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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: StillAWarrior on February 28, 2014, 10:03:43 AM
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We've got Superbar threads devoted to a variety of sports topics: NFL, MLB...even fishing. I figured that there is a small but passionate group of us who might like to see a volleyball thread. Since the "It's Iowa" thread had transformed itself into a discussion of the Men's tournament, I figured the time was right. So, wadesworld, melissa and esard...here we go.
For those of you on campus, what is the feeling about Theis?
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Love his resume. Also love the fact that he was able to keep every single person and recruit on the team except Alyssa Goehner and one person you will see very soon. Although that person literally did not play a point all of last year so its pretty understandable. Also, the girls on the vball team say he does their off season workouts with them which is awesome to hear about a coach.
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Love his resume. Also love the fact that he was able to keep every single person and recruit on the team except Alyssa Goehner and one person you will see very soon. Although that person literally did not play a point all of last year so its pretty understandable. Also, the girls on the vball team say he does their off season workouts with them which is awesome to hear about a coach.
I know he was well-liked at Ohio, so that doesn't surprise me. I also thought it was interesting that he brought his top assistant from Ohio. Some thought she could have had the top job there is she wanted it...I have no idea if that is true or not. But she's a good coach too. Shymansky left some big shoes to fill, but Marquette's off to a good start.
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I know he was well-liked at Ohio, so that doesn't surprise me. I also thought it was interesting that he brought his top assistant from Ohio. Some thought she could have had the top job there is she wanted it...I have no idea if that is true or not. But she's a good coach too. Shymansky left some big shoes to fill, but Marquette's off to a good start.
Good luck getting recruits in Iowa...I would say after California Illinois is far and away the best volleyball state. Wisconsin isnt too shabby either so that helps MUs recruiting.
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In the early stages it looks like a good hire. Keep your fingers crossed
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Good luck getting recruits in Iowa...I would say after California Illinois is far and away the best volleyball state. Wisconsin isnt too shabby either so that helps MUs recruiting.
Guys or girls? Girls are all over the map. Minnesota has some really strong club programs that produce some high level recruits, as does Nebraska, Texas.
Guys nobody can come close to California. Illinois would be second just based on numbers, but not a ton of those kids pan out (personally don't think a lot of those club programs teach very good fundamentals, just get athletes and say "let's go play some ball"). Wisconsin goes up and down. Will have 2-4 years where a total of 2 or 3 kids are D1 recruits and then will have a year where 7 (like the high school class of 2012 - considering there are only 36ish D1 programs that is pretty incredible) go to D1 programs (and many of them contribute). New York, meh. They have a really big recruit every once in a while. Virginia is on the rise. Coastal from Virginia Beach is coming on strong as a club program and traveling all over the place to get some strong competition before Nationals. A lot of foreign recruits in guy's volleyball, and a lot of players who go to **shreek** a JUCO college for 2 years, grow into their body and find the weight room, and then get picked up by D1 programs.
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Guys or girls? Girls are all over the map. Minnesota has some really strong club programs that produce some high level recruits, as does Nebraska, Texas.
Guys nobody can come close to California. Illinois would be second just based on numbers, but not a ton of those kids pan out (personally don't think a lot of those club programs teach very good fundamentals, just get athletes and say "let's go play some ball"). Wisconsin goes up and down. Will have 2-4 years where a total of 2 or 3 kids are D1 recruits and then will have a year where 7 (like the high school class of 2012 - considering there are only 36ish D1 programs that is pretty incredible) go to D1 programs (and many of them contribute). New York, meh. They have a really big recruit every once in a while. Virginia is on the rise. Coastal from Virginia Beach is coming on strong as a club program and traveling all over the place to get some strong competition before Nationals. A lot of foreign recruits in guy's volleyball, and a lot of players who go to **shreek** a JUCO college for 2 years, grow into their body and find the weight room, and then get picked up by D1 programs.
Thats true. I guess I was thinking more about the guys. When you have programs like Wheaton Warrenville South, Marist, GBN, New Trier, Lincoln Way East etc...I would put Illinois boys volleyball against any state except California. Though Sean Rooney was an Illinois kid ;)
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Thats true. I guess I was thinking more about the guys. When you have programs like Wheaton Warrenville South, Marist, GBN, New Trier, Lincoln Way East etc...I would put Illinois boys volleyball against any state except California. Though Sean Rooney was an Illinois kid ;)
Yup, there are always exceptions to the rule. Murphy Troy from STL, etc.
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I take that back, Hawaii would be the second most successful state on the boys side in terms of producing high level volleyball talent.
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Good luck getting recruits in Iowa...I would say after California Illinois is far and away the best volleyball state. Wisconsin isnt too shabby either so that helps MUs recruiting.
Big Ten is really strong in volleyball, I think he'll do ok in Iowa.
The whole volleyball thing for me is now of interest to me. I played a ton of 2 man and 3 man beach volleyball in high school and college, post college out here. Despite my size, I was a decent player, but never played man. My son made his high school volleyball team the other day which honestly shocked me since California boys volleyball is pretty good. He's a setter, they're playing a 6-2...which all of this stuff is foreign to me. Looking to get into this much more.
The days when I was in the athletic dept, our volleyball program was so bad. It's amazing how much better it has become, starting with the Laura Farina and moving on from there.
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Interesting games tonight:
Stanford vs Long Beach St.
UC Santa Barb. vs UC Irvine
UCLA vs Hawaii
USC vs BYU
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Big Ten is really strong in volleyball, I think he'll do ok in Iowa.
The whole volleyball thing for me is now of interest to me. I played a ton of 2 man and 3 man beach volleyball in high school and college, post college out here. Despite my size, I was a decent player, but never played man. My son made his high school volleyball team the other day which honestly shocked me since California boys volleyball is pretty good. He's a setter, they're playing a 6-2...which all of this stuff is foreign to me. Looking to get into this much more.
The days when I was in the athletic dept, our volleyball program was so bad. It's amazing how much better it has become, starting with the Laura Farina and moving on from there.
6-2 basically means that when the setter rotates to the front row the sub him out for a hitter and at that same time a different hitter is rotating to the back row which means they will sub a different setter in for him. Basically it always keeps 3 attackers up front.
Being a setter or a defensive specialist helps you get playing time as well. Everybody wants to hit...Though setting has become more popular in recent years? Wanna confirm that Wade? I was a setter and I know you were too.
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6-2 basically means that when the setter rotates to the front row the sub him out for a hitter and at that same time a different hitter is rotating to the back row which means they will sub a different setter in for him. Basically it always keeps 3 attackers up front.
Being a setter or a defensive specialist helps you get playing time as well. Everybody wants to hit...Though setting has become more popular in recent years? Wanna confirm that Wade? I was a setter and I know you were too.
I'm learning. In beach ball, you have to be able to play defense, hit and set. Due to my size, I was served a lot, that is until my hops kicked in and they could see that I could hit. ;) This will be a fun journey for him and I. Yesterday he came home with a very swollen thumb. He's a goalkeeper in high school and was a shortstop in baseball for many years, so he has really good hands, but I expect more and more crooked fingers with the goalkeeping and setting going on.
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I'm learning. In beach ball, you have to be able to play defense, hit and set. Due to my size, I was served a lot, that is until my hops kicked in and they could see that I could hit. ;) This will be a fun journey for him and I. Yesterday he came home with a very swollen thumb. He's a goalkeeper in high school and was a shortstop in baseball for many years, so he has really good hands, but I expect more and more crooked fingers with the goalkeeping and setting going on.
His fingers should be fine for setting. I never had a problem. Just remind him to keep his fingers strong on the block. Thats where people get in trouble. Beach is a completely different animal. I was out in Santa Monica last spring break and I struggled just because I never had to play serve recieve as a setter and I also never hit.
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His fingers should be fine for setting. I never had a problem. Just remind him to keep his fingers strong on the block. Thats where people get in trouble. Beach is a completely different animal. I was out in Santa Monica last spring break and I struggled just because I never had to play serve recieve as a setter and I also never hit.
Yup, beach ball is tough. If you're not used to the sand, your legs become jello very quickly. A summer on the beach, however, will make your legs incredibly powerful and you can jump through the gym indoors.
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Guys or girls? Girls are all over the map. Minnesota has some really strong club programs that produce some high level recruits, as does Nebraska, Texas.
Yeah, in girls it's California and Texas and then the rest. After that there are a few regions that represent pretty well including Ohio Valley, Heart of America, Florida, Rocky Mountain, etc. Northern Lights is a great club, but I haven't seen too much else out of Minnesota. Illinois has some great clubs, but the best ones (including Sports Performance) often avoid the USAV events we we don't see as much of them.
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Yup, beach ball is tough. If you're not used to the sand, your legs become jello very quickly. A summer on the beach, however, will make your legs incredibly powerful and you can jump through the gym indoors.
It's also great to strengthen ankles to help avoid injuries.
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What are the online sites and magazines for following volleyball year round?
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What are the online sites and magazines for following volleyball year round?
Volleytalk for college and international discussion. Volleyballmag used to have a good high school forum but it has more or less died.
6-2 basically means that when the setter rotates to the front row the sub him out for a hitter and at that same time a different hitter is rotating to the back row which means they will sub a different setter in for him. Basically it always keeps 3 attackers up front.
Being a setter or a defensive specialist helps you get playing time as well. Everybody wants to hit...Though setting has become more popular in recent years? Wanna confirm that Wade? I was a setter and I know you were too.
It has become more popular in large part because there is a lot more scholarship money compared to other positions. If you are a really good setter you can get a lot of money, which is huge considering men's college programs only have 4.5 scholarships to offer distributed between what is normally a 15 person roster. There are more taller kids who used to just be hitters because they're tall so of course they're going to hit who now are moving into the setter position because if you're 6'8", athletic, and have the ability to set you're getting some big time money from any program you want.
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What are the online sites and magazines for following volleyball year round?
Prepvolleyball (and the associated message board) is good for HS age. The message board tends to focus more on girls' club as compared to HS (just like college recruiters). And it tends to focus more on high-level club as compared to regional teams (again, just like college recruiters).
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Volleytalk for college and international discussion. Volleyballmag used to have a good high school forum but it has more or less died.
thanks!
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Prepvolleyball (and the associated message board) is good for HS age. The message board tends to focus more on girls' club as compared to HS (just like college recruiters). And it tends to focus more on high-level club as compared to regional teams (again, just like college recruiters).
thanks!
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Good luck getting recruits in Iowa...I would say after California Illinois is far and away the best volleyball state. Wisconsin isnt too shabby either so that helps MUs recruiting.
Yeah I agree with Chicos on that one. Bond has historically gone from one down program to the next and turned them around very quickly. Georgia Tech and Marquette both fit that. He recruits well and relentlessly and coaches his teams up. In some ways he is a lot like Buzz, aggressive and doesn't back down in any facet of coaching college athletics. He has the B1G to sell and he's back at home, so he may actually stick around long enough to see if he can make the jump not only from bottom feeder to competitor in a conference, but from competitor in a conference to Final Four competitor.
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Yeah I agree with Chicos on that one. Bond has historically gone from one down program to the next and turned them around very quickly. Georgia Tech and Marquette both fit that. He recruits well and relentlessly and coaches his teams up. In some ways he is a lot like Buzz, aggressive and doesn't back down in any facet of coaching college athletics. He has the B1G to sell and he's back at home, so he may actually stick around long enough to see if he can make the jump not only from bottom feeder to competitor in a conference, but from competitor in a conference to Final Four competitor.
Very true. Although it's going to be much, much harder to compete in his new conference. I hope he can do it.
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Hawaii over UCLA last night in the MPSF. That is a huge loss for UCLA. With BYU hosting Pepperdine tonight (the game is on at 7:00 PM PST and all of BYU's matches are streamed on their website here http://byucougars.com/home/m-volleyball should be a great match to watch) either Pepperdine is going to pull into a tie for 2nd with UCLA and they will both be a game back on BYU or BYU will push it's lead to 2 games in the MPSF standings. This match will either separate BYU from the 2nd tier or it will kind of separate the top 3 from the next tier (Long Beach State would be 2 games back from UCLA and Pepperdine if Pepperdine wins).
Irvine also got a big win over UCSB last night.
Edit: This is Coach Marv Dunphy's (Pepperdine) 800th career match at Pepperdine. Crazy. 5 NCAA Championships and the most successful international men's volleyball coach the USA has ever seen (only US Men's National team coach to ever win all 4 major international tournaments in his quad term - 1985 World Cup, 1986 World Championships, 1987 Pan Ams, and 1988 Olympics - and was never ranked below 1 in the world rankings). Given all of this it is absolutely amazing that he is as humble as he is. I was fortunate enough to be invited along with 3 other people I coach with to go see Pepperdine's campus and talk volleyball with him and his staff on the Friday between the Semifinals and Finals at the NCAA Men's Volleyball Final Four last year. Obviously the guy knows way more about volleyball than any of us, but the first thing he said was, "So, what'd you think about the semifinals? What'd you see?" instead of just telling us, "Hey here's what I thought this team could've done better" or "Here's what I thought this team did well." That's just how him and his staff are. It's really too bad Pepperdine is so expensive because that drives some very good players away from going there (with the limit on scholarship money that can be given out), because there is no better person (both coaching and just being a good guy) to coach these kids than Marv. Very cool experience.
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I'm an idiot and forgot that BYU has their own site so the link to the match was incorrect. I am also an idiot and thought it was 9 PST, but it was 9 Mountain Time.
So here is the link, and it's 2 sets to 0 BYU. They fill the stands there, and they travel really well for away games. http://www.byutvsports.com/gameday/game/?id=99ec1303-4529-444d-93f0-9fdba1adce0d
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big weekend. BYU swept USC and Pepperdine. Hawaii beat UCLA twice. UCI beat UC-Santa Barbara and Long Beach St beat Standford and Pacific.
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BYU taking command of the conference
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Two join Bond at Iowa.
Michaela Franklin who left MU in to be the Head Coach at Green Bay, leaves GB to join Iowa.
http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/022514aaa.html
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Theis adds to his staff. (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/030314aaa.html) He's put together a pretty good group there. I'd say that there's no question that Marquette remains committed to a strong volleyball program. We'll see how it plays out. I heard that Hinterstocker had actually interviewed for the head job.
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Theis adds to his staff. (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/030314aaa.html) He's put together a pretty good group there. I'd say that there's no question that Marquette remains committed to a strong volleyball program. We'll see how it plays out. I heard that Hinterstocker had actually interviewed for the head job.
Interesting. Marquette had 2 candidates on their list and both are now on staff. I would say that is a win for the athletic department.
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big weekend. BYU swept USC and Pepperdine. Hawaii beat UCLA twice. UCI beat UC-Santa Barbara and Long Beach St beat Standford and Pacific.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mpsf/sports/m-volley/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/mvb-update.pdf
Clusterphuck for the 2nd and 3rd place spots in the MPSF. Assuming Loyola wins the MIVA Conference Tournament and takes that conference's auto-bid, you have to think that the MPSF gets 3 bids (auto-bid for Conference Tournament winner and the 2 at large bids). If any of Pepperdine, UCLA, LBSU, Hawaii, UCLA, or UCSB can separate themselves from the rest of that group and solidify the 2nd spot that would almost guarantee them a spot in the Final Four. If not even UC Irvine and Stanford have a shot at getting back into contention for a spot in the Final Four.
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If the season ended today Stanford would not make the conference tourney
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So Wade volleyball! High school season starts very soon.
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So Wade volleyball! High school season starts very soon.
Haha right. The Super Bar is where I will call home on MUScoop from now on. Embarrassing. High school starts for everyone besides Wisconsin and New York. Those two states have fall high school volleyball seasons. The little bro was a State Champion this year.
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Wasnt aware of that. My dad coaches volleyball in Illinois. They have always had a decent program but have never been able to win a regional. Unfortunate really.
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So Wade volleyball! High school season starts very soon.
My son's team started tonight. He played the whole match, pretty cool....wish I could have seen it as it was an away game. They lost 25-21 and 25-20. Thursday first home game, looking forward to seeing him in action as a freshman.
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My son's team started tonight. He played the whole match, pretty cool....wish I could have seen it as it was an away game. They lost 25-21 and 25-20. Thursday first home game, looking forward to seeing him in action as a freshman.
Which team? Freshman, JV or Varsity?
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Which team? Freshman, JV or Varsity?
He's the starting setter for JV
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My son's HS team is in tryouts right now, and we're looking forward to the season. They finished 2nd in the state (Ohio) last year, and he thinks they look really good in open gyms and at tryouts. We'll see how it goes.
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He's the starting setter for JV
Pretty impressive considering its a California school.
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Pretty impressive considering its a California school.
Able to attend his first game today....our guys won 25-16 and 25-23. He did well, played the whole game. He has some things to work on, but good hands.
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UCLA was swept by UC-Santa Barbara on Wednesday night, on a little slide recently. Some big matches this weekend. #2 BYU against #3 Long Beach St., Stanford at Pepperdine, and Stanford at USC on Sunday.
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The Stanford at USC match is televised on Pac-12 networks
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Stanford swept USC Sunday night to move into the eighth spot in the MPSF. Big win. Long Beach State defeated BYU.
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Great show every monday afternoon on the net
The Net Live
http://www.volleyballmag.com/articles/33898-the-net-live
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Uhhhh, what the hell is with the confederate flag?
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Uhhhh, what the hell is with the confederate flag?
back home for the break. changed to nc flag for those faint of heart
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back home for the break. changed to nc flag for those faint of heart
Thanks, its more palatable for us Yanks.
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Thanks, its more palatable for us Yanks.
Welcome, anytime.
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New AVCA Poll:
1- Loyola Chicago
2- Long Beach St
3- BYU
4- UC Santa Barbara
5- Pepperdine
6- Stanford
7- UCLA
8- UC-Irvine
9- USC
10- Hawaii
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Thanks, its more palatable for us Yanks.
+1
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The west coast teams just keep beating each other up. Makes me want the boys Tourney to expand even more.
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The west coast teams just keep beating each other up. Makes me want the boys Tourney to expand even more.
Yeah they need to change the NCAA tournament format.
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test nm
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Big one tonight Pepperdine at UCLA, televised on Pac-12 network.
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So Pacific is going the way of Loyola Marymount and dropping men's volleyball?
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Big one tonight Pepperdine at UCLA, televised on Pac-12 network.
Good call. Both teams coming off losses.
So Pacific is going the way of Loyola Marymount and dropping men's volleyball?
Accurate.
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Pepp over UCLA in 4 at UCLA. Puts Pepp in a 3rd place tie with Santa Barbara in the MPSF and 1 game behind Long Beach State for 2nd, 2 games behind BYU for first. Some really poor volleyball at times on both sides of the net. Way too many errors and way too many wasted opportunities by both sides. Don't see either doing much if they make the Final Four if they continue to play that way. A few days ago I didn't think I could see BYU winning the NCAA Championship because they are too dependent upon Taylor Sander and relying on one guy typically doesn't win you a National Championship, but they are clearly playing at a level above UCLA and Pepp. Maybe those programs turn it around.
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Pepp over UCLA in 4 at UCLA. Puts Pepp in a 3rd place tie with Santa Barbara in the MPSF and 1 game behind Long Beach State for 2nd, 2 games behind BYU for first. Some really poor volleyball at times on both sides of the net. Way too many errors and way too many wasted opportunities by both sides. Don't see either doing much if they make the Final Four if they continue to play that way. A few days ago I didn't think I could see BYU winning the NCAA Championship because they are too dependent upon Taylor Sander and relying on one guy typically doesn't win you a National Championship, but they are clearly playing at a level above UCLA and Pepp. Maybe those programs turn it around.
And Loyola beat BYU. A lot of parody around the NCAA vball scene.
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And Loyola beat BYU. A lot of parody around the NCAA vball scene.
I don't think the bolded word means what you think it does.
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US-Santa Barbara beat USC in 5 last night. They are up to third place in the conference while USC is now out of the top eight.
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Some big games this weekend:
Friday:
UC Irvine @ BYU
Hawai'i @ Stanford
Pepperdine @ UC Santa Barbara
Saturday:
USC @ UCLA
Hawai'i @ Stanford
Great timing with MU's basketball season finished.
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USC beat ucla in four last night. Ucla really beat up with injuries. Two weeks ago i thought they could go all the way. Now they aren't looking so good.
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I have no clue whose coming out of the west but I am really liking Loyolas chances more and more. Especially since they will be playing at home.
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Latest Poll:
1 Loyola Chicago
2 Long Beach State
3 BYU
4 Pepperdine
5 UC Santa Barbara
6 Stanford
7 Southern California
8 UC Irvine
9 UCLA
10 Lewis
11 Hawaii
12 Ball State
13 IPFW
14 Penn State
15 Ohio State
Lewis at Loyola tonight. Long Beach State at Pepperdine on Thursday night.
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Long Beach St @ Pepperdine tonight and Long Beach St @ USC on Saturday night, neither game televised though
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Volleyball is a great sport
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yup, it sure is
(http://www.gostanford.com/pics33/800/PR/PRIEWJXOLBBBXDZ.20140108185613.jpg)
my favorite setter :) James Shaw, Stanford
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yup, it sure is
(http://www.gostanford.com/pics33/800/PR/PRIEWJXOLBBBXDZ.20140108185613.jpg)
my favorite setter :) James Shaw, Stanford
Kid's a baby.
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So's Melissasmooth. Keefe is a dirty old man. Appropriate pictures for both.
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Kid's a baby.
and already one of the best in the conference
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and already one of the best in the conference
Yup, but could be a lot better if he'd grow a pair. Has better physical tools than a guy like Micah Christensen, but Micah doesn't worry about the "Wow!" plays and instead sets a consistent ball. Thus, he is the starting setter for the US Men's National Team while Shaw can cry to his HOF dad.
http://www.scvavolleyball.org/documents/JBC2011FinalStandings.pdf
See: 17s results. We kicked the crap out of his Mountain View (MVVC) team in the Finals. They'd take a timeout, the team would huddle up on the sideline, and he'd go sit on the bench with his towel and sulk with his head in his towel. Whines about every call (or non call). Could be a much better player if he'd just worry about what he can control and be solid.
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Yup, but could be a lot better if he'd grow a pair. Has better physical tools than a guy like Micah Christensen, but Micah doesn't worry about the "Wow!" plays and instead sets a consistent ball. Thus, he is the starting setter for the US Men's National Team while Shaw can cry to his HOF dad.
http://www.scvavolleyball.org/documents/JBC2011FinalStandings.pdf
See: 17s results. We kicked the crap out of his Mountain View (MVVC) team in the Finals. They'd take a timeout, the team would huddle up on the sideline, and he'd go sit on the bench with his towel and sulk with his head in his towel. Whines about every call (or non call). Could be a much better player if he'd just worry about what he can control and be solid.
Those players are the worst. For any sport.
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Those players are the worst. For any sport.
but he's cute, i like him
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Yup, but could be a lot better if he'd grow a pair. Has better physical tools than a guy like Micah Christensen, but Micah doesn't worry about the "Wow!" plays and instead sets a consistent ball. Thus, he is the starting setter for the US Men's National Team while Shaw can cry to his HOF dad.
http://www.scvavolleyball.org/documents/JBC2011FinalStandings.pdf
See: 17s results. We kicked the crap out of his Mountain View (MVVC) team in the Finals. They'd take a timeout, the team would huddle up on the sideline, and he'd go sit on the bench with his towel and sulk with his head in his towel. Whines about every call (or non call). Could be a much better player if he'd just worry about what he can control and be solid.
Never said he was a better player than Christensen. Obviously Christensen is starting on the National team. Was posting photo in the context of Keefe's photos. Sorry to get you all riled up.
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Long Beach St @ Pepperdine tonight and Long Beach St @ USC on Saturday night, neither game televised though
I think for the LB ST Pepperdine game a webcast is available on the Pepperdine site. Not sure about the USC game
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Pepperdine swept Long Beach State last night to move into second place in the conference. Big win.
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If anyone is interested in the results from the 15 Open division in the Mideast Qualifier this weekend, just hit me up.
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Just keep updatin' Stanford so Smoothie is happy.
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Just keep updatin' Stanford so Smoothie is happy.
thanks :)
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Big week in the MPSF last week with a lot of huge upsets that changed the standings around by quite a bit.
- UCLA loses to CSUN. YIKES! The Bruins are STRUGGLING and may miss the MPSF Tourney.
- LBSU is COLD as well, losing 3 in a row to drop down to a tie for 6-8 and only 1 game up on 9th place USC. Could also miss the MPSF Tourney, but I believe they have the tiebreakers on a lot of teams. They were in 2nd alone not long ago.
- Hawaii wins both their matches over BYU this weekend to move into a tie for 6-8.
- Stanford has been on a ROLL, winning 9 in a row to move up from I believe 9th place to 3rd.
- Irvine has gone on a little run here to move into a tie for 4-5. They were on the outside looking in not long ago.
So what's left?
- UCLA plays at Cal Bap and vs. BYU. Should go 1-1.
- Hawaii has 2 at Pepp. When Hawaii is hot they are HOT. Could go 2-0, could go 1-1, or could go 0-2. Pepp is on a roll, having won 8 straight right now.
- LBSU has CSUN twice. Should go 2-0.
- USC is done. So they need help. They will be big Pepperdine and CSUN fans this week. Really have to hope for Pepp to help them out.
As far as the MPSF Playoffs go, if everything were to stay as they are today, Hawaii would play a 3rd match in a row at Pepperdine in the first round, UCLA would play at BYU the first round (I would've predicted that this match would've happened in the Finals, not Quarterfinals, at the start of the year), Stanford would host LBSU, and UCSB would host Irvine in the first round. Crazy season in the MPSF. Most of those matches could go either way.
As far as the future NCAA bids go, you'd have to think if Pepp can win their last 2 matches and finish in 2nd alone and then win their Quarterfinal match of the MPSF Tourney they would guarantee themselves 1 of the 2 at large bids. BYU is getting a bid whether it's the Tourney champion or the at large bid. If either Stanford or Irvine (especially since they are 2 time defending NCAA Champions) can get hot and make it to the Finals of the MPSF Tourney they put themselves in a nice place for the other at large bid.
Should be an interesting 2 weeks of volleyball out West.
Meanwhile, in the Midwest, Loyola continues to have 0 competition, with 21 straight match wins.
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My financial adviser played for Pepperdine (won a national title in '92 and was an All American). He's pretty high on the Waves chances right now.
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My financial adviser played for Pepperdine (won a national title in '92 and was an All American). He's pretty high on the Waves chances right now.
That's awesome. He played for an incredible coach. They've definitely got a shot, but at the same time any of the top 9 teams can beat anybody out in the MPSF. Will be fun to see how it plays out. I'm rooting for the Waves to do well.
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Slightly related, Marquette's women's club team won the national championship for the second year in a row. I know it's not quite the same level as the D1 players, but still significant.
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Right now I think Stanford and Pepperdine are the two best teams but the MPSF playoffs will be tough. Loyola has the advantage of playing in an easy conference and then playing at home in the final four. They will be hard to beat, just difficult to tell how good they actually are.
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Slightly related, Marquette's women's club team won the national championship for the second year in a row. I know it's not quite the same level as the D1 players, but still significant.
Yup, which honestly kinda surprises me. Ive played with the girls club team before because I have a couple of friends on it and they werent anything spectacular.. But back2back national chapionships is damn impressive.
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Had Hawaii won and UCLA lost last night UCLA would have MISSED the MPSF Playoffs. Instead they won and moved all the way up to FIFTH. Some interesting first round matchups in the MPSF.
# 8 Seed USC at # 1 Seed BYU
# 5 Seed UCLA at # 4 Seed UCSB
# 6 Seed UC Irvine at # 3 Seed Stanford
# 7 Seed Long Beach State at # 2 Seed Pepperdine.
BYU is COLD, losing 4 in a row going in. Haven't seen any of the matches, but having clinched 1st early they may have been sitting some guys. USC is so young they might be dumb enough to not feel any pressure going to a packed BYU gym.
Long Beach was in 2nd alone for a while and fell to 7th. They're still dangerous but Pepp is hot right now.
Irvine lost Friday but other than that has been hot, but Stanford is also hot. Irvine has a ton of experience being 2x defending National Champions.
UCLA vs. UCSB, not sure who wins that. Not impressed with either team. I feel like whoever wins the BYU vs. USC match wins the semifinals against this winner.
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Had Hawaii won and UCLA lost last night UCLA would have MISSED the MPSF Playoffs. Instead they won and moved all the way up to FIFTH. Some interesting first round matchups in the MPSF.
# 8 Seed USC at # 1 Seed BYU
# 5 Seed UCLA at # 4 Seed UCSB
# 6 Seed UC Irvine at # 3 Seed Stanford
# 7 Seed Long Beach State at # 2 Seed Pepperdine.
BYU is COLD, losing 4 in a row going in. Haven't seen any of the matches, but having clinched 1st early they may have been sitting some guys. USC is so young they might be dumb enough to not feel any pressure going to a packed BYU gym.
Long Beach was in 2nd alone for a while and fell to 7th. They're still dangerous but Pepp is hot right now.
Irvine lost Friday but other than that has been hot, but Stanford is also hot. Irvine has a ton of experience being 2x defending National Champions.
UCLA vs. UCSB, not sure who wins that. Not impressed with either team. I feel like whoever wins the BYU vs. USC match wins the semifinals against this winner.
I think Stanford and Pepperdine are the two best teams right now. But all eight are so close together, should be fun to watch
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Quarterfinals all on Saturday, April 19; 7:00 PM Local Time
# 8 Seed USC at # 1 Seed BYU
# 5 Seed UCLA at # 4 Seed UCSB
# 6 Seed UC Irvine at # 3 Seed Stanford
# 7 Seed Long Beach State at # 2 Seed Pepperdine.
The only match that I can find televised is the USC-BYU which will be on the BYU network. So we get to see the obnoxious BYU fans and their notorious home cooking officiating. Though I understand that for the playoffs, the officials are pulled from a different pool.
Ill be rooting for USC even though I'm a UCLA fan when it comes to USC-UCLA.
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The Off the Block Volleyball blog has a MPSF and MIVA playoff bracket pool going on for anyone interested. The blog is a great place for volleyball info in general also.
http://www.offtheblockblog.com/2014/04/miva-mpsf-tournament-brackets-can-now-be-submitted-for-50-perfect-bracket-challenge/
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Just saw the end of the Pepperdine vs. Hawaii match. Man were there two brutal calls. I thought the ball crossed the plane on the overpass before the RS from Hawaii his it and that back set by the Middle for Pepperdine was a lift, or double contact or something.
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Just saw the end of the Pepperdine vs. Hawaii match. Man were there two brutal calls. I thought the ball crossed the plane on the overpass before the RS from Hawaii his it and that back set by the Middle for Pepperdine was a lift, or double contact or something.
where did you see it?
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where did you see it?
They had some videos posted on Off The Block with the game summary.
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They had some videos posted on Off The Block with the game summary.
thanks for the heads-up I missed that one
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Just saw the end of the Pepperdine vs. Hawaii match. Man were there two brutal calls. I thought the ball crossed the plane on the overpass before the RS from Hawaii his it and that back set by the Middle for Pepperdine was a lift, or double contact or something.
Tough to tell on the overpass from that angle, would love to see slow motion on that. The back set defintely looked off. Tough two points for Hawaii to end their season.
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I wonder what the Pac-12 Network's contract is with the MPSF as far as covering the Pac-12 teams that are in the MPSF. I've seen them televise volleyball matches involving just Pac-12 teams and some Pac-12 vs MPSF non-Pac 12 teams. Weird that they would televise none of the quarterfinal matches. Instead they give us softball.
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http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/mpsf/sports/m-volley/auto_pdf/2013-14/misc_non_event/mvb-allmpsf.pdf
2 West Allis Lightning alums on All MPSF teams. Conrad Kaminski has come a long, long ways. His 16s year he was on North Shore 16-2s (their 1s team didn't even win a bid to Junior Nationals, they had to get an At Large bid), the next year he was our 3rd middle on Lightning 17s, and then his 18s year he won the starting middle spot on the Lightning 18s team that won the National Championship. Now he's a sophomore and 2nd Team All MPSF, which might as well be 2nd Team All American. Good for him. Kid's a freaking genius too.
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MPSF Quarterfinals:
- BYU absolutely SMOKES USC in 3. Should seal an NCAA Tournament bid for them.
- Pepp is down 21-24 in set 2 and is down 0-1 in sets, and comes back to win set 2 26-24 with their MB serving/libero out. Huge momentum swing, Pepp wins sets 3 and 4 to win in 4. Should seal an NCAA Tournament bid for them.
- Stanford wins in 5 over UCI. UCI was up 13-11 in set 5, loses 15-13. Ends UCI's run of 2 straight NCAA Championships.
- UCSB beats UCLA in 5. UCLA was up 2 sets to 1 and 14-8 in the 4th set and then lost 25-20. In set 5 UCLA was up 8-7 and then gave up a 5 point run, losing 15-12 in the end.
Semifinals match up the 2 hottest teams in the MPSF with Stanford and Pepp having won 21 out of their last 22 matches combined. Something's gotta give. Match will be at BYU, so neither team will have any sort of home court advantage. BYU should walk through UCSB to the Finals. If that happens and Loyola wins the MIVA Tourney like they should, Stanford, BYU, and Pepp should get NCAA Tourney bids along with Erksine, Loyola, and whoever comes out of the EIVA (most likely Penn State, maybe Harvard).
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WOW! HUGE mistake by the NCAA in giving an at large bid to Lewis. You could've given it to any of 7 other MPSF teams over them. But they instead gave it to the #11 team in Lewis over the #3 or #s 5-10. They just basically said taking 2nd in the MIVA (Lewis) is worth more than taking 2nd in the MPSF (Pepperdine). That is brutally awful. For a sport looking to grow, this is a worst case scenario. Now the semifinals will be repeats of the MPSF and MIVA Tournament Finals. At least Loyola gets to sleep walk into the Finals. Watching both matches next to each other yesterday, I would've definitely put Loyola a distant 3rd to both MPSF Finalists, and Pepp was right up there with those 2. Clearly the NCAA doesn't want another all MPSF Finals, and 3 semifinalists from 1 conference. Also, they have to foot the bill for all teams. Makes it nice and cheap to send a team an hour away from the playing site than it does sending someone from SoCal.
Brutal.
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Pepperdine swept Long Beach State last night to move into second place in the conference. Big win.
My son will be attending Dunphy (Pepperdine's coach) Setters Camp this Summer. Should be fun.
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Nice, I may be working Marv's camp if I can work out the time off.
Can't find a better guy to learn from than Marv.
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WOW! HUGE mistake by the NCAA in giving an at large bid to Lewis. You could've given it to any of 7 other MPSF teams over them. But they instead gave it to the #11 team in Lewis over the #3 or #s 5-10. They just basically said taking 2nd in the MIVA (Lewis) is worth more than taking 2nd in the MPSF (Pepperdine). That is brutally awful. For a sport looking to grow, this is a worst case scenario. Now the semifinals will be repeats of the MPSF and MIVA Tournament Finals. At least Loyola gets to sleep walk into the Finals. Watching both matches next to each other yesterday, I would've definitely put Loyola a distant 3rd to both MPSF Finalists, and Pepp was right up there with those 2. Clearly the NCAA doesn't want another all MPSF Finals, and 3 semifinalists from 1 conference. Also, they have to foot the bill for all teams. Makes it nice and cheap to send a team an hour away from the playing site than it does sending someone from SoCal.
Brutal.
The NCAA tourney setup is a farce. The MPSF is so much stronger than the other conferences. After watching the Loyola-Lewis and BYU-Stanford matches last night, if Loyola had to go through the rigors of a complete season in the MPSF I seriously doubt they would finish in the top four in the conference. I know they have the quality to beat top MPSF teams on any given night, but over the course of the season its another story. Lewis wouldn't make the top eight. Penn State wouldn't make the top eight and Erskine would be a bottom feeder. I understand the NCAA trying to broaden the sport nationally but the tournament field is a joke. I hate BYU but I'll rooting for them to win it all if Stanford loses. I hope Loyola gets the crap beat out of them.
Saying that, I still think Loyola could win the two matches because of the home court advantage and take the NCAA title.
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The NCAA tourney setup is a farce. The MPSF is so much stronger than the other conferences. After watching the Loyola-Lewis and BYU-Stanford matches last night, if Loyola had to go through the rigors of a complete season in the MPSF I seriously doubt they would finish in the top four in the conference. I know they have the quality to beat top MPSF teams on any given night, but over the course of the season its another story. Lewis wouldn't make the top eight. Penn State wouldn't make the top eight and Erskine would be a bottom feeder. I understand the NCAA trying to broaden the sport nationally but the tournament field is a joke. I hate BYU but I'll rooting for them to win it all if Stanford loses. I hope Loyola gets the crap beat out of them.
Saying that, I still think Loyola could win the two matches because of the home court advantage and take the NCAA title.
It would be interesting to see. Loyola would definitely be a stronger team right now if they did face top competition every night like MPSF teams do, so they would be a more consistent team because they would be forced to be. But I agree, I think they would've been right in the middle of the cluster of competitive teams in the MPSF and most likely on the outside looking in. I suppose it doesn't really matter at this point. Not something in their control and they did what they had to do to get the #1 seed, beat some of the MPSF teams that came out to play them and dominate some bad competition.
If I were an MPSF coach and saw that setup I would be absolutely beside myself. Not only is Lewis getting an at large bid over Pepperdine the equivalent of giving Marquette an at large bid over Wisconsin this season (and that truly is not even an exaggeration, it is that bad of a decision), but they also made a cakewalk of a path for Loyola. Penn State vs. Lewis to play them while Stanford vs. BYU is going to be the other semifinal? Come on. That is brutal.
What I would propose if I were an MPSF coach (regardless of what team, just knowing that in future years it could affect the team I coach like it did Pepperdine this year), I would propose that each conference votes on one coach to represent the conference and they have a vote to at the very least determine which 2 teams get at large bids, if not also to seed the Tournament. And then I would have a neutral NCAA representative in the event that there were split decisions. That way at least people who watch the game and understand the game are the main determinants of who makes it and not just some people who see numbers on a paper. Of course Lewis is going to have a better record than a good MPSF team, the good MPSF team plays the absolute best competition every single night while Lewis plays Loyola and then...nobody good at all. Just an embarrassment.
The NCAA can play the "growing the game," "equal representation" bullcrap all they want. If they truly want to grow the game then they should be putting the best teams in the NCAA Tournament and showing everyone how exciting of a game volleyball can be. What the NCAA is truly about is money and that is it. They have to foot the bill to send these teams to Chicago. Cheaper to give Lewis some gas money and say, "Enjoy your 90 minute drive" than to get Pepperdine to Chicago. It also brings more fans for ticket sales. Not as many people traveling from Malibu to watch Pepperdine as there will be Lewis fans going to Chicago. Money, money, money. Who care if you're taking an earned opportunity away from student-athletes to win a National Championship, right?
I thought the addition of an extra at large bid, as well as the auto bid for the Coastal Carolinas, would go a LONG way in promoting the game as an exciting, competitive game and grow some excitement. I was very excited for the Thursday semifinal matchups and thought the best part about it all was that instead of having at least 1 below average team in the semifinals, and oftentimes 2 (East Coast and MIVA teams in typical years being below the level of the 2 MPSF teams that make it), there would now be at most 1 below par team and make at least 1 of the semifinals very, very competitive, and in a good year like this where Loyola can compete with some of the best teams in the MPSF, it would've made a great two matches. Now I am not even planning on going down Thursday at all, even though that BYU vs. Stanford match should be really good, but we just saw that match yesterday (literally). And now I probably won't go to the Finals because whoever wins that match, in my opinion, should win the Finals fairly easily. Very anticlimactic. Pepperdine could've won it all, while Lewis has literally 0 chance. Awful, awful for the game of volleyball. Completely messed up what should've been a very good thing.
As far as who I want to win, the only reason I wouldn't want Loyola is because that justifies the NCAA's decision to put Lewis in over Pepperdine. Would be very cool for the guys I coached and for Midwest volleyball. Stanford wouldn't be bad because they have a classy program. BYU I wouldn't mind because Chris McGown, their coach, is a really, really good guy. He was one of the coaches who has put on our coaching clinic 3 different years. The other 3 teams aren't even worth mentioning, because it just won't happen.
Speaking of Chris being a good guy and the decision being awful over all, I posted this on Facebook..."Well, the NCAA could not have gotten it any more wrong. But that should come as a surprise to nobody." The first person who liked it was Chris McGown. You know if someone who is coaching in the NCAA Tournament is publicly liking that status there is something wrong, especially when it ultimately benefits his program, as it takes out one potential threat to win it all.
Definitely unfortunate for everyone in volleyball that isn't affiliated with the Lewis program.
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It would be interesting to see. Loyola would definitely be a stronger team right now if they did face top competition every night like MPSF teams do, so they would be a more consistent team because they would be forced to be. But I agree, I think they would've been right in the middle of the cluster of competitive teams in the MPSF and most likely on the outside looking in. I suppose it doesn't really matter at this point. Not something in their control and they did what they had to do to get the #1 seed, beat some of the MPSF teams that came out to play them and dominate some bad competition.
If I were an MPSF coach and saw that setup I would be absolutely beside myself. Not only is Lewis getting an at large bid over Pepperdine the equivalent of giving Marquette an at large bid over Wisconsin this season (and that truly is not even an exaggeration, it is that bad of a decision), but they also made a cakewalk of a path for Loyola. Penn State vs. Lewis to play them while Stanford vs. BYU is going to be the other semifinal? Come on. That is brutal.
What I would propose if I were an MPSF coach (regardless of what team, just knowing that in future years it could affect the team I coach like it did Pepperdine this year), I would propose that each conference votes on one coach to represent the conference and they have a vote to at the very least determine which 2 teams get at large bids, if not also to seed the Tournament. And then I would have a neutral NCAA representative in the event that there were split decisions. That way at least people who watch the game and understand the game are the main determinants of who makes it and not just some people who see numbers on a paper. Of course Lewis is going to have a better record than a good MPSF team, the good MPSF team plays the absolute best competition every single night while Lewis plays Loyola and then...nobody good at all. Just an embarrassment.
The NCAA can play the "growing the game," "equal representation" bullcrap all they want. If they truly want to grow the game then they should be putting the best teams in the NCAA Tournament and showing everyone how exciting of a game volleyball can be. I thought the addition of an extra at large bid, as well as the auto bid for the Coastal Carolinas, would go a LONG way in promoting the game as an exciting, competitive game and grow some excitement. I was very excited for the Thursday semifinal matchups and thought the best part about it all was that instead of having at least 1 below average team in the semifinals, and oftentimes 2 (East Coast and MIVA teams in typical years being below the level of the 2 MPSF teams that make it), there would now be at most 1 below par team and make at least 1 of the semifinals very, very competitive, and in a good year like this where Loyola can compete with some of the best teams in the MPSF, it would've made a great two matches. Now I am not even planning on going down Thursday at all, even though that BYU vs. Stanford match should be really good, but we just saw that match yesterday (literally). And now I probably won't go to the Finals because whoever wins that match, in my opinion, should win the Finals fairly easily. Very anticlimactic. Pepperdine could've won it all, while Lewis has literally 0 chance. Awful, awful for the game of volleyball. Completely messed up what should've been a very good thing.
As far as who I want to win, the only reason I wouldn't want Loyola is because that justifies the NCAA's decision to put Lewis in over Pepperdine. Would be very cool for the guys I coached and for Midwest volleyball. Stanford wouldn't be bad because they have a classy program. BYU I wouldn't mind because Chris McGown, their coach, is a really, really good guy. He was one of the coaches who has put on our coaching clinic 3 different years. The other 3 teams aren't even worth mentioning, because it just won't happen.
Speaking of Chris being a good guy and the decision being awful over all, I posted this on Facebook..."Well, the NCAA could not have gotten it any more wrong. But that should come as a surprise to nobody." The first person who liked it was Chris McGown. You know if someone who is coaching in the NCAA Tournament is publicly liking that status there is something wrong, especially when it ultimately benefits his program, as it takes out one potential threat to win it all.
Definitely unfortunate for everyone in volleyball that isn't affiliated with the Lewis program.
Very well stated. Very frustrating for the sport.
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And my man, James Shaw, got injured last night. Hopefully nothing serious. He did return later in the match. Would be nice to see Stanford get payback against BYU on a neutral court
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The NCAA tourney setup is a farce. The MPSF is so much stronger than the other conferences. After watching the Loyola-Lewis and BYU-Stanford matches last night, if Loyola had to go through the rigors of a complete season in the MPSF I seriously doubt they would finish in the top four in the conference. I know they have the quality to beat top MPSF teams on any given night, but over the course of the season its another story. Lewis wouldn't make the top eight. Penn State wouldn't make the top eight and Erskine would be a bottom feeder. I understand the NCAA trying to broaden the sport nationally but the tournament field is a joke. I hate BYU but I'll rooting for them to win it all if Stanford loses. I hope Loyola gets the crap beat out of them.
Saying that, I still think Loyola could win the two matches because of the home court advantage and take the NCAA title.
Yup, same issue was going on for college baseball for years. That's how Maine and schools like that would make the college world series because they were one of the few legit programs in the NE, even though a bunch of west coast schools would destroy them. That's how we feel out here for the Little League World Series. My son was on an Orange County team and did well, made it to sectionals, but ultimately the Orange County team that won ended up winning the whole thing by beating Japan. I would wager there were 3 to 5 Orange County teams alone that could have beaten the Eastern US champions and probably the northern champions, let alone other teams from throughout the state of California. Just how it is...sucks, but that's how it is setup.
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And my man, James Shaw, got injured last night. Hopefully nothing serious. He did return later in the match. Would be nice to see Stanford get payback against BYU on a neutral court
Maybe you could rub it and make it all better, hey?
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And my man, James Shaw, got injured last night. Hopefully nothing serious. He did return later in the match. Would be nice to see Stanford get payback against BYU on a neutral court
Just a floor burn and scrape. He's fine.
BYU is very beatable away from home. They were undefeated at home this year but lost like 6 out of 7 to end the regular season or something, all on the road. If I was putting money on it, it would be on BYU. But Stanford and Loyola have a chance.
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Just a floor burn and scrape. He's fine.
BYU is very beatable away from home. They were undefeated at home this year but lost like 6 out of 7 to end the regular season or something, all on the road. If I was putting money on it, it would be on BYU. But Stanford and Loyola have a chance.
good :) glad it wasnt serious
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Stanford swept Erskine 25-14, 25-16, 25-16 in the NCAA tourney opener this evening at Loyola
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haha, Penn State beat Lewis 27-25, 19-25, 25-23, 25-19 in the second play-in game last night. So the semi-finals are Stanford-BYU and Penn State-Loyola.
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haha, Penn State beat Lewis 27-25, 19-25, 25-23, 25-19 in the second play-in game last night. So the semi-finals are Stanford-BYU and Penn State-Loyola.
Such an odd final 4. Not the 2 teams from out west that I would have predicted in the beginning of the year.
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haha, Penn State beat Lewis 27-25, 19-25, 25-23, 25-19 in the second play-in game last night. So the semi-finals are Stanford-BYU and Penn State-Loyola.
Yup. Thanks for the selection, NCAA.
Was at the matches last night. If it wasn't at Loyola, I would be picking Penn State over Loyola. They actually have a really solid lineup and run a nice little system. Complete stud of an L1 (Sander is the only player that I have been more impressed with this year), L2 who passes nails and can terminate when he's 1-on-1, setter who runs a quick offense and puts the ball in a consistent spot, a giant middle, and a really solid libero. Their 3 pin hitters are all built from the same mold type players, somewhat tall and lanky, jump well and are very quick off of the floor and with their armswings. Explosive. Both middles are good enough offensively to keep the other team's middle honest. Big fan of the setter and libero. They were able to dig some balls and turn defense into offense more than either team did in the MIVA Finals. They serve pretty tough as well. I was far more impressed with them than I thought I would be. As far as their offensive system I wish they would use the BIC a bit more when their L1 is back row. They set it a few times and he was able to terminate pretty consistently with it, and there were points in the match when he was in the back row that they were struggling to terminate balls while not setting him. They could definitely incorporate that in their offense more often. They will give Loyola a scare, that is for sure.
Not much to take away from the Erskine vs. Stanford match. Erskine was outmatched plain and simple. The good thing now is that their conference gets an autobid, so maybe some guys who aren't good enough to contribute on high level MPSF teams look to play in the Coastal Carolinas vs. a D3 school or riding pine in the MPSF. I guess only time will tell on that one.
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Yup. Thanks for the selection, NCAA.
Was at the matches last night. If it wasn't at Loyola, I would be picking Penn State over Loyola. They actually have a really solid lineup and run a nice little system. Complete stud of an L1 (Sander is the only player that I have been more impressed with this year), L2 who passes nails and can terminate when he's 1-on-1, setter who runs a quick offense and puts the ball in a consistent spot, a giant middle, and a really solid libero. Their 3 pin hitters are all built from the same mold type players, somewhat tall and lanky, jump well and are very quick off of the floor and with their armswings. Explosive. Both middles are good enough offensively to keep the other team's middle honest. Big fan of the setter and libero. They were able to dig some balls and turn defense into offense more than either team did in the MIVA Finals. They serve pretty tough as well. I was far more impressed with them than I thought I would be. As far as their offensive system I wish they would use the BIC a bit more when their L1 is back row. They set it a few times and he was able to terminate pretty consistently with it, and there were points in the match when he was in the back row that they were struggling to terminate balls while not setting him. They could definitely incorporate that in their offense more often. They will give Loyola a scare, that is for sure.
Not much to take away from the Erskine vs. Stanford match. Erskine was outmatched plain and simple. The good thing now is that their conference gets an autobid, so maybe some guys who aren't good enough to contribute on high level MPSF teams look to play in the Coastal Carolinas vs. a D3 school or riding pine in the MPSF. I guess only time will tell on that one.
how was the attendance for the two matches?
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how was the attendance for the two matches?
Awful. Hah. Definitely under 1,000. So having Lewis instead of Pepp really didn't even help in that sense either.
Tomorrow I would assume they will sell out. Loyola playing at home plus BYU travels REALLY well.
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Riding my bike to the game tonight. I knew living a mile away from Loyolas campus would be useful eventually :P Go Ramblers.
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Riding my bike to the game tonight. I knew living a mile away from Loyolas campus would be useful eventually :P Go Ramblers.
Well it sure will be quicker than driving. Hate how crowded Chicago and its surrounding areas are. The worst part isn't even the free (toll) ways, it's after you get off of them that takes forever.
At least one player I coached in club will be winning a National Championship, so it's a win-win for me (and lose-lose). 4th straight year that a player from our club will have won an NCAA Championship.
The one who plays on Stanford was able to get me tickets, so I will be the guy wearing grey in the sea of cardinal in their section. Just hoping for a well played match.
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Well it sure will be quicker than driving. Hate how crowded Chicago and its surrounding areas are. The worst part isn't even the free (toll) ways, it's after you get off of them that takes forever.
At least one player I coached in club will be winning a National Championship, so it's a win-win for me (and lose-lose). 4th straight year that a player from our club will have won an NCAA Championship.
The one who plays on Stanford was able to get me tickets, so I will be the guy wearing grey in the sea of cardinal in their section. Just hoping for a well played match.
You mean you dont want to see 5 missed serves in a row? Penn St. game was brutal. Hoping it was just nerves.
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You mean you dont want to see 5 missed serves in a row? Penn St. game was brutal. Hoping it was just nerves.
Haha only got to see the last 1 1/2 sets of that match, and watched PSU's stud make 3 straight hitting errors to end the match. Brutal.
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Loyola is playing incredibly well right now. Its incredible right now.
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Loyola is playing incredibly well right now. Its incredible right now.
Nice to play for the title on your home court. Ho hum. Real title game was Stanford byu the other night
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Nice to play for the title on your home court. Ho hum. Real title game was Stanford byu the other night
Well Loyola did beat BYU earlier in the year. Still really early in the match but its not Loyolas fault. They won the games they were scheduled.
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Well Loyola did beat BYU earlier in the year. Still really early in the match but its not Loyolas fault. They won the games they were scheduled.
Yeah I was a little harsh on Loyola. I just have problems with a team playing on their home court for the title. But ncaa volleyball has limited venue choices because they do need to make money. Also several of the Loyola players look like pricks.
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Yeah I was a little harsh on Loyola. I just have problems with a team playing on their home court for the title. But ncaa volleyball has limited venue choices because they do need to make money. Also several of the Loyola players look like pricks.
Hate to break it to you but a lot of high level volleyball players are pricks. The MU mens club team are pretty douchey.
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Yeah I was a little harsh on Loyola. I just have problems with a team playing on their home court for the title. But ncaa volleyball has limited venue choices because they do need to make money. Also several of the Loyola players look like pricks.
They said that two years ago Loyola saw they were going to be very good and put in a bid to host and got it.
Nothing wrong with that.
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Loyola is just ripping the ball and collective hearts of Stanford fans everywhere.
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Honestly, those last 15 points were one of the most impressive displays of volleyball I have ever seen.
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http://www.offtheblockblog.com/2014/05/video-stanfords-ncaa-finals-postmatch-news-conference/#more-8406 (http://www.offtheblockblog.com/2014/05/video-stanfords-ncaa-finals-postmatch-news-conference/#more-8406)
I love the Stanford post match press conference, especially the first minute and a half. Players looking very pissed and looking forward to revenge when Stanford gets to host the finals (Which I didn't know).
Stanford coach had a awesome comeback when a reporter asked him if Stanford was in on the recruiting process of Loyola's Cody Caldwell - 'The guys we are in on, are on my team'
But kudos to Loyola for riding the home crowd wave for biggest match.
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http://www.offtheblockblog.com/2014/05/video-stanfords-ncaa-finals-postmatch-news-conference/#more-8406 (http://www.offtheblockblog.com/2014/05/video-stanfords-ncaa-finals-postmatch-news-conference/#more-8406)
I love the Stanford post match press conference, especially the first minute and a half. Players looking very pissed and looking forward to revenge when Stanford gets to host the finals (Which I didn't know).
Stanford coach had a awesome comeback when a reporter asked him if Stanford was in on the recruiting process of Loyola's Cody Caldwell - 'The guys we are in on, are on my team'
But kudos to Loyola for riding the home crowd wave for biggest match.
To be honest it wasnt super loud there all things considered.
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Not sure why that is flipped upside down. So I guess the oops works literally.
To be honest it wasnt super loud there all things considered.
Disagreed.
http://www.offtheblockblog.com/2014/05/video-stanfords-ncaa-finals-postmatch-news-conference/#more-8406 (http://www.offtheblockblog.com/2014/05/video-stanfords-ncaa-finals-postmatch-news-conference/#more-8406)
I love the Stanford post match press conference, especially the first minute and a half. Players looking very pissed and looking forward to revenge when Stanford gets to host the finals (Which I didn't know).
Stanford coach had a awesome comeback when a reporter asked him if Stanford was in on the recruiting process of Loyola's Cody Caldwell - 'The guys we are in on, are on my team'
But kudos to Loyola for riding the home crowd wave for biggest match.
Love Conrad. Went from playing on a 16-2s team to leading the MPSF as a sophomore. Crazy how much he has improved in a 5 year span.
Happy for the 3 Lightning Loyola kids as well. They have won at every level they have played at. They will be a force next year as well, and were the best team throughout this season. 29-1. Congrats and well done.
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Not sure why that is flipped upside down. So I guess the oops works literally.
Disagreed.
Love Conrad. Went from playing on a 16-2s team to leading the MPSF as a sophomore. Crazy how much he has improved in a 5 year span.
Happy for the 3 Lightning Loyola kids as well. They have won at every level they have played at. They will be a force next year as well, and were the best team throughout this season. 29-1. Congrats and well done.
They return a lot. Only Smalzer and Jasaitis leave I believe. Smalzer will be a loss because he puts up a big block and serves well but I think they can easily find a competent libero.
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They return a lot. Only Smalzer and Jasaitis leave I believe. Smalzer will be a loss because he puts up a big block and serves well but I think they can easily find a competent libero.
Disagreed again. Smalzer is fine but easily replaceable. Fundamentally not very good. They were so good this year because unlike in the past 2 years they spread the ball around more offensively and didn't have to rely on him so much this year. Their libero is really solid. Extremely undervalued. Arguably the 2nd best in he country (Brinkley for UCI is hands down the best). I remember the first time I saw him play as a freshman myself and the guy I coach with both said, "He has to be from CA" when we saw his fundamentals. Sure enough, Manhattan Beach. Extends a lot of plays. When Loyola extends a play, it's almost always because of him. I think people will THINK Smalzer is the big loss, but I would bet the reality is the libero is the bigger loss.
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Loyola has a player at Marquette high....Peter Hutz
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Loyola has a player at Marquette high....Peter Hutz
As was Conrad Kaminski who played on Stanford.
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How did McAndrews play? He's by far the best HS player I've ever watched...but then again, I live in NE Ohio.
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How did McAndrews play? He's by far the best HS player I've ever watched...but then again, I live in NE Ohio.
He played well. His lack of height (weird to say when he's at 6'5") for a middle blocker is almost an advantage for him on the offensive end. He's up and open early and makes himself available really well. Explosive with a good arm. Defensively he doesn't block overly well, but he's not being overly exposed either. There were only a few points when I thought his lack of neigh really hurt him, where there was a solid sealed double block up on an out of system ball and Cook (Stanford's OH) just went over the top of him. But Stanford had the 2nd highest hitting percentage in the NCAAs this year and hit just .221 or something for the match as a team. All 3 pin hitters for them hit between .200-.245. Only Conrad Kaminski in the middle hit above .250 offensively for them and he was at .417 (which is very high), but for the season he was the only player in the MPSF to hit over .500 so even he didn't play to his average, so it's not like Stanford was able to just tee off as a result. (Just for comparison, Loyola as a team hit .422 for the match I believe...crazy numbers). Stanford just never found any kind of rhythm. The 3 pin hitters did not play well, their passing was bad, and their libero really struggles to move forward. Loyola did what they wanted when they wanted to and just took it to them in pretty much every facet of the game.
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How did McAndrews play? He's by far the best HS player I've ever watched...but then again, I live in NE Ohio.
McAndrews bounced back and had a very solid game after probably the worst game of his young career against Penn St.
My big question is when will MU start up a Men's D1 team? There is so much talent coming out of Wisconsin, and I'm sure they would have no problem recruiting stars from the Midwest and convince some California kids to move east. A Loyola-MU rivalry would be awesome.
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McAndrews bounced back and had a very solid game after probably the worst game of his young career against Penn St.
My big question is when will MU start up a Men's D1 team? There is so much talent coming out of Wisconsin, and I'm sure they would have no problem recruiting stars from the Midwest and convince some California kids to move east. A Loyola-MU rivalry would be awesome.
McAndrews was brutal against Penn St. Him and Smalzer almost singlehandedly lost that game for Loyola. I think the problem with an MU D1 team would be title IX. They already hace the resouces and the court, but they dont have a womens team to pair it with? The only thing I could think of would be softball but where would they play and practice.
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Softball doesn't require that much space, I'm sure they could find room in the valley for a field. Loyola and DePaul, two schools with far less space, make it happen by doubling their soccer fields as softball fields. A mens volleyball team just makes too much sense for MU to pass up, we'd probably even see a National Championship tournament hosted at the Al, and maybe MU with the right coaching hire and some good recruiting could find themselves in a similar situation Loyola did this year.
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Softball doesn't require that much space, I'm sure they could find room in the valley for a field. Loyola and DePaul, two schools with far less space, make it happen by doubling their soccer fields as softball fields. A mens volleyball team just makes too much sense for MU to pass up, we'd probably even see a National Championship tournament hosted at the Al, and maybe MU with the right coaching hire and some good recruiting could find themselves in a similar situation Loyola did this year.
Yea, it would take a while for sure but it helps when the best boys high school volleyball state besides California is a nice short trip down 94 East.
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Actually just reviewing the men's and women's sports, the easiest and most logical answer would be to add a Women's Golf team. I realize travel costs for both a Men's Volleyball team and Women's golf team can be very high, but I have a hard time believing that is an issue for Marquette.
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There's a pretty simple answer...why are you going to add an athletic team that is going to lose the athletic program money? And then on top of that, you have to add a second athletic team that will lose the athletic program money as a result of Title IX. Not happening.
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Yeah I was a little harsh on Loyola. I just have problems with a team playing on their home court for the title. But ncaa volleyball has limited venue choices because they do need to make money. Also several of the Loyola players look like pricks.
Have you seen enough pricks to know what one looks like?
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Bump for the start of the season. Here's to Ryan Theis maiden voyage.
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The women's volleyball team beat #7 Florida at Florida 15-13 in the 5th set.
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The women's volleyball team beat #7 Florida at Florida 15-13 in the 5th set.
Wow, that's a great win. Florida is tough this year.
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Awesome!
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The women's volleyball team beat #7 Florida at Florida 15-13 in the 5th set.
I was shocked to see them win, as I was at Al last Friday to see MU get beatdown by Rice.
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I was shocked to see them win, as I was at Al last Friday to see MU get beatdown by Rice.
Wasn't that shocking after they pushed Florida State to five sets, though.
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Softball doesn't require that much space, I'm sure they could find room in the valley for a field. Loyola and DePaul, two schools with far less space, make it happen by doubling their soccer fields as softball fields.
The difference there, or at least with DePaul, is that they don't have a track running around the field already.
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Great attendance for MU volleyball at thee Al this weekend! 800 plus in the sweep if Georgetown and a record crowd of 1,700 plus in the loss to Creighton on Saturday night.
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The USAV women's National Team won the World Championships today, not dropping a single match the entire tournament and sweeping Brazil in the semifinals (they beat China in 4 in the finals).
The USAV men's National Team won the World League but did not win the World Championships.
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Bump. Amanda Green signed today. From the same school at Taylor Louis. (Niles North) Saw Amanda play a few times and did not think she was good enough to get a D1 volleyball scholarship, Taylor was much better then she was in high school an she hasnt played at all this year. Interesting offer to say the least. Had Abdel Nader and Lorenzo Dillard not screwed up Marquette may have started a Niles North legacy.
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Bump. Amanda Green signed today. From the same school at Taylor Louis. (Niles North) Saw Amanda play a few times and did not think she was good enough to get a D1 volleyball scholarship, Taylor was much better then she was in high school an she hasnt played at all this year. Interesting offer to say the least. Had Abdel Nader and Lorenzo Dillard not screwed up Marquette may have started a Niles North legacy.
Not sure you are going to get much conversation on this thread since y'all chased melissasmooth off the board.
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I just don't know enough about high school girls volleyball to contribute. I've watched mu play a couple times this year and unfortunately I think they'll be taking a step back with bond leaving. bond was pretty determined.
I do know that the boys wiaa volleyball tournament starts tomorrow with the quarterfinals beginning at 12:30 pm and running through the evening at Wisconsin Lutheran college. semifinals are at 10:30 and 12:30 on Saturday at wlc and the finals are at 6 pm at wlc.
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I just don't know enough about high school girls volleyball to contribute. I've watched mu play a couple times this year and unfortunately I think they'll be taking a step back with bond leaving. bond was pretty determined.
I do know that the boys wiaa volleyball tournament starts tomorrow with the quarterfinals beginning at 12:30 pm and running through the evening at Wisconsin Lutheran college. semifinals are at 10:30 and 12:30 on Saturday at wlc and the finals are at 6 pm at wlc.
Who are the volleyball powerhouses in Wisconsin besides Burlington? In Illinois its pretty much the same 8-10 teams every year.
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Who are the volleyball powerhouses in Wisconsin besides Burlington? In Illinois its pretty much the same 8-10 teams every year.
Burlington is far from a powerhouse. They have had a couple of good years lately but I don't think they've ever won State. Marquette High is always the team to beat in the state. They have the 1 seed going into the State tournament (mainly because my little brother is their setter ;) - kidding that's not "mainly" why). They win State on average probably 60% of the time and have made it there I believe like 15 straight years. Tosa East has made state I believe 7 of the last 8 years with 1 title in there. Catholic Memorial finished 2nd at state 3 years in a row at one point and makes it just about every year. As of late Middleton and Appleton North have been consistently the best teams in their areas of the state.
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I just don't know enough about high school girls volleyball to contribute. I've watched mu play a couple times this year and unfortunately I think they'll be taking a step back with bond leaving. bond was pretty determined.
Injuries have kind of screwed around with what Theis wanted to do this year, I think. Still looking like an NCAA team, though.
On the topic of Bond, he has Iowa 1 game under .500 with 4 to play, and they've finished under .500 for the last 13 seasons.
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Injuries have kind of screwed around with what Theis wanted to do this year, I think. Still looking like an NCAA team, though.
