ball is outstanding. But our transition defense was not near what it needed to be."

QUOTE OF THE NIGHT
Wojciechowski on Ohio State's 10-man rotation: "Look, in order to beat a team like Ohio State, you have to have max effort for 40 minutes. Right now, because of where we are, we don't have the ability to play 10 guys."

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400588333

Um, am I missing something?  Saying OSU has guys who have the ability to score from all five positions making them difficult to defend, doesn't have anything to do with MU's offense.  You're dissecting a sentence taken from a comment that was meant to explain why playing OSU is difficult and trying to use it to support your established narrative that Derrick Wilson shouldn't play.  That's a pretty big reach, even for you.

Couldn't your "quote of the night" also be used to explain why Wilson gets the minutes he gets?  True, MU might be able to put a lineup out there that can score from all five positions, but are those same five playing with max effort at all times?  

[NersEllenson]

And if he doesn't have a "nice" career, or produces very little, will you admit you were wrong?

Absolutely.  Look me up in 3 or 4 years (depending on if John stays or transfers.)

[Ellisium]

He made a fair point/post.  Yet, as I said in another post - I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Dawson two games in, even though at present it looks likes he's the odd man out.  I believe he's going to have a nice college career whether that is at MU or elsewhere.

Which Division III school is he going to transfer to?  

[MUSF]

And if he doesn't have a "nice" career, or produces very little, will you admit you were wrong?

Has he admitted he was wrong about Reggie Smith?

[NersEllenson]

I didn't remember this one:

When's that burger getting here? I'm starving.

Nice.  Looks likes its going to be awhile TAMU.  Until then, stay thirsty my friend.

[NersEllenson]

Has he admitted he was wrong about Reggie Smith?

I was wrong about Reggie Smith...even though Buzz started him over Cadougan originally.  Then Reggie's head got twisted.

I was also wrong about Derrick Wilson - had some nice things to say about him as a freshman..particularly after the Wisconsin game.  Was neutral on him as a sophomore.  Blasted him as a Junior.

I was wrong about Erik Williams - thought he'd be a good player at MU.

Was wrong about Buzz Williams - thought he actually had good character and was a stand up guy.

That's a partial list.

I wasn't wrong about last year's coaching, or team prospects if Buzz kept rolling out that lineup.  Called it after OSU game last season...as could most anyone with a general sense of basketball.

[NersEllenson]

Um, am I missing something?  Saying OSU has guys who have the ability to score from all five positions making them difficult to defend, doesn't have anything to do with MU's offense.  You're dissecting a sentence taken from a comment that was meant to explain why playing OSU is difficult and trying to use it to support your established narrative that Derrick Wilson shouldn't play.  That's a pretty big reach, even for you.

Couldn't your "quote of the night" also be used to explain why Wilson gets the minutes he gets?  True, MU might be able to put a lineup out there that can score from all five positions, but are those same five playing with max effort at all times?  

My point is, that at minimum, there is a bit of irony if our Head Coach found OSU presented challenges due to their playing 5 guys who all can score - yet he chooses to play a guy who everyone on this planet knows can't score from his position.  Why would you as a coach not want to present a lineup that poses similar challenges to the one you are speaking of with regard to OSU?

As for the "Quote of the Night," I found it odd that Wojo apparently didn't feel we gave/got max effort for 40 minutes due to being shorthanded, yet he chose to bench a guy for the entire game.

Seems a little incongruent.  Feel free to disagree.

[MUSF]

My point is, that at minimum, there is a bit of irony if our Head Coach found OSU presented challenges due to their playing 5 guys who all can score - yet he chooses to play a guy who everyone on this planet knows can't score from his position.  Why would you as a coach not want to present a lineup that poses similar challenges to the one you are speaking of with regard to OSU?

As for the "Quote of the Night," I found it odd that Wojo apparently didn't feel we gave/got max effort for 40 minutes due to being shorthanded, yet he chose to bench a guy for the entire game.

Seems a little incongruent.  Feel free to disagree.

My point is you are breaking down his sentences to extract these bits of irony or inconsistencies that aren't really there when you focus on the broader points he is making.  Your obsession with your own narrative is preventing you from seeing the forest through the trees. 

[NersEllenson]

My point is you are breaking down his sentences to extract these bits of irony or inconsistencies that aren't really there when you focus on the broader points he is making.  Your obsession with your own narrative is preventing you from seeing the forest through the trees. 

Agree to disagree.  Seems to be incongruence on Wojo's part with regard to those quotes.  This doesn't mean I'm not bullish on Wojo - I'm quite bullish on him.  I expect he'll adjust accordingly as we near conference play.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Agree to disagree.  Seems to be incongruence on Wojo's part with regard to those quotes.  This doesn't mean I'm not bullish on Wojo - I'm quite bullish on him.  I expect he'll adjust accordingly as we near conference play.

