Ripples from Fischer coming to MU

[Norm]

Why is Jeff Goodman the arbiter of the Crean and Buzz relationship? How would he know what their relationship is? Are Buzz and Goodman on speed dial on their iphones? Do they text everyday? Is Goodman Buzz's spokesman now? Or is he just a reporter that Buzz sometimes talks to?

[Freeport Warrior]

TC didn't steer Luke MU's way.  Buzz knew the Fischers when he was recruiting Luke.  I'm sure TC said some nice things about MU, but this is about 99% on Buzz and about 1% on TC...and I am being generous to TC.

And while I am sure they are cordial with one another and absolutely have no reason to have a poor relationship, I have heard from others that they aren't close.  (And no keefe, Buzz isn't "putting some distance" between him and TC.  If you worked with a guy you barely knew for a year, you probably wouldn't have much of a relationship with them a few years later either.)

I don't know if this is completely accurate. My media buddy says that Buzz and Crean are pretty friendly and that Crean wasn't happy about the transfer, but "it made his day" that he got a) he got stick it to Bo by not going to WI and b)  he got to stick it to Bo again when he chose MU. I don't know what role Crean played, but from all that I'm hearing, Luke thought WI might be a possibility (and his first choice) and it was clearly was not.  He is buddies with Showalter, Koenig and Dekker, so it makes sense. The press release, "out of respect for Coach Crean . . ." was laughable. There is a story on the whole thing which is yet to come out.

[KenoshaWarrior]

This whole stupid thread.

About right!

[Lennys Tap]

Why is Jeff Goodman the arbiter of the Crean and Buzz relationship? How would he know what their relationship is? Are Buzz and Goodman on speed dial on their iphones? Do they text everyday? Is Goodman Buzz's spokesman now? Or is he just a reporter that Buzz sometimes talks to?

Because people on Scoop who follow college basketball would accept him as such. They are close enough that everyone from Chicos to Ners acknowledges that when Jeff Goodman speaks about Buzz it's as good as Buzz speaking about Buzz. If you prefer a source who's never met either BW or TC but thinks he remembers other guys who have never met them either saying something about it 5 years ago by all means go ahead.

[mu-rara]

Minute per minute, Juan gets more points, rebounds, assists and steals as a junior than Trent did as a senior....

Not arguing with your statement but stats were never what made Trent valuable.  He did all the little things, like cut off the opponents trailer on the break.  What he did won ball games.  Astute basketball minds point these plays out. (I am not an astute basketball mind, but I know a couple)

Let's face it.  Juan is not very likely to be a 15 7 guy as a senior.  He has all the makings of a great glue guy.

[GGGG]

I don't know if this is completely accurate. My media buddy says that Buzz and Crean are pretty friendly and that Crean wasn't happy about the transfer, but "it made his day" that he got a) he got stick it to Bo by not going to WI and b)  he got to stick it to Bo again when he chose MU. I don't know what role Crean played, but from all that I'm hearing, Luke thought WI might be a possibility (and his first choice) and it was clearly was not.  He is buddies with Showalter, Koenig and Dekker, so it makes sense. The press release, "out of respect for Coach Crean . . ." was laughable. There is a story on the whole thing which is yet to come out.

I don't think what you are saying is necessarily different from what I am saying.  Being "pretty friendly" means different things to different people.  I have heard from others that they don't communicate all that often, but that doesn't mean that they aren't friendly when they do.

But *I think* the main reason that Luke didn't go to UW was because he would have lost a year of eligibility under B10 rules.  (He would have only had 1.5 left then.)  So I am not sure that TC "stuck it to Bo" as much as TC benefited from circumstances that made it difficult for Luke to get to UW.

[CTWarrior]

He will get 2.5 years unless he gets some sort of waiver from the NCAA, which is highly unlikely.

If McKay hadn't transferred, would we have been able to pick him up?  I assume he is using our 13th scholarship for the spring 2014 semester.

Also, if he decided to sit out all of next season, would he then be eligible for 3 years at MU?  Not that I'd want or expect him to do that, just curious.

[GGGG]

If McKay hadn't transferred, would we have been able to pick him up?  I assume he is using our 13th scholarship for the spring 2014 semester.

