Interesting Postgame Quotes - Wojo

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Never thought Dawson would be a "prime time player" last year

You're kidding, right? You don't remember post after post waxing poetic about Dawson's abilities (if only that Buzz would stop intentionally throwing games!)?

Well, memory loss would explain the need to continuously post the same diatribes about Derrick Wilson time after time after time after time....

[GGGG]

You're kidding, right? You don't remember post after post waxing poetic about Dawson's abilities (if only that Buzz would stop intentionally throwing games!)?

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=40505.msg529742#msg529742

"Dawson has the look of a better point guard than we've had here since Diener.  Yes...a huge statement...but he's making passes that are Magic Johnson good."

NOTE:  This was after a game against Grambling.

[willie warrior]

You're kidding, right? You don't remember post after post waxing poetic about Dawson's abilities (if only that Buzz would stop intentionally throwing games!)?

Well, memory loss would explain the need to continuously post the same diatribes about Derrick Wilson time after time after time after time....

Don't think there was "waxing poetic" about Dawson--merely Ners trying to explain why he believed Dawson was a better option at PG than Derrick. Now, if you want to classify that as "waxing poetic", then it should also be stated that the defenses of Derrick's game are "greasing the BS chute as Griswald greased his snow sled". Merry Christmas with that yuletide mention.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Don't think there was "waxing poetic" about Dawson--merely Ners trying to explain why he believed Dawson was a better option at PG than Derrick. Now, if you want to classify that as "waxing poetic", then it should also be stated that the defenses of Derrick's game are "greasing the BS chute as Griswald greased his snow sled". Merry Christmas with that yuletide mention.

LOL Sultan beat me to it, if Magic Dawson isn't poetic than IDK what is

[NersEllenson]

I'm sure someone will blast me for being PC, but I would appreciate if you found other language to express your frustration in the future. It's something that has affected my family and I don't take it lightly.

Sorry TAMU.

[NersEllenson]

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=40505.msg529742#msg529742

"Dawson has the look of a better point guard than we've had here since Diener.  Yes...a huge statement...but he's making passes that are Magic Johnson good."

NOTE:  This was after a game against Grambling.

Out of curiousity - have you bookmarked about 10 of my posts that you like to re-hash in weak attempts to make me look stupid?  I won't stoop to your childish level and pull a history of some of your "brilliant" posts.

I never called Dawson - "Magic Dawson."  Said he made passes that were Magic Johnson good - and he did in the Grambling...perhaps I'll see if I can video edit that game and upload them for everyone to debate.  The guy sees the floor incredibly well and regardless of what you want to think - when Dawson did get to play in games last year, our offense looked MUCH better than the alternative.

What is really, really sad is that you and the handful of others continue to make excuse after excuse after excuse for the inept PG play Derrick has given us.  It's still quite early this season and you can jump to all kinds of conclusions - it doesn't look good for Dawson...it looks likely Derrick is going to play 20 per game.  Coaches are capable of crushing on certain players and their PT isn't always commensurate with their actual production.  A hard working, tough, solid defender, high character guy is a guy that many coaches like - particularly when the head coach was the exact same thing.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Sorry TAMU.

Appreciate it

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Out of curiousity - have you bookmarked about 10 of my posts that you like to re-hash in weak attempts to make me look stupid?  I won't stoop to your childish level and pull a history of some of your "brilliant" posts.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but why does it bother you so much that people use post history?

If people want to look up my statements, they are welcome to do so. If I'm wrong, I'll just say: "Yep, I was waaay off."

I don't think it's that big of a deal. I can be held accountable for my statements.

[NersEllenson]

I'm not trying to be a dick, but why does it bother you so much that people use post history?

If people want to look up my statements, they are welcome to do so. If I'm wrong, I'll just say: "Yep, I was waaay off."

I don't think it's that big of a deal. I can be held accountable for my statements.

When it is the same guy, primarily, that pulls that maneuver - yeah, it gets a little annoying.  I won't "reciprocate" out of having a degree of maturity.  There have been plenty of bone-headed statements made here, and Sultan certainly doesn't lack for his share.  And btw, I don't consider my take on Dawson to be boneheaded, and whether it is at MU or elsewhere he will prove to be a quality college basketball player.

Perhaps Sultan will soon be pulling up my statements after 5 games into Davante's career saying he'd be as good or better than Robert Jackson was.  Perhaps he'll pull up my statements that upon Jake Thomas's transfer here, that I said he'd play minutes during meaningful parts of games (not typical walk on status - to which Sultan of course said I was crazy.)  Or that Buzz would likely lead us to Elite 8s/Final Fours if he were here 10 years (statement I made during his first year on the job.)  Point is - if you want to re-hash things that at present look like dumb comments, you can also go back and point out numerous ones that were prescient. 

