The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[MarquetteFan94]

If Buzz took a job like SMU it would make us look like complete idiots. Lose him to UCLA or Kansas outsiders could understand. You tell me what quality coach would come here if he left for SMU? He would not be leaving for money he would be leaving to get the hell out of town. It would be a PR nightmare...only positive for school would be most fans would believe story and become Buzz bashers.

Just to clarify.....it's Buzz that would look like the idiot.....not MU.  

[Aughnanure]

The President from Scranton and the AD from Portland, you mean.

Nope. Larry came from ND and Pilarz from GTown. Scranton and Portland were stops in between.

[warthog-driver]

enticing offer
a whisper can be louder
than the most shrill voice

[nyg]

If Buzz took a job like SMU it would make us look like complete idiots. Lose him to UCLA or Kansas outsiders could understand. You tell me what quality coach would come here if he left for SMU? He would not be leaving for money he would be leaving to get the hell out of town. It would be a PR nightmare...only positive for school would be most fans would believe story and become Buzz bashers.

It would be like Dixon leaving Pitt for Pepperdine because he is from California, or Wright leaving Nova for Manhattan because he is from NY.  If the IWB writeup is correct, all of us mentioning salary, money, etc. are off base. This appears to be a personal issue between Buzz and the AD.  

[TJ]

This is all so silly.  You should all stop letting the SMU visitors and Goose get to you.  Buzz will be coaching Marquette next year.  And even if he isn't - it's a problem, but it's not the end of the program.

[NersEllenson]

I would definitely say Larry Williams would have some of the blame.  Of course he wouldn't be responsible for all of the blame, but let's be honest here, Buzz Williams, not Larry Williams or Fr. Pillarz, is the face of Marquette University.  Larry Williams came in and within months is talking about how Buzz needs to change his ways or he will either kill himself or insult somebody beyond repair, and he does this in public, to a newspaper.  That is something you sit him down in your office and tell him.  It was a complete douche move.  Buzz apologized over and over and it should have been done at that, but then Larry decides he needs the limelight to bash Buzz and brings the issue back into focus.  This was a guy who danced due to an emotional win, not some guy who molested ball boys.  It should have been a non-issue after Buzz's apologies in the post game press conference, but Larry went ahead and blew it up.  It was dumb and he was trying to prove he has power above Buzz.  Buzz would be saying "Take this for power."

I don't remember Cottingham ever doing anything like that.  Buzz certainly danced against Louisville a couple years ago, and that was while the game was still going on and we were up twenty points.  Larry Williams reacted ridiculously to Buzz's dance.

Did this really happen??  The 2nd paragraph stuff I bolded?  If Larry Williams did in fact say that crap, and go overboard on the whole WVU thing - he needs to be fired/replaced immediately.  Period.  You don't come into a place and in 3 months call out your most valuable asset in your department.  Buzz never should have had to apologize for the dance period.  He was celebrating, having fun...national media picked up on it, a lot of people LOVED it..who cares if it offended 5% of the population?  Buzz is single handedly putting MU back on the national stage a la Al McGuire and we have some politically correct "suit" trying to corral what is far and away the most colorful, talented, asset we have as a university??  Please.

[Pakuni]

The President from Scranton and the AD from Portland, you mean.

And the head coach from the University of New Orleans.

This is a stupid argument. Pilarz and LW would have never been hired for their respective positions had they not bowed down at the altar of men's basketball. Allie McGuire and Doc Rivers were on the search committee that hired Williams. Do you think they went after a guy who didn't understand the significance of men's hoops at MU?

Whether those guys do a good job for/with the program is another matter, but it's assinine to suggest they don't recognize its importance.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Why?  If someone offered you a 30% raise and you didn't particularly like your boss, you wouldn't listen?  I know people question how athletes/coaches can be influenced by money when they're set for life whether their contract says $2 million a year or $2.6 million a year, but what if your salary is currently $75,000 and you were offered $90,000 and a boss who you can get along with a lot better and work with better?  Are you being selfish, or doing what is best for you?