My understanding is that he is paying his own way for this semester.  Once MU used the scholarship for McKay...even if it is for one semester...it is gone for the year.  (And to be honest, that's a good thing.  You don't want coaches running off players mid-year if a big time transfer wants to come.)

Also, if he decided to sit out all of next season, would he then be eligible for 3 years at MU?  Not that I'd want or expect him to do that, just curious.

Yes, but I am not sure he could be on scholarship, or even on the roster, for this semester then.  Jaybee probably knows better than I do.

[Tugg Speedman]

It wouldn't so much upset me as it would surprise me. But why are you trying to make this about me?

You made something up out of whole cloth - "Buzz has said many times that they talk all the time, almost every day, and (he) considers TC a close friend".

Your unequivocal and declarative statement didn't ring true to me. As a fan of MU and Buzz I'm interested in what he has to say and I didn't recall Buzz saying any such thing even once, let alone many times.

You respond vaguely about an old Scoop thread. Another poster weighs in, saying that Buzz and TC were close before Buzz even arrived at MU - otherwise Buzz never would have come here. That also is at odds with my recollection, so I email Jeff Goodman of ESPN.

He confirms that Buzz barely knew TC when he came to Marquette and that they are not close even today.

You backtrack, now stating "I seem to recall Buzz saying that they talked regularly on the phone" 5 or 6 years ago. "That is all".

Well, that is not all - it's very different. Your original statement carried no "seem" or "recall". It was stated as fact. It turns out it's fiction, a fiction that you and others seem vested in. Why?

Lenny, you have to get control of yourself.  It's ok if Buzz and TC are friendly, and it's ok if they are not.  I remember what I remember and Goodman's opinion does nothing to change it.

It's incredible you contacted Goodman over this ... Not something important like the status of STj, or Duane, or why Mayo doesn't start, or recruiting.  No, you got so agitated about the possibly that Buzz and TC are friends you took it upon yourself to contact Goodman over this issue, unbelievable!!

I should repost this in the decline and fall of MU scoop as this is yet another good example at how this board provides little information and concerns itself with unimportant stuff.

[Norm]

Because people on Scoop who follow college basketball would accept him as such. They are close enough that everyone from Chicos to Ners acknowledges that when Jeff Goodman speaks about Buzz it's as good as Buzz speaking about Buzz. If you prefer a source who's never met either BW or TC but thinks he remembers other guys who have never met them either saying something about it 5 years ago by all means go ahead.

No, I just think its funny that Goodman is considered "as good as Buzz speaking about Buzz." He's a sportswriter, who is right some of the time and wrong some of the time.

[keefe]

concerns itself with unimportant stuff.

Not sure this is a valid conclusion.





"So, let me get this straight. What you are saying, Jeff, is that Buzz and Crean rarely speak and have virtually no personal relationship? Let me ask about the impact this will have on our military operations in Afghanistan and would a détente between these two coaches improve the access of common Americans to affordable health care?"

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

But either way, you, Heisenberg, Equalizer and others have imagined a relationship that according to Buzz's closest confidant in the media never existed. What's the source of your facts/opinion?

Personally, my source is a personal friend of both Buzz and TC. I haven't talked to said friend about the two coaches for awhile now, so it is possible my information is dated. But I do know when TC first left, Buzz and him still had a great relationship. I also know that TC has never harbored any sort of ill will towards Marquette.

Of course, its possible that these things were said just for the sake of good PR.

[mr.MUskie]

My understanding is that he is paying his own way for this semester. 

Is there any reason MU couldn't give him a schollie this semester for academics or just for being a good guy?

[Lennys Tap]

Lenny, you have to get control of yourself.  It's ok if Buzz and TC are friendly, and it's ok if they are not.  I remember what I remember and Goodman's opinion does nothing to change it.

It's incredible you contacted Goodman over this ... Not something important like the status of STj, or Duane, or why Mayo doesn't start, or recruiting.  No, you got so agitated about the possibly that Buzz and TC are friends you took it upon yourself to contact Goodman over this issue, unbelievable!!

I should repost this in the decline and fall of MU scoop as this is yet another good example at how this board provides little information and concerns itself with unimportant stuff.

My goodness, Heisenberg, you really must get control over yourself. It's okay if Buzz and TC are extremely close friends who are in communication nearly daily (as you submitted as fact) and it's okay if that is total made up BS (as it is).