On the topic of Bond, he has Iowa 1 game under .500 with 4 to play, and they've finished under .500 for the last 13 seasons.
Gotcha that would make sense.
Interesting, I haven't followed them at all. Hometown guy, I would bet on him turning that program around fairly quickly. Although in the B1G it's pretty tough. Competitive conference.
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Burlington is far from a powerhouse. They have had a couple of good years lately but I don't think they've ever won State. Marquette High is always the team to beat in the state. They have the 1 seed going into the State tournament (mainly because my little brother is their setter ;) - kidding that's not "mainly" why). They win State on average probably 60% of the time and have made it there I believe like 15 straight years. Tosa East has made state I believe 7 of the last 8 years with 1 title in there. Catholic Memorial finished 2nd at state 3 years in a row at one point and makes it just about every year. As of late Middleton and Appleton North have been consistently the best teams in their areas of the state.
Good to see MUHS win the title. My roommate from MU has two sons that play on the team.
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Good to see MUHS win the title. My roommate from MU has two sons that play on the team.
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He getting recruited by anybody?
Nah, 5'7" doesn't help his college chances. He's not really interested in playing college either. Didn't even want to play high school (has too much going on) but decided to do it anyways. At least it ended well.
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Bump for the womens team making it to the tourney 4 straight years.
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I just don't know enough about high school girls volleyball to contribute. I've watched mu play a couple times this year and unfortunately I think they'll be taking a step back with bond leaving. bond was pretty determined.
I do know that the boys wiaa volleyball tournament starts tomorrow with the quarterfinals beginning at 12:30 pm and running through the evening at Wisconsin Lutheran college. semifinals are at 10:30 and 12:30 on Saturday at wlc and the finals are at 6 pm at wlc.
Unfortunately a Marquette ends the season pretty poorly, losing to Seton Hall twice in a matter of weeks (including at home in the BE Tourney semifinals) and then lose in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. I hope I'm wrong but I just get the feeling that Bond had a little more of a chip on his shoulder, so to say, and came in with an understanding of what it takes to win at a high major program. Theis's success at Ohio is hard to argue with, but this hire was a turning point moment for the MU women's volleyball program. With the BE already being a below average "power" conference in women's volleyball before the divide, it became even more of a mid-major conference in women's volleyball with the new configuration. I think with the new hire MU was either going to get someone who would allow the program to be competitive within the BE but never really become a threat to make the 2nd week of the NCAA Tournament, or they could've hired someone who would've taken the program one step further than Bond and separated themselves from the pack in the BE and challenged some teams to make a run in the NCAAs, kind of like a Gonzaga basketball. Unfortunately I have felt like Thies fit the mold of the first type of hire, and in his first season MU took a small step back from what Bond had built it seemed. I know with 100% certainty that someone who I feel very confident would've taken the program to the next step beyond what Bond built was interested in the position, albeit late in the process. Hopefully Thies can prove me wrong.
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Bond was a much better recruiter as well. I've seen Amanda Green play (commit for next year) she's not good. Like even as a high school player she's not that good. Not even close to Taylor Louis in terms of skill lever and Taylor didn't play one point the entire year.
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Bond was a much better recruiter as well. I've seen Amanda Green play (commit for next year) she's not good. Like even as a high school player she's not that good. Not even close to Taylor Louis in terms of skill lever and Taylor didn't play one point the entire year.
Do you think Taylor Louis may have redshirted, so that's why she didn't play? Maybe that's what they have in store for Green since they may return all but one player for next year.
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Do you think Taylor Louis may have redshirted, so that's why she didn't play? Maybe that's what they have in store for Green since they may return all but one player for next year.
I don't doubt Taylor is going to end up red shirting but Green just isn't good.
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The coaching dominoes are starting to fall...
Debbie Brown is out at Notre Dame. I know that Marquette won't be involved in the carousel this time around, but it's going to get interesting. I would think that ND would be a pretty desirable job in light of how successful their women's sports have been lately.
Time for my daughter to start updating her contact lists again.
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If the rumors are true, Notre Dame just hit a home run in its coaching search. This is potentially a game changer in women's volleyball and ND could very well become a force in fairly short order.
I would think that a strong program at ND would cause pretty significant waves in the Midwest which will affect the Big 10. It also obviously would pretty significantly affect the ACC.
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If the rumors are true, Notre Dame just hit a home run in its coaching search. This is potentially a game changer in women's volleyball and ND could very well become a force in fairly short order.
I would think that a strong program at ND would cause pretty significant waves in the Midwest which will affect the Big 10. It also obviously would pretty significantly affect the ACC.
Following up on my own post...
It isn't official and hasn't been announced yet by either school, but it definitely looks like Jim McClaughlin, from Washington, is the new Head Coach at Notre Dame. He's been very successful at Washington and built that program from pretty much nothing. He's got a Championship and four FFs. He's a former National coach of the year and his team has made the tournament 12 years in a row (after the team finished last in the PAC 10 in 2000 - the year before he arrived).
Also interesting is that it appears that Xavier's head coach, Mike Johnson, has resigned and will be joining McLaughlin at ND as an Assistant. That also hasn't been announced, and Johnson still appears on Xavier's website, but Xavier just posted for a new HC.
It certainly looks like ND is "all in" with women's volleyball. It'll be interesting to see how it works out for them.
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Seattle or South Bend? Hmmmmmmmm.
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Seattle or South Bend? Hmmmmmmmm.
I believe 10 out of 12 teams from the Pac 12 made the NCAA Tournament this year in women's volleyball. Compare that to 4 out of the ACC's 15 schools and it's a little easier to have big time success in the ACC. Combine the ability to sell a Notre Dame degree for free with his own personal coaching success and he'll have that program towards the top of the ACC in no time.
Have had the pleasure of learning from a number of incredible volleyball coaches with Gold Medal Squared coming in and giving our coaches a clinic for 4 years, including Carl and Chris McGowan, John Speraw, Marv Dunphy, and Mike Wall. Jim McLaughlin is someone they all talked very highly of and they showed quite a bit of DataVolley to us. His players are always so fundamentally sound it's crazy. Everything from footwork (hitters and setters) to defensive positioning to blocking reads, it's really amazing. They are one of the few, if not the only, women's college volleyball team who has a truly dynamic block move.
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I believe 10 out of 12 teams from the Pac 12 made the NCAA Tournament this year in women's volleyball. Compare that to 4 out of the ACC's 15 schools and it's a little easier to have big time success in the ACC. Combine the ability to sell a Notre Dame degree for free with his own personal coaching success and he'll have that program towards the top of the ACC in no time.
I think it's going to be really interesting to see how McLaughlin does at ND. I would have to think that within a couple of years he's going to be in on many of the top players in the Midwest. There is a lot of talent in Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan. I also think he'll continue recruiting out West and will be able to do it better than a lot of Midwest schools because of his contacts and the Notre Dame name. Hiring Johnson from Xavier will give him some good inroads into the Midwest. If he can take 1-2 top players from the Midwest each year and still draw using the ND name, coupled with his coaching skill, I think ND will be a top 25 team within a pretty short time. The hire shows that they're committed to having a big-time volleyball program, and I think they'll be able to pull it off.
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I think it's going to be really interesting to see how McLaughlin does at ND. I would have to think that within a couple of years he's going to be in on many of the top players in the Midwest. There is a lot of talent in Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan. I also think he'll continue recruiting out West and will be able to do it better than a lot of Midwest schools because of his contacts and the Notre Dame name. Hiring Johnson from Xavier will give him some good inroads into the Midwest. If he can take 1-2 top players from the Midwest each year and still draw using the ND name, coupled with his coaching skill, I think ND will be a top 25 team within a pretty short time. The hire shows that they're committed to having a big-time volleyball program, and I think they'll be able to pull it off.
For sure. If Bond was able to get Marquette into/on the border of the top 25 in a few short years, Jim McLaughlin should have no issue doing it at Notre Dame.
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I would love to see men's volleyball become more popular in the collegiate ranks. Not an expensive sport but that brings in title IX problems.
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I believe 10 out of 12 teams from the Pac 12 made the NCAA Tournament this year in women's volleyball. Compare that to 4 out of the ACC's 15 schools and it's a little easier to have big time success in the ACC. Combine the ability to sell a Notre Dame degree for free with his own personal coaching success and he'll have that program towards the top of the ACC in no time.
Have had the pleasure of learning from a number of incredible volleyball coaches with Gold Medal Squared coming in and giving our coaches a clinic for 4 years, including Carl and Chris McGowan, John Speraw, Marv Dunphy, and Mike Wall. Jim McLaughlin is someone they all talked very highly of and they showed quite a bit of DataVolley to us. His players are always so fundamentally sound it's crazy. Everything from footwork (hitters and setters) to defensive positioning to blocking reads, it's really amazing. They are one of the few, if not the only, women's college volleyball team who has a truly dynamic block move.
I'm looking at it as...where would I (and my family) want to live? As a coach, you're living in that spot year-round. Give me Seattle, thank you.
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I'm looking at it as...where would I (and my family) want to live? As a coach, you're living in that spot year-round. Give me Seattle, thank you.
I'm looking at it as Urban Meyer did Florida...it sure is getting tough to win year in and year out and compete with the best programs in the country. I could get paid more to have an easier time winning and then take my chances in the post season. Longer term guaranteed job security with more money in a cheaper place to live, coaching at a school that will be easier to recruit to.
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Where is Gabby going?
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Where is Gabby going?
Don't know but let's just say she didn't voluntarily leave the program.
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And Bailey, Barber and Kintzel gone too--wham...big drop off from Bond.
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And Bailey, Barber and Kintzel gone too--wham...big drop off from Bond.
Did not know about Autumn or Nele. Wow. They kept that under wraps. Gabby was done for awhile and they announced Kintzel wasn't coming back.
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Looks like it's heading towards my fears coming true for the MU women's volleyball program.
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Looks like it's heading towards my fears coming true for the MU women's volleyball program.
Yup, Autumn is a terrible loss. Like program changing loss. Nele was pretty good too but Autumn was going to destroy the all time kills record going away.
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Looks like it's heading towards my fears coming true for the MU women's volleyball program.
I guess it was a nice ride while it lasted, but now it's back to reality. Tired of MU serving as a coaching feeder system for the "big boys."
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I guess it was a nice ride while it lasted, but now it's back to reality. Tired of MU serving as a coaching feeder system for the "big boys."
I agree with your first thought but disagree with your second. I think the second thought is where Marquette went wrong. Marquette had a chance to use Bond's success as a launching pad and get someone in there that would continue the momentum he had created. Instead, Marquette went with a safe hire, a guy with local ties who had "success" at the mid major level, and to him this is the "big boy job." I don't mind Marquette being a "stepping stone job" if it means Marquette's program continues to trend upwards with each new hire.
I can say with 100% certainty that there was interest in the job with a coach who is very well respected on the men's side of things and is an incredibly hard worker (his recruiting habits remind me of Buzz, you wonder how the heck he does it...yet a complete down to earth guy...knows every player's name from 8th graders on up and knows about their family, etc.), who also had assistant coaching experience on the women's college side. Let's just say he has been the right hand man of a coach who has been or currently is (don't want to give away his identity as maybe he doesn't want it known he was interested in a new position) the Men's National Team head coach for many years. The floor for his program would've been where Bond left it, and the ceiling would've been very high. Instead, we aspired to be Ohio (who was successful for the size of the school, no doubt, but are not legitimate contenders to go to the 2nd weekend in the NCAAs and beyond year in and year out).
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MU lost their three highest revenue sport coaches in a period of uncertainty and transition. Some should have been set free. Bond could have been and should have been retained. Cords blew this one, got the other two right.
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MU lost their three highest revenue sport coaches in a period of uncertainty and transition. Some should have been set free. Bond could have been and should have been retained. Cords blew this one, got the other two right.
I don't know if MU could kept him. He's from Iowa.
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I don't know if MU could kept him. He's from Iowa.
They could have tried $$$. I might add that he turned Iowa down at least twice this last time before he accepted.
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Loyola has been rolling early on including a big 3-1 win against BYU and a sweep at Stanford. Say what you want about their conference but they can play with the big boys when it counts.
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Loyola has been rolling early on including a big 3-1 win against BYU and a sweep at Stanford. Say what you want about their conference but they can play with the big boys when it counts.
My son and I were in Chicago for a volleyball tournament over the weekend, and were able to go see Loyola play Harvard on Saturday afternoon. They looked really, really good, but I honestly have no frame of reference because I haven't seen much high-level men's volleyball. But damn, they were good. I just kept shaking my head and laughing. The bic they ran about 5-6 times was absolutely amazing. It scored every time (except for one where the ref called a back row attack).
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Loyola has been rolling early on including a big 3-1 win against BYU and a sweep at Stanford. Say what you want about their conference but they can play with the big boys when it counts.
BYU lost what quite possibly could turn out to be the best volleyball player in men's US volleyball history, as well as their other outside being out following shoulder surgery and their All American right side being out on his mission, plus graduating a middle. People look at BYU's 2 wins over UCLA over the weekend and think they'll contend in the MPSF. I don't think they will, as UCLA doesn't start a single senior and is very young and passes horribly. Loyola made 31 (yes, thirty one!) hitting errors alone in their 4 set win over BYU. That is brutal. The right side is going to be a big problem unless one of the freshman develop quickly and step into that role, as McAndrews is truly a middle. Their libero spot is also a big problem for them. And their win over Stanford comes against a team who lost maybe more than any other team in the country, with all 3 pin hitters graduating. Plus James Shaw was coming back from a knee injury and only played half the match.
Loyola definitely deserves their #1 ranking (Lewis is #2, and Ball State and IPFW had some nice wins in the non-conference as well) and is certainly a favorite to repeat, but I wouldn't be looking too much into those wins. I think we'll learn more about them when they play Lewis.
Look for Pepperdine, USC, and my 2 sleepers would be UC Irvine and Hawaii to contend out of the MPSF. USC has some big holes (in my opinion, none of their pin hitters are strong enough), but Micah is so good that he makes up for that and gets them 1-on-1 situations constantly. Even below average college OHs will find put balls away with single blocks up. Pepperdine is just really good all around, very physically dominating, and have arguably the best coach in the history of USA volleyball. Irvine is also good all around, it's just a matter of finding a consistent lineup, which historically they struggle to do until the last 1/4 of the season. And Hawaii has some dominant middles and huge home court advantage.
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MU lost their three highest revenue sport coaches in a period of uncertainty and transition. Some should have been set free. Bond could have been and should have been retained. Cords blew this one, got the other two right.
Iowa paid him some major $. Not sure it was worth it to retain him even if he is a great coach. How much money is it worth spending on a non-revenue sport? At some point it's too much; I think Bond found that threshold.
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Might be to late to draw anyone's attention who might be interested, but one of my favorites in USC plays at one of my sleepers in UCI tonight (although UCI has jumped up in the rankings, but they were chosen to finish 5th in the MPSF in their preseason coaches poll). Here's a link to the stream of the match:
http://www.ucirvinesports.com/media/mvbstream
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Might be to late to draw anyone's attention who might be interested, but one of my favorites in USC plays at one of my sleepers in UCI tonight (although UCI has jumped up in the rankings, but they were chosen to finish 5th in the MPSF in their preseason coaches poll). Here's a link to the stream of the match:
http://www.ucirvinesports.com/media/mvbstream
Former player of mine leading USC in kills for the 2nd straight match in a 5 set win.
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Bump. When's the last time a West Coast team wasn't playing in the final? Has it ever happened?
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Bump. When's the last time a West Coast team wasn't playing in the final? Has it ever happened?
If you don't consider BYU "west coast," 2003. They lost to Lewis who later had to vacate the title.
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I was happy to see that Loyola is in the final again. I'll definitely have to watch that tomorrow night.
Looking at the box score, I saw that Owen McAndrews didn't play. Looking back through their results and box scores, it looks like Owen has had very little playing time since fairly early in the season. Anyone know why? It sucks to be on the bench, I'm sure, but I hope it's a volleyball issue and not an injury or health issue.
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If anyone caught that National Championship game, you might have witnessed one of the greatest men's volleyball games ever. Took 5 sets and more for Loyola to repeat. Lewis was a very well rounded team, but Loyola just had a little too much fire power. So much power that McAndrews pretty much lost his spot due to the addition of two freshman over 6-10. Loyola only loses 1 senior starter, so a three peat is not unthinkable. Overall a great night for Midwest volleyball and volleyball in general.
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If anyone caught that National Championship game, you might have witnessed one of the greatest men's volleyball games ever. Took 5 sets and more for Loyola to repeat. Lewis was a very well rounded team, but Loyola just had a little too much fire power. So much power that McAndrews pretty much lost his spot due to the addition of two freshman over 6-10. Loyola only loses 1 senior starter, so a three peat is not unthinkable. Overall a great night for Midwest volleyball and volleyball in general.
Great game. Caldwell will be a big loss though. However, though they have some talented freshman, they lose a ton after next year. Jaeske, Olson, Hutz and I think their Libero are all gone after next season.
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I didnt realize that volleyball combined D-I and D-II schools, seeing Lewis there was surprising, much less being the 1 seed.
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I should have guessed there was one, but returning home from Vermont yesterday I spotted a sign on I-91 in Holyoke, MA for The Volleyball Hall of Fame.
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I didnt realize that volleyball combined D-I and D-II schools, seeing Lewis there was surprising, much less being the 1 seed.
They're D1 for volleyball. Sine schools have different levels for different sports.
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If anyone caught that National Championship game, you might have witnessed one of the greatest men's volleyball games ever. Took 5 sets and more for Loyola to repeat. Lewis was a very well rounded team, but Loyola just had a little too much fire power. So much power that McAndrews pretty much lost his spot due to the addition of two freshman over 6-10. Loyola only loses 1 senior starter, so a three peat is not unthinkable. Overall a great night for Midwest volleyball and volleyball in general.
What a great match! Couldn't agree more. I'm just thankful I programmed my DVR to record extra time or I would have missed the end. That was great volleyball.
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They're D1 for volleyball. Sine schools have different levels for different sports.
I believe you can only "play up" in certain sports. Ice hockey, men's volleyball, lacrosse...maybe others. Schools can no longer place football or basketball teams in different divisions.
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I believe you can only "play up" in certain sports. Ice hockey, men's volleyball, lacrosse...maybe others. Schools can no longer place football or basketball teams in different divisions.
Nova? Butler?
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Nova? Butler?
Both are D1 FCS (Football Championship Subdivision) (formerly D1-AA), as compared to D1 FBS (Football Bowl Subdivision). But they're still D1.
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Was at the Final Four and after 2 less than stellar semifinal matches, what a final match. Props to both teams. Loyola should be on their way to a 3 peat, with BYU really their only big competition (as long as the rumors about Patch leaving are not true). Caldwell's consistent serve reception will be missed but they will have other guys who can outperform what he did offensively.
Nothing wrong with McAndrews health wise, just had a kid who came in and won the Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA Tournament as a freshman come in and win his spot in the starting lineup. Jendryk still isn't fundamentally where he needs to be, which is scary, because he is already very, very good.
Should be interesting to see who USC picks up as their coach. It would not shock me to see Dan Friend (Lewis's coach) take that job. Some people think Shane Davis is getting a call from USC. He might (well, he probably should), but it will be a very quick "Thank you but no thank you." This program is his baby. He got the job right after graduating when they were going to shut the program down, and he said he would do it even though they were only willing to pay him $10K for it. He's now making a very comfortable salary. They should go after the guy who we tried to get onto the Marquette woman's team's list of candidates, but we got our word in too late. And it would be all to ironic, because Brad Keller was one of the assistants who became the sacrificial lamb in order to keep Bill Ferguson around as the head coach at USC not too many years ago. Oops.
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Was at the Final Four and after 2 less than stellar semifinal matches, what a final match. Props to both teams. Loyola should be on their way to a 3 peat, with BYU really their only big competition (as long as the rumors about Patch leaving are not true). Caldwell's consistent serve reception will be missed but they will have other guys who can outperform what he did offensively.
Nothing wrong with McAndrews health wise, just had a kid who came in and won the Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA Tournament as a freshman come in and win his spot in the starting lineup. Jendryk still isn't fundamentally where he needs to be, which is scary, because he is already very, very good.
Should be interesting to see who USC picks up as their coach. It would not shock me to see Dan Friend (Lewis's coach) take that job. Some people think Shane Davis is getting a call from USC. He might (well, he probably should), but it will be a very quick "Thank you but no thank you." This program is his baby. He got the job right after graduating when they were going to shut the program down, and he said he would do it even though they were only willing to pay him $10K for it. He's now making a very comfortable salary. They should go after the guy who we tried to get onto the Marquette woman's team's list of candidates, but we got our word in too late. And it would be all to ironic, because Brad Keller was one of the assistants who became the sacrificial lamb in order to keep Bill Ferguson around as the head coach at USC not too many years ago. Oops.
Was that you wearing the Marquette blue sweatshirt with the gold lettering? Saw some guy that appeared on camera more than a few times.
Many of the US national team players were here on Friday at a Costa Mesa high school from both the men and the women's teams. Including the freshman from Loyola.
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Was that you wearing the Marquette blue sweatshirt with the gold lettering? Saw some guy that appeared on camera more than a few times.
Many of the US national team players were here on Friday at a Costa Mesa high school from both the men and the women's teams. Including the freshman from Loyola.
Nope, I was the guy in the white next to him. That was my roommate from college and teammate from high school.
Having coached 3 of the Loyola players in club one of them was kind enough to set me up with tickets when I told them I was coming out for the tournament, so we were in the Loyola section. I'm not exactly sure what her position was, but the woman who seemed to be handling the tickets and events for Loyola saw the Marquette shirt and started talking to us when she was handing out the post match party invites. Evidently she has 2 kids who went graduated from Marquette (the 2nd of which just graduated last weekend). She spoke very highly of their experiences at MU.
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Nope, I was the guy in the white next to him. That was my roommate from college and teammate from high school.
You guys didn't seem to be wanting Loyola to win, or you were pretty stoic when they did.
My son and I were chuckling when we watched the tournament and saw the sweatshirt...."what the hell...was that a Marquette sweatshirt".
Kudos to your roommate for representing. Set 5 was pretty insane. Thought the other sets were ok, so-so, with some good points here and there.
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You guys didn't seem to be wanting Loyola to win, or you were pretty stoic when they did.
My son and I were chuckling when we watched the tournament and saw the sweatshirt...."what the hell...was that a Marquette sweatshirt".
Kudos to your roommate for representing. Set 5 was pretty insane. Thought the other sets were ok, so-so, with some good points here and there.
Hah I try not to get too loud and riled up about it. On the inside I was certainly rooting for Loyola. I could've this year since I hadn't coached anyone on Loyola, but last year was really awkward. I couldn't make the Thursday (semifinal) matches because we had a club practice, so when Stanford upset Loyola I shot a text to the guy on Stanford who I had coached to see if they got any extra tickets, since all the team tickets come in a package for the whole tournament (so not just semifinals or just finals, but all rounds). Each team is allotted, I believe, 100 tickets per team. When BYU lost I thought maybe they'd offer some of their tickets up to Stanford. Luckily for me they did and I was sitting in the first row of the Stanford player pass section. Having coached 3 guys on Loyola and 1 on Stanford, and having seen all of their parents at the match, I certainly couldn't openly root for either team. Eventually the Stanford parents sitting next to myself and my friend finally turned to us and said, "Okay I'm sorry, but I have to ask, how did you get these seats and are you even rooting for anyone?"
I was wearing one of my shirts for Greg Von Rueden. I have worn those shirts at each of the last 3 Final Fours.
I thought the team that lost each of set 1 and 2 was the team that should've won those sets. When you get a 5 point lead in a set at that level you have to be able to hang onto that lead, especially when the stakes are as high as they were. But to each team's credit, players stepped up and stole those sets (particularly Petty in the 1st set and Loyola's serve reception as a whole in the 2nd). The 2nd half of set 4 was very good I thought. Some very good defensive digs that led to some really entertaining rallies. Lewis's libero was very impressive. He's too willing to fall backwards and commits too early sometimes, but he gets results.
Set 5 was a thriller. For as much as I absolutely love the kid and root for him because nobody I have ever coached works harder than him, I have no idea what Shane Davis was thinking subbing in 6'1" Trevor Novotny on the right side in serve reception with Lewis having match point and Petty front row. Gevis played a really poor match (in my opinion) and his block, while he had a few big ones, got abused quite often, but I'd still take my chances with a 6'11" kid putting some hands in their stud's face than a 6'1" outside hitter coming in cold off the bench to block on the right. I guess Shane's thinking was "we need to slow the match down and I don't have timeouts, and we're either going to put the ball away and even the score or they're going to get a dig and Ricky's not slowing Petty down anyways, so it'll be match over either way," but I'd still take the matchup over the momentum any day. But, Petty got his swing on Novotny and let it get away. The Lightning kids always did beat the SPRI (and Ultimate) boys ;).
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Nothing wrong with McAndrews health wise, just had a kid who came in and won the Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA Tournament as a freshman come in and win his spot in the starting lineup. Jendryk still isn't fundamentally where he needs to be, which is scary, because he is already very, very good.
Glad to hear that Owen is well. Actually, I saw him on Thursday when my son's HS team played at Owen's alma mater (St. Eds).
When I watched Loyola play Harvard earlier this year Owen was playing RS. I think (but am not sure) that is where he was slotted when he played early in the season (even though they have him listed as MH). So, it was the other Freshman who took his spot. I guess it's hard to argue with 6'11". I'd imagine that's a pretty common occurrence with teams that reach the "next level." The freshman who are coming in after the championship are sometimes a higher caliber than the existing players and take their spots. Still, I'd imagine it's been a nice experience for Owen at Loyola with two national championships and a good shot at a third.
The championship was a great match. That fifth set was incredible. Lewis just didn't have an answer for Loyola's middles. Loyola's middles combined for 0.524 (27 kills on 42 swings with only 5 errors). Amazing. In that final set, it seemed like every time they set the middle they got the kill.
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Glad to hear that Owen is well. Actually, I saw him on Thursday when my son's HS team played at Owen's alma mater (St. Eds).
When I watched Loyola play Harvard earlier this year Owen was playing RS. I think (but am not sure) that is where he was slotted when he played early in the season (even though they have him listed as MH). So, it was the other Freshman who took his spot. I guess it's hard to argue with 6'11". I'd imagine that's a pretty common occurrence with teams that reach the "next level." The freshman who are coming in after the championship are sometimes a higher caliber than the existing players and take their spots. Still, I'd imagine it's been a nice experience for Owen at Loyola with two national championships and a good shot at a third.
The championship was a great match. That fifth set was incredible. Lewis just didn't have an answer for Loyola's middles. Loyola's middles combined for 0.524 (27 kills on 42 swings with only 5 errors). Amazing. In that final set, it seemed like every time they set the middle they got the kill.
Yeah Owen started out the season as their starting right side but in my opinion (and possibly Shane's and their staff's opinion) he's naturally just a middle blocker. He did not seem very comfortable on the right side and when hitting he would dip his left shoulder and that led to a lot of hitting into blocks and hitting errors, plus making it hard to hit down the line so making the scouting report on him easier. Eventually a freshman from Milwaukee took his spot, and after that kid became an error machine Gevis finally ended up taking the spot to close out the season, as Gevis has only been playing volleyball for a few years and finally found enough consistency to warrant being on the court. What's interesting is that McAndrews was really explosive in the middle but seemed to lack explosiveness on the right side. Just being out of his comfort zone I suppose. Once you remove the pin-to-pin moves that middles have to make they can become pretty uncomfortable and seem to have a hard time waiting and timing out their blocks. McAndrews seemed to handle it all in stride and seemed like he was having a blast at the Final Four.
It's always been our philosophy that you get your middles the ball as much as you can. They will always have the highest hitting efficiency of anyone on the court. Serve and pass become the name of the game because if you can do those 2 things you can get your middles the ball and you can take the other team's middles out of the game. Middles will almost always have a 1 on 1 and at most have just simple help on them. Plus when you throw the threat of a bic like Jaeshke in there it's just 1 more thing for a middle blocker on the other side to think about. What's scary is that Loyola could have the 2 future starting middles for the National team. Olson was injured for a big portion of the conference season, but in my (biased, as I coached him) opinion he is every bit as good as Jendryk right now, mainly because he is more fundamental. Jendryk has the ability to hit some really nice off angle shots, but he doesn't get through the ball well yet, but when he does he will be scary good. Scott Stadick, a UCI commit from Watertown, may be in that mix in 5 or so years as well.
These guys just continue to win at every level they've been at. They each have 2 club National Championships, 2 NCAA National Championships, and 1 WIAA State Championship. The 2 on the left were 2 time Nationals All Tournament Team and the 1 on the right was 2 time Nationals MVP.
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Rewatching the game and two things about the college game amaze me. One, how quick these 6 10 kids move. They move so well, you think of how slow Otule was but these guys have such incredible footwork. Secondly, the passing amazes me every time, in both serve receive and in regards two digs.
I used to go to Loyolas volleyball camp back in like 2007 and 2008. Shane was there and he's such a great guy. Also, since I was a setter, I worked a lot with Hutz's older brother who was on the team at that time. He was a goof but setting runs in the family I guess.
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It's always been our philosophy that you get your middles the ball as much as you can. They will always have the highest hitting efficiency of anyone on the court. Serve and pass become the name of the game because if you can do those 2 things you can get your middles the ball and you can take the other team's middles out of the game. Middles will almost always have a 1 on 1 and at most have just simple help on them. Plus when you throw the threat of a bic like Jaeshke in there it's just 1 more thing for a middle blocker on the other side to think about.
That bic they run with Jaeschke is absolutely ridiculous. When we saw them play Harvard, I think they ran it about 6 or 7 times and scored on all but one.
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That bic they run with Jaeschke is absolutely ridiculous. When we saw them play Harvard, I think they ran it about 6 or 7 times and scored on all but one.
It's the most fun play to watch in volleyball if done well, in my opinion. Seeing someone jump from behind the 3 meter line and be able to contact the ball at about 4 feet off the net at nearly the same tempo as a middle attack makes it pretty dang tough to defend.
When those guys were 16s we had Olson (6'10") and Josh Kirchner (6'7" now playing RS at USC) in he middle and they were had and shoulders above any other middle in the country. We ran them on just standard 1 balls because they could go OT of any other middle block in the country (so why complicate it by moving them around and allowing teams to bring help blockers to them?). We then had Novotny, who at that time was the most dominant player in the country for the age group, run a bic but in the gap between the middle and the outside (so basically a 31 but to the back row), and we had a little setter whose IQ and placement was 2nd to none (he's playing libero for Erskine, who made the NCAAs last year out of the Coastal Carolinas but lost to Pfieffer in the conference finals this year). The first qualifier of that year we sat Novotny for the entire first pool and at that time qualifiers were just 2 day events, so you'd do your first pool on day 1 and start your 2nd pool on day 1, finishing the 2nd pool day 2 and then doing the playoffs on day 2. We finally put Novotny in for the last match of that day and he was just itching to play. Mid way through the first set he just blistered the Gap set and their middle blocker turned to their coach and said, "Coach, this isn't even fair." He was right, it wasn't fair at that age. He then turned to Trevor and said, "Can you at least let us score a few points?" Pretty funny. Hutz's older brother just finished his senior year that season and he came to play at a few practices. The first time he was back row with Trevor hitting OH on the other team Trevor ripped 1 right past Mike down the line, and Mike turned to us and said, "That right there is a D1 level swing." I'm hoping that kid is in the gym passing serve receive every day until next season. He can get the job done even at 6'1". Just comes down to being a nail gun passer.
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Rewatching the game and two things about the college game amaze me. One, how quick these 6 10 kids move. They move so well, you think of how slow Otule was but these guys have such incredible footwork. Secondly, the passing amazes me every time, in both serve receive and in regards two digs.
I used to go to Loyolas volleyball camp back in like 2007 and 2008. Shane was there and he's such a great guy. Also, since I was a setter, I worked a lot with Hutz's older brother who was on the team at that time. He was a goof but setting runs in the family I guess.
If i recall correctly, Peter Hutz wasn't even a setter in high school at MUHS. His older brother, now Dr. Hutz, was actually the one known more for his setting.
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If i recall correctly, Peter Hutz wasn't even a setter in high school at MUHS. His older brother, now Dr. Hutz, was actually the one known more for his setting.
Peter hit throughout his high school career but he did set half of his 17s club season and his entire 18s season, making the All Tournament Team at Nationals as a setter his 18s year.
And come to think of it, not only did Novotny win MVP twice at Nationals, but he also was named to the All Tournament Team the 2 other years (they only give out All Tournament 15s-18s, so Novotny was All Tournament all 4 years he possibly could've been, with 2 of them MVPs).
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Peter hit throughout his high school career but he did set half of his 17s club season and his entire 18s season, making the All Tournament Team at Nationals as a setter his 18s year.
And come to think of it, not only did Novotny win MVP twice at Nationals, but he also was named to the All Tournament Team the 2 other years (they only give out All Tournament 15s-18s, so Novotny was All Tournament all 4 years he possibly could've been, with 2 of them MVPs).
I was at the first Loyola-Lewis match during the regular season and saw Novotny run one of the best bics I've ever seen. I didn't know his history, so it came as a huge surprise to me. I'm sure he doesn't regret coming to team that has won back to back national champs and made it to the Final Four every year he's been there, but he sounds like he could have been a star at a lesser MIVA teams and maybe even a career similar to former Tosa West and Lewis star Drew Pickering.
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I was at the first Loyola-Lewis match during the regular season and saw Novotny run one of the best bics I've ever seen. I didn't know his history, so it came as a huge surprise to me. I'm sure he doesn't regret coming to team that has won back to back national champs and made it to the Final Four every year he's been there, but he sounds like he could have been a star at a lesser MIVA teams and maybe even a career similar to former Tosa West and Lewis star Drew Pickering.
He's a special player, just his combination of a lack of height and his inability to be a nail gun passer (he's not a bad passer, but when you're a 6'1" OH you have to have unbelievable ball control to be effective at the high major level) keep him from doing huge things at the college level. He was also 2 time WIAA State Player of the Year in Wisconsin and possibly 4 time All State Team?
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Illinois boys state tournament is in full swing. Really some great volleyball if anyone is interested. Couple of thoughts, there was a regional in the Southwest that was absolutely brutal. Lincoln way east, north, west and central were all in it and they are all incredibly good volleyball schools. They got screwed having to play eachother so early.
Glenbrook South sectional is going to be a fun one. Loyola, New Trier and Glenbrook North are always good and Maine East who has always been a solid volleyball school finally got over the hump and won a regional (congrats dad!) There area lot of talented players in those 4 teams. Don't know if anyone pays attention but if you enjoy the game definitely worth going out for a look. State finals at Hoffman Estates is always a good time as well.
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Illinois boys state tournament is in full swing. Really some great volleyball if anyone is interested. Couple of thoughts, there was a regional in the Southwest that was absolutely brutal. Lincoln way east, north, west and central were all in it and they are all incredibly good volleyball schools. They got screwed having to play eachother so early.
Glenbrook South sectional is going to be a fun one. Loyola, New Trier and Glenbrook North are always good and Maine East who has always been a solid volleyball school finally got over the hump and won a regional (congrats dad!) There area lot of talented players in those 4 teams. Don't know if anyone pays attention but if you enjoy the game definitely worth going out for a look. State finals at Hoffman Estates is always a good time as well.
Ohio is well underway too. Everything moves to Columbus this weekend to wrap things up. Division II final four is set, and Division I is down to its final 8.
A quick look at my avatar will tell you who I'm rooting for this weekend. Hoping my son can close out his HS career with a state championship. They've been ranked No. 1 since the pre-season polls, so I hope they can close it out with two more wins. Unfortunately, Ohio pre-determines the final four match ups (as opposed to seeding the final four) and Walsh will be playing the team that's been ranked No. 2 all year (and defending state champs) in the semis. It's a shame those two won't meet in the final.
Go Warriors!
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Ohio is well underway too. Everything moves to Columbus this weekend to wrap things up. Division II final four is set, and Division I is down to its final 8.
A quick look at my avatar will tell you who I'm rooting for this weekend. Hoping my son can close out his HS career with a state championship. They've been ranked No. 1 since the pre-season polls, so I hope they can close it out with two more wins. Unfortunately, Ohio pre-determines the final four match ups (as opposed to seeding the final four) and Walsh will be playing the team that's been ranked No. 2 all year (and defending state champs) in the semis. It's a shame those two won't meet in the final.
Go Warriors!
Illinois doesn't reseed either. I don't mind it cause I always had the mindset that you gotta beat somebody. My big problem for Illinois is how they divide their regionals and sectionals. Like any one of those Lincoln Way teams would have won the sectional of the city schools and OPRF, they just got screwed by having to beat eachother up in the first two rounds.
IHSA is down to 32 teams still. They started late but I also think they have more participating school than Ohio.
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Illinois doesn't reseed either. I don't mind it cause I always had the mindset that you gotta beat somebody. My big problem for Illinois is how they divide their regionals and sectionals. Like any one of those Lincoln Way teams would have won the sectional of the city schools and OPRF, they just got screwed by having to beat eachother up in the first two rounds.
IHSA is down to 32 teams still. They started late but I also think they have more participating school than Ohio.
I agree completely with that, and it's not really the issue that bothers me. The unfortunate thing is that all year long everyone has known that the two best D2 teams in the state would meet in the semi-finals. It's a shame that they can't play for the championship. Of course I'll be eating crow if the winner of that match loses in the final (which I worry about because of the let down after beating the superior opponent in the semis). No matter what happened, the Champion from the North was going to play the Champion from the West in the semis. It rotates from year to year. I'm sure it is to ensure that teams from different areas of the state will play each other, but I think that the natural rise/fall of teams will take care of that over time. They go to the trouble of ranking the teams. I wish they'd seed them in the tournament.
Because Ohio starts with regional tournaments, there is also the problem you mentioned where good teams in strong regions get knocked out early. In D1 the top three teams in Ohio are in the South, so one of them (the defending champs) didn't even make the final eight. That's a shame, but its harder to fix than re-seeding the final four. There are pretty compelling reasons to use the regional system until the final four (final 8 for D1).
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Wisconsin (and I'm sure very state in every sport) also faces the stacked sectionals vs. weak sectionals and a poor team making it to State while a top team goes home in a Regional Semifinal (and Final). But the WIAA has a really good system once it gets to the State tournament. The 8 coaches whose teams make it to State have a conference call and they seed the top 4 teams. After the top 4 teams (and their seed) are determined, they do random drawings of the other 4 teams to see first round matchups. This way it's not entirely seeded from 1-8, but it keeps the top 2 teams in years where there are a clear #1 and #2 from facing off in a State quarterfinal or even semifinal.
As far as seeding goes and whether it's a big deal or not, it really can be. The amount of ease in which 1 team has on their path to the Finals can make the difference as to whether or not they're fresh or spent in the Finals. Matchups can also play a huge role. Maybe you're the 1 seed but you match up really poorly with the 3 seed but really well with the 4 seed. Or the 4 seed matches up really well with the 1 seed while the 2 seed has no chance against the 1 seed. If it's just a random draw and the 2 ends up playing the 1 in the semis despite being better all year than the 4, then the 2 seed's season is done for all intents and purposes, whereas if it goes by seed the 4 might knock the 1 out and open up the opportunity for the 2 seed to win it all.
And as StillAWarrior kind of alludes to, it's just a better atmosphere when the 2 best teams meet in the Finals and not before then. A lot of people will skip the Finals if the consensus is that the Finals was already played before the actual Finals. Take the Novotny/Olson/Hutz 16s year. Our Lightning team lost a total of 1 match to a 16s team that season, and that came against defending National Champion Balboa Bay. We had also beat Balboa that season, so we were 1-1 against them. We didn't drop a single set in any of the 3 Nationals qualifiers we were in. We played up in a college club tournament and won the whole thing. We played up in as many 18s tournaments as we could and beat 2 different 18s teams that ended up taking top 10 at Nationals for 18s...and we were a 16s team. We lost a total of 5 SETS to 16s or 17s teams the entire season, and lost a total of 3 matches all year (1 to Balboa, 1 to SPRI 18 1s, and 1 to D1 18 1s, having beaten SPRI 18 1s 1 other time and Ultimate 18 1s). Yet somehow because we finished 2nd in the SCVA Tournament to Balboa they seeded us...not 2 (understandable, Balboa was the defending champs, and they had beat us in the SCVA Tourney)...but FOURTH. Which meant that if for the first 3 days and 1st match of day 4 both us and them held our seeds we'd meet them in the Semis. Sure enough neither of us lost a match up until the National Semifinals. They had us on court 2, the court right on the other side of the stadium seating for championship court. The crowd for that match was shoulder to shoulder and went up to all the surrounding courts. There were people standing on the top row of the championship court just so they could look down on court 2 to watch the match.
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These were people looking away from the championship court onto our court for the semifinals against Balboa Bay.
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And this was just behind 1 of the end lines for court 2. It was like that around the entire court.
Then after we beat Balboa 22-25, 25-23, 15-12, we went on to play Ultimate in the Finals, a team we had played 5 times that year and lost a total of 1 set to (while we were playing horribly at the SCVA Tourney and still made the finals). Everyone knew what the result would be, and it reflected in the crowd turnout, with basically just parents and players of the 2 clubs.
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That was 1 side of the crowd for the 25-17, 25-13 win. Horrible job of seeding the tournament and it took a lot of excitement away from the Finals, which is unfortunate because the Semifinals are played while other age groups are still playing pool play matches (for example, our 17s team with my brother on it couldn't watch our match against Balboa because they had their own match going on). The Finals are played after all of the Open play is done for the day, and everyone can go watch it if they want. Unfortunately, not many people had the desire to watch what, as one of our players said after we won, "felt like we just won another Midwest qualifier."
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Was that the Ultimate from Illinois? If so, I'm kinda surprised they were there. Adversity and those Puerto Rican 16s teams were always better than Ultimate in my opinion.
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Was that the Ultimate from Illinois? If so, I'm kinda surprised they were there. Adversity and those Puerto Rican 16s teams were always better than Ultimate in my opinion.
Yes. Ultimate has become the dominant team in the Midwest, which is funny because they are so fundamentally bad. They finish top 5 at just about every age group every year, but it's all because they get to pick which kids they want and the rest split up what's left over. They just physically dominate. 2 years ago they were up like 9-2 in the 3rd set of the 18s national championship...and lost 15-13. Horrible. But I'm glad. Classless club. Parents, players, and coaches alike are all obnoxious jerks. And they blatantly lie about their accomplishments. After we beat them in the National title they were throwing around the line that they "finished higher than any Midwest club" at every age group at Nationals." It was news to everyone that you could finish higher than the club you lost to in the National title. With all their success I'm pretty sure they have never won a title. And they very rarely send kids to division 1 schools other than their middles, who colleges will take because it's the least skilled position. A lot of kids from their top teams end up at Carthage College.
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Yes. Ultimate has become the dominant team in the Midwest, which is funny because they are so fundamentally bad. They finish top 5 at just about every age group every year, but it's all because they get to pick which kids they want and the rest split up what's left over. They just physically dominate. 2 years ago they were up like 9-2 in the 3rd set of the 18s national championship...and lost 15-13. Horrible. But I'm glad. Classless club. Parents, players, and coaches alike are all obnoxious jerks. And they blatantly lie about their accomplishments. After we beat them in the National title they were throwing around the line that they "finished higher than any Midwest club" at every age group at Nationals." It was news to everyone that you could finish higher than the club you lost to in the National title. With all their success I'm pretty sure they have never won a title. And they very rarely send kids to division 1 schools other than their middles, who colleges will take because it's the least skilled position. A lot of kids from their top teams end up at Carthage College.
I know the parents your talking about. It's all of those north shore schools. They're awful at their high school games too, have that sense of entitlement. My dad coached two players who played for ultimate, they graduated back in 2008, although they were really nice kids. The middle didn't play in college and the right side played for, you guessed it, Carthage.
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I know the parents your talking about. It's all of those north shore schools. They're awful at their high school games too, have that sense of entitlement. My dad coached two players who played for ultimate, they graduated back in 2008, although they were really nice kids. The middle didn't play in college and the right side played for, you guessed it, Carthage.
I'm much more familiar with the girls side of things, but it is interesting to see how different clubs develop and attract certain personalities. Some clubs are great with wonderful parents and kids. Some are...well...not so much.
It's also interesting how different areas of the country are so different. Biggest example: a lot of Texas teams switch sides after each set, and they get really pissed if you don't give up your seat when they move over.
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Got ousted by New Trier tonight. Oh well, didn't expect to win but Maine East hung tough almost pushed it to a g3rd game. NT setter is really good going to Irvine next year.
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Got ousted by New Trier tonight. Oh well, didn't expect to win but Maine East hung tough almost pushed it to a g3rd game. NT setter is really good going to Irvine next year.
Dante? Ehh. He's good for a high school guy for sure, but I would be shocked if he contributed much at Irvine (then again, I thought the same exact thing about Irvine's setter when he was playing 17s and now he's starting for them, but setter has been the absolute achilles heal to that team for the past 2 seasons, so maybe there was some truth to my thinking). The club team I coached last year (decent but far, far from great...finished 10th at Nationals) completely dominated his Vortex team and it was 100% because he ran the most predictable and horribly spread offense I've ever seen. I have no idea how he thought he was setting a good offense, and am shocked his coach wouldn't fix this. In rotation 4 where usually the MB and front row S stack all the way to the left so the OH can pass and swing on the left when he's front right Dante would have his OH pass right and sing from the right while having his MB hit a standard middle 1. So essentially he was bringing all 3 front row players into about 12 feet of the court, and he was baffled that we continued to shut down his offense. His location is fine but his decision making are terrible and he tries to be way, way too offensive when it comes to attack attempts from the setter.
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I know the parents your talking about. It's all of those north shore schools. They're awful at their high school games too, have that sense of entitlement. My dad coached two players who played for ultimate, they graduated back in 2008, although they were really nice kids. The middle didn't play in college and the right side played for, you guessed it, Carthage.
A sense of entitlement is exactly right. The next year at 17s we went into day 3 of Nationals hanging onto the overall #1 seed (despite losing a match on day 2...the team we lost to then lost to someone else in our pool who we beat, and we won the 3 team tiebreak based on set record) with SCVC and Ultimate as the other 2 teams in our pool. By day 3 it is down to 12 teams that have a chance to still win the title, with 4 pools of 3 teams. The top 2 teams in each pool move on to the quarterfinals and the bottom team of each pool drop down to a 4 team Silver bracket. So essentially if you go 1-1 on day 3 you in theory should move on to the quarterfinals, but worst case there's a 3 way tie and the 1 seed is determined by game record (and the point ratio if that's tied) and the 2 and 3 seeds then play a playoff to take 2nd and move into Gold. The schedule is the 1 seed plays the 3 seed first, then the 2 and 3 seeds play, and then the 1 and 2 seeds play. We were the 1 in the pool, Ultimate the 2, and SCVC the 3. We smoked SCVC in the first match of the pool and then SCVC beat Ultimate in a close 3 set match. We won the first set against Ultimate, so since we would've all been 1-1 if we lost the next 2 sets we had already locked up the 1 seed and a quarterfinal appearance since we would've been 3-2 in sets while Ultimate would've been 3-3 and SCVC 2-3, and Ultimate did then win the 2nd set against us and led almost the entire 3rd set before we snuck it out (we were playing really bad volleyball relative to what we could have really that entire year). Ultimate brought basically their entire club over to the court to cheer them on in that match along with a ton of parents and they were definitely feeling a win coming in the middle of that 3rd set. After we pulled out the win there were multiple parents who came up to Will and I and complained that we didn't just let them win the match after we won the 1st set since we had locked up the 1 seed so that they could have a Playoff with SCVC for a chance to get into Gold, and it wasn't like a "Haha aww we wish you would've just let us win, but congrats" it was a "Are you kidding me? How can you not let us win that match?" It was truthfully insulting that they'd even think of saying that out loud to us.
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By the way the World League is going on right now and NBC Sports Network is showing some of the USA Men's team's matches. They showed their 2 matches vs. Iran (both wins in 4 sets at USC) on Sunday and play Russia (defending Olympic champions) at Long Beach State this weekend. One of those matches will be shown next Tuesday on NBCSN at 7:00 PM Central Time (I believe, double check that).
They then play at the Sears Center in Hoffman Estates, IL against Poland (defending World Champions, while USA is the defending World League champion) the following weekend, June 12 and 13 at 7:00 PM. Not sure if those will be televised at all. If you can make the matches I highly recommend going and getting the best seats possible. The speed of the game from up close is truly unbelievable and the size of the players is shocking (not just the height, these guys are built). They played 2 World League matches 2 summers ago in Reno while the Boys Junior National Championships were going on and we bought tickets really early knowing we'd be there and had great seats. Worth every penny. The atmosphere is incredible too. It is like a Champions League soccer game. It'll be 80% Poland fans and they will be waving giant flags, setting off horns and other noise makers, screaming, dancing, and just having a blast. Definitely a much different atmosphere than American volleyball.
As far as that team goes right now they are young and the future is bright. They're ranked #5 in the world right now but that will only get better. Taylor Sander graduated from BYU in May 2014 and his first international competition was the World League, in which he won MVP. Micah Christenson set the team having just finished his junior year at USC. Those 2 are back and starting again. Max Holt is a "veteran" at 28 and he has turned a corner. I don't see how anyone in the world could be playing the MB position any better than he is right now. David Smith is another veteran at the MB position and he's a solid but not spectacular guy. Doesn't get many opportunities offensively but blocks well for being "undersized" at 6'8". Could see Olson or Jendryk in there come the Olympics (some would say Avrill from Hawaii but I don't see his game translating well to the international level). Depending on what the 3rd pin hitter brings, Matt Anderson is another veteran at 28 and when Murphy Troy (RS) is playing well enough (unfortunately not very often) that Anderson can play on the left there's nobody in the world that's better. He left PSU after his junior year to play for the National team and was given a $1 million+ contract to play in Russia (unheard of money in men's volleyball). If Troy isn't getting the job done on the right (his defense is horrible and below average blocker for a right side, plus his out of system offense is below average which is huge for a RS, but he does serve well and can tank on balls in system) Anderson then moves to the right (and they often shift their serve reception around so he can still pass) and Aaron Russel, who just graduated from PSU in May, starts on the OH. He had a huge first weekend, starting both matches and looking pretty good. Defensively he is still adjusting to the speed of the game at this level but he looks like he'll be a contributor for a while. Thomas Jaeshke is also on the roster, so they have 3 players each one year apart who can all contribute in big ways, with the oldest being 23. Plus there's Anderson. A good logjam to have at the most important position in volleyball. Christenson is an all around stud at setter. Erik Shoji starts at libero as a 25 year old and is steady but not spectacular.
If the USA can find a good enough RS to keep Anderson on the left there's no reason they couldn't win every big world event. I think you can find slight upgrades at the MB2 and even L positions but those aren't holes on the team by any means. And Anderson is an outstanding RS, but he's the most dominant player in the world on the left, so you almost have to find a way to keep him out there even if it means putting Troy on the right despite him not being as good overall as Sander, Russel, or Jaeshke, none of which I think can play on the right.
Definitely a fun time for USA Men's volleyball. Possibly the most talent available in the USA since Marv Dunphy became the only coach to win each major world event in his quad in the 1980s.
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Micah is so much fun to watch. Incredible hands and a really good/deceptive serve.
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For those interested, USA men's lost to Brazil in 4 sets last night, beat France in 4 sets today, and France beat Brazil in 4 sets earlier. USA had the best point ratio, France the 2nd best, and Brazil the 3rd, so the host Brazil gets bounced and USA and France move on to the World League Finals.
Also, the Pan Am games are going on and USA's men's Pan Am team will play on ESPN at some point on Sunday I was told (they weren't sure what time). They play at 3:30 against Puerto Rico today and that will be show on ESPN3. This is the roster 1 step below the National team and is typically made up of the best college volleyball players in the country. Conrad Kaminski is an MUHS alum and going into his senior year at Stanford and made the roster. He'll be a reserve MB. Crazy what kind of progress he has made. He was on North Shore 16-2s team his 16s year (so the 3rd best team in the state of Wisconsin, as Lightning won Nationals that year - 2010 - and North Shore 1s were obviously better than their 2s), made Lightning 17s the next year and was the 3rd middle, then took the starting middle spot for Lightning 18s the following year (they won Nationals again that year), got into Stanford for academics and decided to play volleyball, and by his sophomore year he was the leader in hitting percentage in the MPSF. Couldn't happen to a better kid.
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Marquette has surprisingly come out the gates firing. Beat a very good Dayton squad and 21st ranked Iowa St. Taylor Louis has filled in incredibly for Autumn Bailey. (who hasn't even gotten in a match for Michigan St) Sure helps though when you have a good setter though, which is what MU was desperately missing last year.
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3-0 weekend for MU.
Beat North Dakota, who had a school record 26 wins last year. Dayton won the Atlantic 10 and beat #21 Iowa State in front of almost 3,000 fans in Ames, Iowa.
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3-0 weekend for MU.
Beat North Dakota, who had a school record 26 wins last year. Dayton won the Atlantic 10 and beat #21 Iowa State in front of almost 3,000 fans in Ames, Iowa.
It's nice when you have a competent setter to run the offense. No offense to Mary, she's such a nice person but just not a good enough setter. Blaiser is a stud.
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I was surprised to see Marquette fall to St. John's last night. I think St. John's might be a team on the rise. I have it on good authority that they offered a pretty solid 2017 setter last weekend. ;)
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Kind of surprised MU made the tournament. Apparently Marquette has 3 top 100 recruits for next year and 2 are from Wisconsin.
Wade, you familiar with the recruiting scene for women's volleyball in Wisconsin at all? How good are they if you've seen them.
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Kind of surprised MU made the tournament. Apparently Marquette has 3 top 100 recruits for next year and 2 are from Wisconsin.
Wade, you familiar with the recruiting scene for women's volleyball in Wisconsin at all? How good are they if you've seen them.
I am not familiar with the girls recruiting scene at all. StillAWarrior might not necessarily know anything about the Marquette commits, but he may have just some general knowledge on girls college recruiting that I would not. One of (maybe the only?) the women's team's volunteer assistant(s) used to coach at Lightning/currently coaches the Sting boys 18s team (they added a program when Lightning decided to shut down, and their 18s team should be solid...it's a group that took 1st at 13s, 5th at 14s, 3rd at 15s, and 9th at 16s with Lightning and then took 5th at 17s in their first year with Sting last year...#1 recruit in the country who unfortunately goes to Watertown High School - they don't have a boys volleyball program. A legit 7' who has had a starting college level block since he was 16...was the only 17 year old to make the Youth National team 2 summers ago and started for that team, then made it again this past summer and was named the best blocker for the international tournament. Heading to UC Irvine, where his sister is married to the head coach. His sister played at Iowa State and his other sister is currently a sophomore playing at Illinois. They also have a 6'8" RS who UCLA and other West Coast schools really wanted, but he chose Ball State...woof). I'll have to see what he says about MU's incoming recruiting class.
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I am not familiar with the girls recruiting scene at all. StillAWarrior might not necessarily know anything about the Marquette commits, but he may have just some general knowledge on girls college recruiting that I would not.
Here's what I found. Four recruits:
Allie Barber - 6'4" MB (Cedarburg, WI) (Milwaukee Sting)
- PrepVB Senior Ace (No. 45)
- PrepVB Club All-American (1st Team)
- Sting finished season ranked No. 7 in PrepVB rankings
- Sting finished 5th at AAU Nationals
- All-American at AAU Nationals
Madeline Mosher - 6'0" OH (Waterloo, WI) (Milwaukee Sting)
- PrepVB Senior Ace (No. 85)
- One of 41 finalists for PrepVB National Junior of the year
- Sting finished season ranked No. 7 in PrepVB rankings
- Sting finished 5th at AAU Nationals
Taylor Murata - 5'5" L (Arlington, TX) (TAV)
- PrepVB Senior Ace (101-250)
- TAV finished season ranked No. 3 in PrepVB rankings
- TAV finished 3rd at USAV Nationals
Lauren Speckman - 5'10" S (San Jose, CA) (Vision)
- PrepVB Senior Ace (No. 75)
- Played 18s in 2015
- Vision finished season ranked No. 6 in PrepVB rankings
- Vision finished 14th at USAV Nationals
I focused on PrepVB because I figured it's harder to get at because it's behind a paywall. I'm sure most of them have a bunch of honors based on HS ball in their home states...but I figured others could find that as easily as I can.
I spend the vast majority of my time watching the class of 2017, and not 2016, so I don't have any first-hand knowledge of these girls (although the 17s team (i.e., 2016) from my daughter's club did win AAU Nationals, knocking Milwaukee Sting out of that tournament). The 2017 MB from Stl CYC is a very nice player. I would have loved for my daughter to have a shot at Marquette, but she was the wrong year for them so never even got out of the gate. It's looking like she might have a chance to play at the Al once a year, but sadly not 15-20 times.
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Taylor Louis broke Autumn Bailey's single season kill record today. Not going to lie, I am very surprised that she turned out to be a very good player. Must have worked extremely hard from high school to college. Good for her. Go Vikings.
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Looks like Minnesota knocked off the ladies. MU won the first match against UNI a few days ago, and then lost to Minnesota in 3 straight yesterday.
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Wow. Shane Davis leaving the Loyola job for the Northwestern women's team. Just, wow.
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Wow. Shane Davis leaving the Loyola job for the Northwestern women's team. Just, wow.
Yup. Smart career move. Will be interesting to see how he does on the woman's side. Obviously he wanted to stay in the area so limited options, but that'll be a tough place to have success.
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Yup. Smart career move. Will be interesting to see how he does on the woman's side. Obviously he wanted to stay in the area so limited options, but that'll be a tough place to have success.
It'll be very interesting to see how it works out. Obviously, Davis can coach. But coaching -- and recruiting -- in the women's game is different. I suspect he'll do a nice job, but he's stepping into a very competitive conference and will be facing some of the game's best coaches night in and night out.
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Also didn't realize Jaeshke left a year early to go pro. Tough to lose 2 outsides in one year. Especially when you don't expect to lose your all american.
Anyone know anything about Hulse? Wade, I know you know Hutz, has he said anything?
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Also didn't realize Jaeshke left a year early to go pro. Tough to lose 2 outsides in one year. Especially when you don't expect to lose your all american.
Anyone know anything about Hulse? Wade, I know you know Hutz, has he said anything?
I have met Hulse. He will be able to recruit, with ties to the West Coast (played at Pepperdine) and the Midwest (from Chicago I believe and obviously has been at Loyola). Loyola's coaching staff has always done it differently from the West Coast schools, which can be a good thing and can be a bad thing. Obviously, you can't argue with what they've done the past few years. I don't think you'll see much in terms of changes in philosophies. It will come down to whether or not players like Jaeshke can develop as much as they did the past few years.
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Well, so far I'm 0-2 in getting my kids to go to Marquette. But, my oldest daughter will be playing volleyball at Marquette...once each year. I'm very excited that earlier this afternoon she verballed to Georgetown. It'll be an interesting experience for me to root against Marquette, but I'll adjust (in volleyball only).
My apologies for the gratuitous proud parent post.
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Well, so far I'm 0-2 in getting my kids to go to Marquette. But, my oldest daughter will be playing volleyball at Marquette...once each year. I'm very excited that earlier this afternoon she verballed to Georgetown. It'll be an interesting experience for me to root against Marquette, but I'll adjust (in volleyball only).
My apologies for the gratuitous proud parent post.
Congrats! She chose the wrong Jesuit institution but that's okay. Sure it helps dad's pocket book at least. How's Georgetown looking? I think MU beat them all 8 times my 4 years there.
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Congrats! She chose the wrong Jesuit institution but that's okay. Sure it helps dad's pocket book at least. How's Georgetown looking? I think MU beat them all 8 times my 4 years there.
Thank you.
She looked at Marquette, but she was "off-year" for them (i.e., their setters are even years). Georgetown has some work to do, and obviously we're hoping that they're heading in the right direction and she can be a part of that. They finished near the bottom of the Big East last year, but were very young (playing 1 senior; 1 junior; 1 sophomore transfer; and 8 frosh -- only two players returning from the previous year). They had four freshman, a senior and a junior starting, and the libero also was a freshman. They had the same record as the prior year when they had a much more experienced team. We'll definitely be watching very closely this next year and really hope they make strides. The conference was bunched up in the middle, so hopefully they can crack into that group. Then, further strides into the conference tournament and -- hopefully -- the NCAAs. That's a tough hill to climb.
Ultimately, volleyball wasn't her primary factor. She had some other options (including another that is higher up in the BEast), but the combination of academics and volleyball at Georgetown was compelling. And, added to the mix was the memory of visiting Georgetown with her older brother when she was 14 and telling me, "Someday I'm going to play volleyball here." After a lot of hard work, yesterday she saw her dream come true.
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Well, so far I'm 0-2 in getting my kids to go to Marquette. But, my oldest daughter will be playing volleyball at Marquette...once each year. I'm very excited that earlier this afternoon she verballed to Georgetown. It'll be an interesting experience for me to root against Marquette, but I'll adjust (in volleyball only).
My apologies for the gratuitous proud parent post.
Hey, it's not too late! She could always pull a Vander...
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Hey, it's not too late! She could always pull a Vander...
LOL. I'm not sure I see that happening. For starters, someone would have to get "Creaned," "Buzz Cut," etc. After being involved in this process for the last couple years, I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Second, as the process wore on, she developed some very specific geographical preferences that narrowed things down pretty much to DC, NYC, Philly and Boston.
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Well, so far I'm 0-2 in getting my kids to go to Marquette. But, my oldest daughter will be playing volleyball at Marquette...once each year. I'm very excited that earlier this afternoon she verballed to Georgetown. It'll be an interesting experience for me to root against Marquette, but I'll adjust (in volleyball only).
My apologies for the gratuitous proud parent post.
Congrats!
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One of the Marquette coaches (either Theis or Hinterstocker) was at my daughter's club in Cleveland last night watching the 16s and 17s. Absolutely no idea who he was there to see.
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Proud papa tonight.
My son served 24 straight points as his high school varsity team won 25-1. After trailing 1-0, the team sideout to tie 1-1. Then he started serving...24 straight points. Set a school record and the coaches were submitting to California Interscholastic Federation to see if it is a regional or state record. Whole thing captured on video. Never seen anything like it. First set was 25-17, so the second game was a complete surprise. His team is ranked 9th in CIF Southern Section.
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Proud papa tonight.
My son served 24 straight points as his high school varsity team won 25-1. After trailing 1-0, the team sideout to tie 1-1. Then he started serving...24 straight points. Set a school record and the coaches were submitting to California Interscholastic Federation to see if it is a regional or state record. Whole thing captured on video. Never seen anything like it. First set was 25-17, so the second game was a complete surprise. His team is ranked 9th in CIF Southern Section.
Link to the video? Curious to see if it's bad passing, bad attack or just great blocking/defense and obviously serving. PM me if you don't want it out in the open.
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Link to the video? Curious to see if it's bad passing, bad attack or just great blocking/defense and obviously serving. PM me if you don't want it out in the open.
My son's coach has the video. I'm heading out there now for day two of the tournament. He's going to give me the video, but to answer your question....a combination of aces, good defense, poor passing, etc.
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Been there, JD. Nothin' better than seein' the younguns succeed on and off the playin' field, court, course, or ice. Congrats kin, hey?
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Been there, JD. Nothin' better than seein' the younguns succeed on and off the playin' field, court, course, or ice. Congrats kin, hey?
It was a lot of fun. Came back down to earth yesterday. His team was tied 25-25 and he was serving....service error and they lost 25-27. He was bummed, to be sure. Volleyball is his hobby sport, he's only been playing a few years where he excels as a soccer goalkeeper. In a twisted bit of irony, however, he likes volleyball much more than soccer. Fun times.
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Proud papa tonight.
My son served 24 straight points as his high school varsity team won 25-1. After trailing 1-0, the team sideout to tie 1-1. Then he started serving...24 straight points. Set a school record and the coaches were submitting to California Interscholastic Federation to see if it is a regional or state record. Whole thing captured on video. Never seen anything like it. First set was 25-17, so the second game was a complete surprise. His team is ranked 9th in CIF Southern Section.
Congrats, Chico. That's awesome.
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Proud papa tonight.
My son served 24 straight points as his high school varsity team won 25-1. After trailing 1-0, the team sideout to tie 1-1. Then he started serving...24 straight points. Set a school record and the coaches were submitting to California Interscholastic Federation to see if it is a regional or state record. Whole thing captured on video. Never seen anything like it. First set was 25-17, so the second game was a complete surprise. His team is ranked 9th in CIF Southern Section.
