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NersEllenson

Slightly disappointed with these quotes from Wojo as what he laments, he can correct.

"They present a number of difficulties to defend because they have guys who have the ability to score from all five positions," said first-year Marquette coach Steve Wojciechowski. "The way that they shoot the ball is outstanding. But our transition defense was not near what it needed to be."

QUOTE OF THE NIGHT
Wojciechowski on Ohio State's 10-man rotation: "Look, in order to beat a team like Ohio State, you have to have max effort for 40 minutes. Right now, because of where we are, we don't have the ability to play 10 guys."

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400588333
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

jesmu84

#1


Quote from: NersEllenson on November 14, 2014, 09:41:24 AM
Here's a question:  If I've been repeating myself for a year, does that not also mean the other side has been repeating their same stance/posture throughout the course of that same year?  Let's get real:  I don't just come here and start new thread after new thread on the topic of our PG situation.  It gets perpetuated just as much by the other side as it does me.  Others here post the opposite viewpoint many times, and because I disagree and won't back down from the position I believe - that makes my repeating myself for a year more offensive than those on the other side of the argument?

77ncaachamps

Quote from: NersEllenson on November 18, 2014, 10:25:07 PM
Slightly disappointed with these quotes from Wojo as what he laments, he can correct.

"They present a number of difficulties to defend because they have guys who have the ability to score from all five positions," said first-year Marquette coach Steve Wojciechowski. "The way that they shoot the ball is outstanding. But our transition defense was not near what it needed to be."

QUOTE OF THE NIGHT
Wojciechowski on Ohio State's 10-man rotation: "Look, in order to beat a team like Ohio State, you have to have max effort for 40 minutes. Right now, because of where we are, we don't have the ability to play 10 guys."

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400588333

I get the last quote.

Juan and Steve are gonna be dog gone tired at the end of each game until Luke joins the team.

Dawson, Cohen, and Derrick aren't guarding 6'6"+ post guys.
SS Marquette

rocky_warrior

Ners, you might want to rethink your dead horse beating.  Or else you might be forced to rethink it all by yourself at home.

79Warrior

Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 18, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
Ners, you might want to rethink your dead horse beating.  Or else you might be forced to rethink it all by yourself at home.

No kidding. Same old BS.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 18, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
Ners, you might want to rethink your dead horse beating.  Or else you might be forced to rethink it all by yourself at home.

Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Lighthouse 84

I like Carlino's quotes in Matty V's Notes and Quotes:

Carlino recognized during the final media timeout with 3:38 left that some of his teammates had negative body language. As one of the few players with experience, he decided to say something about it.

"When we were down 20 and we had that final group out ... I told the guys, 'It's still very important that we cut this thing down.' Because that's what the NCAA looks at at the end of the year, how much this team lost by. You lose by 11 as opposed to 25 it's a whole different story. Obviously you never want to lose, but just trying to keep the guys focused throughout the whole game is what I was trying to do."

What stands out most about that statement is that Carlino's already thinking about the NCAA Tournament selection committee. It may only be November, but he's considering how things will look come March and believes his team can be in the NCAA Tournament discussion.

Over that final 3:38, Marquette went on a 12-3 run. Sure, it was against a loose Ohio State defense, but there's something to be said about finishing strong.

Here's the link to the whole thing.  Glad we have Carlino this year....and Matty V.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/283146901.html
HILLTOP SENIOR SURVEY from 1984 Yearbook: 
Favorite Drinking Establishment:

1. The Avalanche.              7. Major Goolsby's.
2. The Gym.                      8. Park Avenue.
3. The Ardmore.                 9. Mugrack.
4. O'Donohues.                 10. Lighthouse.
5. O'Pagets.
6. Hagerty's.

frozena pizza

Yep, Carlino didn't have a great night, but he is clearly this team's leader and I'm excited to see what he will bring to this team.

skianth16

Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on November 19, 2014, 07:21:12 AM
Here's the link to the whole thing.  Glad we have Carlino this year....and Matty V.

Couldn't agree more about having Velazquez this year. He's been good enough for me to break down and get a MJS subscription just to keep reading his MU coverage. Maybe he'll even be able to replace the Rosiak-shaped hole in my heart.