As for you, you never make any forward looking statements, predictions, or prognostications.  You simply offer up generic post after post after post that doesn't generate any debate.  I'd imagine your investment portfolio contains no small caps, but instead is placed in low return large caps, perhaps not even in the stock market, but just bonds.  Nothing wrong with all of that of course, but you are the classic case of "safe."  

You and others may not like my posts, may disagree wholeheartedly, think I'm a douche or any of the like - yet, at least it generates some discussion and passion around here.

[MerrittsMustache]

When it is the same guy, primarily, that pulls that maneuver - yeah, it gets a little annoying.  I won't "reciprocate" out of having a degree of maturity.  There have been plenty of bone-headed statements made here, and Sultan certainly doesn't lack for his share.  And btw, I don't consider my take on Dawson to be boneheaded, and whether it is at MU or elsewhere he will prove to be a quality college basketball player.

Perhaps Sultan will soon be pulling up my statements after 5 games into Davante's career saying he'd be as good or better than Robert Jackson was.  Perhaps he'll pull up my statements that upon Jake Thomas's transfer here, that I said he'd play minutes during meaningful parts of games (not typical walk on status - to which Sultan of course said I was crazy.)  Or that Buzz would likely lead us to Elite 8s/Final Fours if he were here 10 years (statement I made during his first year on the job.)  Point is - if you want to re-hash things that at present look like dumb comments, you can also go back and point out numerous ones that were prescient.  

As for you, you never make any forward looking statements, predictions, or prognostications.  You simply offer up generic post after post after post that doesn't generate any debate.  I'd imagine your investment portfolio contains no small caps, but instead is placed in low return large caps, perhaps not even in the stock market, but just bonds.  Nothing wrong with all of that of course, but you are the classic case of "safe."  

You and others may not like my posts, may disagree wholeheartedly, think I'm a douche or any of the like - yet, at least it generates some discussion and passion around here.

1) Gardner wasn't better than Robert Jackson.

2) Yeah, Ammo! Say something ridiculous that's proven to be false and then beat it to death over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread. Drive posters away...I mean, generate some discussion!

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

When it is the same guy, primarily, that pulls that maneuver - yeah, it gets a little annoying.  I won't "reciprocate" out of having a degree of maturity.  There have been plenty of bone-headed statements made here, and Sultan certainly doesn't lack for his share.  And btw, I don't consider my take on Dawson to be boneheaded, and whether it is at MU or elsewhere he will prove to be a quality college basketball player.

Perhaps Sultan will soon be pulling up my statements after 5 games into Davante's career saying he'd be as good or better than Robert Jackson was.  Perhaps he'll pull up my statements that upon Jake Thomas's transfer here, that I said he'd play minutes during meaningful parts of games (not typical walk on status - to which Sultan of course said I was crazy.)  Or that Buzz would likely lead us to Elite 8s/Final Fours if he were here 10 years (statement I made during his first year on the job.)  Point is - if you want to re-hash things that at present look like dumb comments, you can also go back and point out numerous ones that were prescient.  

As for you, you never make any forward looking statements, predictions, or prognostications.  You simply offer up generic post after post after post that doesn't generate any debate.  I'd imagine your investment portfolio contains no small caps, but instead is placed in low return large caps, perhaps not even in the stock market, but just bonds.  Nothing wrong with all of that of course, but you are the classic case of "safe."  

You and others may not like my posts, may disagree wholeheartedly, think I'm a douche or any of the like - yet, at least it generates some discussion and passion around here.

I think it's totally fine to reciprocate. I think it's a reasonable response. People can be held accountable for their opinions, and it's okay to admit when you're wrong. I'm wrong a lot, trust me.

If you want, feel free to go back and look at my predictions in your Dawson thread. I made several of them, and I was right in that case.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=40505.100

I also made a prediction/bet with you about Todd Mayo vs Vander, which I won. Remember?

You keep trying to back me into a corner about not being BOLD with my opinions. I'm sorry that my sports takes aren't hot enough for you.

Here is a promise you made me last year:

And yes, I stand by my statement that Dawson is the real deal, and has the "it" factor.  I'll be sure to remind you, Brew, and Guns of this when Dawson proves it out.  Will be fun to serve you guys a deserved sh$t burger.