Nice. Congrats!
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Funny volleyball story (to me at least) with a bit of a Marquette tie-in. My daughter played in the Mideast Qualifier in Indianapolis this past weekend. For those of you who have been to one of those, you know what it's like and the number of college coaches that are there. It was thick with them -- hundreds. One website that lists these things says 255 schools had coaches there, and most schools had several (and that site only lists those who buy/use their software).
Many of the coaches wear quarter-zips that have the school logo on them -- it's kind of the unofficial uniform. On Saturday I was wearing a quarter-zip with my son's high school football logo. I've noticed before that people glance at it out of the side of their eye to see where I'm from (just like I glance at the college coaches'). Invariably they appear slightly disappointed/annoyed when they realize I'm just some schmuck wearing a HS football pullover and not a college volleyball coach.
Anyway...Saturday morning I was eating breakfast in the lounge at the hotel. It was crowded and I was sitting alone. Since there were no tables open, someone approached me and said, "Do you mind if we join you, Coach?" I looked up and it was Bond Shymansky. I didn't immediately process the "coach" part of the question, so I said "sure" and we introduced ourselves. As soon as he walked away to get breakfast, I realized, "Oh crap...he thinks I'm a coach because of the shirt." I heard him tell two women, "We're joining Rob over there." They were coaches from Georgia State. When they all came over and sat down, the two women from Georgia State asked who I was with and I said explained that I was a parent, and not a coach. Bond asked, "do you have a daughter that plays?" I said I did, and he said, "well then you're a coach."
So, due to NCAA regulations, we chatted about Marquette, the basketball tournament, college wresting, Dan Gable, etc. He and the two Georgia State coaches couldn't have been more gracious because I'm sure they didn't want to sit with some player's dad -- that's why he asked to join me thinking I was a coach. I'm sure it was a lot funnier to me than it was to them.
PS - Proud papa moment for me too as my daughter's team punched their ticket for 17 Open at Nationals this summer.
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Bond was a good dude, his son would always sit with us in the student section for volleyball games.
I was thinking today how different the NCAA tourney is for basketball and volleyball. There's hardly any major upsets in volleyball. If you play a crappy set you can just forget about it and win the next 3 going away. Unfortunately that's how I kinda see the marquette program, good enough to make the tournament every year and win a game. But not good enough to knock off the seeded teams to make it to a S16 or further.
Anyways, my first game coaching is tomorrow and my number 1 outside is ineligible, my starting libero missed the last 3 practices because he was in canada so he's not playing, and my number 1 middle missed last practice without an excuse and has an attitude problem so he's benched as well. Wish me luck...
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Adding another proud papa moment by linking to PrepVolleyball.com's latest tweet (https://twitter.com/PrepVolleyball/status/712414567951769600). Thank goodness she favors her mother.
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Anyways, my first game coaching is tomorrow and my number 1 outside is ineligible, my starting libero missed the last 3 practices because he was in canada so he's not playing, and my number 1 middle missed last practice without an excuse and has an attitude problem so he's benched as well. Wish me luck...
How'd it go? Sounded like you had your work cut out for you.
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How'd it go? Sounded like you had your work cut out for you.
Not great. First game was dreadful, 2nd game was a little more competetive. I get my libero and middle, back for Thursdays match though.
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I'm going to see #2 UCLA play at #4 Long Beach State tonight. Should be a great match.
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I'm going to see #2 UCLA play at #4 Long Beach State tonight. Should be a great match.
That will be great. I'll be watching on my computer while watching the end of the Kansas/Nova game. Ma'a is a special, special player. Really unique system that UCLA runs with a true 6-2. Rarely see that in the college game. They pursue balls better than any college team I can remember. Need clean kills or the ball's coming back to your side against them.
LBSU is a bunch of clowns. Starts from the top and goes all the way down to the players. Also goes down to the club they run. But extremely talented freshmen on that team.
Really a shame that only 3 MPSF teams can go to the NCAA Tournament. The top 4 teams have clearly separated themselves from the rest of the pack in the MPSF and one of BYU, Stanford, UCLA, and LBSU won't make it. My guess is BYU and LBSU are safely in. Will come down to UCLA and Stanford, who still play at UCLA this year. The MPSF better hopes Ohio State doesn't get upset in the conference tournament or else they'll get an at large and the MPSF is down to 3 teams in.
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That will be great. I'll be watching on my computer while watching the end of the Kansas/Nova game. Ma'a is a special, special player. Really unique system that UCLA runs with a true 6-2. Rarely see that in the college game. They pursue balls better than any college team I can remember. Need clean kills or the ball's coming back to your side against them.
LBSU is a bunch of clowns. Starts from the top and goes all the way down to the players. Also goes down to the club they run. But extremely talented freshmen on that team.
Really a shame that only 3 MPSF teams can go to the NCAA Tournament. The top 4 teams have clearly separated themselves from the rest of the pack in the MPSF and one of BYU, Stanford, UCLA, and LBSU won't make it. My guess is BYU and LBSU are safely in. Will come down to UCLA and Stanford, who still play at UCLA this year. The MPSF better hopes Ohio State doesn't get upset in the conference tournament or else they'll get an at large and the MPSF is down to 3 teams in.
I hate how the NCAA volleyball tournament is run, but it is what it is.
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I hate how the NCAA volleyball tournament is run, but it is what it is.
Ehh. Tough to fix it with so few teams. Just stinks particularly this year. Typically 2 teams separate themselves in the MPSF which is fine because they can both get in. This year it's 4 so at least one is left out.
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I hope you saw that point in the third set 22-17...amazing
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I hope you saw that point in the third set 22-17...amazing
The kick save for a point? I wasn't kidding when I said UCLA pursues EVERYTHING. Crazy. Classic LBSU to just assume they're so good that nobody could return that point. Awesome.
I know the UCLA coaches well and my cousin is the registered dietitian at UCLA, so when she came home for Christmas she had 2 sweet UCLA volleyball shirts from them for me for Chirstmas. Pretty cool of them.
Looked like UCLA must've played really well.
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The kick save for a point? I wasn't kidding when I said UCLA pursues EVERYTHING. Crazy. Classic LBSU to just assume they're so good that nobody could return that point. Awesome.
I know the UCLA coaches well and my cousin is the registered dietitian at UCLA, so when she came home for Christmas she had 2 sweet UCLA volleyball shirts from them for me for Chirstmas. Pretty cool of them.
Looked like UCLA must've played really well.
Yes, that was the point. My son has done some similar things to keep points alive, especially with his soccer background, but I've never seen one that actually went over the next for a winner.
UCLA played pretty well, though a lot of service errors by both teams. I though Mah was a little off...made a number of service errors and his spikes were blocked quite a bit. Obviously he's a setter, and he does well there. We are going to the BYU UCLA game this weekend.
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/volleyball-player-takes-repeated-shots-to-the-face-byutv-video
LOL
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Anyone know when the national team rosters are gonna be released for the Olympics?
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Great match just starting with Stanford at UCLA. On Pac-12 Bay Area (can view it online with your cable login). For those with Pac-12 Network on their cable they are showing it on delay tonight at midnight (Central). Stanford won at home earlier in the season 3-1. They are tied for first (and have the tiebreak) with BYU in the MPSF, and UCLA is tied for 3rd.
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Just saw this today...
Sarah Rose ( 2017 S 5-8 Elmhurst, Illinois)~~Marquette(DI in Wisconsin) Big East Conference
Club: 1st Alliance / Lions Jrs
High School: York Community
Other Big East Recruits
http://www.richkern.com/vb/recruits/conf.asp?Div=DI&VBYear=2017&conf=Big+East
I was surprised to see it because Marquette hadn't been recruiting a '17 setter. They have a very strong '16 setter coming in next year (Lauren Speckman), and it's unusual to have setters in two consecutive classes. Anyone now what's up?
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Just saw this today...
Sarah Rose ( 2017 S 5-8 Elmhurst, Illinois)~~Marquette(DI in Wisconsin) Big East Conference
Club: 1st Alliance / Lions Jrs
High School: York Community
Other Big East Recruits
http://www.richkern.com/vb/recruits/conf.asp?Div=DI&VBYear=2017&conf=Big+East
I was surprised to see it because Marquette hadn't been recruiting a '17 setter. They have a very strong '16 setter coming in next year (Lauren Speckman), and it's unusual to have setters in two consecutive classes. Anyone now what's up?
I'm in the "you can never have too many quality setters" camp. (as well as back row players) if you remember, marquette got screwed a couple years ago right after Koberstein graduated and before Blasier got here due to transfers and setters being ineligible. Don't get me wrong, Mary Nilles was a nice person but not a D1 quality setter.
Also, the same thing is happening to a high scool around me. They pretty much returned everyone except their libero and D1 setter but are really struggling this year. Maybe as a former setter I'm a little biased but always load up on setters and DS.
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I'm in the "you can never have too many quality setters" camp. (as well as back row players) if you remember, marquette got screwed a couple years ago right after Koberstein graduated and before Blasier got here due to transfers and setters being ineligible. Don't get me wrong, Mary Nilles was a nice person but not a D1 quality setter.
Also, the same thing is happening to a high scool around me. They pretty much returned everyone except their libero and D1 setter but are really struggling this year. Maybe as a former setter I'm a little biased but always load up on setters and DS.
I share your bias, but that doesn't make it any less unusual. It's a numbers game -- with only 12 scholarships to give, most programs will only use two on setters -- typically every other year. But they may be making an exception, or perhaps one is walking on.
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Interesting, if you believe in GMS they'll tell you setter is the least important position on a volleyball roster (or maybe it's 2nd behind MB, can't remember for sure).
I like GMS a lot but don't consider it gospel. But I don't necessarily disagree with the principal.
Serve and pass game.
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Interesting, if you believe in GMS they'll tell you setter is the least important position on a volleyball roster (or maybe it's 2nd behind MB, can't remember for sure).
I like GMS a lot but don't consider it gospel. But I don't necessarily disagree with the principal.
Serve and pass game.
I guess I can see that at a high level of play. Though you know Dante, New Trier is struggling without him.
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I guess I can see that at a high level of play. Though you know Dante, New Trier is struggling without him.
And UCI is struggling with him ;)
But in reality, while I'm not sure where I'd rank the setter in terms of importance to a team, I think the principle certainly holds true. If you pass well enough you can find any schmuck and teach him to run to an area on the court, coach him up on how to set a volleyball and get good footwork, and it's not all that hard to look like a good setter. Conversely, if you're running all over the court chasing bad passes around, even teams with the best setters in the world will struggle to win matches.
So I guess you look at if you have 2 really good passing OH's and a really good passing L, you can take an average S and make him look really good by simply making his life easy. If you take 2 bad passing but great offensive OHs and a bad passing L and give them the best setter at whatever level of competition, the S can throw up some pretty outside bailout sets, but that's what they are...bailout sets where the opposing team can set up a double/triple (suppose it depends on the level of skill of the players) block and play defense around them. The best hitters in the world will struggle with that.
I do think GMS differentiated based on the boys vs. girls game, with defense and ball control being more important on the girls side and terminating the ball being more important on the boys side. I'm pretty sure the 2 OHs were listed top 2 for both, which I would definitely agree with. They are big on "take your best athletes/terminators and make them into passers and put them at OH." It's why almost all big athletic SoCal kids who would be in the middle in the Midwest are all on the OH in SoCal, and why you see so many 6'4" middles who just move quickly pin to pin, and also why you see so many MBs from the Midwest go out West for college (because the Midwest tends to keep their giant athletes in the middle).
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The NCAA Men's Volleyball semifinals are going on right now. Semis are streamed live at the link below and the finals will be on Saturday at 7 CT on ESPN2.
http://www.ncaa.com/championship/liveplayer/player?gameId=2030822
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Craziest season ever for the varsity team at the school I coach the freshman for. They have had more 6 packs this season then they have in the past decade that I've watched them.
They have a legit 6'9" middle and last game he gave the othe teams middle a concussion when he went up to block him and broke another kids nose off the block. The other middle took out a kid on the same team, after the game he was puking in the corner. But my favorite one was from a 5'8" outside. The other team didn't block line and he got their right back square in the face. He didn't come out but you could tell he wasn't all there.
Obviously sucks for the kids who got hurt but there have been some pretty incredible swings.
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Craziest season ever for the varsity team at the school I coach the freshman for. They have had more 6 packs this season then they have in the past decade that I've watched them.
They have a legit 6'9" middle and last game he gave the othe teams middle a concussion when he went up to block him and broke another kids nose off the block. The other middle took out a kid on the same team, after the game he was puking in the corner. But my favorite one was from a 5'8" outside. The other team didn't block line and he got their right back square in the face. He didn't come out but you could tell he wasn't all there.
Obviously sucks for the kids who got hurt but there have been some pretty incredible swings.
Sounds like some athletes on the team. Are they seniors? Play club?
As far as the NCAA Tournament goes, the UCLA vs. OSU match was really good. I thought UCLA might struggle with OSU but thought they'd pull out the win, but OSU is tough. They run everything through the pins, and UCLA's pins go 6' and 6'4" on the right and 6'2" and 6'7" on the left. Pretty dang small for a high major program. Scherzens (not sure how to spell the name) is legit and him and Patch are going to have some pretty great battles for National Player of the Year for the next few years (Scherzens got it this year).
I don't see OSU beating BYU, but I do think they'll have a better chance than UCLA would've. BYU went 3-0 this year against UCLA, and none were all that close. BYU is just too big and athletic for UCLA. OSU beat LBSU at LBSU and just beat UCLA this season, so we'll see what they can do.
Patch is just so tough right now. If he can get any kind of defense down and get a little more fundamental the pin hitters coming up for the National team are going to be scary. Even if Anderson were to retire or decline in production, you'd still have Sander and Russell on the OH with Jaeshke as a backup and DeFalco coming up and Patch on the RS. If Anderson does continue to produce for another Olympics or 2 beyond 2016, then it's even more absurd. Anderson, Russell, Sander, Jaeshke, DeFalco on the OH, Patch (or Anderson can move back here if Patch can't play defense) on the RS, Micah setting, and Holt in the middle and you have what could turn into the best in the world at a lot of different positions.
I really like Enriques coming up as a libero at Stanford and Ma'a just as an all around volleyball player. Wish Shaw was mentally tougher as he physically has the tools to be every bit as good as Micah. As it is you might take Ma'a down the road as a setter over Shaw if Shaw can't figure it out mentally.
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The 6'9" middle are both juniors and everyone else is a senior. They have a stud libero who is actually probably the best player on the team. Last year's team was actually much better but the middle is a weapon theyve never had, he played right side last year because he was too slow, quickened up A LOT.
I don't know why, but I've never been overly impressed with Sander, maybe I've just seen his off games. All their outsides are really young which is nice and Anderson is still producing. Definitely need another middle though, Holt is good but that's about all they have. I don't pay attention to West Coast volleyball so there may be some good middles out there at all but I feel like Jendryk from Loyola could become a middle for the US eventually.
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The 6'9" middle are both juniors and everyone else is a senior. They have a stud libero who is actually probably the best player on the team. Last year's team was actually much better but the middle is a weapon theyve never had, he played right side last year because he was too slow, quickened up A LOT.
I don't know why, but I've never been overly impressed with Sander, maybe I've just seen his off games. All their outsides are really young which is nice and Anderson is still producing. Definitely need another middle though, Holt is good but that's about all they have. I don't pay attention to West Coast volleyball so there may be some good middles out there at all but I feel like Jendryk from Loyola could become a middle for the US eventually.
Very nice.
Sander is legit. His arm speed is very impressive. Holt is my favorite volleyball player to watch. Not sure what they'll do with the rest of the middles. Jendryk will get looks but defensively he's really poor and offensively he's not fundamental but gets it done. If you could give Olson Jendryk's athleticism you'd be set there. Further down the line Scott Stadick from Watertown, WI will get there someday. I coached him when he was a roughly 6'8" 14 year old. He's the top rated recruit in the senior class. He made Youth National a year younger than the rest of the team and started. Last summer he was named the Best Blocker at the Youth National's word tournament. Going to UCI so we'll see if he gets the coaching he needs to keep up. Some decent middles who graduated within the last 2 years but none overly impressive. Conrad Kaminsky will probably get in the gym to train with them. Stanford senior this year and 1st Team AA from New Berlin, WI. He played 16-2s at North Shore his 16s year then made our 17s group as a backup to Olson and Kirchner, beat out Kirchner for the starting spot his 18s year, got into Stanford and walked on to the volleyball team and is now the top MH in the country. Great kid, hard worker, and incredibly smart. Mechanical engineer who interned at Tesla last summer. Must be nice.
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My son's team made CIF playoffs. Four hour drive to the first game on Tuesday night against a high school basically on the beach...ranked 7th. Son's team is ranked 20th. Should be fun, but that's tough to sit in a bus that long, then play all while also taking AP exams next week.
If they win and advance a few rounds, could play a newer high school called...... Crean Lutheran.
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OSU crushes BYU. A little surprised.
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OSU crushes BYU. A little surprised.
Mental midgets. They always find a way to not get it done.
MIVA has now won 3 straight titles and 4 of the last 6. Only one MPSF school has won a title in the last 6 years. 1 set win in a national title in the last 3 years for the MIVA. West Coast/MPSF fans' heads have to be exploding now.
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Mental midgets. They always find a way to not get it done.
MIVA has now won 3 straight titles and 4 of the last 6. Only one MPSF school has won a title in the last 6 years. 1 set win in a national title in the last 3 years for the MIVA. West Coast/MPSF fans' heads have to be exploding now.
Hmm....well UC Irvine, right down the road from me, won in 2009, 2012, 2013 and they are from the MPSF.
Also, I would look at the rosters and who else is getting that far.
7 OSU players from California. 8 total from west coast...just won the championship. UCLA in the final four along with Long Beach. In the last few years, USC, UCSB, Stanford, BYU....tons of west coast players.
Some years not so much....Loyola certainly had some key players from out here, but plenty of mix from other states. Lewis had a ton of midwest kids, but they have been the exception.
US men's national team....dominated by Californians...one local for us in Paul Lotman...from about 2 miles from where we live.
Case in point, my son's high school team is ranked something like 90th in the state and 145 nationally. Think about that...in the other 49 states only 55 teams in TOTAL are considered better....or about 1 team per state. That's pretty crazy.
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Hmm....well UC Irvine, right down the road from me, won in 2009, 2012, 2013 and they are from the MPSF.
Also, I would look at the rosters and who else is getting that far.
7 OSU players from California. 8 total from west coast...just won the championship. UCLA in the final four along with Long Beach. In the last few years, USC, UCSB, Stanford, BYU....tons of west coast players.
Some years not so much....Loyola certainly had some key players from out here, but plenty of mix from other states. Lewis had a ton of midwest kids, but they have been the exception.
US men's national team....dominated by Californians...one local for us in Paul Lotman...from about 2 miles from where we live.
Case in point, my son's high school team is ranked something like 90th in the state and 145 nationally. Think about that...in the other 49 states only 55 teams in TOTAL are considered better....or about 1 team per state. That's pretty crazy.
Just go check out Volleytalk. The talk for the past 3 years was "just wait for Loyola's guys to be gone and things will be back to normal and the MPSF will dominate!" That was supposed to be this year, all the talk throughout the year was how bad the MIVA was...and yet there's the MIVA with their 3rd straight title.
Pointing out Final Four appearances doesn't take much. You get 2 conferences that are even considered for the 2 at large births, and the team that matches up with the Coastal Carolinas in the play in is going to move on to the Final Four.
Of course the West Coast is going to have tons of players representing them at the highest level. There are literally about 100 boys volleyball players in CA to every 1 boys volleyball player from any other state. Which is what makes what the MIVA has done to close the gap on the MPSF pretty remarkable.
As far as high school national rankings, when you consider that there are probably single digit schools in FL, MO, and OH and then maybe 40? Teams from IL that are considered in these rankings (WI, TX, and NY high school seasons are in the fall so don't get ranked) then it makes complete sense that very few teams outside of CA get ranked...there are probably 60 teams total outside of CA that have varsity boys high school volleyball programs. There are hundreds of teams in CA alone. Once again, just makes the competitiveness of the MIVA recently to be incredible.
CA, especially Southern, is the epicenter of men's volleyball. But seeing as there was a total of 1 National Title in the last 20+ years of college volleyball from outside of the MPSF until 6 years ago, the fact that 4 of the last 6 titles have gone to the MIVA is pretty dang impressive. There have been a total of 0 Southern California teams in the national championship match since UCI repeated. You would've never seen even 2 years in a row without a Southern California college in the finals even just 5 years ago.
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You do agree that 1 of the last 6 was incorrect...yes?
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You do agree that 1 of the last 6 was incorrect...yes?
No. The same MPSF school won the title twice. So one MPSF school has won a national title in the past 6 years, which is exactly what I said.
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No. The same MPSF school won the title twice. So one MPSF school has won a national title in the past 6 years, which is exactly what I said.
Ok.
Well I read it a lot differently.
At any rate, congrats to OSU, caught BYU on a bad night for sure, but that's sports. I'm sure the 20 or so Californians that played in the game tonight will be back here playing during the Summer. The competitions out here are insane.
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As far as high school national rankings, when you consider that there are probably single digit schools in FL, MO, and OH and then maybe 40? Teams from IL that are considered in these rankings (WI, TX, and NY high school seasons are in the fall so don't get ranked) then it makes complete sense that very few teams outside of CA get ranked...there are probably 60 teams total outside of CA that have varsity boys high school volleyball programs. There are hundreds of teams in CA alone. Once again, just makes the competitiveness of the MIVA recently to be incredible.
Confused by that paragraph Wade. You say Illinois has 40 schools in the national rankings but there are only 60 total men's varsity teams outside Cali? Just looking for some clarification not an argument because I know there are at least 150 teams in Illinois.
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Confused by that paragraph Wade. You say Illinois has 40 schools in the national rankings but there are only 60 total men's varsity teams outside Cali? Just looking for some clarification not an argument because I know there are at least 150 teams in Illinois.
I meant 40 total teams in the state of IL, not in the national rankings. Total stab in the dark guess there. My overall point is that if you take just southern CA alone and combine all the rest of the country (even giving northern CA to "the rest of the country") the number of high school teams in SoCal would still FAR outweigh the number of high school teams in "the rest of the country."
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I meant 40 total teams in the state of IL, not in the national rankings. Total stab in the dark guess there. My overall point is that if you take just southern CA alone and combine all the rest of the country (even giving northern CA to "the rest of the country") the number of high school teams in SoCal would still FAR outweigh the number of high school teams in "the rest of the country."
Oh yea, absolutely. Even in Illinois there are a ton of men's volleyball teams (199 teams in the stste tournament this year) but it's saturated in chicago and chicago suburbs. Once you go south or west of Naperville ish area there's nothing. Also take out all the city schools that absolutely suck and the far suburban schools and you probably have close to 50 teams that would have a legitimate shot to win a regional.
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End of the day, there have been 45 NCAA champions. 87% went to MPSF schools. When you factor in the Final Fours, it is closer to 95%
In the last 6 years, 3 to MPSF, 3 elsewhere. I would call last night a big upset and most of the experts in college volleyball would, too. UCLA should have beaten OSU, but the didn't. BYU has owned UCLA all year. Kudos to OSU, they played well last night, but I honestly felt it was more BYU playing poorly than the other way around. The first set was fantastic volleyball by both sides. The last two....eh.
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End of the day, there have been 45 NCAA champions. 87% went to MPSF schools. When you factor in the Final Fours, it is closer to 95%
In the last 6 years, 3 to MPSF, 3 elsewhere. I would call last night a big upset and most of the experts in college volleyball would, too. UCLA should have beaten OSU, but the didn't. BYU has owned UCLA all year. Kudos to OSU, they played well last night, but I honestly felt it was more BYU playing poorly than the other way around. The first set was fantastic volleyball by both sides. The last two....eh.
You might want to check the last 6 years. OSU, UCI, UCI, Loyola, Loyola, OSU (in order of oldest to newest) are the last 6 national titles. 4 to the MIVA (2 Loyola, 2 OSU = 4 total), 2 to the MPSF (2 UCI = 2 total), 0 elsewhere.
People thought that BYU was better because BYU owned what everyone thought was the best conference in the country, but maybe it wasn't.
Ohio State lost 2 matches all season. They played each of the top 3 teams in the MPSF, 2 on neutral courts and 1 as a true road match. They went 3-0. Both their losses came to MIVA teams. They swept BYU. To claim BYU was better is just flat out ignorant, especially when the 3rd set was 25-17. That's like a high school team beating a team 25-7. Ohio State ended the season on what, a 21 match winning streak or something? And again, 3 of those were against the teams that finished 1-3 in the MPSF. Clearly one team was the best in the country, and for the 3rd straight year that team was from the MIVA.
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You might want to check the last 6 years. OSU, UCI, UCI, Loyola, Loyola, OSU (in order of oldest to newest) are the last 6 national titles. 4 to the MIVA (2 Loyola, 2 OSU = 4 total), 2 to the MPSF (2 UCI = 2 total), 0 elsewhere.
People thought that BYU was better because BYU owned what everyone thought was the best conference in the country, but maybe it wasn't.
Ohio State lost 2 matches all season. They played each of the top 3 teams in the MPSF, 2 on neutral courts and 1 as a true road match. They went 3-0. Both their losses came to MIVA teams. They swept BYU. To claim BYU was better is just flat out ignorant, especially when the 3rd set was 25-17. That's like a high school team beating a team 25-7. Ohio State ended the season on what, a 21 match winning streak or something? And again, 3 of those were against the teams that finished 1-3 in the MPSF. Clearly one team was the best in the country, and for the 3rd straight year that team was from the MIVA.
Thank you for the correction. OSU, with California dominated players, won this year. Last 22 years, that's 15 for the MPSF, and 5 for everyone else, and two vacancies. Winning a tournament doesn't always mean you are the best. MU beat #1 Denver yesterday in LaCrosse. Those teams play 10 times, Denver wins 8 or 9 of them. That's the beauty of college sports and one match games.
OSU's losses this year were to whom? UCLA was one of them. I think Ball State the other. One could argue UCLA screwed the pooch against them in the semis, but OSU won in 5 sets.
BYU was considered the best team in the country, and there was nothing ignorant about it.
As for which league was better....really? I look at the top 8 teams and 7 are from the MPSF. I look at the RPI, and 5 of the top 6 from the MPSF.
Maybe we should have a NCAA tournament in the future we don't have 6 teams playing, but actually have 16. That would be fun. I wonder which league would dominate? :o
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Thank you for the correction. OSU, with California dominated players, won this year. Last 22 years, that's 15 for the MPSF, and 5 for everyone else, and two vacancies. Winning a tournament doesn't always mean you are the best. MU beat #1 Denver yesterday in LaCrosse. Those teams play 10 times, Denver wins 8 or 9 of them. That's the beauty of college sports and one match games.
OSU's losses this year were to whom? UCLA was one of them. I think Ball State the other. One could argue UCLA screwed the pooch against them in the semis, but OSU won in 5 sets.
BYU was considered the best team in the country, and there was nothing ignorant about it.
As for which league was better....really? I look at the top 8 teams and 7 are from the MPSF. I look at the RPI, and 5 of the top 6 from the MPSF.
Maybe we should have a NCAA tournament in the future we don't have 6 teams playing, but actually have 16. That would be fun. I wonder which league would dominate? :o
Standard SoCal. Can't face the fact that someone outside of the epicenter of volleyball in the country is having success.
I've never been arguing that Southern California doesn't produce the best volleyball in the country. My point has been, and remains, and is true, that it is pretty dang impressive that the MIVA has produced the national champion in men's volleyball in 4 of the last 6 years. I don't care where the players come from. I don't give the B1G credit for the NCAA Men's basketball national championship because 4 of Villinova's 5 starters were from Big 10 country. That would be absolutely absurd. The coach needs to recruit the players to the school. That is the entire point. Just 5 to 10 years ago you would NEVER see top level talent LEAVE the great old Southern California to go play VOLLEYBALL, of all sports, in the Midwest. And the only top level talent that would be produced in the Midwest would ALWAYS head west to play their college volleyball. The gap has been drastically closed in a very quick time period.
Didn't realize that OSU played UCLA in a preseason tournament out in PSU. Congrats to them on winning what teams take as essentially an exhibition game in January.
No, there was nothing ignorant about thinking BYU was the best team in the country going into the national championship. But there certainly is in saying that BYU just didn't play well and it really wasn't to OSU's credit that they won the match. When you get swept, you can't claim, "We're really better, we just played a bad match." If it's a 5 setter that comes down to the wire and you left some points out there, then sure, maybe you just got unlucky, didn't play well, etc. But claiming BYU was the better team and just didn't play well would be like Oklahoma claiming they were the better team but just played 40 bad minutes of basketball against a Nova team that got lucky to play them when they did. That is entirely ignorant. BYU got completely handled by a better team, plain and simple.
Put almost 50% of the entire NCAA into the NCAA Tournament field? No thanks.
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Let's not forget OSU had five transfers from University of the Pacific after they shut down Men's Volleyball when they switched conferences to the WCC. U of P had to add Men's Soccer to fit the new conference profile, which meant the demise of MVB. Quite an infusion of top talent for the Buckeyes.
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Oh cmon guys, this was like the one friendly thread on scoop. Let's not ruin it.
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Standard SoCal. Can't face the fact that someone outside of the epicenter of volleyball in the country is having success.
No problem with it at all. Especially as it gives more So. Cal kids a chance to play elsewhere along with developing the game with midwesterners, etc. The level of play across the country has improved. I'm all for it.
I'm just not going to hide behind the fairy tale of what the front of the jersey says in most years.
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Just 5 to 10 years ago you would NEVER see top level talent LEAVE the great old Southern California to go play VOLLEYBALL, of all sports, in the Midwest. And the only top level talent that would be produced in the Midwest would ALWAYS head west to play their college volleyball. The gap has been drastically closed in a very quick time period.
For those in this thread who follow NCAA volleyball much more closely, what has lead to the gap between MPSF and non-MPSF schools being closed. Sure, some of these non-MPSF schools may have a lot of California transplants, but something has to convince those kids to head East.
I've been a casual fan of NCAA volleyball since I attended the 2008 Pepperdine vs. Penn State championship @ UCI's Bren Events Center. At the time I thought the Penn State win was a fluke, but watching the non-MPSF teams the last few years, MPSF dominance may be more perception than reality now.
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For those in this thread who follow NCAA volleyball much more closely, what has lead to the gap between MPSF and non-MPSF schools being closed. Sure, some of these non-MPSF schools may have a lot of California transplants, but something has to convince those kids to head East.
I've been a casual fan of NCAA volleyball since I attended the 2008 Pepperdine vs. Penn State championship @ UCI's Bren Events Center. At the time I thought the Penn State win was a fluke, but watching the non-MPSF teams the last few years, MPSF dominance may be more perception than reality now.
The sport is growing a lot throughout the country. In Southern California, for as long as I've been around volleyball the sport has been as big as any major sport. Even if you don't play competitively, you still might grab a group of friends and go mess around playing beach volleyball like any group of non-competitive football players might toss around the football at any park in America. Outside of CA, volleyball is a girls sport that you get made fun of for playing if you're a guy until recently.
Coaching outside of CA is getting better. Midwest clubs, schools, etc. are bringing in high level coaching systems and learning them from some of the top coaches in the country. Bigger and better athletes are starting to play volleyball more. The competition is catching up, and what used to be rare top level talent outside of CA always used to head West to play college volleyball. Now there is more top level talent being produced, and a lot of it is starting to remain outside of the MPSF. The growing competitiveness as a result has led to CA kids exploring their options more and some of the top level talent from there have actually, for the first time ever, left the state to play volleyball elsewhere. And recruiting has expanded. Overseas players are now being recruited to all colleges in the USA, and it's helped to close the talent gap, as there is some real talent coming over to the USA and playing (UCI has had a bunch of big time international talent, the NPOY on OSU is from France, etc.).
"Grow the game" has been the motto of men's volleyball for a while, and it's finally becoming a reality.
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For those in this thread who follow NCAA volleyball much more closely, what has lead to the gap between MPSF and non-MPSF schools being closed. Sure, some of these non-MPSF schools may have a lot of California transplants, but something has to convince those kids to head East.
I've been a casual fan of NCAA volleyball since I attended the 2008 Pepperdine vs. Penn State championship @ UCI's Bren Events Center. At the time I thought the Penn State win was a fluke, but watching the non-MPSF teams the last few years, MPSF dominance may be more perception than reality now.
It's definitely not perception, and that is silly. The non-MPSF has had a few good teams each year, but not the top to bottom strenght that the MPSF has. If you look at the power ratings every year about 80% of the top 10 are MPSF schools. Often, the schools that slip in from outside have a heavy California presence of players. Not always...Lewis is an example where that wasn't the case.
As for kids wanting to leave, not surprised. I have a 17 year old in my house that is applying to one California school and 10 non-California schools. A LOT of issues in this state that people aren't crazy with, plus a chance to try something new, etc. So no surprise there.
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Just 5 to 10 years ago you would NEVER see top level talent LEAVE the great old Southern California to go play VOLLEYBALL, of all sports, in the Midwest.
Not exactly true, I can think of several that come to mind.
No, there was nothing ignorant about thinking BYU was the best team in the country going into the national championship. But there certainly is in saying that BYU just didn't play well and it really wasn't to OSU's credit that they won the match. When you get swept, you can't claim, "We're really better, we just played a bad match."
Sure you can and there are examples of it in sports all the time. Earlier this year, Oklahoma beat Villanova in basketball by 30. Then the rematch Villanova beat Oklahoma by 40+. In volleyball, same thing...teams that lost 3-0 and come back to beat the same team later. Kind of silly to suggest otherwise.
Put almost 50% of the entire NCAA into the NCAA Tournament field? No thanks.
There are some amazing teams that could do some significant damage and make a run, that are kept out. Of course, it would be mostly MPSF schools that would make up those spots. ;)
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It's definitely not perception, and that is silly. The non-MPSF has had a few good teams each year, but not the top to bottom strenght that the MPSF has. If you look at the power ratings every year about 80% of the top 10 are MPSF schools. Often, the schools that slip in from outside have a heavy California presence of players. Not always...Lewis is an example where that wasn't the case.
As for kids wanting to leave, not surprised. I have a 17 year old in my house that is applying to one California school and 10 non-California schools. A LOT of issues in this state that people aren't crazy with, plus a chance to try something new, etc. So no surprise there.
Ohio State started 2 California kids out of 6. I get it, you love your SoCal, but the facts here don't add up.
The previous 2 champions started 1 kid from SoCal, and he was the worst player in their starting lineup. Again, you love your SoCal, but you're making up a narrative that simply isn't there.
Funny thing is since the NCAA Tournament went to 6 teams this is the first year that the MPSF got more at large bids than the MIVA. So once again, you can pretend that the MPSF dominates the MIVA and top to bottom is so much stronger and it's not even comparable, but once again, you'd be making up a narrative that simply isn't true. The all time great Quincy University, who went 4-12 in the MIVA, took your beloved LBSU, a top 3 finisher in the regular season and tournament in the MPSF, to 5 sets at LBSU. They also took UCSB, the 5th place finisher and semifinalist in the MPSF Tournament, to 5 sets on the road. This same Quincy team lost to almighty Division THREE teams in Carthage College and St. Ambrose...TWICE! And none of those matches even made it to 5 sets!
The almighty MPSF is no longer untouchable, despite what the Southern California people want to tell you.
Would love to hear all these top level players who left Southern California to play in the Midwest or on the East Coast that you have in mind prior to Cody Caldwell leaving SoCal to come to Loyola 5 years ago...and he turned out to be a complimentary player. Weird, he was supposed to be a volleyball prodigy out in SoCal...and then gets to the Midwest and gets passed up by a bunch of cheeseheads and FIBS.
And sure. OU was better than Nova and just got unlucky, and BYU was better than OSU and just got unlucky. Probably just like Hawaii was better than PSU and got unlucky and UCI was better than Loyola and got unlucky last year, and Stanford was better than Loyola 2 years ago but got unlucky. The Midwest could never ACTUALLY produce better teams than SoCal. It's just pure luck. Heck, it even dates back to when this senior group was in high school. No way a team from little, dirty West Allis, WI could ever actually compete with the big boys of Southern California. Those 3 National Titles in 3 years for that club were clearly just flukes. 3 lucky tournaments in a 3 year span. Crazy how lucky that little city is. Crapshoots all around, ai'na?
If your almighty MPSF teams want their shot, then do their job throughout the regular season, get a good seed in the MPSF Tournament, and finish well in the MPSF Tournament. Can't do that then don't complain that they didn't let 16 of 35ish total NCAA teams into the field. There is always a separation between the top teams in the MPSF and the 2nd tier (teams like UCSB this season). If the top tier teams aren't winning it all, the 2nd tier teams that are crying that half the NCAA field doesn't make the tournament certainly wouldn't.
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Ohio State started 2 California kids out of 6. I get it, you love your SoCal, but the facts here don't add up.
The previous 2 champions started 1 kid from SoCal, and he was the worst player in their starting lineup. Again, you love your SoCal, but you're making up a narrative that simply isn't there.
I stated Lewis was an exception. Not true on Ohio State throughout the year.
Funny thing is since the NCAA Tournament went to 6 teams this is the first year that the MPSF got more at large bids than the MIVA. So once again, you can pretend that the MPSF dominates the MIVA and top to bottom is so much stronger and it's not even comparable, but once again, you'd be making up a narrative that simply isn't true. The all time great Quincy University, who went 4-12 in the MIVA, took your beloved LBSU, a top 3 finisher in the regular season and tournament in the MPSF, to 5 sets at LBSU. They also took UCSB, the 5th place finisher and semifinalist in the MPSF Tournament, to 5 sets on the road. This same Quincy team lost to almighty Division THREE teams in Carthage College and St. Ambrose...TWICE! And none of those matches even made it to 5 sets!
I said power rankings. I also said if we went to 16, the MPSF would dominate most of those positions. Are you truly arguing against that? The MIVA has had some very good teams, but top to bottom if you went to 16 teams most of those positions are going to be filled by the Pepperdines, Stanfords, Hawaii, UCSB of the world. Sure, Lewis, Loyola, PSU or someone like Erksine, Barton, others would slot in.
Ohio State lost to McMaster this year. It happens. That's volleyball. I don't know why you keep going on about the 3 vs 5 sets thing. It by no means is the all inclusive measure of a team's ability. Sure, it can mean how well or poorly they played THAT DAY, but you seem to want to define that way beyond. I don't get it.
The way the tournament is constructed now with how small it is, a George Mason bid takes away a spot from a very good team. The tournament is too small, IMHO.
The almighty MPSF is no longer untouchable, despite what the Southern California people want to tell you.
Would love to hear all these top level players who left Southern California to play in the Midwest or on the East Coast that you have in mind prior to Cody Caldwell leaving SoCal to come to Loyola 5 years ago...and he turned out to be a complimentary player. Weird, he was supposed to be a volleyball prodigy out in SoCal...and then gets to the Midwest and gets passed up by a bunch of cheeseheads and FIBS.
And sure. OU was better than Nova and just got unlucky, and BYU was better than OSU and just got unlucky. Probably just like Hawaii was better than PSU and got unlucky and UCI was better than Loyola and got unlucky last year, and Stanford was better than Loyola 2 years ago but got unlucky. The Midwest could never ACTUALLY produce better teams than SoCal. It's just pure luck. Heck, it even dates back to when this senior group was in high school. No way a team from little, dirty West Allis, WI could ever actually compete with the big boys of Southern California. Those 3 National Titles in 3 years for that club were clearly just flukes. 3 lucky tournaments in a 3 year span. Crazy how lucky that little city is. Crapshoots all around, ai'na?
If your almighty MPSF teams want their shot, then do their job throughout the regular season, get a good seed in the MPSF Tournament, and finish well in the MPSF Tournament. Can't do that then don't complain that they didn't let 16 of 35ish total NCAA teams into the field. There is always a separation between the top teams in the MPSF and the 2nd tier (teams like UCSB this season). If the top tier teams aren't winning it all, the 2nd tier teams that are crying that half the NCAA field doesn't make the tournament certainly wouldn't.
To each their own.....I expect the US National team will be mostly from the MIVA and EIVA then.....
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Nice! Was waiting for you to come up with the whole "US National Team" argument. Funny thing is...if you look at the starting lineup there are 2 guys from SoCal who start...and one of them is the reason we don't dominate the rest of the world (MB2) and will be replaced shortly, most likely by a Midwest player (Jeff Jendryk, Nick Olson, Conrad Kaminsky, Scott Stadick coming up the wings).
OHs - 1 from SoCal through BYU, 1 from MD through PSU
MB - 1 from Cinci through PSU, 1 from SoCal through UCI
RS - NY through PSU
S - HI through USC
L - HI through Stanford
Only backup who gets significant time - IL through Loyola
2 SoCal guys! Dominating that USAV lineup!
What's not true of OSU "throughout the year?" They started 2 SoCal kids. Not sure what else to tell you. Lewis isn't who I was referring to. Lewis didn't win a National title in the last 3 years. Keep trying.
What power rankings? Never knew they had power rankings for men's volleyball. So I guess yes, I'm going against that.
And yes, I go on about 3 vs. 5 sets because it's essentially the difference between a 4 point win in basketball and a 40 point win in basketball. Teams that are relatively close to each other in terms of ability don't get swept at the college (or professional) level. And they CERTAINLY don't lose a set 25-17. You definitely got it right that you don't get it if you don't understand this.
Do you know anything about McMaster University? Obviously not. Almighty Pepperdine of the almighty MPSF loses to Canadian college teams in the preseason every year, even when they're winning National Titles. There are some INSANELY good men's volleyball teams in Canada. They also happen to be in the middle of their season when they play the teams from the USA, while the USA teams have just started practicing together for the first time. Which you clearly didn't know, because you're just blindly backing the almighty and beloved SoCal without really understanding how the game truly works at this level.
Still waiting for that long list in your mind of SoCal kids prior to Caldwell heading to Loyola of top level talent that played outside of the MPSF...
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It is honestly not that hard to understand. Men's volleyball throughout the country has grown and the gap has closed on the stronghold that the MPSF had on the country. It's not hard to see in the least bit, and to argue against that is incredibly ignorant. Go look at the list of NCAA champions. 70s? All MPSF. 80s? All MPSF. 90s? All MPSF. 2000s? 7 MPSF and 1 EIVA (2 vacated). 2010s? Oh. 4 MIVAs, 3 MPSF?
But it's pure luck that the MPSF (okay, west coast schools, since there was no MPSF for a long time) won like 37 straight titles. MIVA is just as good, just had some off nights at key times. Or something like that. ::)
Oh, but players from CA are on those MIVA teams! So the MPSF really won the National Titles! ::)
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But it's pure luck that the MPSF (okay, west coast schools, since there was no MPSF for a long time) won like 37 straight titles.
It is all down hill after Al Scates. ;)
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It is all down hill after Al Scates. ;)
And just think what will happen when Marv decides to hang it up! ;)
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I guess I'm also curious where I said OSU was lucky. I certainly didn't. OSU is a very good team, I just think most experts believed BYU on most days is better. That doesn't mean OSU is lucky.
The 3-0 sweep is immaterial in judging the quality of their team for the same reason I gave you the Nova and OU examples. First game went 32-30. Teams sometimes don't have it on givens days.
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I guess I'm also curious where I said OSU was lucky. I certainly didn't. OSU is a very good team, I just think most experts believed BYU on most days is better. That doesn't mean OSU is lucky.
The 3-0 sweep is immaterial in judging the quality of their team for the same reason I gave you the Nova and OU examples. First game went 32-30. Teams sometimes don't have it on givens days.
Believed is the key word. They believed they were the better team. I also believed BYU was the better team heading into the Finals. If you watched the match, there is no doubt whatsoever who the better team was, and it wasn't the Cougars. Not even close. Volleyball is all serve and pass. One team was far, FAR superior in both of those facets, and it wasn't the Cougars.
You said OSU caught BYU on an off day and continue to talk about teams not "having it on given days." If you know volleyball you saw that this wasn't just BYU not playing well. This was BYU getting manhandled by a better serving and better passing team.
These two teams played exactly how they did all year long. OSU was the best serving team in the country and the best passing team in the country. OSU was the better serving team and the better passing team in the NCAA Tournament, and specifically, Finals. BYU's weakness all year was their serve reception, while their strengths were transition volleyball (not as important in guys volleyball because guys don't get into the transition game very often) and serving and blocking (the least important aspect in volleyball).
BYU was successful because despite being a poor passing team, they were so much bigger and more athletic than any teams they were facing, so even though other teams could put up a solid triple block, they could throw a high ball to one of their pins and watch the kid go up and blast through the block, and worst case just keep the ball in play and let their giant block go to work. That's all fine and dandy when you're going up against right side blocks that consist of (generously) 6'4" and 6' blockers on the right pin and 6' and 6'7" (the only above average pin blocker on their team) left pin like UCLA. Just go up, be bigger, be more athletic, and passing isn't a huge issue. But when that block all of a sudden becomes 6'4" at the shortest being big and athletic no longer cuts it. BYU was out of system all night and finally played a team that had enough size and athleticism to keep them from just pounding balls over the top despite poor passing. That is what it came down to. It wasn't an off night. BYU played exactly how they played to take 1st in the MPSF and win the MPSF Tournament. They just finally ran into a team that could stop their athletes and made them play some volleyball, which they couldn't do.
Sweeps are sweeps. When you win 3-0 at a competitive (Open division Gold or Silver bracket) high school club level, a college level, or a professional/international level, that is a route. You can pretend that the scores of each set matter, but when you can't take a set off of a team you got stomped. I don't care if it's 45-43, 32-30, 29-27. One team is significantly better than the other when those are your scores at a high level. When its' 32-30, 25-23, 25-17, one team got stomped. You can pretend that's not the case, but you'll be wrong in doing so.
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Went to USA vs Japan tonight. USA dominated.
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We'll agree to disagree Wade's....each match is different' Again, I never said lucky anywhere, that was your use of the word....multiple times. Really strange.
Second, a team can beat someone 3-0 and come back against same team and lose 3-0 or 3-1. One team played very well and won, the other team didn't play well and lost. For that match, that was the case. Agreed. Just as one team beat Villanova by 30 in a game, and the next time they met in the same season with the same players, the other team returned the favor. It happens...in all sports.
Congrats to Ohio State.
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It is honestly not that hard to understand. Men's volleyball throughout the country has grown and the gap has closed on the stronghold that the MPSF had on the country. It's not hard to see in the least bit, and to argue against that is incredibly ignorant. Go look at the list of NCAA champions. 70s? All MPSF. 80s? All MPSF. 90s? All MPSF. 2000s? 7 MPSF and 1 EIVA (2 vacated). 2010s? Oh. 4 MIVAs, 3 MPSF?
Agree, men's volleyball has closed the gap in terms of quality. But you're focusing on the champion, not the entire league or where the top talent is coming from, which was my point.
But it's pure luck that the MPSF (okay, west coast schools, since there was no MPSF for a long time) won like 37 straight titles. MIVA is just as good, just had some off nights at key times. Or something like that. ::) That wasn't my argument at all, but if it makes you feel good...go for it. It was a very simple argument....nothing to do with luck. Ohio State won the match, great first game that BYU easily could have won (5 times), but didn't. BYU seemed to lose a lot of momentum and lost the match. Better teams lose matches in all sports at times. The best team doesn't always win. Most experts felt BYU was the best team. All the computers did, too. Thing is, it is sports, and anything can happen. Nothing to do with luck...OSU deserved to win that match that day. Not sure how this is difficult to process. MU deserved to beat Denver last Saturday in Lacrosse ON THAT DAY. Does that mean MU was lucky that day? Nope. Does it mean MU played really well...maybe Denver didn't play up their capability? Maybe.
Oh, but players from CA are on those MIVA teams! So the MPSF really won the National Titles! ::) Never said or implied that. I said talented CA players were on those teams, how that translates to "MPSF really won those titles is just weird silly talk by you.
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Go read up on what all the "experts" have said since the match. Yes, before the match everyone thought BYU was a better team. Now? Only incredibly ignorant people believe that.
2 losses all year. Wins over all 3 top 3 MPSF teams in the final month of the season (none on the home court). National chamionship match sweep (route). Far and away best serving and passing team in volleyball. 23 match winning streak to end the season. Oh, and unanimous #1 team in the country, voted on by your "experts." Maybe these are the "power rankings" you were referring to? Never seen men's volleyball power rankings. But do see 1 national champion and 1 unanimous #1 team in the country, and neither is the BYU Cougars.
But hey, some guy who just started following the sport 2 years ago said BYU is the best team, so it must be so.
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Go read up on what all the "experts" have said since the match. Yes, before the match everyone thought BYU was a better team. Now? Only incredibly ignorant people believe that.
2 losses all year. Wins over all 3 top 3 MPSF teams in the final month of the season (none on the home court). National chamionship match sweep (route). Far and away best serving and passing team in volleyball. 23 match winning streak to end the season. Oh, and unanimous #1 team in the country, voted on by your "experts." Maybe these are the "power rankings" you were referring to? Never seen men's volleyball power rankings. But do see 1 national champion and 1 unanimous #1 team in the country, and neither is the BYU Cougars.
But hey, some guy who just started following the sport 2 years ago said BYU is the best team, so it must be so.
You know, as quick as the offense in volleyball has become in the past decade, you're right about the passing. From now until this end of time, competitive volleyball will always be a serve and pass game.
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You know, as quick as the offense in volleyball has become in the past decade, you're right about the passing. From now until this end of time, competitive volleyball will always be a serve and pass game.
Absolutely. I never really understood the importance of passing until I got into coaching and started watching the game with an eye on what makes a team successful. The game is so easy when you're in system all the time. The team who can remain in system and take the other team out of system more often than not wins your national title. This year it was OSU, the last 2 years it was Loyola. I don't really remember UCI a ton the 2 years prior, but with Brinkley and Tillie as your 2 main passers and Dejno and Tillie able to bomb away from the service line, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case for them as well.
Edit: I remember their second of the back to back titles, as I was there. Hughes took Dejno's place as L2 going into the conference tournament. Weaker passer than Tillie and Brinkley but a really good offensive player. In the semifinals they were running high balls to the right and La Cavera didn't look very good. They were clearly hiding their game plan in the semis, because when they got to the finals and were passing nails all game they set darts back to La Cavera on the RS. Their setter was really impressive.
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I'm sure someone will appreciate this. So who would have probably been my best player has been ineligible for the entire season. Get the eligibility report today for next week, guess whose eligible for the last game of the season...Unbelievable. most frustrating thing I have ever had to deal with.
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Cook just got a raise (http://www.cornnation.com/2016/5/12/11665386/john-cook-nebraska-huskers-volleyball-pay-raise-extension). Wow.
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Cook just got a raise (http://www.cornnation.com/2016/5/12/11665386/john-cook-nebraska-huskers-volleyball-pay-raise-extension). Wow.
And people questioned $hane Davi$'s move from Loyola men's to B1G women's volleyball...
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And people questioned $hane Davi$'s move from Loyola men's to B1G women's volleyball...
People actually questioned that? I don't blame him one bit. He did everything he possibly could with that program from keeping it alive to a dominant 2 year stretch.
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Not that it comes as any surprise but it's still cool that it's official, the Boys Fab 50 is out and Scott Stadick, of Watertown, WI (no boys volleyball program at Watertown High School) is ranked the #1 recruit in the country.
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Go read up on what all the "experts" have said since the match. Yes, before the match everyone thought BYU was a better team. Now? Only incredibly ignorant people believe that.
2 losses all year. Wins over all 3 top 3 MPSF teams in the final month of the season (none on the home court). National chamionship match sweep (route). Far and away best serving and passing team in volleyball. 23 match winning streak to end the season. Oh, and unanimous #1 team in the country, voted on by your "experts." Maybe these are the "power rankings" you were referring to? Never seen men's volleyball power rankings. But do see 1 national champion and 1 unanimous #1 team in the country, and neither is the BYU Cougars.
But hey, some guy who just started following the sport 2 years ago said BYU is the best team, so it must be so.
The "incredibly ignorant"....cool. Those same experts a day before had BYU unanimous...and you are wrong, OSU was not-unanimous, BYU still got a vote...probably from an "incredibly ignorant" person, or maybe the incredibly ignorant person was you for claiming that and being wrong. ;) http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/volleyball-men/nc/avca-division-i-ii-coaches
Who is this guy that "just started" following the sport 2 years ago? I've been playing for over 30 years....hell, I was ball-boying back in the days of the Ventura Beach Open, going to camps at Pepperdine, etc. Just because I didn't have a ton of renewed interest until the last few years does not mean I just started with the sport or even following it. Hell, I used to follow the NBA religiously, and then for 15 years barely anything....because I hated what the NBA became.
Lots of fun photos I could post here of me playing since the 1980's, into Marquette, and beyond....getting my son involved, etc. Going back to Steve Timmons days, Karch, Sunderland, Dusty...Chris Marlowe has been a friend for over 20 years. But hey, whatever.
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Youngs...Would your kid like some Chris Marlowe autographed stuff? Let me know, I'll have him sign some stuff and send it over...just PM me.
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The "incredibly ignorant"....cool. Those same experts a day before had BYU unanimous...and you are wrong, OSU was not-unanimous, BYU still got a vote...probably from an "incredibly ignorant" person, or maybe the incredibly ignorant person was you for claiming that and being wrong. ;) http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/volleyball-men/nc/avca-division-i-ii-coaches
Who is this guy that "just started" following the sport 2 years ago? I've been playing for over 30 years....hell, I was ball-boying back in the days of the Ventura Beach Open, going to camps at Pepperdine, etc. Just because I didn't have a ton of renewed interest until the last few years does not mean I just started with the sport or even following it. Hell, I used to follow the NBA religiously, and then for 15 years barely anything....because I hated what the NBA became.
Lots of fun photos I could post here of me playing since the 1980's, into Marquette, and beyond....getting my son involved, etc. Going back to Steve Timmons days, Karch, Sunderland, Dusty...Chris Marlowe has been a friend for over 20 years. But hey, whatever.
Yes, those same "experts" had BYU as a unanimous favorite to win the National Championship match...but then the match was, well, you know, actually played. And one team was far and away better than the other, and those "experts" all (and I mean, all) changed their thoughts. The poll I was referring to was the media poll, you know, the guys who all made their public predictions on who was going to win. Sorry, but no coaches were going on record before the match saying, "Oh yeah, BYU wins this thing easily." It was all the media "experts." And who was your unanimous #1 team in the media poll after the National Championship match was actually played?
http://www.offtheblockblog.com/2016/05/ncaa-champs-ohio-state-unanimous-no-1-in-media-poll/
Weird.
But yes, Sean Manzi is incredibly ignorant. He coached an average Coastal Carolina Conference team (who one of the players I coached that played in the Coastal Carolinas for 4 years told me "would finish in the Bronze Division of 18s Open) and sent in his AVCA coach's poll 3 total weeks, including the final poll. Interestingly enough, the poll he sent in 2 weeks prior to his final poll had...Ohio State at number 1. But then Ohio State went on and...won the MIVA Conference Tournament and won the NCAA Championship and he...drops them below the team they swept in the National Title? Uhh, yeah, I'll stick to him being incredibly ignorant.
Glad you've been around the game, active in the game, a fan of the game, and are back into the game with your son getting into it. I'll stick with you not fully understanding the game if you think a team just simply didn't play well and was really the better team after a 30-32, 23-25, 17-25 loss.
Appreciate the offer for autographs but I don't have kids and don't coach anymore.
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Cool, so we are in agreement they weren't the unanimous #1 per the polls. We're also in agreement the best team doesn't always win. We're also in agreement that a team can win 3-0 and then lose to the same team the same year 3-0 (heck, even in the same week it has happened).
I saw Denver lost in Lacrosse today...they were #1 last week...lost to MU. Then lost again today. Things happen. It is sports. That's why they play the games.
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Cool, so we are in agreement they weren't the unanimous #1 per the polls. We're also in agreement the best team doesn't always win. We're also in agreement that a team can win 3-0 and then lose to the same team the same year 3-0 (heck, even in the same week it has happened).
I saw Denver lost in Lacrosse today...they were #1 last week...lost to MU. Then lost again today. Things happen. It is sports. That's why they play the games.
...except they were a unanimous #1 in the media poll. You know, the poll that consists of the people who were making their unanimous BYU prediction. Not all that hard to comprehend, yet there's Chicos, always making the simple difficult lol.
Thanks for proving my point. "Experts" got it wrong in lacrosse. They thought Denver was the best team in the country. When they actually had to, you know, play the game, they weren't the best team in the country.
"Experts" thought BYU was the best team in the country. When they had to, you know, play the game, they weren't the best team in the country.
Someday if you don't lose interest in the sport for years before gaining interest in it again you'll come to understand what wins and loses volleyball matches and then maybe you'll understand which team was the better team.
Anyways, 3 straight NCAA Titles for the MIVA, and 4 of the last 6. This after never, in the history of men's volleyball, having had a national title come from the Midwest in college volleyball. 99.9999% of people would understand that the gap is being closed. 0.0001% of the people would claim that the West Coast should get credit for it because a couple players that started on those teams were from the West Coast, and/or that it's just a crapshoot and there's no real rhyme or reason as to why 37 straight or whatever it is national titles came from the West Coast. :o
Not sure why I've let this draw out. Literally every MPSF coach who sent in a ballot (INCLUDING BYU'S OWN COACH!!!) agrees that Ohio State is the #1 team in the country. I have talked to Marv Dunphy, a man you apparently were coached by at his camps, about the BYU team and he has the same take as me. I have talked to Brad Keller, the assistant for your beloved Bruins, and he has the same take on where games are won and lost and who was best at that. He saw it first hand 2 nights before BYU did. I talked to a couple of MPSF player about the National Title and they agreed that after thinking BYU was going to win it all, it was clear why they didn't and who the better team was.
But if it helps you sleep at night, you're right. Those boys from Provo were clearly the best team in the country this season. Just had a bad night at the wrong time. It's a darn shame the MPSF continues to have untimely bad matches come up lately after never having it happen in the past.
P.S. The one thing I would like to hear further on the topic is this "long list" that you have "in your mind" of top level West Coast talent leaving California and going to play in the MIVA or EIVA prior to Cody Caldwell (who, again, was supposed to be this generational talent in Southern California...and then went and got passed up by a bunch of cheeseheads and FIBs at Loyola, resulting in a nice complimentary player for 4 years). I've been anxiously awaiting it for a while now as I'm genuinely intrigued...
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Oh also do you think UCI just sent their 2012 and 2013 NCAA championship trophies over to France by UPS or...?
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Prepvolleyball.com lists Marquette as No. 19 recruiting class for 2016.
19. MARQUETTE: Allie Barber, 6-4 MB, Cedarburg (Wisconsin); Madeline Mosher, 6-0 OH, Waterloo (Wisconsin); Lauren Speckman, 5-9 S, Archbishop Mitty (San Jose, California)
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Not unanimous in the coaches poll. Makes you wonder why it was such a huge upset, after all they were ranked #2 and #2 beating #1 shouldn't be considered a major upset. Yet that is how it was portrayed.
Good for OSU, shame they didn't get unanimous, but they still got the trophy. They were the better team that day. It happens...in fact it happens in sports all the time. Team wins one day, loses to same team a few days later. Heck, I'm watching the "best team" NBA that everyone on the planet would agree is the case, might not even make the NBA finals and that is in a 7 game series, not a one match setup like the NCAA tournament. It happens.
Sports are fun
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My son made all league first team tonight. Very proud. Only junior to make first team. Led the team in digs, serves, service winners, aces, and was second in assists. Proud papa.
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Congrats to your son. Very cool.
Congrats also to Ohio State on being the best team in the country all year long. Well deserved National Championship for them. 3 straight for the MIVA. Impressive.
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My son made all league first team tonight. Very proud. Only junior to make first team. Led the team in digs, serves, service winners, aces, and was second in assists. Proud papa.
Congrats to your son, Chicos. Please send him from SoCal out here to the Midwest for college so that the teams out here can continue dominating those West Coast schools. ;)
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Uh oh, the big bad MPSF and the West Coast volleyball are getting scared into some pretty drastic changes.
CSUN, UCSB, LBSU, UCI, UCSD, and Hawaii splitting off into the Big West Conference in an attempt to get the NCAA Tournament to expand and to steal an autobid.
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Congrats to your son, Chicos. Please send him from SoCal out here to the Midwest for college so that the teams out here can continue dominating those West Coast schools. ;)
He wants out of California, like many of us. Soccer is his true best sport...he was at a showcase this past weekend and did very well. Some MLS scouts there, said some nice things. Vball he loves more, but just doesn't have the size for it.
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Uh oh, the big bad MPSF and the West Coast volleyball are getting scared into some pretty drastic changes.
CSUN, UCSB, LBSU, UCI, UCSD, and Hawaii splitting off into the Big West Conference in an attempt to get the NCAA Tournament to expand and to steal an autobid.
That's a good thing, overall. As I stated a few weeks ago, how the NCAA does the volleyball tournament is just dumb. What they really need to do is expand the tournament. That is what is ultimately rumored to happen, and I couldn't agree more. This is just another step of getting to that inevitability. The hope is this happens with other conferences as well. I say, BRING IT ON. Good news for volleyball.
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That's a good thing, overall. As I stated a few weeks ago, how the NCAA does the volleyball tournament is just dumb. What they really need to do is expand the tournament. That is what is ultimately rumored to happen, and I couldn't agree more. This is just another step of getting to that inevitability. The hope is this happens with other conferences as well. I say, BRING IT ON. Good news for volleyball.
It's good news for men's volleyball...if other conferences do it, followed by other schools adding the sport to fill up those conferences. Problem is, with Title IV, nobody's adding men's volleyball at the DI-II level. So this is a good thing for scared West Cost schools who see the Midwest and East making up ground and "stealing" their bids to the NCAA Tournament. Who it REALLY sucks for is Stanford, Pepperdine, BYU, USC and UCLA. If you're ranking the men's volleyball programs in terms of who have had the most recent, and will continue to have long term, success from the (now) old MPSF, you have literally the 4 best programs remaining in the (now) new MPSF.
1) UCLA
2) Pepperdine
3) Stanford
4) BYU
5) UCI
6) USC
7) LBSU
8) Hawaii
9) UCSB
Everyone else.
So now AT MOST the top 4 teams (and 5 of the top 6) from the (now) old MPSF are battling for 2 NCAA Tournament spots, and sometimes just one depending if any 2 teams completely separate themselves as the top 2 teams and dominate everyone else in either the MIVA or Big West. HUGE loss for the (now) new MPSF, which is very unfortunate.
HUGE win for the (now) Big West members. Those coaches have to be salivating big time.
Expand the NCAA Tournament? Is this where college sports are going now too? Catching up to the pee wee "everyone gets a trophy!" idea I see.
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UCLA, USC will be just fine. All of those schools will still be playing the Big West and vice versa. The only difference is the standings and an extra bid. The talent will mostly still be on the west coast in high schools, most will stay out this way and others will go to play in the Midwest and East coast where there are opportunities. Stop with the Midwest and East coast nonsense and schools running scared. If anything, they know how powerful the MPSF is and this gives them a better chance of getting out from some of that, grabbing a bid. I don't blame them one bit. Won't change scheduling one bit, those same teams will still play the same teams.
As for no one adding, that's not really true. Sure, it's not happening in droves because of Title IX and other reasons, but you have several schools moving from DIII up to DI, and a several NAIA schools moving to NCAA DII.
You honestly think expanding the tournament from 6 to 8 is equivalent to everyone gets a trophy? Even going to 10 or 12 or 16, with byes...hardly. Six is too small, and it will be expanded. I guarantee it.
Let's not go overboard here. No one is saying everyone gets a trophy.
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UCLA, USC will be just fine. All of those schools will still be playing the Big West and vice versa. The only difference is the standings and an extra bid. The talent will mostly still be on the west coast in high schools, most will stay out this way and others will go to play in the Midwest and East coast where there are opportunities. Stop with the Midwest and East coast nonsense and schools running scared. If anything, they know how powerful the MPSF is and this gives them a better chance of getting out from some of that, grabbing a bid. I don't blame them one bit. Won't change scheduling one bit, those same teams will still play the same teams.
As for no one adding, that's not really true. Sure, it's not happening in droves because of Title IX and other reasons, but you have several schools moving from DIII up to DI, and a several NAIA schools moving to NCAA DII.
You honestly think expanding the tournament from 6 to 8 is equivalent to everyone gets a trophy? Even going to 10 or 12 or 16, with byes...hardly. Six is too small, and it will be expanded. I guarantee it.
Let's not go overboard here. No one is saying everyone gets a trophy.