I know what you are saying, I guess my gut reaction feels like it's selfish.

A bigger/better program is a promotion. I get it.

A lesser job for more $ and more power seems hypocritical to what he has been preaching.

Again, this is just my gut reaction. I see your point, I don't really have a good counter for it.

[Goose]

Right on Ners. Buzz has put us on the map. He apologizing over and over again for the dance was crazy. He had a blast and put us under a spotlight by having fun. it is the PC crowd that freaks when someone is different. Al freaked me out and Buzz is freaking them out. On national scale Buzx has become a star and our AD and President want to throw wet blanket over him. I say stoke the fire and enjoy the ride.

[muguru]

This is all so silly.  You should all stop letting the SMU visitors and Goose get to you.  Buzz will be coaching Marquette next year.  And even if he isn't - it's a problem, but it's not the end of the program.

It's not?? When all the current players leave, and the incoming recruits ask out, and the AD hires a Coach at a lessor salary because he believes MU can never be Elite in hoop so why pay for something you will never get?? Will you be happy with being SLU?? Because that's what the vision is for the admin.

[warthog-driver]

the urge to depart
turbulent waters run deep
good men left behind

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

It's not?? When all the current players leave, and the incoming recruits ask out, and the AD hires a Coach at a lessor salary because he believes MU can never be Elite in hoop so why pay for something you will never get?? Will you be happy with being SLU?? Because that's what the vision is for the admin.

WHAT? How do we know that?

MU wants to be SLU?

When did this happen?

[warthog-driver]

al's fat disciple
eccentric but talented
feces on towel

[Goose]

Muguru...I am not the guy reporting Buzz is talking to SMU. It is amazing how many on hear only want to hear MU stroke off comments. Funny thing is I would say my opinion of Buzz and his program is off the charts positive.

[🏀]

So in the unlikely sceario that Buzz leaves, who is at the top of our list?

Bennett? Jeter? McCaffrey? Wardle? Aki Collins????

No need for this discussion.

[muguru]

Muguru...I am not the guy reporting Buzz is talking to SMU. It is amazing how many on hear only want to hear MU stroke off comments. Funny thing is I would say my opinion of Buzz and his program is off the charts positive.

Oh, i know you aren't Goose. I'm sorry if you felt like I was implying you were.

[GGGG]

Right on Ners. Buzz has put us on the map.

Buzz has not "put us on the map."  He didn't take us to our last final four.  He wasn't around when we got invited to the BE.  MU basketball was around before Buzz, it will be around after Buzz.

[wadesworld]

Did this really happen??  The 2nd paragraph stuff I bolded?  If Larry Williams did in fact say that crap, and go overboard on the whole WVU thing - he needs to be fired/replaced immediately.  Period.  You don't come into a place and in 3 months call out your most valuable asset in your department.  Buzz never should have had to apologize for the dance period.  He was celebrating, having fun...national media picked up on it, a lot of people LOVED it..who cares if it offended 5% of the population?  Buzz is single handedly putting MU back on the national stage a la Al McGuire and we have some politically correct "suit" trying to corral what is far and away the most colorful, talented, asset we have as a university??  Please.

I agree completely.  Here is the article I am referring to:

http://m.jsonline.com/more/sports/goldeneagles/141323703.htm

The interesting part to me is:

"I want to hammer out a plan on what we are going to do and what we are not going to do," Williams said.

But as the Golden Eagles start looking ahead to the NCAA men's basketball tournament, Williams already has decided one thing.

"I expect Buzz back. Want him back," Williams said. "I think we started something good with him. . . . I'd be excited to help him grow as a coach."

Last year, Buzz Williams signed a new contract with a rollover that reportedly pays him $2 million a year. Larry Williams did not disclose details of the deal but said Marquette has the coach under contract for multiple years.

