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Title: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Aughnanure on March 20, 2012, 05:49:37 PM
Have fun reading this exercise in futility.


http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60597
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: damuts222 on March 20, 2012, 06:03:56 PM
OMG ::)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: chapman on March 20, 2012, 06:04:56 PM
DePaul needs a team it can beat up on.  After all these years of being the doormat, they've earned it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on March 20, 2012, 06:08:29 PM
You're right, it's cute.
I won't bring the Buzz to Illini thread to the top of the board again, so I'll make my comment here, but that idea/hope was getting some play on Chi radio this morning.  Mulley and Handley is the morning show on 670 and Brian Handley is an MU guy so they convo went to Buzz and how he'd be a great fit for the Illini.  They they proceeded to play a bunch of comments from his post game conference and compare his hoarse voice to Thibs. "The butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker" had them going.
The latest on Shocka was then that he is going to stay at VCU "unless something changes in the next 24 hrs". The reporter of that story implied that that change is a S. Smart ploy for more $.
I'm sure these aren't the only two places talking about Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: kryza on March 20, 2012, 06:08:56 PM
Why does everyone think that SMU has a huge athletic budget? Last I heard, they were 98 million in the red for the past decade. Does anyone know why their fans think they can outbid 2.6 mill a year? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spartan3186 on March 20, 2012, 06:10:57 PM
Ha, and I thought our fan base was delusional.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 20, 2012, 06:12:52 PM
Is everyone with an internet connection and electricity automatically an expert on Buzz Williams?  What happened to that nut at the Sun-times that said his "sources" said Buzz's buyout is only 100k and is going to the Illini?  How is that story working out?

Stop doing this.  Only post from people that have a fracking clue.

P.S.

The one thing that did make sense is at the very end ... Tony Benford to SMU.  That would be a good hire for them.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 20, 2012, 06:15:12 PM
Why does everyone think that SMU has a huge athletic budget? Last I heard, they were 98 million in the red for the past decade. Does anyone know why their fans think they can outbid 2.6 mill a year? Am I missing something?

Probably because of their endowment.  They are one of probably 50 schools in the country with an endowment over $1billion.  On a per student basis, that is north of $100K per student.  Very impressive.

Marquette ain't close to that level, about $400 million

http://www.marquette.edu/endowment/endowment-performance.shtml
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: kryza on March 20, 2012, 06:31:43 PM
Probably because of their endowment.  They are one of probably 50 schools in the country with an endowment over $1billion.  On a per student basis, that is north of $100K per student.  Very impressive.

Marquette ain't close to that level, about $400 million

http://www.marquette.edu/endowment/endowment-performance.shtml


I knew they had a very impressive endowment, but athletic budget's aren't directly related to endowment. A university can only use so much of their endowment each year, or otherwise it loses it's economic purpose. Harvard would be unstoppable with their endowment of $32 billion, if that were the case  ;D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 20, 2012, 06:32:34 PM
(http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0808/cocaine-g-mon-demotivational-poster-1219087027.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 20, 2012, 06:40:38 PM
Can anyone name a conference cellar dweller program with no legacy in hoops that hired a "big name".and it worked?

I don't see Tubby Smith at Minnesota or Oliver Purnell at Depaul. Tearing it up.

Hire a hot assistant like Benford and let him go to work.  That is how its done.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 20, 2012, 06:48:14 PM
Can anyone name a conference cellar dweller program with no legacy in hoops that hired a "big name".and it worked?

I don't see Tubby Smith at Minnesota or Oliver Purnell at Depaul. Tearing it up.

Hire a hot assistant like Benford and let him go to work.  That is how its done.

Couldn't agree more. Doug Collins is floating Chris Collins' name for the U of I job and the subject of Northwestern came up. Doug Collins, to his credit, wouldn't discuss NU because technically Carmody still has the job. Anyways, I thought about how getting the "next" guy instead of some re-tread is absolutely the way to go for a program in need of a coach.

All the current "hot names" were sitting on some other HC's bench a couple of years ago. Find them first. Thibs and the Bulls is a perfect example. 

Only exceptions I can think of are when the dominoes fell and Roy Williams went to UNC and Bill Self went to Kansas.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 20, 2012, 07:03:29 PM
(http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0808/cocaine-g-mon-demotivational-poster-1219087027.jpg)

After reading the SMU thread, your photo is way too kind.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 20, 2012, 07:58:37 PM
Dallas Morning News has an item about Buzz as a wishful candidate

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/new-names-surfacing-in-smu-coaching-sear.html

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUEng92 on March 20, 2012, 08:02:31 PM
All joking aside...SMU has a basketball team?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 20, 2012, 08:07:34 PM
The best part about that board is the concern that the DMN reporter having compromised some key insider in the organization.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 20, 2012, 08:15:56 PM
"It's SMU... It's SMU"

Seriously, though, is that reporter doing lines off of her laptop?  She could have just as easily said Roy Williams/Coach K/Bill Self and it would have been equally absurd.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 20, 2012, 08:59:40 PM
"It's SMU... It's SMU"

Seriously, though, is that reporter doing lines off of her laptop? 

She's not NOT licking toads!

http://www.youtube.com/v/3Xd9CnUK3jA&fs=1&source=uds
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Oldgym on March 20, 2012, 09:13:21 PM
All joking aside...SMU has a basketball team?

Boom :)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: muwarrior97 on March 20, 2012, 09:30:02 PM
Saw the SMU bball team in DFW baggage claim last year couple times....no charter so must be like a club team, get a young asst. and go to work
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 20, 2012, 09:33:43 PM
A billion dollar endowment and they fly commerical ... not a serious bball program.

It all about factilities and resources and SMU is screaming they are second rate.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 20, 2012, 10:43:08 PM

I knew they had a very impressive endowment, but athletic budget's aren't directly related to endowment. A university can only use so much of their endowment each year, or otherwise it loses it's economic purpose. Harvard would be unstoppable with their endowment of $32 billion, if that were the case  ;D

I know, but my supposition is their followers know there are vast amounts of $$$ in the school and probably think that means they can get anyone they want.  How much was June Jones paid for football? 

They will need to upgrade their basketball budgets in a big way to play in the Big East and I suspect that was agreed to by them upon their acceptance to the conference.  What they do today and what they spend in the coming years will be different.  Similar to how Marquette stepped up considerably in their expenditures.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 20, 2012, 11:42:37 PM
some funny tweets about Buzz to SMU:


SMU wants to interview Buzz Williams? I mean I get they should aim high but that is ridiculous.

Why should SMU have to settle for making a run at Buzz Williams? Phil Jackson isn't doing anything right now

SMU is targeting Buzz Williams to be its men's basketball coach. There is more of a chance of me coaching SMU next year than Buzz Williams.

So SMU will "make a run" at Buzz Williams. And I'll make a run at Kate Beckinsale.

SMU is looking at Buzz Williams? Odds of that happening are roughly the same as my odds of dunking a basketball. # zilch # shortwhiteguy

DMN says SMU will make a run at Marquette's Buzz Williams SMU must found way to turn empty seats into $$$

SMU wants to go after Buzz Williams? Why not Tom Izzo or Bill Self?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spartan3186 on March 21, 2012, 08:54:21 AM
I hear Marquette is alright with this move because Coach K wants to make a move to the Midwest.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 21, 2012, 08:56:41 AM
All joking aside...SMU has a basketball team?

"Probably the saddest thing you'll ever see is a mosquito sucking on a mummy. Forget it, little friend."

-Jack Handy
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU B2002 on March 21, 2012, 09:11:52 AM
some funny tweets about Buzz to SMU:



Twitter Tracker
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 21, 2012, 09:24:39 AM

Twitter Tracker

I like this one

Rubie Q ‏ @Rubie_Q
SOURCE: SMU to offer Buzz Williams $1MM annual salary, plus mystery box.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 21, 2012, 09:27:48 AM
Have fun reading this exercise in futility.


http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60597

It seems that two groups of candidates predominate:

  1. The hottest young coaches in the game, i. e. Buzz, Chris Mack of Xavier, and Shaka Smart, or

  2. Guys who couldn't hack it in their last job and got fired, i.e. Bruce Weber, Jeff Capel, and Doc Sadler.

I'm thinking its been a while since their last search.  On the positive side, they do have a fan's site with a discussion board.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 21, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
Why does everyone think that SMU has a huge athletic budget? Last I heard, they were 98 million in the red for the past decade. Does anyone know why their fans think they can outbid 2.6 mill a year? Am I missing something?

Yes. You are missing something.  The school's athletic department is not paying June Jones salary to coach the football team.  If we were to hire Williams (which we know is a remote chance), the athletic department will not pay his salary or buyout.  How is this possible? Rich Alums!

Before we hired Jones, a group of rich alums agreed to contribute X dollars to pay for Jones' entire contract.  I am not positive, but they are probably paying for his staff.

If we hired Williams or another big name coach, the same process will be used.

While it is a small chance we get Williams, you should know:
1) the money won't be a problem if the alums decide he is worth it. It just wont.
2) Williams is from the Dallas area.  Texans have a way of finding their way home. I can't wait to get back.
3) Our arena is not good. It is great. The reason it is not getting torn down is it has a seating design that is no longer legal under modern building codes.  Once the $50m update is complete, it will be spectacular.  If we ever need a bigger venue, the Americna Airlines Arena is 10 minutes from campus. 
4)  After wallowing in guilt over the Death Penalty (we deserved it) for years, SMU decided to become a great, National University.  In addition to a $1.4B endowment, the Rich Alums paid something like $750m to build new buildings and to refurbish the old ones.  In addition, we will have an enormous, new Presidential library on campus. 

If we do or do not get Williams, we wish Marquette well (despite some good natured jokes at your expense). 

Peace
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 21, 2012, 07:03:59 PM
oh crap, and a new Presidential library too, we are screwed....


an aside - you would think with all that money and a huge commitment to be a national player, you think could have possibly done a little better than June Jones?

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: chapman on March 21, 2012, 07:22:11 PM
You would think the rich alums could pay for a plane so the team didn't have to fly commercial.  I'm sure recruiting trips are also a treat.

We've seen this before with DePaul two years ago...claim they're going to pay what they need to attract a big name, get blasted as the coaching search becomes a big joke to everyone (already happening), settle for a guy on the hot seat at his current job, continue to stink. 

If SMU wants a realistic hire that could be good for them, Tony Benford's number is probably only a few digits different from Buzz's, and he deserves a head coaching shot.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 21, 2012, 08:25:58 PM
oh crap, and a new Presidential library too, we are screwed....


an aside - you would think with all that money and a huge commitment to be a national player, you think could have possibly done a little better than June Jones?



After we got the DP, our idiotic Administration decided to go off the deep end.  Instead of fixing the problems and clearing out the bad apples, they decided to impose academic restrictions on recruiting that were insane.  We had to turn away recruits for "academic" reasons that would go to schools like ND and Duke.  Because of those restrictions, we simply could not compete for good players.  Remember Larry Johnson? He wanted to stay in Dallas at SMU. We turned him away!!!  In football and basketball, our teams were simply not competitive and finding good coaches became impossible. Alums stopped giving money b/c we didn't believe the school wanted to field competitive teams.

Fixing the problem took time and money. Football was the first priority.  We built a new stadium on campus and overpaid for Jones.  As part of his deal, June Jones required the administration to allow him to sign recruits with normal academic transcripts.  It has been a huge success as it got us out of C-USA.  While Jones won't lead us to a national title, the football program is stable and getting better.

Part 2 of the rebuild was basketball.  Basketball is always 2nd fiddle at SMU.  Nevertheless, we built a great BB practice facility and hired Doherty (a huge mistake).  Doherty improved recruiting but couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.  Jf we spend $2m to hire a coach (Williams or others), it is a signal that BB will be a priority for the first time in 25 years.  If we need a charter plane, we will get one. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 21, 2012, 08:33:28 PM
good luck to you guys.  


Oklahoma didn't get Buzz so you have to forgive that I'm not really worried about SMU.  Ya never know though.  (specially if Pilarz and the domer are squeezing Buzz)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 21, 2012, 08:33:59 PM
Sorry SMU, the problem is...well...you're SMU. You aren't a destination job. You aren't a basketball power. Buzz didn't go to Oregon or Oklahoma, both of which have "rich alums" that make yours look like paupers. And he didn't go to Texas A&M, which not only has rich alums, it has a bigger athletic budget, a more rich basketball history, a better (current) conference, and oh...IT'S IN TEXAS TOO!!!

That's why we find this cute. Go for our assistants, they are realistic targets. Buzz didn't leave for jobs that are far bigger, far more successful, and far richer than yours. Maybe, maybe (at best) he'd leave for Texas. Not North Texas, not A&M, not Houston, but the actual Longhorns. And I highly doubt that, but maybe. Aside from UT, I think he might, MIGHT, listen to UCLA, UNC, Duke, Kansas, or Kentucky. That's it. That's the list. If you aren't one of those six jobs, don't even think about Buzz, because he ain't coming. Sorry, but SMU just isn't anywhere near that area code.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 21, 2012, 08:47:21 PM
very well said brew. and exactly correct.

i lived in texas for ten years and couldnt wait to get out btw. but this is how they think. they think that  the world revolves around everything texas. luckily the rest of the country doesnt share that view
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 21, 2012, 08:54:39 PM
This all reall dumb... No way in hell does he go to a school wiyhin his same conference.  In fact i would almost guarantee his conteact forbids it,
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: chapman on March 21, 2012, 08:57:16 PM
(specially if Pilarz and the domer are squeezing Buzz)

Honestly I think it’s insane to think that Fr. Pilarz or Larry Williams would do anything other than find every way to continue to support Buzz.  Anything else would be career suicide.  The fan and alumni backlash would be extreme – the lack of support and lack of money coming into the athletics program AND the University would force the BOT to depose of them fairly quickly.  Pilarz might survive for awhile then move on elsewhere, Williams’ next AD job would be at Southeastern Montana Tech Community College – you build around your number one pillar for success, simple at that.  You think if Williams wants to be AD at Notre Dame, or USC, or any other “bigger” gig that they’d seriously consider the guy who couldn’t keep Buzz Williams at Marquette, or even worse was a reason for his departure?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 21, 2012, 09:01:16 PM
hope not, but I know they also don't want tickets, assaults coming from the b ball program and may make program policy changes that knowingly or not may irk Buzz.    Larry's awkward call out of Buzz after the WVU dance shows me that's possible. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: exercisevanity on March 21, 2012, 09:44:33 PM
very well said brew. and exactly correct.

i lived in texas for ten years and couldnt wait to get out btw. but this is how they think. they think that  the world revolves around everything texas. luckily the rest of the country doesnt share that view

So this is all really just a case of SMUg?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 21, 2012, 10:29:31 PM
You know what's more adorable than SMU (or anyone else) thinking that they have a chance with Buzz.... MU fans who are still hedging their emotions in case he leaves.

Frankly, I'd rather be devastated and heartbroken if Buzz left than to half-ass support our coach his entire MU career.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pakuni on March 21, 2012, 11:12:21 PM
hope not, but I know they also don't want tickets, assaults coming from the b ball program and may make program policy changes that knowingly or not may irk Buzz.    Larry's awkward call out of Buzz after the WVU dance shows me that's possible. 

Larry didn't say anything about Buzz's dance that Buzz didn't say about Buzz's dance.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: NersEllenson on March 21, 2012, 11:13:04 PM
hope not, but I know they also don't want tickets, assaults coming from the b ball program and may make program policy changes that knowingly or not may irk Buzz.    Larry's awkward call out of Buzz after the WVU dance shows me that's possible. 

Can you elaborate on Larry's awkward call out of Buzz after the WVU dance?  I didn't hear about that/see it, etc., but know that Buzz went way overboard (seemingly unnecessarily overboard) to apologize every chance/interview shortly thereafter that he could..
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: turk17 on March 22, 2012, 12:02:19 AM
Can you elaborate on Larry's awkward call out of Buzz after the WVU dance?  

Here's the article.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/williams-settles-into-directors-chair-at-mu-vt4dgja-141323703.html

I didn't read it at the time.  It was probably discussed here on the scoop but...sort of strange responses by L. Williams.  Perhaps I just don't expect such candor from an AD?  Undecided on how I feel about it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 22, 2012, 06:17:17 AM
Larry didn't say anything about Buzz's dance that Buzz didn't say about Buzz's dance.

I understand.  But it's one thing for your boss to take it to the papers how you can't do something when you already recognize it.   We're dealing with big egos here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Coleman on March 22, 2012, 06:50:07 AM
very well said brew. and exactly correct.

i lived in texas for ten years and couldnt wait to get out btw. but this is how they think. they think that  the world revolves around everything texas. luckily the rest of the country doesnt share that view

Austin is a cool city. I think Buzz would leave for the right job if he's unhappy. SMU is not the right job. But a Big 12 power....UT, Kansas, maybe


Edit...also I think/hope that he's not unhappy, but only he knows what's in his heart of hearts
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 22, 2012, 07:30:35 AM
Austin is a cool city. I think Buzz would leave for the right job if he's unhappy. SMU is not the right job. But a Big 12 power....UT, Kansas, maybe


Edit...also I think/hope that he's not unhappy, but only he knows what's in his heart of hearts

Austin is a cool city to visit. I wouldn't want to live there long term. I see it a lot like Madison in it's political views and UT is a very liberal school. I don't pretend to know what buzz thinks, but I wonder if his conservative religious views makes him comfortable at Mu.

I think all the hand wringing about our coaches leaving is crap. MU is a top level job in (as of right now) maybe the highest profile basketball conference. Fans of the program should act like it is. Maybe that's why (some) of the media both national and local think of MU as stepping stone job because their own fan base feels that way.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2012, 07:54:59 AM
Austin is a cool city to visit. I wouldn't want to live there long term. I see it a lot like Madison in it's political views and UT is a very liberal school. I don't pretend to know what buzz thinks, but I wonder if his conservative religious views makes him comfortable at Mu.

I think all the hand wringing about our coaches leaving is crap. MU is a top level job in (as of right now) maybe the highest profile basketball conference. Fans of the program should act like it is. Maybe that's why (some) of the media both national and local think of MU as stepping stone job because their own fan base feels that way.

How do you presume to know whether Buzz's religious views are liberal or conservative.

As for Austin, it is the best city to live in Texas.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: frozena pizza on March 22, 2012, 07:58:44 AM
Having degrees from Marquette and SMU I feel obligated to post on this issue.  SMU has a huge endowment but that doesn't mean they have anywhere near the basketball capabilities of Marquette.  If there is an athletic priority at SMU, it is without question to be a relevant football program again - and they are getting there.  I was there when they built the new football stadium on campus and it is an impressive facility, even when it's only 20% full.  Went to a few basketball games while I was there and got courtside seats for almost nothing on the day of the game.  Felt like being at a high school game.  

Benford going there is not the craziest idea.  If they want one of our assistants, Darrin Horn is available.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 22, 2012, 08:02:35 AM
How do you presume to know whether Buzz's religious views are liberal or conservative.

As for Austin, it is the best city to live in Texas.

You have to actually read the post. What I said was, "I don't pretend to know what buzz thinks, but I wonder..."

Austin is a matter of taste you can't say definitively "it is the best city to live in" It would not be where i chose to live in Texas if I had to.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 22, 2012, 08:04:26 AM
Here's the article.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/williams-settles-into-directors-chair-at-mu-vt4dgja-141323703.html

I didn't read it at the time.  It was probably discussed here on the scoop but...sort of strange responses by L. Williams.  Perhaps I just don't expect such candor from an AD? Undecided on how I feel about it.

I just reread that.  I did read it when originally written.  I did see Larry speak in Hartford before the UConn game.  I don't know if I really see anything awkward in there?  It truly sounds like someone at a new job who believes he has some valuable experience to offer and just wants "to fit in" and share that and make sure others are aware it.  I took it mean that he said "Buzz is a great coach, but I personally can help him be even better."  Someone simply trying to fit at the new gig and be recognized.  My 2 cents.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2012, 09:04:53 AM
You have to actually read the post. What I said was, "I don't pretend to know what buzz thinks, but I wonder..."

Austin is a matter of taste you can't say definitively "it is the best city to live in" It would not be where i chose to live in Texas if I had to.

I read it just fine.  You didn't read what you typed.

You said that you don't pretend to know what he thinks.

Then you said in a separate thought that he has conservative religious beliefs.  What would lead you to believe that he has conservative religious beliefs?  I believe the man has strong religious beliefs, but nothing about him makes me think they are conservative or liberal.

As for Austin, yes, it would be my opinion.  I'd challenge you to look at any sort of metric though and find a better place to live in Texas.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 22, 2012, 09:14:58 AM
I read it just fine.  You didn't read what you typed.

You said that you don't pretend to know what he thinks.

Then you said in a separate thought that he has conservative religious beliefs.  What would lead you to believe that he has conservative religious beliefs?  I believe the man has strong religious beliefs, but nothing about him makes me think they are conservative or liberal.

As for Austin, yes, it would be my opinion.  I'd challenge you to look at any sort of metric though and find a better place to live in Texas.


I think the point I was making was pretty clear. Definately not worthy of being challanged by you. and I dont have the time to find any sort of metric as you put it, I lived there for long enough to form my own opinion first hand.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2012, 09:36:47 AM

I think the point I was making was pretty clear. Definately not worthy of being challanged by you. and I dont have the time to find any sort of metric as you put it, I lived there for long enough to form my own opinion first hand.


Maybe to you it was.  Anyway, I would never live in any part of Texas... :)

The whole point of what I was getting at is that I don't think that many basketball coaches are swayed by religion, or the religious affiliation of the school they will be coaching at.

Its great that Buzz is religious, but he can be religious at most schools.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 22, 2012, 10:27:25 AM
Fair enough.
  i may be mistaken but hasnt buzz already said or intimated that the religious aspect of  mu makes him comfortable. I may be wrong about that. Maybe it was someone on here making that statement
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2012, 11:24:48 AM
Fair enough.
  i may be mistaken but hasnt buzz already said or intimated that the religious aspect of  mu makes him comfortable. I may be wrong about that. Maybe it was someone on here making that statement

Yeah, I think that is what it was... someone on here speculating.  I'm sure it is a nice perk, but not something that would matter as much as money and comfort with the city/university.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: RawdogDX on March 22, 2012, 11:28:30 AM

As for Austin, yes, it would be my opinion.  I'd challenge you to look at any sort of metric though and find a better place to live in Texas.

http://best-cities.findthebest.com/d/d/Texas
overall safety rating really killed it.

------------------------
I have been saying that buzz will return to Texas one day.  That will be the day after the UT job opens up.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 22, 2012, 12:14:18 PM
Maybe to you it was.  Anyway, I would never live in any part of Texas... :)

The whole point of what I was getting at is that I don't think that many basketball coaches are swayed by religion, or the religious affiliation of the school they will be coaching at.

Its great that Buzz is religious, but he can be religious at most schools.

If you're looking at high-profile coaching jobs, "most" may not be the best adjective.  Try spouting anything religious publicly at a public university in a northern, blue-state and your butt will be scraping concrete faster than you can say "amen."  However, he could easily get away with anything at the University of [Insert Bible Belt State] as long as he ended every sentence with Jesus or did a Tebow at least once during every practice.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SacWarrior on March 22, 2012, 12:20:12 PM
SMU basketball to me is about on the same level as University of New Orleans basketball.

But college coaches always take steps back after reaching success at Power 6 schools, we all know that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 22, 2012, 07:17:55 PM
You have to actually read the post. What I said was, "I don't pretend to know what buzz thinks, but I wonder..."

Austin is a matter of taste you can't say definitively "it is the best city to live in" It would not be where i chose to live in Texas if I had to.

I graduated from both SMU and UT-Austin. While I am a fan of both cities, Dallas and Austin are very different.

Austin is a great city, but it is significantly more liberal than most of the state. While interning at the State AG's office, I got called out for ordering pizza for Domino's.  Why? Everyone in the office was boycotting Domino's b/c the owner of the company was Pro-Life.  When I explained that I was Pro-Life, they thought I was joking b/c only "religious nuts" were Pro-Life.  

From what I have read about Williams, I don't think he would enjoy working for the powerful UT alums or working for DeLoss Dodds.  He strikes me as a control freak and UT coaches don't have as much control as one would think.  They are expected to kowtow to guys like Joe Jamail and Jim Bob Moffett.

Bottom Line: I don't think you have to worry about him leaving for UT.

Good luck against Florida.  This Mustang Fan will be rooting for Marquette.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 08:51:18 AM
bye bye
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 23, 2012, 09:08:55 AM
bye bye

Bye bye for now, perhaps.  But we'll see you ponies very, very soon.

Welcome to the Big East.  Meet your roommate, DePaul.  You two will be spending lots of time together.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 10:53:35 AM
Maybe so...but at least we wont be in Milwaukee....


Wonder if Buzz feels the same way...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 23, 2012, 11:16:08 AM
Maybe so...but at least we wont be in Milwaukee....


Wonder if Buzz feels the same way...

So you'd rather be the suck of the Big East and in Dallas then being a top team in the Big East and in Milwaukee?

Priorities seem a little skewed for a college sports fan, but those priorities are why SMU got the death penalty anyway.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 11:19:01 AM
Good talk..death penalty, ect...You are very witty....

Yes I would rather be terrible in Dallas and in the big east with Buzz, than reside or hang out in Milwaukee...

potawatomi is pretty cool!!!

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 23, 2012, 11:24:50 AM
Good talk..death penalty, ect...You are very witty....

Yes I would rather be terrible in Dallas and in the big east with Buzz, than reside or hang out in Milwaukee...

potawatomi is pretty cool!!!



Except there's relatively no chance Buzz is going to SMU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mugoose on March 23, 2012, 11:29:56 AM
Dallas sucks. I've lived there. It sucks. Women are hot, though. But the city itself sucks.

I love Milwaukee. Much more of a community. Beautiful.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 11:32:34 AM
I live in chicago...milwaukee is far from beautiful...

Dallas is far from great but its better than Milwaukee and defn becoming a very good city quickly...

money talks
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 23, 2012, 11:33:35 AM

money talks

Which Marquette spends a lot more than SMU on basketball.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 11:34:30 AM
You have no clue...That statement makes it obvious....

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 23, 2012, 11:37:15 AM
You have no clue...That statement makes it obvious....

Marquette has the 2nd highest basketball budget in the NCAAs next to Duke. You are the one who has no clue...that statement makes it obvious.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 11:37:58 AM
Times they are a changing....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 23, 2012, 11:38:40 AM
You have no clue...That statement makes it obvious....


Let me get this straight.  You come on this board, start ragging on Milwaukee, a city that a lot of people here love and would rather live in than Dallas.  (Don't know how Buzz feels about it.)  And then says "money will talk," without having the clue that Marquette has the money to match any offer that SMU makes.  That is an undeniable fact.

If Buzz leaves, it won't be for more money.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 11:40:23 AM
Maybe he doesn't want it to be matched...

Milwaukee does suck...and you speak with no knowledge of what SMU can or will pay...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 23, 2012, 11:43:49 AM
Whatever SMU can pay, Marquette *could* match.

And yeah, Buzz might not want MU to match it.  Which just proves my point that if Buzz leaves, it won't be for money.

And having spent time in both places, I would live in Milwaukee long before I live in Dallas.  You feel differently.  To argue it is childish.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 23, 2012, 11:44:24 AM
Maybe he doesn't want it to be matched...

Milwaukee does suck...and you speak with no knowledge of what SMU can or will pay...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/32616334.html

Milwaukee was voted the "Sexiest City in America" in 2008.  Unless the city was set on fire and burned completely down (it wasn't, I've lived here every year of my life), I don't think it "sucks."  I'd rather have a couple months of really cold weather during the winter than have 110 and humid as can be every day for 5 months of the year like Dallas.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 11:45:04 AM
I can live with that statement....but the hit on Dallas and SMU came before the milwaukee sucks comments...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MDMU04 on March 23, 2012, 11:46:49 AM
bye bye

Your words carry a lot of weight, especially considering your team hasnt made the tournament in 19 years and hasnt won a tournament game in 24.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 11:47:50 AM
SMU really does have crazy money...the commitment to athletics didn't start occurring until recently, so you can knock the history but without knowing anything about the school to ask why he would leave Marquette for SMU is really a question you need to think about
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 23, 2012, 11:48:53 AM
I live in chicago...milwaukee is far from beautiful...

Awesome!  Then you're already familiar with college basketball programs on the wrong side of the suck spectrum.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 11:50:17 AM
Your picking on Depaul.....Really thats the best you got....

You and Depaul are essentially the same school....same academic profiles, ect.

You are really just picking on yourself when you do that...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 23, 2012, 11:52:47 AM
No actually Marquette and DePaul are different in a number of ways.  First is the investment toward its basketball program.  Second is the arena location.

And I am most certainly not knocking SMU and its investment into basketball.  I think you are the one that doesn't have an understanding of the $$$ that MU has available to pay its coach.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 23, 2012, 11:54:04 AM
SMU you're like a midget picking a fight bro.     Go rope a pony or something brotha, you're getting nowhere.


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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 11:55:28 AM
I know that we can out pay Marquette without question, we just won't have to....

No reason getting into pissing contest(which we would win), Im glad you guys are committed you should applaud our desire to compete...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 23, 2012, 11:56:36 AM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FaSdj4emPLo/TfzeECoo7LI/AAAAAAAAADI/UqKSbOt9d-Q/s1600/MidgetPony.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 23, 2012, 11:58:48 AM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FaSdj4emPLo/TfzeECoo7LI/AAAAAAAAADI/UqKSbOt9d-Q/s1600/MidgetPony.jpg)

Heh...needed that laugh.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 23, 2012, 11:59:40 AM
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee41/roblowe14/MU-DPU-SMU.png)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 23, 2012, 12:01:59 PM
Charts pretty damn small,  i take it the blue bloods are on the right of that chart.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 23, 2012, 12:06:41 PM
Charts pretty damn small,  i take it the blue bloods are on the right of that chart.

I messed up getting the size right.  Should be fixed now.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 12:09:48 PM
Nice work...good chart...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 23, 2012, 12:13:19 PM
No way an SMU fan is this dumb....must be a Badger.....TO's aren't like cell phone minutes, they don't carry over baby!!!


(http://www.elevenwarriors.com/sites/default/files/images/11w/2012/02/bo-ryan-deal-with-it.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 12:13:48 PM
Marquette is UW students safety school...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 23, 2012, 12:16:43 PM
Marquette is UW students safety school...