It would be like having 100 teams in the NCAA basketball tournament. Why?
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Pfieffer dropping from DI-II to DIII. That split of conferences really provided some momentum for men's college volleyball!
But we should definitely be putting at least 8 teams into the NCAA Tournament! Just invite them all, you all tried really hard!
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It would be like having 100 teams in the NCAA basketball tournament. Why?
Horrible analogy. There are enough good players and good teams because of lack of opportunities to expand to 8 or more. Basketball has 350+ DI teams, the opportunities are abundant and rarely are excellent or very good teams left out. Because of the limitations in men's volleyball driven by Title IX and other considerations, that isn't the case in this sport.
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Pfieffer dropping from DI-II to DIII. That split of conferences really provided some momentum for men's college volleyball!
But we should definitely be putting at least 8 teams into the NCAA Tournament! Just invite them all, you all tried really hard!
Why the hyperbole? Going from 6 to 8 teams, adding two means trophies for everyone? Means INVITE them all? SMH
Problem is, with Title IV, nobody's adding men's volleyball at the DI-II level.
This is where you get into MU82 territory. Your statement is false..."nobody adding to DI or DII level? That is not true. Here's the list, now you can deny it like MU82 does with his posts, but I would hope you would just admit your hyperbole is simply wrong.
Grand Canyon U transitioning to DI from DIII
UC San Diego going from DII to DI
Moving from NAIA to NCAA DII
Emmanuel
Concordia (just down the road from me)
Holy Names
Lincoln Memorial Univ. starts DII next year
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Horrible analogy. There are enough good players and good teams because of lack of opportunities to expand to 8 or more. Basketball has 350+ DI teams, the opportunities are abundant and rarely are excellent or very good teams left out. Because of the limitations in men's volleyball driven by Title IX and other considerations, that isn't the case in this sport.
How is it a bad analogy? Go take a look at the percentage of teams in each sport and let's make it equal. So, let's throw 100 teams into the NCAA Tournament.
When there are under 40 teams in DI-II men's college volleyball, if you can't finish in the top 3 of your conference, sorry that I don't feel bad that you didn't get your participation invite into the NCAA Tournament.
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Why the hyperbole? Going from 6 to 8 teams, adding two means trophies for everyone? Means INVITE them all? SMH
This is where you get into MU82 territory. Your statement is false..."nobody adding to DI or DII level? That is not true. Here's the list, now you can deny it like MU82 does with his posts, but I would hope you would just admit your hyperbole is simply wrong.
Grand Canyon U transitioning to DI from DIII
UC San Diego going from DII to DI
Moving from NAIA to NCAA DII
Emmanuel
Concordia (just down the road from me)
Holy Names
Lincoln Memorial Univ. starts DII next year
Let me guess, you consider the 4 schools from Puerto Rico that are considered independent NCAA DI-DII men's volleyball programs to be part of NCAA men's volleyball as well ;D :o ::)
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Let me guess, you consider the 4 schools from Puerto Rico that are considered independent NCAA DI-DII men's volleyball programs to be part of NCAA men's volleyball as well ;D :o ::)
Hey, some of those Puerto Rican club teams were damn good. Especially at the 15s and 16s level.
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Hey, some of those Puerto Rican club teams were damn good. Especially at the 15s and 16s level.
Volleyball in Puerto Rico is essentially the national sport, along with basketball. Some great competition down there.
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Let me guess, you consider the 4 schools from Puerto Rico that are considered independent NCAA DI-DII men's volleyball programs to be part of NCAA men's volleyball as well ;D :o ::)
You said nobody, I gave you some, including UCSD and Grand Canyon. "Nobody", your term, was wrong. I also didn't list any Puerto Rico schools, oh by the way.
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You said nobody, I gave you some, including UCSD and Grand Canyon. Nobody was wrong.
UCSD and GCU were both already part of DI-II NCAA men's volleyball. Come on. UCSD has been in the MPSF. GCU has been in the MIVA. Moving from "DII" to "DI" in men's volleyball is not moving at all.
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Hey, some of those Puerto Rican club teams were damn good. Especially at the 15s and 16s level.
Yeah they are, particularly because they don't have to supply a birth certificate until 17s year so they're like 18 year olds playing with 15 year olds (but seriously, some kids I coached my 2nd year who were playing 16s found some of the players from a Puerto Rican team at 16s Nationals on Facebook and they were all listing their birthdays as like 19 year old kids and listed as attending some university down there). Shady stuff.
Volleyball in Puerto Rico is essentially the national sport, along with basketball. Some great competition down there.
Right, but they don't compete with NCAA DI-II men's volleyball programs despite being considered "NCAA DI-II."
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How is it a bad analogy? Go take a look at the percentage of teams in each sport and let's make it equal. So, let's throw 100 teams into the NCAA Tournament.
When there are under 40 teams in DI-II men's college volleyball, if you can't finish in the top 3 of your conference, sorry that I don't feel bad that you didn't get your participation invite into the NCAA Tournament.
Just like Merrit's argument on Vander, you guys have trouble with denominators apparently. There are many fewer opportunities for men's volleyball because there are fewer teams....ARTIFICIALLY fewer because of budgets, TITLE IX, etc, etc. Taking 100 teams for the basketball tournament and comparing it to taking 8 teams in volleyball assumes that the talent drop off from teams 6 to 7 & 8 is the same as the talent drop off from 68 to 100. You know that is ridiculous, that's why your analogy is horrible.
The talent is there to have 8 teams, or even more, but the number of teams in men's volleyball are artificially suppressed. The same cannot be said for men's basketball, where there is no suppression of opportunity, and thus the number of teams that play D1.
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UCSD and GCU were both already part of DI-II NCAA men's volleyball. Come on. UCSD has been in the MPSF. GCU has been in the MIVA. Moving from "DII" to "DI" in men's volleyball is not moving at all.
I also gave you four schools that went from NAIA to NCAA DII....you said nobody was adding to DI or DII. You were wrong. Come on, just own it...you can do it.
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When there are under 40 teams in DI-II men's college volleyball, if you can't finish in the top 3 of your conference, sorry that I don't feel bad that you didn't get your participation invite into the NCAA Tournament.
There are under 40 teams in NCAA beach volleyball, yet they have 8 teams in the NCAA tournament.
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Just like Merrit's argument on Vander, you guys have trouble with denominators apparently. There are many fewer opportunities for men's volleyball because there are fewer teams....ARTIFICIALLY fewer because of budgets, TITLE IX, etc, etc. Taking 100 teams for the basketball tournament and comparing it to taking 8 teams in volleyball assumes that the talent drop off from teams 6 to 7 & 8 is the same as the talent drop off from 68 to 100. You know that is ridiculous, that's why your analogy is horrible.
The talent is there to have 8 teams, or even more, but the number of teams in men's volleyball are artificially suppressed. The same cannot be said for men's basketball, where there is no suppression of opportunity, and thus the number of teams that play D1.
Actually, I would definitely argue that team 68 in the NCAA Tournament is WORSE than team 100. In fact, team number 68 in the NCAA Tournament this year had an RPI of 249. Team number 100 would be right around an LSU, Arizona State, UCLA, etc. If you think Holy Cross was significantly better than those 3 teams were, hey, to each their own I guess.
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I also gave you four schools that went from NAIA to NCAA DII....you said nobody was adding to DI or DII. You were wrong. Come on, just own it...you can do it.
Again, if you want to consider programs who will add men's volleyball as an independent and then fail, only to drop out of DI-II in a couple years, so be it. We should definitely invite them to the NCAA Tournament!
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Actually, I would definitely argue that team 68 in the NCAA Tournament is WORSE than team 100. In fact, team number 68 in the NCAA Tournament this year had an RPI of 249. Team number 100 would be right around an LSU, Arizona State, UCLA, etc. If you think Holy Cross was significantly better than those 3 teams were, hey, to each their own I guess.
Then use team 100 compared to team 40, once you get out form the AQ's in hoops. This is about quality of play from team 6 to 8...not much drop off. A bigger drop off from team 40 to team 100.
Here's my argument. UCSB was the 6th rated men's volleyball team this year in the RPI...5th in the college polls. They didn't go. They easily could have done some damage in the tournament if top 8 were taken. That's just one example. Stanford is another. Does anyone really believe Stanford or UCSB doesn't do as well or potentially better than Erksine and George Mason? Come on.
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Then use team 100 compared to team 40, once you get out form the AQ's in hoops. This is about quality of play from team 6 to 8...not much drop off. A bigger drop off from team 40 to team 100.
Here's my argument. UCSB was the 6th rated men's volleyball team this year in the RPI...5th in the college polls. They didn't go. They easily could have done some damage in the tournament if top 8 were taken. That's just one example. Stanford is another. Does anyone really believe Stanford or UCSB doesn't do as well or potentially better than Erksine and George Mason? Come on.
Why look at the worst of the volleyball tournament and then look at the 40th worst out of 68 teams of the basketball tournament? That doesn't make much sense...Looks like someone else may need work on his denominators?
Considering George Mason actually took a set off of Ohio State while the best of the MPSF couldn't (BYU) I think they probably did do "as well or potentially better" than Stanford or UCSB could/would have.
But once again, you could make the exact same argument for the NCAA basketball tournament. Do you really think Holy Cross could or would have done more damage than Monmouth or St. Mary's or Valpo? Come on. Then again, you want to leave the AQs out of the argument for men's basketball, but include them for men's volleyball. So of course that makes sense.
Here's the thing. Stanford and UCSB had their chance to do as well or potentially better than those schools. Stanford was sitting in 1st place in the MPSF, looking at hosting the MPSF Tournament heading into the last week of the season. They couldn't win either of their last 2 matches, and then lost their first match of the MPSF Tournament at home. Their fault for not closing out the season. Only themselves to blame, not the lack of a participation invite into the NCAA Tournament. Same thing with UCSB. Don't go 1-7 against the top 4 MPSF teams and you don't have to complain that you didn't get an NCAA Tournament bid for trying really hard. UCLA, LBSU, and BYU all had their chances to do damage in the NCAA Tournament out of the MPSF. None did. UCSB was 0-6 against those teams. Sorry, but you weren't good enough.
Now, how else do you want to shift the goal posts? Let's look at non-AQ participants in the men's basketball tournament, but then shift our goalposts to all participants for the men's volleyball tournament. Fair enough, if it makes sense to you then it must be right. Anywhere else you would like to place some goalposts?
Heck, let's just give out invites to all teams in all sports. They all have very dedicated student athletes who put a lot of time and effort into their sports and studies. It's only fair that everyone gets a shot at a championship after not performing well enough throughout an entire season.
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Stanford and UCSB's chances are hindered because of the conference they are in, which is the best conference in the NCAA in terms of the top teams. Of the top 6 teams, 5 were from the MPSF. 6 of the top 9. 7 of the top 11. Much more difficult road to get in because of the quality of the conference. The poll you love to use, MPSF 7 of the top 8 spots. WAY more difficult to get through and get a bid.
The tournament would be better with a Stanford, UCSB, etc that are better teams than Mason and Erksine. I actually want Mason and Erkskine in there, which is why going from 6 to 8 is easily done and would actually IMPROVE the quality of the tournament.
Your basketball argument....in the last 5 years, how many #2 or #3 seeds have we seen lose in the first round? #1 seeds lose in the second round? More than a handful, which shows that anything can happen and they deserved their shot.
UCSB and Stanford were good enough to win the entire men's volleyball tournament. They have the talent to do so. The 90th ranked NCAA men's basketball team does not. You're a smart guy, how can you honestly say that Stanford and UCSB are lesser teams than two that got in? Polls don't show that. Power rankings don't show that. Eyeballs don't show that. Do you want the top teams in the tournament or not?
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Stanford and UCSB's chances are hindered because of the conference they are in, which is the best conference in the NCAA in terms of the top teams. Of the top 6 teams, 5 were from the MPSF. 6 of the top 9. 7 of the top 11. Much more difficult road to get in because of the quality of the conference. The poll you love to use, MPSF 7 of the top 8 spots. WAY more difficult to get through and get a bid.
The tournament would be better with a Stanford, UCSB, etc that are better teams than Mason and Erksine. I actually want Mason and Erkskine in there, which is why going from 6 to 8 is easily done and would actually IMPROVE the quality of the tournament.
Your basketball argument....in the last 5 years, how many #2 or #3 seeds have we seen lose in the first round? #1 seeds lose in the second round? More than a handful, which shows that anything can happen and they deserved their shot.
UCSB and Stanford were good enough to win the entire men's volleyball tournament. They have the talent to do so. The 90th ranked NCAA men's basketball team does not. You're a smart guy, how can you honestly say that Stanford and UCSB are lesser teams than two that got in? Polls don't show that. Power rankings don't show that. Eyeballs don't show that. Do you want the top teams in the tournament or not?
Sure, I want the top teams in the Tournament. So let's get rid of all AQ bids to all sport tournaments I guess. Makes sense. Eliminate any chance of any non-power conference teams in any sport getting a shot to win a National Championship. Let's let this Power 5 conference break from the NCAA happen after all! No chance for Nova to win an NCAA Men's Basketball title, no chance for UCONN to win an NCAA Men's Basketball title, etc. Good idea.
No, UCSB was not good enough to win the whole NCAA Title. They were 0-6 against the 3 teams out of their conference that made the field (none of which even won the NCAA Championship). Stanford had every chance in the world to make the Tournament, and couldn't do it. I was really hoping Conrad got another shot at a title and for most of the year it looked like he was going to get that shot. But they didn't finish out the season. Sorry, but the season doesn't end in April. If the Brewers season could've ended in mid-August in 2014 they would've been in the Playoffs! Too bad it didn't. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. But she doesn't so she's my aunt.
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Wades...
Are UCSB and Stanford better than Erkskine and George Mason?
Simple question.
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Wades...
Are UCSB and Stanford better than Erkskine and George Mason?
Simple question.
Erskine yes. George Mason maybe.
Is Monmouth better than Holy Cross?
Simple question.
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Erskine yes. George Mason maybe.
Is Monmouth better than Holy Cross?
Simple question.
Maybe....please. Not even close, in any rating system you want to use.
What does your Monmouth or Holy Cross question have to do with anything? Those teams are typically seeded 14th or 15th in the NCAA men's tournament. I'm talking about expanding men's volleyball from 6 to 8 teams, maybe a few more....so gasp...the top 10 teams in the country can participate. Nothing compared to Monmouth or Holy Cross and their 100+ rankings. Not even close, but somehow you equate that to "everyone should get a trophy". Which is ironic, since I'm the last person in the world that believes in that crap. I do, however, find it ridiculous that schools like George Mason and Erskine are in the tournament and literally a top 5 team isn't, or a top 6 team isn't, because they play in such a brutal conference they can't get in. That's why, sooner rather than later, there will be expansion.
I'm thrilled that the Big West did this, because it's going to open up expansion, and more legitimate teams will get in as a result.
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Maybe....please. Not even close, in any rating system you want to use.
What does your Monmouth or Holy Cross question have to do with anything? Those teams are typically seeded 14th or 15th in the NCAA men's tournament. I'm talking about expanding men's volleyball from 6 to 8 teams, maybe a few more....so gasp...the top 10 teams in the country can participate. Nothing compared to Monmouth or Holy Cross and their 100+ rankings. Not even close, but somehow you equate that to "everyone should get a trophy". Which is ironic, since I'm the last person in the world that believes in that crap. I do, however, find it ridiculous that schools like George Mason and Erskine are in the tournament and literally a top 5 team isn't, or a top 6 team isn't, because they play in such a brutal conference they can't get in. That's why, sooner rather than later, there will be expansion.
I'm thrilled that the Big West did this, because it's going to open up expansion, and more legitimate teams will get in as a result.
Volleyball isn't played on a rating system. The RPI for men's (and even women's) volleyball is a joke. If you know anything about college volleyball you know that. Ohio State had a much more difficult time with George Mason in the NCAA Tournament than they did with BYU in the NCAA Tournament. BYU went 3-1 against Stanford and UCSB, so no, I'm not sold that Stanford or UCSB would absolutely do better than George Mason.
I get it. You want like half of the men's volleyball programs to make the NCAA Tournament. These kids work really hard in the classroom and in the gym so give them their participation invite into the NCAA Tournament because they're a hard working group of people. Personally I don't see any need to bring 10 (weird number, not sure what kind of schedule you want there) teams into the NCAA Tournament and be away from school during the entire Finals week for almost all schools.
Why should the top 10 teams in NCAA men's volleyball all get the chance to participate in the NCAA Tournament? That's absurd. Let's put 30% of all programs in the NCAA Tournament. Awesome. Like I said, let's go with 100 basketball teams in the NCAA Tournament. Let's make a 50 team NCAA football tournament. And while we're at all this let's remove all auto bids and just make it 100 and 50 at large bids going to the highest ranked teams based on some computer numbers that only care about who you play and where you play them and not on results. That sounds like an awesome way to run college sports. Invite everyone and rank based on some algorithms. Great.
Monmouth was going to get a 14 or 15 seed as an at large? That'd be new. Holy Cross and Monmouth have to do with this because it's the worst team in the NCAA basketball field and the biggest snub, just like Erskine and Stanford are the worst team in the field and the biggest snub for men's volleyball.
There are 2 or 3 teams in any given year that can win the men's volleyball title. Inviting everyone for trying hard isn't going to change the result.
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And about the NCAA having 8 teams in beach volleyball yet less than 40 overall teams.....
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Volleyball isn't played on a rating system. The RPI for men's (and even women's) volleyball is a joke. If you know anything about college volleyball you know that. Ohio State had a much more difficult time with George Mason in the NCAA Tournament than they did with BYU in the NCAA Tournament. BYU went 3-1 against Stanford and UCSB, so no, I'm not sold that Stanford or UCSB would absolutely do better than George Mason.
I get it. You want like half of the men's volleyball programs to make the NCAA Tournament. These kids work really hard in the classroom and in the gym so give them their participation invite into the NCAA Tournament because they're a hard working group of people. Personally I don't see any need to bring 10 (weird number, not sure what kind of schedule you want there) teams into the NCAA Tournament and be away from school during the entire Finals week for almost all schools.
Why should the top 10 teams in NCAA men's volleyball all get the chance to participate in the NCAA Tournament? That's absurd. Let's put 30% of all programs in the NCAA Tournament. Awesome. Like I said, let's go with 100 basketball teams in the NCAA Tournament. Let's make a 50 team NCAA football tournament. And while we're at all this let's remove all auto bids and just make it 100 and 50 at large bids going to the highest ranked teams based on some computer numbers that only care about who you play and where you play them and not on results. That sounds like an awesome way to run college sports. Invite everyone and rank based on some algorithms. Great.
Monmouth was going to get a 14 or 15 seed as an at large? That'd be new. Holy Cross and Monmouth have to do with this because it's the worst team in the NCAA basketball field and the biggest snub, just like Erskine and Stanford are the worst team in the field and the biggest snub for men's volleyball.
There are 2 or 3 teams in any given year that can win the men's volleyball title. Inviting everyone for trying hard isn't going to change the result.
Hog wash that there are 2 or 3 teams in any given year that can win it. Complete hog wash. Who is asking to invite everyone? Why the hyperbole again? Since when is adding TWO more teams, top 10 teams in the country = everyone? Good Lord.
You don't like the RPI, fine....use your media poll or the coaches poll, both of them put Stanford and UCSB above those schools. Their expertise says the same thing.
No, you don't get it....I don't want half the volleyball teams in the NCAA field. Right now I'm talking about going from 6 to 8, maybe a bit further. No, you clearly don't get it.
Why is it absurd to have the top 10 teams in volleyball participate in the NCAA tournament? Your statement...please, tell me why it is ABSURD, especially when we have NON TOP 10 teams playing. This ought to be good.
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Hog wash that there are 2 or 3 teams in any given year that can win it. Complete hog wash. Who is asking to invite everyone? Why the hyperbole again? Since when is adding TWO more teams, top 10 teams in the country = everyone? Good Lord.
You don't like the RPI, fine....use your media poll or the coaches poll, both of them put Stanford and UCSB above those schools. Their expertise says the same thing.
No, you don't get it....I don't want half the volleyball teams in the NCAA field. Right now I'm talking about going from 6 to 8, maybe a bit further. No, you clearly don't get it.
Why is it absurd to have the top 10 teams in volleyball participate in the NCAA tournament? Your statement...please, tell me why it is ABSURD, especially when we have NON TOP 10 teams playing. This ought to be good.
It is absurd to have 10 teams in the NCAA Tournament because there are less than 40 teams in NCAA men's volleyball. When teams play 60% of all NCAA teams in the regular season like they do now and they don't prove they belong playing in the NCAA Tournament throughout that regular season there is no need to make a participation invite. If you want make the Tournament you have beyond plenty of opportunities to do so. If you don't it's not the lack of a participation invite. It's you not being good enough to win an NCAA Championship.
What do you want them to do? Do you want to have schools send their teams out to a neutral location for a full week to play in front of 300 fans at $5 a ticket? Yeah, I'm sure the NCAA would be thrilled to foot that bill. Once again, absurd.
You have non top 10 teams in and top 10 teams out because non top 10 teams won their conference tournament and got an invite. Well earned. Happy for them. Teams out west that weren't good enough to do that now have a new opportunity with a weaker conference. Hopefully it works out for them.
Why do you have sub 240 RPI men's basketball teams in the NCAA Tournament while teams with an RPI better than 75 miss it? Denominators, fella. Denominators.
Inviting more teams for working hard isn't the answer.
You can pretend UCSB kids got snubbed out of a chance for an NCAA title, but they never had a shot. When you go 0-7 against teams that made the field from your conference, none of which won the Title, the denominators in their 0.000% winning percentage against those teams suggests they had ample opportunity to prove they belonged but never did so. Denominators.
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With boys Nationals wrapping up today, Balboa Bay won the National Title at 14s, 15s, 17s, and 18s. The coach of the only team that didn't win the Title for them (16s - 5th place finish) has 5+ National Titles to his name, so I think he'll be okay.
Absolutely insane.
Also, USA men's onto the Finals and in 2nd place in the World League. Only loss was to Brazil, who took it to them in Rio in the first weekend. Struggled with some of the worse teams but swept both Italy and Russia the past 2 weekends. Aaron Russell looked horrible the first 7 matches of the tournament but played extremely well the last 2 matches. He could be the difference maker between a Gold Medal at the Olympics or a quarterfinal loss.
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Some recruits for Marquette from 2017 and beyond:
Elizabeth Orf, a 6-3 Class of 2017 MB/RS from Villa Duchesne HS in St. Louis and St. Louis CYC, recently committed to the Marquette Golden Eagles.
Sarah Rose, a 5-8 Class of 2017 setter from York HS (IL) and 1st Alliance VBC, has committed to Marquette University.
Hope Werch, a 6-1 Class of 2017 OH from Neenah HS (WI) and Wisconsin Volleyball Academy, has committed to Marquette.
Claire Mosher, a 5-10 Class of 2018 setter from Waterloo HS (WI) and Milwaukee Sting VBC, has committed to Marquette.
Katie Schoessow, a 5-4 Class of 2018 libero from Mukwonago HS (WI) and Milwaukee Sting VBC, has committed to Marquette.
Ellie Koontz, a 6-2 Class of 2018 RS from the Academy of Holy Angels (MN) and Mizuno Northern Lights VBC, has committed to Marquette University.
My daughter has played against the first three, so I've seen them play. Don't honestly remember any except Orf. The teams that Orf has played on (St. Louis CYC in the past, but Rockwood Thunder this year) have been one of my favorite teams at the 2017 level -- and the best team to never win a national championship. They went on a run when they were 15 or so when they won somewhere in the neighborhood of five consecutive qualifiers -- a feat that I haven't seen matched by anyone. But they've never managed to get it done at Nationals. She's definitely a winner and will be great for Marquette.
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From Prepvolleyball.com as they start turning their attention to college again now that club season has ended:
3. Kansas was a team no one saw coming last year. Is there a program like that this fall?
It’s a trick question, because if I had an answer, then we would see it coming. Still, it’s an interesting topic to explore. How to guess Kansas was going to explode on the scene like it did? And even then, Kansas’ legitimacy was questioned until almost beating Texas in the second meeting. At that point, it was still hard seeing Kansas reaching the Final Four.
The Jayhawks missed out on the Top 25 in 2014, gaining seven votes and landing in the others category. With that in mind, here are the teams that just missed the Top 25 in 2015 and were stuck in others – San Diego, Missouri, Kentucky, Michigan State, Arkansas State, Arizona, American, Long Beach State, Wichita State, Marquette and Iowa State.
Marquette, with nine votes, and Iowa State, with three, are most similar to Kansas’ position last year in terms of final votes. Of the two, Marquette stands a better chance of being the one to break through, though the odds of a Final Four run remain low. Marquette did add Milwaukee Sting teammates Allie Barber (6-5, MB) and Madeline Mosher (6-0, OH) to the mix this season and still have sophomore Taylor Louis (6-2, OH), so perhaps a postseason push isn’t far off.
Of the remaining teams from others, Michigan State would be the best pick of reaching the Final Four. The Spartans need to stay healthy. If that happens, everyone returns and a playoff charge is possible.
Ultimately, I predict we won’t see a team like Kansas in 2016, but rather familiar faces.
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Find it funny how they mention if Michigan St. stays healthy. That's where Autumn went last year and she busted her knee early in the season.
Really with she would have stayed. Her and Louis on the outside would have been sick.
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What's the lineup the US rolls with for the olympics?
S: Christenson
L: Shoji
OH: Sander
OH: Russell
MB: Holt
MB: I guess Lee
RS: Anderson
Really need some of those young middles from Loyola and other places to start making their way into the program.
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What's the lineup the US rolls with for the olympics?
S: Christenson
L: Shoji
OH: Sander
OH: Russell
MB: Holt
MB: I guess Lee
RS: Anderson
Really need some of those young middles from Loyola and other places to start making their way into the program.
That'll be the lineup. Russell started to play more like the Russell we saw in his first year with the international team towards the end of the World League. He's the X factor. If he's playing well the USA will medal, possibly even gold. If he's off it'll be a struggle. And I hope it's not a super long leash, as Jaeshke's ceiling is lower but his floor is a lot higher and when Russell is down, he doesn't often seem to find himself working his way up. Speraw, for whatever reason, has subbed Troy in for Anderson far too early in matches in the World League, in my opinion. Hopefully he was just doing that to prepare Troy in case of injury to Anderson come the Olympics. Anderson needs to be the best player on the court.
Lee is still a stud but this is his last hoorah. Smith is solid but not spectacular, definitely a good 3rd middle. Olson and Kaminsky are going overseas so we'll see if either of them progresses to the point of being in the gym with the international team in the coming years. My guess is Stadick is playing with/starting on the international team come the 2020 Olympic games. I would be shocked if Speraw didn't push him to skip his senior year to play internationally the year before the 2020 Olympics like he did Jaeshke.
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http://www.nbcolympics.com/live-stream-schedule/volleyball
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Absolutely disgraceful. Couldn't pass, couldn't serve, couldn't block. What an embarrassing performance. Hopefully this lights a fire under their ass.
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I thought that the USAW's coach kinda looked like Jerry Wainwright, and then to my disappointment, discovered that it was actually my youthful crush (and former hottie) Karch Kiraly.
(http://mgtvwcmh.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/karch-kiraly-us-womens-preview-image.png?w=350&h=200&crop=1)
(http://www.govivaspeakers.com/wp-content/uploads/karch-kiraly-passing.jpg)
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I've been holding off my lunch break at work to catch as much of the match live as I can. Before I waste time getting up to get to a TV, can anybody confirm that the match will be on NBC? Would anybody mind posting on here once the match starts? Limited time, want to see as much of it as I can. Thanks much.
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I've been holding off my lunch break at work to catch as much of the match live as I can. Before I waste time getting up to get to a TV, can anybody confirm that the match will be on NBC? Would anybody mind posting on here once the match starts? Limited time, want to see as much of it as I can. Thanks much.
Towards the end of the first set right now. Stupid NBC has missed 6 points because of playing commercials in the middle of the set.
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First set just ended.
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Towards the end of the first set right now. Stupid NBC has missed 6 points because of playing commercials in the middle of the set.
First set just ended.
Thanks. Was able to watch the whole first set. Missed opportunities.
Now just listening to the arena noise with the stream in the background of my computer trying to guess who scored.
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Still a ways away but that could have been a match saving rally.
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Ah, well, at least the USA still has basketball.
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Ah, well, at least the USA still has basketball.
And women's volleyball.
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I thought that the USAW's coach kinda looked like Jerry Wainwright, and then to my disappointment, discovered that it was actually my youthful crush (and former hottie) Karch Kiraly.
(http://mgtvwcmh.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/karch-kiraly-us-womens-preview-image.png?w=350&h=200&crop=1)
(http://www.govivaspeakers.com/wp-content/uploads/karch-kiraly-passing.jpg)
Not well preserved, ai na?
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Years in the sun dried out his skin. I suspect he can still whup most of us.
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Not well preserved, ai na?
My guess is he's in decent shape for a 55 year old.
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For as awesome as Micah is, Bruno makes him look like the teenager he nearly is. And his connection with Pau Gasol ;) is special. Plus Sergio playing at the level he does at 40 years old is insane.
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For as awesome as Micah is, Bruno makes him look like the teenager he nearly is. And his connection with Pau Gasol ;) is special. Plus Sergio playing at the level he does at 40 years old is insane.
I thought the same thing about that middle. We sure Pau isn't Brazilian?
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Man, some crazy ass rally's for the international men's game. Sander with the solo right there was unreal.
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Volleyball is a funny sport
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Huge win. 3 points off of Brazil is gigantic. Need to get France on Saturday. Get your middles a little more involved, pass like you just did, serve like you just did, and you're moving on after a horrible start.
Will be sitting in a church in Chicago at a wedding during the start of the match on Saturday. Going to have to scope out the area beforehand so that I can immediately head to the nearest bar and catch the last half of the match between the ceremony and the reception.
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Never knew about the points system for volleyball. I agree with Sunderland though, if you lose you shouldn't get any points. Especially in a short tournament format.
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Never knew about the points system for volleyball. I agree with Sunderland though, if you lose you shouldn't get any points. Especially in a short tournament format.
I think it's good. With this type of format there can easily be a 3 way tie and if there were no point differentials it could get really messy. I'd rather award a team for pushing someone to 5 than to go to some crazy point ratio tiebreaker.
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After starting out 0-2 and heading into matches with Brazil (#1 in the world and at home) and France (#4 in the world), the USA is through, with a real chance of coming out the 2 seed in the group.
Italy has the 1 seed locked up. If Canada beats them today then the loser of France vs. Brazil is eliminated.
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And we draw Poland. That is the worst draw we could've received.
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Get the brooms out boys. Let's close this out in 3.
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In retrospect, not the worst matchup. I saw in the rankings that Poland is second in the world. Looked like we were just dominant today. Any reason in specific we overcame the odds? Was Poland out of sorts, or anything the USA did to topple the champs?
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Get the brooms out boys. Let's close this out in 3.
So let it be written; so let it be done.
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In retrospect, not the worst matchup. I saw in the rankings that Poland is second in the world. Looked like we were just dominant today. Any reason in specific we overcame the odds? Was Poland out of sorts, or anything the USA did to topple the champs?
Serve and pass game. US served and passed unbelievably, Poland missed a lot of their serves and shanked their passes.
Few other thoughts:
I love the commentary team of Sunderland and Barnett, and volleyball commentary usually annoys me because they don't know what they're talking about half the time
Losing the first two games may have been a blessing in disguise
Serving has been unbelievable the past few games. Gotta stay on top of the service game. Although truth be told, I loved the serve from number 23 from Poland. Awkward as hell but the toughest jump float I've ever seen.
Thank you to Eric Shoji for proving me wrong.
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So let it be written; so let it be done.
Hahaha
In retrospect, not the worst matchup. I saw in the rankings that Poland is second in the world. Looked like we were just dominant today. Any reason in specific we overcame the odds? Was Poland out of sorts, or anything the USA did to topple the champs?
I didn't think it was an unwinnable match, but it was the worst possible draw we could've gotten in that Poland was the best team in the other group, AND we stayed on Italy's side of the bracket. If we would've taken 4th we would've played a much worse Argentina team and then played a Russia team who is without one of its best players.
As far as the turn around, we're starting 5 guys who have never been to the Olympics. We definitely have the talent to win it all, the consistency just has yet to show up for this group. Even though we lost the Italy pool play match, I thought something clicked there. We played a good match but there was something still left to pull out of the hat. We're putting it all together now, including finishing sets (which is the one thing we didn't do against Italy).
Also, both Sander and Russell have had their "A" games the past 3 matches. If they continue to have theirs, look out. Before that, one would have an "A" game and the other would have a "D" game (including the World League).
Going in I thought the initial goal should be to medal this year and then Gold is the goal for 2020. Right now I think if this were played anywhere outside of Rio I'd call us the favorite to win Gold the way we're playing. Beating Brazil in Rio once is tough, but our backs were to the wall and theirs weren't. If we meet them in the Finals, that's a tough match. But keep playing this way and see where the chips fall.
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Serve and pass game. US served and passed unbelievably, Poland missed a lot of their serves and shanked their passes.
Few other thoughts:
I love the commentary team of Sunderland and Barnett, and volleyball commentary usually annoys me because they don't know what they're talking about half the time
Losing the first two games may have been a blessing in disguise
Serving has been unbelievable the past few games. Gotta stay on top of the service game. Although truth be told, I loved the serve from number 23 from Poland. Awkward as hell but the toughest jump float I've ever seen.
Thank you to Eric Shoji for proving me wrong.
Those two consecutive aces late in Set 2 were key.
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Serve and pass game. US served and passed unbelievably, Poland missed a lot of their serves and shanked their passes.
Few other thoughts:
I love the commentary team of Sunderland and Barnett, and volleyball commentary usually annoys me because they don't know what they're talking about half the time
Losing the first two games may have been a blessing in disguise
Serving has been unbelievable the past few games. Gotta stay on top of the service game. Although truth be told, I loved the serve from number 23 from Poland. Awkward as hell but the toughest jump float I've ever seen.
Thank you to Eric Shoji for proving me wrong.
They are great. They call it like it is. They aren't homers and they don't dumb it down too much. Those 2 and the 2 who do BYUTV are the best out there (though BYU's are big homers, but still very knowledgeable).
And yes, you just caught a bad match for Shoji. He's a stud.
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I've watched far more volleyball (men's and women's) the past week than I usually ever do. Thanks for the commentary, wades. I grasp the basics, but definitely a passive fan at best.
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I've watched far more volleyball (men's and women's) the past week than I usually ever do. Thanks for the commentary, wades. I grasp the basics, but definitely a passive fan at best.
No problem. Our 2 outsides (the most important position in volleyball) are 23 and 24 years old, and our 3rd outside is 22. And our setter is 23. The only contributor that will likely not be back for the 2020 games is David Lee.
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Wow.
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Wow.
Yeah...damn. I saw a tweet that it had gone to the 5th, and when I turned it on USA was up 10-7. They got out scored 8-3 down the stretch. Bummer.
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Yeah...damn. I saw a tweet that it had gone to the 5th, and when I turned it on USA was up 10-7. They got out scored 8-3 down the stretch. Bummer.
Yup. 12-10 and you give up a 1-5 run to close it out. Yikes.
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Karch is going to need to change up the offensive system. This team should've won a gold medal. You can't run a men's system with a woman's team. They are different types of athletes. You don't have quick, explosive jumpers on the pins like a lot of the men's pin hitters are. Speeding them up just reduces their efficiency, even if it does allow a more solidly set block. I'll take my chances with an aired out Larson against a solid double block over a rushed Larson on a late closing middle. Same with the other pin hitters.
Happens in the men's game too. Taylor Sander is "only" 6'4" so if you throw a sky ball out to him he might struggle (though a 40+ inch vertical helps close the gap there). If you can run a consistent tempo ball to the pin with him (Micah can) you do and you let his explosiveness go to work. Same with the bic set. Aaron Russell, while very tall, is also an explosive, quick jumper, so you run more tempo to the pin to him as well. Anderson on the right is a big, slower giant out there (though still ridiculously athletic, but he doesn't get off the ground overly quickly). That's why you see the US men's team air out high balls to Anderson. If the block gets set up strong he's smart enough to see it and use the outside parts of the block. These are the sets the women's team should be making to all the pins, but they try to run tempo and it just doesn't fit.
Glass was always awesome at PSU, but she just doesn't look good internationally. Her back set is pretty awful at times. Then again, the tempo may just be too fast for what she's capable of.
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I am really starting to hate this Italian team. Whine about every little thing. Sick and tired of seeing these guys. How the hell we gave away a 15-8 lead...just dejecting.
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I am really starting to hate this Italian team. Whine about every little thing. Sick and tired of seeing these guys. How the hell we gave away a 15-8 lead...just dejecting.
Kinda wish they implemented the high school rules. A yellow card is a point for the other team.
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Wow...two great blocks.
21-21 in set 2. Go USA!
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25-9 in the 3rd. Up 2-1.
FINISH THEM!
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25-9 in the 3rd. Up 2-1.
FINISH THEM!
I'm with you on that. Set 3 was a thrashing of biblical proportions. Hopefully they can finish the job.
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Hopefully they can finish the job.
Damn!
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I'm not buying DOP San Marzano's anymore.
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Heart. Break. City.
We played young down the stretch.
2020.
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Holy crap, Marquette just beat #7 USC at USC. Sure your daughter doesn't wanna change her commitment StillAWarrior? ;)
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Freshman Madeline Mosher put a stamp in her collegiate debut with the match-winning kill as the Marquette University women's volleyball team got the 2016 started off on a high note with an upset victory over No. 7 USC 3-1 (16-25, 25-20, 25-20, 25-22) in the season opener on Friday evening.
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Holy crap, Marquette just beat #7 USC at USC. Sure your daughter doesn't wanna change her commitment StillAWarrior? ;)
I saw that. Very impressive win. Good for Marquette, and good for the Big East.
Unfortunately, Marquette was never an option for her. The easy explanation is that she was "off year" for them, as they very politely told her early in the process. But I'm not sure she's at the level they're at these days. Of course, as a biased parent, I think she could hang...but I'm not sure they'd agree. ;)
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Lost the first game 25-23. We served down 23-24 right into the net. UC Irvine leads 1 game to 0.
A handful of Warrior supporters here.
Go Marquette
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Lost the first game 25-23. We served down 23-24 right into the net. UC Irvine leads 1 game to 0.
A handful of Warrior supporters here.
Go Marquette
I actually think I saw you in the stands CBB. Or at least what I imagine you look like.
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Lady warriors fight back to win set 2 by a score of 25-18. All tied 1-1 in sets. Action shots on an iPhone not a good thing. They wouldn't let me in with my Canon - had to go back to the car. Considering where USC is located, there is a 40% chance the camera is stolen by the end of this match.
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I actually think I saw you in the stands CBB. Or at least what I imagine you look like.
(http://a66.tinypic.com/wjyv6p.jpg)
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Warriors 25, UCI 22.
2-1 MU leads
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Keep it comin', kin, hey?
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UCI brought the hammer in game 4. 25-17, wasn't that close. Trailed by 10 much of the set.
Final set coming up.
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MU wins final set 15-12. We were up 14-7 and it got a bit uncomfortable, but ultimate defeat.
Santa Clara next in two hours.
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Outclassed tonight against Santa Clara. Lost in 4 sets, but the Broncos controlled most of the match other than set 3.
The 4th set was never in question, but good two days for MU. We have some talent. #16 is a beast at times with her blocking and hitting. Mosher is young, has a bright future. Thought our libero played very well the first match, scrappy defense by her.
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Outclassed tonight against Santa Clara. Lost in 4 sets, but the Broncos controlled most of the match other than set 3.
The 4th set was never in question, but good two days for MU. We have some talent. #16 is a beast at times with her blocking and hitting. Mosher is young, has a bright future. Thought our libero played very well the first match, scrappy defense by her.
It was always gonna be tough only having two hours in between games. Good showing by then though. It's gonna be a two team race for conference.
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Final report from USC. The Trojans lost to Santa Clara today, and just got swept tonight to UC Irvine. 0-3 to start season for supposed #7 team. Preseason rankings are what they are - not reliable.
Goodnight all!
Go Warriors!
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Some recruits for Marquette from 2017 and beyond:
Elizabeth Orf, a 6-3 Class of 2017 MB/RS from Villa Duchesne HS in St. Louis and St. Louis CYC, recently committed to the Marquette Golden Eagles.
Sarah Rose, a 5-8 Class of 2017 setter from York HS (IL) and 1st Alliance VBC, has committed to Marquette University.
Hope Werch, a 6-1 Class of 2017 OH from Neenah HS (WI) and Wisconsin Volleyball Academy, has committed to Marquette.
PrepVB is releasing its top 100 players from 2017 this week and next -- 10 per day. Today's release revealed Werch at No. 78. Here's what they had to say:
"One of the purest six-rotation outside hitters in the class, Werch has an uncanny knack for the game. Long, rangy and athletic, she is a do-it-all type of player with the ball control of a libero, a live arm and a deadly jump serve. As a passer, Werch is as smooth as they come and, as an attacker, she is strong at either pin, off of one foot and has no problem attacking with tempo out of the backrow, which makes her a threat from anywhere. She has all the shots and attacks with incredible efficiency no matter the tempo. Werch has been an All-State player for Neenah High School for three straight seasons, has led her team to the state tournament twice, and was an AAU All-American with her WVA club team this past summer. Needless to say, she’s a winner. Werch’s easy-going, but hate-to-lose attitude will make her one to watch at Marquette."
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PrepVB is releasing its top 100 players from 2017 this week and next -- 10 per day. Today's release revealed Werch at No. 78. Here's what they had to say:
"One of the purest six-rotation outside hitters in the class, Werch has an uncanny knack for the game. Long, rangy and athletic, she is a do-it-all type of player with the ball control of a libero, a live arm and a deadly jump serve. As a passer, Werch is as smooth as they come and, as an attacker, she is strong at either pin, off of one foot and has no problem attacking with tempo out of the backrow, which makes her a threat from anywhere. She has all the shots and attacks with incredible efficiency no matter the tempo. Werch has been an All-State player for Neenah High School for three straight seasons, has led her team to the state tournament twice, and was an AAU All-American with her WVA club team this past summer. Needless to say, she’s a winner. Werch’s easy-going, but hate-to-lose attitude will make her one to watch at Marquette."
And Orf is in at No. 39:
"One of the most dynamic middles in the class, Orf has a lightning fast arm, is quick in transition and has the ability to score from anywhere along the net. Her tenacious and spunky personality on the court and up-tempo style of play make her an incredibly fun player to watch. A tireless worker, Orf’s dedication to getting better helped her become a dominant blocker last summer for Rockwood Thunder and is making her an asset as a passer and defender this fall for defending state champion Villa Duchesne. Orf is the kind of player every team needs to have to be successful. She will do whatever it takes for her team on and off the court. A fun-loving player who lights up a room, Orf is sure to be a fan favorite at Marquette, where she has committed."
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PrepVolleyball wrapped up its annual Senior Aces list today and Marquette has the best class in the Big East by far. Prep names and ranks the top 100, and also names the "Next 150" without ranking them. Marquette had the two highest ranked recruits (39 and 78) in the conference and a couple others. Creighton also got two ranked recruits (98 and 99). The breakdown:
Marquette (4) (39, 78, +2 Next 150)
Creighton (2) (98, 99)
Butler (2)
Xavier (2)
Georgetown (1)
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Huge win for Marquette last night, taking down the mighty Hoyas in four. ;)
I saw the last two sets on the computer (note: not the sets to watch if you're rooting for GU...wow...that's hard to type...gonna take some getting used to). Marquette looked good; GU looked horrible. I'm still trying to figure out how GU swept Villanova in Philly last weekend.
If anyone can get information about the Marquette program, I'd really like to hear how that girl who left the floor on the last point of the match is doing (Geoffroy). She ran into another player (Mosher) and took a shot to the head and staggered off the floor in the middle of the point while play was going on around her. I've never seen anything quite like it (see the point here (http://www.gomarquette.com/collegesportslive/?media=535310) at 1:52:57). Most of these kids playing sports at this level are warriors and don't just walk away from the action. It was really disconcerting to see and I hope to hear she's just fine. Hope Mosher's OK too because she also looked a little dazed.
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Huge win for Marquette last night, taking down the mighty Hoyas in four. ;)
I saw the last two sets on the computer (note: not the sets to watch if you're rooting for GU...wow...that's hard to type...gonna take some getting used to). Marquette looked good; GU looked horrible. I'm still trying to figure out how GU swept Villanova in Philly last weekend.
Especially after Nova beat Marquette in a hell of a match on Saturday.
If anyone can get information about the Marquette program, I'd really like to hear how that girl who left the floor on the last point of the match is doing (Geoffroy). She ran into another player (Mosher) and took a shot to the head and staggered off the floor in the middle of the point while play was going on around her. I've never seen anything quite like it (see the point here (http://www.gomarquette.com/collegesportslive/?media=535310) at 1:52:57). Most of these kids playing sports at this level are warriors and don't just walk away from the action. It was really disconcerting to see and I hope to hear she's just fine. Hope Mosher's OK too because she also looked a little dazed.
Geoffroy started and played in all three sets against Villanova, although she only recorded three digs. Then again, she only averages 2.11.
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Geoffroy started and played in all three sets against Villanova, although she only recorded three digs. Then again, she only averages 2.11.
Thanks. I'm happy to hear that.
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Thanks. I'm happy to hear that.
Minor update: played in three of four sets. Still started, though, and seemed to be suffering no ill effects on the sideline.
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UW just got SMOKED by Nebraska. Nebraska plays more like a men's team than any women's college team I think I've ever seen. Hard to see anyone beating them.
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UW just got SMOKED by Nebraska. Nebraska plays more like a men's team than any women's college team I think I've ever seen. Hard to see anyone beating them.
Last year we were at Nebraska for a football game, didn't know it until later but the women's volleyball team had a match the night before. My dad and I were very disappointed we missed it.
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Last year we were at Nebraska for a football game, didn't know it until later but the women's volleyball team had a match the night before. My dad and I were very disappointed we missed it.
I think tickets are very tough to come by at Nebraska's home matches. I'm pretty sure they sell out all the time. They average over 8,000 which is far and away the most for vb.
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I think tickets are very tough to come by at Nebraska's home matches. I'm pretty sure they sell out all the time. They average over 8,000 which is far and away the most for vb.
They gambled on moving games to the new building where men's basketball plays, and they're packing them in on a nightly basis. Shoutout to Nebraska for monetizing that operation.
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They gambled on moving games to the new building where men's basketball plays, and they're packing them in on a nightly basis. Shoutout to Nebraska for monetizing that operation.
Actually when the new arena was built where Nebrasketball plays they cleaned up the Devaney Center, basketball's former home, that was a dump, took out some seats, remodeled and made it sustainable for volleyball.
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Actually when the new arena was built where Nebrasketball plays they cleaned up the Devaney Center, basketball's former home, that was a dump, took out some seats, remodeled and made it sustrightble for volleyball.
Ah. I read an article about their attendance in the not distant past talking about booming their attendance capacity with a move and just presumed it was to the new building.
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My friend was in DC over the weekend to run the Marine Corp Marathon. Saturday evening he sent me a text with a team photo of the Marquette Volleyball team. Apparently they were staying at the same hotel as him. Looks like they beat Georgetown also.
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My friend was in DC over the weekend to run the Marine Corp Marathon. Saturday evening he sent me a text with a team photo of the Marquette Volleyball team. Apparently they were staying at the same hotel as him. Looks like they beat Georgetown also.
Outside Creighton and Marquette, the Big East is pretty crape at volleyball. I mean, Villanova and Depaul are okay, but they struggle on a national level.
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Outside Creighton and Marquette, the Big East is pretty crape at volleyball. I mean, Villanova and Depaul are okay, but they struggle on a national level.
Villanova appears to be sliding backwards a little bit after making the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1997 last year.
DePaul might be trending up a little bit right now, but they're at 7 conference wins for the first time since 2001.
Also Xavier's been better than both of them since joining the Big East.
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Outside Creighton and Marquette, the Big East is pretty crape at volleyball. I mean, Villanova and Depaul are okay, but they struggle on a national level.
Look for Georgetown to ascend straight to the top of the conference next year. ;)
A guy can dream, right?
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Sam, Joey, and the Hauser dad (and a girl, is there a sister?) sitting at the WIAA boys volleyball championship. Told Sam he looked great last night. Very gracious and polite. Not sure what the connection is as it's Catholic Memorial vs. Marquette High and as far as I know neither has a volleyball background like Fischer did.
Match I believe is being stream online and is on TWC Sports channel starting at 6 PM. Hoping another little brother gets a State title tonight.
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His mom works for the WIAA. I think there was a tweet of her streaming the Rockhurst game during a WIAA event.
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His mom works for the WIAA. I think there was a tweet of her streaming the Rockhurst game during a WIAA event.
Yes someone mentioned that after my post. I believe she was announced as the assistant director of the WIAA or something. But that would explain it.
Unfortunately MUHS lost in 5 sets after winning the first 2. My brother will have another chance at a championship next year. Hopefully they can get it done next year.
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His mom works for the WIAA. I think there was a tweet of her streaming the Rockhurst game during a WIAA event.
http://host.madison.com/sports/high-school/prep-sports-stephanie-hauser-joins-wiaa-staff-as-assistant-director/article_4c7457a2-fb45-11e4-8930-ab2974224367.html
"Hauser’s responsibilities with the WIAA will include the administration and coordination of duties for the sports of cross country, track and field, gymnastics, volleyball and softball."
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6th straight trip to the Tourney! Congrats, ladies!
http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/volleyball-women_d1_2016.pdf (http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/volleyball-women_d1_2016.pdf)
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Marquette plays Washington State in Madison on Thursday. If they win that match they play Wisconsin (assuming they beat whatever terrible small school they play on Thursday) in Madison at 7 PM.
Occupy the field house, ai'na?
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MU women lose in 4 to Washington State in the first round of the NCAAs.
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Saw this on another message board in the "Coaches Seeking Transfers" thread:
"Marquettte University is in need of a hitter for the 2017 season. Scholarship available at semester. Athletes with their release should email them to Meghan Keck at meghan.keck@marquette.edu"
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Taking two of my daughters to Columbus Saturday to see the National Championship match. If I were a betting man, I'd say we're going to see Nebraska try to defend its national championship against Minnesota. And fail. Of course, I probably just guaranteed that we'll watch Texas vs. Stanford in the final.
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Saw this on another message board in the "Coaches Seeking Transfers" thread:
"Marquettte University is in need of a hitter for the 2017 season. Scholarship available at semester. Athletes with their release should email them to Meghan Keck at meghan.keck@marquette.edu"
Weird considering only one starting front row player is graduating. Someone has gotta be gone.
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Figurin' Wojo oughta try dis chit too. Why not, hey?
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Taking two of my daughters to Columbus Saturday to see the National Championship match. If I were a betting man, I'd say we're going to see Nebraska try to defend its national championship against Minnesota. And fail. Of course, I probably just guaranteed that we'll watch Texas vs. Stanford in the final.
What's the matchup, Nebraska vs. who and Minnesota vs. who?
Stanford is great. I texted some people at like 14-10 UW set 1 and said Stanford takes this match. UW tries running such a fast offense they're prone to hitting errors and rely on being able to get those points back by being bigger and more athletic on the pins and getting blocks or forcing other teams into their own errors. Stanford was so much bigger than them and just kept the ball in play. Starting 4 freshman on a Final Four team? Uhh...wow. That libero? Unreal! Much more impressed with her than Carlini, who I find incredibly overrated. Carlini is the James Shaw of women's volleyball.
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What's the matchup, Nebraska vs. who and Minnesota vs. who?
Stanford is great. I texted some people at like 14-10 UW set 1 and said Stanford takes this match. UW tries running such a fast offense they're prone to hitting errors and rely on being able to get those points back by being bigger and more athletic on the pins and getting blocks or forcing other teams into their own errors. Stanford was so much bigger than them and just kept the ball in play. Starting 4 freshman on a Final Four team? Uhh...wow. That libero? Unreal! Much more impressed with Carlini, who I find incredibly overrated. Carlini is the James Shaw of women's volleyball.
Semis are Nebraska vs. Texas and Minnesota vs. Stanford. It should be fun. My girls are really looking forward to it...and so am I. I'd love to see the semis too, but can't really get down there Thursday night. This past Friday and Saturday really had some fantastic volleyball. On Friday, Penn State had two match points against Nebraska in Set 3, and then dropped the match. Ohio State had Wisconsin on the ropes, and then fell. And you saw the Stanford comeback. Some really great volleyball. I hope the championship is one for the ages.
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Semis are Nebraska vs. Texas and Minnesota vs. Stanford. It should be fun. My girls are really looking forward to it...and so am I. I'd love to see the semis too, but can't really get down there Thursday night. This past Friday and Saturday really had some fantastic volleyball. On Friday, Penn State had two match points against Nebraska in Set 3, and then dropped the match. Ohio State had Wisconsin on the ropes, and then fell. And you saw the Stanford comeback. Some really great volleyball. I hope the championship is one for the ages.
Awesome, those should be some great matches. I didn't see a ton of the Texas/Creighton match but I think Nebraska should get through Texas fairly easily. The other semifinal should be really close. If Stanford can force the freshman outside on Minnesota to take a lot of swings Stanford will be in great shape. I've only seen them play 2 or 3 matches but I can't recall her ever hitting any shot other than cross court to the T of the 10 foot/sideline right into the libero, except that she hits it long/out of bounds a ton. If I'm Stanford's coach I'm trying to line my gigantic right side up with the other outside as the freshman doesn't scare me one bit. Stanford's freshman libero has impressed me more than any other player I've watched in this tournament. She's not the best player, but for a freshman, wow. Always makes the right move at the right time, just not always close enough to make the play on the ball. She's really impressive though. Minnesota defensively as a whole is phenomenal. Should be some great rallies.
Anyways, the finals will be an awesome match whatever it is. If Stanford does get through Minnesota and faces Nebraska Amber Rolfzen could set some NCAA Finals records (of which I have no idea what they are). I hate Stanford's blocking scheme with the spread block, keep your pin blockers out wide and leave your middle blockers on an island. I haven't seen Stanford play a whole lot in past years so I don't know if that is just the system the coach uses or if he doesn't trust all the freshman to be able to read the game at the speed of the game while being so young. But if that's the matchup I am force feeding Rolfzen all over the court, and then running bics right over the top of it to her sister.
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Stanford is going to need to keep their middles involved in this match. Minnesota's defense is too good.
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Of course the Minnesota freshman OH is 5 for 9 with 0 errors. Good call on my part :o
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Both sides need to tighten up the serve reception. Whichever team can do that will win the match. Both playing good defense and transitioning decently.
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By, "I think Nebraska should get through Texas fairly easily," I obviously meant, "Texas will smoke Nebraska."
Shocking.
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Taking two of my daughters to Columbus Saturday to see the National Championship match. If I were a betting man, I'd say we're going to see Nebraska try to defend its national championship against Minnesota. And fail. Of course, I probably just guaranteed that we'll watch Texas vs. Stanford in the final.
And once again, the kiss of death. It's a gift...I guess. And that's why I'm not a betting man.
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Of course the Minnesota freshman OH is 5 for 9 with 0 errors. Good call on my part :o
Well, after going almost the entire first set at 5 for 9 with 0 errors (nearly a .600 hitting percentage), she made a hitting error to end the first set and then ended up 11 for 40 with 9 errors for a .050 hitting percentage. Yuck.
Some of these statistics are baffling to me. Wilhite took SEVENTY swings in a four set match. That is an insane number of attempts even in a 5 setter. But when the defenses are digging as many balls as those two teams did I guess it adds up.
Surprised to see Plummer down at a .104 hitting percentage. She's very impressive but you could see she was getting winded at points throughout the match.
I said that I was most impressed with the freshman libero at Stanford even though she's not the best player on the court, but the more I see her the more I think she might be the best player on the court. Inky is phenomenal but man, the libero plays with a ton of poise and no extra movement that you see pretty much everyone else have. 27 digs in a 4 setter. There are so many plays that 99.9% of volleyball players make a lot more difficult that she keeps simple and makes it into a routine play. A lot of defenders will see a hitter getting a big, aggressive approach and dig in early and be back on their heals. She stays tall, weight forward, makes the read and makes a move. Really fun to watch.
Texas is going to have a better chance to beat Stanford than Minnesota or UW did. A lot of volleyball minds think a fast offense makes it easier to beat the block but in my opinion both UW and MN ran their offenses too fast that left hitters no time to see the block or adjust to the set. They were just swinging into waiting hands and had no real chance to beat what is a very, very good blocking team. Texas has a little higher, slower paced offense and their pins are really good. If they're smart they'll use the perimeter of the block and use the tool quite a bit. UM and UW never had a chance at the tool with any consistency.
Should be a great match.
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Good first set. Something about Stanford. They don't make errors. They make you beat them and that's tough when you have such a big block and such a good libero.
Right now I think the setters are the difference. Couple key poor decisions at the end of set one by Texas and her location was off a bit.
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I'm dumbfounded at the adjustment Texas made out of their first timeout in the second set. You have setter, middle, outside front row. Stanford has their 6'1" setter and 6'6" OH front row with the freshman MB.
They come out and stack their OH and S to the right and keep their MB on the left, leaving the setter one real option (right side set to the OH) or a bic, and something they don't normally do.
Not only that but you are also moving what you just created as your only option away from the 6'1" block and into the 6'6" block. Yikes.
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Your adjustment is to take out your L1 and move your MB to the OH?! Yeesh!
Go with what got you there coach! You're in the National Title match for a reason. If Stanford beats you they beat you.
I understand that the MB played OH in high school and RS last year, but she's been practicing/playing as a MB all year and hasn't played OH for 2 years. That's terrible.
If the L1 struggles to start the 3rd set bring in an OH off the bench. Shifting your entire lineup just isn't the move to make.
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Guess this is why these coaches are paid the big $$$$.
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Weird considering only one starting front row player is graduating. Someone has gotta be gone.
I'm reading on another board that Taylor Louis and Amanda Green are transferring. That would certainly explain the need for a hitter.
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I'm reading on another board that Taylor Louis and Amanda Green are transferring. That would certainly explain the need for a hitter.
Knew Amanda would transfer, the second she didn't get the playing time she wanted she would be gone. Ever since high school she though she was better than she was.
What's with Marquette not being able to keep dominant outsides for more than two years? First Bailey and now Lewis?
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The volleyball community lost a great member today. Carl McGown passed away at 79 years old. 2 time NCAA champion coach at BYU. Would've never guessed he was that old. Had the pleasure/honor of having learned from him with the Gold Medal Squared clinics Lightning had put on for the club, so with only roughly 30 people and 2-5 GMS coaches attending, and putting in 24 hours of time with these coaches in a weekend, we had the chance to get fairly close with the coaches that put these on for us. Carl was at our first 2, which would have been December of 2010 and 2011. A great passion and energy for the game. A true pioneer and great mind when it came to volleyball, and an even better person. Him and his son (Chris, who put on probably 4 of the clinics and was a great friend to the Lightning program...would come and watch even our worst team at Nationals even though there was no chance in heck he was going to be recruiting kids to BYU from them) are truly great people. Thoughts and prayers out to the family.
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Knew Amanda would transfer, the second she didn't get the playing time she wanted she would be gone. Ever since high school she though she was better than she was.
What's with Marquette not being able to keep dominant outsides for more than two years? First Bailey and now Lewis?
The coach? Both were Bond's recruits.
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Loyola is going to be baaad this year. They might be down for a while. They got a godsend with last year's senior class. There's no way anybody could've seen Jaeshke turning into what he did, and then you had solid 4 year starters in Hutz and Olson. Disappointing to see they couldn't find a competent setter to come in knowing Hutz would be graduating.
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Green to Louisville (http://www.gocards.com/news/2017/1/9/womens-volleyball-amanda-green-joins-cardinal-volleyball-roster.aspx)
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Green to Louisville (http://www.gocards.com/news/2017/1/9/womens-volleyball-amanda-green-joins-cardinal-volleyball-roster.aspx)
Was kind of surprised because I remember Louisville winning the conference every year in the old Big East, then I saw their record last year. Not a loss if were being honest.
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Louis to re-join Bond at Iowa.
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PrepVolleyball wrapped up its annual Senior Aces list today and Marquette has the best class in the Big East by far. Prep names and ranks the top 100, and also names the "Next 150" without ranking them. Marquette had the two highest ranked recruits (39 and 78) in the conference and a couple others. Creighton also got two ranked recruits (98 and 99). The breakdown:
Marquette (4) (39, 78, +2 Next 150)
Creighton (2) (98, 99)
Butler (2)
Xavier (2)
Georgetown (1)
I just saw Marquette's press release (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/042517aab.html) on their 2017 class, and it looks like their recruiting class got decimated. Does anyone know what happened? I don't recall seeing any mention here.
Players who were previously reported as being part of Marquette's 2017 class that were not mentioned:
- Elizabeth Orf (6'3" MB from St. Louis) (Prep VB No. 39)
- Hope Werch (6'1" OH from Neenah) (Prep VB No. 78)
- Kortlyn Henderson (6'1" OH from Waco) (Prep VB "Next 150")
- Sarah Rose (5'8" S from Elmhurst) (I think a walk-on)
Players who were mentioned in the press release:
- Martha Konovodoff (5'7" L from Aurora) (Prep VB "Next 150")
- Gabbi Martinez (DS from Austin) (Nothing in Prep)
- Liza Kastrup (RS from Germany) (Prep doesn't rank foreign players)
- Kayli Trausch (6' MB) (a JC transfer who apparently originally started with Eastern Illinois in 2014)
Does anyone know what's going on? I haven't seen anything anywhere about these players changing. Orf still lists Marquette on her Twitter page, but I can't imagine that they'd release the article without mentioning the obvious gems of the class. I know nothing whatsoever about the German girl or the transfer -- they might be outstanding -- but on the surface this looks like the 2017 recruiting class took a huge hit. They went from clearly the best class in the Big East to a real question mark.
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I just saw Marquette's press release (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/042517aab.html) on their 2017 class, and it looks like their recruiting class got decimated. Does anyone know what happened? I don't recall seeing any mention here.
Players who were previously reported as being part of Marquette's 2017 class that were not mentioned:
- Elizabeth Orf (6'3" MB from St. Louis) (Prep VB No. 39)
- Hope Werch (6'1" OH from Neenah) (Prep VB No. 78)
- Kortlyn Henderson (6'1" OH from Waco) (Prep VB "Next 150")
- Sarah Rose (5'8" S from Elmhurst) (I think a walk-on)
Players who were mentioned in the press release:
- Martha Konovodoff (5'7" L from Aurora) (Prep VB "Next 150")
- Gabbi Martinez (DS from Austin) (Nothing in Prep)
- Liza Kastrup (RS from Germany) (Prep doesn't rank foreign players)
- Kayli Trausch (6' MB) (a JC transfer who apparently originally started with Eastern Illinois in 2014)
Does anyone know what's going on? I haven't seen anything anywhere about these players changing. Orf still lists Marquette on her Twitter page, but I can't imagine that they'd release the article without mentioning the obvious gems of the class. I know nothing whatsoever about the German girl or the transfer -- they might be outstanding -- but on the surface this looks like the 2017 recruiting class took a huge hit. They went from clearly the best class in the Big East to a real question mark.
I don't really know anything about women's volleyball recruiting, but could there be a spring and a fall signing period, and the players not mentioned had already signed and been announced in the fall, and the new players being mentioned are spring signings? Otherwise I have no clue.
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I don't really know anything about women's volleyball recruiting, but could there be a spring and a fall signing period, and the players not mentioned had already signed and been announced in the fall, and the new players being mentioned are spring signings? Otherwise I have no clue.
I count 7 seniors on last year's roster. It could very well be that all 8 of these ladies are going to be on the team next year.
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I don't really know anything about women's volleyball recruiting, but could there be a spring and a fall signing period, and the players not mentioned had already signed and been announced in the fall, and the new players being mentioned are spring signings? Otherwise I have no clue.
Mystery solved. Thank you. They had a release in early November that listed the others, and I missed it. I don't think most schools do that. I'm glad that's cleared up. Marquette is, after all, my second favorite Big East volleyball team.
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Mystery solved. Thank you. They had a release in early November that listed the others, and I missed it. I don't think most schools do that. I'm glad that's cleared up. Marquette is, after all, my second favorite Big East volleyball team.
So it sounds like they should have a really solid recruiting class overall then?
