Ripples from Fischer coming to MU

[MarsupialMadness]

Buzz gave a coaching speech to my buddy's sales division a couple years ago -

My friend, who has no affiliation with MU, said the one thing he took from him was how connected Buzz was.  Buzz said he either calls or writes a handwritten note to someone from his past (a mentor, someone he's helped, etc) every single day.

So I'm sure him and Crean talk.  Maybe not everyday, but I see no reason they don't.

[tower912]

Juan is going to be vital next year.   Senior glue guys who turn into leaders are priceless. 

[BrewCity83]

Juan is going to be vital next year.   Senior glue guys who turn into leaders are priceless. 

I totally agree.

Juan 2015 = Lockett 2013

[Lennys Tap]

Buzz gave a coaching speech to my buddy's sales division a couple years ago -

My friend, who has no affiliation with MU, said the one thing he took from him was how connected Buzz was.  Buzz said he either calls or writes a handwritten note to someone from his past (a mentor, someone he's helped, etc) every single day.

So I'm sure him and Crean talk.  Maybe not everyday, but I see no reason they don't.

A.Buzz calls or write someone from his past every day

B.Tom Crean is from Buzz's past

C.Ergo, you're sure buzz and TC talk

False syllogism.

[MarsupialMadness]

I just don't think it's as far fetched of an idea as you make it sound.

[🏀]

I'm 95% sure I remember a published Buzz comment that him and TC still talk every few weeks. I tried searching for it, and haven't found it yet. However, I am fairly certain it was said.

[🏀]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/one-one-buzz-williams-133300832--ncaab.html

A: We share texts and voicemails. We don't talk every day or anything like that. I know he's doing an outstanding job down there. I'm happy for any success that they have. He's part of the reason why this program is in the condition it is in. I never try to take credit for how this program got to this point, because I didn't have anything to do with it. It's all about what Coach Crean had done the previous nine years, not to mention what all the coaches before him had done. I just want to make sure I'm accountable for what happens beyond this point.

[Daniel]

A.Buzz calls or write someone from his past every day

B.Tom Crean is from Buzz's past

C.Ergo, you're sure buzz and TC talk

False syllogism.

Well, actually an invalid argument. You can have valued logical arguments with completely false statements. But the argument is valid.

[Lennys Tap]

I just don't think it's as far fetched of an idea as you make it sound.

I didn't say it was far fetched. You're the one who is "sure", not me.

[Pakuni]

Is it sorta weird or super weird that you guys are debating the nature and extent of the friendship/bromance between two men none of you know?

[Lennys Tap]

Is it sorta weird or super weird that you guys are debating the nature and extent of the friendship/bromance between two men none of you know?

TAMU stated that Buzz has "stated many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and that they share a close friendship". The fact is he hasn't said that once, let alone many times.

[The Equalizer]

There is one person over his career for whom Buzz took a demotion to work for: Tom Crean.

Every other move--from student asssistant at Navarro to head coach at UNO was an upward move.

And please don't even claim UNO's slow post-Katrina recovery as justification--it was neither so bad that Buzz couldn't have worked with the situation for another year (and received major props in coaching circles for fighting for his players in a very challenging situation), nor was Marquette the employer of last resort and his only option.

And in making this move, Buzz took two major risks
--he would probably not get another shot at a D1 head coaching job (short of promotion) for the foreseeable future. And Buzz has admitted this himself. ADs are understandibly skittish about hiring a guy who quit his last D1 job after only one season.
--he subjected himself to hundreds of thousands of dollars in possible buyout costs because he never bothered to actually challenge UNO on any of the alleged contract breaches--he simply quit before bringing forth any legal challenge.

Its hard to accept that there isn't some relationship between him and Crean--nobody makes the types of moves with the size of the risks that Buzz did without having a very strong relationship with the guy hiring him.

If Buzz were out of work, yeah, fine, you could argue he took the job out of convenience and didn't hold Crean in high regard.  But Buzz wasn't out of work--he had a multi-year contract with an outstanding first recruiting class.

And then one has to consider which of his assistants did Crean recommend to MU as his replacement.  Not Buckely.  Not Seltzer.