I would love for Dawson to be awesome, and I will gladly admit that I was wrong.

[Pakuni]

You keep trying to back me into a corner about not being BOLD with my opinions. I'm sorry that my sports takes aren't hot enough for you.

You could be the Stephen A. to Ners' Skip.

Sorry to hear about your overly conservative investment strategies.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

You could be the Stephen A. to Ners' Skip.

Sorry to hear about your overly conservative investment strategies.

Times are tough all around. I appreciate the sentiment.

Maybe the mods can start a campaign to help Ammo's investments?

Creatine and armbands aren't free, fellas.

[Freeport Warrior]

I won't "reciprocate" out of having a degree of maturity.

That quote made me laugh.

It's alright to lose, kid. One key to maturity is knowing when to throw in the towel (and doing it gracefully). It's becoming pretty obvious Dawson isn't the savior/solution/player you hoped/thought he would be. It's alright. We all lose.

Instead of going on and on and on and on about Dawson v. Derek, just take your lumps and move on.

Ners: It's becoming painfully obvious I may have overestimated Dawson. Can't wait to have a solution at point guard.
Everyone else: Derek wasn't a great solution either
Ners: Good thing we have Nick and Duane next year, plus Haanif
Everyone else: We're going to have to take our lumps this year, but the future is bright

The End.

[RJax55]

1) Gardner wasn't better than Robert Jackson.

2) Yeah, Ammo! Say something ridiculous that's proven to be false and then beat it to death over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread. Drive posters away...I mean, generate some discussion!

That post by Ners was great. Perfectly sums him up. Most come to Scoop to talk some hoops, kill time, have some laughs, wax on about bygone MU days, perhaps vent some frustrations.

Ners, he uses Scoop to extol the virtues of Ners. Just look at those predictions. And, how quickly it took him to make them. What a basketball savant.

And, good lord, if his predictions don't happen.

[NersEllenson]

I think it's totally fine to reciprocate. I think it's a reasonable response. People can be held accountable for their opinions, and it's okay to admit when you're wrong. I'm wrong a lot, trust me.

If you want, feel free to go back and look at my predictions in your Dawson thread. I made several of them, and I was right in that case.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=40505.100

I also made a prediction/bet with you about Todd Mayo vs Vander, which I won. Remember?

You keep trying to back me into a corner about not being BOLD with my opinions. I'm sorry that my sports takes aren't hot enough for you.

Here is a promise you made me last year:
I would love for Dawson to be awesome, and I will gladly admit that I was wrong.

I do recall "losing" the Vander/Mayo bet by I believe .03ppg in conference play as sophomores - wasn't that the bet?  Probably should have done points per minute, and of course Todd was coming off being out the whole first half of his sophomore season.

We'll see where things end up with Dawson, but of course it isn't looking promising for me at this point.  Yet I have no doubt he'll be a good player whether at MU or elsewhere.

[jesmu84]

That post by Ners was great. Perfectly sums him up. Most come to Scoop to talk some hoops, kill time, have some laughs, wax on about bygone MU days, perhaps vent some frustrations.

Ners, he uses Scoop to extol the virtues of Ners. Just look at those predictions. And, how quickly it took him to make them. What a basketball savant.

And, good lord, if his predictions don't happen.

If his predictions don't happen, it wasn't because Ners was wrong. It was because of 1023 other factors that led to his prediction being wrong.

[NersEllenson]

1) Gardner wasn't better than Robert Jackson.

2) Yeah, Ammo! Say something ridiculous that's proven to be false and then beat it to death over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread. Drive posters away...I mean, generate some discussion!

Robert Jackson better than Gardner?  

Robert Jackson:  Hmm...guy played with 3 NBA'ers, including the best player to ever play at MU, had Travis Diener at PG additionally along with D-Wade.

Would have loved to see R-Jax operate on last year's team.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I do recall "losing" the Vander/Mayo bet by I believe .03ppg in conference play as sophomores - wasn't that the bet?  Probably should have done points per minute, and of course Todd was coming off being out the whole first half of his sophomore season.

We'll see where things end up with Dawson, but of course it isn't looking promising for me at this point.  Yet I have no doubt he'll be a good player whether at MU or elsewhere.

Listen, I don't bring up that bet to brag, I bring it up because you repeat this narrative that I don't make enough predictions or take BOLD stances.

You have even tried to examine my personal life on several occasions. (I assure you, Ammo does fine with his online poker career. )

I've made several wagers on this forum. I'm currently clean shaven because I made a dumb prediction about Joel Embiid. Feel free to look it up. I was an idiot.