UWM played Minnesota in a spring match at Milwaukee Sting's facility about a month ago. Marv Dunphy's daughter was his GA when him and his staff came out to give us a clinic at Lightning with Chris McGown, so we got to know her and all the coaches there pretty well. She let us know they were playing there so I went and watched. My goodness does Minnesota have some physicality. Big, athletic girls at pretty much every position. Very disciplined blocking. Need to shore up their serve receive but if they do that they'll be back contending for a conference and national title again. Have never met Hughe but have heard great things about him. He definitely knows his stuff and has the very focused, yet you could see he also kept the mood pretty light.
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So it sounds like they should have a really solid recruiting class overall then?
Yes, it's a good class. Orf is really a nice player and a proven winner (although my daughter finally broke through and beat her for the first time this spring ;)). Lots of players coming in, and definitely some good ones. Marquette will be strong.
You heading to Columbus this weekend? My wife called today and asked me if I wanted to go (we're going to be in Columbus anyway for a VB tournament). I left it up to my kids to decide if we'll stay for the NCAA match, but I'd like to.
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Yes, it's a good class. Orf is really a nice player and a proven winner (although my daughter finally broke through and beat her for the first time this spring ;)). Lots of players coming in, and definitely some good ones. Marquette will be strong.
You heading to Columbus this weekend? My wife called today and asked me if I wanted to go (we're going to be in Columbus anyway for a VB tournament). I left it up to my kids to decide if we'll stay for the NCAA match, but I'd like to.
Outstanding on getting one on a team that has been tough to get to. And on Marquette having a good recruiting class. I was skeptical about the coaching hire after Bond left (for no real reason honestly, didn't know enough about the staff but just was skeptical), but it looks like it's been working out well so far.
I will not be in Columbus this weekend unfortunately. This is the first time in a long time I have no connections whatsoever to any of the teams out there. Have coached against some of the kids playing on each team, but never coached any of the players and don't have any type of relationship with any of the coaches. Was hoping UCI snuck in but Hawaii was the hot team in the MPSF down the stretch.
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Hope she's good enough to replace Louis.
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Somewhere Chicos is trying to tell anyone who will listen that BYU was the better team and just had one or two bounces go against them for the second sweep loss in a row.
Serve and pass game. OSU serves so dang tough, and BYU passes so dang badly. Szerszens is really, really good. His serve is international level good, very smart offensively, and he doesn't wow you with ridiculous digs out of the zone, but he is so, so good at staying middle/middle defensively and just making one move for a dig. While most middle back defenders at just about every level get really antsy back there and are moving all over the place based on where the set is going, he is as good as I've seen at the college level at just relaxing, letting the play play out, trusting his wing defenders, and digging the balls that are diggable. The other middle back defenders that are running all over the place might make one extra outstanding dig every match that Szerszens wouldn't, but Szerszens makes 5-10 that the other players wouldn't make just by standing where he should be.
Having a consistent right side option that can also play defense is absolutely huge too. Patch is so good offensively but sooooo bad defensively. Even blocking he's pretty poor. Johnson being available and consistent offensively just spreads the block so much.
BYU's passers let their hips fly forward so fast. They don't get an early read on the serve, are slow to react, and then let the ball get into their body and everything flies straight up as their hips fly forward.
5 of the last 7 NCAA titles to the MIVA/midwest. Pretty remarkable.
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Wades and I may not agree on football, but I think I can speak for both of us when we're all about that Midwest domination in volleyball. Ain'na?
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Wades and I may not agree on football, but I think I can speak for both of us when we're all about that Midwest domination in volleyball. Ain'na?
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It was a lot of fun to be at the match, and a great environment. It's always going to be special for a team to win a championship on its home court -- not to mention a repeat. It's a fun memory to have had an opportunity to see both the Men's and Women's championships this season.
It was a great crowd, but it's really a shame they didn't completely fill the building. The Ohio Valley Region (Ohio's region of USAV) was having its regional championships in Columbus over the weekend and they never said a word about the tournament. At the very least, they should have mentioned the match and had a sign or two. Even better, they probably could have sold some tickets. It certainly would have been more convenient for us if we'd have been able to buy tickets at the OVR tournament, rather than waiting in line at OSU.
But it was really fun to be there. My daughters had a ball. My youngest would be willing to entertain a marriage proposal from Ben Patch (in a few years, of course). And television simply does not do justice to how nasty Szerszen's serve is. Wow.
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It was a lot of fun to be at the match, and a great environment. It's always going to be special for a team to win a championship on its home court -- not to mention a repeat. It's a fun memory to have had an opportunity to see both the Men's and Women's championships this season.
It was a great crowd, but it's really a shame they didn't completely fill the building. The Ohio Valley Region (Ohio's region of USAV) was having its regional championships in Columbus over the weekend and they never said a word about the tournament. At the very least, they should have mentioned the match and had a sign or two. Even better, they probably could have sold some tickets. It certainly would have been more convenient for us if we'd have been able to buy tickets at the OVR tournament, rather than waiting in line at OSU.
But it was really fun to be there. My daughters had a ball. My youngest would be willing to entertain a marriage proposal from Ben Patch (in a few years, of course). And television simply does not do justice to how nasty Szerszen's serve is. Wow.
Really nice kid. Heard he went through a little rebellion against the Mormon faith, which is why he came home from his mission a year early. I would tell her not to hold her breath on that. You don't have to tell her why, if you're catching my hint...
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...if you're catching my hint...
I suspect everyone is catching it. Since you're mentioning it, I'd assume it's widely known. If not, feel free to edit your post and and I can still make sure to let my daughter down easy.
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I suspect everyone is catching it. Since you're mentioning it, I'd assume it's widely known. If not, feel free to edit your post and and I can still make sure to let my daughter down easy.
Yes it is well known. I'm not sure how large of a reason it is that he is leaving to play professionally early. Obviously being paid to play the sport has to be intriguing, but unless you are one of the very top players you aren't going to be breaking the bank. He has the physical skills to be that level of player but his defense has a long way to go. At this point I'd liken him to Vander Blue. He'll make some money but there's only so far he can go without significantly improving defensively (in Vander's case, improving his jump shot).
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http://ev9.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/SEGetEventList?groupCode=USAV&linkID=global-sears&shopperContext=&caller=&appCode=&RSRC=SCA&RDAT=WEB_VEN&_ga=2.161579199.2049839423.1494302275-735521242.1493599199
Great seats still available. I will be at the Saturday match. Awesome opportunity to see the 2 top ranked teams in the world and 2 of the 3 medalists at last year's Olympic games.
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MU needs to start a men's D1 program.
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MU needs to start a men's D1 program.
It came down to volleyball and lacrosse and lacrosse won out due to the new market of prospective students it opened up in the Northeast. As much as I'd love to have it, lacrosse was the right choice.
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MU needs to start a men's D1 program.
How much do you plan to contribute for scholarships? What women's sport do you suggest we add to stay in Title IX compliance, and how much are you going to contribute for those scholarships?
It's really easy to say "MU needs to [insert expensive idea here]", but everything takes money.
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How much do you plan to contribute for scholarships? What women's sport do you suggest we add to stay in Title IX compliance, and how much are you going to contribute for those scholarships?
It's really easy to say "MU needs to [insert expensive idea here]", but everything takes money.
Not that much for volleyball. Men's volleyball teams only get 4.5 scholarships.
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Not that much for volleyball. Men's volleyball teams only get 4.5 scholarships.
Yea, men's volleballl is pretty low budget. They already have the facilities and scholarships aren't a killer.
By as Chick alluded to, the big cost would come from finding a women's sport to pair with it. Which would probably be softball or field hockey. Two pretty expensive sports.
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Not that much for volleyball. Men's volleyball teams only get 4.5 scholarships.
I texted Joe True and told him to expect your $180K check. Plus another $200-$300K for coaches and travel.
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I texted Joe True and told him to expect your $180K check. Plus another $200-$300K for coaches and travel.
Already discussed it with Mike Broeker. Wouldn't have needed a personal check from me. Would've needed a better target audience to attract students to Marquette. Wouldn't get that in men's volleyball.
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It came down to volleyball and lacrosse and lacrosse won out due to the new market of prospective students it opened up in the Northeast. As much as I'd love to have it, lacrosse was the right choice.
It doesn't have to be the only choice. If midwest volleyball is up and coming, then any good players go elsewhere because there are so few Midwest schools playing. The cost for volleyball is small. The MU club men's team was ranked #1 this year and finished in the top 5.
Start a women's bowling team. Yes, that is a NCAA division 1 sport. Very low cost and takes care of the gender equity issue. Milwaukee used to be the bowling capital of the USA. We're made for it!!!
My daughter and I watched the NCAA championships on DVR tonight and it struck us how many times the announcers were saying he is from California, he is from Southern California, he is from the west coast, he is from California (a bunch of BYU players were from CA, so I may have mixed some up with the broadcast). There were some good Midwest kids (the young man from Wisconsin), along with the French kid and the setter from New York, but it struck me how only one kid on the OSU roster was from Ohio. Most from California or Pennsylvania, a few from Illinois. MU should start a program and will attract kids from other states, especially the west coast because of opportunities.
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It doesn't have to be the only choice. If midwest volleyball is up and coming, then any good players go elsewhere because there are so few Midwest schools playing. The cost for volleyball is small. The MU club men's team was ranked #1 this year and finished in the top 5.
Start a women's bowling team. Yes, that is a NCAA division 1 sport. Very low cost and takes care of the gender equity issue. Milwaukee used to be the bowling capital of the USA. We're made for it!!!
My daughter and I watched the NCAA championships on DVR tonight and it struck us how many times the announcers were saying he is from California, he is from Southern California, he is from the west coast, he is from California (a bunch of BYU players were from CA, so I may have mixed some up with the broadcast). There were some good Midwest kids (the young man from Wisconsin), along with the French kid and the setter from New York, but it struck me how only one kid on the OSU roster was from Ohio. Most from California or Pennsylvania, a few from Illinois. MU should start a program and will attract kids from other states, especially the west coast because of opportunities.
Yes there would be some players on the team that would not have otherwise considered Marquette if not for the opportunity to play D1/2 volleyball. But lacrosse is getting kids who do not play on Marquette's lacrosse team but are interested in the sport as a high school player from parts of the country that Marquette typically has not gotten students to apply from. Lacrosse is a preppy, wealthy, east coast sport. So while the high school sophomore from Raleigh, NC who plays lacrosse but won't be good enough to play at a division 1 college may not be on the team one day, he may be at a game where Marquette plays at Duke and gives them a good game and he looks into Marquette as a school.
Men's volleyball isn't the same way. You're either going to be traveling to areas you already get applicants from in the Midwest or you're heading out West where very few non potential athletes will look to leave SoCal for Milwaukee to be a common student at an expensive private college.
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Looks like a former Marquette DOVO and Milwaukee Sting coach has been charged (http://fox6now.com/2017/05/09/volleyball-coach-charged-with-sexual-assault-accused-of-touching-14-year-old-player-inappropriately/) with inappropriate conduct with a young player. Obviously disturbing. Sadly, we had a very similar case - right down to the McDonald's runs - with a local club coach.
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Looks like a former Marquette DOVO and Milwaukee Sting coach has been charged (http://fox6now.com/2017/05/09/volleyball-coach-charged-with-sexual-assault-accused-of-touching-14-year-old-player-inappropriately/) with inappropriate conduct with a young player. Obviously disturbing. Sadly, we had a very similar case - right down to the McDonald's runs - with a local club coach.
Wow, I actually knew him quite well at Marquette. Played volleyball with him more than a few times when I was going to the club team practices and had a couple classes together.
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Marquette just announced (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/052417aaa.html) a transfer from Miami: Anna Haak, a 6'1" OH. That makes nine new players next year (seven frosh and two transfers).
Prepvolleyball.com pegged Marquette's recruiting class as No. 21 this season:
21. MARQUETTE: Kortlyn Henderson, 6-1 OH, University (Waco, Texas); Martha Konovodoff, 5-7 DS, Rosary (Aurora, Illinois); Gabrielle Martinez, 5-4 DS, Westlake (Austin, Texas); Elizabeth Orf, 6-3 MB, Villa Duchesne (St. Louis, Missouri); Sarah Rose, 5-7 S, York (Elmhurst, Illinois); Hope Werch, 6-1 OH, Neenah (Wisconsin)
COMMENT: The Golden Eagles’ 2017 class is not only one of the biggest classes Marquette has ever had, it could be one of the strongest. Coming off the program’s sixth straight NCAA tournament appearance, head coach Ryan Theis expects this group to make an early impact on the continued success of the program. The combination of Orf (Senior Ace No. 39) and Werch (Senior Ace No. 78) will add plenty of excitement to the Marquette lineup. Orf is one of the best attacking middle blockers in the country. Werch, is a great attacker, but perhaps is even better known for her superior passing and defensive skills. Henderson, a relative unknown, is the most physical recruit in this class for the Golden Eagles. Touching well over 10 feet, Coach Theis expects big things from Henderson down the road. The small but mighty trio of Konovodoff, Martinez and Rose could possibly make the biggest impact for the Golden Eagles by helping to improve the team’s first and second touches. Rose has grown up in the gym and her volleyball IQ is second to none. Konovodoff and Martinez both are proven winners. Both are coming off national championship seasons with their club teams. Konovodoff made Prepvolleyball.com’s Top 250 Senior Ace list and Martinez was an AVCA high school All-American. In addition to these six, MU completes its freshmen class with 6-1 lefty RS Liza Kastrup from Germany. Kastrup will bring a wealth of international experience with her to Milwaukee. Additionally, Marquette will add collegiate experience in transfers Kayli Trausch (McHenry County College) and Anna Haak (University of Miami). With nine new faces in Milwaukee, Golden Eagle fans won’t want to miss out on all the excitement that’s to come for Marquette Volleyball.
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World League starts today. Haven't seen a roster for the US team but I gotta imagine the lineup will be pretty similar to the Olympics with the exception of Lee.
S: Christenson
L: Shoji
OH: Sander
OH: Russell/Jaeschke
MB: Holt
MB: ? Maybe Jendryk, don't really know who is still in college vs. who graduated or left early
RS: Anderson
Should be a fun tourney.
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World League starts today. Haven't seen a roster for the US team but I gotta imagine the lineup will be pretty similar to the Olympics with the exception of Lee.
S: Christenson
L: Shoji
OH: Sander
OH: Russell/Jaeschke
MB: Holt
MB: ? Maybe Jendryk, don't really know who is still in college vs. who graduated or left early
RS: Anderson
Should be a fun tourney.
They have basically a tryout roster. See who can perform at the highest level and who's overmatched. Most of the big name veterans are not on the roster while a lot of recently graduated college guys are. A lot of professional leagues go right up to the start of the World League so some veterans get a rest during it instead of going right into World League, and then right back to their professional team after it.
http://www.teamusa.org/usa-volleyball/usa-teams/indoor-volleyball/men/athletes-and-rosters
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No kidding. No Holt, Anderson or Russell may be ugly.
Patch and Jaeshke should be okay but middle is a big question mark.
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What a garbage lineup they decided to roll with today...
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Dan McDonnell is terrible. Why you play a 6'6" middle whose almost 30 in international volleyball is beyond me. Carson Clark hasn't been great today either. Let the kids play...
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The GOAT is hanging em up. Congrats to Marv Dunphy on an incredible coaching career.
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It's that time of year again...the season starts tomorrow. Pretty cool for the Marquette girls to be kicking off the season in Hawaii against some great competition. We'll know pretty early if they're strong this year. Hopefully they can match their early season success last year.
Here's the pre-season coaches' poll (http://www.bigeast.com/news/2017/8/2/womens-volleyball-three-time-champion-selected-no-1-in-bigeastvb-preseason-poll.aspx):
1. Creighton (9) 81 pts
2. Butler 66
3. Marquette (1) 62
4. Xavier 51
5. Villanova 46
6. St. John’s 43
7. DePaul 36
8. Seton Hall 35
9. Georgetown 21
10. Providence 9
Hard to argue too much with Creighton at the top. They're also ranked No. 9 nationally. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Marquette in the No. 2 spot when it's all said and done.
And don't sleep on the Hoyas. I think they're in for a big year and will move all they way up into that 7 or 8 spot (which, sadly, would be a big year for them)...maybe even to No. 6.
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Great win for the Warriors over Hawaii last night. If I'm not mistaken, the BEast went 12-1 on the first day of the season yesterday. Nice start.
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Creighton beats #3 Washington in 4 sets!
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Generally speaking, the BEast has a pretty good opening weekend, going 23-8. Hopefully the conference can do well to provide an RPI boost. Marquette over Hawaii and Creighton over UW were huge wins for the conference.
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Its just so frustrating that Marquette can't hold onto their best players. Autumn Bailey and Nele Barber a couple of years ago, and now Taylor Louis transferring this offseason.
Both Autumn and Taylor were on track to absolutely demolishing Marquette's all-time kills record. I just can't see Marquette volleyball ever getting past the opening weekend of the NCAA tournament.
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Once again, as a service to my fellow 'Scoop VB fans, I'll post the Big East recruits listed in Prep's Sr. Aces. Kicking things off...
86. Claire Mosher, 5-11 S, Waterloo (Wisconsin), Milwaukee Sting — Marquette
Also, in the "just missed" category (i.e., Nos. 101-125):
Sanaa Barnes, 5-9 RS, Byron Nelson (Trophy Club, Texas), Madfrog — Villanova
Ellie Koontz, 6-1 RS, Academy of Holy Angels (Minneapolis, Minnesota), Northern Lights — Marquette
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And for the true die-hard fans, my daughter's 5th grade team is playing today at 5pm against St. Cletus.
Tough game. Cletus may have three or four girls that serve overhand.
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And for the true die-hard fans, my daughter's 5th grade team is playing today at 5pm against St. Cletus.
Tough game. Cletus may have three or four girls that serve overhand.
I scouted Cletus last week. Serve it to the tall brunette.
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There's a saint named Cletus?
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Once again, as a service to my fellow 'Scoop VB fans, I'll post the Big East recruits listed in Prep's Sr. Aces. Kicking things off...
86. Claire Mosher, 5-11 S, Waterloo (Wisconsin), Milwaukee Sting — Marquette
Also, in the "just missed" category (i.e., Nos. 101-125):
Sanaa Barnes, 5-9 RS, Byron Nelson (Trophy Club, Texas), Madfrog — Villanova
Ellie Koontz, 6-1 RS, Academy of Holy Angels (Minneapolis, Minnesota), Northern Lights — Marquette
It took a few days, but we finally have more ranked players that are headed to the Big East. Unfortunately, in addition to crushing the conference last year, Creighton seems to be doing pretty well on the recruiting trail, too.
49. Jaela Zimmerman, 6-2 OH, Malcolm (Nebraska), VC Nebraska – Creighton
42. Keeley Davis, 6-0 OH, Rock Canyon (Highlands Ranch, Colorado), Momentum — Creighton
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Looks like a somewhat up and down season for MU so far. I don't know enough about the women's side to know how the teams we're playing against are, so maybe all the losses are to solid teams.
It looks like they play at undefeated/5th ranked Wisconsin tonight. Does anybody know if you can get "B1G2Go" with your standard cable subscription if you get normally BTN? I think I've tried to watch Minnesota (I know one of their assistants) and couldn't but I can't remember for sure. If not, does anybody know if the match can be found anywhere else?
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As long as it's not BTN+ BTN2GO is included with almost all cable packages.
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As long as it's not BTN+ BTN2GO is included with almost all cable packages.
It looks like it is BTN+. Live stats shows MU is about to go down 2-1 through 3 sets. 25-19, 13-25, and right now it's 20-23 set 3.
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Looks like a somewhat up and down season for MU so far. I don't know enough about the women's side to know how the teams we're playing against are, so maybe all the losses are to solid teams.
Just some information for you from a site that I subscribe to...in case you're interested.
In the site's human rankings, Marquette is in the "Others receiving votes," in the 39th spot. In the RPI-like* computer rankings that they publish, Marquette is 44th. Their average of the teams they've beat is 175; the average of teams they lost to is 23. They're 0-2 against top 1-25; 0-3 against 26-50; 0-0 against 51-100; 2-0 against 101-150; and 3-0 against 150+
That's probably far more information than you were looking for.
*The actual RPI isn't out yet this season.
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And here are the final tallies of Big East recruits that are listed among PrepVolleyball.com's Senior Aces -- the top 250 players. Prep names and ranks the top 100, and also names the "Next 150" without ranking them. So, in the list below, the first number in parenthesis is the number of Senior Aces a team recruited from the class of 2018. The numbers in the second parentheses is the specific rank of the player(s) and the number of "next 150". There are only three "ranked" recruits in the Big East for next year (compared with four last year). For the second year running, only Marquette and Creighton landed ranked recruits. It looks like Creighton has the best class this year.
Creighton (3) (42, 49 + 1 "Next 150")
Marquette (2) (86 + 1 "Next 150")
Villanova (1) (1 "Next 150")
DePaul (1) (1 "Next 150")
And here are the Big East recruits from last year's Senior Aces, in case anyone wants to compare consecutive classes:
Marquette (4) (39, 78, +2 Next 150)
Creighton (2) (98, 99)
Butler (2)
Xavier (2)
Georgetown (1)
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Not surprising. The Big East is such a poor volleyball conference Marquette should be dancing every year just by the sheer fact they win 15 conference games a season.
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Big win for the Marquette ladies today over #12 Creighton to put them in sole possession of first place in the Big East.
Also, they're pretty much guaranteed a NCAA tourney bid by this point.
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Big win for the Marquette ladies today over #12 Creighton to put them in sole possession of first place in the Big East.
Also, they're pretty much guaranteed a NCAA tourney bid by this point.
That is a fantastic win for the Marquette girls. Creighton is very tough. My daughter was very happy to even take a set from them a couple weeks go -- and got absolutely crushed in the other three sets. She said they are definitely the best team she's played this year. So...maybe Marquette is even better. Happy to hear that about my second favorite BigEast team.
The Big East is interesting this year. Marquette and Creighton are obviously the class of the conference. After that, it gets dicey. Georgetown is very frustrating because I think they actually could have a shot at finishing top four this year (or maybe I should put that in past perfect tense..."could have had") and making the conference tournament. They could easily have been 3-2 in conference right now instead of 1-4; but I fear their window is closing. Before, if they would have won the matches "they should have" I'd think they would be in the hunt for that No. 4 spot. Now, they're going to have to win all the ones they "should" and a couple that maybe they "shouldn't."
Anyway, I suspect nobody here cares about Georgetown specifically. The point being that I think that after Marquette and Creighton in 1&2 and probably Butler in 3, pretty much anybody could make the tournament in that fourth spot.
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Outstanding news on the big win.
I was at the Minnesota at Wisconsin match on Wednesday. Two top 10 teams. Wasn't overly impressed with either. Certainly good, but some big time holes and technical issues for teams that are ranked in the top 10 in the country in my opinion. The field house is a great place to have a volleyball match. It gets loud there.
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Through 6 league games Marquette has only lost 1 set. That's pretty impressive. 18-1
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Just some information for you from a site that I subscribe to...in case you're interested.
In the site's human rankings, Marquette is in the "Others receiving votes," in the 39th spot. In the RPI-like* computer rankings that they publish, Marquette is 44th. Their average of the teams they've beat is 175; the average of teams they lost to is 23. They're 0-2 against top 1-25; 0-3 against 26-50; 0-0 against 51-100; 2-0 against 101-150; and 3-0 against 150+
That's probably far more information than you were looking for.
*The actual RPI isn't out yet this season.
Out of curiosity, I looked up the current RPI for all of Marquette's losses. All 5 are currently top 25 RPI teams (5, 7, 16, 23, 25). Unfortunately, they only have 1 top 25 win (#8 Creighton), 1 top 50 win (#43 Hawaii) and 1 top 100 win (#83 Butler). The win against Creighton was huge for them.
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Out of curiosity, I looked up the current RPI for all of Marquette's losses. All 5 are currently top 25 RPI teams (5, 7, 16, 23, 25). Unfortunately, they only have 1 top 25 win (#8 Creighton), 1 top 50 win (#43 Hawaii) and 1 top 100 win (#83 Butler). The win against Creighton was huge for them.
The thing with Big East volleyball is they'll rack up 16 or so conference wins that the RPI won't really matter.
Marquette volleyball is pretty much a shoe-in for the NCAA tourney every single year because of a ridiculous conference record. The issue is they well never get a top 16 seed, and probably never get past the sweet 16, if that.
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I forgot to mention this in here but Loyola and Lewis men’s will be playing an exhibition match at the Al McGuire Center in November 11. I believe there is an MU women’s match at 6 PM and the men’s exhibition will follow that match, so around 8 PM.
I know when MU added lacrosse it was down to that and men’s volleyball. I’d have to imagine the only reason to host this would be if they are once again considering adding men’s volleyball.
The one big problem is that that is the night of the WIAA boys volleyball state championship. I believe the Finals usually start at 5:30? But I think I heard it’s at 6:00 this year. It’s at Wisconsin Lutheran College so it’s a very short drive away, but still the two teams playing, along with their families, I’d have to imagine will be doing post match celebrations/dinners and won’t be attending the exhibition.
I’m hoping the youngest of my brothers is getting the 4th volleyball state championship in our family that night in his senior season. Which would mean I wouldn’t be able to make the match.
But hopefully they get a good turnout and MU sees there would be support for men’s volleyball if they added it.
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I would love to see a Marquette men's volleyball team, but what would you add for a women's team?
I'd venture a guess the most feasible option would probably be women's field hockey.
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I would love to see a Marquette men's volleyball team, but what would you add for a women's team?
I'd venture a guess the most feasible option would probably be women's field hockey.
I would think Marquette would add Big East sports that they currently don't participate in before they would add a sport like men's volleyball, where only about 40 schools sponsor teams.
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I would think Marquette would add Big East sports that they currently don't participate in before they would add a sport like men's volleyball, where only about 40 schools sponsor teams.
I'd prefer they take the approach of adding a sport that fills a need that they can also maximize their ability to succeed. There are only a handful of midwest schools with men's volleyball, but some good high school talent. The scholarship limits for men's volleyball mean talent rich states like California only have so many openings to get scholarships. That is one reason why such good talent from volleyball rich states are playing for Ohio State, Loyola, BYU, and others. An opportunity for us to pull kids not only from Wisconsin and Illinois where we do so well, but from these other states and establish a very good program quickly. It also boosts enrollment as 15 or so of these kids will have to pay their own way due to lack of scholarship offer. The kids sitting on the bench at Penn State, OSU, UCLA, USC, could be starting at MU. Think Lacrosse.
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The day has arrived, and I have to admit it feels a little odd. For the first time in my life, I'll be rooting against Marquette today. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective), I'm pretty sure that I'll be disappointed. Marquette on a "normal" day would be pretty much an sure loser for Georgetown...but a pissed off Marquette team? Yea...this might be hard to watch.
I'd be willing to consider a wager if someone would be kind enough to offer 12 points per set. And even with that, I wouldn't bet too much.
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MU back on winning streak with win against the Hoyas.
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The daughter is playing at Marquette tonight. If I would have planned it properly, I'd be there for the match and the opener. Doh!
Already planning for a road trip next year with my middle daughter to be at MU for the match and also visit some schools.
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The daughter is playing at Marquette tonight. If I would have planned it properly, I'd be there for the match and the opener. Doh!
Already planning for a road trip next year with my middle daughter to be at MU for the match and also visit some schools.
If you’re in town early come check out the boys high school state volleyball tournament just down the road at Wisconsin Lutheran College. Going on all day. Roughly 90th and Bluemound.
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If you’re in town early come check out the boys high school state volleyball tournament just down the road at Wisconsin Lutheran College. Going on all day. Roughly 90th and Bluemound.
Unfortunately, not going to be in town for this one. Work schedule wouldn’t allow it. That’s why I’m planning early for next year.
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Hilltoppers with the state title! Whoop whoop.
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Was just at the Illinois girls state finals this past weekend. A lot of unbelievable players, and the final match between Marist and Minooka was as high quality of a game I've ever seen. (Well at least the first two sets)
Funnily enough though, the best player I saw all weekend came from class 2A (second smallest enrolment). Her name was Mica Allison from St. Thomas More. She's a 6'1" lefty setter/right side. Still can't decide if she's a better setter or hitter, and not in a bad way.
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Well, I can tell you that there is one coaching vacancy in the Big East, and I've heard rumors that there will definitely be one more. Maybe more.
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Well, I can tell you that there is one coaching vacancy in the Big East, and I've heard rumors that there will definitely be one more. Maybe more.
Chitown and I have some coaching experience.
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Also was anybody able to make the Lewis vs. Loyola match at the Al on 11/11? I wanted to go but was celebrating a state title in the family. Unfortunate timing.
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Chitown and I have some coaching experience.
Well, feel free to throw your hat in the ring. I'll put in a good word for you.
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Marquette just made it to their 7th straight NCAA Tournament as the bracket is coming out. They will be in Ames, Iowa versus Wisconsin Badgers.
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Marquette just made it to their 7th straight NCAA Tournament as the bracket is coming out. They will be in Ames, Iowa versus Wisconsin Badgers.
Also, they lost the Big East Tournament in a heartbreaker, losing in 5 sets to Creighton.
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Not related to Marquette, but Lexi Sun just rocked the NCAA VB world. The former national No. 1 recruit, who was a unanimous first-team all Big 12 as a freshman at Texas, is transferring to defending National Champ Nebraska. :o
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Not related to Marquette, but Lexi Sun just rocked the NCAA VB world. The former national No. 1 recruit, who was a unanimous first-team all Big 12 as a freshman at Texas, is transferring to defending National Champ Nebraska. :o
No need to sit out a year for volleyball as well. She will be eligible immediately.
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No need to sit out a year for volleyball as well. She will be eligible immediately.
Right. I think Sun's nickname should be "Little KD"
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Hey Wades,
Caught a UC Irvine game the other week forgot to ask, how did they open up s Midwest/Wisconsin pipeline. I knew Dante was on Irvine but there were like 3 Wisconsin kids in the lineup as well.
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Hey Wades,
Caught a UC Irvine game the other week forgot to ask, how did they open up s Midwest/Wisconsin pipeline. I knew Dante was on Irvine but there were like 3 Wisconsin kids in the lineup as well.
Hah. The short story is that their coach, David Kniffin, was an assistant under John Speraw at UCI before taking an assistant job with the Illinois women's program, so that is the Midwest connection. When Speraw took the UCLA job (his alma mater) Kniffin got the UCI head job (his alma mater).
There are a couple longer reasons for the Wisconsin connections. The first being that the player that really put Wisconsin volleyball on the map nationally, Jeremy Dejno, chose UCI because both Speraw was a great coach building a very good program and it is a good school, and he was looked up to by pretty much every boys volleyball player in the state so everyone was following his college career. So my guess is that is probably at least partly why Carl, the big right side, ended up there.
The 7' MB from Watertown, Scott Stadick, is a kid I coached when he was 14. He has two older sisters that played D1 volleyball. The older one played at Iowa State and was a starter on a solid team during her time. The younger one ended up going to Illinois while Kniffin was an assistant coach there, so not only did the entire Stadick family build a relationship with Kniffin, but the older sister ended up dating him and they are now married. So when it came time for Scott to go through the recruitment process UCI had a pretty big advantage.
The kid was insane. In terms of strictly defense he would've been been an above average college blocker by the time he was 16. He has done all of the youth USA teams (Junior National, Youth National, and I believe he even made the Pan Am roster last summer) and won the Best Blocker awards at a number of different international tournaments. He was ranked the #1 recruit in the country for his class 2 yers ago and his high school doesn't even offer boys volleyball. When we would be at big recruiting tournaments their court would be packed with college coaches. I would literally hear bystanders say, "He's not that good" when they'd see him offensively, and the coaches around would respond with, "Just wait until you see him block." UCLA's assistant coach used to ask us if we could give him a list of players to keep an eye on before he'd come out to scout Midwest tournaments. We obviously had Scott on our list when he was 15 and on but didn't want to hype him up too much since he was playing in our club and we didn't want to look like homers. He came up to as at the tournament and thanked us for the list, said it was a good list "except for Stadick." We asked him if he really didn't like Stadick and he was like, "No. You said he was good. Just good?! His nipples are above the net when he's blocking!" He's still not strong enough right now but if he fills out he'll be starting for the National team shortly out of college.
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UCI really effed that match up.
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UCI really effed that match up.
Thought both sides played very bad volleyball most of the match. The only thing OSU does well is serve very tough. When your setter can make Scherzens look not great you know you have a setting problem.
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Thought both sides played very bad volleyball most of the match. The only thing OSU does well is serve very tough. When your setter can make Scherzens look not great you know you have a setting problem.
Yea, if you're going to be a 6'0" setter you need to be absolute money like the kid from Hawaii. Heard a lot of nice things about him though. Speaking of, how did UCI get in over Hawaii?
Dante had a really rough ending as well. Really want him to do well because he's a really nice kid, but serving an easy jump float into the net and trying to pull off a setter dump off a perfect pass are such Dante moves. He has gotten better at not attacking too much but he really reverted in those last five points.
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Yea, if you're going to be a 6'0" setter you need to be absolute money like the kid from Hawaii. Heard a lot of nice things about him though.
Dante had a really rough ending as well. Really want him to do well because he's a really nice kid, but serving an easy jump float into the net and trying to pull off a setter dump off a perfect pass are such Dante moves. He has gotten better at not attacking too much but he really reverted in those last five points.
Yup. Coached against both of them my last year coaching. The OSU setter set for Ultimate the same age group that Dante set for Vortex. Dante was an athlete but very predictable. Their team was not well coached. He’s better than I thought he was going to be at Irvine though. Seems like a smart kid. The OSU kid just isn’t very good. But he’s setting in a national semifinal in 2 nights so good for him.
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Absolutely BRUUUUTAL setting again tonight. You have a 2 time National Player of the Year that is clearly the best player in the country hitting .452 and you give him the 3rd most swings on your own team. Every bail out ball was set high to a right side freshman with a noodle arm. In a 22-25, 23-25, 27-25, 30-32 match if you give Szerszens the ball in just a few of those out of system plays you win 3-1 instead of lose 1-3.
If you're going to be a short setter you need to be the smartest player on the court with great location. And you need to play lights out defense. I would give Thomas a D- for on court IQ, C- for location, and C+ for defense. Szerszens should have had twice as many attempts as OSU's second best hitter. Instead Hanes had 47 attempts (.234), Hervoir had 34 attempts (really good .412), and Szerszens had 31 attempts (.452). That's insanity.
I can see giving a guy hitting a lower percentage more attempts if that player is the senior 2 time NPOY who is just not having his best night but you're going to go down with your big gun getting the ball. For it to be a freshman getting all the attempts while the senior plays 3rd fiddle, YIKES! Some of that is on the coaching, but 90% goes to the setter.
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Who ya got in game 2?
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Who ya got in game 2?
I haven’t watched much of either of these two teams this year. Both programs seem to struggle in big matches the last couple years. BYU I think is a bit better but UCLA is Home in a National semifinal.
I’ll say BYU in a tight 5 setter and then LBSU (sadly) in 4 in the finals.
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I haven’t watched much of either of these two teams this year. Both programs seem to struggle in big matches the last couple years. BYU I think is a bit better but UCLA is Home in a National semifinal.
I’ll say BYU in a tight 5 setter and then LBSU (sadly) in 4 in the finals.
Side note, thank god it's not the Pac 12 stream tonight. That was rough to watch.
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Side note, thank god it's not the Pac 12 stream tonight. That was rough to watch.
Agreed.
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So has order been restored to the men's volleyball world now that two Southern California schools are playing for the National Title? Somewhere Al Scates is smiling.
Any talk of adding an extra at-large to the tournament now that the Big West has an auto bid? Would have liked to see Hawai'i get a shot in the tournament considering they were the only team to beat the Beach this season. Although they didn't do themselves any favors getting man handled in the Big West title game.
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So has order been restored to the men's volleyball world now that two Southern California schools are playing for the National Title? Somewhere Al Scates is smiling.
Any talk of adding an extra at-large to the tournament now that the Big West has an auto bid? Would have liked to see Hawai'i get a shot in the tournament considering they were the only team to beat the Beach this season. Although they didn't do themselves any favors getting man handled in the Big West title game.
They should've gone to 8 even before the MPSF split into 2 conferences in my opinion. The current format of 7 teams is the worst you could possibly come up with. OSU and Harvard would have had to win 4 matches to win the title while LBSU and BYU would've had to win 2 matches. UCLA looked better from the bit I saw of their match with BYU than LBSU did in their match against OSU, but LBSU overall has shown to be the best team in the country so far. It will be interesting to see what the crowd is like. UCLA is at home, but it's not like LBSU fans have far to travel. Hopefully both sides show up and they get some excitement in the building.
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Would rather not see Speraw win, but UCLA serving so well right now.
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Would rather not see Speraw win, but UCLA serving so well right now.
Said they, and now UCLA can't find the court from the serve to save their life.
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Speraw is a pretty good guy. Too philosophical in his coaching for my personal liking but clearly a very good coach. Doesn’t hurt that they sent some sweet UCLA gear my way for Christmas a couple years ago.
UCLA is far and away a much classier program. DeFalco is known to be as big of a d bag as you’ll find in volleyball. Tuaniga can be obnoxious and most of the LBSU staff just make it worse. They used to run a program that I believe got shut down by USAV because of the antics of the club. Believe they were banned for 5 years? And then i believe they made a new one after that and it isn’t much better.
Fun volleyball to watch though. Thought it was fairly clean, a lot of very impressive plays. Much better than the semifinals that I saw. UCLA needed to close out that fourth set. They had LBSU dead in the water. Once LBSU chipped away there was no doubt in my mind they were winning the match.
Ma’a is my favorite player to watch and Giymah is right up there. Missry has developed into a really good player from what was an all offense no defense guy in high school.
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Also a friend of mine sent a job posting for the MU Director of Volleyball Operations job. I have no interest in it as I think it would be a huge grind for little pay, but it would be kind fun just to send in an application.
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2018 schedule is not out yet, but I have the home part.
Women's Volleyball (Al McGuire Center - 15 matches)
Friday, Sept. 7 USC 7 p.m.
Saturday, Sept. 8 BYU 6 p.m.
Sunday, Sept. 9 Syracuse noon
Friday, Sept. 14 Wisconsin 7 p.m.
Saturday, Sept. 15 Tulsa 1 p.m. & Illinois State 7 p.m.
Friday, Sept. 28 Georgetown* 7 p.m.
Saturday, Sept. 29 Villanova* 6 p.m.
Wednesday, Oct. 3 Xavier* 11:30 a.m.
Wednesday, Oct. 10 Butler* 6 p.m.
Friday, Oct. 19 DePaul* 7 p.m.
Friday, Oct. 26 Creighton* 7 p.m.
Saturday, Oct. 27 Providence* 6 p.m.
Friday, Nov. 16 Seton Hall* 7 p.m.
Saturday, Nov. 17 St. John's* 6 p.m.
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Friday, Sept. 28 Georgetown* 7 p.m.
At least for now, I plan to be there for the Georgetown match. I'm really looking forward to it. I haven't been back to campus since about 1992...way too long. Looking forward to seeing the Al and all the other new facilities. It's hard to believe McCormick won't be there.
My middle daughter and I are going to take a college visit road trip to correspond with the Hoyas at MU (and at DePaul the following day). We'll visit MU, DePaul, Loyola and maybe one or two others. Based on what she seems to prefer, I think my daughter will really like Marquette.
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So Wades, a few days ago you said they should go to 8 teams for the men's volleyball tournament https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=42281.msg1021973#msg1021973.
But back in 2016 Chicos already made that same suggestion, go from 6 to 8 and you killed him saying he wanted every team in, give everybody a trophy. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=42281.msg1021973#msg1021973
Looks like he was ahead of you by a few years. 🙂 When the Carolinas champ is included, it's a joke. Leaving Loyola and Hawaii out so Kings College can play in this is wrong. Open it up to 8 or 10 like Chicos suggested and now you seem to agree two years later....right? Am I right?
everyone is entitled to change their minds, but just wondering if you didn't like the suggestion because, you know, it was chicos and agreeing with him would be like cheering on the vermin, eyn'a?
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So Wades, a few days ago you said they should go to 8 teams for the men's volleyball tournament https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=42281.msg1021973#msg1021973.
But back in 2016 Chicos already made that same suggestion, go from 6 to 8 and you killed him saying he wanted every team in, give everybody a trophy. https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=42281.msg1021973#msg1021973
Looks like he was ahead of you by a few years. 🙂 When the Carolinas champ is included, it's a joke. Leaving Loyola and Hawaii out so Kings College can play in this is wrong. Open it up to 8 or 10 like Chicos suggested and now you seem to agree two years later....right? Am I right?
everyone is entitled to change their minds, but just wondering if you didn't like the suggestion because, you know, it was chicos and agreeing with him would be like cheering on the vermin, eyn'a?
I would prefer 3 conferences and a 4 team Tournament. I would prefer 8 over 7. 7 is as bad as you could possibly make it.
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I would prefer 3 conferences and a 4 team Tournament. I would prefer 8 over 7. 7 is as bad as you could possibly make it.
Kinda surprised the B1G hasn't jumped on mens volleyball yet. I know there would be title IX stuff to deal with but it's a cheap sport, and there's plenty of talent across B1G country in Illinois, Ohio, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
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UCLA women I saw won the beach national title.
MU needs to start a men's vball program before the Big Ten gets into this. Only 4 or 5 scholarships, some pretty good in state players in Wisconsin, Illinois area, plus the ability to recruit from California, Florida. Same reason as Lacrosse, but the costs are even lower and the opportunity is there. No DI programs in Wisconsin. The programs in Illinois are very good in Loyola and Lewis. Indiana has a few DI programs, and of course Ohio State. That's it. Ripe opportunity for MU to seize it.
Add women's golf, low cost sport, to equal out Title IX.
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UCLA women I saw won the beach national title.
MU needs to start a men's vball program before the Big Ten gets into this. Only 4 or 5 scholarships, some pretty good in state players in Wisconsin, Illinois area, plus the ability to recruit from California, Florida. Same reason as Lacrosse, but the costs are even lower and the opportunity is there. No DI programs in Wisconsin. The programs in Illinois are very good in Loyola and Lewis. Indiana has a few DI programs, and of course Ohio State. That's it. Ripe opportunity for MU to seize it.
Add women's golf, low cost sport, to equal out Title IX.
Yes, I agree with this.
Men's/Women's vball seasons won't conflict for time at the Al, and not sure if they can or do run Men's/Women's golf events concurrently, but even if not, it shouldn't be huge extra cost.
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Marquette is credited with the second best recruiting class in the Big East for next year...but way behind Creighton.
Creighton is listed as the 10th best class in the country. The rich get richer.
Marquette is included among "Highest Honorable Mention" (placing them in the 31-55 range). Here's the blurb: MARQUETTE: Ellie Koontz, 6-1 RS, Academy of Holy Angels (Minneapolis, Minnesota); Claire Mosher, 5-10 S, Waterloo (Wisconsin); Katie Schoessow, 5-5 DS, Mukwonago (Wisconsin)
Villanova is the only other Big East team listed, in the "High Honorable Mention" (56-99)
This is all from PrepVolleyball.com, which is widely regarded as the top source for HS/Club volleyball.
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Marquette was selected as the preseason No. 1 by the Big East Coaches. Also, Allie Barber was picked as the preseason POY. Rosenthal and Werch were also named to the preseason all-conference team. Great recognition for the volleyball program.
Here's the MU link (https://gomarquette.com/news/2018/8/6/womens-volleyball-allie-barber-picked-as-big-east-preseason-player-of-the-year.aspx). Here's the Big East link (http://www.bigeast.com/news/2018/8/6/womens-volleyball-marquette-selected-as-preseason-favorite-in-bigeastvb-poll.aspx).
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Marquette should be really, really good this year. They lost almost nothing from last year's team -- just a DS/L (Geoffroy) and a part-time RS (Kastrup). They're returning essentially 100% of their kills, 100% of their blocks, 99% of their assists, 87% of their digs, and 90% of their aces. Overall, they're returning 99% of their points. That's amazing, and pretty rare. And they've got a couple solid freshman. My daughter said that Marquette was, by far, the toughest team she faced last season...and they're all coming back.
The Big East coaches know what's up, and picked Marquette first in the conference. The rest of the country will take a little while longer to come around. Currently, Marquette is first on the "others receiving votes" list. They'll be ranked soon enough.
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Marquette should be really, really good this year. They lost almost nothing from last year's team -- just a DS/L (Geoffroy) and a part-time RS (Kastrup). They're returning essentially 100% of their kills, 100% of their blocks, 99% of their assists, 87% of their digs, and 90% of their aces. Overall, they're returning 99% of their points. That's amazing, and pretty rare. And they've got a couple solid freshman. My daughter said that Marquette was, by far, the toughest team she faced last season...and they're all coming back.
The Big East coaches know what's up, and picked Marquette first in the conference. The rest of the country will take a little while longer to come around. Currently, Marquette is first on the "others receiving votes" list. They'll be ranked soon enough.
Didn't realize that Marquette was supposed to be this good. Surprised they were predicted to win the BE over Creighton. Creighton beat a top 5 team in Kentucky in their first match of the season but then got swept by Northern Iowa (who then also beat Kentucky) and lost a 5 setter at USC (ranked 7th in the country right now).
Marquette hosts USC and BYU next Friday and Saturday, respectively. Nice home tests early in the season. USC plays at Florida this weekend, so between Kentucky, Northern Iowa, and Creighton at home and then at Florida, at Marquette, and vs. BYU neutral their schedule is pretty dang tough early.
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Didn't realize that Marquette was supposed to be this good. Surprised they were predicted to win the BE over Creighton. Creighton beat a top 5 team in Kentucky in their first match of the season but then got swept by Northern Iowa (who then also beat Kentucky) and lost a 5 setter at USC (ranked 7th in the country right now).
Marquette hosts USC and BYU next Friday and Saturday, respectively. Nice home tests early in the season. USC plays at Florida this weekend, so between Kentucky, Northern Iowa, and Creighton at home and then at Florida, at Marquette, and vs. BYU neutral their schedule is pretty dang tough early.
That is a brutal early season schedule; one that will get them recognition sooner rather than later. By the way, don't sleep on Kansas State or Western Kentucky either. Both are quality teams. KState swept Hawaii twice this past weekend in Hawaii, and WKy has been solid in recent years. Using the "Pablo" rankings (which I don't fully understand...but are widely respected and cited), WKy is 24, MU is 33 and KState is 66. So, Marquette has a couple good matches this weekend before they play BYU (No. 9/Pablo 9) and USC (No. 7/Pablo 11) next weekend.
And Creighton is still a very solid team. Marquette/Creighton will be 1-2 in the Big East. I think it might be Marquette's year to get over the hump. The rest of the conference will be fighting for 3-10.
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Took care of business in their easy tournament, which is what good teams do. Brutal part of the schedule coming up though with USC, BYU, and Wisconsin being three of their next four matches.
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Here are the rankings for the Big East recruits from Prepvolleyball.com. As a reminder, Prep ranks the top 100 senior recruits by number. They also list the "next 150" without ranking them which gets us to the top 250 recruits. Finally, they list 35 "just missed" recruits.
The Big East seems to have had an off year in recruiting. There were no ranked recruits to the conference this year. Compare this to three ranked recruits last year (Creighton x2 and Marquette) and four ranked recruits two years ago (Creighton x2 and Marquette x2).
Here are the final tallies for the Big East as of right now (there are still a few "undecided" recruits).
Villanova (2) (both in "the 150")
Creighton (2) (1 in "the 150"; one "just missed")
Xavier (2) (1 in "the 150"; one "just missed")
Georgetown (2) (2 "just missed")
Marquette (1) (1 in "the 150")
DePaul (1) (1 "just missed")
Here's a description of Marquette's recruit: Hannah Vanden Berg, 5-11 OH, Little Chute (Wisconsin), FC Elite – Marquette
And here are the last two recruiting years for comparison:
2017
Creighton (3) (42, 49 + 1 "Next 150")
Marquette (2) (86 + 1 "Next 150")
Villanova (1) (1 "Next 150")
DePaul (1) (1 "Next 150")
2016
Marquette (4) (39, 78, +2 Next 150)
Creighton (2) (98, 99)
Butler (2)
Xavier (2)
Georgetown (1)
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Took care of business in their easy tournament, which is what good teams do. Brutal part of the schedule coming up though with USC, BYU, and Wisconsin being three of their next four matches.
That's a great weekend. I totally agree that this was the "easy" tournament as compared to next week, but those are two nice wins for Marquette. I'm really excited to see how they do over the next couple weeks.
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The list already needs to be updated. When I made the initial post, I had heard rumors from a reliable source that one of those "undecided" seniors would be heading to the Big East. And just like that, it happens.
Georgetown's new coach is working hard to elevate the Hoyas in the Big East. Apparently, they just got a commitment from the No. 33 recruit in the country. And, she'll be joining her sister who transferred in this season from USC as a RS-Freshman (and who was No. 75 in 2017). That's the highest ranked recruit in the Big East since I've been paying attention.
Here are the revised final tallies for the Big East as of right now (there are still a few "undecided" recruits).
Georgetown (3) (No. 33; 2 "just missed")
Villanova (2) (both in "the 150")
Creighton (2) (1 in "the 150"; one "just missed")
Xavier (2) (1 in "the 150"; one "just missed")
Marquette (1) (1 in "the 150")
DePaul (1) (1 "just missed")
Here's a description of Marquette's recruit: Hannah Vanden Berg, 5-11 OH, Little Chute (Wisconsin), FC Elite – Marquette
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The Big East coaches know what's up, and picked Marquette first in the conference. The rest of the country will take a little while longer to come around. Currently, Marquette is first on the "others receiving votes" list. They'll be ranked soon enough.
Marquette entered the rankings at No. 25 this week. Hopefully they'll have a great weekend against BYU and USC and solidify their spot and move up a bit. But even if they lose those matches, they shouldn't fall far (if at all) and will work their way back in before long.
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https://twitter.com/DanielleJosetti/status/1036694558896279552
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In the unlikely event that anyone cares...
Another minor tweak to the Big East recruits. It appears that Georgetown "creaned" a recruit. I had heard about the new recruit this past weekend, but it wasn't announced until today (and PrepVP still has her listed at tOSU where she decommitted). I'd heard a while ago that the other might not be coming, but only saw today that she had been removed from the list (and PrepVB still has her as a GU commit).
Here are the revised tallies for the Big East as of 9/6/18:
Georgetown (3) (No. 33; 1 in "the 150"; 1 "just missed")
Villanova (2) (both in "the 150")
Creighton (2) (1 in "the 150"; one "just missed")
Xavier (2) (1 in "the 150"; one "just missed")
Marquette (1) (1 in "the 150")
DePaul (1) (1 "just missed")
Here's a description of Marquette's recruit: Hannah Vanden Berg, 5-11 OH, Little Chute (Wisconsin), FC Elite – Marquette
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StillAWarriors is the BigDaddy of Big East volleyball 😂
I appreciate the updates though, must be pretty handy to be in the inner circle of a D1 sports program.
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StillAWarriors is the BigDaddy of Big East volleyball 😂
I appreciate the updates though, must be pretty handy to be in the inner circle of a D1 sports program.
LOL...I'm no BigDaddy.
And, unfortunately I don't have nearly as much info about Marquette (or the rest of the conference) as I do about the Hoyas. But, I do have access to a couple subscription-based sites so I can bring a little something to the table here. Surprisingly enough, GU has a message board for VB, but it's really, really nasty lately. I never posted much because I don't want to out myself, but I've stopped lately. And, it's given me a new appreciation of the importance of remembering that we're posting about somebody's kids on these boards. I've always tried to keep that in mind, but I'll be even more careful about it in the future.
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Great win by Marquette tonight. Knocked off #10 USC 3-2. Next up, #3 BYU. Should be a great test.
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Great win by Marquette tonight. Knocked off #10 USC 3-2. Next up, #3 BYU. Should be a great test.
Damn, missed it. Was it streamed anywhere?
Edit: Found a link if anyone wants to watch the replay. If you actually enjoy and know the game of volleyball, I'd recommend muting the commentary.
https://gomarquette.com/watch/?Archive=1574&type=Archive
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Great win by Marquette tonight. Knocked off #10 USC 3-2. Next up, #3 BYU. Should be a great test.
Went to the match. Marv Dunphy's daughter played at USC and is now an assistant there and saved me $5 by putting me on the USC guest pass.
MU is pretty legit. Libero is awesome on hard driven balls defensively. Both setters play great defense and have awesome hands, but the smaller one is a bit weak and struggles to push the ball to the outside when she has to run down a pass. #10 is a monster. Just over the top of everything. Very interested to see how she plays when matched up with the gigantic middle for UW next weekend. Alex showed me their stat sheet after the match, she hit like .475 on 55 attempts. Absurd. And she only plays front row (which for a girl her size probably works better as she can stay fresh throughout a full match). The less ginger middle is awesome blocking. Not a huge offensive threat but they did throw a couple 2 balls to her that she tanked on, but she gets pin to pin and strong with the block very well. Right side is very crafty and uses high hands well. Other OH is just okay.
Expected USC to be much better, middles were leaving huge holes in the blocks, even when the entire arena knew the ball was going to the OH. Libero struggled early but played strong down the stretch.
MU really should've closed it out in 4. They were the better team, but USC (at least seemed to) made a lot fewer errors.
I would guess BYU will smoke MU tomorrow. They are friggin hot right now. Beat #1 Stanford earlier in the week and steamrolled USC this morning. But a split and then a win over Syracuse would make for a very nice weekend.
Alex was very complimentary of MU and loved the arena. Said it was a really fun place to play in, gets very loud even though it wasn't packed, and was very surprised when I told her MU volleyball was awful when I was in school.
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It's funny, Barber (#10) on video makes looks kinda slow and unathletic but I'm assuming she just hits over everyone cause she looks huge.
Anyone know what kind of rotation was MU running? Looked really funky running a 6-2 with the setters coming in for the outside hitters if I'm not mistaken. Could not figure out what they were doing for the life of me.
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2-1 a really solid weekend. If they don't screw up set 2 agains BYU...Well, anything can happen in a fifth set.
All in all great weekend for the ladies cementing themselves in the top-25. Bring on Bucky.
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I watched the match against BYU, and was impressed. It's a shame they couldn't hold on in the second set. I'd have liked to see how it would have played out if they would have taken a 2-0 lead.
Every time they mentioned Konovodoff's name (which was often -- she was great), I had to try to restrain myself from singing, "Do doo be-do-do (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ytei6bu7kQ)." Some watching with me would probably contend that I didn't do a very good job restraining myself.
*I tried to embed the video...really I did. Apparently, I just couldn't get it right.
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The match vs. Wisconsin on Friday night is sold out.
I was going to go but they're not available on Stubhub. Anyone looking to sell 2 tickets? Or know of where to find 2 tickets?
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The match vs. Wisconsin on Friday night is sold out.
I was going to go but they're not available on Stubhub. Anyone looking to sell 2 tickets? Or know of where to find 2 tickets?
Call the athletic department and ask to put you on a waitlist. Usually the opposing team never use their full allotment of tickets.
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Call the athletic department and ask to put you on a waitlist. Usually the opposing team never use their full allotment of tickets.
Thanks for the recommendation. I shot them an email and they responded that there are no tickets available, there will be no tickets coming back to them from UW's allotment, and there is no secondary market for tickets.
Apparently a donor to MU bought out the entire lower bowl in order to give out tickets to only Marquette fans so that UW fans cannot get into the lower bowl. Kind of nice to give MU that kind of home court advantage, but also really lame to take away the opportunity for more casual fans to see what should be a high level match, something that could turn a casual fan into something more than casual.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I shot them an email and they responded that there are no tickets available, there will be no tickets coming back to them from UW's allotment, and there is no secondary market for tickets.
Apparently a donor to MU bought out the entire lower bowl in order to give out tickets to only Marquette fans so that UW fans cannot get into the lower bowl. Kind of nice to give MU that kind of home court advantage, but also really lame to take away the opportunity for more casual fans to see what should be a high level match, something that could turn a casual fan into something more than casual.
The donor just bought 600 tickets in the lower bowl.
The casual fan was needed versus #10 USC and #3 BYU last weekend. Plus, Creighton will be a huge match-up later this year.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I shot them an email and they responded that there are no tickets available, there will be no tickets coming back to them from UW's allotment, and there is no secondary market for tickets.
Apparently a donor to MU bought out the entire lower bowl in order to give out tickets to only Marquette fans so that UW fans cannot get into the lower bowl. Kind of nice to give MU that kind of home court advantage, but also really lame to take away the opportunity for more casual fans to see what should be a high level match, something that could turn a casual fan into something more than casual.
Do you still live in the area? If so, if it were me, I'd drive over and take my chances. After all, you're a Marquette fan, and that's who the donor wants in the lower bowl. But I'd totally understand if you didn't want to drive a long way if there is no guarantee you'll get in.
Also, check your messages.
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The donor just bought 600 tickets in the lower bowl.
The casual fan was needed versus #10 USC and #3 BYU last weekend. Plus, Creighton will be a huge match-up later this year.
Got it. Any idea who this donor is and how they determined who would get the tickets they bought?
Do you still live in the area? If so, if it were me, I'd drive over and take my chances. After all, you're a Marquette fan, and that's who the donor wants in the lower bowl. But I'd totally understand if you didn't want to drive a long way if there is no guarantee you'll get in.
Also, check your messages.
Yes that's what I'm thinking about doing, but I have to see if the person I'm going with would be interested in doing that as well first. I just have my doubts that anybody is going to be scalping tickets to a volleyball match. Not a market typically for those, so my feeling is that people who have tickets for the match tomorrow are people who really want to be in there seeing the match.
But as long as the person I was planning on going with is up for it it's worth a shot, and if it doesn't work out can always go watch the Brewers game somewhere nearby.
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I just have my doubts that anybody is going to be scalping tickets to a volleyball match. Not a market typically for those, so my feeling is that people who have tickets for the match tomorrow are people who really want to be in there seeing the match.
That's true, but it's also unclear how the mysterious donor will be distributing the tickets. He or she might just be standing in front of the Al handing out tickets to people wearing MU gear.
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Got it. Any idea who this donor is and how they determined who would get the tickets they bought?
It's a poster on Brew City Ball and Dodds site. He put out a message and posters IM their address to him. I believe he is a older man, who goes to all the hoops and volleyball games with his wife.
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That's true, but it's also unclear how the mysterious donor will be distributing the tickets. He or she might just be standing in front of the Al handing out tickets to people wearing MU gear.
Yeah, definitely worth a shot whether it's tickets being handed out or even scalped.
It's a poster on Brew City Ball and Dodds site. He put out a message and posters IM their address to him. I believe he is a older man, who goes to all the hoops and volleyball games with his wife.
Got it. Thank you.
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Does anybody know what the deal is with the 247 site? I had an account when it was Scout or whatever it was and had no issues. Now I'm trying to post about the volleyball match and it says that my post is submitted for review and does not show up on the forum. Do the administrators have to review every single post that is submitted before they get posted on that forum? Or is there some kind of further sign up that I need to do before I can post on there?
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Ended up getting tickets. Hoping we can pull off the upset. Unfortunately based only on the one match that I saw them play against USC I think Marquette will struggle quite a bit with Wisconsin and teams like Wisconsin. If they play smaller but really solid teams they can be more physical and compete in that way. I think Wisconsin has the size to make it really tough on Marquette.
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How was the environment? I see MU got smoked 3-0 by the more elite Badgers.
Let's throw this one out there. The NBE has been good for basketball, but it appears our Olympic sports are more mid-major. The soccer programs look to have fallen off. Also, a number of teams look good enough to get into the NCAAs and then quickly exit, same as hoops. Maybe the problem is more of these sports are dominated at the top by a few, top funded schools and it will take a while for parity to break-through.
Lacrosse has a chance. But, what will it take ($$) to break-through? The walk-back on the Performance Center certainly didn't help but it's more than that as MU has invested in these sports and a few do well but not elite like a ND. Is it all about the lack of football money?
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I was surprised to see Marquette got swept by Creighton yesterday. I've been picking Marquette to win the conference, and yesterday was supposed to be the first step toward that. Oh well, we'll get them next time.
And, in an unusual start to the season, when the Hoyas come to the Al on Friday night, they'll be ahead of Marquette in the standings. I can't even venture a guess on the last time that was the case. Hopefully Georgetown will be at 3-0, but even in the worst case scenario they'll be 2-1. This is the first time that Georgetown has started the conference season 2-0 since 2001. And rest assured, the game this weekend will be only the third time ever that I've rooted against Marquette! I'd just like Georgetown to be semi competitive -- Marquette was a really difficult match-up for them last year. I have no illusions that Georgetown will actually win the match.
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How was the environment? I see MU got smoked 3-0 by the more elite Badgers.
Let's throw this one out there. The NBE has been good for basketball, but it appears our Olympic sports are more mid-major. The soccer programs look to have fallen off. Also, a number of teams look good enough to get into the NCAAs and then quickly exit, same as hoops. Maybe the problem is more of these sports are dominated at the top by a few, top funded schools and it will take a while for parity to break-through.
Lacrosse has a chance. But, what will it take ($$) to break-through? The walk-back on the Performance Center certainly didn't help but it's more than that as MU has invested in these sports and a few do well but not elite like a ND. Is it all about the lack of football money?
Sorry, I kind of missed this. The atmosphere was fun...in the first set. The donor that bought out the lower level definitely did a good job. Other than UW's ticket allotment right behind one of the benches, there were no Badger fans down there. Upper sections were 75%+ Badger fans. I was with a Badger fan and in an upper section and there were about 3 MU fans within 10 rows of me, otherwise all Badger fans.
First set Marquette was up 23-21 (maybe even 20) and lost 23-25. After that the wind was taken completely out of their sails. I believe the went down 1-8 to start the second set and were never competitive in the match again. I feared a sweep because MU seemed to be really good when they could out-physical a team like USC, but UW is very big as well, and definitely a more complete team.
I was surprised to see Marquette got swept by Creighton yesterday. I've been picking Marquette to win the conference, and yesterday was supposed to be the first step toward that. Oh well, we'll get them next time.
And, in an unusual start to the season, when the Hoyas come to the Al on Friday night, they'll be ahead of Marquette in the standings. I can't even venture a guess on the last time that was the case. Hopefully Georgetown will be at 3-0, but even in the worst case scenario they'll be 2-1. This is the first time that Georgetown has started the conference season 2-0 since 2001. And rest assured, the game this weekend will be only the third time ever that I've rooted against Marquette! I'd just like Georgetown to be semi competitive -- Marquette was a really difficult match-up for them last year. I have no illusions that Georgetown will actually win the match.
Any idea of the roster makeup of Creighton? Are they a big team? I've only seen MU play twice, but my guess is that they will struggle all year long with teams that can match them in physicality and will beat a lot of teams that might be skilled but small.
Must be the setter at Georgetown...
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Any idea of the roster makeup of Creighton? Are they a big team? I've only seen MU play twice, but my guess is that they will struggle all year long with teams that can match them in physicality and will beat a lot of teams that might be skilled but small.
I haven't seen them too much this year. They're biggest girls aren't as big as Marquette's, but they have a lot of tall girls. Marquette is bigger/stronger at MB than Creighton. I know that my daughter felt that Marquette was the toughest match-up for them last year. They're big and strong and overpowered Georgetown. Last year, Georgetown really ran a lot of its offense through the middle -- that got nowhere with Marquette who killed the Hoyas both times. Creighton is pretty skilled, but not as overpowering physically in the middle as Marquette.
Must be the setter at Georgetown...
It's a combination of factors. That may or may not be one of them. I guess it depends who you ask.
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So, today's the day. I'm hoping it will be a good match, and that Georgetown will continue to show that they are an improved team. Last year Marquette swept the Hoyas both times they played. Both were pretty brutal with Georgetown scoring a total of 45 points in the first meeting (-17; -12; -16), and an embarrassing 29 in the second (-12; -9; -18). I'd certainly like them to break 50 this time. The hitting numbers were equally dominant with MU hitting .411 and .372 in the matches, and GU hitting .202 and .029. That's not a typo...0.029!
As I've said, I think MU wins this one. But who knows...maybe MU will have an off night and GU will play their best match of the year. GU's defense is much better than last year (in no small part because they don't have a setter playing DS this year ;)), so I'd like to think that MU won't have such gaudy attack numbers -- maybe hold them under .300. I think GU will be playing without one of their starting middles, but I'm not sure. She was in a boot on Wednesday and didn't dress. I haven't heard any updates since then (although she did travel). Is Marquette healthy?
Anyone willing to give me 8 points per set? For the record, I was asking for 12 points per set last season...obviously I'm much more confident in the Hoyas this year. Must be the new setter.