Definitely a Badger fan.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 23, 2012, 12:17:22 PM
I know that we can out pay Marquette without question, we just won't have to....

No reason getting into pissing contest(which we would win), Im glad you guys are committed you should applaud our desire to compete...

I think they still teach logic problems down south

Assume:

SMU hoops < VCU hoops
MU hoops > ILL hoops

and:

SMU$ ~ ILL$ > MU$ > VCU$

if:

VCU hoops > ILL$

then:

MU hoops > SMU$

therefore:

SMU = :'(

(We call that the "Money can't buy happiness" theorem.)

in conclusion:

MU =  :)

Don't mess with happy.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: damuts222 on March 23, 2012, 12:19:16 PM
Quote
http://dallas.sbnation.com/2012/3/20/2886562/smu-basketball-coaching-search-matt-doherty

  Nice article on the reality of SMU. As if SMU isn't a safety school for Texas, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech at the least.

  Everything in Texas is bigger including your ignorance to the reality of SMU in basketball. Focus on your football program something Texans care about.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 23, 2012, 12:21:12 PM
Comeon, he's sooo cute! Can we keep him?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 12:21:57 PM
Most Marquette kids can't get into SMU...and that's ok...

Its not about academics or endowments or being endowed something very few of you know anything about...

The point is you should be thrilled we are going to compete in the same conference and we are just going to take your coach so we can get to your level...no biggie...I applaud you for your effort...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 23, 2012, 12:23:47 PM
you're boring.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 12:24:13 PM
Same to you....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 23, 2012, 12:24:53 PM
I don't even know why I'm entertaining this discussion, but SMU's Basketball budget is middle of the road CUSA and Marquette's is 2nd in the Big East. ~3MM vs ~10MM.  I don't even understand how this is an argument.  DePaul's basketball budget is twice as much as SMU's!

I guess you can argue what SMU "might" pay, but then again you can do that for anything.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 23, 2012, 12:28:57 PM
Most Marquette kids can't get into SMU...and that's ok...

Its not about academics or endowments or being endowed something very few of you know anything about...

The point is you should be thrilled we are going to compete in the same conference and we are just going to take your coach so we can get to your level...no biggie...I applaud you for your effort...

This guy is clearly not an actual SMU fan/alum. He's a Badger fan/MU-hater just messing with people.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 12:29:19 PM
Well Lazer....

Now that we are in big east I expect our budget to double but most likely triple...

50mil renovation on stadium is being done currently...the Mavericks use our 2010 practice facility...so all we need is the right coach...and some players...but that stems from the coach...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LON on March 23, 2012, 12:31:26 PM
Comeon, he's sooo cute! Can we keep him?

Is he brown? Is he pretty?  Is he clean mikey?  Is he clean?

IS HE CLEAN? IS HE BROWN? MAKE HIM TAKE HIS SHOES OFF.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 12:31:40 PM
This guy is clearly not an actual SMU fan/alum. He's a Badger fan/MU-hater just messing with people.



Marquette average ACT 25
sat 1160


SMU is 29 and 1290
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 23, 2012, 12:39:29 PM
Marquette average ACT 25
sat 1160


SMU is 29 and 1290


Well, clearly this proves you're a real SMU fan.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 23, 2012, 12:48:33 PM

Let me get this straight.  You come on this board, start ragging on Milwaukee, a city that a lot of people here love and would rather live in than Dallas.  (Don't know how Buzz feels about it.)  And then says "money will talk," without having the clue that Marquette has the money to match any offer that SMU makes.  That is an undeniable fact.

If Buzz leaves, it won't be for more money.
To be fair, Texas was bashed a few times before he started ragging on Milwaukee.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 23, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
Well Lazer....

Now that we are in big east I expect our budget to double but most likely triple...

50mil renovation on stadium is being done currently...the Mavericks use our 2010 practice facility...so all we need is the right coach...and some players...but that stems from the coach...

Yep, I expect Marquette's to triple as well.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 12:53:28 PM
ok lazer Marquette is going to start spending 25 mil a year in bball...


good talk...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 23, 2012, 12:57:14 PM
ok lazer Marquette is going to start spending 25 mil a year in bball...


good talk...

Yeah it's crazy as SMU spending 10 mil, both ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 12:59:53 PM
ok lazman....

we will probably outlaying at least 10 mil on buzz after buyout, first years salary, moving expenses, cars, country club membership....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 23, 2012, 01:14:11 PM
ok lazman....

we will probably outlaying at least 10 mil on buzz after buyout, first years salary, moving expenses, cars, country club membership....
What does he need a CC membership for?  The man is always working.  I doubt he would play 5 times a year.

Oh, and while I do feel bad that some MU fans have ganged up on you and your school, I also find it humorous that you seem to really think Buzz to SMU is a possibility.  While you're at it you should hire Nick Saban too.  He's proven a few times that all it takes is a little extra money to get him to bolt.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 01:26:31 PM
Buzz and benford both coming...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 23, 2012, 01:34:24 PM
Buzz and benford both coming...
Enjoy!  Sounds like things are looking up in whatever the hell town SMU is located in.  Maybe John Wooden will agree to sit on the bench as a "special advisor".

Serious question though... how much money do you think you'll have to throw at Buzz to get him to come?  He's already making $2+ million in a good situation.  How much do you think it will take to get him to come and rebuild SMU from scratch?  $3 million?  more?  I know you think that money's not a problem, just wondering how much money you're talkin'.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 01:54:11 PM
Supposedly he thinks your new AD is a beat off...and he also wants to move back to texas...

We will prob pay 3 a year and then the nice buyout you guys threw on the deal, which was very well done...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 23, 2012, 01:56:17 PM
Supposedly he thinks your new AD is a beat off...and he also wants to move back to texas...

We will prob pay 3 a year and then the nice buyout you guys threw on the deal, which was very well done...

It'll be great to watch your irrelevant basketball program bleed money by paying any coach 3 mil.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: damuts222 on March 23, 2012, 01:58:10 PM
Badger fan, reveal yourself

(http://www.law.wisc.edu/blogs/wisblawg/READ_Bo.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Lazer we raise 3 mil with 1 phone call....his salary will not be paid by the school...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 23, 2012, 02:10:07 PM
Lazer we raise 3 mil with 1 phone call....his salary will not be paid by the school...
His salary is currently not paid by the school, either.  All it took was one phone call as well - but likely the phone call was incoming, not outgoing.   ;)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Litehouse on March 23, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
This is like deja vu reading all the comments from the Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Oklahoma fans last year.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 02:29:22 PM
Only difference is we have already stated the buyout won't be an issue...where those schools wouldn't pay it...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: chapman on March 23, 2012, 02:34:44 PM
This is like deja vu reading all the comments from the Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Oklahoma fans last year.

Except those were legit programs.  SMU is DePaul's new doormat.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 23, 2012, 02:35:59 PM
Only difference is we have already stated the buyout won't be an issue...where those schools wouldn't pay it...

No, the only difference is SMU has a dead program and zero credibility compared to those schools. If Buzz left, it would be for a real program. When was the last time a coach left a top-15 job for a sub-200 job? Other than Matt Doherty, who as I recall wasn't given much choice in the matter?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 23, 2012, 02:41:19 PM
I honestly hope he's right and SMU starts pouring millions of dollars into basketball and becomes relevant.  It can only help our future RPIs.  But this offseason, Buzz to SMU is laughable.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 02:42:14 PM
hardy har har....

seeya at the brat stop...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Litehouse on March 23, 2012, 02:43:08 PM
Only difference is we have already stated the buyout won't be an issue...where those schools wouldn't pay it...

All those fans were here saying the exact same thing.  The Arkansas fans said Walton money was going to pay for everything.  There was an Oklahoma fan who's parents were big boosters and said the inner-circle of boosters got together to come up with the cash.  A&M fans said their school was huge and the boosters would easily come up with the money.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 23, 2012, 02:44:08 PM
There was an Oklahoma fan who's parents were big boosters and said the inner-circle of boosters got together to come up with the cash. 

Heh...forgot about that one.  Funny stuff.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 02:49:37 PM
SMU has more money than all of them...but I can understand the disbelief...

It should be exciting, you will have tons of money to hire next guy and it creates a little big east rivalry....I know we are...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 23, 2012, 02:53:20 PM
I would never say things won't happen in today's sports world. If somebody would have told me 20 years ago that Strong would be so active I would not have believed it. The game has changed and literally anything is possible. My greatest fear when it comes to Buzz is something crazy happening and he cannot say no. One beautiful thing of taking over a struggling program is that your timetable for success moves further out.

Honestly if I were a coach today and not in the "upper elite" programs I might opt for lateral or slighty backward movement in job to protect myself. Buzz has a bar which will continue to move higher at MU with success which leads to possible disappointment. MU can win NC but it is not a job expectation here but fan expectations have risen. Two years of missing NCAA, do not think it will happen, would make nativs restless. New program with hopes but not expectations really is not bad option.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 23, 2012, 02:55:43 PM
I would never say things won't happen in today's sports world. If somebody would have told me 20 years ago that Strong would be so active I would not have believed it. The game has changed and literally anything is possible. My greatest fear when it comes to Buzz is something crazy happening and he cannot say no. One beautiful thing of taking over a struggling program is that your timetable for success moves further out.

Honestly if I were a coach today and not in the "upper elite" programs I might opt for lateral or slighty backward movement in job to protect myself. Buzz has a bar which will continue to move higher at MU with success which leads to possible disappointment. MU can win NC but it is not a job expectation here but fan expectations have risen. Two years of missing NCAA, do not think it will happen, would make nativs restless. New program with hopes but not expectations really is not bad option.
If that is how Buzz thinks they can have him.  He'll never win jack here anyway if that's his thought process.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 02:58:10 PM
We won't have him we will take him...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 23, 2012, 02:59:41 PM
ATLWarrior---Who said Buzz thought like that? I simply stated that if Buzz utimately wants UT job he could get it coaching at MU or anywhere as long as successful. My point is to think that coaches do not have their own interests in mind to some extent is crazy. The best guys in the world make selfish decisions from time to time. All I am saying is what would have sounded crazy five years ago might not be crazy today. Five years ago Buzz was making nothing and today he is multi millionaire.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 23, 2012, 03:08:42 PM
You have a basketball team, we have a basketball program.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 23, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
I would say with 99.9% certainty that Buzz would not go to SMU or other "struggling" program. It is the .1% that worries me.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU17 on March 23, 2012, 03:12:37 PM
You have a basketball team, we have a basketball program.

Wowwwww you are great
Title: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: sailwi on March 24, 2012, 08:55:14 PM
Nothing more than SMU wants Buzz and is willingly to pay but it was written by Goodman who is Buzz's BFF so that gives me a 1% concern.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18025287/smu-pursuing-marquettes-buzz-williams
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 24, 2012, 08:56:21 PM
So, Goodman is to Buzz as Katz is to Crean?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MUMac on March 24, 2012, 08:57:43 PM
So, Goodman is to Buzz as Katz is to Crean and Don Walker is to bo?
Fixed.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: sailwi on March 24, 2012, 09:01:12 PM
I've heard Buzz talk about Goodman and how he believed in him (Buzz) before anyone else did, so I do think it is equivalent to Crean/Katz seems every coach has their mouthpiece and Goodman is Buzz's.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muhoops1 on March 24, 2012, 09:09:31 PM
You said "mouthpiece"
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 24, 2012, 09:12:45 PM
really SMU wants to pursue Buzz?    Sure they can't get Izzo or Boeheim?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 24, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
The carnage that would ensue here if this happened would be breathtaking to watch.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 24, 2012, 09:16:32 PM
More like at Zilber Hall
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 24, 2012, 09:24:35 PM
Goodman's source?   SMU17...from his mom's basement
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 24, 2012, 09:53:26 PM
SMU is not a basketball school.  They are below .500 and have nothing.

If Buzz took this job, he would label himself a mercenary.  See Kevin O'Neill.  See Oliver Purnell.  That is not a good thing to be.

If SMU wants to make a run at being a decent basketball school, the best thing they can do is seek out the hottest assistant coach and hire them.

Let me repeat what I said before ... Hire Tony Benford!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 24, 2012, 09:55:52 PM
This sounds really crazy but Buzz would be able to recruit great at that school.  It has extremely powerful Alums that are willing to put their money down for a winner. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 24, 2012, 09:57:32 PM
This sounds really crazy but Buzz would be able to recruit great at that school.  It has extremely powerful Alums that are willing to put their money down for a winner. 

Hell, that equation worked for Scott Drew at Baylor.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 24, 2012, 09:58:16 PM
This sounds really crazy but Buzz would be able to recruit great at that school.  It has extremely powerful Alums that are willing to put their money down for a winner. 

Careful with these words as powerful SMU alums have put their money down for a winner and it resulted in the death penalty!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: SMU17 on March 24, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
Done deal...see you guys 2013.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: brewcity77 on March 24, 2012, 10:46:43 PM
For Buzz, it'd be career suicide. For Benford, it'd be a great gig. Unless SMU is changing their colors to baby blue and gold, replacing their airport signage with LAX logos, and spray painting "Pauley Pavilion" on their stadium, Buzz ain't coming.

If he leaves, it will be for a real basketball program. SMU doesn't have one of those. Buzz ain't going.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 24, 2012, 10:48:26 PM
SMU17 - you are more likely to land Rob Jeter from Milwaukee than Buzz...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on March 24, 2012, 10:50:49 PM
No way Buzz takes $$$ to go to some crap school and have to re-establish himself. Doubt Buzz is like that. We are in position to maybe get to a F4 soon so why would he leave?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: SMU17 on March 24, 2012, 10:51:19 PM
Buzz and Bedford are coming thanks...


Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 24, 2012, 10:55:16 PM
Buzz and Bedford are coming thanks...




You'll be sure to visit when neither of end up at SMU right?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mviale on March 24, 2012, 10:56:09 PM
SMU is the preppy rich kid school of Texas.  Marquette is a good middle class hard working school.  Buzz has a happy family here.  Buzz has a great nucleus coming back and more recruiting classes.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: SMU17 on March 24, 2012, 10:56:54 PM
Not a fan of Milwaukee....except when I am going up to the resort in lake Geneva or the brat stop....more likely to visit the mu fans in Dallas....

Excited to get this big east party started....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: chapman on March 24, 2012, 11:00:27 PM
Excited to get this big east party started....

So is DePaul.  They can't wait to get out of the cellar. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 24, 2012, 11:01:10 PM
Not a fan of Milwaukee....except when I am going up to the resort in lake Geneva or the brat stop....more likely to visit the mu fans in Dallas....

Excited to get this big east party started....

Lake Geneva resorts? Is this the 80s?

I meant make sure you keep posting after everything you have stated is wrong. It will be too easy to runaway when you find out you're an idiot.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: SMU17 on March 24, 2012, 11:02:05 PM
We won't be there long with buzz and Bedford....maybe never...otherwise you guys wouldn't be so angry that we are taking him...

The buyout will provide you guys with plenty of cash to replace him with....

We will both be better off
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: SMU17 on March 24, 2012, 11:03:08 PM
Lake Geneva resorts? Is this the 80s?

I meant make sure you keep posting after everything to have stated is wrong. It will be too easy to runaway when you find out you're an idiot.

Is that English....I have No idea what that means....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 24, 2012, 11:08:14 PM
We won't be there long with buzz and Bedford....maybe never...otherwise you guys wouldn't be so angry that we are taking him...

The buyout will provide you guys with plenty of cash to replace him with....

We will both be better off

What's the wager? Buzz and Benford to SMU, name your price.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: nyg on March 24, 2012, 11:12:16 PM
Has a coach ever left a BE school for another BE school?  Is that even allowed?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 12:16:04 AM
Has a coach ever left a BE school for another BE school?  Is that even allowed?

No rule to prevent it.  Simple employment situation that unless his contract says he can't go to another school in the conference, nothing would prevent.  SMU doesn't begin playing until 2013 either.


Here's the thing, I doubt this will happen but I think a lot of you underestimate the state of Texas and specifically SMU.  They have more money than God down there.  Makes Marquette look like a junior college in terms of money.  They have been in hibernation for decades because of the death penalty.  Some of us are old enough to remember just how damn good that athletic program was when things were humming.  Now, they were cheating their fool heads off but it's not like SMU doesn't have an athletics tradition.

The invite to the Big East is looked upon down there as their chance to open up the flood gates.  They aren't joining to get their arses kicked in basketball and football.  Comparing them to DePaul is really short sighted.  SMU has resources 50X what DePaul has.  Remember when MU was invited to the Big East and we suffered through two NIT seasons and how many folks said we would get slaughtered in the Big East?  Rick Majerus anyone?  Cough cough.   We wouldn't let it happen because we prepared for two years for the Big East. 

This is what SMU is trying to do.  Ultimately Buzz will leave for Texas or another job down there, but I doubt it is SMU.  It is not impossible, however, as the money is incredible.  It's home and it's private.  Oh, and it's a religious school.  For all the harping on their arena, we don't even have one of our own. 

This is one of the dangers we signed up for when we hired a guy from outside the Midwest.  Always this possibility.  Maybe Milwaukee is home now, or maybe you can always return home (Texas). 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: texaswarrior74 on March 25, 2012, 12:45:44 AM
I've lived in Dallas for 32 years and my daughter is a 2L at SMU Law School so I know the school well.

Their basketball program has been irrelevant since Dave Bliss left and even when he was there they never sold their tiny facility out.

The undergrad student body is a mix of Highland Park (wealthiest area of Dallas where SMU is located) rich kids who see it as an extension of high school and other southern rich kids. It's got a HUGE Greek scene, the girls carry their $1200-1500 designer purses and drive BMWs and Land Cruisers and the guys are in their upturned collar Polo/Southern Tide shirts with brightly colored shorts .

Yes, the school has plenty of wealthy alum who love to throw their money around (I worked for one of their biggest donors for 14years) but what school in Texas doesn't? Even with June Jones turning the football program around they still can't fill a 45,000 seat stadium.

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On September 24, 2010, the regular season attendance record was set at Gerald J. Ford Stadium when 35,481 people watched the TCU Horned Frogs face off against the SMU Mustangs. TCU won the game, 41–24. The overall attendance record is set at 36,742 for the 2010 Armed Forces Bowl between SMU and the Army Black Knights.

The undergrad school is and always has been a rich kid's party school despite numerous efforts to compete with Vanderbilt (the ULTIMATE rich kid's party school) academics. It does have a fine graduate business school, Divinity School and Law School as well as a very highly regarded school of the Arts.

I for one, would be shocked beyond words if Buzz left MU for SMU unless there is a problem between him and the administration that we are not aware of. Despite the money they can throw at a coach if they choose to, there is little to no community support for the program and the student body is apathetic at best about college basketball despite any drivel that SMU trolls might be spewing.

I'd start to be worried if and when Texas finally gets tired of Rick Barnes' teams collapsing every year because Texas truly does have an unlimited budget, great facilities and fan support and it's in Austin, the biggest college town in America. Fear the Orangebloods, not the Ponies.





  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: LON on March 25, 2012, 02:41:38 AM
No rule to prevent it.  Simple employment situation that unless his contract says he can't go to another school in the conference, nothing would prevent.  SMU doesn't begin playing until 2013 either.


Here's the thing, I doubt this will happen but I think a lot of you underestimate the state of Texas and specifically SMU.  They have more money than God down there.  Makes Marquette look like a junior college in terms of money.  They have been in hibernation for decades because of the death penalty.  Some of us are old enough to remember just how damn good that athletic program was when things were humming.  Now, they were cheating their fool heads off but it's not like SMU doesn't have an athletics tradition.

The invite to the Big East is looked upon down there as their chance to open up the flood gates.  They aren't joining to get their arses kicked in basketball and football.  Comparing them to DePaul is really short sighted.  SMU has resources 50X what DePaul has.  Remember when MU was invited to the Big East and we suffered through two NIT seasons and how many folks said we would get slaughtered in the Big East?  Rick Majerus anyone?  Cough cough.   We wouldn't let it happen because we prepared for two years for the Big East. 

This is what SMU is trying to do.  Ultimately Buzz will leave for Texas or another job down there, but I doubt it is SMU.  It is not impossible, however, as the money is incredible.  It's home and it's private.  Oh, and it's a religious school.  For all the harping on their arena, we don't even have one of our own. 

This is one of the dangers we signed up for when we hired a guy from outside the Midwest.  Always this possibility.  Maybe Milwaukee is home now, or maybe you can always return home (Texas). 

Just admit it, typing all this was your Viagra tonight.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 03:54:20 AM
No rule to prevent it.  Simple employment situation that unless his contract says he can't go to another school in the conference, nothing would prevent.  SMU doesn't begin playing until 2013 either.


Here's the thing, I doubt this will happen but I think a lot of you underestimate the state of Texas and specifically SMU.  They have more money than God down there.  Makes Marquette look like a junior college in terms of money.  They have been in hibernation for decades because of the death penalty.  Some of us are old enough to remember just how damn good that athletic program was when things were humming.  Now, they were cheating their fool heads off but it's not like SMU doesn't have an athletics tradition.

The invite to the Big East is looked upon down there as their chance to open up the flood gates.  They aren't joining to get their arses kicked in basketball and football.  Comparing them to DePaul is really short sighted.  SMU has resources 50X what DePaul has.  Remember when MU was invited to the Big East and we suffered through two NIT seasons and how many folks said we would get slaughtered in the Big East?  Rick Majerus anyone?  Cough cough.   We wouldn't let it happen because we prepared for two years for the Big East.  

This is what SMU is trying to do.  Ultimately Buzz will leave for Texas or another job down there, but I doubt it is SMU.  It is not impossible, however, as the money is incredible.  It's home and it's private.  Oh, and it's a religious school.  For all the harping on their arena, we don't even have one of our own.  

This is one of the dangers we signed up for when we hired a guy from outside the Midwest.  Always this possibility.  Maybe Milwaukee is home now, or maybe you can always return home (Texas).  

Again you way over estimate money.  It matters to a point and MU is at that point for basketball.  Doubling or tripling the endowment would not change anything for the basketball program.

The largest endowment in the Big East is ND ($6.26 billion in 2011).  I don't see them blowing the doors of the rest of the conference.  Would you rather be them or MU (in basketball)?

Northwestern has the second biggest endowment in the Big 10, just after Michigan (Michigan $7.8 billion, NU $7.2 billion).  How has this helped their revenue sports programs?

Duke has the largest endowment in the ACC ($5.75 billion).  Is this money the reason for their basketball success?  Why doesn't this money mean a better football program?

Endowment is the wrong metric.  It's well-heeded patrons of the sport.  See Boone Pickens and his support of Oklahoma State football.

MU has Dick Strong.

Lastly, SMU has a large endowment when measured against MU.  But at $1.2 billion fully 59 schools have larger endowments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 05:18:32 AM
SMU is the preppy rich kid school of Texas.  Marquette is a good middle class hard working school.  Buzz has a happy family here.  Buzz has a great nucleus coming back and more recruiting classes.  

Leaving MU would not be a slap at your school.  Texans love living in TX.  I cannot wait to return.SMU is a great school in a great, growing city. Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.

SMU has (or will have) great facilities for basketballl.  There is no reason he cannot succeed with the resources he will have.  With the move to the Big East, the school is stepping up to rebuild our BB program.   Buzz or no Buzz, we won't be Depaul. 

As for academics, there were three SMU alums in my graduate school class at Yale.  In my fraternity alone, we had people admitted to law/b-school school at UT, Vandy, Harvard, Yale, SMU, Stanford, and various medical schools.  

Finally, while there are certainly rich kids at SMU (my girlfriend got a diamond faced Rolex for graduation), most of the students come from middle class families.  As a little girl, my mother was a migrant farm worker in South Texas with the other Mexican immigrants.  Despite being a minority and middle class (mom is a public school teacher), SMU students were universally welcoming.  

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 07:17:11 AM
Believe me, everyone here wants SMU to improve their basketball program.  Just without Buzz.  And look if moving back to Texas was a primary concern of Buzz's, he would have looked at the A&M job. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MUFC9295 on March 25, 2012, 07:25:56 AM
Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.


Only when flights connect at DFW.  Or maybe hou meant the population in Texas.  But Texas, especially Dallas, isnt all that appealing.  It's a series of disconnected suburbs with no meaningful downtown, poor mass transit and no identity.  Really.  The hospitality industry in Dallas struggles to attract people for business and pleasure.  What is Dallas know  for? Personally, I'll take Fort Worth over Dallas.  At least it has that without the pretentious attitude.  And no one wants to go to FW.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 07:38:32 AM
If Buzz leaves because of his relationship with Larry Williams, I would be just as disappointed in Buzz for throwing in the towel after just a few months of working together.  Relationships can be repaired and Buzz should know this.  Remember how he yanked Jamil around during his recruitment?  Well, that worked itself out. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 07:57:35 AM
If Buzz leaves because of his relationship with Larry Williams, I would be just as disappointed in Buzz for throwing in the towel after just a few months of working together.  Relationships can be repaired and Buzz should know this.  Remember how he yanked Jamil around during his recruitment?  Well, that worked itself out. 

So Buzz is so desperate to get out of Milwuakee that he will take the next job offer, after turning down, oklahoma, a&m, Arkansas and Illinois?  This makes no sense.

And if buzz takes smu for more money than god, believe me they will expect three burger boys next year.  And more the year after.  You don't make him one of the highest paid coaches in the land for nothing.  If has not (yet) do that here, why would he instantly be able to do that at a terrible big 12 team with no tradition and lousy facilities?

Buzz has established his Wisconsin and Chicago recruiting base.  Vander Blue, Jamil Wilson are here.  JMay, Dwight Buycks and Reggie Smith were here.  Burton, Steve Taylor, Duane Wilson are coming.  Kenrick Nunn, Kevon Looney, Diamond Stone considering.  This does not transfer to SMU.

Finally this came up with the Oklahoma discussion last year. Buzz made a comment that he is a Texan but his kids are not. All they know is Milwaukee so he lives with a bunch of cheese heads.  He stayed after Crean left to either remain an assistant or get the head job precisely becuase he no longer wanted the nomad live.  It worked for him.  Now he gets paid well, has a great house and is doing well at a top school in the best conference.  Where is the upside for leaving all this to take on a "New Orleans vision 2" type of project?

As it was said above, SMU is career suicide for Buzz.  Great move for Benford.  Illinois makes more sense for Buzz but they apparently know better than to even ask.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 08:05:29 AM
Leaving MU would not be a slap at your school.  Texans love living in TX.  I cannot wait to return.SMU is a great school in a great, growing city. Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.

SMU has (or will have) great facilities for basketballl.  There is no reason he cannot succeed with the resources he will have.  With the move to the Big East, the school is stepping up to rebuild our BB program.   Buzz or no Buzz, we won't be Depaul. 

As for academics, there were three SMU alums in my graduate school class at Yale.  In my fraternity alone, we had people admitted to law/b-school school at UT, Vandy, Harvard, Yale, SMU, Stanford, and various medical schools.  

Finally, while there are certainly rich kids at SMU (my girlfriend got a diamond faced Rolex for graduation), most of the students come from middle class families.  As a little girl, my mother was a migrant farm worker in South Texas with the other Mexican immigrants.  Despite being a minority and middle class (mom is a public school teacher), SMU students were universally welcoming.  

Your comment say you know nothing about Buzz and his background.  Go see his comments from last year's sweet 16 run about how he wants broken kids from tough backgrounds that are willing to work. About how his kids understand 15 pessengar vans and ordering dinner by a number ("I'll have the number 7 combo meal")

Go read about Jimmy Butler's childhood, about how is we abandoned at 13 and forced to live on the streets.

Go see CNN's story about Marquette's basketball program that ran earlier this week.

If you told Buzz what was written above, he would run AWAY for your school.  His personality and the descrtion above do not fit each other.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 08:38:31 AM
Just looked through the on line sports section of the Dallas paper.  Nothing written about Buzz, let alone SMU.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: We R Final Four on March 25, 2012, 09:07:29 AM
Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.

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Si, Senor.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on March 25, 2012, 09:16:48 AM
Not a fan of Milwaukee....except when I am going up to the resort in lake Geneva or the brat stop....more likely to visit the mu fans in Dallas....

Excited to get this big east party started....

Obvious UW troll. Nobody from Texas knows about the brat stop...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 09:54:14 AM
Only when flights connect at DFW.  Or maybe hou meant the population in Texas.  But Texas, especially Dallas, isnt all that appealing.  It's a series of disconnected suburbs with no meaningful downtown, poor mass transit and no identity.  Really.  The hospitality industry in Dallas struggles to attract people for business and pleasure.  What is Dallas know  for? Personally, I'll take Fort Worth over Dallas.  At least it has that without the pretentious attitude.  And no one wants to go to FW.

The DFW Metroplex is one of the fastest growing areas in the country.  Insulting Dallas with Ft Worth is funny b/c it is part of what the Metroplex offers.  The Metroplex has a vibrant economy based upon tech, telecom, energy, banking, and transportation. 

In contrast, Milwaukee has been shrinking since the 60's.  Milwaukee has ???? to attract new businesses and residents. 

source:  http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20100324-Dallas-Fort-Worth-area-topping-the-7663.ece

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 09:55:24 AM
Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.



Si, Senor.

De Nada.  Mexican Americans like me are a large part of Texas culture and the economy.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 10:30:43 AM
I said on earlier post that I am 99.9% sure Buzz is not going anywhere and the .1% is what scares me. To me the beauty of Buzz is he shoots from the hips and emotions are exposed to everyone. Those type of people are ones that make decisions average people do not. Buzz to me is the kind of guy that runs into traffic and not wait for the light. In some regard he reminds of Brett Favre. Favre did a million things right and was entertaining as hell but he ran into traffic at the end.

My hopes are that Buzz looks at everything and not focus on one or two negative aspects of his job. I will add that about third of the people voting on FF poll in five years thought he would not get us there. If that is the belief Buzz's employer, unless a very elite program, really makes no difference. SMU is a joke and we have real program but that does not tell the whole picture.

Fingers crossed that the next three weeks fly by quickly with no serious Buzz leaving stuff out there.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 10:41:24 AM
So Buzz is so desperate to get out of Milwuakee that he will take the next job offer, after turning down, oklahoma, a&m, Arkansas and Illinois?  This makes no sense.

As it was said above, SMU is career suicide for Buzz. 

