"girls night out" is sexual harassment?

[chapman]

No winners in these sorts of things.

I enjoy the amusement and the distraction.  Therefore I win 

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I just keep thinking this.
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/franksinatra/theboysnightout.html


FRANK SINATRA LYRICS

"The Boys' Night Out"

Hey there, mister, build a fence 'round your sister, it's the...
 The boys' night out.
 Hey there, buster, it's the indians after custer, it's the.
 The boys' night out.
 They're out to do the town, and before they're through,
 It's bound to be liken to.
 The night they lost the titanic and the wall street panic.
 What they're seeking is a little chickie-chicking, it's the..
 The boys' night out,
 And that moon's about as big as a honey dew,
 It's the boys' night out, and they're so romantic, I'll give you a clue,
 What the boys are out after, the girls are out after too.

[music interlude]

 They're out to do the town, and before they're through,
 It's bound to be liken to.
 The night they lost the titanic and the wall street panic,
 What they're seeking is a little chickie-chicking, it's the..
 The boys' night out,
 And that moon's about as big as a honey dew,
 It's the boys' night out, and they're so romantic, but I will give you a clue,
 What the boys are out after, the girls are out after,
 What the boys are out after, the girls are out after too.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

If Step 1 is Susanne Foster being offended and going to Chairman South and Step 2 is Chairman South's letter and trip to the HR department then I'm in total agreement. Both were out of line. The guy fighting for his career/reputation or the guy who reported it? Not so much.

Fair point.

RE: Reporting/reporter:

I think it's noble to pull back the curtain and report the facts, but not-so-noble to use it as a bullet point in your bigger agenda/argument, which has a lot of opinion in it.

I find myself nodding along for the first 4 paragraphs, and then transitions into something where I'm just rolling my eyes, and moving on with my day.

[GGGG]

Fair point.

RE: Reporting/reporter:

I think it's noble to pull back the curtain and report the facts, but not-so-noble to use it as a bullet point in your bigger agenda/argument, which has a lot of opinion in it.

I find myself nodding along for the first 4 paragraphs, and then transitions into something where I'm just rolling my eyes, and moving on with my day.

And really, is it *that* much of a revelation that academia has some nutcases working in its ranks?

[mu03eng]

And really, is it *that* much of a revelation that academia has some nutcases working in its ranks?

In other news, water is wet.

[keefe]

 What they're seeking is a little chickie-chicking,
 

What exactly does he mean by this? Can anyone shed some light here?

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

The two professors involved in this dust up should just get it over with and have sex already.

[rocket surgeon]

serious question-why is the term "girls" offensive? maybe it's my inner cro-magnonism coming out i have no problems with someone referring to us as boys. hell, it makes me feel younger.  i obviously understand it is very offensive to refer to an african american as "boy"/singular.  anyway, honest question then-what is the proper reference for women?

[warriorchick]

serious question-why is the term "girls" offensive? maybe it's my inner cro-magnonism coming out i have no problems with someone referring to us as boys. hell, it makes me feel younger.  i obviously understand it is very offensive to refer to an african american as "boy"/singular.  anyway, honest question then-what is the proper reference for women?

Here's my POV:

It's all about context.

As a general rule, you should never refer to a female as a "girl" in a business setting.  It can be demeaning.  If you are on a friendly basis, it's okay to use "girl" when talking about non-business matters.

Okay:  "Where are you girls going for lunch today?" (If speaking to some work friends)

Not okay:  "There's a girl from HR here to see you."

[Sir Lawrence]

Here's my POV:

It's all about context.

As a general rule, you should never refer to a female as a "girl" in a business setting.  It can be demeaning.  If you are on a friendly basis, it's okay to use "girl" when talking about non-business matters.

Okay:  "Where are you girls going for lunch today?" (If speaking to some work friends)

Not okay:  "There's a girl from HR here to see you."

What's your take on "gal."

As in "what are you gals doing for lunch today?"

[warriorchick]

What's your take on "gal."

As in "what are you gals doing for lunch today?"

Gal works.  Probably a safer choice than "girl" in most cases.

When in doubt, though, I'd play it safe and use "ladies".

[rocket surgeon]

thank you!

[keefe]

When in doubt, though, I'd play it safe and use "ladies".

Well, what if the lady ain't no lady but the lady is a tramp?

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Well, what if the lady ain't no lady but the lady is a tramp?

    Then I would call her "often"

[mu03eng]

    Then I would call her "often"

HEY OH

[warriorchick]

Well, what if the lady ain't no lady but the lady is a tramp?

Keefe, based on this and other posts of yours,  I am starting to understand how that whole Tailhook thing happened.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

What they're seeking is a little chickie-chicking,
 
What exactly does he mean by this? Can anyone shed some light here?

Out seeking attractive gals (or ladies).  Keefe, maybe this will help. 

Talk Like Frank Sinatra
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/02/11/talk-like-frank-sinatra/

[mu03eng]

Keefe, based on this and other posts of yours,  I am starting to understand how that whole Tailhook thing happened.

Tailhook was Navy....Keefe is very definitely an Air Force guy, I don't care if someone had a lapse in situational awareness and gave him gold wings, don't complement him by putting him in such an esteemed group as Naval Aviators.....ya know, horrible, misogynistic behavior aside.

[GGGG]

Here's my POV:

It's all about context.

As a general rule, you should never refer to a female as a "girl" in a business setting.  It can be demeaning.  If you are on a friendly basis, it's okay to use "girl" when talking about non-business matters.

Okay:  "Where are you girls going for lunch today?" (If speaking to some work friends)

Not okay:  "There's a girl from HR here to see you."

This.

And since I'm a guy, I would never use it in the workplace even with people I am familiar with.  Maybe it's because I work in the hyper-sensitive higher education environment I mentioned above, but I don't do or say *anything* that could be misinterpreted.  I don't even tell co-workers how nice they look.

[Lennys Tap]

This.

And since I'm a guy, I would never use it in the workplace even with people I am familiar with.  Maybe it's because I work in the hyper-sensitive higher education environment I mentioned above, but I don't do or say *anything* that could be misinterpreted.  I don't even tell co-workers how nice they look.

As usual, the pendulum has swung from one extreme to the other.

[jsglow]

This.

And since I'm a guy, I would never use it in the workplace even with people I am familiar with.  Maybe it's because I work in the hyper-sensitive higher education environment I mentioned above, but I don't do or say *anything* that could be misinterpreted.  I don't even tell co-workers how nice they look.

Agreed.  And doesn't the world suck as a result? Shame on Dr. Foster for not having any perspective.  The gap between nice normal human interaction and genuine harassment should be wide enough that a 6 year old understands.

Note to self. Tell chick that she looks nice.

[real chili 83]

Agreed.  And doesn't the world suck as a result? Shame on Dr. Foster for not having any perspective.  The gap between nice normal human interaction and genuine harassment should be wide enough that a 6 year old understands.

Note to self. Tell chick that she looks nice HOT.

FIFY

[keefe]

    Then I would call her "often"

Superb!

[keefe]

Keefe, based on this and other posts of yours,  I am starting to understand how that whole Tailhook thing happened.

Frank Sinatra played Tailhook??

[Benny B]

Gal works.  Probably a safer choice than "girl" in most cases.

When in doubt, though, I'd play it safe and use "ladies".

What about being referred to collectively as "guys" amongst a group that may or may not include male colleagues?

Example: "Where are you guys going to lunch today?"  Does it make a difference whether the group is predominantly male, predominantly female or entirely female?