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« on: February 28, 2014, 10:03:43 AM »
We've got Superbar threads devoted to a variety of sports topics:  NFL, MLB...even fishing.  I figured that there is a small but passionate group of us who might like to see a volleyball thread.  Since the "It's Iowa" thread had transformed itself into a discussion of the Men's tournament, I figured the time was right.  So, wadesworld, melissa and esard...here we go.

For those of you on campus, what is the feeling about Theis?
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2014, 10:06:34 AM »
Love his resume. Also love the fact that he was able to keep every single person and recruit on the team except Alyssa Goehner and one person you will see very soon. Although that person literally did not play a point all of last year so its pretty understandable. Also, the girls on the vball team say he does their off season workouts with them which is awesome to hear about a coach.

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2014, 10:16:23 AM »
Love his resume. Also love the fact that he was able to keep every single person and recruit on the team except Alyssa Goehner and one person you will see very soon. Although that person literally did not play a point all of last year so its pretty understandable. Also, the girls on the vball team say he does their off season workouts with them which is awesome to hear about a coach.

I know he was well-liked at Ohio, so that doesn't surprise me.  I also thought it was interesting that he brought his top assistant from Ohio.  Some thought she could have had the top job there is she wanted it...I have no idea if that is true or not.  But she's a good coach too.  Shymansky left some big shoes to fill, but Marquette's off to a good start.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2014, 10:19:36 AM »
I know he was well-liked at Ohio, so that doesn't surprise me.  I also thought it was interesting that he brought his top assistant from Ohio.  Some thought she could have had the top job there is she wanted it...I have no idea if that is true or not.  But she's a good coach too.  Shymansky left some big shoes to fill, but Marquette's off to a good start.

Good luck getting recruits in Iowa...I would say after California Illinois is far and away the best volleyball state. Wisconsin isnt too shabby either so that helps MUs recruiting.

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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2014, 10:37:39 AM »
In the early stages it looks like a good hire. Keep your fingers crossed
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 10:51:31 AM »
Good luck getting recruits in Iowa...I would say after California Illinois is far and away the best volleyball state. Wisconsin isnt too shabby either so that helps MUs recruiting.

Guys or girls?  Girls are all over the map.  Minnesota has some really strong club programs that produce some high level recruits, as does Nebraska, Texas.

Guys nobody can come close to California.  Illinois would be second just based on numbers, but not a ton of those kids pan out (personally don't think a lot of those club programs teach very good fundamentals, just get athletes and say "let's go play some ball").  Wisconsin goes up and down.  Will have 2-4 years where a total of 2 or 3 kids are D1 recruits and then will have a year where 7 (like the high school class of 2012 - considering there are only 36ish D1 programs that is pretty incredible) go to D1 programs (and many of them contribute).  New York, meh.  They have a really big recruit every once in a while.  Virginia is on the rise.  Coastal from Virginia Beach is coming on strong as a club program and traveling all over the place to get some strong competition before Nationals.  A lot of foreign recruits in guy's volleyball, and a lot of players who go to **shreek** a JUCO college for 2 years, grow into their body and find the weight room, and then get picked up by D1 programs.
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2014, 10:55:28 AM »
Guys or girls?  Girls are all over the map.  Minnesota has some really strong club programs that produce some high level recruits, as does Nebraska, Texas.

Guys nobody can come close to California.  Illinois would be second just based on numbers, but not a ton of those kids pan out (personally don't think a lot of those club programs teach very good fundamentals, just get athletes and say "let's go play some ball").  Wisconsin goes up and down.  Will have 2-4 years where a total of 2 or 3 kids are D1 recruits and then will have a year where 7 (like the high school class of 2012 - considering there are only 36ish D1 programs that is pretty incredible) go to D1 programs (and many of them contribute).  New York, meh.  They have a really big recruit every once in a while.  Virginia is on the rise.  Coastal from Virginia Beach is coming on strong as a club program and traveling all over the place to get some strong competition before Nationals.  A lot of foreign recruits in guy's volleyball, and a lot of players who go to **shreek** a JUCO college for 2 years, grow into their body and find the weight room, and then get picked up by D1 programs.

Thats true. I guess I was thinking more about the guys. When you have programs like Wheaton Warrenville South, Marist, GBN, New Trier, Lincoln Way East etc...I would put Illinois boys volleyball against any state except California. Though Sean Rooney was an Illinois kid  ;)

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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2014, 11:44:16 AM »
Thats true. I guess I was thinking more about the guys. When you have programs like Wheaton Warrenville South, Marist, GBN, New Trier, Lincoln Way East etc...I would put Illinois boys volleyball against any state except California. Though Sean Rooney was an Illinois kid  ;)

Yup, there are always exceptions to the rule.  Murphy Troy from STL, etc.
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2014, 12:37:29 PM »
I take that back, Hawaii would be the second most successful state on the boys side in terms of producing high level volleyball talent.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2014, 12:43:17 PM »
Good luck getting recruits in Iowa...I would say after California Illinois is far and away the best volleyball state. Wisconsin isnt too shabby either so that helps MUs recruiting.