I don't think Buzz is going anywhere... BUT, a lot of people in college basketball were shocked when he left a head coaching gig to take an assistant job at MU.

Clearly, he is not afraid to go against the grain if he thinks he can make it work.

He's unpredictable, which is why we like him. It also might be why if/when he ever leaves we will be shocked.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 10:42:36 AM
The DFW Metroplex is one of the fastest growing areas in the country.  Insulting Dallas with Ft Worth is funny b/c it is part of what the Metroplex offers.  The Metroplex has a vibrant economy based upon tech, telecom, energy, banking, and transportation.  

In contrast, Milwaukee has been shrinking since the 60's.  Milwaukee has ???? to attract new businesses and residents.  

source:  http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20100324-Dallas-Fort-Worth-area-topping-the-7663.ece


OK, this is nice....somewhat inaccurate since the Milwaukee metropolitan area has been steadily growing for decades....but not sure how this is relevant to a basketball coach.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:51:57 AM
The DFW Metroplex is one of the fastest growing areas in the country.  Insulting Dallas with Ft Worth is funny b/c it is part of what the Metroplex offers.  The Metroplex has a vibrant economy based upon tech, telecom, energy, banking, and transportation.  

In contrast, Milwaukee has been shrinking since the 60's.  Milwaukee has ???? to attract new businesses and residents.  

source:  http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/dallas/headlines/20100324-Dallas-Fort-Worth-area-topping-the-7663.ece

If you think this is a reason for a head basketball coach to want the SMU job, then why only go after Buzz?  Go after Tom Izzo, Jim Boeheim, Jim Colhoun, Bill Self, Rick Pitino, Tom Crean, Thad Motta, John Calipari or Bo Ryan?  They all coach in crap hole dying northern cities.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 11:04:06 AM

OK, this is nice....somewhat inaccurate since the Milwaukee metropolitan area has been steadily growing for decades....but not sure how this is relevant to a basketball coach.

A prior post suggested Dallas was somehow stagnant.  Certainly not.  I didn't want to take a shot at Milwaukee. I am sure it is a nice place and people enjoy living there.  

Think about it this way.  Could MU normally steal the head coach from Duke/NC/UCLA/KY after a great season there? Almost certainly not.  

BUT, if that coach  grew up in Milwaukee (and his wife was from Wisconsin), had family there, and liked it, would he consider leaving for MU if they made it worth his while and made a commitment to give him the tools he needs to succeed?  Under that scenario, you "might" give a different answer.

Will SMU get Buzz?  The fans actually don't care.  We are enjoying the fact that:
1) we are finally going to escape CUSA where we are forced to play schools that our fans could care less about;
2) we are joining a great conference with good universities that we respect academically (except for a couple of schools which shall remain nameless); and
3) we are purging the last self imposed handcuffs placed on our teams by the administration after the DP.  

If we don't get Buzz, we will get someone good b/c we aren't going to settle for the HC of a third-tier school.

Peace.  

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mviale on March 25, 2012, 11:14:39 AM
A prior post suggested Dallas was somehow stagnant.  Certainly not.  I didn't want to take a shot at Milwaukee. I am sure it is a nice place and people enjoy living there.  

Think about it this way.  Could MU normally steal the head coach from Duke/NC/UCLA/KY after a great season there? Almost certainly not.  

BUT, if that coach  grew up in Milwaukee (and his wife was from Wisconsin), had family there, and liked it, would he consider leaving for MU if they made it worth his while and made a commitment to give him the tools he needs to succeed?  Under that scenario, you "might" give a different answer.

Will SMU get Buzz?  The fans actually don't care.  We are enjoying the fact that:
1) we are finally going to escape CUSA where we are forced to play schools that our fans could care less about;
2) we are joining a great conference with good universities that we respect academically (except for a couple of schools which shall remain nameless); and
3) we are purging the last self imposed handcuffs placed on our teams by the administration after the DP.  

If we don't get Buzz, we will get someone good b/c we aren't going to settle for the HC of a third-tier school.

Peace.  


  I would like to say that Jake Thomas has Jimmer range. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 11:31:07 AM
If we don't get Buzz, we will get someone good b/c we aren't going to settle for the HC of a third-tier school.

Buzz was an assistant when we hired him.  Before him Tom Crean was an assistant when we hired him.  So was Kevin O'Neill, Hank Raymonds and Rick Majerus when we hired them way back when.  Promoting assistants has been more effective for our program than hiring existing head coaches (Dukiet and Deane).

It is very common for second tier teams to hire young up and coming assistants as their head coach and watch them take their program to the next level.  In fact I would argue it is more common than not.

You latest description of SMU is a good reason to talk to the assistant coach from a top basketball school about your head coaching job.  

We have a good assistant on our staff that he now ready to take the reins as a head coach, Tony Benford.  He makes more sense for SMU than Buzz.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Clarence on March 25, 2012, 11:54:32 AM
So in the unlikely sceario that Buzz leaves, who is at the top of our list?

Bennett? Jeter? McCaffrey? Wardle? Aki Collins????
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 25, 2012, 12:10:12 PM
So, a school wants to join a major conference and needs to go through a series of votes and payments to get fully admitted, and the first thing they want to do is steal a head coach from one of the established members who also has a strong voting block?  Good luck with that SMU and the Big East.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 12:17:59 PM
BUT, if that coach  grew up in Milwaukee (and his wife was from Wisconsin), had family there, and liked it, would he consider leaving for MU if they made it worth his while and made a commitment to give him the tools he needs to succeed?  Under that scenario, you "might" give a different answer.


Tony Bennett supposedly wasn't interested in the Marquette job.  Buzz supposedly turned down interest in the A&M job.  Sometimes that stuff can be overrated. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 25, 2012, 12:19:52 PM
Why would Buzz leave when he just got his garage painted?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: LAZER on March 25, 2012, 12:40:18 PM
IWB Tweet:

"SMU is talking and Buzz Williams is listening.  Get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans, this is more than just a rumor #mubb"

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mviale on March 25, 2012, 12:44:39 PM
IWB Tweet:

"SMU is talking and Buzz Williams is listening.  Get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans, this is more than just a rumor #mubb"


Smart to listen. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 12:45:33 PM
IWB Tweet:

"SMU is talking and Buzz Williams is listening.  Get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans, this is more than just a rumor #mubb"



Yep, I hate to say it, but i THINK MU is going to need a new BB Coach. Thanks Larry Williams.  >:(
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 12:46:02 PM
Again you way over estimate money.  It matters to a point and MU is at that point for basketball.  Doubling or tripling the endowment would not change anything for the basketball program.

The largest endowment in the Big East is ND ($6.26 billion in 2011).  I don't see them blowing the doors of the rest of the conference.  Would you rather be them or MU (in basketball)?

Northwestern has the second biggest endowment in the Big 10, just after Michigan (Michigan $7.8 billion, NU $7.2 billion).  How has this helped their revenue sports programs?

Duke has the largest endowment in the ACC ($5.75 billion).  Is this money the reason for their basketball success?  Why doesn't this money mean a better football program?

Endowment is the wrong metric.  It's well-heeded patrons of the sport.  See Boone Pickens and his support of Oklahoma State football.

MU has Dick Strong.

Lastly, SMU has a large endowment when measured against MU.  But at $1.2 billion fully 59 schools have larger endowments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment

Again, you are missing the point.  The endowment has nothing to do with the hiring of the coach directly. It does have much to do, however, with the commitment level of the people toward their school.  SMU is flush with cash.  Any hiring of a coach will not be paid for by the school, it will be paid for by the alumni.  MU, despite being 30 years older, the same size school as SMU doesn't have football, has an endowment that is 30% what SMU's is, and I guarantee you the financial demographic profile of the students (future alumni) is nowhere near SMU's.  SMU has a rich kid rep because they are rich and upper crest.  Nothing wrong with that.  Solid school.  

Their school is ranked 62nd academically.  http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp%2B50/page+2

Marquette is ranked 82nd academically  http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/spp%2B50/page+2

They have a lot going for them.  Highly doubt Buzz is going to SMU considering what he has here, but crapping on SMU makes no sense to me.   I also find ridiculous the comments that they are going to be DePaul.  SMU will spend vast resources to make sure that doesn't happen.  There is more money in SMU then MU can dream of.  That is a fact that you choose to deny only because of a bias you have.  They will land a decent coach because they have money to spend to get it done.

For those ripping on Texas, each to their own.  Nicer weather, no state income taxes, fertal recruiting grounds, and it's home for some people.  Never underestimate that.  Everyone has their own touchpoints for any of us to pretend we know what someone else's touch point might be is a guess only.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2012, 12:46:54 PM
IWB Tweet:

"SMU is talking and Buzz Williams is listening.  Get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans, this is more than just a rumor #mubb"

Gee thanks IWB...now the board will go into meltdown mode.  FWIW, I don't think Buzz goes anywhere.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 12:48:35 PM
If you think this is a reason for a head basketball coach to want the SMU job, then why only go after Buzz?  Go after Tom Izzo, Jim Boeheim, Jim Colhoun, Bill Self, Rick Pitino, Tom Crean, Thad Motta, John Calipari or Bo Ryan?  They all coach in crap hole dying northern cities.


Because none of them are from Texas.  Why do you keep missing this?  When we hired a Texas coach, you live with the risk that he isn't a midwest guy.  Crean is a midwest guy, so is Izzo and Matta.  Ryan is a Philly guy but living in Wisconsin for 30 years. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 25, 2012, 12:49:07 PM
IWB Tweet:

"SMU is talking and Buzz Williams is listening.  Get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans, this is more than just a rumor #mubb"



Does anybody have Larry Williams' email?  We need to flood his inbox and let him know that if SM f*cking U is able to steal MU's best head coach since Al for no other reason than because our AD is a twatface that he will find himself quickly unemployed.  In much more civil words, of course.  But not much.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 12:50:49 PM
Gee thanks IWB...now the board will go into meltdown mode.  FWIW, I don't think Buzz goes anywhere.

PRN will have to cancel his tickets.  What was the quote, "I will stay as long as MU will have me".  Meltdown won't begin to cover it.  Maybe he is angling for another raise, like the previous coach used to do and get blasted here for it.  You have to admit it, there is some exception irony going on in all this.

Get out the popcorn


(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/popcorn_yes.gif)
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 12:51:35 PM
Does anybody have Larry Williams' email?  We need to flood his inbox and let him know that if SM f*cking U is able to steal MU's best head coach since Al for no other reason than because our AD is a twatface that he will find himself quickly unemployed.  In much more civil words, of course.  But not much.

I thought O'Neill was our best coach since Al?   ::)
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 12:53:27 PM
PRN will have to cancel his tickets.  What was the quote, "I will stay as long as MU will have me".  Meltdown won't begin to cover it.  Maybe he is angling for another raise, like the previous coach used to do and get blasted here for it.  You have to admit it, there is some exception irony going on in all this.

Get out the popcorn


(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/popcorn_yes.gif)

I used to actually believe you weren't Chicos...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 12:53:51 PM
Does anybody have Larry Williams' email?  We need to flood his inbox and let him know that if SM f*cking U is able to steal MU's best head coach since Al for no other reason than because our AD is a twatface that he will find himself quickly unemployed.  In much more civil words, of course.  But not much.


If Buzz leaves to SMU I will place the blame completely upon him.  This would be a worse exodus than Crean by far.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 12:54:57 PM
Does anybody have Larry Williams' email?  We need to flood his inbox and let him know that if SM f*cking U is able to steal MU's best head coach since Al for no other reason than because our AD is a twatface that he will find himself quickly unemployed.  In much more civil words, of course.  But not much.


Williams, Mr. Lawrence (Larry)
Vice President and Director of Intercollegiate Athletics
Intercollegiate Athletics
lawrence.williams@marquette.edu
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 12:58:04 PM
I used to actually believe you weren't Chicos...

IWB says it could be a bumpy ride.  I essentially say the same thing and now the conspiracy claims come out again.

By the way, can you explain to me how he was at the game the other day taking these pictures (nice seats he had) while I was here on chat with Hilltopper and the rest of the group during the game?

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2012/03/disappointing-end-to-successful-season.html


Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2012, 12:58:28 PM
If Buzz leaves to SMU I will place the blame completely upon him.  This would be a worse exodus than Crean by far.

Well, I would hope Buzz would handle the PR aspect of it better than Crean did.  But in terms of where a coach is coming from and going too, it would be a huge slap in the face.

But otherwise I agree, if there is BW/LW friction, it is likely because of discipline and/or program perception issues.  And those come from real incidents, involving kids that Buzz brought in.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 01:00:04 PM
Well either the man is the kind of liar that would make Gary Barnett and Nick Saban blush, or we've got our balls in a bunch for nothing.
Buzz Williams, Nov. 2011:

“I don’t ever want to be labeled, and just because I’m from Texas doesn’t mean I should work in Texas,” Williams said. “I’m not leaving Junior Cadougan. I’m not leaving Chris [Otule]. I’m not leaving Jae. I’m not leaving DJ [Darius Johnson-Odom]. And no dollar amount is gonna make me leave them.

“And that may mean we get our ass beat all year long this year, I don’t know,” he continued. “But like momma says, ‘Don’t mess with happy,’ and I’m happy.”


p.s. If he does leave, don't blame Larry Williams.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: buckchuckler on March 25, 2012, 01:00:55 PM
Leaving MU would not be a slap at your school.  Texans love living in TX.  I cannot wait to return.SMU is a great school in a great, growing city. Like it or not, the population in this country is shifting towards places like Dallas.

SMU has (or will have) great facilities for basketballl.  There is no reason he cannot succeed with the resources he will have.  With the move to the Big East, the school is stepping up to rebuild our BB program.   Buzz or no Buzz, we won't be Depaul. 

As for academics, there were three SMU alums in my graduate school class at Yale.  In my fraternity alone, we had people admitted to law/b-school school at UT, Vandy, Harvard, Yale, SMU, Stanford, and various medical schools.  

Finally, while there are certainly rich kids at SMU (my girlfriend got a diamond faced Rolex for graduation), most of the students come from middle class families.  As a little girl, my mother was a migrant farm worker in South Texas with the other Mexican immigrants.  Despite being a minority and middle class (mom is a public school teacher), SMU students were universally welcoming.  



You're right.  DePaul at least has tradition on their side. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:02:07 PM
Well, I would hope Buzz would handle the PR aspect of it better than Crean did.  But in terms of where a coach is coming from and going too, it would be a huge slap in the face.

But otherwise I agree, if there is BW/LW friction, it is likely because of discipline and/or program perception issues.  And those come from real incidents, involving kids that Buzz brought in.

Sultan may also be talking about how Williams was just hired a few months ago.  Does someone leave because of a new boss only a few months ago?  It takes two parties to form a relationship, not just one.  So Buzz would be partly culpable in that relationship.  That is how I read Sultan's comments.  

Slap in the face doesn't begin to cut it.  One leaving for one of the blue blood programs and the other leaving for SMU.  No comparison.  I still contend that in today's 24/7 media cycle, coaches will continue to get burned when they take new jobs, often before letting their team or university know.  That is going to be the new norm.  If Buzz leaves after just 4 years having been handed a Big East job with only one year of HC experience under his belt (a losing record at New Orleans) it would be quite the statement.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MattyWarrior on March 25, 2012, 01:02:12 PM
So we will go thru this crap every time we have a good year. Buzz is def in the drivers seat now, and I get the feeling that
at some point he will want to get back to his roots and Larry Williams could care less.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:03:21 PM


p.s. If he does leave, don't blame Larry Williams.

Very well said.  This would be Buzz decision, Larry Williams isn't driving him out.  I don't think this happens, but if it did, would not be Larry Williams fault.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 01:05:09 PM
IWB says it could be a bumpy ride.  I essentially say the same thing and now the conspiracy claims come out again.

By the way, can you explain to me how he was at the game the other day taking these pictures (nice seats he had) while I was here on chat with Hilltopper and the rest of the group during the game?

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2012/03/disappointing-end-to-successful-season.html




It would be awesome if somone invented some kind of portable device that one could carry into an arena, and use to take photos and chat online.
Oh well, maybe someday.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 01:06:32 PM
Sultan may also be talking about how Williams was just hired a few months ago.  Does someone leave because of a new boss only a few months ago?  It takes two parties to form a relationship, not just one.  So Buzz would be partly culpable in that relationship.  That is how I read Sultan's comments.  


That's part of it yeah...but also if Buzz is upset because he doesn't have Cottingham around, who was a guy who clearly had to go, and is chafing in working for a guy who holds him to a higher standard, then well...

Look, I love Buzz and want him here for a long time.  But he's not irreplaceable.  MU is bigger than a coach....three of our last four have gotten us into the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:08:04 PM
For fun, what is the tax situation in Texas vs Wisconsin on a salary because of Texas having no state income taxes?

On $2,000,000 salary

Net pay for Texas would be $1,290,367.30

Same salary in Wisconsin would be $1,138,156.68

A difference of $152,000

Over a 5 year period, that's $760K in added income.  $1.52Million over 10 years.

Not chump change
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: ecompt on March 25, 2012, 01:08:23 PM
It is impossible to overestimate how much of a slap in the face a move to SMU would be. We would forever be looked at as a steppingstone job. SMU? Their program is a bad joke.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 25, 2012, 01:09:12 PM
yep, if he leaves now - he would be fraud just like all of the other phony coaches who say quotes like this...

Well either the man is the kind of liar that would make Gary Barnett and Nick Saban blush, or we've got our balls in a bunch for nothing.
Buzz Williams, Nov. 2011:

“I don’t ever want to be labeled, and just because I’m from Texas doesn’t mean I should work in Texas,” Williams said. “I’m not leaving Junior Cadougan. I’m not leaving Chris [Otule]. I’m not leaving Jae. I’m not leaving DJ [Darius Johnson-Odom]. And no dollar amount is gonna make me leave them.

“And that may mean we get our ass beat all year long this year, I don’t know,” he continued. “But like momma says, ‘Don’t mess with happy,’ and I’m happy.”


p.s. If he does leave, don't blame Larry Williams.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
For fun, what is the tax situation in Texas vs Wisconsin on a salary because of Texas having no state income taxes?

On $2,000,000 salary

Net pay for Texas would be $1,290,367.30

Same salary in Wisconsin would be $1,138,156.68

A difference of $152,000

Over a 5 year period, that's $760K in added income.  $1.52Million over 10 years.

Not chump change


This is silly.  If it came down to this, MU would bump him $200k to make it even.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:12:21 PM
It would be awesome if somone invented some kind of portable device that one could carry into an arena, and use to take photos and chat online.
Oh well, maybe someday.

That would be awesome, but two things that I would contend on this.

1) Do you really think he would be on chat while watching a game in the stands?  I don't.
2)  More importantly,  the chat on Scoop is run on Adobe Flash.  iPhones don't work on flash.  I happen to know he uses an iPhone because I have received emails from him from time to time. I received one from him that day because I was having issues with my account here and I emailed him for Hilltopper's email address and he responded back from his iPhone with that email address.

Kind of hard to use a phone to do chat during a game that doesn't support adobe flash that the chat is run on which his mobile device doesn't have.  

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 01:13:27 PM
This wouldn't look good for Buzz. First, it would be a shocking switch and would highlight the off-court issues of the past couple years of players HE brought in. That alone will make him look bad and as though he is running away. Take that along with the exceptional challenge of turning around a program with no history (something he never had to do at Marquette), and it could be a career killer.

Honestly if he leaves simply because the administration is being a bit hard on him lately for legitimately concerning off court issues, f*** him.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:13:32 PM
You're right.  DePaul at least has tradition on their side. 

Tradition is overblown.  Florida basketball, where was their tradition prior to Billy Donovan?  Yet in the last 10 years they have three Final Fours (blew a 4th yesterday) and two national championships.  Tradition can be made anywhere.  Boise State football anyone?  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 01:13:55 PM
I would definitely say Larry Williams would have some of the blame.  Of course he wouldn't be responsible for all of the blame, but let's be honest here, Buzz Williams, not Larry Williams or Fr. Pillarz, is the face of Marquette University.  Larry Williams came in and within months is talking about how Buzz needs to change his ways or he will either kill himself or insult somebody beyond repair, and he does this in public, to a newspaper.  That is something you sit him down in your office and tell him.  It was a complete douche move.  Buzz apologized over and over and it should have been done at that, but then Larry decides he needs the limelight to bash Buzz and brings the issue back into focus.  This was a guy who danced due to an emotional win, not some guy who molested ball boys.  It should have been a non-issue after Buzz's apologies in the post game press conference, but Larry went ahead and blew it up.  It was dumb and he was trying to prove he has power above Buzz.  Buzz would be saying "Take this for power."

I don't remember Cottingham ever doing anything like that.  Buzz certainly danced against Louisville a couple years ago, and that was while the game was still going on and we were up twenty points.  Larry Williams reacted ridiculously to Buzz's dance.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:14:10 PM

That's part of it yeah...but also if Buzz is upset because he doesn't have Cottingham around, who was a guy who clearly had to go, and is chafing in working for a guy who holds him to a higher standard, then well...

Look, I love Buzz and want him here for a long time.  But he's not irreplaceable.  MU is bigger than a coach....three of our last four have gotten us into the Sweet 16.

So well said.  Should be pinned to the top of the board.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 01:14:40 PM
From PonyPride.com (the SMU Scout forum... and I'm not going to pony up the $9.95 to get the details).

Preparing for Buzz

by Armen Williams
An annual salary of at least $2.6 million is only the start of all the perks SMU is willing to give Marquette's Buzz Williams. Find out what the Ponies putting together, inside!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 25, 2012, 01:14:50 PM
Buzz ain't goin' anywhere. And he sure as sh!t isn't goin' to SMU.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mviale on March 25, 2012, 01:15:25 PM
It would be devastating. but SMU buzz?

Here is the complete list of Sweet Sixteen appearances by school:

    Kentucky: 43
    North Carolina: 32
    Kansas: 27
    Louisville: 24
    Indiana: 21
    Syracuse: 20
    Michigan State: 16
    Marquette: 15
    Ohio State: 14
    Cincinnati: 11
    North Carolina State: 11
    Florida: 8
    Wisconsin: 6
    Xavier: 6
    Baylor: 4
    Ohio: 3
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:15:49 PM

This is silly.  If it came down to this, MU would bump him $200k to make it even.

I realize this, I'm just saying wealth is driven by a number of things.  If money is important you have to look at where you live and the tradeoffs.  For the people here ripping on the state of Texas, there are many attractive reasons to go to Texas and taxation is just one of them.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 01:16:14 PM
That would be awesome, but two things that I would contend on this.

1) Do you really think he would be on chat while watching a game in the stands?  I don't.

Oh God, yes.

Quote
2)  More importantly,  the chat on Scoop is run on Adobe Flash.  iPhones don't work on flash.  I happen to know he uses an iPhone because I have received emails from him from time to time. I received one from him that day because I was having issues with my account here and I emailed him for Hilltopper's email address and he responded back from his iPhone with that email address.

There's an app for that.


Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: nyg on March 25, 2012, 01:17:43 PM

If Buzz leaves to SMU I will place the blame completely upon him.  This would be a worse exodus than Crean by far.

Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"?  To SMU?  You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke.  Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:18:25 PM
It would be devastating. but SMU buzz?

Here is the complete list of Sweet Sixteen appearances by school:

    Kentucky: 43
    North Carolina: 32
    Kansas: 27
    Louisville: 24
    Indiana: 21
    Syracuse: 20
    Michigan State: 16
    Marquette: 15
    Ohio State: 14
    Cincinnati: 11
    North Carolina State: 11
    Florida: 8
    Wisconsin: 6
    Xavier: 6
    Baylor: 4
    Ohio: 3


In the last 20 years, MU's sweet 16 appearances is 4.  Where is UCLA on that list?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:19:51 PM
Oh God, yes.

There's an app for that.




Please show me the app.  I would love to get it for my iPad and iPhone.

I think you're wrong by the way, only because I know who I am, I know where I was Thursday night and I know I can't have an outer body experience and be in two places 1,500 miles apart. There's that.   ::)
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 25, 2012, 01:19:57 PM
Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"?  To SMU?  You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke.  Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?

Where did you hear that "he is listening"?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mviale on March 25, 2012, 01:20:08 PM
Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"?  To SMU?  You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke.  Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?
You have to listen.  Its about relationships. However, it upsets me.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
In the last 20 years, MU's sweet 16 appearances is 4. 

You seem to relish this point.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 01:21:12 PM
Where did you hear that "he is listening"?

IWB

https://twitter.com/theIWB/status/183968775048142848
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 25, 2012, 01:22:50 PM
IWB

https://twitter.com/theIWB/status/183968775048142848

Hmmm..not gunna lie, I am still far from concerned. Buzz isn't going to SMU.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
Texas is one thing, but SMU?  This would make Marquette ball look pretty bad.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:24:10 PM
You seem to relish this point.

Not really.  Pointing out that tradition is a wonderful argument.  Navy and Army have a great tradition in football.  They've won more national titles than most schools even today.  What does it mean when it happened so long ago?

MU has done some great things since 2002 and I have been very pleased with the comeback we have had.  However, all of that has to be put in perspective when talking about a laundry list of accomplishments going back a half century or more.  I remember Crean or Deane saying that all this history MU has means something to the parents and grandparents of recruits, not the recruits because they weren't even born yet.  The great news is that we have a Final Four and two Sweet 16's in the last ten years which has opened up opportunities with recruits we didn't have before.  That is what current recruits care about, not what we did in the 1970's.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:24:57 PM
Where did you hear that "he is listening"?

IWB's twitter
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mviale on March 25, 2012, 01:28:17 PM
I think Williams has more cache than Crean these days.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: chapman on March 25, 2012, 01:29:32 PM
Texas is one thing, but SMU?  This would make Marquette ball look pretty bad. 

Agree.  There is nothing SMU offers in compensation or in program that MU isn't able to meet or exceed - and most of what SMU would need to offer is in promises, aka IOUs, whereas MU already has it in place for the program to utilize.  If he leaves it isn't about SMU, it's about not wanting to be here.     


Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"?  To SMU?  You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke.  Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?

He can listen all he wants.  For all we know he's making sure they have enough to offer to give a coach the opportunity to be successful - so he can feel good about pitching Benford to them.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 01:30:27 PM
I think Williams has more cache than Crean these days.

Nationally or at MU?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: HoopsMalone on March 25, 2012, 01:34:25 PM
Doesn't Buzz take everyone's call and answer anyone's email?   Not a big surprise that he would respectfully listen to anyone who calls.  Buzz is never going to act like he is too good for anyone or any place.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: spartan3186 on March 25, 2012, 01:34:50 PM
Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"?  To SMU?  You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke.  Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?

Are you saying that if a small start-up company in your industry came to you and offered you an equivalent position with an increased salary you would not listen? Add to the equation a move back to your home state where both your family and your spouse's family live?

I don't know about you, but I would certainly consider it.

Obviously there are a lot of other things that go into the equation, but I think most people here would listen.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 01:34:58 PM
Buzz has been very unhappy for several months and that has been my concern all along. I do believe that the brass at MU think that being SLU would be good enough for its fans. They saw the bad press last year, the Penn State mess, change in our conference and got scared. They do not think they need a $2.6 million coach and especially one they believe is a loose cannon.
I fear the .1% that Buzz just tells them see you later. If he leaves to crap job it is 100% on the shoulders of the adminstration. I have been harping on this for two months because I think the school thinks its supporters are all suckers. I said a month ago I hope I am wrong...but if he even listens to crap jobs it shows serious trouble.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 25, 2012, 01:36:21 PM
If he leaves it isn't about SMU, it's about not wanting to be here.


and that is what is silly - this move would be:

1) A epic blow to MU's bball program and reputation
2) A goofy move by Buzz - he could do much better for himself than SMU
3) Show that the AD issues are true
4) Show that all the Buzzism's really are just another layer of coach speak versus being real...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 01:37:43 PM
Buzz has been very unhappy for several months and that has been my concern all along. I do believe that the brass at MU think that being SLU would be good enough for its fans. They saw the bad press last year, the Penn State mess, change in our conference and got scared. They do not think they need a $2.6 million coach and especially one they believe is a loose cannon.
I fear the .1% that Buzz just tells them see you later. If he leaves to crap job it is 100% on the shoulders of the adminstration. I have been harping on this for two months because I think the school thinks its supporters are all suckers. I said a month ago I hope I am wrong...but if he even listens to crap jobs it shows serious trouble.

No they do not.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 25, 2012, 01:40:35 PM
Buzz has been very unhappy for several months and that has been my concern all along. I do believe that the brass at MU think that being SLU would be good enough for its fans. They saw the bad press last year, the Penn State mess, change in our conference and got scared. They do not think they need a $2.6 million coach and especially one they believe is a loose cannon.
I fear the .1% that Buzz just tells them see you later. If he leaves to crap job it is 100% on the shoulders of the adminstration. I have been harping on this for two months because I think the school thinks its supporters are all suckers. I said a month ago I hope I am wrong...but if he even listens to crap jobs it shows serious trouble.

Just curious, because I usually don't read threads about our athletic department, Buzz leaving to school X, our AD, etc....what makes you think Buzz has been unhappy? And what is he unhappy about? Again, sorry for my ignorance...I usually just don't concern myself with matters unrelated to the team on the court. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 01:40:43 PM
He is listening because he feels slighted and his balls were squeezed. Nobody wants to be bashed by their boss in public or be mandated on how to run a program. Last years assault scared the hell out of the school and they ran scared. Buzz has too much power and too big of a salary for what the school wants from the program.
If Buzz leaves you can say goodbye to a major basketball program. For Buzz even to listen to crap jobs is him fighting back against the brass. I said earlier he is loose cannon and the ball squeezers might learn how loose.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 01:43:22 PM
He is listening because he feels slighted and his balls were squeezed. Nobody wants to be bashed by their boss in public or be mandated on how to run a program. Last years assault scared the hell out of the school and they ran scared. Buzz has too much power and too big of a salary for what the school wants from the program.
If Buzz leaves you can say goodbye to a major basketball program. For Buzz even to listen to crap jobs is him fighting back against the brass. I said earlier he is loose cannon and the ball squeezers might learn how loose.

Yep, believe me.....if Buzz goes, it's not because Buzz wants to, it's because the Admin has told him to go. They are apparently unhappy with some things regarding Buzz, so I guess they want to go back to being a non relevant hoops school.  >:(
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 01:45:55 PM
I'm a little nervous now. Buzz is a wildcard. Who the hell knows.