But here's the thing. YOU are the one who decided that this extremely tight relationship was important enough to share with Scoop in the first place, not me. I merely asked you for a source because my memory was at odds with yours. When you got fuzzy and vague, I asked a guy who would know. Sorry the facts he shared don't mesh with your recollections. I guess that makes the issue that you brought up suddenly not important enough for discussion. How convenient.

[Lennys Tap]

Personally, my source is a personal friend of both Buzz and TC. I haven't talked to said friend about the two coaches for awhile now, so it is possible my information is dated. But I do know when TC first left, Buzz and him still had a great relationship. I also know that TC has never harbored any sort of ill will towards Marquette.

Of course, its possible that these things were said just for the sake of good PR.

TAMU, I really have no argument with you as I think a "great relationship" can, as you point out, run the gamut from personal friendship to good PR. My complaint is with those who characterize it as something that it demonstrably isn't.

[We R Final Four]

I also know that TC has never harbored any sort of ill will towards Marquette.

Why the hell would TC potentially harbor ill will towards MU? 

I can certainly understand why MU and their fans would harbor ill will against TC--he is the one who left under the cover of nightfall, not us.

[GGGG]

Is there any reason MU couldn't give him a schollie this semester for academics or just for being a good guy?

Yes, but they would have to be careful.  They can give him a financial aid / academic scholarship package, but they would have to make sure it is consistent with what they give "general" students in similar financial and academic circumstances.  If the NCAA audits it, and finds otherwise, MU could get into trouble.

EDIT:  And such audits are more common than you may think.  In fact, they *may* have to provide certain data to the NCAA for every non-scholarship player on their roster already. 

[jesmu84]

I don't know if this is completely accurate. My media buddy says that Buzz and Crean are pretty friendly and that Crean wasn't happy about the transfer, but "it made his day" that he got a) he got stick it to Bo by not going to WI and b)  he got to stick it to Bo again when he chose MU. I don't know what role Crean played, but from all that I'm hearing, Luke thought WI might be a possibility (and his first choice) and it was clearly was not.  He is buddies with Showalter, Koenig and Dekker, so it makes sense. The press release, "out of respect for Coach Crean . . ." was laughable. There is a story on the whole thing which is yet to come out.

Can you not just give us the gist of the story?

[keefe]

Can you not just give us the gist of the story?

Hear, hear! I would love to hear the details of that story!

[Freeport Warrior]

Can you not just give us the gist of the story?

Sorry if I didn't make it clear -- I'm told there is a story, I just don't know it yet.

[Tugg Speedman]

My goodness, Heisenberg, you really must get control over yourself. It's okay if Buzz and TC are extremely close friends who are in communication nearly daily (as you submitted as fact) and it's okay if that is total made up BS (as it is).

But here's the thing. YOU are the one who decided that this extremely tight relationship was important enough to share with Scoop in the first place, not me. I merely asked you for a source because my memory was at odds with yours. When you got fuzzy and vague, I asked a guy who would know. Sorry the facts he shared don't mesh with your recollections. I guess that makes the issue that you brought up suddenly not important enough for discussion. How convenient.

Lenny,

Why don't you and you BFF goodman read these posts, after all you wanted links ...

Are Buzz and Crean "Boys"
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9202.0

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9146.0
Williams told Dennis Krause that he still speaks to Crean every single day.

[4everwarriors]

TC also maintains a close relationship with Dick Strong--like a father-son. TC was afraid to speak with Strong when he was taking the II, II job because he knew Strong would convince him to stay.

Nothin' good goes down when sons don't communicate with fathers, a'ina?

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Lenny,

Why don't you and you BFF goodman read these posts, after all you wanted links ...

Are Buzz and Crean "Boys"
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9202.0

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9146.0
Williams told Dennis Krause that he still speaks to Crean every single day.

That was a month after he was hired for chrissakes. He probably needed security codes, names of freaking people, etc.

Know how I know they're not friends? Crean has no friends. He's a pariah...a douche bag...A social climbing, phony ass turd.

Buzz is none of those things.

[chapman]

That was a month after he was hired for chrissakes. He probably needed security codes, names of freaking people, etc.

I'm still on the exact same terms I was on with everyone 5 1/2 years ago.

[Spotcheck Billy]

I'm still on the exact same terms I was on with everyone 5 1/2 years ago.

same here, everyone still thinks I'm an a@@