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So, today's the day. I'm hoping it will be a good match, and that Georgetown will continue to show that they are an improved team. Last year Marquette swept the Hoyas both times they played. Both were pretty brutal with Georgetown scoring a total of 45 points in the first meeting (-17; -12; -16), and an embarrassing 29 in the second (-12; -9; -18). I'd certainly like them to break 50 this time. The hitting numbers were equally dominant with MU hitting .411 and .372 in the matches, and GU hitting .202 and .029. That's not a typo...0.029!
As I've said, I think MU wins this one. But who knows...maybe MU will have an off night and GU will play their best match of the year. GU's defense is much better than last year (in no small part because they don't have a setter playing DS this year ;)), so I'd like to think that MU won't have such gaudy attack numbers -- maybe hold them under .300. I think GU will be playing without one of their starting middles, but I'm not sure. She was in a boot on Wednesday and didn't dress. I haven't heard any updates since then (although she did travel). Is Marquette healthy?
Anyone willing to give me 8 points per set? For the record, I was asking for 12 points per set last season...obviously I'm much more confident in the Hoyas this year. Must be the new setter.
Good luck! The Al is a fun place for a match. Are you attending? Coming off getting swept, maybe MU can be had.
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Good luck! The Al is a fun place for a match. Are you attending? Coming off getting swept, maybe MU can be had.
Unfortunately, I'm not attending. I had planned to attend with my middle daughter on a college visit road trip through Milwaukee and Chicago, but conflicts with her schedule prevented it. We were really disappointed. I'm hoping to make it to Butler/Xavier next weekend.
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I'd certainly like them to break 50 this time...I'd like to think that MU won't have such gaudy attack numbers -- maybe hold them under .300.
So, GU scored 51 and “held” MU to .295. I guess I should hope for better numbers if GU is going to do pretty much exactly what I say.
All in all, it was pretty much what I expected. Marquette dominated. Georgetown is improved, but still not in Marquette’s league. Just a really tough matchup for the Hoyas. Oh well, at least I can resume rooting for the Warriors until we meet again.
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Marquette's libero is a stud. Feel like if they had one more solid attacking outlet they could really make some noise in the tournament this year.
Good setting, great defensively, just not a ton of firepower after Barber and Rosenthal.
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At Hinkle Field House for tonight’s game between Georgetown and Butler. This is a really cool facility.
Go Hoyas!
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At Hinkle Field House for tonight’s game between Georgetown and Butler. This is a really cool facility.
Go Hoyas!
I have not seen it since the renovations but when I did go there (2002) I felt like I was walking into a time machine. So cool to see the spot where Jimmy Chitwood hit the game-winner for Hickory. He said he'd make it!
Hinkle, the Palestra and Rose Hill should be on every basketball fan's bucket list (in addition to the obvious ones, Phog and Cameron).
Good luck to the Hoyas tonight!
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OK, a totally different vibe, but the Cintas Center is also really nice.
Go Hoyas!
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At Hinkle Field House for tonight’s game between Georgetown and Butler. This is a really cool facility.
Go Hoyas!
Our very good friend used to be the VP of Student Affairs at Butler. He gave Glow Jr a personal college tour which included walking into an empty Hinkle Field House, just like the scene in Hoosiers. Very Cool.
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It's funny, Barber (#10) on video makes looks kinda slow and unathletic but I'm assuming she just hits over everyone cause she looks huge.
Just ran across this and it reminded me of what my daughter said about Barber: "the first time I went to block against her, I thought I must have forgotten to jump because she was so high above me."
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After the first pass through the conference* here is how things stand:
Creighton 8-0
Marquette 8-1
Georgetown 6-3
St. John’s 5-4
Villanova 4-5
Xavier 4-5
Butler 3-6
DePaul 3-6
Seton Hall 2-7
Providence 1-7
Should be an interesting second half as 5-6 teams fight for those No. 3 and 4 spots and a berth in the conference tournament.
*For travel purposes, Creighton and Providence (who are travel “partners”) scheduled both of their matches for the last weekend of the season in Omaha.
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Wades, you going to the Creighton game in two weeks? Haven't been up to MKE in ages and thought it would be a good time to go.
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Wades, you going to the Creighton game in two weeks? Haven't been up to MKE in ages and thought it would be a good time to go.
I’d definitely consider it. Not sure if I have anything going on but if not I’d probably swing by. One of my friends just started working at MU and gets in free and a free guest so could see what he’s up to.
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Big win for the ladies over a solid UNI team whose in the verge of being ranked.
I think if they knock off Creighton next week and avoid any slip ups, they have a very good shot of getting a seed for the tourney.
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Big win for the ladies over a solid UNI team whose in the verge of being ranked.
I think if they knock off Creighton next week and avoid any slip ups, they have a very good shot of getting a seed for the tourney.
Apparently a US Senator was at the match and tweeted about it multiple times.
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Wadesworld I received an email from you but didn't see it until today. I responded back. I have a daughter at MU currently, not a son. She is not connected to the volleyball program.
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Wadesworld I received an email from you but didn't see it until today. I responded back. I have a daughter at MU currently, not a son. She is not connected to the volleyball program.
Umm...thanks for sharing...I guess.
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Umm...thanks for sharing...I guess.
Probably weird, but here is why. In the my messages section here it never indicates to me there is a message. I randomly clicked it the other day and there was a message from him about a month old. I checked my regular email, and there was something there but missed it (way too much spam and other emails). Out of courtesy, assuming others are also not seeing any identifier that they received a MUSCOOP message I mentioned it here in case he goes a month like I did before seeing it.
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It's going to be an interesting weekend in the Big East. Heading into the last two matches, Georgetown, Villanova and Xavier are tied for fourth place at 8-8. And, they're playing each other this weekend.
Georgetown - Xavier (Fri @ 5:00) and Butler (Sat @ 5:00)
Villanova - Butler (Fri @ 7:00) and Xavier (Sat @ 7:00)
Xavier - @georgetown (Fri @ 5:00) and @villanova (Sat @ 7:00)
Scenarios for how each team can earn the the final Big East tournament spot:
- Xavier - If Xavier wins both matches, they are alone in 4th place at 10-8. In that scenario, the best Georgetown and Villanova could do would be 9-9. Xavier is in the Big East tournament with two victories.
- Villanova - If Villanova wins both matches, they will be 10-8 and, at worst, tied with Georgetown for 4th place. Assuming the first tie-breaker is head-to-head sets, Villanova holds this tie-breaker with Georgetown by virtue of a 5-3 set record on the series split. Villanova is in the Beast tournament with two victories.
- Georgetown - If Georgetown wins both matches and Villanova loses a match, Georgetown will be alone in 4th with a 10-8 record. Georgetown needs help. Obviously, I'm rooting for the Hoyas both nights, and I'll be rooting hard for Butler Friday and Xavier Saturday.
Things get trickier if the teams split and the results will be determined by how they split. If Georgetown beats Xavier, the Hoyas will own the tiebreaker with Xavier based upon the series sweep. If Xavier beats Villanova, X will have the tiebreaker with V based on the sweep.
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Marquette playing for the Big East Championship against Creighton at Creighton. MU won an epic first set 28-26. The score was never separated by more than 2 points. Second set, Creighton is taking MU behind the woodshed, up 20-12. Hoping the ladies can regroup because I don't think they're coming back in S2.
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Marquette playing for the Big East Championship against Creighton at Creighton. MU won an epic first set 28-26. The score was never separated by more than 2 points. Second set, Creighton is taking MU behind the woodshed, up 20-12. Hoping the ladies can regroup because I don't think they're coming back in S2.
Nice. Thanks for the updates. Is this being streamed somewhere?
Creighton has seemed to have MU's number...would be a nice win. Should be comfortably in the Tournament either way, but a win could bump their position I would think.
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It's live on FS2. Guessing they also have it on Fox Sports Go, but not 100% on that. MU rallied 7 straight points to get within 20-17 and then mostly exchanged points as Creighton held MU off for a 25-22 second set win. Tied up going to 3.
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It's live on FS2. Guessing they also have it on Fox Sports Go, but not 100% on that. MU rallied 7 straight points to get within 20-17 and then mostly exchanged points as Creighton held MU off for a 25-22 second set win. Tied up going to 3.
Awesome, thank you.
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Set 3 has been fantastic so far. MU jumped out to a 9-4 lead, Creighton went on an 11-2 run to lead 15-11, MU has since rallied to take a 19-18 lead. Two really well-matched teams.
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MU reeeeeally needs a bigger, physical setter. Not even at the net, but they just really struggle with consistency in transition. MU’s libero is very good and their middle backs do a good job of digging balls defensively but they struggle pushing balls to the pin on high dug balls or anything not right on the net where they have time to get their feet set and wait on the ball. To me that’s the biggest missing piece. The L2 has really improved compared to where she was early in the season. She used to struggle to terminate but has found a little more pepper on the ball. Middles still very good blockers and when you get blocking like that any offense you can get out of them is gravy. L1 is a stud and RS is a nice crafty player.
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I'm well out of my depth, but what seems to be killing them are Creighton's front-line players on blocks. MU has tried repeatedly to put those spikes just over the net and Creighton repeatedly sends them right back into the floor. Feel like they either need to adjust their angles or try to attack deeper.
Creighton wins the third set 25-21, finishing on a 7-2 run after MU took the lead. Jays lead 2-1 going into the fourth set. Do or die time for MU.
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I'm well out of my depth, but what seems to be killing them are Creighton's front-line players on blocks. MU has tried repeatedly to put those spikes just over the net and Creighton repeatedly sends them right back into the floor. Feel like they either need to adjust their angles or try to attack deeper.
Creighton wins the third set 25-21, finishing on a 7-2 run after MU took the lead. Jays lead 2-1 going into the fourth set. Do or die time for MU.
Yup. Part of the problem is the passing fell apart and left the setter with 1 option so Creighton could just sit and wait on that hitter. MU is not very good at using the block to get kills off of while Creighton has been.
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Missed the fourth set, but MU fell 25-21. Creighton wins their fifth straight Big East title. MU should still comfortably be in the tournament, though their odds of hosting the first two rounds probably took a hit.
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Holy cow! Marquette got a national seed!
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Not only are we Dancin’ but #muvb is HOSTING!!! Marquette earns a number 14 national seed and is seeded for the first time in program history!!
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Wow. Very nice. I’m surprised they got a seed with 3 losses to Creighton.
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Will the Al be ready?...
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Any idea when the games will be?
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Any idea when the games will be?
Doesn’t show on the bracket but if I remember correctly it should be similar to the men’s basketball tournament. Either Thursday/Saturday or Friday/Sunday. I could be wrong on that though.
I already have tickets for the Final Four. MU might as well just make a run all the way there and I can follow along.
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Creighton is Friday/Saturday. Probably similar.
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Creighton is Friday/Saturday. Probably similar.
After I posted I actually thought I did remember games being back to back nights in the past. Kind of odd but saves money and the game is not as taxing on someone as a basketball or football game is.
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Any idea when the games will be?
Friday and Saturday
MU will host High Point University on Friday, Nov. 30 at 7 p.m. CT with Cincinnati and Illinois State facing each other at 4:30 p.m. CT at the Al McGuire Center in first round action. The winner of each contest will advance to the second round, which will take place on Saturday, Dec. 1 at 7 p.m. CT.
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Wow. Very nice. I’m surprised they got a seed with 3 losses to Creighton.
Marquette plays an crazy tough non-conference schedule. BYU, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Illinois State & USC were terms at the Al who are in the big dance.
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Wonderful news for the ladies.
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That's fantastic. I think that they absolutely deserve it, but I had my doubts that the committee would give it to them. The VB committee often is not very friendly to mid-majors (which MU definitely is in VB). This year, however, they showed a lot of love.
Here's hoping Marquette (and Creighton) can make it through the first weekend. Go Warriors!
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Any word on when tickets go on sale? And if the Al will even be ready by then? (I assume the answer to the second question is yes, as it looked like there was more damage to the car than the floor)
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MU takes out High Point 3-0. Different atmosphere at the Al with the MU Dance Team in attendance. High Point brings their pep band and cheerleaders. Solid crowd at the Al.
Marquette will play Cincinnati on Saturday night at 7pm. Winner to the Sweet 16!
Tickets are $7
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MU sweeps Cincinnati. Sweet 16!
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MU sweeps Cincinnati. Sweet 16!
Was there. I don't know the first thing about volleyball but it was a lot of fun. Felt like complete domination from the word go.
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MU sweeps Cincinnati. Sweet 16!
That's a great achievement for Marquette. Now, on to the second weekend. It sure would be an awful lot of fun if they could knock off Illinois, and then beat the Badgers in both Volleyball and Basketball next Saturday.
Go Warriors!
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I have the day off from work Friday and I'm thinking about heading down to Champaign for the match. Anyone interested in carpooling?
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I have the day off from work Friday and I'm thinking about heading down to Champaign for the match. Anyone interested in carpooling?
Unless you're willing to drive a good 6-8 hours out of your way (each way), I'm not a very good candidate.
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I have the day off from work Friday and I'm thinking about heading down to Champaign for the match. Anyone interested in carpooling?
Wish I could, but more importantly mad respect to your handle. RIP Mitch, the funniest person to ever walk the planet. At a game earlier this year the escalator stopped and both my sons (14 and 12) turned to me, smiled, and said sorry for the convenience. Proud dad moment. Cheers!
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Nice article on Marquette (https://volleyballmag.com/marquette-120618/)
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Women's team lost in 3 sets tonight. Great season.
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Congrats to the women on a great season, and good luck to seniors Anna Haak, Abby Julian, and Jenna Rosenthal!
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Got home from the Final Four today. Have been to 3 men's Final Fours, this was the first women's one I've been to. Definitely a very different atmosphere. They do a really good job of putting it on, though it would be nice to start the Championship match (and second semifinal match) before 8:00 PM local time.
Was very surprised Nebraska pushed Stanford as much as they did. Watching them play Illinois in the semifinals I thought if Illinois won it'd be a decent match that Stanford wins in 4 close sets. When Nebraska won I thought Nebraska might ride the "home crowd" (in Minneapolis, but it was 80% Nebraska fans, 15% neutral, and 5% Stanford fans, at best) to one set, but thought Stanford would control the match. I actually thought Nebraska really kind of outplayed Stanford. Nebraska was very error prone in the semifinals but really cleaned it up in the Finals.
The first time I saw this star-studded junior class for Stanford was their Elite 8 match at Wisconsin their freshman year and I said then that their libero was the best player in that group. Despite 2 NPOYs for Plummer, I completely stand by that. She's an absolute standout. There are a lot of Plummers (and better...Plummer is very smooth and good at all aspects, but there are far better/more dynamic athletes) at the next level. There aren't a lot of Hentz's at the next level. The one thing Hentz will have to adjust is playing your more "standard" base position defensively at the next level. At this level her reads are so dang good and she's so quick in reacting that they just let her freelance defensively and it almost always works out, but at the next level the speed of the game will have her getting burned if she plays that way. But goodness is she good and fun to watch.
I think women's volleyball in general at the college level tries to run too quick of a tempo offense, especially teams with big guns on the outside (like Stanford). My opinion is Nebraska was in that match because they just aired out their offense and let their best player be the best player. Stanford ran quick sets to the pin all match and it left Plummer with one shot pretty much all night and Nebraska was reading it well and closing on her. She's the kind of player that you can just chuck a sky ball to and let her see the block and use it. That's what Nebraska did with Foecke and it almost won them a Title.
I didn't realize until today that Lexi Sun was the stud transfer from Texas. I could not have been less impressed with her all weekend. Big errors in big situations, a horrible serve receive passer, and offensively plays like she's on the beach with a bunch of cut shots that don't do much in indoor. I'd have taken either of Marquette's OHs over her honestly. I thought Stanford's second OH was weak as well, but at least she makes smart, high hand swings and is a nail gun passer in serve reception, which is the most important thing in an L2. It honestly felt like whenever she got a kill it was more a sense of relief than excitement or an expectation. I don't see how she was ranked the top recruit in her class.
The Illinois setter was really, really good. Liked watching her play and wanted the Illini to win to see her for a second match. To me the best players at the Final Four were her, the OH from Illinois, Foecke, and Hentz.
Last thought is that it's amazing how big of a gap there is between the very top teams and a team that's ranked 15 or so (like Marquette). Marquette was a legit top 15 team this season as proven by their ranking and making the Sweet 16, plus wins against teams like USC, but they lost 19-25, 21-25, 16-25 to Illinois, and having seen Marquette in person a couple times and watching the Final Four, that's about what I'd have expected the scores to be. I'd be surprised if they scored 20 in any set if they were to play Stanford or Nebraska either. Wisconsin smoked them after a very competitive first set as well. MU took a set off of BYU but BYU wasn't even competitive with Stanford (despite being the only team to beat Stanford this year in an early season match). The only players on Marquette who I think could even compete at that level at their respective positions are their libero and 2 OHs. Their middles block well but neither is super quick and I think would get lost against those weapons. Definitely a great season for MU, but still a long way to go to get to the level of play I saw this weekend.
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Last thought is that it's amazing how big of a gap there is between the very top teams and a team that's ranked 15 or so (like Marquette). Marquette was a legit top 15 team this season as proven by their ranking and making the Sweet 16, plus wins against teams like USC, but they lost 19-25, 21-25, 16-25 to Illinois, and having seen Marquette in person a couple times and watching the Final Four, that's about what I'd have expected the scores to be. I'd be surprised if they scored 20 in any set if they were to play Stanford or Nebraska either. Wisconsin smoked them after a very competitive first set as well. MU took a set off of BYU but BYU wasn't even competitive with Stanford (despite being the only team to beat Stanford this year in an early season match). The only players on Marquette who I think could even compete at that level at their respective positions are their libero and 2 OHs. Their middles block well but neither is super quick and I think would get lost against those weapons. Definitely a great season for MU, but still a long way to go to get to the level of play I saw this weekend.
This is so, so true. I have to laugh because the Georgetown board has a volleyball section, and there was a poster last year that was complaining that Georgetown wasn't competing for national championships in volleyball. While I agree that Georgetown needs to get better, competing for national championships is just an absurd goal (competing for a spot in the Big East tourney was a nice start). There are about a half-dozen teams that are legitimately competing for national championships in volleyball. And, as you said, the gap between them and the next level of teams is enormous. Creighton and Marquette were outstanding teams this year and undeniably head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. But it would be an absolutely earth-shattering "Douglas beats Tyson" upset if they won the title. Probably even bigger than that.
I was really disappointed when Stanford and Nebraska won in the semis because I would have really liked to see some new blood. And even BYU and Illinois -- either of which would have been seen as a real surprise -- are among a group that has been hanging around the top for years. I just took a look at the last 10 final fours and it's amazing how few teams have been involved:
- Only 18 teams have played in the FF: Tex (7); Penn St. (6); Stanford (4); Nebraska (4); Minnesota (3); BYU (2); Illinois (2); USC (2); Florida (1); Kansas (1); Wisconsin (1); Washington (1); Oregon (1); Michigan (1); UCLA (1); FSU (1); Cal (1); Hawaii (1).
- Only 11 teams have played in the championship match: Penn State (4); Texas (4); Nebraska (3); Stanford (2); Florida (1); BYU (1); Wisconsin (1); Oregon (1); UCLA (1); Illinois (1) and Cal (1).
- Ony 5 teams have won titles: Penn State (4); Stanford (2); Nebraska (2); Texas (1) and UCLA (1).
So, even this year's "underdogs" in the Final Four (Illinois and BYU) are among the truly elite with both having played in the championship match and multiple final fours in the past decade.
I would love to see someone -- anyone -- from a conference other than the BIG or PAC (and Texas) win a title. But, it will be an extraordinary upset when it happens. It looked like maybe BYU had a shot this year, but they had some bad luck down the stretch with injuries.
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Question for you volleyball observers ...
I watched Marquette's NCAA game and was a little surprised that neither MU nor Illinois had a black player. Is this the norm?
Years ago, it seemed many girls played both volleyball in the fall and basketball in the winter. That made sense to me because of the premium on height in both sports and also the hand-to-eye coordination aspect of the games. When I got the assistant bkb coaching job at my current high school a couple years ago, I was very surprised that not a single one of our players also played volleyball. Our coach said he had only one volleyball player in 5 years as hoops coach, and she was an end-of-the-bench player.
Maybe it's all part of the specialization thing, in which kids are urged (or even forced) at an early age to pick one sport ... and the black girls just gravitate to basketball?
Or maybe there simply aren't very many opportunities for black girls to take up volleyball at a relatively early age.
Anyway, as one who has long been interested in the intersection of race and athletics, I couldn't help but noticing the lily-white nature of that MU-Illinois game.
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Question for you volleyball observers ...
I watched Marquette's NCAA game and was a little surprised that neither MU nor Illinois had a black player. Is this the norm?
Years ago, it seemed many girls played both volleyball in the fall and basketball in the winter. That made sense to me because of the premium on height in both sports and also the hand-to-eye coordination aspect of the games. When I got the assistant bkb coaching job at my current high school a couple years ago, I was very surprised that not a single one of our players also played volleyball. Our coach said he had only one volleyball player in 5 years as hoops coach, and she was an end-of-the-bench player.
Maybe it's all part of the specialization thing, in which kids are urged (or even forced) at an early age to pick one sport ... and the black girls just gravitate to basketball?
Or maybe there simply aren't very many opportunities for black girls to take up volleyball at a relatively early age.
Anyway, as one who has long been interested in the intersection of race and athletics, I couldn't help but noticing the lily-white nature of that MU-Illinois game.
I would say that having two teams facing off with no black players on either roster would be pretty unusual. But without question, a significant majority of volleyball players are white. I think the biggest factor is almost certainly financial. There are two aspects to this. First, club volleyball is quite expensive. And playing club is virtually essential to get an opportunity to play in college. Second, in many parts of the country, private schools dominate high school volleyball (in no small part because in many places parochial schools start CYO volleyball up to 3-4 years earlier than public schools start volleyball).
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I would say that having two teams facing off with no black players on either roster would be pretty unusual. But without question, a significant majority of volleyball players are white. I think the biggest factor is almost certainly financial. There are two aspects to this. First, club volleyball is quite expensive. And playing club is virtually essential to get an opportunity to play in college. Second, it many parts of the country, private schools dominate high school volleyball (in no small part because in many places parochial schools start CYO volleyball up to 3-4 years earlier than public schools start volleyball).
I think this is part of it. Guys side, too. My son’s HS team was very good, won the CIF Southern Section and finished runner-up for the state championship a few years ago....he was the only player on the team not in club because he also was the school’s goalie for soccer....didn’t have time. His college club mates, all were club players in HS except him. The costs are crazy. Same for the ladies. I hate how specialized we are in sports, felt his background as a soccer and baseball player were very helpful, but coaches want reps reps reps and commitment to the one sport. The $$ ends up excluding some folks.
In an interesting twist on MU82's comments, my son was only one of two Caucasians on the team. We live in an area that is mostly Asian and Hispanic.
Wades made another comment about gap in talent. I find this to be the case with most women’s sports and not sure if it is due to volumes of participants that aren’t rising to the elite level, or is it something else. As an example, the 100th ranked men’s BBall team, golfer, tennis player, etc can beat number one and though it is an upset, it happens. On the women’s side, if the 100th ranked women’s b-ball team beatbox uconn it would be a miracle. The depth isn’t there and the great players all congregate to just a few schools. Same for women’s tennis and other sports. Is it because those elite players and teams are simply that much beter, or is it a lack of overall distribution of great talent that prevents more of this from happening.
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One other item of note to MU82's question, the USA women's team was at our high school about 18 months ago doing an exhibition....Karch brought two teams with him. Mostly Caucasian. One of the local girls is on the squad, Justine Wong. The African American players were Adams, Whitney and Akinradewo that were in the gym.
I remember the days of Flo Hyman and Rita Crockett on the '84 team, but it was also dominated mostly by Caucasian women even before the "club" era.
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Thanks for the answers, y'all. Interesting stuff.
My daughter was on the basketball team at Lawrence U in Appleton, a D3 school. Her freshman year, the men's team was undefeated almost the entire season - got written up by SI, AP, etc. The women's team also was good, and I went to see several games (usually a women's game, followed by a men's game).
I couldn't help but notice early on that of the 33 players on the two teams, not one was black. Not one!
That's when you know you're at Caucasian U, when even the basketball teams are lily white!
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Two big transfers for Marquette, 6'0" outside hitter Kaitlyn Lines from Pacific who will have two years of eligibility left and 6'3" right side Gwyn Jones from Auburn.
Volleyball transfers are eligible right away and this should give Theis the flexibility he likes to have from his pins with Haak graduating, Lines may actually be an upgrade.
Just need another middle, doubt they get a stud transfer this late in the game but who knows.
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West Coast volleyball is back!!!!
Hawai’i vs Long Beach State for the title on Saturday.
May have to start calling the NCAA Tournament the Big West Conference Tournament Part Deux.
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Marquette men’s club team finished 5th in the NCVF National Championships two weeks ago in Denver. Lost to Illinois 15-12 in final set. MU’s best player got hurt earlier with ankle injury...he made 2nd team all national. Unfortunate as they might have won the whole thing. Illinois ended up going to the final and losing to Cal Poly for the title losing 18-16 in final set.
MU beat UC San Diego, Fresno State, Iowa, Arizona State, North Carolina State.
MU finished 5th nationally last year, too...and was 3rd the year before that.
I remember back in the days when the women’s club soccer team performed extremely well and eventually the athletic dept added them as a varsity sport. Wish we would do same for men’s volleyball and compete against Lewis, Loyola Chicago, etc. The current Wisconsin high school player of the year plays at MU, along with Calif Div 4 player of the year and one of the Illinois players of the year. Good kids, certainly not D1 varsity level, but would love to see MU commit to it.
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Marquette men’s club team finished 5th in the NCVF National Championships two weeks ago in Denver. Lost to Illinois 15-12 in final set. MU’s best player got hurt earlier with ankle injury...he made 2nd team all national. Unfortunate as they might have won the whole thing. Illinois ended up going to the final and losing to Cal Poly for the title losing 18-16 in final set.
MU beat UC San Diego, Fresno State, Iowa, Arizona State, North Carolina State.
MU finished 5th nationally last year, too...and was 3rd the year before that.
I remember back in the days when the women’s club soccer team performed extremely well and eventually the athletic dept added them as a varsity sport. Wish we would do same for men’s volleyball and compete against Lewis, Loyola Chicago, etc. The current Wisconsin high school player of the year plays at MU, along with Calif Div 4 player of the year and one of the Illinois players of the year. Good kids, certainly not D1 varsity level, but would love to see MU commit to it.
I mean they definitely could. Volleyball is a pretty inexpensive sport especially considering they already have the sport court for the women’s.
Also no D1 programs in Wisconsin so recruiting would be difficult but not impossible.
The question is, what women’s sport do you add?
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I mean they definitely could. Volleyball is a pretty inexpensive sport especially considering they already have the sport court for the women’s.
Also no D1 programs in Wisconsin so recruiting would be difficult but not impossible.
The question is, what women’s sport do you add?
Women’s golf or softball. Bowling another one.
I think no D1 programs in Wisconsin is why you want to do this. I see that as an opportunity. States of Illinois and Indiana each have one, plus there are several division II schools in Illinois as well.
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West Coast volleyball is back!!!!
Hawai’i vs Long Beach State for the title on Saturday.
May have to start calling the NCAA Tournament the Big West Conference Tournament Part Deux.
I guess Hawaii can be considered part of the West Coast if you want it to be.
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Big volleyball day here. Our high school tries for third straight Final Four this afternoon.
Then heading over to the LB for the men’s NCAA title. Both teams with many Calif players and a huge number from Orange County where my kids grew up playing. Will be fun with plenty of local backing for both teams.
I’m just glad the NCAA expanded the tournament participants as I mentioned years ago they should. They still need to go at least two more, but they are making progress. They will get there eventually.
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Long Beach with the win over Hawaii..and our boys HS made third straight Final Four despite losing our middle to an ankle sprain very first play of match, and then losing our best OH to same injury in second set. Tough 5 setter, but great comeback win.
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Rough day for former MU coach Bond Shymansky. (https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/hawkeyes/iowa-coach-bond-shymansky-placed-on-30-day-paid-administrative-leave-20190520) Placed on administrative leave pending investigation of what are being characterized as "significant" and "serious" NCAA violations. According to the article, in the AD's presser he said, "It’s a difficult day...There are a lot of emotions ... anger, sadness...(Our motto is) Win, Graduate, Do It Right. Clearly in this case, (Shymansky) came up short in ‘Do It Right.’” No bueno.
Update: Perhaps this is SOP in such situations, but it seems ominous that Iowa already named an Interim Head Coach (https://hawkeyesports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1666&path=wvball).
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Interesting...I always though Marquette was gonna take a big step back after Bond left, but Theis has not missed a beat since taking over.
Even after navigating several transfers of starters that would have eventually broken the MU all time kills record (Autumn Bailey, and Taylor Louis) MU has never missed a tourney under him.
The grass isn’t always greener, eh?
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Rough day for former MU coach Bond Shymansky. (https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/hawkeyes/iowa-coach-bond-shymansky-placed-on-30-day-paid-administrative-leave-20190520) Placed on administrative leave pending investigation of what are being characterized as "significant" and "serious" NCAA violations. According to the article, in the AD's presser he said, "It’s a difficult day...There are a lot of emotions ... anger, sadness...(Our motto is) Win, Graduate, Do It Right. Clearly in this case, (Shymansky) came up short in ‘Do It Right.’” No bueno.
Update: Perhaps this is SOP in such situations, but it seems ominous that Iowa already named an Interim Head Coach (https://hawkeyesports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1666&path=wvball).
If you read about the departure from Georgia Tech........
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From the Des Moines Register: https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa/volleyball/2019/05/20/iowa-volleyball-coach-bond-shymansky-administrative-leave-significant-ncaa-violation/3744970002/
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Volleyball Nation League final round (at University of Illinois Chicago July 10-14) tickets are now on sale.
I just bought tickets for Saturday night's semifinal rounds (get both matches for less than the single match finals will be, plus a Saturday night vs. a Sunday afternoon).
Should be some good volleyball.
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Let's see how Shymansky's deeds play out with the investigation. This may have a tail to MU (although MU not tinged) if I am hearing correctly.
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Let's see how Shymansky's deeds play out with the investigation. This may have a tail to MU (although MU not tinged) if I am hearing correctly.
I suspect we might be hearing something similar. Are you hearing about a MU/UI transfer?
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Marquette put together another outstanding non-conference schedule (https://gomarquette.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=239):
@BYU (2018 RPI 5)
Boise State @BYU (131)
Utah Valley @BYU (92)
@Wisconsin (6)
Syracuse (36)
Baylor (17)
UCF @ISU (10)
Illinois @ISU (2)
@Illinois State (29)
Green Bay (127)
Saint Louis (192)
Northern Iowa (16)
They will be tested heading into the conference season. The average RPI is 28.
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I suspect we might be hearing something similar. Are you hearing about a MU/UI transfer?
Yep
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And, in a move that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, Shymansky was fired yesterday (https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/hawkeyes/bond-shymansky-iowa-volleyball-coach-fired-ncaa-violation-20190619).
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And, in a move that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, Shymansky was fired yesterday (https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/hawkeyes/bond-shymansky-iowa-volleyball-coach-fired-ncaa-violation-20190619).
he'll be hired by a SEC school soon.
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Shymansky breaks his silence (https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sports/college/iowa/2019/06/20/former-iowa-volleyball-coach-bond-shymansky-releases-statement-regarding-termination/1511546001/):
"For the past month, I have cooperated with the University's request to remain silent regarding the underlying basis for my suspension. Now that I have been terminated, it is time to shed light on the details and end any wild speculation.
"I did not discriminate against, abuse or harass anyone — and there has never been an allegation of sexual misconduct against me. In an act of compassion, I advanced funds to cover a young woman's unanticipated summer expenses in 2017. She came to Iowa City expecting to be on full scholarship, but when that status changed, she had nowhere else to turn. I have prided myself on running an NCAA-compliant program. However, I understand that I didn't 'do it right' by NCAA standards in this one instance and I am prepared to accept whatever sanction is deemed appropriate by the NCAA.
"I was born and raised a Hawkeye and wish to stay a part of this great community. I know big things are in store for coach Brown and the rest of the exceptional young women on our volleyball program. As a man of faith, I humbly apologize to anyone that my actions may have negatively impacted, and look forward to the next chapter in my life."
Bond is a good coach and a good guy, I hope he lands on his feet soon, and expect he will. I wouldn't hesitate to let one of my daughters play for him.
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There's an interesting wrinkle to the UConn to the Big East story -- for me, at least. One of the setters on UConn's roster is a local girl that my daughter has been playing against since they were little girls--CYO, HS and club. They might get a couple more matches in 2020, coming full circle to end their careers.
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MU volleyball getting a lot of love in the Big East Preseason rankings/awards (https://www.bigeast.com/news/2019/8/1/womens-volleyball-marquette-selected-as-preseason-favorite-in-bigeastvb-poll.aspx):
Coaches Poll
1. Marquette (80 pts) (8 first place votes)
2. Creighton (73) (2)
3. St. John's (64)
4. Villanova (55)
5. Butler (48)
6. Georgetown (40)
7. DePaul (27)
8. Seton Hall (26)
9. Xavier (23)
10. Providence (14)
2019 Preseason All-BIG EAST
(listed alphabetically by institution, then last name)
Anna Logan, Butler, R-Sr., OH
Megan Ballenger, Creighton, Sr., MB
Madelyn Cole, Creighton, Sr., S
Brittany Witt, Creighton, Sr., L
Brittany Maxwell, DePaul, R-Sr., RS
Allie Barber, Marquette, Sr., OH
Martha Konovodoff, Marquette, Jr., L
Hope Werch, Marquette, Jr., OH
Efronsini Alexakou, St. John’s, So., OH
Erica DiMaulo, St. John’s, Sr., S
Amanda Sanabia, St. John’s, Jr., L
Regan Lough, Villanova, Sr., L
POY: Allie Barber, Marquette, Sr., OH
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I think it's going to be really interesting to see how McLaughlin does at ND. I would have to think that within a couple of years he's going to be in on many of the top players in the Midwest. There is a lot of talent in Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio and Michigan. I also think he'll continue recruiting out West and will be able to do it better than a lot of Midwest schools because of his contacts and the Notre Dame name. Hiring Johnson from Xavier will give him some good inroads into the Midwest. If he can take 1-2 top players from the Midwest each year and still draw using the ND name, coupled with his coaching skill, I think ND will be a top 25 team within a pretty short time. The hire shows that they're committed to having a big-time volleyball program, and I think they'll be able to pull it off.
I was just looking through the thread for something and came across this old post. It's a shame that McLaughlin had health issues and couldn't stick around long enough to see where it would lead. He was heading in the right direction:
2014 RPI - 179 (McLaughlin hired after this season)
2015 RPI - 214
2016 RPI - 68
2017 RPI - 43 (McLaughlin retired after this season)
2018 RPI - 62
Obviously, the drop from 43 to 62 could be statistical noise and not any indicating of a post-McLaughlin slip. It'll be interesting to see how they do over the next couple years.
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Just turned on the PanAm games and Jenna Rosenthal is on the floor for team USA right now.
Didn’t expect to see that this morning.
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Are those new jerseys this year? I don't recall seeing them before. Those are pretty nice.
(https://gomarquette.com/images/2019/7/16/20190712_WV_Team_Photo_6x4_0526_MBA.jpg?width=1600)
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Thinking about heading over to Tokyo for the Olympics next summer. This should be the best shot at a gold medal the men's indoor team will have for the next couple Olympics with veterans like Anderson, Holt, and Shoji still being some of the best in the world at their positions and the younger guys now having medaled in an Olympics already (Russell, Sander, Jaeshke, Christensen). I think the only thing the US lacks is a really strong second middle. Jendryk is solid offensively but terrible defensively and Smith is just steady all around but not really the physical presence you need up front to keep blockers honest. You also won't be playing in the #1 team's home country. Right now I'd say it's 1A Poland, 1B USA, 1C Russia, 2A Brazil, 3A Italy.
Would try to get to a sand match and then the medal matches for both men's and women's indoor. Hoping I can find a way to keep the cost down through some connections but we'll see what happens there.
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MU has 2 matches tomorrow before a big matchup at BYU on Saturday. It looks like Saturday's match is at 8:00 PM Central Time and will be streamed on BYUTV, which, at least for men's volleyball matches, is outstanding. HD quality video from a good angle to see the whole court and all the action, plus they have (again, at least for the men's matches) 2 commentators who, while "homers" (in that they get excited for their Cougars), played and understand the game at a high level and give props to the opponent when due. I will definitely be watching this one on Saturday.
They also play at Wisconsin on Thursday.
It looks like Marquette is scheduling very aggressively. I don't know nearly enough to know what each of these teams brings back, but their non-conference schedule this year, along with the team's rank ahead of their name if they are ranked in the preseason poll, with last year's final RPI rankings is:
(N) Utah Valley - 92
(N) Boise State - 131
(A) 9 BYU - 5
(A) 5 Wisconsin - 6
(H) Syracuse - 36
(H) 20 Baylor - 17
(N) UCF - 10
(N) 6 Illinois - 2
(A) Illinois State - 29
(H) Green Bay - 127
(H) SLU - 192
(H) UNI - 13
Marquette finished last season 15th in the RPI and is ranked 16th in the preseason poll. I'm guessing the aggressive scheduling is to make up for what might continue to be a pretty week Big East conference. Creighton and Marquette are strong at the top and then there's a giant drop. Stillawarrior can probably tell more about what returns/who might make a jump or fall off this year in the Big East. Final Big East RPI rankings (with preseason ranking in front of the team name) from last season were:
18 Creighton 13
16 Marquette 15
St. John's 106
Nova 118
Georgetown 156
Xavier 186
Seton Hall 209
Butler 216
Providence 273
DePaul 276
That's pretty brutal, especially playing each of them twice. So for Marquette they'll get their wins in conference play, but their RPI will take a hit due to the lack of strength in the conference. So even if they lose every big game they play in the nonconference, it'll help them because their strength of schedule would otherwise be really bad without those matches.
It looks like the addition of UCONN might not help the Big East's women's volleyball much either, as they finished 147 in last year's RPI.
Other random observations/questions from the preseason top 25: can anyone beat Stanford come Tourney time? I say no. Big 10 with 5 teams ranked in the top 8. Yikes. Nebraska still at 2 despite losing Foecke? They're always strong, but that's a generational talent on the outside.
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Stanford is unreal. Don’t know how they weren’t unanimous no 1
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Stanford is unreal. Don’t know how they weren’t unanimous no 1
Maybe Stanford's coach won't vote his own team number 1? Not sure otherwise.
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Easy W to start the year. Managed to play 13 people as well so they’ll probably be relatively fresh for Boise St. tonight.
Lines is legit, nice to have two go-to pin hitters.
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This Thursday, Marquette is at Wisconsin on FS1.
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Tough kall der vs. GB/Bears, aina?
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Tough kall der vs. GB/Bears, aina?
No problem for a multiple tv set up.
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Also MU at BYU at 8:00 tonight on BYUTV. Thought it was only an online channel but just found out it’s channel 390 on Spectrum in Milwaukee.
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Also MU at BYU at 8:00 tonight on BYUTV. Thought it was only an online channel but just found out it’s channel 390 on Spectrum in Milwaukee.
No, HD. Yet, it will do!
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No, HD. Yet, it will do!
Ahh dang. The computer stream might be a better option then as that was always a great quality HD stream for men’s matches.
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Holy sh!t....
Open the checkbook for Theis.
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Impressive win for #16 Marquette at #9 BYU. Ended BYU's 26 home winning streak.
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That was emphatic. Interested to see how BYU does against Texas and Stanford. I'd be surprised if they took a set off of either, their passing was bad and their serving was even worse. But 25-12 is impressive no matter who you beat and even more so when it's in a place nobody other than BYU has won at in 26 matches.
Will be interesting to see how Marquette does at UW Thursday. Playing in that environment tonight will help but I think UW is just a better team than MU. If MU had a big setter and could run a 5-1 I'd be very excited about them.
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Yea just rewatched it.
Lines is a stud, Haak was solid for Marquette last year on the pin, but she isn’t even in the same league as Lines.
So is Konovodoff, and the rest of the back row. Everyone knows of Mary Lake but I’d argue MK played with her, super underrated libero.
I’d say the one major problem with Marquette is the middle. Yea its probably the least important position, but Rosenthal probably makes MU a top-10 Team this year. Orf has improved a ton, but the block really isn’t good.
Normally I’d agree with you Wades regarding a 5-1, however, Marquette’s pins are so versatile I think the constant switching of positions and having three hitters up at all times works for the makeup of this team.
Hope the block improves, guess we’ll find out real quick how big of a problem it’s gonna be agains Bucky.
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Holy sh!t....
Open the checkbook for Theis.
Lol. MU has lost three coaches in the past few months. BE Volleyball isn't keeping Ryan. MKE might. Stan makes a ton more.
Congrats to MUVB!
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I may or may not have happened upon a couple tickets to the match at Madison tomorrow from somebody on UW’s staff. Wish it wasn’t going to be in the UW guest list section. Would love to wear a Marquette sweatshirt but don’t think I should given where I’ll be sitting and who I got tickets from. Might have to settle for a Packers shirt.
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Baylor is going to be tough for MU. MU was able to have success keeping UW’s pins from scoring without blocking at all because UW’s pins just aren’t dynamic so they could funnel everything to the left side of MU’s court defensively and the libero and outsides just ate everything up. This outside on Baylor is going to be able to go down line over the block on MU. UW got a huge lead set 1 by serving tough and blocking everything. MU can’t block like that.
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Well that got very ugly very quickly. If you don't win the serve and pass game against Baylor you're probably not winning the match, and Marquette certainly did not win the serve and pass game. Didn't think it was a great gameplan for Marquette. Looked totally unprepared for the setter being offensive, Stafford swung cross body left every single swing she took and the block continued to player to her right, and they continued to target one passer and put the serve onto the passer rather than hit the seams, which is where Baylor gets in trouble.
Baylor is good. Position by position they win pretty much every matchup. L1 they win (and I'm counting Barber as our L1), L2 a wash, maybe a SLIGHT advantage to Wirch, S it's laughable the difference between the 2 sides in favor of Baylor, L wash, RS and MBs not even close in favor of Baylor. Marquette is probably somewhere between the 8th or so and 15th best team in the country, but the difference between the 5th or so best team and even the 8th best team is usually massive in women's volleyball.
The bright spot is that freshman outside can play and is going to be really good. Aggressive with her swing but smart and made some nice shots when the set wasn't perfect. Big and her ball control is decent for a freshman. Lines just overmatched by the Baylor block today.
I still think Marquette's ceiling is Elite 8 this year, and realistically probably a Sweet 16. The hope would be take care of everyone other than Illinois the rest of the non-conference season, split with Creighton and take care of the rest of the Big East like they should. If they do that they should be a top 8 seed come NCAA Tournament time and maybe you get a nice draw and can hold your seed.
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I was at the game today. Excellent crowd of almost 1,700. Baylor was just too good for Marquette.
"They executed perfectly from the serve pass, and we did not," head coach Ryan Theis said. "We have to play better at the beginning of matches. If they start off that confident its tough to win. You have to make people uncomfortable and we did not do that."
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My first game this season, agree with Wade's, they were superior at every position. Pressley was at a different level, she was fun to watch.
Ryan has had P5 offers and MU has done enough. There's a hometown discount in play, but theres probably 5-10 programs which would be hard to turn down.
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Many P5 offers are just not that great. Depends on the school, not the league. I would think the pay is around the same for most schools.
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General v-ball question:
Not enough 5th graders at my kids' school were interested in volleyball this year, so they opened the team up to the 4th grade girls. My daughter participated in an intro to volleyball class with the local parks district last winter (essentially, one hour of skills instruction each Saturday for 6 weeks) so she was among several 4th graders who volunteered to round out the team.
They had their first game this past weekend, and it's clear that the girls - both the 4th and 5th graders - need significant work. (I was not at the game, but my wife said she and the other moms stopped keeping track of the score.)
The girls only practice twice a week, which seems pretty light, so I'd like to supplement with some at-home instruction... I don't want to overwhelm, so my thought was to have her focus on one skill at home and let her work on the rest at practice.
The question is what to work on at home. Of the three basic skills at this level:
1) Setting is the easiest to work on,
2) Bumping is the primary move in games, and
3) Serving is essentially scoring (many serves aren't returned, so any serve in-bounds scores a point >75% of the time).
Since there's really no passing at this level, #1 seems like a waste. And between #2 and #3, my thought is that she'll have way more bumping opportunities than serving in a given game, so unless she can serve with great consistency (which I don't think 20 mins/day of is going to develop that consistency), my thought is bumping will likely make her more helpful to the team than serving.
Any thoughts?
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General v-ball question:
Not enough 5th graders at my kids' school were interested in volleyball this year, so they opened the team up to the 4th grade girls. My daughter participated in an intro to volleyball class with the local parks district last winter (essentially, one hour of skills instruction each Saturday for 6 weeks) so she was among several 4th graders who volunteered to round out the team.
They had their first game this past weekend, and it's clear that the girls - both the 4th and 5th graders - need significant work. (I was not at the game, but my wife said she and the other moms stopped keeping track of the score.)
The girls only practice twice a week, which seems pretty light, so I'd like to supplement with some at-home instruction... I don't want to overwhelm, so my thought was to have her focus on one skill at home and let her work on the rest at practice.
The question is what to work on at home. Of the three basic skills at this level:
1) Setting is the easiest to work on,
2) Bumping is the primary move in games, and
3) Serving is essentially scoring (many serves aren't returned, so any serve in-bounds scores a point >75% of the time).
Since there's really no passing at this level, #1 seems like a waste. And between #2 and #3, my thought is that she'll have way more bumping opportunities than serving in a given game, so unless she can serve with great consistency (which I don't think 20 mins/day of is going to develop that consistency), my thought is bumping will likely make her more helpful to the team than serving.
Any thoughts?
I would think that at that age/level, the most "bang for your buck" items would be passing (i.e., "bumping" -- get with the new lingo, old man ;)) and serving. Being able to pass the ball solidly in the right direction (or over the net, if appropriate) is a really good start. A good, solid platform and facing the target. And I'd work with her slowly but surely in being able to serve overhand. A good toss and solid contact and develop strong enough contact to get it over the net. Even if it doesn't come around for this year, you want that overhand contact to start to feel comfortable. At that age, a kid who can serve and hit overhand is a force.
Good luck.
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I would think that at that age/level, the most "bang for your buck" items would be passing (i.e., "bumping" -- get with the new lingo, old man ;)) and serving. Being able to pass the ball solidly in the right direction (or over the net, if appropriate) is a really good start. A good, solid platform and facing the target. And I'd work with her slowly but surely in being able to serve overhand. A good toss and solid contact and develop strong enough contact to get it over the net. Even if it doesn't come around for this year, you want that overhand contact to start to feel comfortable. At that age, a kid who can serve and hit overhand is a force.
Good luck.
And coincidentally those two skills win at the highest of high levels of volleyball. You can never be too good at serving or passing. For as complicated as volleyball can get, it almost always comes down to the serve and pass game.
My recommendation is to get good instruction on passing and from there to find a neighborhood kid (or brother/sister) also interested in the sport and to get out and pepper as much as possible. That might be a year or two away still, but just simply peppering from a young age will give your daughter a natural touch on the ball that really isn't taught.
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And coincidentally those two skills win at the highest of high levels of volleyball. You can never be too good at serving or passing. For as complicated as volleyball can get, it almost always comes down to the serve and pass game.
My recommendation is to get good instruction on passing and from there to find a neighborhood kid (or brother/sister) also interested in the sport and to get out and pepper as much as possible. That might be a year or two away still, but just simply peppering from a young age will give your daughter a natural touch on the ball that really isn't taught.
As I said, there's not a lot of passing at this level (at least of the controlled variety)... a free ball scores a point almost as often as an in-bounds serve.
We're going to work on the bumping forearm pass, first. Once she's comfortable there, we'll move on to serving.
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As I said, there's not a lot of passing at this level (at least of the controlled variety)... a free ball scores a point almost as often as an in-bounds serve.
We're going to work on the bumping forearm pass, first. Once she's comfortable there, we'll move on to serving.
Good luck. It's a great sport, and has been a huge part of our lives for the better part of a decade. As maddening as it was at the time, I miss those early days. I hope she loves it and does well. I also hope she grows to be 6'+ with hops.
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As I said, there's not a lot of passing at this level (at least of the controlled variety)... a free ball scores a point almost as often as an in-bounds serve.
We're going to work on the bumping forearm pass, first. Once she's comfortable there, we'll move on to serving.
Huge part of our family’s lives. Repetition, repetition, repetition. Have fun.
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Huge part of our family’s lives. Repetition, repetition, repetition. Have fun.
Totally agree. I’m coming at it from a soccer perspective, but confidence in the fundamentals breeds confidence in play and each other. My son trains three nights a week and outside of training has to complete 15,000 “touches” (for you passing, serving, etc.). Starts at the earliest level and increases in total and difficulty. Just be sure to do every touch perfectly, as perfect practice makes perfect. It is incredible to watch a young athlete grow, and when they plateau as all young athletes do, refocus on the basics. Enjoy!
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Daughter's first game was this past weekend. The 4th graders rotate in and out to give the 5th graders the majority of the floor time, so she saw very limited action; however, she did go 3 for 3 on serves and was 1 for 1 on kills (read: bumping for a point).
I quipped to my wife afterwards that [I was thankful] she wasn't the worst player on her team, by far. Although I'm clearly biased on the matter, she might have been the best player on the team Saturday.
I stand corrected... having now seen a game, serving is clearly more important at this level.
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Marquette is now behind BYU with the same overall record and a win AT BYU and behind Wisconsin despite a BETTER record and a win AT UW. Pretty bad.
Not to mention Washington sweeping Wisconsin...TWICE...and being behind Wisconsin in the newest poll.
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Marquette is now behind BYU with the same overall record and a win AT BYU and behind Wisconsin despite a BETTER record and a win AT UW. Pretty bad.
Not to mention Washington sweeping Wisconsin...TWICE...and being behind Wisconsin in the newest poll.
How much do those polls correlate with NCAA seeding?
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How much do those polls correlate with NCAA seeding?
I think they end up being pretty similar. I don’t know how much weight is put into each poll but they do have an RPI for women’s volleyball as well.
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Marquette is now behind BYU with the same overall record and a win AT BYU and behind Wisconsin despite a BETTER record and a win AT UW. Pretty bad.
Not to mention Washington sweeping Wisconsin...TWICE...and being behind Wisconsin in the newest poll.
That’s what happens when it gets to Big East season unfortunately. Needed that win against Illinois.
Also probably need to beat Creighton 3 times to boost their ranking.
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Marquette is now behind BYU with the same overall record and a win AT BYU and behind Wisconsin despite a BETTER record and a win AT UW. Pretty bad.
Not to mention Washington sweeping Wisconsin...TWICE...and being behind Wisconsin in the newest poll.
Wisconsin is 6th in the RPI while MU is 12 and BYU 16. That's what's going to be used for seeding over AVCA rankings. Conference reputation comes into play here. Big Ten and WCC are stronger traditionally and even this year. After MU and Creighton the next highest RPI in the BE is Nova and 60 and St. John's at 90. Three teams over 200. Maryland is the lowest Big Ten team at 105, eight teams in the top 50.
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Marquette is now behind BYU with the same overall record and a win AT BYU and behind Wisconsin despite a BETTER record and a win AT UW. Pretty bad.
Not to mention Washington sweeping Wisconsin...TWICE...and being behind Wisconsin in the newest poll.
Don’t lose to Illinois and things look different.
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Don’t lose to Illinois and things look different.
Not really, though. Neutral court 5 set loss an hour from a top 20 team.
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Just unable to beat Creighton. I know they’re a good team but it’s so frustrating.
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What happened to Lynes? Might be slightly better offensively when she’s out but the defense and serve receive are significantly worse.
The pin blockers block like they are middles and I’m not sure why. High and incredibly wide. Just targets for the tool or field goals to terminate through.
Setting stinks.
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Just unable to beat Creighton. I know they’re a good team but it’s so frustrating.
MU gave away 7 points in that 3rd set on serves OOB or into the net.
You have got to put the ball in play.
Great crowd—fun night.
Didn’t have it in 5th set.
CU is scrappy.
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MU gave away 7 points in that 3rd set on serves OOB or into the net.
You have got to put the ball in play.
Great crowd—fun night.
Didn’t have it in 5th set.
CU is scrappy.
A number of service errors against Wisconsin and Illinois at key spots, too. Survived one of those, not the other.
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Marquette up to 9 in the AP poll, 12 in the RPI. I believe they host stillawarrior's Hoyas this weekend as well as Villanova, who just did Marquette a great favor by sweeping Creighton this past weekend to allow Marquette to pull into a tie for first in the BE (Creighton has the tiebreaker with the win at Marquette). They have this weekend and then go to Creighton and Providence next weekend and then host the Big East Tournament the following weekend. My best guess is that, barring 5 straight losses to end the year which just isn't going to happen, Marquette will host the first two rounds in the NCAA as a top 16 seed but then will go on the road for the Sweet 16 and Elite 8, as they will not be a top 4 seed.
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What’s up with Lines? Her and Speckman were out vs. Creighton but Speckman has been back.
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I believe they host stillawarrior's Hoyas this weekend...barring 5 straight losses to end the year...
I can say with a pretty high degree of confidence that any thought of this will be put to rest by about 8:15 CT on Friday evening. It's been a disappointing season for the Hoyas; the progress they made last year is a distant memory (and even then, MU totally dominated them).
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What’s up with Lines? Her and Speckman were out vs. Creighton but Speckman has been back.
I have been keeping an eye on the box scores and Lines hasn't returned. I haven't heard what the injury is. I was at the Creighton game and she was in "street clothes" and walking gingerly. Kind of seemed like a knee injury but I couldn't tell.
The freshman that has filled her spot is really good, has a really high ceiling I think. I think they're better offensively with the freshman in there, but I do think Lines was outstanding defensively so overall it hurts the team, as that's really how they win matches. Ball control teams out of the gym and have your big stud go to work. They also run a funky system where it's a 6-2 but they have Barber swinging left in the right side position. From when I've watched they would have Lines in there with Barber front row but now have Werch with Barber, so Werch plays some on the right. I like Werch a lot more on the left. Another thing that Marquette was doing, at least in the Wisconsin match, with Lines in there was they would put Barber on the right when they were serving to throw up a bigger block on the opponent's left side attack. Against Creighton, with their freshman star outside absolutely dominating Marquette, I kept waiting for Marquette to make that adjustment and they just never did. To me they probably win that match if they match Barber up with Davis on the right when serving.
I can say with a pretty high degree of confidence that any thought of this will be put to rest by about 8:15 CT on Friday evening. It's been a disappointing season for the Hoyas; the progress they made last year is a distant memory (and even then, MU totally dominated them).
Yeah, and at Providence should be a pretty easy win. Home vs. Nova should be a win but they're playing well, so you never know. And hosting the conference tournament you should get at least one win in there.
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Nice bounce back tonight after losing the first set to win the next 3 sets and beat Villanova on Senior Night to move to 25-3 I believe. That's what the top of their schedule page says and is the correct record as far as I can tell. But the box score and game recap list a 24-4 record. I think they only lost to Baylor, Illinois and Creighton though.
Big game on Friday of course at Creighton.
Go Marquette!
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Big match coming up Friday night at 6P central at Creighton. Big East TV link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3JohUh4pFw
Go Marquette!!!
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I would be very surprised if Marquette even got to the Sweet Sixteen. They aren’t great. Without lines their passing really, really stinks (which I don’t really understand because Vandenberg isn’t really that bad in serve reception). But regardless MU is way too one dimensional and teams just have to worry about Barber. Werch has been terrible both times MU has played Creighton. Koontz is forced to continue playing despite being totally ineffective (no blocking ability at all and no arm at all. The only chance of her getting kills is tooling the block on a quick set back).
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Trailing 2 sets to 1 and down 18-11 at the moment. Not looking good
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Just cannot beat Creighton. What are they 0 for their last 8 now?
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Big East Awards and honors:
Big East Player of the Year:. Allie Barber (Sr) (for the 2nd time)
All Big East:. Martha Konovodoff (Jr) Hope Werch, (Jr)
All Big East Freshman Team: Hannah Vanden Berg
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Marquette wins in 3 sets over Villanova today.
St. John's took the first set over Creighton and leads 10-7 in the 2nd set.
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Creighton swept by St John’s.. MU plays Redmen Redwomen Redstorm for the title tomorrow at MU.
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Game is at 3:30 on FS2.
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I would be licking my chops if I was a smaller conference champion that drew Marquette first round. Marquette simply isn’t very good right now. Serve and pass game is HORRENDOUS. Would be very surprised if Marquette is playing the second week of the Tournament.
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SJU should be at MU today, but hopefully I am wrong. Vball picks not as strong for me.
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SJU should be at MU today, but hopefully I am wrong. Vball picks not as strong for me.
Wait. Are you seriously picking St. John’s over Marquette...after St. John’s beat Marquette?
Well damn Cheeks! How do you do it?!
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Wait. Are you seriously picking St. John’s over Marquette...after St. John’s beat Marquette?
Well damn Cheeks! How do you do it?!
Yes. Is the game over?
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Yes. Is the game over?
L-O-Freaking-L!
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Man this day of college football has been something...
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Man this day of college football has been something...
Cheeks will make his predictions for it tomorrow!
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L-O-Freaking-L!
Sorry, just saw the score...didn’t know. Not surprised at result.
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Cheeks will make his predictions for it tomorrow!
Made the college football picks last week, you even acknowledged them...last week. LOL.
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Cheeks will make his predictions for it tomorrow!
But he had lunch with Jerry Palm last week, no?
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The Selection Show is on ESPNU at 7:30P Central tonight.
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MU's bubble burst to get a top 16 seed.
Marquette vs Dayton
16 Purdue vs Wright State.
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While I don’t think Marquette is very good right now, they got totally screwed in not getting one of the top 16 seeds. There’s no way they didn’t have one of the top 16 resumes in the country.
Dayton is not an easy opening match. Could definitely be one and done in the Tournament.
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While I don’t think Marquette is very good right now, they got totally screwed in not getting one of the top 16 seeds. There’s no way they didn’t have one of the top 16 resumes in the country.
Dayton is not an easy opening match. Could definitely be one and done in the Tournament.
I won the MU vs. Purdue bet with my Boilermaker when they played in MBB. I'm not feeling inclined to press my luck if they meet in the second round.
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Was at the Notre Dame vs. UCLA match so didn’t see the MU match but it looks like they didn’t have much problem with Dayton. Nice win.
If MU wasn’t going to be seeded I don’t hate the Purdue draw for them (which makes sense given they were the last team to be seeded). I know nothing about them but I think the B1G was overrated this year and they lost enough games without a ton of big wins. If MU passes well (big if) they can play with most teams in the country. Here’s to hoping they pass well tomorrow.
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Which is unfortunate because their back row used to be so good. I don’t know how it turned so quickly.
It was especially important since their block is very subpar.
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I cannot imagine there is a worse passing team in the NCAA Tournament field than Marquette. Absolutely brutal. Combine that with your two setters combining to weigh like 175 lbs. and they’re trying to sprint down passes at 15 feet 2 out of every 3 serve receives and it’s a recipe for a blowout.
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Completely fell apart, too bad. Was tied at 10 in the second (already up one set to none) and Purdue dominated from then on, not even close. I don’t watch a lot, but I was surprised at the lack of a block especially compared to UW and the other big dogs. Was really hoping they advanced.
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Completely fell apart, too bad. Was tied at 10 in the second (already up one set to none) and Purdue dominated from then on, not even close. I don’t watch a lot, but I was surprised at the lack of a block especially compared to UW and the other big dogs. Was really hoping they advanced.
Haven’t we won the first set of our last three losses?
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Haven’t we won the first set of our last three losses?
I think you are correct
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Haven’t we won the first set of our last three losses?
Went down 0-2 to St. John’s in the BE Tourney finals.
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Went down 0-2 to St. John’s in the BE Tourney finals.
Got it, thanks for correction.
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This is so, so true. I have to laugh because the Georgetown board has a volleyball section, and there was a poster last year that was complaining that Georgetown wasn't competing for national championships in volleyball. While I agree that Georgetown needs to get better, competing for national championships is just an absurd goal (competing for a spot in the Big East tourney was a nice start). There are about a half-dozen teams that are legitimately competing for national championships in volleyball. And, as you said, the gap between them and the next level of teams is enormous. Creighton and Marquette were outstanding teams this year and undeniably head and shoulders above the rest of the conference. But it would be an absolutely earth-shattering "Douglas beats Tyson" upset if they won the title. Probably even bigger than that.
I was really disappointed when Stanford and Nebraska won in the semis because I would have really liked to see some new blood. And even BYU and Illinois -- either of which would have been seen as a real surprise -- are among a group that has been hanging around the top for years. I just took a look at the last 10 final fours and it's amazing how few teams have been involved:
- Only 18 teams have played in the FF: Tex (7); Penn St. (6); Stanford (4); Nebraska (4); Minnesota (3); BYU (2); Illinois (2); USC (2); Florida (1); Kansas (1); Wisconsin (1); Washington (1); Oregon (1); Michigan (1); UCLA (1); FSU (1); Cal (1); Hawaii (1).
- Only 11 teams have played in the championship match: Penn State (4); Texas (4); Nebraska (3); Stanford (2); Florida (1); BYU (1); Wisconsin (1); Oregon (1); UCLA (1); Illinois (1) and Cal (1).
- Ony 5 teams have won titles: Penn State (4); Stanford (2); Nebraska (2); Texas (1) and UCLA (1).
So, even this year's "underdogs" in the Final Four (Illinois and BYU) are among the truly elite with both having played in the championship match and multiple final fours in the past decade.
I would love to see someone -- anyone -- from a conference other than the BIG or PAC (and Texas) win a title. But, it will be an extraordinary upset when it happens. It looked like maybe BYU had a shot this year, but they had some bad luck down the stretch with injuries.
Following up a year later, is this the year that an underdog will breach through and win a title? There's some potential there...but there was potential last year at this time. A week from now, we could still have a Final Four of Stanford, Nebraska, Texas and Washington. At least Washington would be kind of newish.
Here are the final sixteen teams (highlighting teams that haven't made a FF in the last 10 or so years):
Baylor (1)(Big 12)
Purdue (16)(Big 10)
Kentucky (9)(SEC)
Washington (8)(PAC)
We've got a legitimate shot to have a "new" team make the FF from this quad.
Nebraska (5)(Big 10)
Hawaii (12)(Big West)
Texas A&M (13)(SEC)
Wisconsin (4)(Big 10)
Unlikely to see any "new" blood out of this quadrant. Sorry, TAMU.
Texas (2)(Big 12)
Louisville (Unseeded)(ACC)
Minnesota (7)(Big 10)
Florida (10)(SEC)
Ditto.
Stanford (2)(PAC)
Utah (Unseeded)(PAC)
Penn State (11)(Big 10)
Cincinnati (Unseeded)(AAC)
If I were betting, my money would be on Stanford and Penn State...but Utah looked fantastic against BYU. Fingers crossed (but still a PAC team).
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Following up a year later, is this the year that an underdog will breach through and win a title? There's some potential there...but there was potential last year at this time. A week from now, we could still have a Final Four of Stanford, Nebraska, Texas and Washington. At least Washington would be kind of newish.
Here are the final sixteen teams (highlighting teams that haven't made a FF in the last 10 or so years):
Baylor (1)(Big 12)
Purdue (16)(Big 10)
Kentucky (9)(SEC)
Washington (8)(PAC)
We've got a legitimate shot to have a "new" team make the FF from this quad.
Nebraska (5)(Big 10)
Hawaii (12)(Big West)
Texas A&M (13)(SEC)
Wisconsin (4)(Big 10)
Unlikely to see any "new" blood out of this quadrant. Sorry, TAMU.
Texas (2)(Big 12)
Louisville (Unseeded)(ACC)
Minnesota (7)(Big 10)
Florida (10)(SEC)
Ditto.
Stanford (2)(PAC)
Utah (Unseeded)(PAC)
Penn State (11)(Big 10)
Cincinnati (Unseeded)(AAC)
If I were betting, my money would be on Stanford and Penn State...but Utah looked fantastic against BYU. Fingers crossed (but still a PAC team).
I’ve got chalk all the way around as far as who makes it to the Final Four.
I like Washington a lot and think they’re the most likely to pull off an “upset.” Everyone has been trying to find reasons to not pick Baylor. They just keep winning and have the most dominant offensive player in the country (and a number of other good offensive options).