BTW, does stop the: "I'll be here as long as they will have me" worship?

I like Buzz a lot, but he's like a lot of other coaches.

If Buzz and his family find a gig more attractive than MU, he'll leave. That's it. End of story. It might be this year, it might be 20 years from now, but it's the truth.



Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.

Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 01:48:40 PM
If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.

Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.

So the President from Georgetown and the Athletic Director from Notre Dame don't think major athletics are important?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 25, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
"I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons."

Care to elaborate - or are just going off a newspaper article?


I remember the "never know when it's going to end" quote.  That seemed odd at that time

However - if the rumors of what happened at 720 are true, a 1/2 game suspension is laughable and if Buzz leaves for that, then he probably is not right coach for MU...
 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 25, 2012, 01:51:59 PM
Again, Goose...what makes you think Buzz is so unhappy?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2012, 01:52:08 PM
I'm a little nervous now. Buzz is a wildcard. Who the hell knows.

BTW, does stop the: "I'll be here as long as they will have me" worship?

I like Buzz a lot, but he's like a lot of other coaches.

If Buzz and his family find a gig more attractive than MU, he'll leave. That's it. End of story. It might be this year, it might be 20 years from now, but it's the truth.





If he leaves, it will seem that the "they" in "I'll stay here as long as they'll have me" turned out to not just be Marquette, but Cottingham as well.

When Buzz bailed on New Orleans, his distaste with the administration became public knowledge.  If he leaves for SMU, I'd assume any disagreements with the Larry Williams would as well.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 01:52:42 PM
Yep, believe me.....if Buzz goes, it's not because Buzz wants to, it's because the Admin has told him to go.


So now it's not just that Buzz is unhappy...it's that the administration *wants* him gone???  I seriously doubt that's the case.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 25, 2012, 01:54:05 PM
So the President from Georgetown and the Athletic Director from Notre Dame don't think major athletics are important?

Sleeper agents sent to destroy MU hoops
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 01:55:54 PM
Buzz is exactly the right coach for MU if we want to be elite. If we want to put out mid major product Buzz is not the right guy. Before anyone says it.....no one mention names like Wardle or Jeter for replacement if Buzz should leave. It is those kind of names that makes us a mid major.

All BS aside....if MU wants to be elite they make Buzz happy. He has done more in last couple of years than I though possible in regards to talent upgrade. I do not want to be SLU or whatever mid major program you want to pick. I hope we all want to be big time elite.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MuMark on March 25, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
You don't think they can figure out that MU fans and alumns weren't overly supportive in the days of Mike Deane? Before Crean got here we were an SLU level program and the fans were pissed off about it.

If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.

Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 01:57:38 PM
I'm a little nervous now. Buzz is a wildcard. Who the hell knows.

BTW, does stop the: "I'll be here as long as they will have me" worship?

I like Buzz a lot, but he's like a lot of other coaches.

If Buzz and his family find a gig more attractive than MU, he'll leave. That's it. End of story. It might be this year, it might be 20 years from now, but it's the truth.






That last, bolded part is the part to focus on.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2012, 01:58:38 PM
If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.

Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.

I don't see why Larry Williams would take the job if the administration wants to 'downgrade' the only sport anyone cares about.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 02:00:20 PM
Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 02:02:55 PM
Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.


OK, so why are they scared of him?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 02:04:35 PM
Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.

How do you even believe what you are saying? 99% of fans would be totally cool with going to the tourney once  every, what?, 10 years? You don't go to 7 straight NCAAs and 2 straight Sweet 16's and somehow lower fans expectations of the program.  Basketball is also one of, if not their best, fundraising tool.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: jficke13 on March 25, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
Goose and other Buzz is leaving paranoid alarmists - I hope you all are ready for a big helping of crow when he stays.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 02:06:24 PM
I am sorry but except for vocal minority most fans accepted our down time too easily. There is a segment of people, myself included, that wants and expects elite status. Vast majority believe S16 is playing with house money. The school understands that most fans do not think we can be elite...so why risk it?

It all comes down to what expectations of program are going forward. This idiot wanted us to reach for the stars during last hiring process like SMU apparently is doing now. Being SLU and paying coach accordingly is not stupid idea....just not one I want to see us make. If we do not think we can be elite in next five years w do not need Buzz.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MuMark on March 25, 2012, 02:06:34 PM
Dick Strong pays his salary not the school.....This is not about money.

Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 02:08:10 PM
I am sorry but except for vocal minority most fans accepted our down time too easily. There is a segment of people, myself included, that wants and expects elite status. Vast majority believe S16 is playing with house money. The school understands that most fans do not think we can be elite...so why risk it?

It all comes down to what expectations of program are going forward. This idiot wanted us to reach for the stars during last hiring process like SMU apparently is doing now. Being SLU and paying coach accordingly is not stupid idea....just not one I want to see us make. If we do not think we can be elite in next five years w do not need Buzz.

Ha, and that went sooo porrly didn't it?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 02:09:33 PM
Law warrior....I have said a dozen times I want to eat crow. But also know I would feel horrible if we lost Buzz for wrong reason. Would feel worse if we lost Buzz for wrong reason and nobody why.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Da 'Lanche on March 25, 2012, 02:12:32 PM
1.  I hardly believe MU administration doesn't care if basketball program is "downgraded" now that the Big East is changing in landscape.   Men's BB is the golden goose for the entire athletic department and the recent resurgence (from crean to Buzz) only highlights its importance and the possibility to maintain top 20 status for the program.

2.  If Buzz were to leave because the administration is "squeezing" him to hold his players more accountable off the court then he is a hypocrite to what he preaches and I am fine with him leaving.    

3.  If he leaves, my search would begin and end with Shaka Smart who has roots in the state is a hot commodity and was listening to Illinois job.

I love Buzz and hope he is at MU for a long time...but if he goes, he goes.  I'm not going to blame administration of the university unless they hire a clunker to replace him.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 02:21:46 PM

That last, bolded part is the part to focus on.

They (MU) just gave him a big contract last year.

I realize Larry and Buzz might not be best friends, but if Buzz leaves, this reeks of "Fine, I'll take my ball and go home".

They need to work it out. I don't know Larry, but he seems pretty competent and qualified. He and Buzz need to work it out if that is a real issue.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 25, 2012, 02:24:43 PM
I think we're all getting worried again for nothing, but I guess we will just have to wait and see. I agree though that the boys not being held accountable would be a big issue. Nothing we say on here will help us keep Buzz around. I highly doubt that Larry would want to lose Buzz.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 02:26:21 PM
1.  I hardly believe MU administration doesn't care if basketball program is "downgraded" now that the Big East is changing in landscape.   Men's BB is the golden goose for the entire athletic department and the recent resurgence (from crean to Buzz) only highlights its importance and the possibility to maintain top 20 status for the program.

2.  If Buzz were to leave because the administration is "squeezing" him to hold his players more accountable off the court then he is a hypocrite to what he preaches and I am fine with him leaving.    

3.  If he leaves, my search would begin and end with Shaka Smart who has roots in the state is a hot commodity and was listening to Illinois job.

I love Buzz and hope he is at MU for a long time...but if he goes, he goes.  I'm not going to blame administration of the university unless they hire a clunker to replace him.

Agree.

If he leaves for UT, then I'll shrug it off as a promotion and the nature of the business.

If he leaves for SMU, it just seems more selfish, right? Either he is going for the $, or because he's mad at MU.

Just doesn't sit well for me. In fact, I don't even like the idea that he is "listening". I mean, he just got a BIG contract last year.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 02:27:27 PM
"Being here as long as I'm wanted" is open to interpretation. Assume Buzz was instructed to tighten up his guys. That can be construed as I'm no longer wanted.
I repeat, remember neither Pilarz nor Larry had a hand in Buzz' hiring.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 02:34:33 PM
"Being here as long as I'm wanted" is open to interpretation. Assume Buzz was instructed to tighten up his guys. That can be construed as I'm no longer wanted.
I repeat, remember neither Pilarz nor Larry had a hand in Buzz' hiring.

I don't disagree, but there were a lot of people who sprouted wood over that quote.

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 25, 2012, 02:37:26 PM
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?287-Could-Buzz-Williams-leave-Marquette-for-SMU#mubb

IWB just posted this
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MarquetteFan94 on March 25, 2012, 02:41:20 PM
First, I want Buzz to be our coach for the next 20 years.  I believe in his loyalty to MU.  However, the whole "I will be here as long as they have me" thing was said when he just hit the jackpot here; with a diff President and AD.  A lot of people would reevaluate their positions if their first and second line management changed....in any job....especially if your autonomy feels threatened.

If he wants to listen to SMU and is swayed by the $, other supposed perks and the chance to get back to TX then so be it.  Clearly the man works his ass off and will make SMU a respectable, regular NIT/occasional NCAA tournament participant.  That's prob good enough for them.

If he gets that bent out of shape over Larry Williams' public comments about his dance at WVU and/or "loose cannon" personality then he needs to get thicker skin and has a much bigger ego than he leads on.  I honestly would be very surprised if this was the case but I guess it's possible.  Further, if that's the driver to to get him listening to a program like SMU then that's a shame and shows a side of him I didn't think was there.

In a way I would be better with him going somewhere like SMU because it would be viewed nationally as such a random, bad decision (from a pure basketball/program perspective) and would reveal a whole new side to Buzz's character (couldn't resist)....than if he went somewhere like Illinois, etc.

As others have said MU is bigger than one coach.



Title: More fuel to the fire...Buzz
Post by: FF03 on March 25, 2012, 02:42:14 PM
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?287-Could-Buzz-Williams-leave-Marquette-for-SMU#mubb

Not sure if this has been posted yet but here is a story just posted by IWB....all about "relationships" apparently. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 02:45:18 PM
If Buzz took a job like SMU it would make us look like complete idiots. Lose him to UCLA or Kansas outsiders could understand. You tell me what quality coach would come here if he left for SMU? He would not be leaving for money he would be leaving to get the hell out of town. It would be a PR nightmare...only positive for school would be most fans would believe story and become Buzz bashers.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: pbiflyer on March 25, 2012, 02:47:15 PM
So the President from Georgetown and the Athletic Director from Notre Dame don't think major athletics are important?
The President from Scranton and the AD from Portland, you mean.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 02:49:22 PM
Agree.

If he leaves for UT, then I'll shrug it off as a promotion and the nature of the business.

If he leaves for SMU, it just seems more selfish, right? Either he is going for the $, or because he's mad at MU.

Just doesn't sit well for me. In fact, I don't even like the idea that he is "listening". I mean, he just got a BIG contract last year.

Why?  If someone offered you a 30% raise and you didn't particularly like your boss, you wouldn't listen?  I know people question how athletes/coaches can be influenced by money when they're set for life whether their contract says $2 million a year or $2.6 million a year, but what if your salary is currently $75,000 and you were offered $90,000 and a boss who you can get along with a lot better and work with better?  Are you being selfish, or doing what is best for you?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MarquetteFan94 on March 25, 2012, 02:52:01 PM
If Buzz took a job like SMU it would make us look like complete idiots. Lose him to UCLA or Kansas outsiders could understand. You tell me what quality coach would come here if he left for SMU? He would not be leaving for money he would be leaving to get the hell out of town. It would be a PR nightmare...only positive for school would be most fans would believe story and become Buzz bashers.
Just to clarify.....it's Buzz that would look like the idiot.....not MU.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 02:52:12 PM
The President from Scranton and the AD from Portland, you mean.

Nope. Larry came from ND and Pilarz from GTown. Scranton and Portland were stops in between.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: warthog-driver on March 25, 2012, 02:53:02 PM
enticing offer
a whisper can be louder
than the most shrill voice
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: nyg on March 25, 2012, 02:53:39 PM
If Buzz took a job like SMU it would make us look like complete idiots. Lose him to UCLA or Kansas outsiders could understand. You tell me what quality coach would come here if he left for SMU? He would not be leaving for money he would be leaving to get the hell out of town. It would be a PR nightmare...only positive for school would be most fans would believe story and become Buzz bashers.

It would be like Dixon leaving Pitt for Pepperdine because he is from California, or Wright leaving Nova for Manhattan because he is from NY.  If the IWB writeup is correct, all of us mentioning salary, money, etc. are off base. This appears to be a personal issue between Buzz and the AD.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: TJ on March 25, 2012, 02:54:51 PM
This is all so silly.  You should all stop letting the SMU visitors and Goose get to you.  Buzz will be coaching Marquette next year.  And even if he isn't - it's a problem, but it's not the end of the program.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: NersEllenson on March 25, 2012, 02:54:56 PM
I would definitely say Larry Williams would have some of the blame.  Of course he wouldn't be responsible for all of the blame, but let's be honest here, Buzz Williams, not Larry Williams or Fr. Pillarz, is the face of Marquette University.  Larry Williams came in and within months is talking about how Buzz needs to change his ways or he will either kill himself or insult somebody beyond repair, and he does this in public, to a newspaper.  That is something you sit him down in your office and tell him.  It was a complete douche move.  Buzz apologized over and over and it should have been done at that, but then Larry decides he needs the limelight to bash Buzz and brings the issue back into focus.  This was a guy who danced due to an emotional win, not some guy who molested ball boys.  It should have been a non-issue after Buzz's apologies in the post game press conference, but Larry went ahead and blew it up.  It was dumb and he was trying to prove he has power above Buzz.  Buzz would be saying "Take this for power."

I don't remember Cottingham ever doing anything like that.  Buzz certainly danced against Louisville a couple years ago, and that was while the game was still going on and we were up twenty points.  Larry Williams reacted ridiculously to Buzz's dance.

Did this really happen??  The 2nd paragraph stuff I bolded?  If Larry Williams did in fact say that crap, and go overboard on the whole WVU thing - he needs to be fired/replaced immediately.  Period.  You don't come into a place and in 3 months call out your most valuable asset in your department.  Buzz never should have had to apologize for the dance period.  He was celebrating, having fun...national media picked up on it, a lot of people LOVED it..who cares if it offended 5% of the population?  Buzz is single handedly putting MU back on the national stage a la Al McGuire and we have some politically correct "suit" trying to corral what is far and away the most colorful, talented, asset we have as a university??  Please.

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 02:55:56 PM
The President from Scranton and the AD from Portland, you mean.
And the head coach from the University of New Orleans.

This is a stupid argument. Pilarz and LW would have never been hired for their respective positions had they not bowed down at the altar of men's basketball. Allie McGuire and Doc Rivers were on the search committee that hired Williams. Do you think they went after a guy who didn't understand the significance of men's hoops at MU?

Whether those guys do a good job for/with the program is another matter, but it's assinine to suggest they don't recognize its importance.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 02:58:00 PM
Why?  If someone offered you a 30% raise and you didn't particularly like your boss, you wouldn't listen?  I know people question how athletes/coaches can be influenced by money when they're set for life whether their contract says $2 million a year or $2.6 million a year, but what if your salary is currently $75,000 and you were offered $90,000 and a boss who you can get along with a lot better and work with better?  Are you being selfish, or doing what is best for you?

I know what you are saying, I guess my gut reaction feels like it's selfish.

A bigger/better program is a promotion. I get it.

A lesser job for more $ and more power seems hypocritical to what he has been preaching.

Again, this is just my gut reaction. I see your point, I don't really have a good counter for it.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 02:59:01 PM
Right on Ners. Buzz has put us on the map. He apologizing over and over again for the dance was crazy. He had a blast and put us under a spotlight by having fun. it is the PC crowd that freaks when someone is different. Al freaked me out and Buzz is freaking them out. On national scale Buzx has become a star and our AD and President want to throw wet blanket over him. I say stoke the fire and enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 03:00:35 PM
This is all so silly.  You should all stop letting the SMU visitors and Goose get to you.  Buzz will be coaching Marquette next year.  And even if he isn't - it's a problem, but it's not the end of the program.

It's not?? When all the current players leave, and the incoming recruits ask out, and the AD hires a Coach at a lessor salary because he believes MU can never be Elite in hoop so why pay for something you will never get?? Will you be happy with being SLU?? Because that's what the vision is for the admin.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: warthog-driver on March 25, 2012, 03:01:29 PM
the urge to depart
turbulent waters run deep
good men left behind
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 03:02:24 PM
It's not?? When all the current players leave, and the incoming recruits ask out, and the AD hires a Coach at a lessor salary because he believes MU can never be Elite in hoop so why pay for something you will never get?? Will you be happy with being SLU?? Because that's what the vision is for the admin.

WHAT? How do we know that?

MU wants to be SLU?

When did this happen?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: warthog-driver on March 25, 2012, 03:04:18 PM
al's fat disciple
eccentric but talented
feces on towel
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 03:06:51 PM
Muguru...I am not the guy reporting Buzz is talking to SMU. It is amazing how many on hear only want to hear MU stroke off comments. Funny thing is I would say my opinion of Buzz and his program is off the charts positive.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 03:11:02 PM
So in the unlikely sceario that Buzz leaves, who is at the top of our list?

Bennett? Jeter? McCaffrey? Wardle? Aki Collins????

No need for this discussion.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 03:12:11 PM
Muguru...I am not the guy reporting Buzz is talking to SMU. It is amazing how many on hear only want to hear MU stroke off comments. Funny thing is I would say my opinion of Buzz and his program is off the charts positive.


Oh, i know you aren't Goose. I'm sorry if you felt like I was implying you were.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 03:21:33 PM
Right on Ners. Buzz has put us on the map.


Buzz has not "put us on the map."  He didn't take us to our last final four.  He wasn't around when we got invited to the BE.  MU basketball was around before Buzz, it will be around after Buzz.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 03:23:05 PM
Did this really happen??  The 2nd paragraph stuff I bolded?  If Larry Williams did in fact say that crap, and go overboard on the whole WVU thing - he needs to be fired/replaced immediately.  Period.  You don't come into a place and in 3 months call out your most valuable asset in your department.  Buzz never should have had to apologize for the dance period.  He was celebrating, having fun...national media picked up on it, a lot of people LOVED it..who cares if it offended 5% of the population?  Buzz is single handedly putting MU back on the national stage a la Al McGuire and we have some politically correct "suit" trying to corral what is far and away the most colorful, talented, asset we have as a university??  Please.



I agree completely.  Here is the article I am referring to:

http://m.jsonline.com/more/sports/goldeneagles/141323703.htm

The interesting part to me is:

Quote
"I want to hammer out a plan on what we are going to do and what we are not going to do," Williams said.

But as the Golden Eagles start looking ahead to the NCAA men's basketball tournament, Williams already has decided one thing.

"I expect Buzz back. Want him back," Williams said. "I think we started something good with him. . . . I'd be excited to help him grow as a coach."

Last year, Buzz Williams signed a new contract with a rollover that reportedly pays him $2 million a year. Larry Williams did not disclose details of the deal but said Marquette has the coach under contract for multiple years.

Larry Williams, a former professional football player, likes his head coach's zeal for the game. But he was a little concerned when Williams did a little dance on the floor at West Virginia after his Golden Eagles defeated the Mountaineers recently. Buzz Williams quickly apologized.

"He's an emotional guy, passionate guy, but if you're going to have long-term success, you have to channel that and control that," the athletic director said. "He was happy as a clam to dance across the court, but he didn't think about offending somebody else.

"But that is his passion and exuberance. He is either going to explode because his tie is on too tight or he's going to offend somebody that is irrevocable."

I think this whole thing is interesting.  Why do you even have to say that you expect to have Buzz back?  Why even hint that it's possible he leaves when he's already at Marquette?  Then the bolded part is ridiculous.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 03:25:37 PM
Sultan....obviously you are comments have merit. Quick question, has TC put Indiana back on the map? You can fall off face of the earth quickly, look at UCLA. Buzz put a bigger light on the program, especially this season.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 03:29:38 PM
Sultan....obviously you are comments have merit. Quick question, has TC put Indiana back on the map? You can fall off face of the earth quickly, look at UCLA. Buzz put a bigger light on the program, especially this season.


Right...they could fall off the map with the wrong hire.  However, when you have a solid foundation, you can get right back up with the right hire.  We aren't SLU.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 25, 2012, 03:30:58 PM
Why did Larry even say that? Who the hell has he helped grow as a coach? An athletic director doesn't need to be heard. I don't like this self promotion
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: TJ on March 25, 2012, 03:31:12 PM
Sultan....obviously you are comments have merit. Quick question, has TC put Indiana back on the map? You can fall off face of the earth quickly, look at UCLA. Buzz put a bigger light on the program, especially this season.
UCLA has been to 3 of the last 7 Final Fours.  They're having a few down years, but I would hardly say they've fallen off the face of the earth.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 03:31:55 PM
I agree completely.  Here is the article I am referring to:

http://m.jsonline.com/more/sports/goldeneagles/141323703.htm

The interesting part to me is:

I think this whole thing is interesting.  Why do you even have to say that you expect to have Buzz back?  Why even hint that it's possible he leaves when he's already at Marquette?  Then the bolded part is ridiculous.

It's exceptionally unlikely that Buzz Williams is where is today if he were so fragile that those comments would deeply offend him, especially when those comments pretty much parrot everything Buzz said about the dance. Sheesh, the guy practically went on a national radio tour to apologize for the dance.

As for wanting him back, those comments aren't illustrative of anything without knowing the context in which thhey were made. If interviewer asks: "Do you want Buzz Williams back?" how else would you expect LW to answer?

Really, if Buzz would flee to a third-tier program like SMU because he's so hurt by those comments, it says far more about him than it does Larry Williams.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 03:37:21 PM
It's exceptionally unlikely that Buzz Williams is where is today if he were so fragile that those comments would deeply offend him, especially when those comments pretty much parrot everything Buzz said about the dance. Sheesh, the guy practically went on a national radio tour to apologize for the dance.

As for wanting him back, those comments aren't illustrative of anything without knowing the context in which thhey were made. If interviewer asks: "Do you want Buzz Williams back?" how else would you expect LW to answer?

Really, if Buzz would flee to a third-tier program like SMU because he's so hurt by those comments, it says far more about him than it does Larry Williams.

That is my point.  Buzz went out of his way to even overapologize for what he did.  It should have been done at that.  Then Larry has to go and give himself all this attention and bring it back into focus.  It was stupid and pointless.  If Buzz were to leave, my guess is this isn't the only "incident."  You say those things behind closed doors to Buzz alone.  You don't go to a local newspaper and say those things.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 03:37:46 PM
Pakini...if you or anyone else think the JS comments are what caused the hard feelings you are crazy. I have said on here for two months that Buzz was called on the carpet in private and he felt unjustly. The suspensions were either directive from school or Buzz making a point to rub his unhappiness into admin's face. Would add the comments from LW were foolish and did not help things.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 03:38:45 PM

Right...they could fall off the map with the wrong hire.  However, when you have a solid foundation, you can get right back up with the right hire.  We aren't SLU.

But going to quickly become that if Buzz leaves. The players will bolt, the recruits will leave, and it will be back to mid major status. Just like some desire it to be. Pathetic.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: ecompt on March 25, 2012, 03:45:51 PM
So Larry Williams, who knows abolutely nothing about basketball, is going to help Buzz Williams "grow as a coach?" Great. Turn him into another Digger Phelps.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: NCAARules on March 25, 2012, 03:47:32 PM
I think this whole story is making something out of relatively nothing.

So SMU asked for permission. Great, happens with every coaching search.

So MU granted said permission. Pretty regular occurrence too - it's hard to attract future coaches if word gets out that you won't let them explore future opportunities.

And lo and behold, some SMU fan sites are reporting what may or may not be part of the package.

ho-hum. So what you're telling me is it's late March. yawn.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 03:50:10 PM
NCAA...anyone asking for permission to talk to Bo Ryan or Mike Brey or other top coaches? We have to be in position that people know better than ask permission. Your head is in the sand if you think this is non issue.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Boone on March 25, 2012, 03:50:46 PM
Buzz could have said he didn't want to talk w/SMU...but he didn't. Sounds like he's reciprocating their interest.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 03:52:15 PM
I think this whole story is making something out of relatively nothing.

So SMU asked for permission. Great, happens with every coaching search.

So MU granted said permission. Pretty regular occurrence too - it's hard to attract future coaches if word gets out that you won't let them explore future opportunities.

And lo and behold, some SMU fan sites are reporting what may or may not be part of the package.

ho-hum. So what you're telling me is it's late March. yawn.

Granted permission, but Buzz is talking to them. That's the troubling part. Don't think he has talked to anyone before.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 03:52:41 PM
Pakini...if you or anyone else think the JS comments are what caused the hard feelings you are crazy. I have said on here for two months that Buzz was called on the carpet in private and he felt unjustly. The suspensions were either directive from school or Buzz making a point to rub his unhappiness into admin's face. Would add the comments from LW were foolish and did not help things.


I don't think those comments caused hard feelings. That's my point.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 03:53:06 PM
But going to quickly become that if Buzz leaves. The players will bolt, the recruits will leave, and it will be back to mid major status. Just like some desire it to be. Pathetic.


Just like when Crean left and MU hired some unknown assistant, Tyshawn Taylor asked out of his NLI, etc. etc. etc.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: NersEllenson on March 25, 2012, 03:54:28 PM
It's exceptionally unlikely that Buzz Williams is where is today if he were so fragile that those comments would deeply offend him, especially when those comments pretty much parrot everything Buzz said about the dance. Sheesh, the guy practically went on a national radio tour to apologize for the dance.

As for wanting him back, those comments aren't illustrative of anything without knowing the context in which thhey were made. If interviewer asks: "Do you want Buzz Williams back?" how else would you expect LW to answer?

Really, if Buzz would flee to a third-tier program like SMU because he's so hurt by those comments, it says far more about him than it does Larry Williams.

Disagree....to be called out by a "boss" of 59 days, in the local newspaper...when you have busted your a$$ for 4 years to keep the basketball program at a Top 15/20 level -and are coveted by schools like OU, Arkansas, Texas A&M and virtually any other school - is an absolute slap in the face.  Buzz is a "feeling" type of guy..wears his emotions on his sleeve.  Someone basically saying you "tie your tie too tight and are going to explode or irrevocably offend someone," is the height of stupidity and insulting.

And newsflash...if Buzz goes to SMU - they will be a Top 10 program nationally in 5 years.  Guaranteed.  And perhaps he can do it in an environment devoid of some of the idiocy that can permeate some in the MU administration and community...as in Sultan who seems to think you can just bring any coach in here and we'll be Sweet 16 caliber.  Mike Deane anyone??  MU is who it is in hoops only and solely based on the caliber of its head coach - been blessed to have Al, Tom Crean and Buzz.  Why run off Buzz with stupid remarks and potentially make a bad hire like Dukiet, Deane, Keno Davis, etc?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: ATWizJr on March 25, 2012, 03:57:32 PM

Buzz has not "put us on the map."  He didn't take us to our last final four.  He wasn't around when we got invited to the BE.  MU basketball was around before Buzz, it will be around after Buzz.
Yeah. Right. We can replace him no problem. In fact, that would be the smart play. Yeah. Right.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 03:57:46 PM
Right on Ners. Buzz has put us on the map. He apologizing over and over again for the dance was crazy. He had a blast and put us under a spotlight by having fun. it is the PC crowd that freaks when someone is different. Al freaked me out and Buzz is freaking them out. On national scale Buzx has become a star and our AD and President want to throw wet blanket over him. I say stoke the fire and enjoy the ride.

Buzz did not put us on the map.  That is crazy talk.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Boone on March 25, 2012, 03:58:10 PM
Cottingham had the wisdom to hire from inside and retain Buzz. I have little faith in the empty suit's ability to hire another Buzz.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 03:59:02 PM
"Being here as long as I'm wanted" is open to interpretation. Assume Buzz was instructed to tighten up his guys. That can be construed as I'm no longer wanted.
I repeat, remember neither Pilarz nor Larry had a hand in Buzz' hiring.

So it sounds like maybe some in the administration felt squirmy to use another term that has been thrown around here? 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 03:59:54 PM
And perhaps he can do it in an environment devoid of some of the idiocy that can permeate some in the MU administration and community...as in Sultan who seems to think you can just bring any coach in here and we'll be Sweet 16 caliber.  Mike Deane anyone??  


I didn't say "any" coach, but the coach before Deane, and the two coaches after Deane all lead MU to the Sweet 16.


Yeah. Right. We can replace him no problem. In fact, that would be the smart play. Yeah. Right.

Jesus, can you people *read*???  I didn't say "no problem" and I certainly didn't say it would be a "smart play."  I said that we *CAN* replace him.

Bunch of chicken littles....  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 04:00:06 PM
Buzx is handcuffed here and that is only reason why he could leave. While I believe our program is on verge of elite I do think we are on dangerously thin ice. I respectfully disagree with anyone who thinks we keep our program on fast track if Buzz leaves. It would be PR disaster if he fled to SMU. Any good cosh would say what the hell is going on there for that to happen.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: turk17 on March 25, 2012, 04:02:10 PM
Two things:

1.) If anyone thinks that the MU administration believes that the MU-fan base would be satisfied with a mid-major caliber team YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.  No one in the MU administration believes that, not even for a second.  Having a successful MBB program is a gigantic priority and the investment in that alone should be evidence enough for anyone who doubts that.  Once again, this talk that the MU administration believes that we could "get away" with having an average program is DELUSIONAL.  

2.) The comments of Larry Williams were ridiculous, in my opinion.  Whether or not they have added any fuel to the fire, the idea that he wants to develop Buzz as a coach is like Jerry Reinsdorf saying he was excited to develop Phil Jackson.  It was a very self-promoting statement (though I don't think it would be as scrutinized if we weren't having the current discussion).
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 04:03:42 PM
Cottingham had the wisdom to hire from inside and retain Buzz. I have little faith in the empty suit's ability to hire another Buzz.

What's awesome, of course, is that these were the same things said about that "idiot lawyer" Cottingham four years ago when he conducted a flawed search and had to settle for hiring from within.
Now he's a man of wisdom.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 25, 2012, 04:04:10 PM
Two questions:

1) Other then public comments, what is the basis for the large portion of people claiming LW dislikes BW and wouldn't mind him leaving? Rumors, innuendo, backchannel talk, legit insider information, ouija board, et al.?
 