Is that "proof"?  No.  But its at least a common sense basis that they still speak. At one point Buzz felt strongly enough about Crean that he took a huge career risk to work for him, and subsequently Crean recommended him to MU for the open head coaching job.  That doesnt' sound like the actions of two parties disinterested in one another.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

There is one person over his career for whom Buzz took a demotion to work for: Tom Crean.

Every other move--from student asssistant at Navarro to head coach at UNO was an upward move.

And please don't even claim UNO's slow post-Katrina recovery as justification--it was neither so bad that Buzz couldn't have worked with the situation for another year (and received major props in coaching circles for fighting for his players in a very challenging situation), nor was Marquette the employer of last resort and his only option.

And in making this move, Buzz took two major risks
--he would probably not get another shot at a D1 head coaching job (short of promotion) for the foreseeable future. And Buzz has admitted this himself. ADs are understandibly skittish about hiring a guy who quit his last D1 job after only one season.
--he subjected himself to hundreds of thousands of dollars in possible buyout costs because he never bothered to actually challenge UNO on any of the alleged contract breaches--he simply quit before bringing forth any legal challenge.

Its hard to accept that there isn't some relationship between him and Crean--nobody makes the types of moves with the size of the risks that Buzz did without having a very strong relationship with the guy hiring him.

If Buzz were out of work, yeah, fine, you could argue he took the job out of convenience and didn't hold Crean in high regard.  But Buzz wasn't out of work--he had a multi-year contract with an outstanding first recruiting class.

And then one has to consider which of his assistants did Crean recommend to MU as his replacement.  Not Buckely.  Not Seltzer.

Is that "proof"?  No.  But its at least a common sense basis that they still speak. At one point Buzz felt strongly enough about Crean that he took a huge career risk to work for him, and subsequently Crean recommended him to MU for the open head coaching job.  That doesnt' sound like the actions of two parties disinterested in one another.

[bilsu]

TAMU stated that Buzz has "stated many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and that they share a close friendship". The fact is he hasn't said that once, let alone many times.

Buzz works very hard on relationships. I do not remember the number but he writes several letters a month to other coaches.

[Pakuni]

TAMU stated that Buzz has "stated many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and that they share a close friendship". The fact is he hasn't said that once, let alone many times.

You know everything Buzz has ever said?
And .... who cares? Why is important to you that Buzz not be friendly with Crean? Would that force you to reconsider your view of Crean? Of Buzz? Why would anyone care either way? Maybe they despise one another. Why does it matter?

[Aughnanure]

Is this the dumbest Crean/Buzz tangent ever?

Seriously, we're arguing if they still talk? Can we just make "Crean" a curse word that gets auto-blocked like....unnatural carnal knowledge.

[GooooMarquette]

Is this the dumbest Crean/Buzz tangent ever?

Yes.

[connie]

Is this the dumbest Crean/Buzz tangent ever?

Seriously, we're arguing if they still talk? Can we just make "Crean" a curse word that gets auto-blocked like....unnatural carnal knowledge.

Yes.  Can we go back to the "demise of scoop thread?"

[Lennys Tap]

You know everything Buzz has ever said?
And .... who cares? Why is important to you that Buzz not be friendly with Crean? Would that force you to reconsider your view of Crean? Of Buzz? Why would anyone care either way? Maybe they despise one another. Why does it matter?

It's not "important to me that Buzz not be friendly with Crean", but when TAMU or anyone else claims as fact information that isn't true about an MU coach, player, etc. chances are he'll get called on it. Sorry if his misstatement doesn't rise to a level fit for calling out on your personal importance-o-meter. From here on out I'll run everything by you before posting.

[keefe]

TC also maintains a close relationship with Dick Strong--like a father-son. TC was afraid to speak with Strong when he was taking the II, II job because he knew Strong would convince him to stay.

Funny how you never hear about how Crean has befriended the janitor or paid the school fees of the admin assistant's child. But have some celebrity, personal wealth, or political power and Tanned Tommy's on you like stink on sh1t. What a self-serving jackass.

[Skatastrophy]

I bet Crean stops talking to Buzz over our illegal recruitment of Luke Fischer.

/gasOnTheFire

[Pakuni]

It's not "important to me that Buzz not be friendly with Crean", but when TAMU or anyone else claims as fact information that isn't true about an MU coach, player, etc. chances are he'll get called on it. Sorry if his misstatement doesn't rise to a level fit for calling out on your personal importance-o-meter. From here on out I'll run everything by you before posting.