I’d be surprised if anyone other than Stanford wins the title.
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If anyone is interested in buying tickets to the Sweet Sixteen matches in Madison (1:00 and 3:30 on Friday) shoot me a message. Have 3 available. Bought them for $150. Hoping to get $120 or so back.
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Down goes Texas.
I hadn’t seen much of them but from what I had I thought they were the second best team behind Stanford. Losing at home to an unseeded Lousville...yikes.
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This sucks. I want to root for an underdog. I want new blood. I want someone outside the BI6 or PAC to win. But my options are Baylor and Louisville?! Damn it.
Go Bears...I guess. Now I’ve gotta go take another shower. Damn it.
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If MU wasn’t going to be seeded I don’t hate the Purdue draw for them (which makes sense given they were the last team to be seeded). I know nothing about them but I think the B1G was overrated this year and they lost enough games without a ton of big wins. If MU passes well (big if) they can play with most teams in the country. Here’s to hoping they pass well tomorrow.
Big Ten doing pretty well so far. Crapshoot, of course.
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Big Ten doing pretty well so far. Crapshoot, of course.
Yeah when you get high seeds you get easier paths.
Not a crapshoot.
Now you want to champion Midwest volleyball. What happened to West Coast volleyball?
More pretzels from Cheeks.
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Yeah when you get high seeds you get easier paths.
Not a crapshoot.
Now you want to champion Midwest volleyball. What happened to West Coast volleyball?
More pretzels from Cheeks.
For the women...nope, don't think ever made such a claim...feel free to find it if I did. Maybe Stanford can pull it off for the west coast. For the men, absolutely the dominance has been west coast over the long haul.
Agree on the seedings, of course they earned those seedings. I'll be cheering for Baylor...Mack continues to put his mark on the various programs at that university. Very happy for him. If not Baylor, then I hope the Cardinal can pull it off.
Who do you have winning it all?
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For the women...nope, don't think ever made such a claim...feel free to find it if I did. Maybe Stanford can pull it off for the west coast. For the men, absolutely the dominance has been west coast over the long haul.
Agree on the seedings, of course they earned those seedings. I'll be cheering for Baylor...Mack continues to put his mark on the various programs at that university. Very happy for him. If not Baylor, then I hope the Cardinal can pull it off.
Who do you have winning it all?
Stanford over Baylor. But I think that will be a much better match than the walkthrough most people believe Stanford will have.
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Stanford owning The Badgers
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Conference of Champions! 8-)
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Conference of Champions! 8-)
Indeed...nice to see
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it is the 8th women's volleyball National title for Stanford.
It is Stanford's 124th team NCAA National Title in 20 sports.
They have 38 other non-sanctioned National Titles.
They have 41 club sport National Titles.
They have had 522 individual National Titles.
They have won at least one NCAA team National Title for 44 straight years.
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it is the 8th women's volleyball National title for Stanford.
It is Stanford's 124th team NCAA National Title in 20 sports.
They have 38 other non-sanctioned National Titles.
They have 41 club sport National Titles.
They have had 522 individual National Titles.
They have won at least one NCAA team National Title for 44 straight years.
9th women’s volleyball title.
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9th women’s volleyball title.
Yep, tough to keep up with them. 3rd in 4 years. The men’s volleyball team has two. Just won women’s soccer, men made final four soccer and their women’s hoops team is currently
number one among others.
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I'm seeing a rumor reported on a volleyball board that Theiss is heading to tOSU. I have absolutely no idea if it is true or not (at least one other coach has been rumored for the job). I hope not; he's done a great job at MU. Has anyone close to the MU program heard anything?
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I'm seeing a rumor reported on a volleyball board that Theiss is heading to tOSU. I have absolutely no idea if it is true or not (at least one other coach has been rumored for the job). I hope not; he's done a great job at MU. Has anyone close to the MU program heard anything?
That would be disappointing. They’ve been down the past few seasons but I get it, it’s the Big 10.
Just really hard for Marquette to retain coaches in non-basketball sports.
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If true (I have no idea whatsoever), I am very biased but I would love for this to be his replacement.
https://uclabruins.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/coaches/brad-keller/3361
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That would be disappointing. They’ve been down the past few seasons but I get it, it’s the Big 10.
Just really hard for Marquette to retain coaches in non-basketball sports.
As I said, I hope it isn't true. There have also been rumors that Louisville's coach is taking the job; I hope that's the case. But tOSU is a really attractive job. The conference is outstanding and they have tons of money. They just built a new 3700 seat arena for volleyball (other sports will use it too...but I think VB is primary). There is a lot of good volleyball in the area. That would be two consecutive coaches leaving MU for the Big Ten. I'd hope Theiss would consider that just going to the bigger conference isn't necessarily better if you're at or near the bottom. See, e.g. Shymanski and Aird.
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Now somebody acting like he/she knows says it's not Theiss. Then again, the prior person was acting like he/she knew, too.
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Now somebody acting like he/she knows says it's not Theiss. Then again, the prior person was acting like he/she knew, too.
Is this on volleytalk?
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Is this on volleytalk?
Yes
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Theiss is not heading to tOSU. That's good news. Sorry to have come here with an incorrect rumor.
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Theiss is not heading to tOSU. That's good news. Sorry to have come here with an incorrect rumor.
I just took a very, very quick peak at Volleytalk after you and Chitown mentioned it, and saw someone bring up his name for the USC job (don't think it was any kind of insider information, just a "wouldn't be surprised if/you could do worse than..." If you follow Volleytalk closer, is there any real talk of him for USC (or any other job)?
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I just took a very, very quick peak at Volleytalk after you and Chitown mentioned it, and saw someone bring up his name for the USC job (don't think it was any kind of insider information, just a "wouldn't be surprised if/you could do worse than..." If you follow Volleytalk closer, is there any real talk of him for USC (or any other job)?
I avoid USC threads like the plague. Those people are crazy. I searched it, and saw only that one mention.
Theiss is doing a really nice job at Marquette. I imagine it's only a matter of time before bigger programs come calling. As I said before, I hope that he will consider being at the top of the Big East preferable to being at the bottom of a bigger conference. Obviously, if an opportunity at a top program in a better conference comes available, he'd be crazy not to consider it. But I don't think being cannon fodder in the Big or Pac would be an improvement over Marquette.
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If true (I have no idea whatsoever), I am very biased but I would love for this to be his replacement.
https://uclabruins.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/coaches/brad-keller/3361
Apparently, since MU didn't open up, Keller went looking for a different job (https://usctrojans.com/sports/womens-volleyball). I guess he'll have to be satisfied with that.
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Apparently, since MU didn't open up, Keller went looking for a different job (https://usctrojans.com/sports/womens-volleyball). I guess he'll have to be satisfied with that.
moving expenses should be quite low.
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Apparently, since MU didn't open up, Keller went looking for a different job (https://usctrojans.com/sports/womens-volleyball). I guess he'll have to be satisfied with that.
Yup, very happy for him. Back when Theis took the job we had asked Keller if he would get into the women's side of the game again (he spent a year or two as an assistant out at UCONN) and he wanted in, but it was way too late in the process. When we talked to him after they played in Madison the first round of the NCAA Tournament he said he wanted the MU job then but was very complimentary to Theis and what he's done at MU. They had definitely watched the MU win over UW in their scouting, as he basically recited what MU did to UW as their game plan going into the match with UW in the 2nd round.
He also said he really wanted the OSU job, as that had just opened up, but said he wouldn't even get a look from them. Guess he fell forward into this one. The OSU job could be attractive (they'll invest in the program, so with the right coach there will be success), but USC is a top 10 program overall.
Karma can be a biotch. Keller was on Bill Ferguson's staff with the USC men's team when they were getting top talent but not getting the elusive NCAA Title, so Bill fired the assistants on the staff under some pretty shady circumstances. Bill then got fired a year or two later, went off to Wake Forrest, and now faces multiple charges in the college bribery scheme/was fired from Wake Forrest, while Brad becomes the head coach of the USC women's program.
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Already had my tickets to the men's volleyball Final Four in DC in early May. Sucks. Feel bad for all the seniors.
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Stanford is cutting 11 varsity sports programs, including men’s volleyball. That is not good.
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Stanford is cutting 11 varsity sports programs, including men’s volleyball. That is not good.
Stanford AND Brown. Just the start, add every university and every sport. It is the new world and every school has a different view of low hanging fruit. Sorry for a trite expression I first heard 15 years ago.
Brown is ending equestrian and squash, fencing and golf are going away.
Can't believe they are ending synchronized swimming, can't believe they have synchronized swimming.
With sports like light weight rowing it is easier to start cutting. Looks like lacrose, hockey and football remain in place, for now.
BTW, stay off my grass, just kidding. We are in a very serious position, UNITED is laying off 35,000, just the tip of what is coming.
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No volleyball at Georgetown this fall. Also, they got a(nother) new coach.
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I saw this article ..
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2020/12/2/21867225/marquette-golden-eagles-volleyball-taylor-wolf-konovodoff-mohr-martinez-rose
.. The last bit from the press release (https://gomarquette.com/news/2020/12/1/womens-volleyball-marquette-volleyball-announces-additions-of-taylor-wolf.aspx) ..
"This fall Sarah Rose was diagnosed with Ewing Sarcoma, which will prevent her from participating in her senior year. "
Um, can someone explain .. wouldn't that be a HIPPA violation to release that one of your players has cancer?
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I saw this article ..
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2020/12/2/21867225/marquette-golden-eagles-volleyball-taylor-wolf-konovodoff-mohr-martinez-rose
.. The last bit from the press release (https://gomarquette.com/news/2020/12/1/womens-volleyball-marquette-volleyball-announces-additions-of-taylor-wolf.aspx) ..
"This fall Sarah Rose was diagnosed with Ewing Sarcoma, which will prevent her from participating in her senior year. "
Um, can someone explain .. wouldn't that be a HIPPA violation to release that one of your players has cancer?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if she has already disclosed it, then it cannot be a violation.
Having said that, I have no idea if she had disclosed her diagnosis.
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Damn, Konovodoff is a massive loss. She’s one of the best liberos in the entire country.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if she has already disclosed it, then it cannot be a violation.
Having said that, I have no idea if she had disclosed her diagnosis.
That's what I was thinking .. I googled her name and the cancer type, no hits .. it begs the question, what is "disclosed." If I disclose to 3 people, or yell it in the hallway .. is that disclosed?
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That's what I was thinking .. I googled her name and the cancer type, no hits .. it begs the question, what is "disclosed." If I disclose to 3 people, or yell it in the hallway .. is that disclosed?
You could make that argument should something like this go to court.
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I'm 99% sure that Marquette got the student's permission before including that information.
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I'm 99% sure that Marquette got the student's permission before including that information.
Exactly. My guess is that she didn't want this disclosed beforehand and only agreed to this short mention.
And it wouldn't be a HIPAA violation since Marquette isn't providing the health care. It would be a FERPA violation.
You could make that argument should something like this go to court.
From what I understand, an individual doesn't have standing to sue for either HIPPA or FERPA. It is handled administratively through the Department of Education.
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I'm 99% sure that Marquette got the student's permission before including that information.
Also, while it may not have been widely known before the MU press release, it was publicly known.
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Based on what I’m hearing, it seems that the Big East may be a 10-team league (at most) for volleyball this spring.
On a related note, it would seem that I’ve seen my daughter play her last volleyball match. Kind of a bummer. I wish I’d known at the time.
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Marquette released what I assume is a partial schedule (https://gomarquette.com/sports/womens-volleyball/schedule):
- 1/22 (5:30 CT) vs Illinois State
- 1/23 (1:00 CT) vs Illinois State
- 1/30 (TBA) @ Northern Iowa
- 1/31 (TBA) vs Drake (@UNI)
- 2/5 (TBA) @ Creighton
- 2/6 (TBA) @ Creighton
- 2/26 (TBA) vs Saint Louis
- 2/27 (TBA) vs Iowa State
Looking at opponents' schedules, we can add these dates that don't appear on MU's schedule:
- 2/19 (7:00 CT) vs Creighton
- 2/20 (1:00 CT) vs Creighton
- 3/5 (6:00 EST) @ Butler
- 3/6 (4:00 EST) @ Butler
- 3/13 (3:00 EST) @ Xavier
- 3/14 (3:00 EST) @ Xavier
- 4/2 (TBA) Big East Tournament @ Creighton
- 4/3 (TBA) Big East Tournament @ Creighton
I assume they're plugging Xavier and DePaul into those open weekends in February and/or the remaining weekends in March.
Edited to add the Xavier matches after X released its schedule.
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Have the Marquette vs. Creighton match on my computer with the Bucks on the TV. Underwhelmed by both teams. Can’t imagine playing with a mask in makes it easier to play though.
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Marquette was up 9-5 in the fifth and lost 15-11. Pretty terrible.
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Marquette was up 9-5 in the fifth and lost 15-11. Pretty terrible.
Lots of matches between the two schools this season. Should be a battle for both.
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The Big Ten games I've flipped on, the girls don't have the masks on. I wonder what the rules are.
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For anybody interested, the "I Think We're Good Here" podcast had Marv Dunphy as today's guest. Marv is the GOAT when it comes to men's volleyball coaching, and he has some awesome stories. It's not the most exciting podcast ever, it's really just three guys sitting around telling some stories. But having been lucky enough to get to know Marv and some of the people in the stories, it was an awesome listen for me. He did his dissertation on John Wooden and has some stories from his time working with John.
https://ithinkweregoodhere.podbean.com/
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25th ranked Marquette bounced back after losing a close 5 setter at 19th ranked Creighton, to defeat the same team (Creighton) in strong 3 set fashion. 25-21,25-14,25-23. Nice effort in Omaha this weekend over two matches.
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25th ranked Marquette bounced back after losing a close 5 setter at 19th ranked Creighton, to defeat the same team (Creighton) in strong 3 set fashion. 25-21,25-14,25-23. Nice effort in Omaha this weekend over two matches.
That was a nice win for MU coming on the heels of a tough loss. It was also an important win because Creighton has absolutely owned MU for years (I think 8 straight before Saturday, and 15 of the last 16 going back to 2014). I think Creighton is a little down this year, so it might be MU's opportunity to win the conference. Hopefully this win will give them some confidence to propel themselves forward.
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That was a nice win for MU coming on the heels of a tough loss. It was also an important win because Creighton has absolutely owned MU for years (I think 8 straight before Saturday, and 15 of the last 16 going back to 2014). I think Creighton is a little down this year, so it might be MU's opportunity to win the conference. Hopefully this win will give them some confidence to propel themselves forward.
Yeah I think I read that they hadn't beaten Creighton since 2013. These games were considered non-conference contests I believe and the ones counting for the conference are coming up in a couple weeks I think.
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Yeah I think I read that they hadn't beaten Creighton since 2013. These games were considered non-conference contests I believe and the ones counting for the conference are coming up in a couple weeks I think.
They beat Creighton once in 2017 (https://gomarquette.com/news/2017/10/5/Marquette_Sweeps_No_12_Creighton_3_0.aspx), but before that, you have to go back to 2013.
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They beat Creighton once in 2017 (https://gomarquette.com/news/2017/10/5/Marquette_Sweeps_No_12_Creighton_3_0.aspx), but before that, you have to go back to 2013.
Ok thanks - wasn't sure about that stat and for a good reason as I see I was wrong :).
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Volleyball senior Sarah Rose fights cancer
https://gomarquette.com/news/2021/2/9/womens-volleyball-vb-senior-sarah-rose-fights-ewing-sarcoma.aspx
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Volleyball senior Sarah Rose fights cancer
https://gomarquette.com/news/2021/2/9/womens-volleyball-vb-senior-sarah-rose-fights-ewing-sarcoma.aspx
Women’s Basketball is participating in this with their home game Friday versus Villanova. Best wishes for Sarah as she battled cancer.
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Creighton not making the trip to MKE this weekend, COVID issues. No make up date scheduled yet.
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Creighton not making the trip to MKE this weekend, COVID issues. No make up date scheduled yet.
I was really sorry to see this today especially with the plans this weekend to honor Sarah Rose.
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Sarah Rose was honored today and got to serve - pretty cool - https://twitter.com/MarquetteVB/status/1365810110279352323
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A professional women’s league in the US started last night. They have matches going on tonight at 7:00 Central on Fox Sports 2.
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Here is the schedule
https://www.foxsports.com/presspass/latest-news/2021/02/26/fox-sports-2021-athletes-unlimited-volleyball-schedule
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Pretty impressive level of play. Much faster game than even the highest D1 level.
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Sarah Rose was honored today and got to serve - pretty cool - https://twitter.com/MarquetteVB/status/1365810110279352323
That was very cool. Good on ISU for taking the ace as well. I’d assume MU gave ISU an ace their first serve.
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That was very cool. Good on ISU for taking the ace as well. I’d assume MU gave ISU an ace their first serve.
That's what I was guessing happened too but I didn't look it up. I had no idea they were going to do this and it was cool to see the video of it.
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Marquette volleyball program has a positive COVID test.
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Marquette volleyball program has a positive COVID test.
That sucks :(. Hope everyone recovers ok.
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Big East Semifinal Sweep of the Johnnies:
https://twitter.com/marquettevb/status/1378077751484297219?s=21
https://twitter.com/marquettevb/status/1378079556318412802?s=21
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Big East Tourney Title on the line for Marquette vs Creighton.
11:30am Central. FS1.
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Well Marquette really screwed that one up...
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NCAA Women's Volleyball Final Four is set. 75% of it is went according to seeding.
Washington
Wisconsin
Texas
Kentucky
(Minnesota was upset by #10 Pittsburgh, who then lost a close match to #6 Washington. The others were top 4 seeds. It is Kentucky's first ever Women's Volleyball Final Four. (Kentucky over Purdue, Wisconsin over Florida, Texas over Nebraska,)
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Nations league starting up again. Haven’t paid attention in a while. What does the US lineup look like these days?
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Yup, still don’t understand Speraw’s lineups/rotations.
Surely there’s a better coach out there that can do a better job with the national team.
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Yup, still don’t understand Speraw’s lineups/rotations.
Surely there’s a better coach out there that can do a better job with the national team.
VNL in Olympic years are just a warmup for the Olympics. Especially for the US this year with Russell almost certain to miss the Olympics, so their biggest goal this year is to figure out their L2 spot.
Also, with their sweep of Canada last night the US should be getting out of group play even being swept by Brazil.
Sander, Anderson, and Holt are all guaranteed to be starting if the Olympics happen and were not tonight. Speraw is just testing out lineups here.
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Erik Shoji has a pretty interesting YouTube channel.
Was watching this video today:
https://youtu.be/N1_crZX_Qkg
Love the camera angle. Makes you really appreciate the speed and the movement of all the players on the floor.
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I mean, I get it’s an Olympic hear and you want to finalize that final 12c but it is really starting to feel like Speraw doesn’t actually want to make the finals in the VNL.
Sander in a libero Jersey? It really just doesn’t make sense at this point.
If Russell isn’t healthy I’d run with DeFalco as the 2nd outside (even though he’s a complete head case) and Anderson playing OPP. Patch just too much of a liability at this point.
Whatever, women’s team is way more enjoyable to watch anyways. Annie Drews is a monster.
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MU's 2021 Schedule
https://gomarquette.com/news/2021/6/3/womens-volleyball-volleyball-announces-2021-fall-schedule.aspx
Sept. 11, home opener vs. defending national champion, Kentucky
Sept. 12, vs. Wisconsin
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MU's 2021 Schedule
https://gomarquette.com/news/2021/6/3/womens-volleyball-volleyball-announces-2021-fall-schedule.aspx
Sept. 11, home opener vs. defending national champion, Kentucky
Sept. 12, vs. Wisconsin
That's quite the weekend with Kentucky and Wisconsin back to back.
And nice to go to Hawaii for a tournament to open the season.
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Anyone know how much Volleyball Season Tickets usually are? The only thing I could find on the Marquette website said to wait for information on the 2020 season...
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Anyone know how much Volleyball Season Tickets usually are? The only thing I could find on the Marquette website said to wait for information on the 2020 season...
I believe it was $40.
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Does anybody know if there's the same situation going on for the Wisconsin at Marquette match that there was when Wisconsin played at the Al like 3 years ago? Where some booster bought out the lower level and was giving the tickets away for free to Marquette fans in order to keep the Wisconsin crowd down/in the upper deck? There are only upper level tickets available on Marquette's ticket website for that match.
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It's not the same situation as couple of years ago. Trying to sell season tickets first, before putting lowers to the public.
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Started coaching on the club circuit this season. Boy is it different than high school. Trying to evaluate 150+ kids compared to 20 is for tryouts is quite the task.
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Started coaching on the club circuit this season. Boy is it different than high school. Trying to evaluate 150+ kids compared to 20 is for tryouts is quite the task.
Nice. What club?
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Huge weekend at the Al. Let's pack it.
#8 Kentucky (Reigning National Champions)
Saturday, September 11 | 6:00 p.m.
#2 Wisconsin
Sunday, September 12 | 4:30 p.m. | FS1
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Going with my daughters HS team on Sunday……..there are over 150 people who have purchased tickets!
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The women lose to Creighton…again. The ND MU AD needs to show progress on all sports.
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The women lose to Creighton…again. The ND MU AD needs to show progress on all sports.
Yea just seems to be a mental block. Theis is and excellent coach though and probably wasn’t expecting to be here this season.
He was set to take over Ohio St. this off-season, he was the front runner the entire time. Jen Flynn Oldenburg (actual Ohio st coach) wasn’t even on the radar until someone mentioned her name as a possible assistant for him, but they loved that she played for the program and went with her at the last minute.
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The women lose to Creighton…again. The ND MU AD needs to show progress on all sports.
I mean....14-3 with the only 3 losses being to the #4, #5, and #19 teams (with the #19 team being on the road) in the nation is not a bad showing. It's not good given that none of the 14 wins are against overly impressive teams. But if they continue to dominate the rest of the Big East and beat Creighton at home, it will be a very good season.
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I mean....14-3 with the only 3 losses being to the #4, #5, and #19 teams (with the #19 team being on the road) in the nation is not a bad showing. It's not good given that none of the 14 wins are against overly impressive teams. But if they continue to dominate the rest of the Big East and beat Creighton at home, it will be a very good season.
The stated goal of MU Athletics is to compete for and win titles. This is MU”s best program in recent times, but other programs have stepped sideways or backwards versus past teams. Volleyball seems to be having a hard time getting over the hurdle to the next level. Other programs aren’t this close.
MU used to have a goal on the Capital One Cup for non-football schools. We never hear about this anymore. Why?
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The stated goal of MU Athletics is to compete for and win titles. This is MU”s best program in recent times, but other programs have stepped sideways or backwards versus past teams. Volleyball seems to be having a hard time getting over the hurdle to the next level. Other programs aren’t this close.
MU used to have a goal on the Capital One Cup for non-football schools. We never hear about this anymore. Why?
I mean, I think every Athletics department goals is to compete for and win titles. Very few do.
I honestly didn't know that the Capital One Cup was still a thing. I think that might be more why we don't hear about it.
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Marquette hosts Creighton tomorrow night. Creighton has lost twice in the Big East, but beat Marquette at Creighton so they would have the tie breaker on Marquette if they win again. It sounds like Creighton is dealing with some injuries. Marquette would essentially lock up the Big East title if they win this one (they would be 2 games up on Creighton and UCONN if UCONN also wins Friday, but they also beat UCONN both matchups this year, and I don't see 2 more losses this year after tomorrow for Marquette). Creighton has absolutely owned Marquette in the series, so we'll see if they can finally chase the Bluejay demons.
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I have a feeling once they get one or two on Creighton, the flood gates will open.
Just a weird mental block. Sure Creighton is always pretty talented, but I don’t think that much more than Marquette.
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I can't, for the life of me, understand how Georgetown beat UCONN. Once the Hoyas started 0-4 - with home losses to DePaul, Butler, and Xavier (not to mention the obligatory loss to MU), I honestly thought they might go 0-18 for the Big East. I obviously don't follow as closely as I did in the past, but they are not good. It's been disappointing to see how far they've fallen so quickly.
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I can't, for the life of me, understand how Georgetown beat UCONN. Once the Hoyas started 0-4 - with home losses to DePaul, Butler, and Xavier (not to mention the obligatory loss to MU), I honestly thought they might go 0-18 for the Big East. I obviously don't follow as closely as I did in the past, but they are not good. It's been disappointing to see how far they've fallen so quickly.
Did not even realize that was one of UCONN's Big East losses. Without that in there, they could've finished second in the Big East this year. Don't think it would've been close to enough for an NCAA Tournament berth given a pretty soft schedule and some non-con losses to mid-majors, but they've had a pretty good Big East season.
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Agree. This is a bell weather game. MUVB needs to get off the schneid versus Creighton where they are 5-22.
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Was at the match. Not very impressive. Ball control is solid. They can’t terminate on anything and are really poor in transition offensively. They kept throwing up high balls to the right pin in transition, into Creighton’s big outsides, while letting Creighton’s short and not super athletic setter go unchallenged at the net. And they let that same setter get a number of kills offensively.
Wolf’s setting and Rennie in the middle were very impressive. Theis panicked after losing set 3. Rennie not nearly as effective on the right, and the middle that came in was not very good.
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Front page of the Journal Sentinel:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2021/11/26/marquette-volleyballs-savannah-rennie-has-overcome-health-scares/8644601002/
Marquette volleyball player overcame a liver transplant, cancer, and a torn ACL to dominate on the court.
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Front page of the Journal Sentinel:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2021/11/26/marquette-volleyballs-savannah-rennie-has-overcome-health-scares/8644601002/
Marquette volleyball player overcame a liver transplant, cancer, and a torn ACL to dominate on the court.
Wow - that's quite a lot that Rennie has overcome to keep playing volleyball.
It's no real surprise as Marquette and Creighton will meet in the Big East Tournament final today - that's the 4th time in 5 years that's happened. That's at 1P central from the Al on FS2.
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Dayton gets their Superbowl
https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/volleyball-women/d1/2021 (https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/volleyball-women/d1/2021)
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Not a great start for MU. I wasn't impressed with Creighton, and the fact that they pretty much dominated us three times this year made me thought Dayton might take it to MU. Maybe they'll turn it around, but even so, I kind of like Purdue as the second best team (behind Texas) this year.
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Sounds like Hope Werch's season is over with a knee injury? So that certainly doesn't help the cause.
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Dayton was up 2-0 on Purdue and lost the next three 25-15, 25-6, 15-5. That’s absurd.
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Dayton was up 2-0 on Purdue and lost the next three 25-15, 25-6, 15-5. That’s absurd.
I don’t understand how 25-6 happens in a collegiate volleyball game. That’s unreal.
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I don’t understand how 25-6 happens in a collegiate volleyball game. That’s unreal.
A Libero with hands like Faisal Abraham?
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Nations League starts soon.
Can’t wait to see Speraw run out increasingly maddening lineups with incredibly sub-par serving performances.
Can’t believe he still has a job with the national team…
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Jake Haynes is an absolute nut job, but boy is he good. Lot of good opposites with Anderson, Ensing, and Haynes
Still think Brazil wins this match comfortably, but good showing from the US “C” team.
Still hate Speraw. Don’t understand how you play your starters in an absolute drubbing of Netherlands, but bench half the starters for Brazil…
This team may actually be okay with Micah and Shoji.
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Marquette opens their season with a 5 set win at #11 Kentucky. MU has gotten some really nice road wins in the non conference the last number of years.
Maybe they can win a match against Creighton sometime in my life.
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Marquette opens their season with a 5 set win at #11 Kentucky. MU has gotten some really nice road wins in the non conference the last number of years.
Maybe they can win a match against Creighton sometime in my life.
Flipped over to it when I saw Anonymous Eagle tweeting about it. Impressive 5th after they got pretty much handled the 3rd and 4th.
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At Wisconsin tonight. I didn't see either team play last weekend, but it sounds like Madison looked really good against TCU but served really bad against Baylor.
Talks of playing future games at Fiserv Forum. Would be awesome if you actually sell the tickets. But it'd be about 16 to 1 UW to MU fans.
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Holy smokes Marquette choked this set (and thus match) away. I will never understand why a coach would wait so long to use their first timeout when you are already at 18 points. You’re up 18-11. If they get that to 18-13, burn one. You side out there and the set is in hand. Instead you wait until it’s like 18-15 and now not only are they in striking distance, but you’ve also given them all of the momentum and the crowd is into it. And I know you want to keep your outside in the match to have her swing out of the back row, but when they’re targeting her in serve receive and she can’t pass a simple float serve it’s time to get her off the court.
18-11 to 21-25. Horrible.
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Holy smokes Marquette choked this set (and thus match) away. I will never understand why a coach would wait so long to use their first timeout when you are already at 18 points. You’re up 18-11. If they get that to 18-13, burn one. You side out there and the set is in hand. Instead you wait until it’s like 18-15 and now not only are they in striking distance, but you’ve also given them all of the momentum and the crowd is into it. And I know you want to keep your outside in the match to have her swing out of the back row, but when they’re targeting her in serve receive and she can’t pass a simple float serve it’s time to get her off the court.
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Was an exciting match to watch. We had a good lead as you say. A. Earlier time out maybe would have helped but I’m not a coach. . But number 24 vs number 6 @ Wisconsin - damn Marquette played hard. The No net call was interesting.
18-11 to 21-25. Horrible.
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Creighton fell in 5 sets to Nebraska in Omaha tonight. They had the largest regular season volleyball only crowd in NCAA history at this game - 15,797. https://gocreighton.com/news/2022/9/7/volleyball-bluejays-huskers-vb.aspx
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that duke-BYU match isn't playing out very well. looks like another chapter out of the juicy smolley playbook-very sad it has come down to this. corrections and apologies are due. there are enough valid concerns there's no need to make em up. ruins the credibility of real cases. looks like another innocent person has been victimized. just hope he/she has their reputation intact as lives have been ruined for far less
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2022/08/30/fan-who-was-banned-by-byu-does/
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that duke-BYU match isn't playing out very well. looks like another chapter out of the juicy smolley playbook-very sad it has come down to this. corrections and apologies are due. there are enough valid concerns there's no need to make em up. ruins the credibility of real cases. looks like another innocent person has been victimized. just hope he/she has their reputation intact as lives have been ruined for far less
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2022/08/30/fan-who-was-banned-by-byu-does/
You didn't read the article did you?
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Clearly not.
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You didn't read the article did you?
He can barely spell, much less read
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You didn't read the article did you?
umm, yes i did...i used the https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2022/08/30/fan-who-was-banned-by-byu-does/
as a reference to the subject, my post was my post. for those of you from rio linda, my opinion. last time i checked, those are still allowed, but probably not for long i see
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umm, yes i did...i used the https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2022/08/30/fan-who-was-banned-by-byu-does/
as a reference to the subject, my post was my post. for those of you from rio linda, my opinion. last time i checked, those are still allowed, but probably not for long i see
So it was your opinion that this story is made up? It sounded like you were claiming that the article proved that it was made up
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So it was your opinion that this story is made up? It sounded like you were claiming that the article proved that it was made up
another duke lacrosse incident? hmmm....not necessarily, but another example of the media and people jumping to conclusions before they know what happened, then slow to do follow-ups and/or corrections, if at all. media/"journalism" is despicably gone
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Widely accepted that something was yelled. IMO, unlikely to ever know by whom. Coward.
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another duke lacrosse incident? hmmm....not necessarily, but another example of the media and people jumping to conclusions before they know what happened, then slow to do follow-ups and/or corrections, if at all. media/"journalism" is despicably gone
1) The article you shared does not say the Duke volleyball player made it up and nothing was ever yelled her way. Maybe read the article.
2) This wasn’t a made up media story even if the Duke player did make up having a racial slur yelled at her. BYU banned a fan for yelling racial slurs. The media didn’t do that or cause that.
Every time you post you put your foot in your mouth. Hope you have a good dentist!
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another duke lacrosse incident? hmmm....not necessarily, but another example of the media and people jumping to conclusions before they know what happened, then slow to do follow-ups and/or corrections, if at all. media/"journalism" is despicably gone
Wow, great work. This is a 9 out of 10. Really appreciate the effort here
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1) The article you shared does not say the Duke volleyball player made it up and nothing was ever yelled her way. Maybe read the article.
2) This wasn’t a made up media story even if the Duke player did make up having a racial slur yelled at her. BYU banned a fan for yelling racial slurs. The media didn’t do that or cause that.
Every time you post you put your foot in your mouth. Hope you have a good dentist!
3) Even if it turns out the player made up the story, it is still a story worth media coverage.
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1) The article you shared does not say the Duke volleyball player made it up and nothing was ever yelled her way. Maybe read the article.
2) This wasn’t a made up media story even if the Duke player did make up having a racial slur yelled at her. BYU banned a fan for yelling racial slurs. The media didn’t do that or cause that.
Every time you post you put your foot in your mouth. Hope you have a good dentist!
dude-i didn't post the article to reference my opinion!! just wait and watch what happens here is what i'm saying...oh, and have a good BLM
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3) Even if it turns out the player made up the story, it is still a story worth media coverage.
yes it is very worthy of media coverage, but too many conclusions are being drawn without all of the facts. now where has this happened before? ::) ::) ::)
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yes it is very worthy of media coverage, but too many conclusions are being drawn without all of the facts. now where has this happened before? ::) ::) ::)
When we spent years trying to prove a president was born in a different country?
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dude-i didn't post the article to reference my opinion!! just wait and watch what happens here is what i'm saying...oh, and have a good BLM
So why did you post the article? And how did you form your opinion? If you didn’t form the opinion that the player made up claims of racial slurs being yelled her way because of this article, then you just decided any claims of racism are fake or what?
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Too much ivermectin.
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Too much ivermectin.
Honestly, not enough.
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So why did you post the article? And how did you form your opinion? If you didn’t form the opinion that the player made up claims of racial slurs being yelled her way because of this article, then you just decided any claims of racism are fake or what?
how about just proving what i said was wrong or not. i could post numerous articles showing the duke player is lying and her whole schtick is another jucy smoley thing and i can post numerous articles believing her without any evidence except her word. so tell me what's going on BLM boy. is she lying or is she telling the truth? i am honestly not sure yet, so you tell me
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3) Even if it turns out the player made up the story, it is still a story worth media coverage.
Meaning what exactly? It's worth covering because she made it up in this scenario? Or are you saying it's worth covering because these things constantly happen if if she made up the story?
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how about just proving what i said was wrong or not. i could post numerous articles showing the duke player is lying and her whole schtick is another jucy smoley thing and i can post numerous articles believing her without any evidence except her word. so tell me what's going on BLM boy. is she lying or is she telling the truth? i am honestly not sure yet, so you tell me
You’re the one claiming she’s ruining an innocent man’s life with absolutely no proof. She didn’t point out who it was. Provide your support. Not some article that you claim doesn’t support your opinion, you just shared it…just because, I guess.
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Perhaps we should wait for all the facts to come out?
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You’re the one claiming she’s ruining an innocent man’s life with absolutely no proof. She didn’t point out who it was. Provide your support. Not some article that you claim doesn’t support your opinion, you just shared it…just because, I guess.
then prove me wrong and yes, we need more facts to come out. so far BYU is having trouble corroborating the duke volleyball players assertions however. note the backlash BYU is getting without all the facts-interesting
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then prove me wrong and yes, we need more facts to come out. so far BYU is having trouble corroborating the duke volleyball players assertions however. note the backlash BYU is getting without all the facts-interesting
Prove you wrong on what? That's an honest question, your posts in this thread have been very hard to understand.
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Prove you wrong on what? That's an honest question, your posts in this thread have been very hard to understand.
…ok TAmoU blizzerd of moo look msnbdnc wants u too think there’s racism this is just like when the illeagles pore over the border and vote to raise taxes just like the “big guy” wants urinalism is dead that’s why u should seek out project verity’s and “open” ur eyes ain”ye
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Prove you wrong on what? That's an honest question, your posts in this thread have been very hard to understand.
BLM/wades was trying to pin me down on the issue that the duke women's volleyball player made up her racial heckling charges against a BYU fan. i was trying to broach the subject without tipping my hand until further evidence came out either way. now it is appearing more and more as though she did make up the charges of racial heckling. there doesn't seem to be any evidence otherwise and duke needs to issue a statement. either stand by their player or not. if not, one would believe some kind of reprimand would be in order. these kinds of incidences need to stop and unless there is some kind of reprimand, they will continue to hurt innocent people which tend to be very unfortunately irrevocable in today's society
https://www.carolinajournal.com/opinion/duke-must-answer-for-false-race-allegation/
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BLM/wades was trying to pin me down on the issue that the duke women's volleyball player made up her racial heckling charges against a BYU fan. i was trying to broach the subject without tipping my hand until further evidence came out either way. now it is appearing more and more as though she did make up the charges of racial heckling. there doesn't seem to be any evidence otherwise and duke needs to issue a statement. either stand by their player or not. if not, one would believe some kind of reprimand would be in order. these kinds of incidences need to stop and unless there is some kind of reprimand, they will continue to hurt innocent people which tend to be very unfortunately irrevocable in today's society
https://www.carolinajournal.com/opinion/duke-must-answer-for-false-race-allegation/
Yes. White people have it so hard in this country.
You shared an article that said the guy they banned is not the guy that yelled racial slurs. And then you claimed you weren’t using the article to support your opinion. Lol.
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BLM/wades was trying to pin me down on the issue that the duke women's volleyball player made up her racial heckling charges against a BYU fan. i was trying to broach the subject without tipping my hand until further evidence came out either way. now it is appearing more and more as though she did make up the charges of racial heckling. there doesn't seem to be any evidence otherwise and duke needs to issue a statement. either stand by their player or not. if not, one would believe some kind of reprimand would be in order. these kinds of incidences need to stop and unless there is some kind of reprimand, they will continue to hurt innocent people which tend to be very unfortunately irrevocable in today's society
https://www.carolinajournal.com/opinion/duke-must-answer-for-false-race-allegation/
You didn't answer the question, prove you wrong on what?
And what evidence have you found that she made it up?
BTW, in case you didn't know, articles with the word "opinion" in the URL are opinion articles, not news
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"And what evidence have you found that she made it up?"
interesting that the media ran with this story without thoroughly checking it out...umm, doing "journalism" things
BYU and it's investigation(S) have found no corroborating evidence, video, audio or witnesses. one would think something like this would have stuck out a little. someone screaming the "N" throughout the match? maybe even a guilty mind sitting next to the alleged racist?
MSNBC, CNN and ALL the rest have essentially stopped reporting on it
so now, the evidence needed that she made it up or not really should fall back onto the accuser(s)
tamu, i really wish none of this happened. but true or false claims of anything volatile or inappropriate need to be addressed so they diminish the chances of them continuing to occur.
if rachel richardson's accusations continue to be proven to be untrue, it dilutes the illicit actions that do actually occur
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In MU Volleyball news, a 3-1 victory was had over SEC LSU today.
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RoQQQet man has been watching Fox News lately. Dude just waits around hoping to find stories where he can cry about the rich white males and all their hardships in this country. He and Chicos would be best friends.
What did she have to gain by claiming racism when nothing happened? Why at BYU?
Also, you’re really doubting that the same people who are Utah Jazz fans yelled racist things at a sporting event? Yeesh that laughing gas really blew up a ton of your brain cells. Ever look into the history of racism at BYU? You know, the school that released a report last year about how minorities feel isolated and unsafe? How about at the University of Utah and with the justice department in the state of Utah?
RoQQQet, you think mics pick up every word by every fan in sports arenas? Especially at volleyball games?
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"And what evidence have you found that she made it up?"
interesting that the media ran with this story without thoroughly checking it out...umm, doing "journalism" things
BYU and it's investigation(S) have found no corroborating evidence, video, audio or witnesses. one would think something like this would have stuck out a little. someone screaming the "N" throughout the match? maybe even a guilty mind sitting next to the alleged racist?
MSNBC, CNN and ALL the rest have essentially stopped reporting on it
so now, the evidence needed that she made it up or not really should fall back onto the accuser(s)
tamu, i really wish none of this happened. but true or false claims of anything volatile or inappropriate need to be addressed so they diminish the chances of them continuing to occur.
if rachel richardson's accusations continue to be proven to be untrue, it dilutes the illicit actions that do actually occur
You still haven't answered what wades was supposed to prove you wrong on.
None of what you have described is evidence that she made up this incident. Nor is it "proving her accusations untrue". What you're describing is a lack of inculpatory evidence to her claim. Lack of evidence does not equal "made up".
The news isn't at fault for reporting this story. A player making this allegation, whether supported or not, is a newsworthy event. The news as far as I'm aware didn't report it as "this guy said x, y, and z" they reported it as "she alleges that some guy said x, y, and z". And have you considered that they stopped reporting on it because other than the perpetually aggrieved fox News watchers, the news cycle has moved on?
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"And what evidence have you found that she made it up?"
interesting that the media ran with this story without thoroughly checking it out...umm, doing "journalism" things
BYU and it's investigation(S) have found no corroborating evidence, video, audio or witnesses. one would think something like this would have stuck out a little. someone screaming the "N" throughout the match? maybe even a guilty mind sitting next to the alleged racist?
MSNBC, CNN and ALL the rest have essentially stopped reporting on it
so now, the evidence needed that she made it up or not really should fall back onto the accuser(s)
tamu, i really wish none of this happened. but true or false claims of anything volatile or inappropriate need to be addressed so they diminish the chances of them continuing to occur.
if rachel richardson's accusations continue to be proven to be untrue, it dilutes the illicit actions that do actually occur
I saw multiple reports from different sources stating that BYU found no evidence but that Duke stands by their players.
I don’t know if that includes CNN or MSNBC because I don’t watch that nonsense. It’s just sh*t that rots brains like Fox has rotted yours.
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Perhaps we should wait for all the facts to come out?
Actual hard facts can be really inconvenient for those promoting an agenda, and have no interest in whether the charges are true or not.
Jesse Smolette?
Duke Lacrosse?
Oberlin College hoax ( at least it cost Oberlin $36 million----hardly enough IMO---to demonstrate their wokeness based on a story that was entirely fabricated).
I agree. Wait for all the facts. But for some, the allegation is "the story", not the veracity of the allegation.
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Actual hard facts can be really inconvenient for those promoting an agenda, and have no interest in whether the charges are true or not.
Jesse Smolette?
Duke Lacrosse?
Oberlin College hoax ( at least it cost Oberlin $36 million----hardly enough IMO---to demonstrate their wokeness based on a story that was entirely fabricated).
I agree. Wait for all the facts. But for some, the allegation is "the story", not the veracity of the allegation.
I've seen enough posts from rocket about pizzagate and hunters laptop to know that he doesn't actually care about waiting for all the facts to come out.
And wait for the facts to come out before doing what exactly?
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I've seen enough posts from rocket about pizzagate and hunters laptop to know that he doesn't actually care about waiting for all the facts to come out.
And wait for the facts to come out before doing what exactly?
…ahhhhhh but wade tomu the media covered up pizzagate for the “big guy” maybe don’t watch…msdnc or cnn and Brad seltzer all the time and Do research did u know seth rich was on hunters lab top???????????? and now he’s dead like the queen because china unleeshed the wuhan flu to hurt president trump in the rigged election were nursing “home” people all voted democrat cuz of the italy satellites
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I've seen enough posts from rocket about pizzagate and hunters laptop to know that he doesn't actually care about waiting for all the facts to come out.
And wait for the facts to come out before doing what exactly?
Right. Are people saying they shouldn’t have reported the allegation? By and large “the media” reported it as such. It was certainly newsworthy.
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…ahhhhhh but wade tomu the media covered up pizzagate for the “big guy” maybe don’t watch…msdnc or cnn and Brad seltzer all the time and Do research did u know seth rich was on hunters lab top???????????? and now he’s dead like the queen because china unleeshed the wuhan flu to hurt president trump in the rigged election were nursing “home” people all voted democrat cuz of the italy satellites
8 out of 10. Only one ellipsis.
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I've seen enough posts from rocket about pizzagate and hunters laptop to know that he doesn't actually care about waiting for all the facts to come out.
And wait for the facts to come out before doing what exactly?
Before destroying people's reputation, or a school's reputation, or a business' reputation. Are you saying it's no big whoop what Duke University in 2006 did to these LaCrosse players ? Before knowing a single fact about what actually happened? Did even one faculty member at Duke or their president at the time sincerely apologize to these kids? Did Jesse Jackson? Wait for the facts to come out. Oberlin also made complete asses out of themselves and the result was paying a bakery 36 mill. Is it too much to ask to wait for information before forming a narrative?
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Before destroying people's reputation, or a school's reputation, or a business' reputation. Are you saying it's no big whoop what Duke University in 2006 did to these LaCrosse players ? Before knowing a single fact about what actually happened? Did even one faculty member at Duke or their president at the time sincerely apologize to these kids? Did Jesse Jackson? Wait for the facts to come out. Oberlin also made complete asses out of themselves and the result was paying a bakery 36 mill. Is it too much to ask to wait for information before forming a narrative?
While what you seek is morally, ethically and legally right and just, it almost never happens in the world we live in. Both sides of the political spectrum have an agenda to advance and money to make, facts are unimportant. Heck, look at the genius of the South Carolina coach who turned this into a publicity stunt faster than a New York minute.
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Before destroying people's reputation, or a school's reputation, or a business' reputation. Are you saying it's no big whoop what Duke University in 2006 did to these LaCrosse players ? Before knowing a single fact about what actually happened? Did even one faculty member at Duke or their president at the time sincerely apologize to these kids? Did Jesse Jackson? Wait for the facts to come out. Oberlin also made complete asses out of themselves and the result was paying a bakery 36 mill. Is it too much to ask to wait for information before forming a narrative?
So you agree that is acceptable for the media to report that an allegation was made, correct?
Whose reputation was ruined by the duke volleyball allegation? I could have missed it but I haven't seen the accused named anywhere.
Also, keep in mind that the Duke LAX players were not found innocent. That is a misconception. The prosecutor in that case was doing unethical and illegal things to try and make his case, but that doesn't mean that the defendants were innocent. It also doesn't mean that they were guilty. The reality is, in cases like this, it's very rare that all the facts ever come out.
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1. The allegation itself is newsworthy.
2. Reporting it as fact would be irresponsible.
3. Follow up to show that the allegation may not have occurred doesn’t mean “the media” engaged in #2.
Why is this so hard?
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I've seen enough posts from rocket about pizzagate and hunters laptop to know that he doesn't actually care about waiting for all the facts to come out.
And wait for the facts to come out before doing what exactly?
"pizzagate"?? refresh my "old man" memory please
hunters laptop-facts? bwhahahahaha,holy schnikees, but sorry can't step into that one...rocky would love to get rid of a meat lovin,rabble rousing, scoop contrarian teddy bear...again
but back to volleyball...not naming the innocent person who was banned, then un-banned was the only smart thing to come out of all of this. i'm sure his/her name is out there however.
you can't tell me that if someone was racially heckling a player throughout the match, or even a portion of it, that SOMEONE wouldn't come forward to ID the perp? not to mention, someone wouldn't tell this person to stfu or get a person of authority? if i were sitting next to someone screaming out racial crap, i know i would have a word or three...it would (and should) be embarrassing to the host school to not to do something
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You know what media outlet reported the allegation as fact?
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/duke-volleyball-player-officials-failed-adequately-address-racial-slurs-byu-fan
“Rachel Richardson, the Duke women’s volleyball player who was subjected to racial slurs directed at her and teammates during a Friday match against BYU, said officials were not quick to address the situation when they were made aware of the behavior from a fan.”
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you can't tell me that if someone was racially heckling a player throughout the match, or even a portion of it, that SOMEONE wouldn't come forward to ID the perp? not to mention, someone wouldn't tell this person to stfu or get a person of authority? if i were sitting next to someone screaming out racial crap, i know i would have a word or three...it would (and should) be embarrassing to the host school to not to do something
I can tell you that actually. Most people don't like to be involved. There are some who would even cover for someone yelling things like that, even if they didn't know the person and didn't like what they were seeing. Most people hate conflict and don't want to feel responsible for getting someone else in trouble. I deal this with in my job every day.
And you'll notice, I've never said that it did happen. Just pushing back on your assertion that it has somehow been proven that it didn't happen.
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"pizzagate"?? refresh my "old man" memory please
hunters laptop-facts? bwhahahahaha,holy schnikees, but sorry can't step into that one...rocky would love to get rid of a meat lovin,rabble rousing, scoop contrarian teddy bear...again
but back to volleyball...not naming the innocent person who was banned, then un-banned was the only smart thing to come out of all of this. i'm sure his/her name is out there however.
you can't tell me that if someone was racially heckling a player throughout the match, or even a portion of it, that SOMEONE wouldn't come forward to ID the perp? not to mention, someone wouldn't tell this person to stfu or get a person of authority? if i were sitting next to someone screaming out racial crap, i know i would have a word or three...it would (and should) be embarrassing to the host school to not to do something
One less mope squd member
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1. The allegation itself is newsworthy.
2. Reporting it as fact would be irresponsible.
3. Follow up to show that the allegation may not have occurred doesn’t mean “the media” engaged in #2.
Why is this so hard?
The majority of the media is "full of #2" and has been for decades.
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The majority of the media is "full of #2" and has been for decades.
I mean, if you are going to use this topic as a continuation of your grievance, and not actually discuss the facts in question, that is up to you.
But people won't really take you seriously.
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I mean, if you are going to use this topic as a continuation of your grievance, and not actually discuss the facts in question, that is up to you.
But people won't really take you seriously.
Just what facts are "in question"??
That's the problem. BYU undertook an extensive investigation, and found NO FACTS to support the ALLEGATION. Whether or not the incident occurred is not a "fact" in dispute. The development of underlying "facts" ( or not) will then either prove or disprove the allegation..
What's so tough about that?
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Just what facts are "in question"??
That's the problem. BYU undertook an extensive investigation, and found NO FACTS to support the ALLEGATION. Whether or not the incident occurred is not a "fact" in dispute. The development of underlying "facts" ( or not) will then either prove or disprove the allegation..
What's so tough about that?
Because you seem to be upset that "the media" reported the allegation in the first place.
But you are also wrong. BYU's investigation does not disprove that the incident took place. It only shows that they have no evidence that it actually did. I am amazed that this has to be explained repeatedly to people here.
Did it actually happen? I have no idea. I have no reason to distrust the player, but I also have no reason to distrust BYU's investigation. It would be nice if people could use this as a learning experience, but they won't. Just people spouting grievance after grievance.
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The media should have reported the allegation. Show me where I said otherwise!
And good for BYU conducting the investigation. They have indirectly been accused of something here and I'm certain they want to get to the bottom of this more than anyone.
But you do understand I hope that it is the proponent of an allegation or statement that has the burden of proving that the allegation has a basis in fact. BYU wants to flush out the facts here but the onus is not on them to prove or disprove anything.
This thing will either proceed on its merits and the culprit will be identified and punished or it will die for lack of evidence..
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So you agree that is acceptable for the media to report that an allegation was made, correct?
Whose reputation was ruined by the duke volleyball allegation? I could have missed it but I haven't seen the accused named anywhere.
Also, keep in mind that the Duke LAX players were not found innocent. That is a misconception. The prosecutor in that case was doing unethical and illegal things to try and make his case, but that doesn't mean that the defendants were innocent. It also doesn't mean that they were guilty. The reality is, in cases like this, it's very rare that all the facts ever come out.
Of course it's fine for an allegation to be made. That's different than railroading people without a single shred of evidence and having the entire media, Duke University, and community screaming they should all be in prison and committed a heinous crime. The coach was also terminated with zero wrongdoing.
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As far as the BYU incident, isn't their video and audio every time the Duke player served the ball?
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The media should have reported the allegation. Show me where I said otherwise!
And good for BYU conducting the investigation. They have indirectly been accused of something here and I'm certain they want to get to the bottom of this more than anyone.
But you do understand I hope that it is the proponent of an allegation or statement that has the burden of proving that the allegation has a basis in fact. BYU wants to flush out the facts here but the onus is not on them to prove or disprove anything.
This thing will either proceed on its merits and the culprit will be identified and punished or it will die for lack of evidence..
It's pretty hard for a player to prove someone in the crowd said something. But I think we are basically in agreement.
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Of course it's fine for an allegation to be made. That's different than railroading people without a single shred of evidence and having the entire media, Duke University, and community screaming they should all be in prison and committed a heinous crime. The coach was also terminated with zero wrongdoing.
Your hyperbole isn't really accurate here.
But who lost their job over this?
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Your hyperbole isn't really accurate here.
But who lost their job over this?
I think he's conflating this case and the Duke Lax case. The LAX coach was forced to resign.
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I think he's conflating this case and the Duke Lax case. The LAX coach was forced to resign.
Oh OK.
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But you do understand I hope that it is the proponent of an allegation or statement that has the burden of proving that the allegation has a basis in fact. BYU wants to flush out the facts here but the onus is not on them to prove or disprove anything.
Actually you are incorrect here. Universities are bound by Title VII which prevents harassment and discrimination based on a protected class. Once they are made aware of an allegation of racial harassment at one of their sponsored events, they are obligated to at very least offer a grievance process to the complainant and if the complaint accepts the offer, they are obligated to at very least look into it (what that entails would depend on the nature of the accusation).
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The majority of the media is "full of #2" and has been for decades.
Ever since the fairness doctrine went away and Fox and Rush hit the airwaves.
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Of course it's fine for an allegation to be made. That's different than railroading people without a single shred of evidence and having the entire media, Duke University, and community screaming they should all be in prison and committed a heinous crime. The coach was also terminated with zero wrongdoing.
A couple of things here. There were shreds of evidence, but not nearly enough to convict for rape and for at least one of the defendants there was exculpatory evidence for rape.
The "entire media" was not screaming that they should be in prison and committed a heinous crime. The majority of media just reported on the allegations. There were plenty of opinion articles and everyday people who made judgements but that's something different.
There were bad actors in Durham law enforcement, the DA's office, and Duke that did railroad the defendants. They were wrong and what they did was illegal. The defendants have been well compensated for what was done to them. Again, this doesn't mean that all of them were innocent.
There was plenty of wrongdoing by the coach, just not necessarily related to this incident or enough to justify forced resignation. IIRC, he was also well compensated in the end.
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Actually you are incorrect here. Universities are bound by Title VII which prevents harassment and discrimination based on a protected class. Once they are made aware of an allegation of racial harassment at one of their sponsored events, they are obligated to at very least offer a grievance process to the complainant and if the complaint accepts the offer, they are obligated to at very least look into it (what that entails would depend on the nature of the accusation).
No, I'm not "incorrect here" because what I said a couple of posts back is consistent with what you said in the quoted portion.
The complainant can be afforded the most elaborate grievance process ever put together, and, she can provided the most thorough investigation ever conducted. But if the facts aren't there to support a finding of wrongdoing, then there will be no finding of wrongdoing.
To this point, I'm not aware of any facts demonstrating wrongdoing.
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Ever since the fairness doctrine went away and Fox and Rush hit the airwaves.
Yay! Politics!
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Guys, this is an Arbys.
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No, I'm not "incorrect here" because what I said a couple of posts back is consistent with what you said in the quoted portion.
Yes you are incorrect. You said "the onus is not on them (BYU) to prove or disprove anything.". BYU in this case is the investigatory body, not the respondent, they are obligated (provided the complainant makes a complaint) to try to prove or disprove the allegation.
The complainant can be afforded the most elaborate grievance process ever put together, and, she can provided the most thorough investigation ever conducted. But if the facts aren't there to support a finding of wrongdoing, then there will be no finding of wrongdoing.
This is correct. I think you were just putting BYU as the respondent when they are actually the investigatory body.
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Yay! Politics!
I responded in kind.
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I responded in kind.
Well the person you quoted didn't mention politics. He said a majority of the media, which covers both sides.
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Context and source. And I stand by it.
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Context and source. And I stand by it.
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You know the drill - take the politics elsewhere.
Anything political posted here will be swiftly removed, and if you violate the rule too frequently, you'll find yourself without a place to post.
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You can report the post instead of clogging up the topic with your complaints.
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You can report the post instead of clogging up the topic with your complaints.
Thanks, Dad. Reporting apparently does little, since Rico still posts in abundance. Tower is normally better than that.
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A couple of things here. There were shreds of evidence, but not nearly enough to convict for rape and for at least one of the defendants there was exculpatory evidence for rape.
The "entire media" was not screaming that they should be in prison and committed a heinous crime. The majority of media just reported on the allegations. There were plenty of opinion articles and everyday people who made judgements but that's something different.
There were bad actors in Durham law enforcement, the DA's office, and Duke that did railroad the defendants. They were wrong and what they did was illegal. The defendants have been well compensated for what was done to them. Again, this doesn't mean that all of them were innocent.
There was plenty of wrongdoing by the coach, just not necessarily related to this incident or enough to justify forced resignation. IIRC, he was also well compensated in the end.
The fact that they were well compensated by Duke, because Duke was sued and lost, isn't really the point. It's how Duke's President and faculty in particular responded to the allegation without knowing one fking thing about the case. This exacerbated racial division in the community, on campus, on other local campuses, statewide, nationally, and led to the media propagating the "story" non-stop. In lieu of the coach being essentially fired you can make the argument that a ton of faculty there, and Broadhead, should have lost their jobs. Their actions were totally dishonest and ignominious to say the least. Now, obviously the local authorities and DA were assclowns engaging in criminal behavior but there weren't just "a few bad actors". Duke University bears significant responsibility.
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Thanks, Dad. Reporting apparently does little, since Rico still posts in abundance. Tower is normally better than that.
You will regain my my respect when you complain about a political statement that agrees with you.
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You will regain my my respect when you complain about a political statement that agrees with you.
Uh, I am.
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Blessings be upon you.
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The fact that they were well compensated by Duke, because Duke was sued and lost, isn't really the point. It's how Duke's President and faculty in particular responded to the allegation without knowing one fking thing about the case. This exacerbated racial division in the community, on campus, on other local campuses, statewide, nationally, and led to the media propagating the "story" non-stop. In lieu of the coach being essentially fired you can make the argument that a ton of faculty there, and Broadhead, should have lost their jobs. Their actions were totally dishonest and ignominious to say the least. Now, obviously the local authorities and DA were assclowns engaging in criminal behavior but there weren't just "a few bad actors". Duke University bears significant responsibility.
Broadhead, maybe. The vast majority of the faculty, no. Free speech is free speech. I know there were some allegations that at least one faculty member retaliated against one of the accused by giving them an unjust failing grade which is certainly a terminatable offense. I honestly don't remember the details of that particular allegation so I can't comment on the veracity of that allegation.
IIRC, Duke didn't lose, they settled. The rules surrounding these proceedings back then were very vague and led to a lot of abuse in both directions. This case is part of what led to Obama issuing new guidance in 2011 which gave those accused of sexual misconduct more due process than students accused of any other misconduct at a university. Despite all that, I think you are right that Duke did bear significant responsibility. I just think you overestimate how many people were involved in those decisions.
I'm also going to take this opportunity to point out that the circumstances of Duke LAX are wildly different than and not really applicable to this volleyball allegation which is the actual topic being discussed.
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Broadhead, maybe. The vast majority of the faculty, no. Free speech is free speech. I know there were some allegations that at least one faculty member retaliated against one of the accused by giving them an unjust failing grade which is certainly a terminatable offense. I honestly don't remember the details of that particular allegation so I can't comment on the veracity of that allegation.
IIRC, Duke didn't lose, they settled. The rules surrounding these proceedings back then were very vague and led to a lot of abuse in both directions. This case is part of what led to Obama issuing new guidance in 2011 which gave those accused of sexual misconduct more due process than students accused of any other misconduct at a university. Despite all that, I think you are right that Duke did bear significant responsibility. I just think you overestimate how many people were involved in those decisions.
I'm also going to take this opportunity to point out that the circumstances of Duke LAX are wildly different than and not really applicable to this volleyball allegation which is the actual topic being discussed.
Yes, they settled. My bad. But they settled for a reason and I believe there were also lawsuits they settled with other LaCrosse students that were defamed.
As far as the volleyball player I don't mean to make parallels. I would imagine they have plenty of video abd audio from the game while this player was serving. If it comes out that they did indeed slur her, or scream the N word they (individuals and BYU) absolutely should be investigated and severely punished. But on the flipside if they find out nothing happened and the story was fabricated the Duke player should be expelled imo.
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As far as the volleyball player I don't mean to make parallels. I would imagine they have plenty of video abd audio from the game while this player was serving. If it comes out that they did indeed slur her, or scream the N word they (individuals and BYU) absolutely should be investigated and severely punished. But on the flipside if they find out nothing happened and the story was fabricated the Duke player should be expelled imo.
No BYU should not be severely punished. They aren't responsible for some idiot using a racial slur at a volleyball game. And if there was an idiot using a racial slur, they shouldn't be punished by anyone besides BYU. Assuming they are a non-student/employee the most BYU can do is ban them from future events.
I don't think expulsion would be a appropriate for a false allegation of racial harassment, especially when the accused wasn't publicly identified. Maybe a short suspension. Also, you would actually need to prove the story was fabricated. Reviewing footage from the game wouldn't be sufficient for that. Have you ever been to a college volleyball game? This isn't golf, fans are screaming trying to give a homecourt advantage. It would be very easy for the audio to miss something. You would also have to rule out the possibility that the player made an honest mistake and thought she heard something that she actually didn't. Fabricating a false allegation requires intent. Honestly, to prove it you would need to get a confession that she fabricated the story.
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Broadhead, maybe. The vast majority of the faculty, no. Free speech is free speech. I know there were some allegations that at least one faculty member retaliated against one of the accused by giving them an unjust failing grade which is certainly a terminatable offense. I honestly don't remember the details of that particular allegation so I can't comment on the veracity of that allegation.
IIRC, Duke didn't lose, they settled. The rules surrounding these proceedings back then were very vague and led to a lot of abuse in both directions. This case is part of what led to Obama issuing new guidance in 2011 which gave those accused of sexual misconduct more due process than students accused of any other misconduct at a university. Despite all that, I think you are right that Duke did bear significant responsibility. I just think you overestimate how many people were involved in those decisions.
I'm also going to take this opportunity to point out that the circumstances of Duke LAX are wildly different than and not really applicable to this volleyball allegation which is the actual topic being discussed.
Really. Reading this document from 2011 affords the accuser just about every protection there is and shows no presumption of "innocence" or protection towards the accused. In seems accused and perpetrator are almost used interchangeably.
https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.pdf
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In on topic news, MU moves up to
#19. Maybe posters should try channeling their passion?
https://www.avca.org/polls/di-women/2022/09-12-2022.html
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Really. Reading this document from 2011 affords the accuser just about every protection there is and shows no presumption of "innocence" or protection towards the accused. In seems accused and perpetrator are almost used interchangeably.
https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.pdf
1. You either didn't read this or didn't understand what you read. It affords the accuser and the alleged equal rights. If you do it for one, you must do it for the other.
2. This was not the only document created by the Obama administration on this topic. Under these regulations there was a presumption of evidence for the accused.
3. It doesn't use "alleged" and "perpetrator" interchangeably. It only uses the phrase "alleged perpetrator". The only time the word "perpetrator" appears without "alleged" in front of it is in a section explaining a school's responsibilities in cases where there is a finding of responsibility which means that the theoretical perpetrator is no longer alleged in that case.
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Fun read.
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So you agree that is acceptable for the media to report that an allegation was made, correct?
Whose reputation was ruined by the duke volleyball allegation? I could have missed it but I haven't seen the accused named anywhere.
Also, keep in mind that the Duke LAX players were not found innocent. That is a misconception. The prosecutor in that case was doing unethical and illegal things to try and make his case, but that doesn't mean that the defendants were innocent. It also doesn't mean that they were guilty. The reality is, in cases like this, it's very rare that all the facts ever come out.
It would seem BYU's reputation. The coach at USC cancels a women's basketball game and all it takes is the allegation to do that.
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/34510145/south-carolina-dawn-staley-cancel-byu-women-basketball-games-racial-incident-volleyball-game
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It would seem BYU's reputation. The coach at USC cancels a women's basketball game and all it takes is the allegation to do that.
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/34510145/south-carolina-dawn-staley-cancel-byu-women-basketball-games-racial-incident-volleyball-game
There are some of the same people that root for the Jazz that would attend a BYU women’s basketball game. Can’t blame coaches for not wanting to bring their teams into that environment.
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I believe the player heard something.
I believe BYU failed to find any corroborating evidence.
Both can be true.
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I believe the player heard something.
I believe BYU failed to find any corroborating evidence.