My point is, it's okay to say "Ya, I got that wrong", and it's even okay to NOT make predictions about something.

If you continue to make BOLD PREDICTIONS and don't admit when you are wrong, people are going to throw it in your face.

[NersEllenson]

Listen, I don't bring up that bet to brag, I bring it up because you repeat this narrative that I don't make enough predictions or take BOLD stances.

You have even tried to examine my personal life on several occasions. (I assure you, Ammo does fine with his online poker career. )

I've made several wagers on this forum. I'm currently clean shaven because I made a dumb prediction about Joel Embiid. Feel free to look it up. I was an idiot.

My point is, it's okay to say "Ya, I got that wrong", and it's even okay to NOT make predictions about something.

If you continue to make BOLD PREDICTIONS and don't admit when you are wrong, people are going to throw it in your face.

That's fine.  Problem is we have seen exactly 1 freaking game of what Dawson can do if given 30 minutes of playing time...and not to my surprise, it went well.  Has never gotten anything close to that since.  If you want to come to the conclusion that he sucks, and is worse than Derrick fine.  I just don't believe it personally, so therefore I'm not going to admit that I'm wrong.  He showed nice flashes of potential last year in incredibly inconsistent playing time.  He showed moments of weakness as well as far as some relatively unforced turnovers.

He shoots 80% from the FT line last season, and there is no such thing as a guy who is a good free throw shooter who also isn't a good perimeter shooter.

Sorry, I refuse to throw the towel in on the guy, even if Wojo has designated him for 9th man through 2 games this season.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

That's fine.  Problem is we have seen exactly 1 freaking game of what Dawson can do if given 30 minutes of playing time...and not to my surprise, it went well.  Has never gotten anything close to that since.  If you want to come to the conclusion that he sucks, and is worse than Derrick fine.  I just don't believe it personally, so therefore I'm not going to admit that I'm wrong.  He showed nice flashes of potential last year in incredibly inconsistent playing time.  He showed moments of weakness as well as far as some relatively unforced turnovers.

He shoots 80% from the FT line last season, and there is no such thing as a guy who is a good free throw shooter who also isn't a good perimeter shooter.

Sorry, I refuse to throw the towel in on the guy, even if Wojo has designated him for 9th man through 2 games this season.

I don't think anybody is asking you to say that "Dawson SUCKS", maybe just pump the brakes a little bit?

Also, I'm pretty sure this isn't true:

He shoots 80% from the FT line last season, and there is no such thing as a guy who is a good free throw shooter who also isn't a good perimeter shooter.

Do you need me to take the time to look it up, or do you just want to take it back?

[GGGG]

Out of curiousity - have you bookmarked about 10 of my posts that you like to re-hash in weak attempts to make me look stupid?  I won't stoop to your childish level and pull a history of some of your "brilliant" posts.

I never called Dawson - "Magic Dawson."  Said he made passes that were Magic Johnson good - and he did in the Grambling...perhaps I'll see if I can video edit that game and upload them for everyone to debate.  The guy sees the floor incredibly well and regardless of what you want to think - when Dawson did get to play in games last year, our offense looked MUCH better than the alternative.

What is really, really sad is that you and the handful of others continue to make excuse after excuse after excuse for the inept PG play Derrick has given us.  It's still quite early this season and you can jump to all kinds of conclusions - it doesn't look good for Dawson...it looks likely Derrick is going to play 20 per game.  Coaches are capable of crushing on certain players and their PT isn't always commensurate with their actual production.  A hard working, tough, solid defender, high character guy is a guy that many coaches like - particularly when the head coach was the exact same thing.

You can call up my post history all you want.  I don't care.  Seriously, if you want to create a Sultan's Greatest Hits thread and bring up all the dumb predictions I made, go right ahead.

I am not making excuses for Derrick.  I said his play was poor last year.  It has been poor this year.  The difference is that he was the best option last year.  He is the third option this year.  

[GGGG]

Coaches are capable of crushing on certain players and their PT isn't always commensurate with their actual production.  A hard working, tough, solid defender, high character guy is a guy that many coaches like - particularly when the head coach was the exact same thing.

Or maybe Wojo, like Buzz, simply thinks he's the better option.

[jesmu84]

Also, I'm pretty sure this isn't true:

Do you need me to take the time to look it up, or do you just want to take it back?

Yao Ming, 84%FT: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mingya01.html

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Yao Ming, 84%FT: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mingya01.html

Davante avg. 79% FT for his career, and was 3-23 lifetime from 3pt.