2) Why is it that no SMU fan has commented in this thread after the first few pages? Certainly they'd continue to enjoy this unnatural carnal knowledgeface pity session and not stop posting.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:05:17 PM
Buzz has been very unhappy for several months and that has been my concern all along. I do believe that the brass at MU think that being SLU would be good enough for its fans. They saw the bad press last year, the Penn State mess, change in our conference and got scared. They do not think they need a $2.6 million coach and especially one they believe is a loose cannon.
I fear the .1% that Buzz just tells them see you later. If he leaves to crap job it is 100% on the shoulders of the adminstration. I have been harping on this for two months because I think the school thinks its supporters are all suckers. I said a month ago I hope I am wrong...but if he even listens to crap jobs it shows serious trouble.

Are you for real?  We have the #2 basketball budget in the country. We pay our coach over $2 million per year.  We committed to the Big East.  We built the Al McGuire Center.  To suggest we are not committed and merely want to be SLU is exaggeration.  

The administration has to protect the school and it's image.  That is a fine line when it comes to athletics.  If they feel that we have been in the news too much because of bad behavior of members of the team, that is their right as leaders of the university to put the screws down.  We are a university, not just a basketball program.  For all the good of Marquette hoops the last few years, there has been plenty of embarrassment also which I'm sure some in the administration are not too happy about.

You can have one without the other.  MU has had other moments of greatness without the off the court headlines and other schools are able to do it as well.  Buzz just needs to clamp down a little harder.  Win at all costs is not acceptable at MU nor should it be. Buzz will stay, he'll have to be a little smarter with some of his selections, that is all.  It can be done.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: TedBaxter on March 25, 2012, 04:07:31 PM
Are you for real?  We have the #2 basketball budget in the country. We pay our coach over $2 million per year.  We committed to the Big East.  We built the Al McGuire Center.  To suggest we are not committed and merely want to be SLU is exaggeration.

How much of the basketball program is financed from "outside interests" and I'm referring to boosters and Nike/Converse?  I think it's an important thing to talk about as those are "variable items" depending on the success of the program and the direction it goes and I'd add season ticket sales into that equation.

I've mentioned Wake Forest as a program where there was a change and in that case, the AD fired a reasonably successful coach in Dino Gaudio.  How's that gone?  5,000 less per game in average attendance and a bottom feeder in the ACC.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Boone on March 25, 2012, 04:09:24 PM
A lot of people, myself included, were very happy at the time with the Buzz hire. Coaches like Buzz don't grow on trees. Unfortunately, we're on the verge of learning that the hard way.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: NersEllenson on March 25, 2012, 04:09:35 PM
Are you for real?  We have the #2 basketball budget in the country. We pay our coach over $2 million per year.  We committed to the Big East.  We built the Al McGuire Center.  To suggest we are not committed and merely want to be SLU is exaggeration.  

The administration has to protect the school and it's image.  That is a fine line when it comes to athletics.  If they feel that we have been in the news too much because of bad behavior of members of the team, that is their right as leaders of the university to put the screws down.  We are a university, not just a basketball program.  For all the good of Marquette hoops the last few years, there has been plenty of embarrassment also which I'm sure some in the administration are not too happy about.

You can have one without the other.  MU has had other moments of greatness without the off the court headlines and other schools are able to do it as well.  Buzz just needs to clamp down a little harder.  Win at all costs is not acceptable at MU nor should it be. Buzz will stay, he'll have to be a little smarter with some of his selections, that is all.  It can be done.
Can we just have this jack a$$ banned again please??  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 04:10:46 PM
Anyone got an email for Larry Williams?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 04:12:07 PM
Chico's....you always have he inside scoop. You make my point, why spend all the many we do to be a hopeful S16 team every few years. I believ strongly they think the risk associated with going from current status to elite is not worth it. Buzz probably is a risk and maybe bigger risk than the reward. We spent a ton of money to be where we are and maybe this is as good as it gets.

Many people could run this program for a lot less money and provide enough success to please many supporters. For the record we played one more game than SLU this year so my comments are not a rip on that. My guess is the return on investment on that program trumped ours.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 04:12:19 PM

Just like when Crean left and MU hired some unknown assistant, Tyshawn Taylor asked out of his NLI, etc. etc. etc.


I'm pretty sure you don't truly understand what is REALLY at play here.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:12:58 PM
It's not?? When all the current players leave, and the incoming recruits ask out, and the AD hires a Coach at a lessor salary because he believes MU can never be Elite in hoop so why pay for something you will never get?? Will you be happy with being SLU?? Because that's what the vision is for the admin.

Were you in a coma from 2002 to 2008 when we were paying a handsome salary, going to the Final Four and resembled nothing of a program like SLU?  Since when have we been happy to be like SLU?  This comment is ridiculous.

Now, they may want to clean up the image a bit of MU or at least have Buzz clamp down on some of the off the court stuff.  Is that a bad thing?  Does anyone like reading that stuff about our school?  You can bet the President of the school and BOT don't.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 25, 2012, 04:13:24 PM
It's probably just Larry.Williams@marquette.edu
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:16:20 PM
Did this really happen??  The 2nd paragraph stuff I bolded?  If Larry Williams did in fact say that crap, and go overboard on the whole WVU thing - he needs to be fired/replaced immediately.  Period.  You don't come into a place and in 3 months call out your most valuable asset in your department.  Buzz never should have had to apologize for the dance period.  He was celebrating, having fun...national media picked up on it, a lot of people LOVED it..who cares if it offended 5% of the population?  Buzz is single handedly putting MU back on the national stage a la Al McGuire and we have some politically correct "suit" trying to corral what is far and away the most colorful, talented, asset we have as a university??  Please.



Buzz apologized for the dance about 10 seconds after he did it, with no prodding from Larry Williams or Father Pilarz.  Get control of your emotions, you are all over the place.  You could see the reaction from the WVU fans, they were pissed.  It was a dance of fun and excitement for us, but not for their program.  Buzz knew right away it was not a smart thing to do. He apologized.  We're a Catholic university, if Larry Williams or Father Pilarz later said you should reiterate the apology, so what.   

The dance is at the bottom of the list of things that the university would be concerned about considering the other things that have put us on the front pages or the top story on the evening news the last 12 months.  The absolute bottom of the list. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 04:16:23 PM
Chico's...your guy had one season and ran to the bank for six years off Dwade. We trended down every year after FF that Wade gave us. We had chance to capitalize off  Wade and failed to do so. If the 2003 was not enough for Crean to make us elite he never could make it happen.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 04:16:37 PM
A lot of people, myself included, were very happy at the time with the Buzz hire. Coaches like Buzz don't grow on trees. Unfortunately, we're on the verge of learning that the hard way.

I'm a HUGE fan of Buzz and very much want him to stay, but:

1. Successful coaches may not grow on trees, but they're out there and Marquette has the money, backing, facilities, affiliations, reputation and traditions to land one.  Some of you guys seem to have a bad case of oneitis.
 
2. If Buzz leaves for a sad sack program like SMU because of some perceived slight (from a university that four years ago gave him a shot no one else would; from a university that 12 months ago stepped up and paid him huge dollars to stay) it says far more about him and his sense of loyalty than it says about anyone else. Frankly, it would make all his talk about family, and rolling with his guys a big stinking pile of feces.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 04:19:40 PM
2. If Buzz leaves for a sad sack program like SMU because of some perceived slight (from a university that four years ago gave him a shot no one else would; from a university that 12 months ago stepped up and paid him huge dollars to stay) it says far more about him and his sense of loyalty than it says about anyone else. Frankly, it would make all his talk about family, and rolling with his guys a big stinking pile of feces.

Well said.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:19:49 PM
Sultan....obviously you are comments have merit. Quick question, has TC put Indiana back on the map? You can fall off face of the earth quickly, look at UCLA. Buzz put a bigger light on the program, especially this season.

You make it sound like MU fell off the map in the last decade.  Buzz inherited a 3 time NCAA team and a program only 5 years off a Final Four.  He kept it going.  He hardly put it on the map.  He has continued to move it in a fantastic direction, but did not put it on the map.  Furthermore, there have been a few off the court issues that have happened along the way which our administrators are going to notice when they have a microphone shoved in their face and it costs high profile people their jobs.

You cannot ignore this reality.  Prediction is Buzz stays and gets a nice raise out of it.  The same actions which the previous coach did and got skewered for it.  Coaches are coaches at the end of the day, and Buzz is no different.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 04:20:00 PM
Were you in a coma from 2002 to 2008 when we were paying a handsome salary, going to the Final Four and resembled nothing of a program like SLU?  Since when have we been happy to be like SLU?  This comment is ridiculous.

Now, they may want to clean up the image a bit of MU or at least have Buzz clamp down on some of the off the court stuff.  Is that a bad thing?  Does anyone like reading that stuff about our school?  You can bet the President of the school and BOT don't.

To be fair and honest, I am not an MU Alum, simply a season ticket holder. So honestly, my only connection to the school is the BB program. That's my #1 concern. Do I want MU's name being smeared through the mud?? No, not really, but it doesn't affect me the way it would you alums. I care about their BB program, and anything that has an effect on that. Period. No, I do not want MU to "win at all costs"(cheat), but I do want them to win, that's my number 1 concern when it comes to Marquette University.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 04:20:38 PM

I'm pretty sure you don't truly understand what is REALLY at play here.


Oh please...then enlighten me...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 04:21:13 PM
Chico's...I am talking on the map, the real map. Your guy has put Indiana on the map again in big way and Buzz made us move up a notch from the place your guy left us.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:22:29 PM
But going to quickly become that if Buzz leaves. The players will bolt, the recruits will leave, and it will be back to mid major status. Just like some desire it to be. Pathetic.

Name one person that would like midmajor status.  No one does, it is a foolish statement.  Some of you guys are completely chicken littles right now.  

a) he's unlikely to leave
b) if he does, MU will hire another competent coach

Players have bolted in the past and MU has survived.  Coaches have bolted in the past, and MU has survived.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 79Warrior on March 25, 2012, 04:23:05 PM
Buzx is handcuffed here and that is only reason why he could leave. While I believe our program is on verge of elite I do think we are on dangerously thin ice. I respectfully disagree with anyone who thinks we keep our program on fast track if Buzz leaves. It would be PR disaster if he fled to SMU. Any good cosh would say what the hell is going on there for that to happen.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 04:25:47 PM
Hmmmmmm interesting turn of events it seems. Sounds now like Seth Greenberg's name has surfaced for SMU according to their boards. Did Buzz already say "no thanks"??
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:26:26 PM
Chico's....you always have he inside scoop. You make my point, why spend all the many we do to be a hopeful S16 team every few years. I believ strongly they think the risk associated with going from current status to elite is not worth it. Buzz probably is a risk and maybe bigger risk than the reward. We spent a ton of money to be where we are and maybe this is as good as it gets.

Many people could run this program for a lot less money and provide enough success to please many supporters. For the record we played one more game than SLU this year so my comments are not a rip on that. My guess is the return on investment on that program trumped ours.

I'm not Chicos.  If you wish to reach him, warriornation123@gmail.com.  I have my own opinions, I'm sure he has his on this.  It would be fun to hear some of them.  My position is that Buzz isn't going anywhere and this is crazy talk.  I also understand why the university has concerns.  Front page of the Chicago Tribune twice, top stories on the news, university breaking state law, etc, etc will have an impact on an administration.  To deny that is not realistic.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 04:28:52 PM
Makes no difference who gets SMU job. The fact that an elite coach was mentioned for a jerk off job is the issue. It is time that our coaches stay here and not run away. The fact that Buzz even is remotely mentioned with SMU pisses me off.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 04:29:42 PM
Where's there is smoke, I always believe there is fire.

If Buzz isn't happy, then he either:

A.) Leaves.
B.) Uses the interest from SMU to reiterate to Pilarz and Williams who is most important at 770 N. 12th Street.

Hoping for B.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:29:47 PM
Chico's...your guy had one season and ran to the bank for six years off Dwade. We trended down every year after FF that Wade gave us. We had chance to capitalize off  Wade and failed to do so. If the 2003 was not enough for Crean to make us elite he never could make it happen.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH CHICO'S BLAH BLAH BLAH CHICO'S BLAH BLAH BLAH


Now, if you want MY opinion, I find your assumptions way off the target.  MU trended down two years after the Final Four.  Then then went to 3 straight NCAA appearances and never finished worse than 4th or 5th in the Big East conference.  How is that trending down?  If we were trending down, how does a blueblood program like Indiana go hire the guy?  They aren't going out to hire coaches trending down.  Your comments are ridiculous.

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: NersEllenson on March 25, 2012, 04:30:05 PM
I'm a HUGE fan of Buzz and very much want him to stay, but:
 
2. If Buzz leaves for a sad sack program like SMU because of some perceived slight (from a university that four years ago gave him a shot no one else would; from a university that 12 months ago stepped up and paid him huge dollars to stay) it says far more about him and his sense of loyalty than it says about anyone else. Frankly, it would make all his talk about family, and rolling with his guys a big stinking pile of feces.

Generally agree with your viewpoints Pakuni - yet to say no other university would have given Buzz a shot is a stretch - he was known as a hot, young rising, coach.  Crean knew he could recruit, and that's what Crean needed, after the fall off in his recruiting in 2003, 2004, and then largely weak classes after the Big 3.  Administration got to see Buzz's work ethic for 1 year, how the players responded to him, etc., and they could see they had a star in the making already at the university.  Buzz earned the opportunity to become MU's head coach and hasn't disappointed.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: LON on March 25, 2012, 04:30:18 PM
I'm not Chicos.  If you wish to reach him, warriornation123@gmail.com.  I have my own opinions, I'm sure he has his on this.  It would be fun to hear some of them.  My position is that Buzz isn't going anywhere and this is crazy talk.  I also understand why the university has concerns.  Front page of the Chicago Tribune twice, top stories on the news, university breaking state law, etc, etc will have an impact on an administration.  To deny that is not realistic.  

I don't think anyone is denying it.  They are just not talking/posting about it while sporting an erection.

However, this thread has been an enjoyable read for my lazy Sunday though, I think some of us should probably take a few days off. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
I'm a HUGE fan of Buzz and very much want him to stay, but:

1. Successful coaches may not grow on trees, but they're out there and Marquette has the money, backing, facilities, affiliations, reputation and traditions to land one.  Some of you guys seem to have a bad case of oneitis.
 
2. If Buzz leaves for a sad sack program like SMU because of some perceived slight (from a university that four years ago gave him a shot no one else would; from a university that 12 months ago stepped up and paid him huge dollars to stay) it says far more about him and his sense of loyalty than it says about anyone else. Frankly, it would make all his talk about family, and rolling with his guys a big stinking pile of feces.

Pin this to the board.  + 100000
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 04:32:11 PM
Indiana was about as much blue blood at the time of Crean hire as Crean was to being John Wooden. Crean ran to Indiana after begging for the job. He bolted MU more than Indiana courted him.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: NersEllenson on March 25, 2012, 04:34:57 PM
I'm not Chicos.  If you wish to reach him, warriornation123@gmail.com.  I have my own opinions, I'm sure he has his on this.  It would be fun to hear some of them.  My position is that Buzz isn't going anywhere and this is crazy talk.  I also understand why the university has concerns.  Front page of the Chicago Tribune twice, top stories on the news, university breaking state law, etc, etc will have an impact on an administration.  To deny that is not realistic.  

Thanks Chicos.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:35:19 PM
I don't think anyone is denying it.  They are just not talking/posting about it while sporting an erection.

However, this thread has been an enjoyable read for my lazy Sunday though, I think some of us should probably take a few days off. 

What is your deal with erections? 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 04:35:56 PM
Generally agree with your viewpoints Pakuni - yet to say no other university would have given Buzz a shot is a stretch - he was known as a hot, young rising, coach.  Crean knew he could recruit, and that's what Crean needed, after the fall off in his recruiting in 2003, 2004, and then largely weak classes after the Big 3.  Administration got to see Buzz's work ethic for 1 year, how the players responded to him, etc., and they could see they had a star in the making already at the university.  Buzz earned the opportunity to become MU's head coach and hasn't disappointed.

Sorry, but at that time no program was going to hire Buzz Williams as its head coach, not after what happened at UNO. And certainly no program the status of MU's .

Now, he could have toiled a few more years as an assistant somewhere and eventually landed another head coaching opportunity but, again, probably not on par with Marquette. I liked the hire then, and I love it now. But you're kidding yourself if you think a top 25-30 program was going to be hiring him anytime soon.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2012, 04:37:05 PM
Hmmmmmm interesting turn of events it seems. Sounds now like Seth Greenberg's name has surfaced for SMU according to their boards. Did Buzz already say "no thanks"??

I dunno why they'd even consider Greenberg if Buzz were still in play.  Of course, it's all message board fodder, so who knows.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:38:38 PM
Indiana was about as much blue blood at the time of Crean hire as Crean was to being John Wooden. Crean ran to Indiana after begging for the job. He bolted MU more than Indiana courted him.

IU had to make the right kind of hire to clean up their mess.  Crean rebuilt a MU program that had much less issues than IU had, but IU had more upside.  I have zero doubts that Crean pursued IU, that would be his nature and a good agent would put those feelers out.  IU isn't going to just hire anyone, either, especially someone that is trending down.  That is where you and I disagree.

IU went to a Final Four in the 2000's.  When Sampson left, they were a NCAA team every year.  They were a blueblood program when Crean was hired, the difference was that they were a horrible mess that had to be cleaned up.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: LON on March 25, 2012, 04:39:24 PM
What is your deal with erections? 

Just yours, bro.  I can hear your pants tightening with some of your posts, others I have agreed with.  Tone down your rhetoric a bit and people may actually address your points and not attack you.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 25, 2012, 04:39:42 PM
What is your deal with erections? 

he's only got one nut.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:40:50 PM
Generally agree with your viewpoints Pakuni - yet to say no other university would have given Buzz a shot is a stretch - he was known as a hot, young rising, coach.  Crean knew he could recruit, and that's what Crean needed, after the fall off in his recruiting in 2003, 2004, and then largely weak classes after the Big 3.  Administration got to see Buzz's work ethic for 1 year, how the players responded to him, etc., and they could see they had a star in the making already at the university.  Buzz earned the opportunity to become MU's head coach and hasn't disappointed.

Right.   ::)   A coach quits one year off his first job at New Orleans and programs were going to swoop in and hire him to be their next head coach?  Buzz was in the right place at the right time, that is why there was universal shock when Buzz was hired.  He has turned out great minus some of the off the court stuff, but to suggest he was in waiting for the next head coaching gig somewhere ignores what was going on.  If Crean hadn't left for IU, where is Buzz right now?  Certainly not the head coach of a Big East team. Timing was everything.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: LON on March 25, 2012, 04:41:20 PM
he's only got one nut.


Also, not nearly enough dick jokes in this thread.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:41:30 PM
Just yours, bro.  I can hear your pants tightening with some of your posts, others I have agreed with.  Tone down your rhetoric a bit and people may actually address your points and not attack you.

What rhetoric?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 04:42:03 PM
he's only got one nut.

I am not Chicos.  I am not Lance Armstrong either. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 04:42:30 PM
I don't think anyone is denying it.  They are just not talking/posting about it while sporting an erection.

However, this thread has been an enjoyable read for my lazy Sunday though, I think some of us should probably take a few days off. 

+1

Was thinking the same thing.....you would think we were in the final four with all these posts, plus the thread Ners just started on LW

This whole thread boils down to we have a great coach, who will always be a target for other schools.  He would be stupid to not listen.  Also, if he has some heartburn with his new boss, simply listening to other school's offers is a great reminder to LW of what he might be messing up.  I will give LW enough credit to assume he knows what he has.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 04:43:39 PM

Also, not nearly enough dick jokes in this thread.

Dick may be the one thing standing between Buzz and the SMU job.

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 04:44:06 PM
Buzz got the one and  only job the could get the year MU hired him in my opinion. TC and KOmwere hot commodities, Uncle Buzz won the lottery that day. Fortunately he shared the winning ticket by delivering the goods.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 25, 2012, 04:45:52 PM
Someone already seemed to answer the question I was going to ask.  Is it just common courtesy when another school asks to speak with a coach you say yes regardless?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 25, 2012, 04:50:18 PM
I think Buzz may have been a very lucky recipient of interest from SMU (who in all rights under normal circumstances should have known to not even asked for permission) - it allows him to use the situation to regain some power / ground with the new Administration...


Where's there is smoke, I always believe there is fire.

If Buzz isn't happy, then he either:

A.) Leaves.
B.) Uses the interest from SMU to reiterate to Pilarz and Williams who is most important at 770 N. 12th Street.

Hoping for B.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
I think what most here are failing to realize when wanting to point the finger at Buzz, is this may not be Buzz's choice. Take from that what you will.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 05:01:40 PM
I think what most here are failing to realize when wanting to point the finger at Buzz, is this may not be Buzz's choice. Take from that what you will.

You're alluding to a lot of stuff in this thread.

If I'm reading you correctly, you have intimate knowledge of the Marquette athletics department and highly placed alums, and you believe that Marquette views itself as a mid-major athletic school.

Therefore, they are not willing to financially compete with top schools and/or are choosing not to keep Buzz Williams employed.

Is this accurate? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, and/or provide some details.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Da 'Lanche on March 25, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
I think what most here are failing to realize when wanting to point the finger at Buzz, is this may not be Buzz's choice. Take from that what you will.

If that is true....then the off court incidents must be way, way worse and have much further reaching implications than what has been in the view of the general public....or the AD and new prez are complete incompetents (which I doubt).  

Conflicts do happen....Frank Martin from Kansas State is so pissed at his AD for suspending a player in their tournament game against Syracuse that he is rumored to be going to s. carolina.    Athletic Directors do tend to like to hire their own coaches...

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 05:05:15 PM
Hmmmmmm interesting turn of events it seems. Sounds now like Seth Greenberg's name has surfaced for SMU according to their boards. Did Buzz already say "no thanks"??

at least they're realistic.

quote from the ponyfans board:
Agreed. The fact that we're even being mentioned as possible destinations for the HCs at Marquette and Va. Tech is pretty astounding, considering how badly we've sucked for so long.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 05:08:55 PM

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 05:12:07 PM
You're alluding to a lot of stuff in this thread.

If I'm reading you correctly, you have intimate knowledge of the Marquette athletics department and highly placed alums, and you believe that Marquette views itself as a mid-major athletic school.

Therefore, they are not willing to financially compete with top schools and/or are choosing not to keep Buzz Williams employed.

Is this accurate? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, and/or provide some details.


I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 05:15:06 PM
Bingo guru....alll factual and sad.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: SERocks on March 25, 2012, 05:15:50 PM

I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.



If this is even close to true, the resulting debacle will rival the move to rid the University of the Warrior nickname. 
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 25, 2012, 05:17:03 PM
are you Goose's source?

This not good...  if true, then they don't need a large fanbase either, starting with me...


I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.


Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: chapman on March 25, 2012, 05:23:26 PM

I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.

They can't possibly be that stupid.  If they think they can simply reallocate Dick Strong's money (and all the other donors' money) as they see fit they would be kidding themselves.  That well would dry up very fast.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Boone on March 25, 2012, 05:25:58 PM
Might as well move back into a conference w/Evansville and Loyola. That kind of minor league thinking isn't worthy of Big East inclusion.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 05:26:36 PM
If you don't pay a coach 2.6million and have average ball budget you do not need Strong's money.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on March 25, 2012, 05:27:40 PM

I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.


My estimate of what that is worth: a handful of poop. An administration lowering sights for their university. What a crock. I hate the offseason.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 25, 2012, 05:27:45 PM
I'm assuming in their world we pay our coach under 1 million and we should be in the sweet 16 like Xavier is every other year. I'm sure Buzz stands up for his guys no matter what and that rubs people wrong. In theory it actually makes sense, and if we were paying Crean 2.5 million still on the NCAA/NIT bubble I would probably agree. This is different, hope they realize that.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 05:28:14 PM

I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.




It's not like even a third rate coach is going to come in for THAT much less.  Why push out a coach who has the program pointing up to save a few hundred thousand a year?  You lucked into a coach who makes your students happy, your players happy, your fans happy, and your sponsors happy.  He gets you national exposure.  Why get rid of that to save less than what you spend on toilet paper in the dorms?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: DCWarriors04 on March 25, 2012, 05:29:30 PM

I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.



Maybe someone needs to show them how much $$$ the program brings in on an annual basis. Plus, someone needs to ask LW and the good Father how alumni would feel if this indeed was the case. If they think the Warrior issue was a sore point, this would be 1,000,000,000,000 times worse.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 05:30:28 PM

I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.



I don't want to believe this because it sounds insane to me. Pilarz is a sharp guy, and Williams appears to be qualified. They both have track records to support major D1 athletics.

However, I appreciate you actually writing it out in a paragraph vs. the small mysterious spinets you were previously writing. Much more constructive to read and discuss it this way.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 25, 2012, 05:31:57 PM

I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.

Dude, hate to bust balls, but how the unnatural carnal knowledge do you not follow up on that?

Everything you see, these kids are tethered to the guy and willing to run through brick walls to get his crap done.

Was the finish so emotional because Buzz knew his run was coming to an end? Was it not just seeing a weakened college ball state and knowing he had a top 10 team to make the deep Tournament run? Was the family hug after Murray the result of saying, "soon, soon, we will be somewhere I can run my crap and do this every year without the headaches of the new douchebag A.D. and President?"

These guys seem deeply disconnected from the state of college athletics in 2012. For that, we the people will suffer.

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 05:32:24 PM
It is not about money. It is about the perceived risk that comes long with Buzz. Only money issue if they make change...then they go back to mid major mindset.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 25, 2012, 05:33:34 PM
If this is even close to true, the resulting debacle will rival the move to rid the University of the Warrior nickname. 
I have no influence on anybody at MU as my donations aren't quite up to par, but I know the tirade I would direct towards the computer screen as I would read something like that would be epic.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: THE LOVER on March 25, 2012, 05:37:24 PM
What is the danger that comes with buzz?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 05:38:02 PM
Dude, hate to bust balls, but how the frack do you not follow up on that?

Everything you see, these kids are tethered to the guy and willing to run through brick walls to get his crap done.

Was the finish so emotional because Buzz knew his run was coming to an end? Was it not just seeing a weakened college ball state and knowing he had a top 10 team to make the deep Tournament run? Was the family hug after Murray the result of saying, "soon, soon, we will be somewhere I can run my crap and do this every year without the headaches of the new douchebag A.D. and President?"

These guys seem deeply disconnected from the state of college athletics in 2012. For that, we the people will suffer.




Because I was so distraught and angry and not thinking clearly. He did mention something that the new Admin MAY think that Buzz's boot camp may be treating the players to harshly. I would also ASSUME it's in reference to Buzz having his players backs, regardless. LW wants to do things the Notre Dame way.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 05:39:20 PM
Dude, hate to bust balls, but how the frack do you not follow up on that?

Everything you see, these kids are tethered to the guy and willing to run through brick walls to get his crap done.


Just throwing this out there...  could the powers that be not like the way Buzz relates to his players... in that he gives them too much leeway?  Yeah, no doubt they love the guy.  But maybe LW & Co. feel like he needs to discipline them more, instead of being buddies with them.  Maybe they want him to stop being Mr Nice Guy to the players and kick some a$$ and keep them out of trouble, and Buzz doesn't want to play policeman.  Again, just playing devil's advocate.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: THE LOVER on March 25, 2012, 05:40:26 PM
I live in Dallas. You guys can't lose buzz to SMU. Awful fan base. Nobody goes to games etc.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: nyg on March 25, 2012, 05:41:34 PM
Maybe someone needs to show them how much $$$ the program brings in on an annual basis. Plus, someone needs to ask LW and the good Father how alumni would feel if this indeed was the case. If they think the Warrior issue was a sore point, this would be 1,000,000,000,000 times worse.

Wait till the attendance drops by 7,000 a game.  Think of the money they are saving.......
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 25, 2012, 05:42:13 PM
to those saying that Marquette is bigger than one coach - that is what the Admin wants to hear (If Goose's insight are true),

While MU has survived coaching changes in the past:

1)  It will be much harder if it is perceived admin pushed out a potential next Al McGuire
2)  MU hit a miracle home run hiring Buzz when they did
3)  If the admin wants to lower costs of it's next coach - they will also lower interest, support and donations and recruit interest - MU will be taking a step back on the national basketball scene...




Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: DCWarriors04 on March 25, 2012, 05:43:23 PM

Because I was so distraught and angry and not thinking clearly. He did mention something that the new Admin MAY think that Buzz's boot camp may be treating the players to harshly. I would also ASSUME it's in reference to Buzz having his players backs, regardless. LW wants to do things the Notre Dame way.
If he wants to do things the ND way you keep Buzz since he's a proven winner.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 05:43:54 PM

I talked to someone today(an alum), that usually has good info. He told me that the new admin is not particularly pleased with Buzz and how he does things, specifically how he relates to his players(no idea what that meant and didn't ask). They were going to give Buzz the rest of the year, but after that....It was also told to me, that LW and FR. Pilarsz, do not think that MU can be elite in BB, that Sweet 16 is as far as they can ever go, so why pay Elite type wages to a Coach, when you can pay lesser and get the same results as they are getting now(that's THEIR view on it). Take it FWIW.



I call bull crap on this.  Not on you particularly, but on the statement.

You're trying to tell us that the administration thinks we can only get to the Sweet 16 when just 72 hours ago we were playing for the Elite 8 and shot like crap otherwise we would be there.  Taking on a team we already smoked this year.

I find that statement by your alum friend either incoherent or completely out there.  This is a program that in the last ten years has a Final Four under its belt and two additional Sweet 16's.  If you make it to the Sweet 16, you have a chance for the Elite 8.  

I'm sorry, but when you have the second largest budget in NCAA basketball, pay your coach well over $2 million a year, play in the Big East, suggesting Sweet 16 is as high as you can go when we have surpassed that already and had a chance 72 hours ago strikes me as wildly fanciful.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 05:45:11 PM
It is not about money. It is about the perceived risk that comes long with Buzz. Only money issue if they make change...then they go back to mid major mindset.

There you go again.  Were we in a mid major mindset under Crean?  We haven't been in a mid-major mindset since Mike Deane, that was the last century.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 05:48:21 PM
I still want to be wrong but I was bitching about this for two months. This just did not happen over night and reason why he still can happen is because school thinks the fans would never know any better. It is important to share information, good or bad. It makes for more informed opinions and that is positive.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 05:48:49 PM
What is the danger that comes with buzz?

