Buzz needs to sit Derrick Wilson

[keefe]

FWIW, I have been on the 'time-to-start-Todd-Mayo' kick for a year now.   I think it is time to start him at SG and bring Jake off of the bench.   But I don't like seeing JT slagged. 

I agree that Mayo should be starting. And Thomas deserves our respect. Save for the couple ex Warriors who post here Jake Thomas would kick all of our a$$es on a basketball court.

[Eldon]

I agree that Mayo should be starting. And Thomas deserves our respect. Save for the couple ex Warriors who post here Jake Thomas would kick all of our a$$es on a basketball court.

Indeed.  I once played with this guy at the Y who played for North Dakota State (or just North Dakota, can't remember), and it was insane.  Even this Serbian kid who was always dominant in pick up games there was getting schooled.  And ND State is a low-major DI school.  I can't imagine the gap between guys like us and Jake Thomas.

Anyway, can we please stop the DWilson bashing?  There are so many threads on it that it is becoming annoying.  I would almost welcome a Crean-bashing thread at this point.

[willie warrior]

Indeed.  I once played with this guy at the Y who played for North Dakota State (or just North Dakota, can't remember), and it was insane.  Even this Serbian kid who was always dominant in pick up games there was getting schooled.  And ND State is a low-major DI school.  I can't imagine the gap between guys like us and Jake Thomas.

Anyway, can we please stop the DWilson bashing?  There are so many threads on it that it is becoming annoying.  I would almost welcome a Crean-bashing thread at this point.

OK, here goes: Crean is a self promoting prima donna,

[chapman]

OK, here goes: Crean is a self promoting prima donna,

And a creepy Tweeting, son Frenching, soccer stadium donation oathbreaker!

[Nevada233]

Derrick will start every game (barring injury) and MU will make the tournament.

If you disagree, let's make it interesting.

(this invitation is open to anybody).

Exactly Derrick at point Guard is a .500 team headed to the NIT at best.
He cant shoot the 1,2 or 3 Pointer to a rate that even requires a defender. Does not even create for other players and the pain is packed with his defender and ox or otules defender because The sag off him so much. Its insane the kid plays over 35 minutes a game and hasnt made a shot from further than 2 Feet from the basket. Even Dawson hit a 3 Pointer and is a threat to make them.
His defense isnt so world renoun either he got torched by Carson of ASU and got 29 from Thames in the Wooden Championship. Him and Jake Thomas need to be back ups. There is no team worth talking about that Marquette is going to beat this year with this back court. Id honestly let Duane, JJJ or Dawson have the Back Court let them go
Thru the bumps and burises and grow together because the guys getting 30 plus minutes
A night have us at 5-4 and were not playing grambling again.....

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Exactly Derrick at point Guard is a .500 team headed to the NIT at best.
He cant shoot the 1,2 or 3 Pointer to a rate that even requires a defender. Does not even create for other players and the pain is packed with his defender and ox or otules defender because The sag off him so much. Its insane the kid plays over 35 minutes a game and hasnt made a shot from further than 2 Feet from the basket. Even Dawson hit a 3 Pointer and is a threat to make them.
His defense isnt so world renoun either he got torched by Carson of ASU and got 29 from Thames in the Wooden Championship. Him and Jake Thomas need to be back ups. There is no team worth talking about that Marquette is going to beat this year with this back court. Id honestly let Duane, JJJ or Dawson have the Back Court let them go
Thru the bumps and burises and grow together because the guys getting 30 plus minutes
A night have us at 5-4 and were not playing grambling again.....

Soooo, you want to make a bet?

I'm talking NCAA tournament.

Derrick will start every game (barring injury) and they will make the NCAA tournament.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Well the moratorium sure lasted long....

[BallBoy]

Actually Buzz runs a MUCH tighter ship than most coaches, and Mayos transgressions at a lot of programs wouldn't even be much cause for drama - as far as getting ruled academically ineligible, being late for ONE practice in 2.5 years, and having to sit out 1/2 of a game at WVU with 3 other teammates who did the same thing. These aren't felonies and to suggest Mayo likely wouldn't still be around at other programs is totally ludicrous. Aki was trying to get him to Memphis and I can promise if Todd decided to transfer there would be plenty of schools seeking his services. This whole narrative of Todd being such a bad kid/teammate is totally overblown by our overly self righteous.

And you know for a fact that Mayo has never been late for practice and Buzz suspended him for his first miss.  Doubt it and it isn't logical.  It is more likely that Mayo has been late for multiple practices or this was just the third strike. 

[Nevada233]

Soooo, you want to make a bet?

I'm talking NCAA tournament.

Derrick will start every game (barring injury) and they will make the NCAA tournament.

No way. No bet. No one will start over de wilson.

[NavinRJohnson]

No way. No bet. No one will start over de wilson.

But in your odd basketball world, that means they would go to the NIT and you would win the bet.

Way to go genius.

[Nevada233]

But in your odd basketball world, that means they would go to the NIT and you would win the bet.

Way to go genius.

Just as smart as you are for thinking hes a superstar. 

[NavinRJohnson]

Just as smart as you are for thinking hes a superstar. 

More brilliance. Well done. Take the next week if you need it, and find where I have said anything even approaching that. In fact see if you can find anywhere I've said much of anything at all about him. It's a good try though.

[Nevada233]

More brilliance. Well done. Take the next week if you need it, and find where I have said anything even approaching that. In fact see if you can find anywhere I've said much of anything at all about him. It's a good try though.