NersEllenson

Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 18, 2014, 10:44:01 PM
Ners, you might want to rethink your dead horse beating.  Or else you might be forced to rethink it all by yourself at home.

I've rethought this post and I stand by it - it was a valid post/point.  We can play 5 guys that all the ability to score, and we could have gone 9 deep.  I felt it was interesting that Wojo was lamenting the challenges OSU presented, yet he could have employed a very similar strategy as did OSU.

Nailing Dawson to the bench for the whole game was bizarre.  Hell even some of those who argued against me regarding Dawson last season felt he was more suited to play against zone defense.  The kid can knock down shots (Diener said as much) and he can't get any time?  

"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

Daniel

The quotes are accurate.  OSU has players who can score from all positions. That is harder to defend. Some teams don't.

And we right not cannot play with a 10 man rotation. We have 9 eligible.  Now the Dawson thing us a separate issue.  Wojo must have reasons why he is not seeing the floor. I don't pretend to know why.


Lennys Tap

#11
Quote from: NersEllenson on November 19, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
I've rethought this post and I stand by it - it was a valid post/point.  We can play 5 guys that all the ability to score, and we could have gone 9 deep.  I felt it was interesting that Wojo was lamenting the challenges OSU presented, yet he could have employed a very similar strategy as did OSU.

Nailing Dawson to the bench for the whole game was bizarre.  Hell even some of those who argued against me regarding Dawson last season felt he was more suited to play against zone defense.  The kid can knock down shots (Diener said as much) and he can't get any time?  



Last year you thought Buzz was throwing games on purpose by not playing Dawson and Burton starter's minutes. They're now a year older, stronger and more experienced and on a 9 man team. Dawson plays LESS than last year and Deonte is playing behind a freshman. Any chance you might have overestimated their readiness to be prime time players? Or is Wojo a stubborn egomaniac trying to prove a point to the administration?

Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: NersEllenson on November 19, 2014, 09:05:49 AM
I've rethought this post and I stand by it - it was a valid post/point.  We can play 5 guys that all the ability to score, and we could have gone 9 deep.  I felt it was interesting that Wojo was lamenting the challenges OSU presented, yet he could have employed a very similar strategy as did OSU.

Nailing Dawson to the bench for the whole game was bizarre.  Hell even some of those who argued against me regarding Dawson last season felt he was more suited to play against zone defense.  The kid can knock down shots (Diener said as much) and he can't get any time?  



Honestly, I would not read too much into 1 game. Let's see how it plays out.

But, if the trend continues, maybe JD just isn't the guy you/we think he is.

(Or, maybe both Buzz and Wojo are trying to tank games.) I'm kidding.

noblewarrior

I'm smelling a possible red shirt opportunity/option regarding Dawson.  It would explain a lot.

MU B2002

Quote from: noblewarrior on November 19, 2014, 09:51:22 AM
I'm smelling a possible red shirt opportunity/option regarding Dawson.  It would explain a lot.


Especially since the roster is soo deep
"VPI"
- Mike Hunt

Lennys Tap

Quote from: noblewarrior on November 19, 2014, 09:51:22 AM
I'm smelling a possible red shirt opportunity/option regarding Dawson.  It would explain a lot.

We have 9 guys suiting up - I don't think you redshirt a guy under those circumstances. My guess is a transfer is much more likely.

River rat

Ummm no on the redshirt .  You redshirt guys that need a year and can be big contributors eventually with it.  Dawson will be behind cheatum n noskowiak next year too
He is what he is, the 10th 12th best player in the program, maybe he can crack the rotation in a year or two, u dont use a redshirt on that type of player.  Great kid im sure but a mid major type player at best

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Dawson already played 4 minutes against UT-Martin.  Redshirt is gone unless he gets injured and a medical redshirt.

Nevada233

#18
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 19, 2014, 09:54:00 AM
We have 9 guys suiting up - I don't think you redshirt a guy under those circumstances. My guess is a transfer is much more likely.

Would you be actually be surprised if he left, I wouldn't??

Baylor, Colorado, Creighton, Wyoming, New Mexico, New Mexico state and others recruited him...