Some in the administration are afraid of some of the news in the media that doesn't put MU in the best of light.  See last year's sexual assault issues.  As administrators, they have to also protect the university's image.  All of us here love MU basketball.  Like most universities, we are in the minority as most professors, administrators, etc view athletics with a skeptical eye.  They provide great canvas to get your name out there and provide a recruiting tool for the university.  There is the flip side that they can bring tremendous harm to the university (see Notre Dame's recent issues, Penn State, Syracuse, USC, etc, etc).

That is the tradeoff and not everyone is crazy about the tradeoff in the world of academia.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 05:49:37 PM
I call bull crap on this.  Not on you particularly, but on the statement.

You're trying to tell us that the administration thinks we can only get to the Sweet 16 when just 72 hours ago we were playing for the Elite 8 and shot like crap otherwise we would be there.  Taking on a team we already smoked this year.

I find that statement by your alum friend either incoherent or completely out there.  This is a program that in the last ten years has a Final Four under its belt and two additional Sweet 16's.  If you make it to the Sweet 16, you have a chance for the Elite 8.  

I'm sorry, but when you have the second largest budget in NCAA basketball, pay your coach well over $2 million a year, play in the Big East, suggesting Sweet 16 is as high as you can go when we have surpassed that already and had a chance 72 hours ago strikes me as wildly fanciful.

For once I agree with hoopaloop.
Your friend is either pulling your leg (or you're pulling ours) or a complete idiot.

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 05:50:42 PM
Wait till the attendance drops by 7,000 a game.  Think of the money they are saving.......

It would depend who they hire.  If they got Wisconsin native Shaka Smart would attendance drop that much?  There were predictions of attendance dropping when Buzz was hired.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 05:51:30 PM
I call bull crap on this.  Not on you particularly, but on the statement.

You're trying to tell us that the administration thinks we can only get to the Sweet 16 when just 72 hours ago we were playing for the Elite 8 and shot like crap otherwise we would be there.  Taking on a team we already smoked this year.

I find that statement by your alum friend either incoherent or completely out there.  This is a program that in the last ten years has a Final Four under its belt and two additional Sweet 16's.  If you make it to the Sweet 16, you have a chance for the Elite 8.  

I'm sorry, but when you have the second largest budget in NCAA basketball, pay your coach well over $2 million a year, play in the Big East, suggesting Sweet 16 is as high as you can go when we have surpassed that already and had a chance 72 hours ago strikes me as wildly fanciful.


What you are missing or not getting is the douchebaggery that is LW and yes, Fr. Pilarsz as well. They do NOT care about the BB program like most in charge would. Their "vision" is to improve the University and it's "image", and they are so smart they think that can be done without a relevant BB program. Unfortunately,  I think we are all about to find out. LW came from Notre Dame. Notre Dame has not made a Sweet 16 in many years. But they are credited with being a "prestigious" school. That's fine with the folks at ND. Their BB program doesn't make their school, and that's what they want at MU.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 05:51:35 PM
Hoop....first time since CUSA that we are going backwards in conference. Things change and so does the target. We spend crazy money to achieve decent levels and may e they think is it really worth it? We spend like we have Kentucky type success and are no better than Xavier.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: SERocks on March 25, 2012, 05:53:02 PM
I think there is a difference here.  Crean left us, and we were pissed at Crean not the University, so Buzz got a fair shake and opportunity to prove to us he was the guy.  He has done so and many love him. If the University pushes Buzz out, I think the negative feelings are not towards some guy in Indiana, but directly to the University.  Huge difference.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 05:54:35 PM
We should be mad before new guys make a mistake.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: VanderBabyBlue on March 25, 2012, 05:55:27 PM
Some in the administration are afraid of some of the news in the media that doesn't put MU in the best of light.  See last year's sexual assault issues.  As administrators, they have to also protect the university's image.  All of us here love MU basketball.  Like most universities, we are in the minority as most professors, administrators, etc view athletics with a skeptical eye.  They provide great canvas to get your name out there and provide a recruiting tool for the university.  There is the flip side that they can bring tremendous harm to the university (see Notre Dame's recent issues, Penn State, Syracuse, USC, etc, etc).

That is the tradeoff and not everyone is crazy about the tradeoff in the world of academia.  

+1

Not sure what's so hard to understand about this.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: JTBMU7 on March 25, 2012, 05:55:55 PM
10 pages on this garbage? sounds like everyone is having trouble coping with the season being over....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Les Nessman on March 25, 2012, 05:57:29 PM

What you are missing or not getting is the douchebaggery that is LW and yes, Fr. Pilarsz as well. They do NOT care about the BB program like most in charge would. Their "vision" is to improve the University and it's "image", and they are so smart they think that can be done without a relevant BB program. Unfortunately,  I think we are all about to find out. LW came from Notre Dame. Notre Dame has not made a Sweet 16 in many years. But they are credited with being a "prestigious" school. That's fine with the folks at ND. Their BB program doesn't make their school, and that's what they want at MU.

No crap, their football team makes all their money.

Also, Goose, how long have you been saying what you've been saying? Oh yeah, two months. I know because you've mentioned it in over half of your posts.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: nyg on March 25, 2012, 05:58:15 PM

Because I was so distraught and angry and not thinking clearly. He did mention something that the new Admin MAY think that Buzz's boot camp may be treating the players to harshly. I would also ASSUME it's in reference to Buzz having his players backs, regardless. LW wants to do things the Notre Dame way.

Why in god's name would a University President be concerned on how a basketball coach runs a pre-season workout circuit?  If any validity to this, it is insane.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 05:59:20 PM

What you are missing or not getting is the douchebaggery that is LW and yes, Fr. Pilarsz as well. They do NOT care about the BB program like most in charge would. Their "vision" is to improve the University and it's "image", and they are so smart they think that can be done without a relevant BB program. Unfortunately,  I think we are all about to find out. LW came from Notre Dame. Notre Dame has not made a Sweet 16 in many years. But they are credited with being a "prestigious" school. That's fine with the folks at ND. Their BB program doesn't make their school, and that's what they want at MU.

Again, I call bull crap.  You're telling me a former professional athlete that busted his balls to get to the NFL and achieve great things athletically and academically (he's an attorney) believes the basketball program should be irrelevant and athletics aren't important?  I don't buy it.  It is against his very own personal accomplishments.  Notre Dame's basketball program is their 2nd sport.  It's all about football at Notre Dame and they are ok with their basketball program having good kids, staying out of the press with bad apples and still making the NCAA tournament.   At MU, the basketball program is ND's football program. ND does things quite differently for football than basketball, and Larry Williams would know this.  I expect that they will treat MU basketball in the same fashion.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 06:03:01 PM
Hoop....school has to protect itself but either their are real problems or no problems. If real problems publicly address them and/or fire the coach. If the problems are minor treat them as such. If we are going to run scared because other schools had big issues the race is over.

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 06:03:14 PM
Hoop....first time since CUSA that we are going backwards in conference. Things change and so does the target. We spend crazy money to achieve decent levels and may e they think is it really worth it? We spend like we have Kentucky type success and are no better than Xavier.

That argument is valid.  We spend a lot considering the results that we get.  Though I would argue that Xavier has an on campus arena that would need to be factored into the cost equation that we do not have.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 06:03:47 PM
Again, I call bull crap.  You're telling me a former professional athlete that busted his balls to get to the NFL and achieve great things athletically and academically (he's an attorney) believes the basketball program should be irrelevant and athletics aren't important?  I don't buy it.  It is against his very own personal accomplishments.  Notre Dame's basketball program is their 2nd sport.  It's all about football at Notre Dame and they are ok with their basketball program having good kids, staying out of the press with bad apples and still making the NCAA tournament.   At MU, the basketball program is ND's football program. ND does things quite differently for football than basketball, and Larry Williams would know this.  I expect that they will treat MU basketball in the same fashion.  


It does seem strange that an Athletic Director would come in with the goal of downgrading his major athletic program.  Like the new head of Starbucks saying that his goal was to get rid of the baristas and start selling instant coffee.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 06:04:51 PM
I think there is a difference here.  Crean left us, and we were pissed at Crean not the University, so Buzz got a fair shake and opportunity to prove to us he was the guy.  He has done so and many love him. If the University pushes Buzz out, I think the negative feelings are not towards some guy in Indiana, but directly to the University.  Huge difference.

Crean left partly because of the university as well.  Crean gave us 9 years.  Buzz would have given us 4 and should be grateful as anyone that MU gave him a lottery ticket to coach this program.  That is also the huge difference.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 06:07:24 PM
Hoop....school has to protect itself but either their are real problems or no problems. If real problems publicly address them and/or fire the coach. If the problems are minor treat them as such. If we are going to run scared because other schools had big issues the race is over.



It's not that black and white. 

Can you envision this line of thinking in the athletic department?  Why can't you go to the existing coach and say pull back a bunch.  You took some chances on some kids early on because you felt you had to in order to fill scholarships and keep the program at a certain level.  Now you don't have to do that, you have proven you can coach you don't need to take as many risks.  I'll bet there are people in the university that feel that approach is not only workable, but can be successful as it was in years prior at MU and other schools.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hamostradamus on March 25, 2012, 06:09:59 PM
Again, I call bull crap.  You're telling me a former professional athlete that busted his balls to get to the NFL and achieve great things athletically and academically (he's an attorney) believes the basketball program should be irrelevant and athletics aren't important?  I don't buy it.  It is against his very own personal accomplishments.  Notre Dame's basketball program is their 2nd sport.  It's all about football at Notre Dame and they are ok with their basketball program having good kids, staying out of the press with bad apples and still making the NCAA tournament.   At MU, the basketball program is ND's football program. ND does things quite differently for football than basketball, and Larry Williams would know this.  I expect that they will treat MU basketball in the same fashion.  

Name one thing LW has done since he's been here that leads you to believe he isn't totally in over his head.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2012, 06:11:14 PM
Crean left partly because of the university as well.  Crean gave us 9 years.  Buzz would have given us 4 and should be grateful as anyone that MU gave him a lottery ticket to coach this program.  That is also the huge difference.

Crean left for what he deemed a better job and said he didn't want to give Marquette the option of countering Indiana's offer because he knew that could have led to him changing his mind.  Buzz would be leaving for a worse job and leaving a administration made up of people who didn't give him that lottery ticket.  I don't know who's right or wrong in this disagreement between Buzz and the higher ups, but it's clear it's way more significant than whatever issues Crean had.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 06:12:14 PM
It might be that black and white. Why not run with the kids Buzz is recruiting? They are here on basketball scholarship, not per med.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
It's not that black and white. 

Can you envision this line of thinking in the athletic department?  Why can't you go to the existing coach and say pull back a bunch.  You took some chances on some kids early on because you felt you had to in order to fill scholarships and keep the program at a certain level.  Now you don't have to do that, you have proven you can coach you don't need to take as many risks.  I'll bet there are people in the university that feel that approach is not only workable, but can be successful as it was in years prior at MU and other schools.

So you don't see a problem with an administration dictating to the Head basketball Coach how to run his program?? The Dallas Cowboys are a good example here. Why do you think so many Coaches never want that job?? Because Jerry Jones sticks his nose everywhere in regards to the day to day operations of the football team. He has no business doing that and then expecting his Coach to be successful.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Da 'Lanche on March 25, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
I heard Fr. Pilarz wants us to be a Division III program with no scholarships except for academics

What makes the above statement any different than "alumni" in the know who say the new president and A.D. want to downgrade the coaching stature and salary and be happy with a mid-major type program?    

The fact is that both these gentlemen have been hired by a Board of Trustees who, one would think, asked questions of each during interviews (especially the president of the university) their thoughts, outlook, philosophy on the future of athletics at MU and especially Men's BB since that is what funds all other programs.   This, by the way, is the same BOT that approved construction of the Al McGuire Center and approved the current high salary (raised tremendously last year to ward off poachers) of the current coach.....Think that this Board hired someone who wants to take MU hoops down a notch or 3?    The same Board that realized the tremendous positive impact of the last final 4 run on admissions, donations and prestige?

I can accept that maybe they have conflict with Buzz and maybe even want him out because of a perceived lack of institutional control on players off the court and its potential damage on the university.   To spout out with certainty and fact that the current president and A.D. are douchebags who want MU hoops downgraded seems like , as others have said, bull.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 06:20:46 PM
So you don't see a problem with an administration dictating to the Head basketball Coach how to run his program?? The Dallas Cowboys are a good example here. Why do you think so many Coaches never want that job?? Because Jerry Jones sticks his nose everywhere in regards to the day to day operations of the football team. He has no business doing that and then expecting his Coach to be successful.


The difference of course is that the Cowboys are in the football business...while MU is in the education business and basketball is a means toward that end.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 06:23:53 PM
Hoop....first time since CUSA that we are going backwards in conference. Things change and so does the target. We spend crazy money to achieve decent levels and may e they think is it really worth it? We spend like we have Kentucky type success and are no better than Xavier.


Maybe they have a point.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 06:27:43 PM

The difference of course is that the Cowboys are in the football business...while MU is in the education business and basketball is a means toward that end.

Aren't you Mr. High and Mighty.  ::) Not being an alum, I could personally care less about anything that happens with the school in reality. I care about the success of the basketball program, period. And I won't be renewing my season tickets, or making anymore donations(not just to the athletic department) if they run Buzz out.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 06:32:37 PM
Aren't you Mr. High and Mighty.  ::) Not being an alum, I could personally care less about anything that happens with the school in reality. I care about the success of the basketball program, period. And I won't be renewing my season tickets, or making anymore donations(not just to the athletic department) if they run Buzz out.


Well that is your deal.  I care a lot more about the University than it's basketball program...even though I realize they are both intertwined.  And I'm not being "high and mighty."  Basketball simply isn't MU's ultimate goal.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 25, 2012, 06:33:48 PM
If Buzz do accept the SMU job then we HAVE to go after a big name coach to keep Marquette somewhat relevant.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 06:35:50 PM

Well that is your deal.  I care a lot more about the University than it's basketball program...even though I realize they are both intertwined.  And I'm not being "high and mighty."  Basketball simply isn't MU's ultimate goal.

And what you aren't getting is YOUR(you being an alum) current administration doesn't think that BB is THAT important to a University's image, donations etc. And they are fine with that. They want to "improve the University", by downgrading their bell cow. That's their goal, believe it or not. If you think after that that your University will EVER be the same, and you can still be proud of it, then that's your deal.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 06:37:21 PM
If Buzz do accept the SMU job then we HAVE to go after a big name coach to keep Marquette somewhat relevant.

Not going to happen. This current administration does NOT want to pay Elite money for a Head BB coach. MU will become essentially SLU.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: reinko on March 25, 2012, 06:42:35 PM
If Buzz do accept the SMU job then we HAVE to go after a big name coach to keep Marquette somewhat relevant.

Insane assessment.  My mind is BLOWN.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Daniel on March 25, 2012, 06:43:26 PM
Not going to happen. This current administration does NOT want to pay Elite money for a Head BB coach. MU will become essentially SLU.

Bu what Fr Wild understood was that elite basketball brings in millions of dollars of free advertising for the Univeristy, and record applications and admissions.   That's all good stuff which affects the core of the University and its mission.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: reinko on March 25, 2012, 06:44:29 PM
Not going to happen. This current administration does NOT want to pay Elite money for a Head BB coach. MU will become essentially SLU.


Please please please source this.  Honestly, pretty please with sugar on top.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Da 'Lanche on March 25, 2012, 06:45:02 PM
And what you aren't getting is YOUR(you being an alum) current administration doesn't think that BB is THAT important to a University's image, donations etc. And they are fine with that. They want to "improve the University", by downgrading their bell cow. That's their goal, believe it or not. If you think after that that your University will EVER be the same, and you can still be proud of it, then that's your deal.
And you have the great privilege of knowing this information....how exactly?

I am an alumnus and care about the academic, student life, athletics and culture of the university.    I also want a top notch administration to drive a vision forward for my alma mater.   So, please, tell us how you have come to know intimately of the desires, dreams, wishes and culture of our current president and athletic director as it relates to their views on our men's basketball program.   Seriously, your request for us to "believe it or not" is somewhat dependent on that nuance.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 06:45:16 PM
And what you aren't getting is YOUR(you being an alum) current administration doesn't think that BB is THAT important to a University's image, donations etc. And they are fine with that. They want to "improve the University", by downgrading their bell cow. That's their goal, believe it or not. If you think after that that your University will EVER be the same, and you can still be proud of it, then that's your deal.


Well I don't really believe the nightmare scenario that you have set forth.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 25, 2012, 06:45:47 PM
So what happens when Buzz stays...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: turk17 on March 25, 2012, 06:46:29 PM
I'm sick of talking/thinking about it.  Come what may, I'll decide how it feels when it happens (or, more likely, when it doesn't happen).
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Da 'Lanche on March 25, 2012, 06:51:02 PM
So what happens when Buzz stays...

We move on to discussing the lack of attendance and enthusiasm of our current student body at basketball games or if Vander is the antichrist.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 06:53:08 PM
Name one thing LW has done since he's been here that leads you to believe he isn't totally in over his head.

Honestly, he hasn't been here long enough to do anything great or anything terrible.

I mean, what could/should Larry do that would make you think he is awesome?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Warriors10 on March 25, 2012, 06:54:38 PM
We move on to discussing the lack of attendance and enthusiasm of our current student body at basketball games or if Vander is the antichrist.

There was no need for teal.  That is what really will happen.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 25, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
Insane assessment.  My mind is BLOWN.

Care to elaborate? Buzz has clearly brought MU up a notch since he was hired. We need some one in here that will keep the success going or at the very least
keep us relevant. ESPN loves Shaka Smart. Im just saying :/
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hamostradamus on March 25, 2012, 06:58:32 PM
Honestly, he hasn't been here long enough to do anything great or anything terrible.

I mean, what could/should Larry do that would make you think he is awesome?

1. Correctly pronounce the names of major donors.
2. Publicly display a modicum of enthusiasm over the new lacrosse team.
3. Publicly congratulate the Men's basketball team, and its coach, on a fine season.

These are very arcane concepts. I only know about them because I am something of a genius. I would not expect LW to know of these things that I teach you.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 06:59:49 PM

What you are missing or not getting is the douchebaggery that is LW and yes, Fr. Pilarsz as well. They do NOT care about the BB program like most in charge would. Their "vision" is to improve the University and it's "image", and they are so smart they think that can be done without a relevant BB program. Unfortunately,  I think we are all about to find out. LW came from Notre Dame. Notre Dame has not made a Sweet 16 in many years. But they are credited with being a "prestigious" school. That's fine with the folks at ND. Their BB program doesn't make their school, and that's what they want at MU.

Alright, now I'm just going to call BS.

I realize ND and MU are rivals, but ND is a fine institution, and last time I checked, they run a HUGE athletic department with success in a lot of sports, including Men's basketball. I would say ND understands exactly how important athletics are to a private school.

Fr. Pilarz came from Georgetown, a basketball only school that generates a large amount of operating income from men's basketball.

You mean to tell me, in the past 6 months, these 2 guys have conspired and believe that MU basketball isn't that important to MU?

Right? That's what I'm supposed to believe?

It's just not believable. You get that, right?

What you are saying makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: reinko on March 25, 2012, 07:00:50 PM
Care to elaborate? Buzz has clearly brought MU up a notch since he was hired. We need some one in here that will keep the success going or at the very least
keep us relevant. ESPN loves Shaka Smart. Im just saying :/

Just never thought, that if MU lost a top notch coach, we should go after an up and comer with loads of potential.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 07:02:30 PM
1. Correctly pronounce the names of major donors.
2. Publicly display a modicum of enthusiasm over the new lacrosse team.
3. Publicly congratulate the Men's basketball team, and its coach, on a fine season.

These are very arcane concepts. I only know about them because I am something of a genius. I would not expect LW to know of these things that I teach you.

You're right. Let's light the torches and run that SOB out of town.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 25, 2012, 07:03:26 PM

Because I was so distraught and angry and not thinking clearly. He did mention something that the new Admin MAY think that Buzz's boot camp may be treating the players to harshly. I would also ASSUME it's in reference to Buzz having his players backs, regardless. LW wants to do things the Notre Dame way.

I certainly get that to some degree in the sense it would knock you for a loop so how do you respond?

Buzz is an extremely young coach. It's clear he is learning every single day and I've been one to harp on his inexperience before as he's made some very public mistakes but I truly do feel he is rectifying that.

I get that the new crew wants to put their stamp on it but it would be incredibly shortsighted to only give the evidence a 6-10 month evaluation period. Learning to grow is part of the MU culture and it has worked wonders both for the highly visible coaches on our history all the way down to the regular students.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 07:05:30 PM
I certainly get that to some degree in the sense it would knock you for a loop so how do you respond?

Buzz is an extremely young coach. It's clear he is learning every single day and I've been one to harp on his inexperience before as he's made some very public mistakes but I truly do feel he is rectifying that.

I get that the new crew wants to put their stamp on it but it would be incredibly shortsighted to only give the evidence a 6-10 month evaluation period. Learning to grow is part of the MU culture and it has worked wonders both for the highly visible coaches on our history all the way down to the regular students.


But the new regime hasn't been here long enough to absorb the MU culture.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MattyWarrior on March 25, 2012, 07:07:00 PM
Hes finally got his program to the point of balanced classes and the 2013 kids said they verballed to play for Buzz
plus he said he loves his guys. The trust issue is big, you don't just walk away from that if what you said was the truth.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 25, 2012, 07:08:24 PM
Just never thought, that if MU lost a top notch coach, we should go after an up and comer with loads of potential.

Took a mid major to the final four. He is already proven if u ask me
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 07:09:27 PM
1. Correctly pronounce the names of major donors.

Someone's salty.

4. Give out good high-fives after big road game wins.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Chili on March 25, 2012, 07:12:15 PM
Not going to happen. This current administration does NOT want to pay Elite money for a Head BB coach. MU will become essentially SLU.

My issue with this is that Buzz's salary is NOT paid by university funds, he is paid by large donors who give specifically to the coaches salary. These donors also have a LARGE say in who is hired and who is not since it is their money, not Marquette's. Something here doesn't add up. Turning down MILLIONS in donations seems to be completely assbackwards.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 07:13:08 PM
My issue with this is that Buzz's salary is NOT paid by university funds, he is paid by large donors who give specifically to the coaches salary. These donors also have a LARGE say in who is hired and who is not since it is their money, not Marquette's. Something here doesn't add up. Turning down MILLIONS in donations seems to be completely assbackwards.

And Marquette is doing vast studies and interviews to try and determine why endowment is so low...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 07:14:21 PM
And you have the great privilege of knowing this information....how exactly?

I am an alumnus and care about the academic, student life, athletics and culture of the university.    I also want a top notch administration to drive a vision forward for my alma mater.   So, please, tell us how you have come to know intimately of the desires, dreams, wishes and culture of our current president and athletic director as it relates to their views on our men's basketball program.   Seriously, your request for us to "believe it or not" is somewhat dependent on that nuance.

From a donor and alum that would know. It's not that hard to figure out either. If LW and FP cared as much about the BB program as Father Wild and Cottingham did, they would A. Let Buzz run his program the way he sees fit(without cheating of course), let him bring in the type of kids he needs/wants to bring in to try to take MU to the next level, and let him run the basketball operation. They aren't. They are trying to dictate to Buzz how THEY want to see things run. B. If you care about the BB program, you understand that by running Buzz out, the fall out will be astronomical. Almost all(if not all) the current players will leave, the recruits will de commit, and no Coach worth his salt will come in under those circumstances. C. LW now views the current BE(or soon to be current BE) as more of a "mid major" conference than a major conference, and because of that, thinks MU will never achieve greater than Sweet 16's. He figures he can get that from pretty much any Coach, that he doesn't have to pay elite wages to. IOW, they don't feel like they will ever get the return on their investment that they are currently paying, at least not with the "new" vision they have for how the BB side of things should be run(rumblings they MAY be looking at raising the academic standards for incoming athletes....like ND).

Simply put, they are willing to downgrade the BB program at it's current level in exchange for a little more less negative publicity, only failing to realize that by doing this, the publicity they get will reach astronomical levels. None of this would be happening if they would have done the right thing and hired Broeker as the AD. That should have been everyone's first clue that something was amiss.

I hope Buzz has a change of heart and he stays and things can be repaired or some influential alums/donors(like Dick Strong etc) can step in and stop this at the last minute, but barring that.....
Title: CBS now saying MU gives SMU Permission to talk to Buzz
Post by: brewnewsman on March 25, 2012, 07:16:54 PM


http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rapid-reports/post/18044737
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 07:18:10 PM
My issue with this is that Buzz's salary is NOT paid by university funds, he is paid by large donors who give specifically to the coaches salary. These donors also have a LARGE say in who is hired and who is not since it is their money, not Marquette's. Something here doesn't add up. Turning down MILLIONS in donations seems to be completely assbackwards.

What you said negates the premise of many of today's posts.  

Maybe, some of today's posters should wait for some facts before they conclude that Buzz is gone, and it's due to the agenda of the new administration.  

How many pages of posts does it take to constitute a meltdown?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MUFlutieEffect on March 25, 2012, 07:19:20 PM
Nothing more than SMU wants Buzz and is willingly to pay but it was written by Goodman who is Buzz's BFF so that gives me a 1% concern.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18025287/smu-pursuing-marquettes-buzz-williams

As an undergrad in the Fall of 2010, I took the Intro to Sports Leadership course (the first course in the new Masters' program).  Buzz came in for a "lesson" (despite the fact that 12 of the 13 of us in the class worked for Athletics in some capacity and already knew him). 

The one comment that he repeated multiple times was that he never wanted to coach anywhere else.  He wouldn't leave for the NBA, he wouldn't leave for another program.  This would be his last job coaching basketball, regardless of how long his tenure lasted. 

Whether those comments were made to please the crowd (who's livelihood depends largely on his success), or was entirely honest I don't know.  I guess we'll all find out together.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 07:22:17 PM
As an undergrad in the Fall of 2010, I took the Intro to Sports Leadership course (the first course in the new Masters' program).  Buzz came in for a "lesson" (despite the fact that 12 of the 13 of us in the class worked for Athletics in some capacity and already knew him). 

The one comment that he repeated multiple times was that he never wanted to coach anywhere else.  He wouldn't leave for the NBA, he wouldn't leave for another program.  This would be his last job coaching basketball, regardless of how long his tenure lasted. 

Whether those comments were made to please the crowd (who's livelihood depends largely on his success), or was entirely honest I don't know.  I guess we'll all find out together.


Different administration in the Fall of 2010 than now.
Title: The mother of all gut punches
Post by: MU Avenue on March 25, 2012, 07:25:49 PM
It would be the mother of all gut punches if Buzz Williams were to leave Marquette for Southern Methodist University or any other school.

He has stated publicly and repeatedly that he wants to be at Marquette for as long as Marquette will have him.

Buzz is honest and a man of integrity. He says what he means and means what he says.

And because he says what he means and means what he says, Buzz should state for all to hear and read that Marquette is home.
Title: Re: The mother of all gut punches
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 25, 2012, 07:27:22 PM
He will respond to any email honestly, send an email and hell probably tell you exactly how he feels.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 07:27:32 PM
Well, thank you for your perspective muguru.  I am done with the speculation until we know for certain what is going on.  We will see what happens.
Title: Re: The mother of all gut punches
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 07:28:02 PM
Yeah, c'mon Buzz!  You say "your assistants" read this stuff and pass it along to you, so how about coming on here and putting out this fire once and for all.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 25, 2012, 07:28:05 PM
I'm taking the position that there's no way Buzz leaves this year with Junior (his son) here for one more year.
Title: Re: The mother of all gut punches
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 07:28:46 PM
It would be the mother of all gut punches if Buzz Williams were to leave Marquette for Southern Methodist University or any other school.

He has stated publicly and repeatedly that he wants to be at Marquette for as long as Marquette will have him.

Buzz is honest and a man of integrity. He says what he means and means what he says.

And because he says what he means and means what he says, Buzz should state for all to hear and read that Marquette is home.

I bolded the key part for you.
Title: Re: The mother of all gut punches
Post by: mviale on March 25, 2012, 07:29:21 PM
I hate that every year we have to suffer a loss and then rumors of our coach leaving.  Enough already
Title: Re: The mother of all gut punches
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 07:29:42 PM
Buzz leaving would be kick in  the balls. Probably would be the final push I need to de-emphasize sports in my life. First Favre to Vikings, Prince to Tigers and then....  Really think it would break my desire to care about our teams.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 07:30:50 PM
I'm taking the position that there's no way Buzz leaves this year with Junior (his son) here for one more year.

My intial thoughts when this first broke was the same thing as you. There is NO WAY Buzz could leave those kids. And he couldn't/wouldn't, unless.....it's not his choice.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 07:32:24 PM
If Buzz wants out, why SMU?  Why not talk to Illinois, or Kansas State when Martin leaves?  South Carolina or any other job that will inevitably open up in the next few days.  Why take this (basketball speaking) backwater job?  For the money?  They will run him out of town in three years if he does not produce.  See Matt Doherty.   And the standard of "produce" will be really high given his pay check.

If Buzz put living in Dallas ahead of the team/school, he is killing his career.

It just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mviale on March 25, 2012, 07:32:35 PM
Until Buzz speaks. This is ALL BS from men in their basements.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 25, 2012, 07:34:20 PM
My intial thoughts when this first broke was the same thing as you. There is NO WAY Buzz could leave those kids. And he couldn't/wouldn't, unless.....it's not his choice.

If the Administration is as pissed and displeased as you believe it to be, why not just fire him?

Sure, you take the hit on buyouts and a few confused looks but it would then give them the bully pulpit they seem to want to "right the wrongs" of the program and set the standard for a new one.

If they have the balls to think this will work, then show those balls to all the public. I don't see it.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 25, 2012, 07:34:59 PM
Why would MU silently push him away anyway? and why would he choose SMU if he was being pushed...this really is idiotic from the so-called guru. Buzz will be back.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: warthog-driver on March 25, 2012, 07:36:14 PM
say it enough times
baseless rumor becomes fact
buzz is not leaving
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 07:37:03 PM
Until Buzz speaks. This is ALL BS from men in their basements.