Theres no need to get bent outta shape were fans of the same team. I honestly admire everyones compassion and opinions. Good game today enjoy. Go warriors.

[NavinRJohnson]

Can we put this Dawson stuff to bed? He has struggled to do anything against IUPUI, and people want him playing ahead of De Wilson against the likes of Wisconsin? Anyone find it the least bit interesting that Jamil runs the point when Dawson is in the game?

[jesmu84]

Can we put this Dawson stuff to bed? He has struggled to do anything against IUPUI, and people want him playing ahead of De Wilson against the likes of Wisconsin? Anyone find it the least bit interesting that Jamil runs the point when Dawson is in the game?

But you're forgetting numerous things:

1. Dawson was SO GOOD against grambling.
2. Dawson makes those "wow" passes that De Wil doesn't attempt.
3. Dawson isn't being given 30 min/game he needs to show he's better.

[brandx]

But you're forgetting numerous things:

1. Dawson was SO GOOD against grambling.
2. Dawson makes those "wow" passes that De Wil doesn't attempt.
3. Dawson isn't being given 30 min/game he needs to show he's better.

Unless Duane has an impact, we will need Derrick. Team is much more offensive minded and efficient with Jamil at point and maybe even better defensively (as a team) because of his length.

But it will be interesting when we face quick guards who know how to press. I think Derrick will probably need to be on the floor then.

[PGsHeroes32]

Can we put this Dawson stuff to bed? He has struggled to do anything against IUPUI, and people want him playing ahead of De Wilson against the likes of Wisconsin? Anyone find it the least bit interesting that Jamil runs the point when Dawson is in the game?

First, Derrick should start and play very nice minutes until Duane proves something(if anything at all, we don't know yet) but you say that you are not calling Derrick great. Maybe not, but you do defend him and awful lot.

Jamil did not run the point with Dawson today. Dawson played off the ball vs Wisco that's it.

Dawson is GREAT at the entry feeds to guys like Davante.

Derrick is awful at setting our bigs up.

That said, right now that is Dawson's only really advantage. Derrick should play over him. But with derricks passing style and playing him with guys who can't their shots...we are fu cked

Derrick with Deonte jamil Ox Todd and some Juan too. Can be VERY good.

[NavinRJohnson]

First, Derrick should start and play very nice minutes until Duane proves something(if anything at all, we don't know yet) but you say that you are not calling Derrick great. Maybe not, but you do defend him and awful lot.

You must have me confused with someone else. I don't recall commenting on him much one way or the other.

Jamil did not run the point with Dawson today. Dawson played off the ball vs Wisco that's it.

Cleraly you watched a different game.

[GGGG]

Jamil and Dawson shared the duties when they were both in.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Jamil did not run the point with Dawson today. Dawson played off the ball vs Wisco that's it.

Dawson is GREAT at the entry feeds to guys like Davante.

Dawson started with the point. Then he had an awful TO on his first trip down the court. He was switched to 2 guard and Jamil ran the point for the rest of the time. It wasn't until Buzz started sitting Jamil that Dawson took over the point again.

Dawson did have one great entry pass to Davante. Small sample size there. But I like the potential. I hope he can develop into a solid backup pg

[raul]

Jamil at point is a great option , Buzz always gets the most from his option of players. Think Magic Johnson (6'9" at point). As far as Dawson he is a nice backup but I don't see him being a floor leader as a frosh.

[WayOfTheWarrior]

I haven't read all of the previous posts but I would like to get my thoughts in.

I think it might be a little extreme to say we will miss the tournament because Derrick plays too many minutes. There are a lot more factors that need to go into a prediction like that. Remember, without his defensive contributions last year, we would not have made it to the elite 8.

As far as Derrick being offensively useless, I would say he has definitely improved from past years. 4 assists per game this year leads the team, that's at least 8 points. He has driven to the basket with some success as well. I am perfectly fine with him being a facilitator who takes care of the ball and does not take jump shots.

Of course, he is a defense first type of player, there's no denying it, and I'd like to see John, Duane, and Jamil get a bigger dose of minutes at the point as the season progresses.

[CTWarrior]

I am perfectly fine with him being a facilitator who takes care of the ball and does not take jump shots.

One of Dawson's assists yesterday illustrates the main problem with Derrick Wilson.  At one point Dawson caught the ball on the wing and the defender doubling on Gardner flew out to guard Dawson, who threw a simple entry pass back to Gardner for the easy one on one bucket.  That's a pass Derrick Wilson can't make because no defender is going to fly out to guard him when he has the ball at the 3 point line.

That said, I still think Derrick should start, but I like how he was used yesterday, with lesser minutes and other players rotating through to give us multiple looks.

[PGsHeroes32]

Dawson started with the point. Then he had an awful TO on his first trip down the court. He was switched to 2 guard and Jamil ran the point for the rest of the time. It wasn't until Buzz started sitting Jamil that Dawson took over the point again.

Dawson did have one great entry pass to Davante. Small sample size there. But I like the potential. I hope he can develop into a solid backup pg

No he didn't switch. After that bucket he was still the guy who brought it up. Just because he passed it to jamil at the top and jamil swung it to him before feeding OX

Doesn't mean Jamil was running the show.

[NavinRJohnson]

No he didn't switch. After that bucket he was still the guy who brought it up. Just because he passed it to jamil at the top and jamil swung it to him before feeding OX

Doesn't mean Jamil was running the show.

Again, clearly you watched a different game. Seemingly one where you saw what you wanted to see. Jamil brought the ball up and 'ran the show' several sucsEssive trips while Dawson was in the game. It wasnt passed to him on top.