Its not like he was a walk on, If he can't find minutes here i'm sure there are other schools where he can.


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/162866/john-dawson


NersEllenson

Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 19, 2014, 09:37:32 AM
Last year you thought Buzz was throwing games on purpose by not playing Dawson and Burton starter's minutes. They're now a year older, stronger and more experienced and on a 9 man team. Dawson plays LESS than last year and Deonte is playing behind a freshman. Any chance you might have overestimated their readiness to be prime time players? Or is Wojo a stubborn egomaniac trying to prove a point to the administration?

It's still early Lenny.  It's still early.  Never thought Dawson would be a "prime time player" last year, but he certainly wasn't going to be any worse than what the alternative was.  As for Burton, I still believe he is a prime time player, and will prove that out by the end of the year and should have been given more minutes last season as should have Dawson.

What I won't forgive Buzz for is this:  Derrick, Jake, Juan, Jamil, Otule.

We disagree on Buzz - you feel he's a stand up, high character, amazing person/coach and guy - I feel his character got revealed last season and by his quotes since leaving.  I also know he completely lost that team last year and was facing multiple transfers of guys he recruited if he stayed (not to mention McKay bailing on him before the season even started.)
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Nevada233 on November 19, 2014, 10:03:02 AM
Would you be actually be surprised if he left, I wouldn't??

Baylor, Colorado, Creighton, Wyoming, New Mexico, New Mexico state and others recruited him...

Its not like he was a walk on, If he can't find minutes here i'm sure there are other schools where he can.


http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/162866/john-dawson



I wouldn't be surprised - thought I was clear on that. He was the 44th rated point guard, offered only by Creighton, Wyoming and us. Baylor, New Mexico, New Mexico St and Colorado never offered. Maybe he's in a little over his head and a transfer to a lower profile program would serve him well.

NersEllenson

Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on November 19, 2014, 07:21:12 AM
I like Carlino's quotes in Matty V's Notes and Quotes:

Carlino recognized during the final media timeout with 3:38 left that some of his teammates had negative body language. As one of the few players with experience, he decided to say something about it.

"When we were down 20 and we had that final group out ... I told the guys, 'It's still very important that we cut this thing down.' Because that's what the NCAA looks at at the end of the year, how much this team lost by. You lose by 11 as opposed to 25 it's a whole different story. Obviously you never want to lose, but just trying to keep the guys focused throughout the whole game is what I was trying to do."

What stands out most about that statement is that Carlino's already thinking about the NCAA Tournament selection committee. It may only be November, but he's considering how things will look come March and believes his team can be in the NCAA Tournament discussion.

Over that final 3:38, Marquette went on a 12-3 run. Sure, it was against a loose Ohio State defense, but there's something to be said about finishing strong.

Here's the link to the whole thing.  Glad we have Carlino this year....and Matty V.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/283146901.html


Some great stuff here from Carlino - he's proving to be a very valuable addition.  We damn near doubled our point total from last year's game, even though the squad lost 72% of its points from last year - and Carlino is a huge part of why.  Great quotes and great that he identified that as a possible reality - loss margin for NCAA tourney consideration.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

Silkk the Shaka

Dawson has the size, strength, athleticism, instincts, and skill to be a solid to good high major player. I hope he sticks with the program and starts to earn minutes this year, I think he could help out at both the 1 & 2.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: NersEllenson on November 19, 2014, 10:08:57 AM


What I won't forgive Buzz for is this:  Derrick, Jake, Juan, Jamil, Otule.



Did that lineup ever play more than three minutes? Mayo and Gardner were the guys who in effect started since they played the big minutes - not Anderson and Otule. You know that.

Nevada233

Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on November 19, 2014, 10:18:01 AM
Dawson has the size, strength, athleticism, instincts, and skill to be a solid to good high major player. I hope he sticks with the program and starts to earn minutes this year, I think he could help out at both the 1 & 2.

Indeed I don't know where that Mid-Major thing came from....

Things will play themselves out... Lets all just relax... Hes not just gonna "DNP" the whole season with a 8 Man rotation worst case scenario (Injuries, Foul Trouble) are all bound to happen hes gonna see the floor... Unless Wojo and Deiner are gonna play....

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