Speak for yourself.  I am in my garage - man cave....watching Ax Men!  Buzz kinda reminds me of Shelby...... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The mother of all gut punches
Post by: warthog-driver on March 25, 2012, 07:37:41 PM
nothing more bizarre
than montana as a chief
musial extinct
Title: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 07:38:37 PM
That's all we'd be if the BOT, Pilarz, and Larry blow up the byline of this university.
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 07:40:05 PM
That's all we'd be if the BOT, Pilarz, and Larry blow up the byline of this university.

+1
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: warthog-driver on March 25, 2012, 07:40:28 PM
horrific odor
gut wrenching eye watering
real chili for lunch
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: reinko on March 25, 2012, 07:41:51 PM
Took a mid major to the final four. He is already proven if u ask me

Totally gotcha.  Yeah, I am on board.  If Buzz leaves, I agree, MU should try to find a qualified replacement.  I was totally leaning toward MU hiring some crumb bum with no upside.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 07:43:03 PM
Totally gotcha.  Yeah, I am on board.  If Buzz leaves, I agree, MU should try to find a qualified replacement.  I was totally leaning toward MU hiring some crumb bum with no upside.  Thanks again.

I was thinking Darrin Horn as well.
Title: Re: The mother of all gut punches
Post by: 79Warrior on March 25, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
He will respond to any email honestly, send an email and hell probably tell you exactly how he feels.

I have had several email exchanges with Buzz. My most recent was sent Friday. Radio silence since then.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 07:45:51 PM
Why would MU silently push him away anyway? and why would he choose SMU if he was being pushed...this really is idiotic from the so-called guru. Buzz will be back.

Because even though it's a step down(ok more then one step, about 1,000 steps down), it's in Texas. Illinois isn't, Kansas State isn't, no other job that's open is. So.....if he's being pushed out, he either: A. Takes a lesser job that is at least home, or B. Go to a higher profile job that isn't home. C. Doesn't Coach anywhere until something he likes opens up(not realistic).

I think it's human nature when one faces adversity, and you are away from home, going back home helps provide some level of comfort and relief to better cope with the trauma.

As far as why they would "silently" push him away....because if they fire him, they would get absolutely run through the ringer for it. This way, they can TRY to spin it as Buzz is the bad guy and he took the SMU job on his own volition, and they are off the hook.

I really hope Buzz stays and things can get smoothed over, but there are definitely bad under tones surrounding this one, and I wouldn't be so quick to laugh it off as not being possible.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 07:47:33 PM
1. Correctly pronounce the names of major donors.


He has trouble pronouncing the name DICK STRONG.

I find that hard to believe for a man of his education.  Did he call corpsman and pronounce CORPSE MAN?  Smart people make mistakes, especially early on in the job.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 07:48:57 PM
From a donor and alum that would know. It's not that hard to figure out either. If LW and FP cared as much about the BB program as Father Wild and Cottingham did, they would A. Let Buzz run his program the way he sees fit(without cheating of course), let him bring in the type of kids he needs/wants to bring in to try to take MU to the next level, and let him run the basketball operation. They aren't. They are trying to dictate to Buzz how THEY want to see things run. B. If you care about the BB program, you understand that by running Buzz out, the fall out will be astronomical. Almost all(if not all) the current players will leave, the recruits will de commit, and no Coach worth his salt will come in under those circumstances. C. LW now views the current BE(or soon to be current BE) as more of a "mid major" conference than a major conference, and because of that, thinks MU will never achieve greater than Sweet 16's. He figures he can get that from pretty much any Coach, that he doesn't have to pay elite wages to. IOW, they don't feel like they will ever get the return on their investment that they are currently paying, at least not with the "new" vision they have for how the BB side of things should be run(rumblings they MAY be looking at raising the academic standards for incoming athletes....like ND).

Run it as he sees fit.  So should he even have a boss?  Should he have any accountability at all, or just run it as he sees fit and whatever happens happens.  If the team gets his university on the front pages for unsavory activity, it's ok because he should be able to run it as he sees fit.

I'd suggest you become a college basketball fan of Kentucky or Memphis where this stuff truly is allowed.
Title: Re: The mother of all gut punches
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 25, 2012, 07:49:04 PM
I hate that every year we have to suffer a loss and then rumors of our coach leaving.  Enough already

Certainly can't blame Buzz for this.  he says he is staying here, and that nothing will change that.  So far he has been true to his word, and we still have no reason to doubt him.  Trust him!
Title: 4everwarriors: A translation, please
Post by: MU Avenue on March 25, 2012, 07:49:21 PM
That's all we'd be if the BOT, Pilarz, and Larry blow up the byline of this university.

4everwarriors, I do not understand your opening comment in this thread -- “… blow up the byline of this university.”

What does that mean?

Blow up the byline?

Huhhhhh? You have to translate that one.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Gato78 on March 25, 2012, 07:59:05 PM
That isn't true at all. Crean had a great relationship with Fr. Wild and Greg Kliehban--so much so, he had a sit down apology to them after he left. Crean left for only one resoan: he saw 6 or 7 jobs as elite and Indiana was one of them. He wants to get an NCAA title and Indiana would make that more likely for him. Rectruiting would also be easier for him. He actually pulled the Houdini act because he didn't want Strong and Wild to convince him to stay. Crean did not leave because of the University at all, it was an obstacle to him leaving. Get your facts straight.

Crean left partly because of the university as well.  Crean gave us 9 years.  Buzz would have given us 4 and should be grateful as anyone that MU gave him a lottery ticket to coach this program.  That is also the huge difference.
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 07:59:22 PM
4ever....sad part is we have seen this movie before. Why does our history have such negative vibes towards ball program from administration? Al fought it, they all have fought it regardless of who is in charge. We are on the cusp of being really, really relevant and not sure why anyone would jag that up.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: muguru on March 25, 2012, 07:59:53 PM
Run it as he sees fit.  So should he even have a boss?  Should he have any accountability at all, or just run it as he sees fit and whatever happens happens.  If the team gets his university on the front pages for unsavory activity, it's ok because he should be able to run it as he sees fit.

I'd suggest you become a college basketball fan of Kentucky or Memphis where this stuff truly is allowed.

Unsavory activity?? What happened with all the incidents weren't good, but they weren't major incidents either. Does everyone want their athletes to be model kids?? Of course, but sometimes they just aren't. Boys will be boys. The administration is making a mountain out of a mole hill with the things that happened. They are scared. Bottom line, if people would stop talking about it, stop drawing attention to it etc, it would go away.
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 08:00:01 PM
To a large extent the basketball program here authors the majority of the chapters in the Marquette story. It is the signature that identifies Marquette University.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 08:00:23 PM
Gato....you are flat out wrong.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 25, 2012, 08:01:54 PM
Funny... How is shelby still alive ???   ;D
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: marquette09 on March 25, 2012, 08:02:35 PM
That isn't true at all. Crean had a great relationship with Fr. Wild and Greg Kliehban--so much so, he had a sit down apology to them after he left. Crean left for only one resoan: he saw 6 or 7 jobs as elite and Indiana was one of them. He wants to get an NCAA title and Indiana would make that more likely for him. Rectruiting would also be easier for him. He actually pulled the Houdini act because he didn't want Strong and Wild to convince him to stay. Crean did not leave because of the University at all, it was an obstacle to him leaving. Get your facts straight.


This ought to be interesting.....
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 08:05:58 PM
Unfortunately there is always someone that thinks their chapter is more interesting read. If they fxxk this up it will be the last straw for me.
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 08:06:53 PM
4ever....sad part is we have seen this movie before. Why does our history have such negative vibes towards ball program from administration? Al fought it, they all have fought it regardless of who is in charge. We are on the cusp of being really, really relevant and not sure why anyone would jag that up.


Goose, I think it has a lot to do with the university wanting to give the perception that it is something more than it actually is. For example, Jesuit ideals of scholarship are more virtuous than athletic success. Facts are that, for whatever reasons, the school doesn't embrace the benefits an elite basketball program can bring their way, even if the major benefit translates into increased dollars.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Sir Lawrence on March 25, 2012, 08:11:56 PM
He has trouble pronouncing the name DICK STRONG.

I find that hard to believe for a man of his education.  Did he call corpsman and pronounce CORPSE MAN?  Smart people make mistakes, especially early on in the job.
Actually, I think this is a bigger deal than folks might think.  Generally, donors want a modicome of recognition.  When one drops six figures, or more, into an institution, those working for that institution ought to at a minimum know how to pronounce the donors' name.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Gato78 on March 25, 2012, 08:13:31 PM
I don't think so. If so, where am I wrong?

Gato....you are flat out wrong.
Title: Re: The mother of all gut punches
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
That perception is held by many alums as well. I am part of a family of well over a dozen MU alums and love the place. But I do know our place in the food chain of higher education. No ball the school will struggle mightily in my opinion.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 08:13:52 PM
That isn't true at all. Crean had a great relationship with Fr. Wild and Greg Kliehban--so much so, he had a sit down apology to them after he left. Crean left for only one resoan: he saw 6 or 7 jobs as elite and Indiana was one of them. He wants to get an NCAA title and Indiana would make that more likely for him. Rectruiting would also be easier for him. He actually pulled the Houdini act because he didn't want Strong and Wild to convince him to stay. Crean did not leave because of the University at all, it was an obstacle to him leaving. Get your facts straight.



That dickhead floated his name out there for every opening presented after the debacle in New Orleans. I'm convinced he planned to use MU as a stepping stone gig from the moment he accepted the job. He bolted and never looked back.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 08:16:06 PM
He was told he needed to win at a bigger stage. He knew his FF free pass was running out and ran before things got hot in the kitchen. IU did not call him, he called them because e could not run fast enough.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 08:16:57 PM
Actually, I think this is a bigger deal than folks might think.  Generally, donors want a modicome of recognition.  When one drops six figures, or more, into an institution, those working for that institution ought to at a minimum know how to pronounce the donors' name.


I guess I missed it... how did Wms pronounce it?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Gato78 on March 25, 2012, 08:18:37 PM
He floated his name and made a lot of money because of it. He turned several schools down but he did float his name, and probably initiated contact, for jobs that met his description of elite including Kansas and Ohio State. I can see how people dislike him and his tactics but he had opportunities at many places while at MU and turned them down.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 25, 2012, 08:28:04 PM
He was told he needed to win at a bigger stage. He knew his FF free pass was running out and ran before things got hot in the kitchen. IU did not call him, he called them because e could not run fast enough.

Why would Crean leave what potentially was the most talented squad in his tenure? Especially if he had to win at a "bigger stage"? That team would have been his best opportunity to fulfill their wishes.

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
How many big games did Crean win without Wade? If he failed with his best chance he knew his place in college backing order would go down. He could not win big games and that is a fact. The act was growing old because return on investment was shrinking.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: avid1010 on March 25, 2012, 08:31:54 PM
He floated his name and made a lot of money because of it. He turned several schools down but he did float his name, and probably initiated contact, for jobs that met his description of elite including Kansas and Ohio State. I can see how people dislike him and his tactics but he had opportunities at many places while at MU and turned them down.

I'm not in the know, but those who are have told me he never had other offers...was considered but never offered, and that he was very arrogant from day one as far as saying he wouldn't be around forever.  We can only hope Buzz watched TC act like a complete jerk and realized he never wanted to be that guy.  Buzz flat out said he'd never leave Junior or Chris.  If that was all a lie, then I just assume he leave now.  I don't want a coach that preaches character and lies through his teeth. You don't say you'll never leave Junior or Chris, preach morals and ethics, and then leave Junior or Chris for ANY school.  I believe Buzz will be at MU for a long time, and I find him sincere.  I don't believe he acts strictly on emotion and is as unpredictable as many believe.  It wasn't just by dumb luck that the man ended up as the coach of MU...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 25, 2012, 08:36:42 PM
I think we can breathe a little easy. Word is that Seth Greenberg of VT is the top candidate of the SMU job.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 08:38:11 PM
For a fact, Illinois interviewed him and didn't offer the job. Didn't dig him or the horse he rode in on.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 08:39:05 PM
I think we can breathe a little easy. Word is that Seth Greenberg of VT is the top candidate of the SMU job.

No way.  I'll bet he doesn't have 15 pages of posts on VT's blog?  Teal, teal, teal.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 25, 2012, 08:46:24 PM
I think we can breathe a little easy. Word is that Seth Greenberg of VT is the top candidate of the SMU job.

You mean Buzz Williams is staying?  He's always been so quiet about the matter.  It's not like he ever said he intended to stay or anything.

(This isn't a shot at the above poster, more at the out of control lunacy this thread has turned into)
Title: Self Envoked Dead Penalty...
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 08:48:28 PM
or the equivalent there of is about to be executed by Marquette's administration.....unf*ckin' real.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 08:50:01 PM
You mean Buzz Williams is staying?  He's always been so quiet about the matter.  It's not like he ever said he intended to stay or anything.

(This isn't a shot at the above poster, more at the out of control lunacy this thread has turned into)

+2
Title: Re: Self Envoked Dead Penalty...
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 08:50:46 PM
Sad thing is only three people will know what you mean by that.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 25, 2012, 08:50:55 PM
If and when Buzz leaves, no matter what the school or circumstance, I will still like him 100x more than his douche bag predecessor.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 08:51:37 PM
It would be lunacy to me if my head was in the sand. Actually sad to me.
Title: Re: Self Envoked Dead Penalty...
Post by: macman320 on March 25, 2012, 08:51:54 PM
like completely suspending a program for a year death penalty?
Title: Re: Self Envoked Dead Penalty...
Post by: Daniel on March 25, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
What do you mean?  And for what?
Title: Re: Self Envoked Dead Penalty...
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 08:53:33 PM
Something like that Mac.....maybe during the down decade we can retire twenty more numbers.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 08:53:49 PM
If and when Buzz leaves, no matter what the school or circumstance, I will still like him 100x more than his douche bag predecessor.


Rican, as you know big difference between the two. Besides, Buzz is essentially being terminated.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 08:55:26 PM
He gone....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 09:00:10 PM
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE "DEATH PENALTY" POST??  IT WAS UP FOR 2 MINUTES AND DISAPPEARED!!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 09:02:01 PM
It was just a fart in the wind!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 25, 2012, 09:03:10 PM
This one?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=31960.msg378307#msg378307
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: chapman on March 25, 2012, 09:04:14 PM
You mean Buzz Williams is staying?  He's always been so quiet about the matter.  It's not like he ever said he intended to stay or anything.

(This isn't a shot at the above poster, more at the out of control lunacy this thread has turned into)

Have your mouthpieces put a couple tidbits out there, get the heat turned up a little to make sure Larry and Pilarz understand the direction MU Nation wants to head in and understand that they don't control him as they may have learned when their phones were blowing up with pissed off donors all day long, get to pitch what might be a nice job for your worthy assistant, make the fans hate SMU which will boost attendance in games against a bottom feeder.  All in a day's work.  Buzz Williams, ladies and gentlemen, our coach, friggin awesome.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 25, 2012, 09:06:34 PM
Have your mouthpieces put a couple tidbits out there, get the heat turned up a little to make sure Larry and Pilarz understand the direction MU Nation wants to head in and understand that they don't control him as they may have learned when their phones were blowing up with pissed off donors all day long, get to pitch what might be a nice job for your worthy assistant, make the fans hate SMU which will boost attendance in games against a bottom feeder.  All in a day's work.  Buzz Williams, ladies and gentlemen, our coach, friggin awesome.

lol i like that
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 09:08:31 PM
Have your mouthpieces put a couple tidbits out there, get the heat turned up a little to make sure Larry and Pilarz understand the direction MU Nation wants to head in and understand that they don't control him as they may have learned when their phones were blowing up with pissed off donors all day long, get to pitch what might be a nice job for your worthy assistant, make the fans hate SMU which will boost attendance in games against a bottom feeder.  All in a day's work.  Buzz Williams, ladies and gentlemen, our coach, friggin awesome.

This morning this thread was three pages and dying until IWB's twitter post.  Then it blew up to 16 pages.

This is the only new "fact" we have ... per IWB MU granted SMU permission to talk to Buzz and he is "listening" (whatever that means).

Everything else here is made up by grown Men in their basement.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 09:09:44 PM
This morning this thread was three pages and dying until IWB's twitter post.  Then it blew up to 16 pages.

This is the only new "fact" we have ... per IWB MU granted SMU permission to talk to Buzz and he is "listening" (whatever that means).

Everything else here is made up by grown Men in their basement.

Still  :)
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 09:10:03 PM
This one?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=31960.msg378307#msg378307


Wow, kinda like Deja vu.  Our moderators are all powerful.  ;D

I say the over/under is 30 pages for this thread by 11:43 tonight.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 25, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
This morning this thread was three pages and dying until IWB's twitter post.  Then it blew up to 16 pages.

This is the only new "fact" we have ... per IWB MU granted SMU permission to talk to Buzz and he is "listening" (whatever that means).

Everything else here is made up by grown Men in their basement.

Some of us grown men have studio apartments for the record....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: GGGG on March 25, 2012, 09:10:29 PM
Everything else here is made up by grown Men in their basement.


Dammit, I take offense to this.

I am sitting on my screened in porch and NOT in my basement!!!!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Daniel on March 25, 2012, 09:10:57 PM
Mods took that one down pretty fast.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 09:11:34 PM
He nailed my location....at least it is my basement and not my Mom's.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hamostradamus on March 25, 2012, 09:11:49 PM
This is the only new "fact" we have ... per IWB MU granted SMU permission to talk to Buzz and he is "listening" (whatever that means).

The next step after "listening" is "Ladies and gentlemen, SMU is please to welcome it's new coach..."  Remember Crean was "listening" to Indiana as far as we knew and he was literally eating dinner in Bloomington a few hours later. There is no intermediate step from here.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 25, 2012, 09:12:11 PM
How many big games did Crean win without Wade? If he failed with his best chance he knew his place in college backing order would go down. He could not win big games and that is a fact. The act was growing old because return on investment was shrinking.

It's subjective as to what is "big" but there are plenty of wins in his career outside of Dwyane's two seasons.

I don't believe one word of what you wrote regarding Crean because you show all the hallmarks of that type of MU fan who cannot look past the notion that Crean left the University so all you do is minimize his accomplishments.

If you want to talk ROI, Crean was a magician regarding attendance and that's a source of revenue that has declined both in perception and reality.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 25, 2012, 09:12:29 PM
Mods took that one down pretty fast.

No, we did not.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 25, 2012, 09:12:40 PM
The next step after "listening" is "Ladies and gentlemen, SMU is please to welcome it's new coach..."  Remember Crean was "listening" to Indiana as far as we knew and he was literally eating dinner in Bloomington a few hours later. There is no intermediate step from here.

Shaka listened to Illinois for two days.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
Wow, kinda like Deja vu.  Our moderators are all powerful.  ;D

I say the over/under is 30 pages for this thread by 11:43 tonight.


For the record, we're amateurs.  The Illini board thread on their coaching search is over 350 PAGES now!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Daniel on March 25, 2012, 09:13:25 PM
No, we did not.

My apologies then.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 09:14:51 PM

For the record, we're amateurs.  The Illini board thread on their coaching search is over 350 PAGES now!

Is Chicos on their board now?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 09:15:03 PM
Golden...unlike on many here I think Crean is a very, very good coach. Did not win big games minus Wade but still was disappointed when he left. Attendance s only part of the ROI and his welcome was slowly being closed.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on March 25, 2012, 09:15:23 PM
Instead of talking in circles I believe an email to Buzz showing your support for him and an email to LW saying he better not let the next Al go will be better then talking about rumors on this message board.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 09:15:58 PM
I heard your guy was seen having Cheese Fries at Snuffers and house hunting in University Park. Of course, I could be wrong? ;D
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 25, 2012, 09:16:06 PM
Isn't there a rule that a coach can't transfer to another school in the same conference?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 09:16:11 PM

For the record, we're amateurs.  The Illini board thread on their coaching search is over 350 PAGES now!

And Stevens turned them down do they are on the third choice.  

This is the downside of the internet for ADs, you can look really bad when someone says no.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 09:16:59 PM
I heard your guy was seen having Cheese Fries at Snuffers and house hunting in University Park. Of course, I could be wrong? ;D

......and the horse you rode in on.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 09:17:38 PM
Buzz is from north Texas, probl. A Plano guy, maybe hp....either way he is set...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 09:18:27 PM
I more wonder where Bedford is going to live...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mviale on March 25, 2012, 09:18:54 PM
agree - give your support to buzz on the facebook.com/gomarquette page
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 09:19:03 PM
Isn't there a rule that a coach can't transfer to another school in the same conference?

No but on an earlier page it was suggested that SMU is a 2013 entrant to the BE.  They are still not completely voted in and an entrance fee still needs to be worked out.  Poaching a coach before you're in is bad form and maybe MU can extract some revenge should the worst happens.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 09:21:15 PM
If we really are talking about Buzz going to SMU? It that happens LW should be arrested for impersonating an AD. Give me a break.......SMU?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 09:21:22 PM
I more wonder where Bedford is going to live...

You can have Bedford.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Oldgym on March 25, 2012, 09:21:53 PM
You can have Bedford.

If you can find him.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 25, 2012, 09:23:23 PM
Reports saying it's a dome deal, Buzz to SMU.

EDIT: I am an MU fan.  Curiosity got the best of me and I spent $10 on the SMU rivals board.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 09:24:41 PM
Buzz isn't going to Leave.

Why.........

Our chili is better than chili  ;)
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 09:25:22 PM
No but on an earlier page it was suggested that SMU is a 2013 entrant to the BE.  They are still not completely voted in and an entrance fee still needs to be worked out.  Poaching a coach before you're in is bad form and maybe MU can extract some revenge should the worst happens.

Actually, the contracts are signed.  We are stuck with each other.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 09:25:27 PM
Really?   I can't believe it....

I wonder what car he will get from sewell....he better grab some garlic brats on the way down, that's the only thing he will miss...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 09:26:18 PM
Obviously not a story because our JS beat writers have not broken anything yet. You know nothing could happen without them knowing days in advance.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 09:27:10 PM
Where's Rosiak when we need him?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 09:28:38 PM
Reports saying it's a dome deal, Buzz to SMU.

EDIT: I am an MU fan.  Curiosity got the best of me and I spent $10 on the SMU rivals board.

Maybe that's true, maybe not.
But there reports last year that Buzz had a contract signed with Oklahoma.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 25, 2012, 09:28:53 PM
Reports saying it's a dome deal, Buzz to SMU.

EDIT: I am an MU fan.  Curiosity got the best of me and I spent $10 on the SMU rivals board.

repost the post from the SMU board that says that.  At first, I thought your post was a bad play on words...Larry Williams, Dome Deal. Get it?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 09:29:13 PM
I hear Bruce weber is interested in moving to Milwaukee....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 09:29:17 PM
Driving back from PHX.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: nyg on March 25, 2012, 09:29:25 PM
Actually, the contracts are signed.  We are stuck with each other.  

Right and the Learjet with the pony on its tail was sighted at Mitchell Field.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 09:30:02 PM
News Flash, news flash......

Tom Crean takes SMU job.  It's SMU, it's SMU.

Hoosier fans rejoice!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 25, 2012, 09:30:29 PM
I hear Bruce weber is interested in moving to Milwaukee....
you've got some gems for posts there 18....keep it up.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 09:31:23 PM
Probably shouldn't repost,rivals staff likes to sue other websites for reposting paid info...

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hamostradamus on March 25, 2012, 09:31:47 PM
Where's Rosiak when we need him?

I am guessing Enlund is playing canasta.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on March 25, 2012, 09:32:24 PM
Oh, Good Lord.  Please stop.  Everyone.  Please.  Stop.  Please.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 09:32:28 PM
Right and the Learjet with the pony on its tail was sighted at Mitchell Field.  

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJA700P/history/20120325/1500Z/KMKE/KDAL
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 09:32:35 PM
Dodds runs your board too?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: LovinCrowder on March 25, 2012, 09:33:16 PM
Instead of talking in circles I believe an email to Buzz showing your support for him and an email to LW saying he better not let the next Al go will be better then talking about rumors on this message board.


I TOTALLY agree with you......we need to make our feelings known to more than just this message board.....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 09:34:29 PM
I just saw oliver purnell grab an Amtrak to mke.....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 09:36:06 PM
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJA700P/history/20120325/1500Z/KMKE/KDAL

Those boys can't even fly straight!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 09:36:23 PM
Right and the Learjet with the pony on its tail was sighted at Mitchell Field.  

I was responding to the post asking about SMU joining the Big East.  Those contracts are signed and complete.  SMU and MU will be stuck together shortly.

I doubt Buzz Williams contracts are close to complete. He would be giving up great job.  Until I hear him on 1310 the ticket, I will be keeping fingers crossed.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: nyg on March 25, 2012, 09:37:43 PM
I was responding to the post asking about SMU joining the Big East.  Those contracts are signed and complete.  SMU and MU will be stuck together shortly.

I doubt Buzz Williams contracts are close to complete. He would be giving up great job.  Until I hear him on 1310 the ticket, I will be keeping fingers crossed.

Brother, it was bad timing with your "contract" talk...........
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 25, 2012, 09:43:32 PM
Sorry, what is this buzz email address that supposedly gets to him? Thx
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 09:44:26 PM
Saw this on the Illini board... is this even possible?

Let me rephrase SMU has offered Buzz Williams a multi year contract for over 20 million and are in current negotiations.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
Buzz.williams@smu.edu
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 09:45:51 PM
Sorry, what is this buzz email address that supposedly gets to him? Thx



Williams, Mr. Brent (Buzz)
(414) 288-7130
Head Men's Basketball Coach
Intercollegiate Athletics
Al McGuire Center
brent.williams@marquette.edu
 
Williams, Mr. Lawrence (Larry)
Vice President and Director of Intercollegiate Athletics
Intercollegiate Athletics
lawrence.williams@marquette.edu
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hamostradamus on March 25, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
nt
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 09:46:09 PM
Beat me to the punch 4ever
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 09:47:42 PM
LW has his finger on the pulse of the situation. Sure he has things well in control.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 09:47:46 PM
Saw this on the Illini board... is this even possible?

Let me rephrase SMU has offered Buzz Williams a multi year contract for over 20 million and are in current negotiations.

Now their is a credible source, another grown man in his basement on the Illini board.

What do the Middle Tennessee State boards say?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 09:47:55 PM
That isn't true at all. Crean had a great relationship with Fr. Wild and Greg Kliehban--so much so, he had a sit down apology to them after he left. Crean left for only one resoan: he saw 6 or 7 jobs as elite and Indiana was one of them. He wants to get an NCAA title and Indiana would make that more likely for him. Rectruiting would also be easier for him. He actually pulled the Houdini act because he didn't want Strong and Wild to convince him to stay. Crean did not leave because of the University at all, it was an obstacle to him leaving. Get your facts straight.


I have said many times Crean left to take a better job.  Indiana is a better program, a better job.  It is a blueblood program. It's Indiana, It's Indiana.  Our fans get all hurt and bothered by that, but it is true and will always be that way.   You seem to imply that I said he left for reasons other than that and that doesn't square with what I have continually said.  IU is a better program than MU.  There is no debate on that.  None.

However, from the things I heard there was some issues with the university as well going back to Cottingham named as the AD.

While we are getting our facts straight, don't you have a law lesson to teach Michael Hunt who said the other day MU broke state law.  He apparently didn't get your lesson here that you taught all of us during the Summer.   :P
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 09:48:07 PM
Age before beauty, Goose.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 09:48:29 PM
What's the wager? Buzz and Benford to SMU, name your price.

Lucky for you we had plenty of money for buzz and didn't want any mu fans to pay out of pockets for his move...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: HoopsMalone on March 25, 2012, 09:48:59 PM
If he had permission to talk to SMU it does not look good.  Toss up at best.   If smu asked for permission they probably know through third parties that Buzz has legit interest.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 09:49:59 PM
Saw this on the Illini board... is this even possible?

Let me rephrase SMU has offered Buzz Williams a multi year contract for over 20 million and are in current negotiations.

They have more money than MU does by many times over.  Another84 is in denial if he continues to not believe it.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 09:51:28 PM
The contact will be just the beginning of what buzz ends up making...

You guys will be fine...we needed the edge...you are welcome at moody anytime...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 09:51:53 PM
Lucky for you we had plenty of money for buzz and didn't want any mu fans to pay out of pockets for his move...

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 09:52:35 PM
Buzz.williams@smu.edu

 :-* :-* :-* that is the spirit.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 09:52:47 PM
Now their is a credible source, another grown man in his basement on the Illini board.

What do the Middle Tennessee State boards say?

Went to UofI, following their board re their coaching search, saw this come up.  They're wondering why they didn't pursue Buzz.

Also following the MSU board.

And I'm in my living room.  Watching TV.  Multitasking.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 09:52:54 PM
And Stevens turned them down do they are on the third choice.  

This is the downside of the internet for ADs, you can look really bad when someone says no.  

Not if you end up with someone that is good.  No one will give a crap.  Panic hires don't do any good either.  Take your time, do it right.  Illinois will be fine.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: nyg on March 25, 2012, 09:53:06 PM
Over 20 million?  Right.......

OK, 7 years at 3M for 21M
      8 years at 3M for 24M

To get clobbered in the Big East for the next 7 to 8 years?  He would probably be fired by then.  SMU will be the new Depaul.

But, for that money, who cares.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 25, 2012, 09:54:13 PM
My god, 18 pages of this crap? Seriously?

If Buzz is stupid enough to go to a lousy crap program like SMU from a top 20 job in the country (pay, resources, facilities, tradition, location), let him go.

If Buzz leaves, this just in, the sun also rose the next day.

Seriously, people are 18 pages worth worried about SMU...it's a punchline.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 25, 2012, 09:55:15 PM
Alright, I'm going to pick on Buzz for a second, so feel free to blast me if needed.

He teaches his players to battle through adversity and pushes them in difficult situations. We know

I would hate for some bumps with the administration to cause Buzz to turn tail and head to SMU.

I WANT Buzz at MU, but I also WANT him to compromise and work well with the administration. IF there are issues, I hope Buzz has developed a decent sense of loyalty to MU and can figure out how to work it out.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Gato78 on March 25, 2012, 09:55:33 PM
Only Murf has been saying that. No question Crean wanted Broeker to be AD and Wild and Kliehban wanted Cottingham. The people I have spoken to who were involved and willing to talk said that was not the case. He simply wanted to go to a gig where he could get to a Final FOur and recruit easier. The Iman Shumpert recruitment was the turning point. I spoke with Crean about Shumpert shortly afterwards and it was evident to me that losing Shumpert had an affect on him. FWIW he was seeking out the blue blood jobs when Cords was still AD.