Big Ten is really strong in volleyball, I think he'll do ok in Iowa. 


The whole volleyball thing for me is now of interest to me.  I played a ton of 2 man and 3 man beach volleyball in high school and college, post college out here.  Despite my size, I was a decent player, but never played  man.  My son made his high school volleyball team the other day which honestly shocked me since California boys volleyball is pretty good.  He's a setter, they're playing a 6-2...which all of this stuff is foreign to me.  Looking to get into this much more. 

The days when I was in the athletic dept, our volleyball program was so bad. It's amazing how much better it has become, starting with the Laura Farina and moving on from there. 

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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2014, 12:44:19 PM »
Interesting games tonight:

Stanford vs Long Beach St.
UC Santa Barb. vs UC Irvine
UCLA vs Hawaii
USC vs BYU
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2014, 12:54:21 PM »

Big Ten is really strong in volleyball, I think he'll do ok in Iowa.  


The whole volleyball thing for me is now of interest to me.  I played a ton of 2 man and 3 man beach volleyball in high school and college, post college out here.  Despite my size, I was a decent player, but never played  man.  My son made his high school volleyball team the other day which honestly shocked me since California boys volleyball is pretty good.  He's a setter, they're playing a 6-2...which all of this stuff is foreign to me.  Looking to get into this much more.  

The days when I was in the athletic dept, our volleyball program was so bad. It's amazing how much better it has become, starting with the Laura Farina and moving on from there.  

6-2 basically means that when the setter rotates to the front row the sub him out for a hitter and at that same time a different hitter is rotating to the back row which means they will sub a different setter in for him. Basically it always keeps 3 attackers up front.

Being a setter or a defensive specialist helps you get playing time as well. Everybody wants to hit...Though setting has become more popular in recent years? Wanna confirm that Wade? I was a setter and I know you were too.
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2014, 01:02:07 PM »
6-2 basically means that when the setter rotates to the front row the sub him out for a hitter and at that same time a different hitter is rotating to the back row which means they will sub a different setter in for him. Basically it always keeps 3 attackers up front.

Being a setter or a defensive specialist helps you get playing time as well. Everybody wants to hit...Though setting has become more popular in recent years? Wanna confirm that Wade? I was a setter and I know you were too.

I'm learning.  In beach ball, you have to be able to play defense, hit and set.  Due to my size, I was served a lot, that is until my hops kicked in and they could see that I could hit.   ;)     This will be a fun journey for him and I.  Yesterday he came home with a very swollen thumb.  He's a goalkeeper in high school and was a shortstop in baseball for many years, so he has really good hands, but I expect more and more crooked fingers with the goalkeeping and setting going on.

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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2014, 01:05:44 PM »
I'm learning.  In beach ball, you have to be able to play defense, hit and set.  Due to my size, I was served a lot, that is until my hops kicked in and they could see that I could hit.   ;)     This will be a fun journey for him and I.  Yesterday he came home with a very swollen thumb.  He's a goalkeeper in high school and was a shortstop in baseball for many years, so he has really good hands, but I expect more and more crooked fingers with the goalkeeping and setting going on.

His fingers should be fine for setting. I never had a problem. Just remind him to keep his fingers strong on the block. Thats where people get in trouble. Beach is a completely different animal. I was out in Santa Monica last spring break and I struggled just because I never had to play serve recieve as a setter and I also never hit.

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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2014, 01:10:45 PM »
His fingers should be fine for setting. I never had a problem. Just remind him to keep his fingers strong on the block. Thats where people get in trouble. Beach is a completely different animal. I was out in Santa Monica last spring break and I struggled just because I never had to play serve recieve as a setter and I also never hit.

Yup, beach ball is tough.  If you're not used to the sand, your legs become jello very quickly.  A summer on the beach, however, will make your legs incredibly powerful and you can jump through the gym indoors. 

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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2014, 01:18:19 PM »
Guys or girls?  Girls are all over the map.  Minnesota has some really strong club programs that produce some high level recruits, as does Nebraska, Texas.


Yeah, in girls it's California and Texas and then the rest.  After that there are a few regions that represent pretty well including Ohio Valley, Heart of America, Florida, Rocky Mountain, etc.  Northern Lights is a great club, but I haven't seen too much else out of Minnesota.  Illinois has some great clubs, but the best ones (including Sports Performance) often avoid the USAV events we we don't see as much of them.
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2014, 01:19:20 PM »
Yup, beach ball is tough.  If you're not used to the sand, your legs become jello very quickly.  A summer on the beach, however, will make your legs incredibly powerful and you can jump through the gym indoors. 