Both can be true.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You’re missing a vast journalistic conspiracy to take down, checks notes, a single BYU volleyball fan
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It would seem BYU's reputation. The coach at USC cancels a women's basketball game and all it takes is the allegation to do that.
https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/34510145/south-carolina-dawn-staley-cancel-byu-women-basketball-games-racial-incident-volleyball-game
A single basketball game got cancelled!? Where's my fainting couch?!
I'm sure there are some unreasonable people who believe that the alleged behavior of one fan at a volleyball game somehow reflects on BYU the institution. My guess is that this doesn't impact BYU as an institution in any meaningful way.
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A single basketball game got cancelled!? Where's my fainting couch?!
I'm sure there are some unreasonable people who believe that the alleged behavior of one fan at a volleyball game somehow reflects on BYU the institution. My guess is that this doesn't impact BYU as an institution in any meaningful way.
Agreed. But at the same time, it seemed like a cheap way to score morality points that people seemed to wildly celebrate, granted online doesn't mean much, but still silly.
I have no love for BYU and think its an awfully odd place but I don't think playing there is suddenly forcing your team into some exceptionally racist nest of vipers like Jesse Owens in 1936.
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A single basketball game got cancelled!? Where's my fainting couch?!
I'm sure there are some unreasonable people who believe that the alleged behavior of one fan at a volleyball game somehow reflects on BYU the institution. My guess is that this doesn't impact BYU as an institution in any meaningful way.
So the USC basketball coach was unreasonable?
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40 pages. Who knew that Scoopers had this much interest in MU volleyball?
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So the USC basketball coach was unreasonable?
I think she is being unreasonable.
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There are some of the same people that root for the Jazz that would attend a BYU women’s basketball game. Can’t blame coaches for not wanting to bring their teams into that environment.
Same can be, and has been said of Boston. Hopefully Shaka nixes any games against BC.
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Illinois at Marquette Saturday at 6:00 PM is a good opportunity for Marquette. Not sure Illinois won't get beat up in the Big Ten, so hopefully Marquette can get the win there and then their only opportunities left for big wins are against Creighton, who they never beat.
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Same can be, and has been said of Boston. Hopefully Shaka nixes any games against BC.
Maybe that's why MU hasn't played at BC...in my lifetime, that I can remember.
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Agreed. But at the same time, it seemed like a cheap way to score morality points that people seemed to wildly celebrate, granted online doesn't mean much, but still silly.
I have no love for BYU and think its an awfully odd place but I don't think playing there is suddenly forcing your team into some exceptionally racist nest of vipers like Jesse Owens in 1936.
Honestly I've seen a lot more negative reactions to the move than positive ones so I think at best there was a was in the "morality points".
I think Coach Staley didn't want to play @BYU for unrelated reasons and found a way to get out of the game, while also gaining the another story to tell the parents of future recruits about how she will protect their daughter.
So the USC basketball coach was unreasonable?
Honestly no, I think she was being strategic/cunning. I don't think her opinion of BYU the institution was affected by this at all.
If you're asking if I think cancelling the game was warranted, the answer is no.
Same can be, and has been said of Boston. Hopefully Shaka nixes any games against BC.
Honestly, it can be said of virtually every fanbase. Every fanbase has at least a small population of fans with those inclinations.
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40 pages. Who knew that Scoopers had this much interest in MU volleyball?
Yeah, as a volleyball fan (and creator of the thread), I was thinking about preemptively starting the new VB thread for when this one gets locked.
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Yeah, as a volleyball fan (and creator of the thread), I was thinking about preemptively starting the new VB thread for when this one gets locked.
Not a bad idea.
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Yeah, as a volleyball fan (and creator of the thread), I was thinking about preemptively starting the new VB thread for when this one gets locked.
Please. Any new threads just label "MU Volleyball Only" or "MU LAX Only"
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Please. Any new threads just label "MU Volleyball Only" or "MU LAX Only"
Two thoughts on this:- This thread was never intended to be solely MU Volleyball and I wouldn't want a new thread to be limited to that.
- It wouldn't matter even if we did try to limit the thread to MU Volleyball. If people limited their posts to the subject of the thread we wouldn't be discussing this right now.
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Kentucky vs. Louisville is on ESPN tonight. I wish they would've picked one of the other marquee matchups from the non-con schedule because I don't think Kentucky is that good (unfortunately for Marquette).
One of the reasons I love women's volleyball is that the top teams schedule the most insane non conference schedules. I'm just going through the current top 10 teams and looking at their early season schedules and these are most of the top 25 teams that those teams are playing:
#1 Texas: Ohio State (x2), Minnesota, Stanford
#2 Nebraska: Pepperdine, Creighton, Stanford, Kentucky
#3 Louisville: Western Kentucky, San Diego, Ohio State, Purdue, Kentucky, Stanford
#4 Wisconsin: Baylor, Marquette, Kentucky, Florida
#5 Ohio State: Texas (x2), Louisville, Georgia Tech, Pitt
#6 Minnesota: Baylor, Texas, Florida, Oregon, Stanford, Pepperdine
#7 Georgia Tech: Illinois, BYU, Ohio State, Arkansas
#8 San Diego: Pitt, Louisville, Ohio State (also play Utah and UCLA who are receiving votes)
#9 Stanford: Florida, Texas, Penn State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Louisville (this is insane...playing teams ranked 1, 2, 3, 13, and 20, 3 of them on the road and one neutral)
#10 Purdue: Just Louisville. Really weak, comparatively.
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Kentucky vs. Louisville is on ESPN tonight. I wish they would've picked one of the other marquee matchups from the non-con schedule because I don't think Kentucky is that good (unfortunately for Marquette).
Well, turns out it was a great match.
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Damn, Ole Miss sure does have a nice volleyball facility.
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Damn, Ole Miss sure does have a nice volleyball facility.
It’s my Favrite one.
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Damn, Ole Miss sure does have a nice volleyball facility.
It’s my Favrite one.
Thinking you are talking about Southern Miss.
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Thinking you are talking about Southern Miss.
Oh that's right, Favre didn't meet the academic standards for Ole Miss.
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Oh that's right, Favre didn't meet the academic standards for Ole Miss.
i'm sure you have proof of this?
i believe it was the football standards of ole miss he didn't meet
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i'm sure you have proof of this?
i believe it was the football standards of ole miss he didn't meet
Holy unnatural carnal knowledge
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Holy unnatural carnal knowledge
Hey man, thank god somebody stood up for oppressed beaten down Brett Favre. Man has never been able to catch a break
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i'm sure you have proof of this?
i believe it was the football standards of ole miss he didn't meet
This is gold
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Big win for Marquette in five tonight. I think it’s important because I don’t think IL is a top end B1G team, so they could lose a lot of matches even though they have a lot of talent. That’s a nice win. Now no letdown against a usually solid mid major in Illinois State.
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I know that we discussed Shane Davis in here a few years ago. I was interested to see that Northwestern went 11-1 against a reasonably respectable non-conference schedule. I wonder if Davis has them ready to take a step forward in competitiveness in the Big Ten -- say playing .500 volleyball.
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I know that we discussed Shane Davis in here a few years ago. I was interested to see that Northwestern went 11-1 against a reasonably respectable non-conference schedule. I wonder if Davis has them ready to take a step forward in competitiveness in the Big Ten -- say playing .500 volleyball.
I saw they were receiving votes and took a look at their schedule too. Good for him. Was not looking good for him. B1G is tough, though maybe a little less so than at its peak.
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Question for the plugged in VB set, what do you think Davis' salary is at NW? I believe mid range B10 WVB coach salaries are low 200s. You'd think he got a sizeable raise to lure him away from Loyola. Is there so little money in mens VB, at least outside of MPSF, that a powerhouse national title winning coach was only making like $100-125K?
I think that top 10 class he got was huge. Along with his extension, kind of a big positive harbinger for the program
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Question for the plugged in VB set, what do you think Davis' salary is at NW? I believe mid range B10 WVB coach salaries are low 200s. You'd think he got a sizeable raise to lure him away from Loyola. Is there so little money in mens VB, at least outside of MPSF, that a powerhouse national title winning coach was only making like $100-125K?
I think that top 10 class he got was huge. Along with his extension, kind of a big positive harbinger for the program
He AT LEAST doubled his salary by going to Northwestern, where he’s probably on the lower end of B1G coaches. He’s probably making right around $200K. He was probably a little under $100K at Loyola.
Loyola was going to fold their program when Shane took over. I believe he had just graduated from the program? And they gave him like $15K to be their coach.
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He AT LEAST doubled his salary by going to Northwestern, where he’s probably on the lower end of B1G coaches. He’s probably making right around $200K. He was probably a little under $100K at Loyola.
Loyola was going to fold their program when Shane took over. I believe he had just graduated from the program? And they gave him like $15K to be their coach.
That makes sense. Yea, he took over the year after he graduated.
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"We talk about winning a Big East championship probably means a world (where) 17-1, 16-2 is probably what it takes with Creighton over there playing their way," Theis said. "So every match we always say ‘St. John’s is the most important match of the year. Why is that?’
"And our team will unanimously say, ‘Because it’s the next one.’ "
Facts. This is why MU volleyball is where they are. They get it.
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This is fun to watch so far with Marquette taking the first two sets at Creighton. Let's go Marquette - close this one out in the 3rd set.
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This is fun to watch so far with Marquette taking the first two sets at Creighton. Let's go Marquette - close this one out in the 3rd set.
Did you pay for Flow or how are you watching it?
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Did you pay for Flow or how are you watching it?
I have a yearly subscription for FloSports mostly for Women's Basketball - still have to decide if I'm going to renew again but will probably end up doing it again as I don't want to miss the women's bball road games.
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Ok - I shouldn't have posted before - it's not been so great since I posted :(.
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Ok - I shouldn't have posted before - it's not been so great since I posted :(.
This is what they do against Creighton.
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This is what they do against Creighton.
I know - I just got kind of hopeful after those first two sets that they could find a way to get it done tonight. I guess I should have known better...
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Completely incapable of beating Creighton.
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Completely incapable of beating Creighton.
Yes - I just don't get it...
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17-17 in the third. Outscored 48-26. Oof.
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Completely incapable of beating Creighton.
Theis is like 2-20 against Creighton. Yikes that’s crazy considering these teams are pretty close. This one hurt as MU really wants to host a NCAA site in the hope of hosting a Final Four at FF eventually.
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so, the badgers women's volleyball team, whose attempts to boost their personal NIL is going badly. they ever hear of onlyfans?
so one of the beefs is that the pics were not supposed to be shared publicly?
really really?? do these college age adults have any idea of how this stuff works? ya know how the pics wouldn't have been shared? keep your damn clothes on
this one ranks right up there with bo ryan's masseuse
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*insert popcorn gif*
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Oh, my giddy aunt.
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so, the badgers women's volleyball team, whose attempts to boost their personal NIL is going badly. they ever hear of onlyfans?
so one of the beefs is that the pics were not supposed to be shared publicly?
really really?? do these college age adults have any idea of how this stuff works? ya know how the pics wouldn't have been shared? keep your damn clothes on
this one ranks right up there with bo ryan's masseuse
Good lord.
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*insert popcorn gif*
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/HQRgg6ks7nkyY/200.gif)
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so, the badgers women's volleyball team, whose attempts to boost their personal NIL is going badly. they ever hear of onlyfans?
so one of the beefs is that the pics were not supposed to be shared publicly?
really really?? do these college age adults have any idea of how this stuff works? ya know how the pics wouldn't have been shared? keep your damn clothes on
this one ranks right up there with bo ryan's masseuse
Didn't you brag on here a few years ago that M, former UW volleyball player, was one of your patients? How do you think her and her family would feel knowing that their dentist made this post in a public forum?
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so, the badgers women's volleyball team, whose attempts to boost their personal NIL is going badly. they ever hear of onlyfans?
so one of the beefs is that the pics were not supposed to be shared publicly?
really really?? do these college age adults have any idea of how this stuff works? ya know how the pics wouldn't have been shared? keep your damn clothes on
this one ranks right up there with bo ryan's masseuse
Why is it not surprising at all that you’re victim blaming? Jesus.
Not to mention, “keep your damn clothes on.” They’re in a locker room. They need to stay in their uniform every second of their college career?
You’ve inhaled WAY too much laughing gas throughout your life. Terrible look.
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Didn't you brag on here a few years ago that M, former UW volleyball player, was one of your patients? How do you think her and her family would feel knowing that their dentist made this post in a public forum?
i don't know what the hell this has to do with the fact that i know a player that USED to play for the badgers women's volleyball team has to do with anything except to dox me out, but you feel better now, right? the player that i do know would not have acted out in such a manner as she was raised by a great family, a mom and a dad who are 2 of the most well respected people in our community
my point was, what the leaker of these pics did was abhorrent, no question about it. there are going to be leakers all throughout our lives, right tamu? however, these girls should have known better than to allow someone to take these pics of them putting themselves in compromising positions. they've grown up in this age of social media which can be very good and unfortunately, very bad, but they know how it works
they are going to find this person(the leaker) and he/she should be held accountable. there was no excuse for what the leaker did. all it takes is for someone with a cruel motive to do what they did. when someone has even the slightest vendetta, jealousy, a disagreement, differing opinions on certain things, like ohhh, political stances or something on a public forum, stuff like that. they will look for anything they can find to distract and demean...sound familiar?
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i don't know what the hell this has to do with the fact that i know a player that USED to play for the badgers women's volleyball team has to do with anything except to dox me out, but you feel better now, right? the player that i do know would not have acted out in such a manner as she was raised by a great family, a mom and a dad who are 2 of the most well respected people in our community
my point was, what the leaker of these pics did was abhorrent, no question about it. there are going to be leakers all throughout our lives, right tamu? however, these girls should have known better than to allow someone to take these pics of them putting themselves in compromising positions. they've grown up in this age of social media which can be very good and unfortunately, very bad, but they know how it works
they are going to find this person(the leaker) and he/she should be held accountable. there was no excuse for what the leaker did. all it takes is for someone with a cruel motive to do what they did. when someone has even the slightest vendetta, jealousy, a disagreement, differing opinions on certain things, like ohhh, political stances or something on a public forum, stuff like that. they will look for anything they can find to distract and demean...sound familiar?
Always a victim. So sad!
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Stop digging.
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Rocket, if you're determined to get a thread locked today, please move this conversation to the thread that was specifically created to discuss the leaked pics (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63648.0) and leave the Volleyball Thread alone. Thanks.
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i don't know what the hell this has to do with the fact that i know a player that USED to play for the badgers women's volleyball team has to do with anything except to dox me out, but you feel better now, right? the player that i do know would not have acted out in such a manner as she was raised by a great family, a mom and a dad who are 2 of the most well respected people in our community
LOL. TAMU didn't dox you. He referred to something that YOU posted!
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58654.msg1126927#msg1126927
the player that i do know would not have acted out in such a manner as she was raised by a great family, a mom and a dad who are 2 of the most well respected people in our community
Again you resort to victim blaming. "Good girls like my patient would never do that. Those girls should have known better!" (I mean, how do you know she never would have done that anyway?)
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Rocket, if you're determined to get a thread locked today, please move this conversation to the thread that was specifically created to discuss the leaked pics (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63648.0) and leave the Volleyball Thread alone. Thanks.
With StillAWarrior here. Sorry for responding in it.
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i don't know what the hell this has to do with the fact that i know a player that USED to play for the badgers women's volleyball team has to do with anything except to dox me out, but you feel better now, right? the player that i do know would not have acted out in such a manner as she was raised by a great family, a mom and a dad who are 2 of the most well respected people in our community
my point was, what the leaker of these pics did was abhorrent, no question about it. there are going to be leakers all throughout our lives, right tamu? however, these girls should have known better than to allow someone to take these pics of them putting themselves in compromising positions. they've grown up in this age of social media which can be very good and unfortunately, very bad, but they know how it works
they are going to find this person(the leaker) and he/she should be held accountable. there was no excuse for what the leaker did. all it takes is for someone with a cruel motive to do what they did. when someone has even the slightest vendetta, jealousy, a disagreement, differing opinions on certain things, like ohhh, political stances or something on a public forum, stuff like that. they will look for anything they can find to distract and demean...sound familiar?
Out of respect to StillAWarriors request, I'll respond here: https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63648.0
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went to see the women play @ DePaul yesterday. Looked like a decent MU crowd there, nobody was up for chanting we are Marquette.
Absolutely insane some of the saves, having never watched high level volleyball in person that was fun
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went to see the women play @ DePaul yesterday. Looked like a decent MU crowd there, nobody was up for chanting we are Marquette.
Absolutely insane some of the saves, having never watched high level volleyball in person that was fun
I was surprised to see that DePaul took them to five sets. I was thinking that it'd probably been a while since that happened, but I checked and saw it happened last year too. Then I saw that DePaul was 12-6 in the Big East last year (and 19-12 overall). As someone who followed Big East volleyball fairly closely for a number of years...what the hell? I was completely unaware that DePaul had such a strong season last year.
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I was surprised to see that DePaul took them to five sets. I was thinking that it'd probably been a while since that happened, but I checked and saw it happened last year too. Then I saw that DePaul was 12-6 in the Big East last year (and 19-12 overall). As someone who followed Big East volleyball fairly closely for a number of years...what the hell? I was completely unaware that DePaul had such a strong season last year.
DePaul volleyball = Sleeping Giant
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No reverse sweep this time. MU absolutely rolls Creighton. Should be a top 10 team right now if they hadn’t choked the first match away.
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No reverse sweep this time. MU absolutely rolls Creighton. Should be a top 10 team right now if they hadn’t choked the first match away.
They looked really good tonight and it was a great crowd at the Al.
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#1 Seed Marquette plays in the semis of the BET in Omaha at 4P central on Friday and faces the winner of Wednesday's 4 - St John's-5 UCONN matchup - https://twitter.com/MarquetteVB/status/1594453475945242625?s=20&t=aoN0zhipCUfyZR_lV2Z7uA
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Here in Omaha for the Big East Championship. Hopefully the state of Wisconsin completes the sweep over Nebraska (UW beat the huskers in the B1G championship)
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Here in Omaha for the Big East Championship. Hopefully the state of Wisconsin completes the sweep over Nebraska (UW beat the huskies in the B1G championship)
Enjoy! Go MU. They’ve proven to be the better team this year, but weird things usually happen with MU against Creighton, and it’s a road game.
Technically the Nebraska vs. UW match was for UW to win the B1G regular season. I don’t believe the B1G (or any of the power 5 conferences?) have a conference tournament. UW plays Ohio State tonight.
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Enjoy! Go MU. They’ve proven to be the better team this year, but weird things usually happen with MU against Creighton, and it’s a road game.
Technically the Nebraska vs. UW match was for UW to win the B1G regular season. I don’t believe the B1G (or any of the power 5 conferences?) have a conference tournament. UW plays Ohio State tonight.
Didn't know that. My wife's family was acting like it was a freaking national championship yesterday (most went to UNL)
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Didn't know that. My wife's family was acting like it was a freaking national championship yesterday (most went to UNL)
Yeah Wisconsin was a game up in the B1G standings on Nebraska and Ohio State going into this weekend, and played both teams. Wisconsin beat Nebraska and Minnesota (I think) beat Ohio State, so Wisconsin clinched the B1G title outright by going 2 games up after last night’s matches. Nebraska plays MN tonight.
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Marquette wins the first set at Creighton 25-16. Got up 8-2 and while Creighton tried to rally back, they never quite got back even. Two sets away from a Big East title and a virtual guarantee of home NCAA games this week.
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Creighton takes set two 25-20. Best of three now.
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Sitting next to Aubrey's dad. Cool guy
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Not really feeling like home team just saying they may have mixed that up
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Stumbled onto the match on FS2. MU power game seems to be np match for CU. Seems like the quick hitters are more effective.
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Creighton now leads 2-1 and Marquete needs to win to stay alive. Currently 13-11 in the fourth, Creighton leads but Marquette is keeping it close.
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I don't normally watch volleyball but this 4 set was very captivating.
Bring on the 5th.
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Was on the road and just checking in. Way overcoaching here if Marquette is subbing just for blocking purposes there. Setter is way too good to pull out there. When you get your dig you have one option and their block gets the real advantage.
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Number 1 rule of volleyball I was told as a kid... "you've got to make your serves" we convert on even half those long serves in the fifth set and we win
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Creighton's blocks were huge late. Seemed like we just didn't have the gas left to get over them and the little flips that worked early weren't as effective. Great match, disappointing result.
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MU is 6 of the last 7 BET finals. 0-6
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NCAA Bracket:
https://twitter.com/ncaavolleyball/status/1597026944763432961?s=21&t=T2glbAQe0v2Dj5DK8AsxdA
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Tickets.
https://offer.fevo.com/2022-ncaa-volleyballl-tournament-horwzrl-7628776?fevoUri=2022-ncaa-volleyballl-tournament-horwzrl-7628776%2F
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Georgia Tech is a tough draw. And Texas if you win that...woof.
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One thing about this bracket that is absolutely blowing my mind is that Stanford's reward for getting a number 1 seed is they get to play Pepperdine in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. Pepperdine beat Baylor, Washington, and Minnesota this season! And while they did lose each match against them, they've played BYU and San Diego (a 2 seed in the Tournament) in their conference season, so it's not like they've been playing nobody for the last couple months.
It would be like St. Mary's beating Kentucky, Michigan State, and Auburn in the non-conference, finishing behind a dominant Gonzaga and a really solid USF in conference while taking maybe 1 or two other not ideal losses in conference, and giving them a 16 seed when they should probably be like a 7-10 seed.
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Marquette took care of business pretty efficiently last night in a 3 set sweep against Ball State. They face a tough Georgia Tech squad at 6P tonight at the Al for a chance to go to the Sweet 16. Go Marquette!!!
The match is on ESPN+ if you are unable to attend and want to follow it (assuming you have an ESPN+ subscription also).
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Marquette took care of business pretty efficiently last night in a 3 set sweep against Ball State. They face a tough Georgia Tech squad at 6P tonight at the Al for a chance to go to the Sweet 16. Go Marquette!!!
The match is on ESPN+ if you are unable to attend and want to follow it (assuming you have an ESPN+ subscription also).
Pretty tough draw. Elite 8 last year. Bregmann is unreal. First Team All American last year and played with Brazil's (one of the top teams in the world) national team this past summer.
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I can't believe this is the first post since this morning.
Women sweep Georgia Tech.
They are going to the sweet 16!
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I can't believe this is the first post since this morning.
Women sweep Georgia Tech.
They are going to the sweet 16!
Yeah wish I could've watched. Looks like they dominated, so they must've played really well. Texas at Texas will be tough!
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I can't believe this is the first post since this morning.
Women sweep Georgia Tech.
They are going to the sweet 16!
Wish I could have gone but was able to watch a lot of it.
They looked pretty dominant again tonight - great to see. Exciting to see them go to the Sweet 16 for the second time ever. Go Marquette!!!
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Yeah wish I could've watched. Looks like they dominated, so they must've played really well. Texas at Texas will be tough!
They looked pretty strong tonight but yeah Texas at Texas is going to be one tough contest.
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The Al was awesome tonight. Great first volleyball match for my daughter, though we moved up from our reserved seats to the upper deck because she wanted to dance and I didn't want to be a bother to our neighbors. Straight sets was better than expected. And now we likely get a crack at another top-3 Texas team? We already won that last month. Let's do it again. 8-)
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The Al was awesome tonight. Great first volleyball match for my daughter, though we moved up from our reserved seats to the upper deck because she wanted to dance and I didn't want to be a bother to our neighbors. Straight sets was better than expected. And now we likely get a crack at another top-3 Texas team? We already won that last month. Let's do it again. 8-)
I love that about the Al - always let my girls dance away in the upper section of the Al at basketball games and not bother other people. Glad it was a great environment tonight. I wasn't expecting a 3 set win for them tonight.
Creighton is in the 5th set right now in their first round match against Auburn.
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Creighton loses round 1 to Auburn. Hate to see it.
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Creighton loses round 1 to Auburn. Hate to see it.
That surprised me and was disappointed to see it as you said.
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All-conference setter didn’t play. Couldn’t overcome it.
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Watched on my phone at a bar in decorah Iowa. Huge win, close first set.
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How are people watching? I thought the games were all being shown only on ESPN+, and don't think I'd ever consider getting an ESPN+ subscription.
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How are people watching? I thought the games were all being shown only on ESPN+, and don't think I'd ever consider getting an ESPN+ subscription.
ESPN+ figured if we keep advancing what's a single month payment before canceling
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How are people watching? I thought the games were all being shown only on ESPN+, and don't think I'd ever consider getting an ESPN+ subscription.
I've had an ESPN+ subscription for awhile - there are a lot of women's basketball games available on there that I'm interested in.
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ESPN+ is easily the best sports subscription that I have with regard to value. $10 month,. add/drop any time.
Volleyball, Women and Men's college basketball, NBA, Women and Men's College Soccer, pro soccer Women's college softball, Men's NCAA baseball. College football, track and field, field hockey, collece hockey, NHL, pro tennis majors, on and on.
Some of the above are full seasons too.
ESPN+ is perfectly fine for me for NCAA Volleyball.
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Marquette will host Wisconsin at the Fiserv Forum on September 13, 2023 - will be the first volleyball game at the Fiserv Forum.
https://gomarquette.com/news/2022/12/3/womens-volleyball-volleyball-to-host-wisconsin-at-fiserv-forum-in-2023
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/12/03/marquette-wisconsin-volleyball-teams-to-play-at-fiserv-forum-in-2023/69698636007/?cid=facebook_Milwaukee_Journal_Sentinel&fbclid=IwAR0oJv8nI9uoEquZX95DnfrsneV1ayVfrumduV7OndoQ7OA3upVD4JacsRI
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Marquette will host Wisconsin at the Fiserv Forum on September 13, 2023 - will be the first volleyball game at the Fiserv Forum.
https://gomarquette.com/news/2022/12/3/womens-volleyball-volleyball-to-host-wisconsin-at-fiserv-forum-in-2023
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2022/12/03/marquette-wisconsin-volleyball-teams-to-play-at-fiserv-forum-in-2023/69698636007/?cid=facebook_Milwaukee_Journal_Sentinel&fbclid=IwAR0oJv8nI9uoEquZX95DnfrsneV1ayVfrumduV7OndoQ7OA3upVD4JacsRI
Which is lame because it’ll be the 80% Badger fans. Should’ve let UW do it in the Kohl Hole first before we give up an actual home court advantage to make it a road game.
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I can't seem to find anywhere a time and location for the next round vs Texas? I assume we're heading to Austin but haven't seen that confirmed. TV coverage?
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I can't seem to find anywhere a time and location for the next round vs Texas? I assume we're heading to Austin but haven't seen that confirmed. TV coverage?
Highest seed remaining hosts the Sweet Sixteen. Stays there for the Elite 8 even if that team loses their Sweet Sixteen match.
Not sure times have been determined yet.
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I can't seem to find anywhere a time and location for the next round vs Texas? I assume we're heading to Austin but haven't seen that confirmed. TV coverage?
I don't see anything about time or TV coverage yet - just that it's Thu Dec 8th at Texas. I'm guessing Marquette -Texas will be the second match of the night (Ohio State-Minnesota is the other match in Austin) since it features the host school. I did hear them talking about Texas-Ohio State briefly during the 5th quarter TV coverage last night and was thinking each team does actually have another match before that could happen. But then one commentator did give a nice plug to Marquette and Anchante in particular.
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I did a google search and it looks like the regional semifinals are all on Thursday and will be on ESPNU mostly with a couple matches on ESPN2 with the first match starting at 11A EST and last match starting at 9P EST:
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/ncaa-volleyball-tv-schedule-2022-espn-btn-pac12-networks/
And I do see volleyball on my YouTube TV lineup at those times. But no times for each match announced yet as mentioned earlier in this thread.
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https://twitter.com/ncaavolleyball/status/1599427933193441280?s=21&t=VgFcMHyY2FW2p3N8wfibsg
Times and channels.
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Which is lame because it’ll be the 80% Badger fans. Should’ve let UW do it in the Kohl Hole first before we give up an actual home court advantage to make it a road game.
Marquette will include it in the student and season ticket basketball packages. Also free admission for MUVB campers.
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I don't see anything about time or TV coverage yet - just that it's Thu Dec 8th at Texas. I'm guessing Marquette -Texas will be the second match of the night (Ohio State-Minnesota is the other match in Austin) since it features the host school. I did hear them talking about Texas-Ohio State briefly during the 5th quarter TV coverage last night and was thinking each team does actually have another match before that could happen. But then one commentator did give a nice plug to Marquette and Anchante in particular.
Crap, I’m in Austin this week but fly out Thursday night. Wonder if I can change it?
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Crap, I’m in Austin this week but fly out Thursday night. Wonder if I can change it?
Would be sweet. The gym they play in looks awesome and is always packed. Plus the MN vs. Ohio State match before it should be awesome. MU match should start early afternoon.
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Would be sweet. The gym they play in looks awesome and is always packed. Plus the MN vs. Ohio State match before it should be awesome. MU match should start early afternoon.
If that’s true, might be able to make it! Flight is at 5:30 and traffic is almost never bad in Austin. ;D okay, maybe one set.
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If that’s true, might be able to make it! Flight is at 5:30 and traffic is almost never bad in Austin. ;D okay, maybe one set.
The bracket shows 1:30 PM start time. I believe it starts 30 minutes after the OSU/MN March (starts at 11:00). That one could very easily go 5, which would push the 1:30 time back. But if it’s a sweep it could start around 1:00. If you have nothing going on, it’d be worth going to that first match and then just staying as long as you can. Should be some great volleyball. But guessing it’s sold out. Could contact the MU ticket office as they should have an allotment.
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The bracket shows 1:30 PM start time. I believe it starts 30 minutes after the OSU/MN March (starts at 11:00). That one could very easily go 5, which would push the 1:30 time back. But if it’s a sweep it could start around 1:00. If you have nothing going on, it’d be worth going to that first match and then just staying as long as you can. Should be some great volleyball. But guessing it’s sold out. Could contact the MU ticket office as they should have an allotment.
Thanks! Appreciate it. Will reach out to MU.
Haven’t been to a sold out women’s volleyball game since my days in Hawaii and the wahine warriors. Would be cool.
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Thanks! Appreciate it. Will reach out to MU.
Haven’t been to a sold out women’s volleyball game since my days in Hawaii and the wahine warriors. Would be cool.
Hawaii matches (both men’s and women’s) look awesome. Would love to get to a match there.
Come to think of it, it during classes so the atmosphere might not be as rowdy as it’d be for a normal Texas home match. And the MN/OSU match probably won’t fill up much until the end when Texas fans start showing up for the Texas/MU match.
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Hawaii matches (both men’s and women’s) look awesome. Would love to get to a match there.
Come to think of it, it during classes so the atmosphere might not be as rowdy as it’d be for a normal Texas home match. And the MN/OSU match probably won’t fill up much until the end when Texas fans start showing up for the Texas/MU match.
Turns out the current UH coach was a player in the early 90s that we used to know. She was quite the badass.
Back then, they played in a smaller arena, but it was always packed. Fun, wild atmosphere.
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A Journal-Sentinel article - https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2022/12/07/marquette-volleyball-in-ncaa-tournament-sweet-16-match-at-texas/69708031007/
Good luck to volleyball tomorrow as they face a very good Texas team at Texas.
It was also interesting for me to read recently that Caroline Dragani is the daughter of former Marquette basketball player Stephanie Krumrei - I remember watching Krumrei play at Marquette.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2022/12/02/marquette-volleyball-beats-ball-state-in-first-round-ncaa-tournament/69690895007/
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The Texas coach looks like Varys in Game of Thrones
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Texas fans are arrogant unnatural carnal knowledges. As unlikely as it it, I hope Marquette smokes then.
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I have a feeling we might be waiting a while to see the MU match. This OSU vs. MN match is going to be a tight one.
McKenna Wucherer is a freshman OH on MN who went to Brookfield Central. From what I've heard she chose MN because of Hugh, who is retiring after this season. Would really suck to see her go to Wisconsin, especially since Wisconsin would keep her as a 3 rotation outside and she's way too good to be that. That would stunt her development for future national team consideration.
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I have a feeling we might be waiting a while to see the MU match. This OSU vs. MN match is going to be a tight one.
McKenna Wucherer is a freshman OH on MN who went to Brookfield Central. From what I've heard she chose MN because of Hugh, who is retiring after this season. Would really suck to see her go to Wisconsin, especially since Wisconsin would keep her as a 3 rotation outside and she's way too good to be that. That would stunt her development for future national team consideration.
They just said she committed in 8th grade? Wow.
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I have a feeling we might be waiting a while to see the MU match. This OSU vs. MN match is going to be a tight one.
McKenna Wucherer is a freshman OH on MN who went to Brookfield Central. From what I've heard she chose MN because of Hugh, who is retiring after this season. Would really suck to see her go to Wisconsin, especially since Wisconsin would keep her as a 3 rotation outside and she's way too good to be that. That would stunt her development for future national team consideration.
I mean, Marquette has a pin opening…Reistma/Foti is the weak link of the lineup right now.
I imagine there will be a lot of pins who will want to play with Anchante, but would be nice to pick her up if she enters the portal.
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I mean, Marquette has a pin opening…Reistma/Foti is the weak link of the lineup right now.
I imagine there will be a lot of pins who will want to play with Anchante, but would be nice to pick her up if she enters the portal.
Yeah I think she'd probably look more at a Nebraska/Wisconsin/Texas program. And she probably should. Playing the likes of Xavier, Butler, St. John's, Seton Hall, etc. every week won't help her development much. But hey, if she wants a homecoming I wouldn't be opposed!
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Yeah I think she'd probably look more at a Nebraska/Wisconsin/Texas program. And she probably should. Playing the likes of Xavier, Butler, St. John's, Seton Hall, etc. every week won't help her development much. But hey, if she wants a homecoming I wouldn't be opposed!
A lineup of Hamilton, Wucherer, Anchante, Murray, Bray and insert generic Libero here would be a legitimate Final 4 contender.
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Wucherer is getting totally dominated in this matchup. 23 for 37 with only 3 errors by the OSU right side?! Hugh has to get Landfair on that matchup in set 4.
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A Journal-Sentinel article - https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2022/12/07/marquette-volleyball-in-ncaa-tournament-sweet-16-match-at-texas/69708031007/
Good luck to volleyball tomorrow as they face a very good Texas team at Texas.
It was also interesting for me to read recently that Caroline Dragani is the daughter of former Marquette basketball player Stephanie Krumrei - I remember watching Krumrei play at Marquette.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2022/12/02/marquette-volleyball-beats-ball-state-in-first-round-ncaa-tournament/69690895007/
Great family. Pat and Steph are as good as it gets as people. They could hoop.
Caroline's older brother played baseball at Michigan and Pitt. And her little sister js a Wake Forest Volleyball commit.
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If you can't beat OSU in the serve/pass game you probably aren't going to win.
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If you can't beat OSU in the serve/pass game you probably aren't going to win.
Serve and pass game, at every single level.
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Was in the uncomfortable position of rooting for tOSU just so it could end.
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This might not last an hour.
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This might not last an hour.
Yeah this isn't great
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Way to have them ready to play Theis. unnatural carnal knowledgeing pathetic display.
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I didn't watch us play WI did we look this outclassed then?
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Wow, Texas is no joke. Deep breath
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I didn't watch us play WI did we look this outclassed then?
No.
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Need a couple clean passes on the serve.
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Gotta do something this off-season about Reistma. She’s not good enough to compete at this level m
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I have watched a lot of volleyball over the years. One thing I have learned is that an excellent team can make a really good team look horrible. Honestly, I feel that this is more true in volleyball than most sports. The "really good" team is playing terribly...but the "excellent" team is making them play that way.
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At least these last few we've looked like a competent team.
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MU is a legit top 15 team. But the difference between the top 5 teams and a top 15 team like MU or Creighton is like the difference between MU and NCCU in men’s basketball. Wurcherer alone doesn’t get us over the top to that level. Her and about 2 other top 5 recruits might.
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How the hell did Iowa state beat Texas?
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... any given day....
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Good thing abo volleyball, don’t need to make up those 10 points.
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This is also why I’d take a job like MIZZOU if I got offered if I’m Theis. This season is MU’s ceiling.
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This is also why I’d take a job like MIZZOU if I got offered if I’m Theis. This season is MU’s ceiling.
Eh, they weren’t expected to do much this year to be fair.
Nearly complete roster turnover, Vanden Berg injury.
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Gotta do something this off-season about Reistma. She’s not good enough to compete at this level m
???? She is the only one playing well.
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???? She is the only one playing well.
You’re not wrong, that was not the case the last month of the season.
She couldn’t get anything to hit the floor.
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Eh, they weren’t expected to do much this year to be fair.
Nearly complete roster turnover, Vanden Berg injury.
I just don't see how they can match the physicality of programs like Texas at Marquette. Or any of the top Big 10 and Pac 12 teams. Not to mention, even if you can, you sleep walk through 16 of your 18 conference matches and then have to turn it up in December. Just hard to deal with that.
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I just don't see how they can match the physicality of programs like Texas at Marquette. Or any of the top Big 10 and Pac 12 teams. Not to mention, even if you can, you sleep walk through 16 of your 18 conference matches and then have to turn it up in December. Just hard to deal with that.
Is there no Gonzaga MBB style program in volleyball?
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I just don't see how they can match the physicality of programs like Texas at Marquette. Or any of the top Big 10 and Pac 12 teams. Not to mention, even if you can, you sleep walk through 16 of your 18 conference matches and then have to turn it up in December. Just hard to deal with that.
I mean they had Wisconsin on the ropes before that epic choke job.
Like I don’t disagree with the sentiment, there are much better jobs available than Marquette (every single big ten job) but if there’s a cycle you see through it’s one where you have an AA setter and two 6’5” middles for two more years.
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I mean they had Wisconsin on the ropes before that epic choke job.
Like I don’t disagree with the sentiment, there are much better jobs available than Marquette (every single big ten job) but if there’s a cycle you see through it’s one where you have an AA setter and two 6’5” middles for two more years.
We did, but by this point in the season I don't think we'd be very competitive with Wisconsin. They're much, much better now than they were then, and we're about what we were then. We're a nice program, no doubt. And Marquette invests in the program. It's just dang near impossible to recruit to the Big East.
But hey, this is a nice 3rd set for us.
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It would be nice to win this third set. Settled down and running their system now.
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Probably too big a hill to climb, but it is good to see them pull it together.
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Probably too big a hill to climb...
Or not...
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Alright, stole one and lasted longer than the Louisville match. Still not gonna get my hopes up.
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I assume Texas bounces back in a big way this set, but can't take that set away from them.
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Serve-receive is a big gap. Texas has some big arms almost at every position.
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Well it wasn’t serve receive in set 4 at least.
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Glad Texas fell asleep at the wheel for one. Texas's physicality is just a different level, and Eggleston is a cheat code. When Marquette is out of system you keep it in play and live to fight another day. When Texas is out of system you set it to Eggleston and let it rip.
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Ah well, came out totally flat and timid. Took two entire sets to get into the game.
Weirdly enough, I’d rather see Ohio State win.
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We'll wish they'd been a bit more ready out the gate but at least the last two sets we didn't look like we were shell shocked.
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Welp. Great season with a lot of potential ahead. Theis has been very good in the transfer market filling in with experience.
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Glad Texas fell asleep at the wheel for one. Texas's physicality is just a different level, and Eggleston is a cheat code. When Marquette is out of system you keep it in play and live to fight another day. When Texas is out of system you set it to Eggleston and let it rip.
Yea that was certainly the most frustrating part was the OOS kills.
Think you put yourself in a good spot and they just put it away. Need some pins from the portal.
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The 7 other teams I've seen playing today (Oregon, Nebraska, Texas, Florida, Pitt, Ohio State, Minnesota) are just so much more physical than Marquette is. Marquette's setting and overall ball control is good enough, but the contact point for the rest of these teams is just a notch above where Marquette is. And it's so hard for teams outside of the power conferences to land that type of athlete. Theis does seem to have the recipe to make it work. Teams like San Diego and Louisville (before they became a powerhouse) built their programs through the transfer portal and landed players who were in those power conference gyms every day.
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Yea it’s gotta be through the portal. Marquette is on a two year clock and historically their most physical players they got through “traditional” recruitment (Barber, Louis, Rosenthal) take time to develop.
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San Diego is better than I thought. Their setter is awesome.
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MU adds an OH from Illinois State. 5’10”. Not sure that helps much.
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MU adds an OH from Illinois State. 5’10”. Not sure that helps much.
Can move Hamilton to oppo I guess.
Eh.
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UW loses at home in 5 sets. Just hate to see it.
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UW loses at home in 5 sets. Just hate to see it.
Yeah they were down like 10-5 in the fifth, took a 12-11 lead I think, and then Pitt still won.
Also, I switched to the UW match with Stanford up 10-5 and 1 set to 0 and flipped it back on and it’s 1 set to 1. Didn’t see that comeback coming.
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UW loses at home in 5 sets. Just hate to see it.
No booby videos this year.
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Somebody over at Volleytalk is hinting at Theis taking a different job. That would be a bummer.
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This is also why I’d take a job like MIZZOU if I got offered if I’m Theis. This season is MU’s ceiling.
Mizzou hired Dawn Sullivan, the 4 year head coach at UNLV. The connection is Mizzou’s newer AD was the AD at UNLV.
Sullivan played at Kansas State, and she was a 13 year assistant at Iowa State.
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Mizzou hired Dawn Sullivan, the 4 year head coach at UNLV. The connection is Mizzou’s newer AD was the AD at UNLV.
Sullivan played at Kansas State, and she was a 13 year assistant at Iowa State.
I think that’s a pretty solid hire for MIZZOU.
I’m interested to see if the volleytalk poster was correct on Theis, and if so where it’d be. They suggested somewhere in the south.
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Extension for Theis.
https://gomarquette.com/news/2022/12/19/womens-volleyball-ryan-theis-signs-extension-at-marquette
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Lol, someone got some bad info. Now he could be gone in 2 years but still kinda funny.
Or he used it to leverage Marquette, which good, pay the man.
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Gonna guess he’s probably the second highest paid person on campus if he wasn’t already.
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Gonna guess he’s probably the second highest paid person on campus if he wasn’t already.
Duffy makes over $600k as Women’s Hoops head coach.
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Duffy makes over $600k as Women’s Hoops head coach.
AAV or total contract? Gotta imagine Theis would eclipse that if that’s the total number
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Gonna guess he’s probably the second highest paid person on campus if he wasn’t already.
I doubt he is making more than Mike Lovell, who is near $1 million a year. Plus Scholl and a few VPs are in the mid six figures.
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Extension for Theis.
https://gomarquette.com/news/2022/12/19/womens-volleyball-ryan-theis-signs-extension-at-marquette
Excellent news.
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AAV or total contract? Gotta imagine Theis would eclipse that if that’s the total number
Per year. Duffy makes has been making north of $600k per year.
I would be surprised if he was making more than $600k per year. But good for him his new contract secures that.
The previous Women’s head basketball coach was making $485k per year when she left.
I kept it to coaches assuming you meant coaches. Lovell makes close to 7 figures. Scholl around $500k a year etc…..Joel is close to that etc…
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Per year. Duffy makes has been making north of $600k per year.
I would be surprised if he was making more than $600k per year. But good for him his new contract secures that.
The previous Women’s head basketball coach was making $485k per year when she left.
I kept it to coaches assuming you meant coaches. Lovell makes close to 7 figures. Scholl around $500k a year etc…..Joel is close to that etc…
I didn’t realize Duffy made that much, I would imagine he’s probably looking at 400k a year, in line with a middle of the pack Big Ten coach.
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Per year. Duffy makes has been making north of $600k per year.
I would be surprised if he was making more than $600k per year. But good for him his new contract secures that.
The previous Women’s head basketball coach was making $485k per year when she left.
I kept it to coaches assuming you meant coaches. Lovell makes close to 7 figures. Scholl around $500k a year etc…..Joel is close to that etc…
Isn't that the amount Keiger left us to make at Penn St? Odd that we wouldn't negotiate with a highly successful alum just to pay a highly successful new coach the same.
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I didn’t realize Duffy made that much, I would imagine he’s probably looking at 400k a year, in line with a middle of the pack Big Ten coach.
Yeah I’d think even that is on the high end. Hugh’s base contract was $250K at Minnesota and he was a gold medal Olympic coach at a top 3 Big Ten job. I think after incentives he was at around $500K.
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Isn't that the amount Keiger left us to make at Penn St? Odd that we wouldn't negotiate with a highly successful alum just to pay a highly successful new coach the same.
Keiger's successor at PSU made around $800K I believe, so I'm pretty sure she's making substantially more than $600K. $600K is pretty close to the lowest salary of all WBB coaches in the B10.
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Keiger's successor at PSU made around $800K I believe, so I'm pretty sure she's making substantially more than $600K. $600K is pretty close to the lowest salary of all WBB coaches in the B10.
Did Keiger leave PSU?
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Did Keiger leave PSU?
He meant predecessor. And that coach Coquese Washington, is currently the head coach at Rutgers after making a brief stop as a Notre Dame assistant with Niele Ivey. (She was also an assistant there when Niele played and she also played there)
Washington’s Rutgers deal is $725k base per season for six seasons. It goes up $25k per year. Bonuses can get up to an additional few hundred thousand if reached.
This is less than what Stringer was making there. But it’s roughly similar to what some others have been making in their league.
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Wades, think Jade Demps may be an option?
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Wades, think Jade Demps may be an option?
To be honest I don’t follow recruiting much. But if she’s in the portal and wants to play at MU I’d definitely take her. Has the size and athleticism to help on the pins. Gets better setting at MU than UW. She’s from Raleigh though, so I could see her maybe wanting to be closer to home and be the go to pin on UNC/Duke/NCState/Wake. No clue though.
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I’d get the money men who paid Wojo to go away to pay the Ohio State outsides to come in. Wonder what’s going on with that program. Both OHs and S in the portal after an Elite 8 run.
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Anders Nelson will be the new and first Women’s Volleyball coach since 1980 at Vanderbilt. Vandy recently added Volleyball again as a varsity sport.
He is originally from St. Croix Falls, WI. The 6’9 Nelson played at Ball State.
Anders was an 11 year assistant at Kentucky. 6 SEC Titles. 2020 NCAA National Title. Top 10 recruiting class 5 times in past 7 years while he has been associate head coach.
They are set to begin play in 2025.
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In a move that reminds me of Jerry Tarkanian's famous quote ("“The NCAA was so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland State two more years of probation.”), Georgetown's athletics department accepted David Heller's resignation. Wow...they must be pissed at Ewing.
While my interest in Georgetown volleyball is much lower than in the past, I would like to see them do well. I'd like to see them make a good hire. I'd be shocked, but I'd like to see it.
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While my interest in Georgetown volleyball is much lower than in the past, I would like to see them do well. I'd like to see them make a good hire. I'd be shocked, but I'd like to see it.
Georgetown hired a new volleyball coach - AJ Bonetti (https://guhoyas.com/news/2023/2/15/womens-volleyball-aj-bonetti-named-georgetown-volleyball-head-coach.aspx). I can't say that I'm familiar with him, but he's got a relatively good resume for a Georgetown hire. He's been an Assistant at Maryland for five years and was an Assistant at Tennessee for a couple years before that (as well as a Grad/Volunteer stint at George Washington). It seems he's had some success developing middles. All in all, it seems like this could be a pretty good hire for the Hoyas. Time will tell.
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Has Marquette mentioned anything about their 2023 recruits yet?
All I’ve seen is that libero, and that’s certainly not enough for a recruiting class.
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Nebraska volleyball is playing Nebraska Omaha in Nebraska's football stadium in August. We'll see how that goes.
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Pretty dang strong non-con schedule for MU. Should be able to check them out against Pitt and Kansas in Lawrence.
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Kushner listed as a Libero on the roster is pretty telling.
Very frustrating offseason, you have a top 5 setter in the nation, a coach with a brand new contract and can’t get one pin to tag on for a special year.
Ceiling is a s16. Can’t continue to roll our out Foti and Reitsma on the pins and compete for a final four.
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Kushner listed as a Libero on the roster is pretty telling.
Very frustrating offseason, you have a top 5 setter in the nation, a coach with a brand new contract and can’t get one pin to tag on for a special year.
Ceiling is a s16. Can’t continue to roll our out Foti and Reitsma on the pins and compete for a final four.
Euro trip starting. Foti listed as (back to) setter so expect some 6-2 which Ryan has played often in the past. Daugherty off red shirt at MB and maybe Bray to OH is in the works? Deep team with versatility but Libero a question mark to me.
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Euro trip starting. Foti listed as (back to) setter so expect some 6-2 which Ryan has played often in the past. Daugherty off red shirt at MB and maybe Bray to OH is in the works? Deep team with versatility but Libero a question mark to me.
I’d be stunned if they go 6-2 with Achante. Same with Bray at outside, not enough ball control, Hamilton is iffy in serve receive as is.
Kushner at Libero isn’t my issue, I think she’ll be fine, It’s just you know what you needed this offseason, a big pin who can terminate out of system, and they just don’t have that.
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I’d be stunned if they go 6-2 with Achante. Same with Bray at outside, not enough ball control, Hamilton is iffy in serve receive as is.
Kushner at Libero isn’t my issue, I think she’ll be fine, It’s just you know what you needed this offseason, a big pin who can terminate out of system, and they just don’t have that.
Ryan's teams always start the season hot and then they get their weaknesses exposed/more predictable because of versatility due to depth and many injuries (like a few years ago with a slew of knee injuries). I think he will be trying to be more versatile at times like when Wolf was here and to play Bray more on the pins (like Carlson who started as a MB).
At times versus Texas, MU held its own but the Longhorn depth overwhelmed them. I am hoping S16 isn't their high water mark as a program but he has to try and change it up and build on his strengths. I know he is high on Ifill developing as well on the pin.
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National semifinals to be aired on ESPN, finals on ABC.
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The men’s team actually looked really good today?
Super impressive performance, especially from Jaeschke who hasn’t even been a factory for the national team as of late.
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The men’s team actually looked really good today?
Super impressive performance, especially from Jaeschke who hasn’t even been a factory for the national team as of late.
He’s finally healthy. Plus with Russel injured and Sanders moving to beach it’s giving him the opportunity to play.
Heard from a *solid* source that TJ threw a hissy fit after going up 2-0 against France on Thursday because he wasn’t getting enough sets. Jaeshke should probably continue to start over TJ even when Russel is healthy.
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He’s finally healthy. Plus with Russel injured and Sanders moving to beach it’s giving him the opportunity to play.
Heard from a *solid* source that TJ threw a hissy fit after going up 2-0 against France on Thursday because he wasn’t getting enough sets. Jaeshke should probably continue to start over TJ even when Russel is healthy.
Yea I go back and forth with DeFalco, looked like he really turned a corner early on in the VNL, but apparently it’s the same old TJ.
He’s such a weapon in the back row though, both serving and attacking.
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Marquette preseason #12
Tough non-conference too.
#2 Wisconsin
#5 Pittsburgh
#9 Oregon
#16 Purdue
#24 Western Kentucky
Go 3-2 during that stretch, split with Creighton and sweep the rest of the conference schedule, should be in line for top 16 seed
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Marquette preseason #12
Tough non-conference too.
#2 Wisconsin
#5 Pittsburgh
#9 Oregon
#16 Purdue
#24 Western Kentucky
Go 3-2 during that stretch, split with Creighton and sweep the rest of the conference schedule, should be in line for top 16 seed
Wow - those are some good opponents on their non-conference schedule. Fall is really crazy for me but I am going to have to see if I can make it to a few volleyball matches.
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Marquette preseason #12
Tough non-conference too.
#2 Wisconsin
#5 Pittsburgh
#9 Oregon
#16 Purdue
#24 Western Kentucky
Go 3-2 during that stretch, split with Creighton and sweep the rest of the conference schedule, should be in line for top 16 seed
Got my tickets for Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Wisconsin and Oregon. Unbelievable home schedule!
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Carsen Murray in a walking boot. Not great…
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Those are some UUUUUUUUGLY numbers in set one.
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Same exact issues as last year, Hamilton is the only pin that can terminate.
Reitsma can’t get a ball to hit the floor and Foti is not a right side. This is on Theis for not getting a pin in the portal.
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Same exact issues as last year, Hamilton is the only pin that can terminate.
Reitsma can’t get a ball to hit the floor and Foti is not a right side. This is on Theis for not getting a pin in the portal.
Not able to watch so not sure as I can only go off of stats, but it seems like passing might be the issue in this match so far. 5 aces for WKU through a set and a half, and only 26 total attempts in set one for Marquette. 2 total attempts out of the middle from MU through a set and a half.
MU should still win this match, but if the passing isn't there this season then they will be a big disappointment.
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Kaylee Cox should be able to keep MU in the match herself. I got season tickets to Mizzou's volleyball team last year (knowing they'd stink) because I was brand new to the city and what else was I going to do? She was this highly touted recruit out of Texas. Mizzou would try to hide her in serve receive but couldn't pass, would tank 3 straight balls into the bottom of the net, and then would get one big kill and act like she just won a national title. Give up 3, get 1. Hate those types of players.
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Down 0-1 in sets and 22-24 in set 2, coming back to win 26-24 is big time. Turns out when you don't hit negative you give yourself a chance to win the set.
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Theis has earned the benefit of the doubt, but if Foti is truly the best option at right side, than Theis has either failed in recruiting, or is so incredibly stubborn. Either isn’t a good look.
Western Kentucky’s outsides have almost 60 attacks through 3 sets and she doesn’t have a single block as the primary oppo.
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Completely embarrassing. There is zero reason to lose that match when you return your entire team.
Foti is a total liability.
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And got demolished in their first set to Drake. Kushner to the bench already.
Gonna be a looong season. Feels like they read too many of their own press clippings.
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WKU got absolutely SMOKED by Dayton last night. Yikes.
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WKU got absolutely SMOKED by Dayton last night. Yikes.
Maybe bringing in an outside hitter from a mid major to play Libero on a team with Elite 8 aspirations as your only addition wasn’t the best of ideas.
Weird
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Serve receive is not good and the block is non-existent
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Foti is a complete liability in the front row. There is just no way to sugar coat it.
The fact that Theis continues to plays her while she gets abused by a 5’8” OH and hits negative is mind blowing.
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I don’t know what the hell happened between last season and this season, but they look god awful.
Like, they don’t even look like a tournament team awful.
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Volleyball is different in Nebraska (https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38294591/nebraska-volleyball-sets-world-record-attendance-women-sporting-event). I wonder what the gate and concessions were for that match...I'd imagine it was more than the annual budget for a lot of programs.
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Volleyball is different in Nebraska (https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38294591/nebraska-volleyball-sets-world-record-attendance-women-sporting-event). I wonder what the gate and concessions were for that match...I'd imagine it was more than the annual budget for a lot of programs.
That's pretty awesome. Tickets were $25 each. Pretty sure NU volleyball is the only profitable women's team in the NCAA.
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Well that's more like it in the first set.
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And then you go service error, Purdue kill, hitting error, hitting error, hitting error, hitting error, hitting error, Purdue service error (finally), MU service error, Purdue ace. YUCK.
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Having 3 match points and not closing the door isn't ideal.
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Im done with this season already. They got bailed out against Dayton and proceeded to do the exact same thing against Purdue.
Completely on Theis
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Lost in 4 sets versus ranked Kansas. Home opener versus Pittsburgh on Friday.
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They might go into BE play with 7 losses. Not many chances for good wins in the BE. Just 3 total.
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I refuse to watch them until Foti is benched. Not worth my time.
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I refuse to watch them until Foti is benched. Not worth my time.
She’s not really the issue. She played all last year and the team was as good as a BE team can be. One thing has changed…
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She’s not really the issue. She played all last year and the team was as good as a BE team can be. One thing has changed…
You ready for the 6-2 yet?
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You ready for the 6-2 yet?
I am personally not a fan of a 6-2 at high levels of volleyball. Especially when it takes your best player off the court for half of the match.
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She’s not really the issue. She played all last year and the team was as good as a BE team can be. One thing has changed…
I mean she’s hitting -.300 against Pitt right now. Sure there are other issues at play but at a certain point…
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That was a waste of time for me tonight. Need to get things corrected for Sunday versus Tennessee.
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That was a waste of time for me tonight. Need to get things corrected for Sunday versus Tennessee.
It won’t be as bad, but I’d expect a sweep. The reality is they were never a top 15 team. They’d get one really good non con win, win 1 of 3 against Creighton, dominate the rest of a bad BE, and get a seed in the Tournament. But if they played a B1G schedule they’re bottom 5 in that conference. Just really hard to recruit at that level. It’s a whole different beast.
They scheduled like they were a top 10 team but they’re not close to that.
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That was a waste of time for me tonight. Need to get things corrected for Sunday versus Tennessee.
They won’t. They’ll go into the conference season with 7 losses and probably need to win an auto bid to make the tourney at this point.
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What an awesome environment at the Fiserv, ladies are showing up! Not a great start from the setter, but the blocking and defense have been awesome.
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Really surprising for a veteran team to have so much difficulty closing. Jeez.
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My god close a set out.
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So frustrating to watch as a casual observer. This thing could have been over if they could close.
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So frustrating to watch as a casual observer. This thing could have been over if they could close.
Same here. To this casual observer, UW is clearly the more talented team but they've given MU the opportunity to knock them off and MU just not getting it done at the end.
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Marquette absolutely had it for the taking. Keep fighting this set!
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The air has exited the building, the mojo is no mo. Not over but not the same. Good effort, lots to build on. Must finish.
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Billy Packer was right
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Marquette just doesn’t have that pin where Anchante can say “Here go up and get it”
This team needs an Allie Barber, Taylor Louis or hell, even an Autumn Bailey.
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Tough to win when your middles and setter have more kills than two of your pins.
Here’s what I’d personally like to see.
Give Reitsma the Libero jersey, she’s probably a better passer and defender than Kushner anyways.
Holmstrom has been pretty terminal in her limited opportunities in the front row, give her the OH2 slot and let Kushner take her back row.
Put Ifill on the RS and let Foti play get back row.
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Same as #muMbb this year… rough record, but good team
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The passing is soooooo bad. I don’t know how you couldn’t convince your Libero to not transfer to an okay program, and how you couldn’t find someone better than a mid major OH to transfer in to be your Libero. There are a million defensive specialists out there in the women’s game. You don’t even need to give them scholarship money a lot of time. This girl looks slow and very unsure of what she’s doing.
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I admit, I do not know much about Volleyball, but I do watch the team and go to a handful of games. Why is Murray not playing more, is she coming off an injury?
Also, Natalie Ring played some last year and I think was a decently regarding HS player and I think Morgan Daughtry was a decent HS recruit as well, why don’t they play at all?
Just curious if someone more knowledge than me knows more about what is going on with the team.
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Another brutal game to be at. I understand the height of Oregon was a factor. Yet, MU looks slow. Passing is poor. On to Villanova on Friday.
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Watched a bit of the UW v FL game, UW stormed back down 0-2 to win. MU isn’t great, but man the result v UW could have easily been 3-0. Perhaps a combination of not being particularly sharp and a mental let down hurt. Gotta keep fighting!
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Watched a bit of the UW v FL game, UW stormed back down 0-2 to win. MU isn’t great, but man the result v UW could have easily been 3-0. Perhaps a combination of not being particularly sharp and a mental let down hurt. Gotta keep fighting!
Florida’s All American setter (probably) tore her ACL towards the end of set 2, and they were missing one of their outsides.
Florida’s best pin hitter is a freshman who played two years of high school in the Green Bay Area, as her dad was an assistant coach with the Packers. Former Packer great Ruvell Martin.
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Florida’s All American setter (probably) tore her ACL towards the end of set 2, and they were missing one of their outsides.
Florida’s best pin hitter is a freshman who played two years of high school in the Green Bay Area, as her dad was an assistant coach with the Packers. Former Packer great Ruvell Martin.
Ahh, I thought I had heard something about an injury, didn’t realize it was about the time the match swung. I tuned in late in the third. I’m a big Orzol fan.
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Ahh, I thought I had heard something about an injury, didn’t realize it was about the time the match swung. I tuned in late in the third. I’m a big Orzol fan.
Orzol would make an awesome Big East outside. Too small to consistently terminate in the Big Ten, but quick and athletic with a solid arm. She'd be better off at Marquette, while Anchante would take Wisconsin from a Final Four candidate to the clear favorite to win the NCAA championship.
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Ahhh, nothing like Big East play to right the ship.
Think it’s pretty telling though that while everyone is hitting .350+ over the first two matches, Reitsma is still in the .100s against bad teams
She is just not a capable attacker at this level. Give her the Libero jersey and let Holmstrom get some run at OH2 with Kushner taking her back row.
Think that would help with the serve receive issues as well.
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Ahhh, nothing like Big East play to right the ship.
Think it’s pretty telling though that while everyone is hitting .350+ over the first two matches, Reitsma is still in the .100s against bad teams
She is just not a capable attacker at this level. Give her the Libero jersey and let Holmstrom get some run at OH2 with Kushner taking her back row.
Think that would help with the serve receive issues as well.
Big fan of Reitsma, I think I like your observations.
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The Dayton win is starting to look really good. Could it be enough to get us in at large if we don't slip to any team? (sans Creighton)
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Marquette takes care of #15 ranked Creighton at the Al in three sets. Good crowd of 2,209.
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Marquette takes care of #15 ranked Creighton at the Al in three sets. Good crowd of 2,209.
Wow very impressive. Especially with Murray hitting negative.
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Creighton really needs Norah Sis back (our best player)
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Clinched a share of the Big East title yesterday.
With our only strong wins being Dayton & Creighton I'm still nervous about whether we would get an at large bid.
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Clinched a share of the Big East title yesterday.
With our only strong wins being Dayton & Creighton I'm still nervous about whether we would get an at large bid.
They're safely in. St. John's is the one sweating it out.
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And MU loses in 5 in the semis at home to St. John’s. Up 5-1 in the 5th to down 11-6. Yikes!
Honestly probably don’t deserve to be in the Tournament? But will be. Most likely will get like an 8/9 matchup to play Wisconsin in the 2nd round.
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Just a miserable performance. What an incredible disappointing season from this team after returning everyone.
To beat a team 25-11 in set one and come back and lose the next one 14-25 is completely inexcusable.
This season is on Theis for his complete lack of development of these players and his inability to get another pin or Libero building off of last years success.
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Jays sweep St John’s to win the championship and have a decent shot at a 3 seed.
Agree, knowing how they place teams in the ncaa tournament that Marquette will be headed to Madison.
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https://www.buckys5thquarter.com/wisconsin-badgers-volleyball/2023/11/24/23975161/wisconsin-badgers-volleyball-sweep-nebraska-huskers-home-statement-win-anna-smrek-sarah-franklin
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6 seed in Purdue’s regional. I don’t think Purdue would be particularly pleased with that draw.
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All of Reitsma’s swings are basically roll shots against good competition.
She’s completely useless against high majors.
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MU comically bad at closing out sets, and has been all year.
Up 19-16 set 2, lose. Up 23-19! Set 3 and give up a 5-0 run before tying it at 24-24.
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Horrid officiating too. Coaches are 6/6 from challenges and an abysmal lift call against Bray in set 2.
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Par for the course for the season. Couldn’t close out another set, Reitsma couldn’t terminate to save her life.
Way to go Theis. Great roster construction.
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Well that's a bummer, how's the prospects for next year? Seems like we have a lot of our key players back. What glaring issues need filling to actually live up to the hype of a preseason 12 ranking?
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Well that's a bummer, how's the prospects for next year? Seems like we have a lot of our key players back. What glaring issues need filling to actually live up to the hype of a preseason 12 ranking?
Murray and Hamilton are both gone unless they have COVID years.
I think next year is gonna be tough unless they hit the portal hard. Like, wrong side of the bubble tough.
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Murray and Hamilton are both gone unless they have COVID years.
I think next year is gonna be tough unless they hit the portal hard. Like, wrong side of the bubble tough.
Neither celebrated senior day though, maybe they're really into being in college?
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Sergio big IT Volleyball Supporter
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just saw MU's LinkedIn post that Murray announced she decided to stay at MU next fall as an MBA student. That's big, bring back Hamilton and a couple transfers could make for a better team.
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Packed crowd tonight in Omaha at CHI center for first game of Womans Pro League , Omaha Supernova.
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Packed crowd tonight in Omaha at CHI center for first game of Womans Pro League , Omaha Supernova.
11,624 attended
https://omaha.com/sports/professional/other/omaha-supernovas-force-fifth-set-but-lose-heartbreaker-to-atlanta-vibe-in-pro-volleyball-debut/article_bb56d8da-baee-11ee-98a4-cfb5683d9cac.html
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Jenna rosenthall signed to play pro volleyball in the new league. Good for her.