If he doesn't adjust accordingly does that mean you are no longer bullish on Wojo? Or does that change your thinking on what our strategy should be?

[NersEllenson]

If he doesn't adjust accordingly does that mean you are no longer bullish on Wojo? Or does that change your thinking on what our strategy should be?

I'd only stop being bullish on Wojo if he keeps with the same strategy and we are losing repeatedly to Top 50 teams, assuming the player in question isn't showing any improvement.  I just don't want a repeat of last season.

I simply don't see any scenario where Derrick should be on the floor at the same time as Carlino.

[GGGG]

I'd only stop being bullish on Wojo if he keeps with the same strategy and we are losing repeatedly to Top 50 teams, assuming the player in question isn't showing any improvement.  I just don't want a repeat of last season.

I simply don't see any scenario where Derrick should be on the floor at the same time as Carlino.

But here is the rub...  If Wojo sticks to the same strategy, that will make *two* major college coaches that play Derrick more than Dawson.  Instead of saying "well Buzz is being stubborn" or "Wojo is being loyal to a senior," maybe the correct answer should be "John Dawson isn't as good as I thought."

Look, you are the one that says we can't make a good enough judgement on him based on his playing time.  That cuts both ways you know.  You can't then use the same amount of limited playing time to suggest that he is better.  There is all sorts of evidence to suggest he isn't...practice observations from the new beat reporter...decisions made by coaches...

[WarriorInNYC]

As for the "Quote of the Night," I found it odd that Wojo apparently didn't feel we gave/got max effort for 40 minutes due to being shorthanded, yet he chose to bench a guy for the entire game.

Seems a little incongruent.  Feel free to disagree.

Maybe Wojo, as his predecessor, feels that John isn't as talented as the other options to play him over tired legs.

That seems like the clear scenario here for me, but I know that doesn't fit your narrative.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I'd only stop being bullish on Wojo if he keeps with the same strategy and we are losing repeatedly to Top 50 teams, assuming the player in question isn't showing any improvement.  I just don't want a repeat of last season.

I simply don't see any scenario where Derrick should be on the floor at the same time as Carlino.

This is a point worth clarifying:

In the thread last year, you said Dawson should be getting Derrick's minutes due to his upside and talent ("it" factor).

Do you feel the same way this season, or has Carlino changed that?

[NersEllenson]

This is a point worth clarifying:

In the thread last year, you said Dawson should be getting Derrick's minutes due to his upside and talent ("it" factor).

Do you feel the same way this season, or has Carlino changed that?

Personally, yes, I'd rather see Dawson back up Carlino than Derrick.  However, with Carlino in the fold it isn't critical that Dawson play the point (nor should he) - last year however - it was critical that a change be made.

However, if Wojo wants to play Derrick, that's fine so long as the role is limited to 10 minutes per game as Carlino's sub.  I could handle 10 minutes of Derrick in that role.  I just don't "get" what Derrick brings to the table in a game while on the floor with Carlino (who has been the primary ball handler when they have been on the floor together.)  I feel Dawson is a very capable defender, as are JJJ and Cohen, and all 3 of those guys shoot it better than Derrick - so why have him on the floor with Carlino taking away time from more skilled/younger guys?

[NersEllenson]

But here is the rub...  If Wojo sticks to the same strategy, that will make *two* major college coaches that play Derrick more than Dawson.  Instead of saying "well Buzz is being stubborn" or "Wojo is being loyal to a senior," maybe the correct answer should be "John Dawson isn't as good as I thought."

Look, you are the one that says we can't make a good enough judgement on him based on his playing time.  That cuts both ways you know.  You can't then use the same amount of limited playing time to suggest that he is better.  There is all sorts of evidence to suggest he isn't...practice observations from the new beat reporter...decisions made by coaches...

These are all fair points.  My issue again, is that Derrick's performance was so incredibly abysmal last season, that I find/found it highly unlikely Dawson as a 3 star recruit (same as Derrick) who as a freshman shot 4 times better than Derrick from the 3 and 2 time better from the FT line, and showed he had a nice mid-range game, in GAMES - certainly wasn't evidence enough to me to think he's worse.

Some guys aren't practice players.  Some guys aren't good summer ball players. Some guys are gamers.   Whatever the case, we were talking about some historically bad production/performance at the PG position last season, and Buzz refused to change.

Were you yourself not surprised/shocked after DAwson played so well against GTown that the next home game against Nova he got 8 minutes?