It's also great to strengthen ankles to help avoid injuries.
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2014, 01:23:24 PM »
What are the online sites and magazines for following volleyball year round?
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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2014, 01:33:33 PM »
What are the online sites and magazines for following volleyball year round?

Volleytalk for college and international discussion.  Volleyballmag used to have a good high school forum but it has more or less died.

6-2 basically means that when the setter rotates to the front row the sub him out for a hitter and at that same time a different hitter is rotating to the back row which means they will sub a different setter in for him. Basically it always keeps 3 attackers up front.

Being a setter or a defensive specialist helps you get playing time as well. Everybody wants to hit...Though setting has become more popular in recent years? Wanna confirm that Wade? I was a setter and I know you were too.

It has become more popular in large part because there is a lot more scholarship money compared to other positions.  If you are a really good setter you can get a lot of money, which is huge considering men's college programs only have 4.5 scholarships to offer distributed between what is normally a 15 person roster.  There are more taller kids who used to just be hitters because they're tall so of course they're going to hit who now are moving into the setter position because if you're 6'8", athletic, and have the ability to set you're getting some big time money from any program you want.
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2014, 01:37:32 PM »
What are the online sites and magazines for following volleyball year round?

Prepvolleyball (and the associated message board) is good for HS age.  The message board tends to focus more on girls' club as compared to HS (just like college recruiters).  And it tends to focus more on high-level club as compared to regional teams (again, just like college recruiters).
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2014, 01:41:19 PM »
Volleytalk for college and international discussion.  Volleyballmag used to have a good high school forum but it has more or less died.



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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2014, 01:41:36 PM »
Prepvolleyball (and the associated message board) is good for HS age.  The message board tends to focus more on girls' club as compared to HS (just like college recruiters).  And it tends to focus more on high-level club as compared to regional teams (again, just like college recruiters).

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2014, 02:25:41 PM »
Good luck getting recruits in Iowa...I would say after California Illinois is far and away the best volleyball state. Wisconsin isnt too shabby either so that helps MUs recruiting.

Yeah I agree with Chicos on that one.  Bond has historically gone from one down program to the next and turned them around very quickly.  Georgia Tech and Marquette both fit that.  He recruits well and relentlessly and coaches his teams up.  In some ways he is a lot like Buzz, aggressive and doesn't back down in any facet of coaching college athletics.  He has the B1G to sell and he's back at home, so he may actually stick around long enough to see if he can make the jump not only from bottom feeder to competitor in a conference, but from competitor in a conference to Final Four competitor.
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2014, 02:38:02 PM »
Yeah I agree with Chicos on that one.  Bond has historically gone from one down program to the next and turned them around very quickly.  Georgia Tech and Marquette both fit that.  He recruits well and relentlessly and coaches his teams up.  In some ways he is a lot like Buzz, aggressive and doesn't back down in any facet of coaching college athletics.  He has the B1G to sell and he's back at home, so he may actually stick around long enough to see if he can make the jump not only from bottom feeder to competitor in a conference, but from competitor in a conference to Final Four competitor.

Very true.  Although it's going to be much, much harder to compete in his new conference.  I hope he can do it.
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2014, 11:47:46 AM »
Hawaii over UCLA last night in the MPSF.  That is a huge loss for UCLA.  With BYU hosting Pepperdine tonight (the game is on at 7:00 PM PST and all of BYU's matches are streamed on their website here http://byucougars.com/home/m-volleyball should be a great match to watch) either Pepperdine is going to pull into a tie for 2nd with UCLA and they will both be a game back on BYU or BYU will push it's lead to 2 games in the MPSF standings.  This match will either separate BYU from the 2nd tier or it will kind of separate the top 3 from the next tier (Long Beach State would be 2 games back from UCLA and Pepperdine if Pepperdine wins).

Irvine also got a big win over UCSB last night.

Edit: This is Coach Marv Dunphy's (Pepperdine) 800th career match at Pepperdine.  Crazy.  5 NCAA Championships and the most successful international men's volleyball coach the USA has ever seen (only US Men's National team coach to ever win all 4 major international tournaments in his quad term - 1985 World Cup, 1986 World Championships, 1987 Pan Ams, and 1988 Olympics - and was never ranked below 1 in the world rankings).  Given all of this it is absolutely amazing that he is as humble as he is.  I was fortunate enough to be invited along with 3 other people I coach with to go see Pepperdine's campus and talk volleyball with him and his staff on the Friday between the Semifinals and Finals at the NCAA Men's Volleyball Final Four last year.  Obviously the guy knows way more about volleyball than any of us, but the first thing he said was, "So, what'd you think about the semifinals?  What'd you see?" instead of just telling us, "Hey here's what I thought this team could've done better" or "Here's what I thought this team did well."  That's just how him and his staff are.  It's really too bad Pepperdine is so expensive because that drives some very good players away from going there (with the limit on scholarship money that can be given out), because there is no better person (both coaching and just being a good guy) to coach these kids than Marv.  Very cool experience.
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