That's long overdue.

[keefe]

"coach Crean"

Well played, Mr. Bernstein.

[keefe]

There is one person over his career for whom Buzz took a demotion to work for: Tom Crean.

Every other move--from student asssistant at Navarro to head coach at UNO was an upward move.

And please don't even claim UNO's slow post-Katrina recovery as justification--it was neither so bad that Buzz couldn't have worked with the situation for another year (and received major props in coaching circles for fighting for his players in a very challenging situation), nor was Marquette the employer of last resort and his only option.

And in making this move, Buzz took two major risks
--he would probably not get another shot at a D1 head coaching job (short of promotion) for the foreseeable future. And Buzz has admitted this himself. ADs are understandibly skittish about hiring a guy who quit his last D1 job after only one season.
--he subjected himself to hundreds of thousands of dollars in possible buyout costs because he never bothered to actually challenge UNO on any of the alleged contract breaches--he simply quit before bringing forth any legal challenge.

Its hard to accept that there isn't some relationship between him and Crean--nobody makes the types of moves with the size of the risks that Buzz did without having a very strong relationship with the guy hiring him.

If Buzz were out of work, yeah, fine, you could argue he took the job out of convenience and didn't hold Crean in high regard.  But Buzz wasn't out of work--he had a multi-year contract with an outstanding first recruiting class.

And then one has to consider which of his assistants did Crean recommend to MU as his replacement.  Not Buckely.  Not Seltzer.

Is that "proof"?  No.  But its at least a common sense basis that they still speak. At one point Buzz felt strongly enough about Crean that he took a huge career risk to work for him, and subsequently Crean recommended him to MU for the open head coaching job.  That doesnt' sound like the actions of two parties disinterested in one another.

Joani tells it like it is!

[Dawson Rental]

There is one person over his career for whom Buzz took a demotion to work for: Tom Crean.

Every other move--from student asssistant at Navarro to head coach at UNO was an upward move.

And please don't even claim UNO's slow post-Katrina recovery as justification--it was neither so bad that Buzz couldn't have worked with the situation for another year (and received major props in coaching circles for fighting for his players in a very challenging situation), nor was Marquette the employer of last resort and his only option.

And in making this move, Buzz took two major risks
--he would probably not get another shot at a D1 head coaching job (short of promotion) for the foreseeable future. And Buzz has admitted this himself. ADs are understandibly skittish about hiring a guy who quit his last D1 job after only one season.
--he subjected himself to hundreds of thousands of dollars in possible buyout costs because he never bothered to actually challenge UNO on any of the alleged contract breaches--he simply quit before bringing forth any legal challenge.

Its hard to accept that there isn't some relationship between him and Crean--nobody makes the types of moves with the size of the risks that Buzz did without having a very strong relationship with the guy hiring him.

If Buzz were out of work, yeah, fine, you could argue he took the job out of convenience and didn't hold Crean in high regard.  But Buzz wasn't out of work--he had a multi-year contract with an outstanding first recruiting class.

And then one has to consider which of his assistants did Crean recommend to MU as his replacement.  Not Buckely.  Not Seltzer.

Is that "proof"?  No.  But its at least a common sense basis that they still speak. At one point Buzz felt strongly enough about Crean that he took a huge career risk to work for him, and subsequently Crean recommended him to MU for the open head coaching job.  That doesnt' sound like the actions of two parties disinterested in one another.

You are truly delusional.  Yes, Buzz did not quit his first head coaching job to become an assistant for Tom Crean.  The proof is the risk factors that you yourself point out that such a moronic decision would entail.  Nor is Buzz the kind of person to walk away from a commitment like he had accepted at UNO without seeing that he had been misled regarding the University's commitment to the program.  In your universe, Buzz is the kind of man to coach kids for a year, recruit kids to come into his program and then leaves them high and dry for the opportunity to trash his reputation, walk away from his dream since he starting coaching (leading his own Division I program), take a pay cut, move his family to a part of the country unknown to him, all for the wonderment of being an assistant to Tom Crean.  I suppose in the Equalizer universe, Crean already knew that Sampson would be fired and that 4I's would hire him as the next coach.  Evidently, he also knew that Buzz would be willing to quit UNO in order to get the MU job a year down the road, so he called Buzz to set the whole plot in motion.