Larry Williams, a former professional football player, likes his head coach's zeal for the game. But he was a little concerned when Williams did a little dance on the floor at West Virginia after his Golden Eagles defeated the Mountaineers recently. Buzz Williams quickly apologized.

"He's an emotional guy, passionate guy, but if you're going to have long-term success, you have to channel that and control that," the athletic director said. "He was happy as a clam to dance across the court, but he didn't think about offending somebody else.

"But that is his passion and exuberance. He is either going to explode because his tie is on too tight or he's going to offend somebody that is irrevocable."

I think this whole thing is interesting.  Why do you even have to say that you expect to have Buzz back?  Why even hint that it's possible he leaves when he's already at Marquette?  Then the bolded part is ridiculous.

[Goose]

Sultan....obviously you are comments have merit. Quick question, has TC put Indiana back on the map? You can fall off face of the earth quickly, look at UCLA. Buzz put a bigger light on the program, especially this season.

[GGGG]

Sultan....obviously you are comments have merit. Quick question, has TC put Indiana back on the map? You can fall off face of the earth quickly, look at UCLA. Buzz put a bigger light on the program, especially this season.

Right...they could fall off the map with the wrong hire.  However, when you have a solid foundation, you can get right back up with the right hire.  We aren't SLU.

[Clam Crowder]

Why did Larry even say that? Who the hell has he helped grow as a coach? An athletic director doesn't need to be heard. I don't like this self promotion

[TJ]

Sultan....obviously you are comments have merit. Quick question, has TC put Indiana back on the map? You can fall off face of the earth quickly, look at UCLA. Buzz put a bigger light on the program, especially this season.

UCLA has been to 3 of the last 7 Final Fours.  They're having a few down years, but I would hardly say they've fallen off the face of the earth.

[Pakuni]

I agree completely.  Here is the article I am referring to:

http://m.jsonline.com/more/sports/goldeneagles/141323703.htm

The interesting part to me is:

I think this whole thing is interesting.  Why do you even have to say that you expect to have Buzz back?  Why even hint that it's possible he leaves when he's already at Marquette?  Then the bolded part is ridiculous.

It's exceptionally unlikely that Buzz Williams is where is today if he were so fragile that those comments would deeply offend him, especially when those comments pretty much parrot everything Buzz said about the dance. Sheesh, the guy practically went on a national radio tour to apologize for the dance.

As for wanting him back, those comments aren't illustrative of anything without knowing the context in which thhey were made. If interviewer asks: "Do you want Buzz Williams back?" how else would you expect LW to answer?

Really, if Buzz would flee to a third-tier program like SMU because he's so hurt by those comments, it says far more about him than it does Larry Williams.

[wadesworld]

It's exceptionally unlikely that Buzz Williams is where is today if he were so fragile that those comments would deeply offend him, especially when those comments pretty much parrot everything Buzz said about the dance. Sheesh, the guy practically went on a national radio tour to apologize for the dance.

As for wanting him back, those comments aren't illustrative of anything without knowing the context in which thhey were made. If interviewer asks: "Do you want Buzz Williams back?" how else would you expect LW to answer?

Really, if Buzz would flee to a third-tier program like SMU because he's so hurt by those comments, it says far more about him than it does Larry Williams.

That is my point.  Buzz went out of his way to even overapologize for what he did.  It should have been done at that.  Then Larry has to go and give himself all this attention and bring it back into focus.  It was stupid and pointless.  If Buzz were to leave, my guess is this isn't the only "incident."  You say those things behind closed doors to Buzz alone.  You don't go to a local newspaper and say those things.

[Goose]

Pakini...if you or anyone else think the JS comments are what caused the hard feelings you are crazy. I have said on here for two months that Buzz was called on the carpet in private and he felt unjustly. The suspensions were either directive from school or Buzz making a point to rub his unhappiness into admin's face. Would add the comments from LW were foolish and did not help things.