However, from the things I heard there was some issues with the university as well going back to Cottingham named as the AD.


Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 09:55:37 PM
Just the beginning of what he will make...

He won't be fired....get us to the tourney fill the stadium and get us ready for the next conference realignment....that's the goal....

Dallas is a hotbed of talent, it won't be very long till SMU is competitive....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 25, 2012, 09:55:48 PM
What's going on?  This is all BS right?  SMU...really?  Maybe they have money, but Marquette can actually be successful.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rapid-reports/post/18044737
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 09:56:02 PM

Goose, I think it has a lot to do with the university wanting to give the perception that it is something more than it actually is. For example, Jesuit ideals of scholarship are more virtuous than athletic success. Facts are that, for whatever reasons, the school doesn't embrace the benefits an elite basketball program can bring their way, even if the major benefit translates into increased dollars.

How can you say that when MU is spending so much money on hoops.  MU has the second largest basketball budget in the NCAA DIVISION I program field.  How can you possibly say they don't embrace the benefits of an elite basketball program?

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 09:56:10 PM
They have more money than MU does by many times over.  Another84 is in denial if he continues to not believe it.

Buzz now has a rollover 6 year contract that pays him $2.6 million/year (if the reports are to be believed).  Do the math and that is a $15.6 million contract now.  Probably more like $17 or $18 now when escalators are figured in.  

So if the men in basements making stuff up on the Illini board are correct and he is being offered north of $20 million, that is about a 10% to 15% raise.  

It is not as impressive when put in that context.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
Over 20 million?  Right.......

OK, 7 years at 3M for 21M
      8 years at 3M for 24M

To get clobbered in the Big East for the next 7 to 8 years?  He would probably be fired by then.  SMU will be the new Depaul.

But, for that money, who cares.  

No they won't.  Same reason Crean demanded 10 years on his contract.  You deal with the losses early on and absorb them knowing you will get beat early on but that there will be a turnaround eventually.  If Buzz went to SMU, they would do well, especially if they were willing to "let him run his program" the way he wanted to, or whatever language Guru used.  Let any kids in, don't worry about some of the other stuff.  He would do well and most certainly wouldn't be fired.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 09:58:14 PM
Where you been at? Just crawl out from under a rock?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 09:58:40 PM
84 salary is just the beginning thats what you don't get...if its only 10 or 15% you should step up and pay the difference...
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 10:00:10 PM
How can you say that when MU is spending so much money on hoops.  MU has the second largest basketball budget in the NCAA DIVISION I program field.  How can you possibly say they don't embrace the benefits of an elite basketball program?




If they sheetcan Buzz, what other explanation is there?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 10:00:16 PM
I can tell you that June jones 2.5 mil a year salary is 25% of what he actually makes per year...SMU boosters have other ways to pay
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:00:25 PM
84 salary is just the beginning thats what you don't get...if its only 10 or 15% you should step up and pay the difference...


If you believe numbers from men in basements, why not believe other men in basements when they say MU can match these numbers.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 10:00:33 PM
Buzz now has a rollover 6 year contract that pays him $2.6 million/year (if the reports are to be believed.  Do the math and that is a $15.6 million contract now.  Probably more like $17 or $18 now when escalators are figured in.  

So if the men in basements making stuff up on the Illini board are correct and he is being offered north of $20 million, that is about a 10% to 15% raise.  

It is not as impressive when put in that context.

I can do the math.  Rollover 6 year contract at $2.6 Million is $15.6 million,  a lot less than a $20 million contract with zero state income taxes in the state of Texas.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 10:00:49 PM
No they won't.  Same reason Crean demanded 10 years on his contract.  You deal with the losses early on and absorb them knowing you will get beat early on but that there will be a turnaround eventually.  If Buzz went to SMU, they would do well, especially if they were willing to "let him run his program" the way he wanted to, or whatever language Guru used.  Let any kids in, don't worry about some of the other stuff.  He would do well and most certainly wouldn't be fired.

Buzz has never done a rebuild. There is certainly no guarantee he will have success at a school that hasn't had any. It is not an exaggeration that Buzz did get the MU job handed to him on a silver platter.
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 10:01:40 PM

If they sheetcan Buzz, what other explanation is there?

Who is sheetcanning Buzz?  They are paying him $2.6 million per year.  Please Lord, I hope my employer treats me so poorly and sheetcans me.  No one is sheetcanning Buzz.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 10:01:59 PM
Not buying it.  Where are the nearest feather free wings around here geesh.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 10:02:32 PM
Buzz is being pushed aside.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 10:02:47 PM
It's not a total rebuild, team won over 20 games 2 years ago and don lost them early in the season this year. Dallas and Texas in general has been looking for a reason to get behind program and a yu like buzz can generate that momentum....

My guess buzz salary is 2.75 a year for 8 years, but he actual pay will be more like 7-8 a year
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:03:19 PM
Six days ago Shaka was on a plane to sign with Illinois.

Two days ago Brad Stevens was all inking the contract with Illinois.

Any big school has enough idiots to start rumors and bigger idiots to spread them. Relax.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 10:03:36 PM
Buzz has never done a rebuild. There is certainly no guarantee he will have success at a school that hasn't had any. It is not an exaggeration that Buzz did get the MU job handed to him on a silver platter.

Don't tell the posters here, they will feel insulted.  I agree with you, he won the lottery and got a great gig.  Ready made for success, but Lenny and others will tell you otherwise.

Here's where I disagree with you, however.  In 2008 Buzz won the lottery and the kids played very well for him. That led to him having more success by getting some good players to come to MU.

He doesn't have to prove himself at SMU.  He comes in with 4 NCAA appearances and two straight Sweet 16's, so the rebuild becomes a lot easier.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 10:04:04 PM
Ptm you are my guy....

Anytime you want club seats at moody let me know...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 25, 2012, 10:04:19 PM
Shaka's boss wants him to stay....different situation.
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: Hamostradamus on March 25, 2012, 10:04:35 PM
Who is sheetcanning Buzz?  They are paying him $2.6 million per year.  Please Lord, I hope my employer treats me so poorly and sheetcans me.  No one is sheetcanning Buzz.

Wow, are you serious? Remember when Costanza was forced to enter his office through a vent at Playnow? Are you saying he wasn't being sheetcanned?
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 10:04:41 PM
Who is sheetcanning Buzz?  They are paying him $2.6 million per year.  Please Lord, I hope my employer treats me so poorly and sheetcans me.  No one is sheetcanning Buzz.


Fair enough. How 'bout, from his point of view, they all fell out of love?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 10:05:06 PM
It's not a total rebuild, team won over 20 games 2 years ago and don lost them early in the season this year. Dallas and Texas in general has been looking for a reason to get behind program and a yu like buzz can generate that momentum....

My guess buzz salary is 2.75 a year for 8 years, but he actual pay will be more like 7-8 a year

That's quite a "guess." Easy to spend that when its not your money. Sure, Buzz could do it. But a lot of good coaches that "could" do it, aren't able to. Its very hard to rebuild that culture of a program again. It is not a press of the button, and Buzz owes Marquette a lot for that.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 10:05:12 PM
Buzz is being pushed aside.

Proof.  Making $2.6 million a year is not being pushed aside.  Having his balls squeezed to recruit some kids that will keep MU off the front pages for off the court issues is not being pushed aside.  If that is the case, then blame the players for getting in trouble repeatedly.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 25, 2012, 10:05:25 PM
If Buzz is that dumb to go to SMU, the ponies can have him. Seriously, this is the dumbest thread in the history of Scoop (and that is saying a lot).

How this thread got beyond 1 page is beyond me? SMU basketball is a joke, absolute joke.

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: PonyFanz on March 25, 2012, 10:05:49 PM
 When you come to Dallas for a game, we promise to show you plenty of hospitality.  Our arena should be ready just in time.  Pizza at Campisi's, burgers at Jacks, and Cheese Fries at Snuffers.  

http://www.smumustangs.com/facilities/moody-renovations.html
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 10:06:13 PM

Fair enough. How 'bout, from his point of view, they all fell out of love?

Then Buzz is a thin skinned SOB who better wise up to the world.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
I can tell you that June jones 2.5 mil a year salary is 25% of what he actually makes per year...SMU boosters have other ways to pay

So SMU boosters are paying Jones $10 million/year?  More than the Cowboys pay Jason Garrett?

Are they paying Jones more than Texas Pays Mack Brown and Nick Saban.

Wow ,men in basements in Dallas can tell good stories!

Do the Alumni know they paid $10 million to win the Compass bowl?  The men is basements in Alabama are LMFAO over you guys.  On second thought, maybe you should keep this too yourself.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: nyg on March 25, 2012, 10:07:16 PM
No they won't.  Same reason Crean demanded 10 years on his contract.  You deal with the losses early on and absorb them knowing you will get beat early on but that there will be a turnaround eventually.  If Buzz went to SMU, they would do well, especially if they were willing to "let him run his program" the way he wanted to, or whatever language Guru used.  Let any kids in, don't worry about some of the other stuff.  He would do well and most certainly wouldn't be fired.

SMU was 4 and 12 in CUSA.  They will be lucky to win one game in the Big East.  SMU in all probability is done with recruiting for this year and it will take at least four to five years to be competitive.  This is a total overhaul of a program that is at the bottom of the barrel.  

SMU will not tolerate any "let any kids in", since they tried that in football and see how that worked.  

OK, maybe getting fired was too brutal, but this will not be an easy task for any coach at SMU.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 10:07:28 PM
SMU trolls are having a field day with this thread.  So are a few MU fans.  Buzz isn't going anywhere.  If he is, then we hire someone else and Buzz will become just another liar and typical coach.  No different from the others.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: chren21 on March 25, 2012, 10:07:35 PM
Not buying it.  Where are the nearest feather free wings around here geesh.

Hilarious. Is the serenity now at the top cause of this thread?  (ive read most but not all, maybe mentioned already)
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 10:09:11 PM
When you come to Dallas for a game, we promise to show you plenty of hospitality.  Our arena should be ready just in time.  Pizza at Campisi's, Bugers at Jacks, and Cheese Fries at Snuffers.  

http://www.smumustangs.com/facilities/moody-renovations.html

Live in dallas.. for 8 years... yawwwwwwwwwwn

However, Mickey-D's now sells (huge) $1 sweet teas.. conspiracy?  Could be!  Not like SMU hasn't ever gone under the table like that before :)
Title: Re: Just A Fart In The Wind
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2012, 10:10:01 PM
Then Buzz is a thin skinned SOB who better wise up to the world.



To quote Charles Barkley, "I make 3 million bucks a year. I don't get embarrassed."
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 10:10:08 PM
So SMU boosters are paying Jones $10 million/year?  More than the Cowboys pay Jason Garrett?

Are they paying Jones more than Texas Pays Mack Brown and Nick Saban.

Wow ,men in basements in Dallas can tell good stories!

Do the Alumni know they paid $10 million to win the Compass bowl?  The men is basements in Alabama are LMFAO over you guys.  On second thought, maybe you should keep this too yourself.


Such small thinking, maybe that's why buzz is leaving...we cut our coaches In a lot of oil gas, real estate, hedge funds we are involved in....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: LON on March 25, 2012, 10:10:46 PM
SMU trolls are having a field day with this thread.  So are a few MU fans.  Buzz isn't going anywhere.  If he is, then we hire someone else and Buzz will become just another liar and typical coach.  No different from the others.

Seriously, it's a regular "troll-si-do"
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 10:11:37 PM

Such small thinking, maybe that's why buzz is leaving...we cut our coaches In a lot of oil gas, real estate, hedge funds we are involved in....


For that kind of money you can do better than Buzz.  You should be calling Bill Self or Roy Williams.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 10:11:47 PM
He is right, with the buyout you guys should easily be able to hire a Wisconsin assistant, Oliver Purnell, or even Bruce weber...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2012, 10:12:29 PM
If Buzz is that dumb to go to SMU, the ponies can have him. Seriously, this is the dumbest thread in the history of Scoop (and that is saying a lot).

How this thread got beyond 1 page is beyond me? SMU basketball is a joke, absolute joke.

Personally, I'm pretty sure IWB set this all up, hence my meltdown comment (back on page 2 or something).  Ah, I guess the off-season can't be all boring can it...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on March 25, 2012, 10:13:09 PM
Do the Alumni know they paid $10 million to win the Compass bowl?  The men is basements in Alabama are LMFAO over you guys.  On second thought, maybe you should keep this too yourself.
This. This. This.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 10:13:13 PM

For that kind of money you can do better than Buzz.  You should be calling Bill Self or Roy Williams.

The difference between the elite schools and the mid markets, those schools already have those guys on those deals...

You have to have some Milwaukee alumni who can hook these guys up...maybe a Racine Kringle big whig....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:13:37 PM

Such small thinking, maybe that's why buzz is leaving...we cut our coaches In a lot of oil gas, real estate, hedge funds we are involved in....

So they lose 30% to 50% of their money on top of everything else.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 25, 2012, 10:14:04 PM
If you type "Buzz Williams" into a Yahoo search, the autosearch results are as follows...

Buzz Williams basketball
Buzz Williams Arkansas
Buzz Williams dance
Buzz Williams Texas A&M
Buzz Williams salary
Buzz Williams to Arkansas
Buzz Williams Oklahoma

See a trend there? A year from now, I fully expect "Buzz Williams SMU" to be just as laughable.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 10:14:37 PM
Gerald j ford made 1 billion last Monday...that is his plane that was at mke....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 25, 2012, 10:14:48 PM
The difference between the elite schools and the mid markets, those schools already have those guys on those deals...

You have to have some Milwaukee alumni who can hook these guys up...maybe a Racine Kringle big whig....

When I think of elite schools SMU is right at the top of the list....
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Smu18 on March 25, 2012, 10:16:15 PM
When I think of elite schools SMU is right at the top of the list....

Not sure where that puts you...But we don't need to start comparing stats...

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:18:38 PM
Gerald j ford made 1 billion last Monday...that is his plane that was at mke....

That was a netjets plane in Milw this morning, not a private plane.  Nice try.

FYI - next week when you on the VT board making things up about Seth Greenberg tell them that you use netjets and not private planes so it hides the true intentions.  That will make you sound more knowledgeable.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 10:18:58 PM
On a relatedly motivational subject.. did you hear about Wade and Jones (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats)?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 25, 2012, 10:20:10 PM
Some undisputable facts...

-SMU basketball sucks
-SMU has to grossly overpay someone even halfway decent to come there to coach (again, because SMU basketball sucks)
-SMU is a football school (even only kinda/sorta good at that), SMU basketball still sucks
-SMU has to compete for recruits with Texas/Big 12/SEC, and those recruits often go to those other schools (again, because SMU basketball sucks)
-Even if Buzz Williams decides to go there, SMU basketball will still suck.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on March 25, 2012, 10:20:28 PM
Not sure where that puts you...But we don't need to start comparing stats...


with 1 more NC than SMU
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:20:33 PM
All this SMU and money talk is making the NCAA squirmy.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 10:20:48 PM
As a side not, this thread is now the most replied to thread in Hangin' at the Al history.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 10:22:04 PM
The difference between the elite schools and the mid markets, those schools already have those guys on those deals...

You have to have some Milwaukee alumni who can hook these guys up...maybe a Racine Kringle big whig....

Badger troll.....period.  End this thread.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:22:25 PM
On a relatedly motivational subject.. did you hear about Wade and Jones (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats)?

Famous Cinch Alumni is also a hilarious post to be up there.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 25, 2012, 10:22:41 PM
Not sure where that puts you...But we don't need to start comparing stats...



We can compare Basketball stats all you want, but I am not going to throw around useless financial statistics and pretend to know the details of a contract that doesn't even exist yet, but you seem to be good at spending your wealthy alumni's money.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 25, 2012, 10:22:56 PM
If Buzz leaves for SMU it is for no other reason than the administration saying "you better take the next job that offers you" due to their feeling on the way player conduct has been handled by him over the last couple years.  There is no way he chooses to leave for a loser bball program like SMU over Marquette.  Just no way.  

I don't believe he has done anything wrong on the player conduct issues, but if he leaves, that has to be the only reason.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 25, 2012, 10:23:27 PM
Twitterverse is exploding with Seth Greenberg as top candidate for SMU...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 25, 2012, 10:23:54 PM
Twitterverse is exploding with Seth Greenberg as top candidate for SMU...


Clearly Goose is not on Twitter.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 10:24:37 PM
Badger troll.....period.  End this thread.


Does seem to know way more about the mke area then I know about dull ass.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: National Champs on March 25, 2012, 10:26:44 PM
Twitterverse is exploding with Seth Greenberg as top candidate for SMU...


Really hope this happens
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 10:26:53 PM
Is Chicos on their board now?

Nope, he's still here...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 10:27:19 PM

Does seem to know way more about the mke area then I know about dull ass.

Yep.  Gotta give him credit.... Kept a few posters going.  The biggest clue was the time they woke up from their nap, and started posting again.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2012, 10:27:48 PM
Twitterverse is exploding with Seth Greenberg as top candidate for SMU...

Well this was fun. Nothing to see here.  Hope that worked out well for IWB.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:27:58 PM
Gerald j ford made 1 billion last Monday...that is his plane that was at mke....
Gerald J Ford ... he was worth about $6 billion a few years.  Down to $1 billion now and he need a TARP bail-out to keep that.  

If he made a billion Monday, he doubled his net worth.  Maybe now he can pay back the U.S. taxpayer that is currently paying for that private jet he carts around football coaches that get $10 million/year to win the compass bowl.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: LovinCrowder on March 25, 2012, 10:28:13 PM
The difference between the elite schools and the mid markets, those schools already have those guys on those deals...

You have to have some Milwaukee alumni who can hook these guys up...maybe a Racine Kringle big whig....


And you would know about Racine Kringles.....how?????  
Badger troll.........please crawl back under the rock you slithered out of...........I'm sick of listening to you...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 10:28:16 PM
I want to unban Chicos just to help this thread along more.  It's a slow sports day.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:28:36 PM
Yep.  Gotta give him credit.... Kept a few posters going.  The biggest clue was the time they woke up from their nap, and started posting again.

Need that nap after clearing out the seafood section at Golden Corral.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 10:29:05 PM
I want to unban Chicos just to help this thread along more.  It's a slow sports day.

He's here...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 10:29:25 PM
We could really use his 6 straight replies all using quotes.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 25, 2012, 10:30:55 PM
Over on his board, IWB is saying that the SMU job is not a step down since it is in the same conference and paying the same....

seems like he has an agenda...


Well this was fun. Nothing to see here.  Hope that worked out well for IWB.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:31:56 PM
Over on his board, IWB is saying that the SMU job is not a step down since it is in the same conference and paying the same....

seems like he has an agenda...



Purnell said the same thing about Depaul
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 25, 2012, 10:32:03 PM
This thread = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcmmLvAYqkI
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:32:56 PM
Over on his board, IWB is saying that the SMU job is not a step down since it is in the same conference and paying the same....

seems like he has an agenda...



IWB with an agenda?  Noooooo...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 10:33:11 PM
Let's get back to talking about BE basketball.

Did anyone hear, Digger's an idiot, and ND sucks?  Did I mention ND sucks? ;D

Arrrrrrrrrrrrh!  Go Warriors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 10:33:26 PM
OK, I am NOT also following the Virginia Tech board, but a google search came up with this from their board, posted 1 hour ago...

Well, Twitter has officially exploded with tweets saying that Seth Greenberg is interested in open SMU job.  This comes as a bit of a shock since Greenberg has spent the last week or so #chillin with Doug Gottlieb up in Bristol, Connecticut.  Still, this wouldn’t be a bad move for Seth and I’ll explain why below.

First off, Seth is on the hot seat here at Virginia Tech.  You can spin it however you’d like but after his 9th season at the helm, the Hokies finished 4-12 in conference and 16-17 overall.  It was a rough year for the Hokies and next year probably won’t be the rebound year this fanbase wants.  If there were a time for Seth to bolt, it would be this offseason.  If Tech struggles again next year, then there’s a chance he could be fired.

Also, SMU is headed to the Big East and with Greenberg hailing from New York, the shoe fits in a way.  Of course, Southern Methodist is located in Dallas, Texas so perhaps this is a bit of a stretch.  Still, you’re in a top tier basketball league and at a school that has had a lot of basketball success in the past.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 25, 2012, 10:33:37 PM
Over on his board, IWB is saying that the SMU job is not a step down since it is in the same conference and paying the same....

seems like he has an agenda...



His agenda: CYA

Doesn't want to seem like a fool for suggesting Buzz would really go to SMU.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:34:33 PM
BUZZ WILLIAMS TO VIRGINIA TECH!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 25, 2012, 10:35:05 PM
BUZZ WILLIAMS TO VIRGINIA TECH!

This should be it's own 20+ page thread.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:35:51 PM
His agenda: CYA

Doesn't want to seem like a fool for suggesting Buzz would really go to SMU.


Time for the boys to skip IWB's ProAm if this turns out to be all false.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
All of these are tweets in last hour ....

ChuckOliverGaTech‏@KingCFB_GaTechReply
accsecblog: SMU looking to move towards NCAA bubble team by pursuing Seth Greenberg. Hokies can do better. http://ow.ly/1ijTt6


Nathan Warters‏@nwartersLNA
Wondering how #Hokies fans feel about the possibility of Seth Greenberg being candidate for SMU's head job, as reported by @LaneCBS6.

Brian Ewart‏@Brian_EwartReply
Seth Greenberg as a candidate at SMU is much more reasonable than Buzz Williams. It would be a great hire.

CAAZone.com‏@CAAZoneReply
<rimshot!, splash!> RT @defiantlydutch Greenberg supposedly atop SMU's wish list. Guess SMU wants to sched poorly & reach the NIT annually.

Virginia Tech Buzz‏@hokiesbuzztapReply
Virginia Tech Fan >> Seth Greenberg to SMU? http://buzztap.com/-AQdLSr
Well that's interesting RT @scacchoops: Seth Greenberg to SMU? http://bit.ly/H45IFC @hokieguru
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 25, 2012, 10:36:49 PM
Proof.  Making $2.6 million a year is not being pushed aside.  Having his balls squeezed to recruit some kids that will keep MU off the front pages for off the court issues is not being pushed aside.  If that is the case, then blame the players for getting in trouble repeatedly.  

Don't know what will happen with Buzz. If he goes to SMU, it's obvious to anyone paying attention he's been pushed by the AD and Larry Williams will be forever known as the guy who started and presided over our decline into basketball irrevelance.
You've written alot of passive aggressive anti Buzz stuff in the past while lying about supporting him out of the other side of your mouth. I hope the sh$t you spew in this and other posts in this thread will put to rest the BS that you're a Buzz guy in any way, shape or form.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mviale on March 25, 2012, 10:37:02 PM
Time for the boys to skip IWB's ProAm if this turns out to be all false.
Amen!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 10:37:07 PM
BUZZ WILLIAMS TO VIRGINIA TECH!

I heard Cardinal Stritch is looking for a men's volleyball coach.  Apparently they asked for permission to talk to Buzz Williams.  He and his family have roots in Milwaukee and really love the Glendale area.  Where there's smoke, there's fire.  If they're asking to talk, they probably heard from a 3rd party that there's genuine interest.  Chico...I mean, Chicaloo...I mean, Hoopaloop told me that one.  With his experience in athletic administration at IU, he knows how these things wo...wait, Hoop never worked in any Athletic Departments...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 10:37:51 PM
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas.   ::)
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:38:52 PM
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas.   ::)

This man in a basement is doing his part
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 25, 2012, 10:39:08 PM
All of these are tweets in last hour ....

CAAZone.com‏@CAAZoneReply
<rimshot!, splash!> RT @defiantlydutch Greenberg supposedly atop SMU's wish list. Guess SMU wants to sched poorly & reach the NIT annually.


This was an awesome tweet.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 10:39:14 PM
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas.   ::)

Now that is funny after 10 beers!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:40:07 PM
SMU and basketball success? When did that happen?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 10:40:51 PM
Now that is funny after 10 beers!

And a few Windsors.   ;D
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 25, 2012, 10:41:12 PM
You guys realize that if we do lose Buzz to SMU this thread is going to blow up in our face right?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: marquette09 on March 25, 2012, 10:41:24 PM
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas.   ::)

I'll help.   Tom Crean is a great coach.  He is not a douche

Discuss.  
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mviale on March 25, 2012, 10:41:43 PM
SMU and basketball success? When did that happen?
Surely you forget Jon Koncak!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2012, 10:41:52 PM
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas.   ::)

I know a guy with full database access, how much would this be worth?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 10:42:53 PM
You guys realize that if we do lose Buzz to SMU this thread is going to blow up in our face right?

At least its not my "adorable" thread.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:43:01 PM
Surely you forget Jon Koncak!

...and that 1956 Final Four...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 10:43:15 PM
I'll help.   Tom Crean is a great coach.  He is not a douche

Discuss.  

Vander Blue sucks, and Durley is the anti-Christ.  

Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 25, 2012, 10:43:29 PM
I'll help.   Tom Crean is a great coach.  He is not a douche

Discuss.  

He could riVal JohnEdward's for biggest douche in the universe.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2012, 10:43:48 PM
You guys realize that if we do lose Buzz to SMU this thread is going to blow up in our face right?

Huh?  This thread already blew up. What, are you now concerned about being personally responsible because of this thread. Welcome to the internet.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:44:04 PM
Vander Blue sucks, and Duley is the anti-Christ.  

So Bo Ryan, he seems like a pretty nice guy.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 10:44:25 PM
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas.   ::)


If you win I want a cut.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 10:44:33 PM
This man in a basement is doing his part

Sorry, garage - man cave.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: TJ on March 25, 2012, 10:44:38 PM
You guys realize that if we do lose Buzz to SMU this thread is going to blow up in our face right?
If we do lose Buzz to SMU I won't care about this thread.  I'll be looking through the list of MAAC assistant coaches trying to pick who our next hire will be...
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:45:20 PM
Buzz to SMU and Durley will be his starting center!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:45:31 PM
He could riVal JohnEdward's for biggest douche in the universe.


No one takes that award away from King Asswipe Lance Armstrong.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 10:45:50 PM
I'll help.   Tom Crean is a great coach.  He is not a douche

Discuss.  

Nice Start. I'll help.

This is one of my favorite Spanish O'Donnells music videos. So funny. What do you all think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cy45F4WhSI
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
You guys realize that if we do lose Buzz to SMU this thread is going to blow up in our face right?

I'm a guy with full database access.. I could have no idea what you are talking about :)
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 10:46:05 PM
So what's your favorite flavor of kringle?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: SoCalwarrior on March 25, 2012, 10:48:15 PM
At least its not my "adorable" thread.

It is now. Should have merged this a long time ago. Congrats you started this nonsense. :-\
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: TJ on March 25, 2012, 10:48:32 PM
At least its not my "adorable" thread.
Good job giving the Mods an idea.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:48:39 PM
Wait, this just changed names and added five more pages.

Did a mod just commit a NCAA violation?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2012, 10:48:49 PM
At least its not my "adorable" thread.

SNAP!  That was fixed quick, and I didn't even do it!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 10:49:31 PM
Wait, this just changed names and added five more pages.

Did a mod just commit a NCAA violation?

Cover up commencing.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 10:49:50 PM
Ahhh s***
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
Cover up commencing.

Hear the NCAA is talking death penalty.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 25, 2012, 10:51:49 PM
Only about 150 more posts and this thread will be forever enshrined as the #2 longest thread on MUScoop...  until UTEP fires their basketball coach.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:52:01 PM
Ahhh s***

They show no mercy.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 25, 2012, 10:52:46 PM
Has anyone seen the new Adam Sandler movie "Jack and Jill"?   Is it any good?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 25, 2012, 10:52:54 PM
Only about 150 more posts and this thread will be forever enshrined as the #2 longest thread on MUScoop...  until UTEP fires their basketball coach.

Nothing will ever beat the Beer Thread!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 25, 2012, 10:53:20 PM
This thread grows a new page every 10 minutes.

Ok, Rocky, you take 11-1am, Spiral, 1-3, Ken, 3-5 (West coast guy) .. I'll go 5am on.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LON on March 25, 2012, 10:53:35 PM
Hear the NCAA is talking death penalty.

Does anyone else giggle when SMU fans (or any fans for that matter) abbreviate it as "DP"?

Just me, then?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 25, 2012, 10:53:54 PM
Nothing will ever beat the Beer Thread!!!
Better start posting over there.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 10:54:05 PM
Nothing will ever beat the Beer Thread!!!

Actually I think the Baseball Pissing Match is #1.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 25, 2012, 10:54:14 PM
Only 8 more of pages in the next 65 minutes and I win in Vegas.   ::)

Famous SMU Alumni...Porn Star Edition

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eIl38AbM9rE/TVI489LK3GI/AAAAAAAAAB4/j50JSTOZrAc/s1600/Dodgeball+FRAN.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:54:55 PM
This thread grows a new page every 10 minutes.

Ok, Rocky, you take 11-1am, Spiral, 1-3, Ken, 3-5 (West coast guy) .. I'll go 5am on.

Gonna need new mods to keep mopping this place up. ZFB is handy with the jizzbucket.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
Gonna need new mods to keep mopping this place up. ZFB is handy with the jizzbucket.


The server must be smoking.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SoCalwarrior on March 25, 2012, 10:56:21 PM
This thread grows a new page every 10 minutes.

Ok, Rocky, you take 11-1am, Spiral, 1-3, Ken, 3-5 (West coast guy) .. I'll go 5am on.

It will just be me and Hoopaloop ;)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 10:56:32 PM
Does anyone else giggle when SMU fans (or any fans for that matter) abbreviate it as "DP"?

Just me, then?

If by giggle you mean head over to wanktube, you are correct
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 25, 2012, 10:56:55 PM
BUZZ TO TEL AVIV!!

My rabbai knows a guy at the bagel shop...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 10:59:24 PM
BUZZ TO TEL AVIV!!

My rabbai knows a guy at the bagel shop...


Rabbai?  Are you impersonating a Jew?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 25, 2012, 11:00:11 PM
BUZZ TO TEL AVIV!!

My rabbai knows a guy at the bagel shop...

This makes sense because his wife's cousin's brother in law is from TEL AVIV so he would probably be more comfortable there.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 11:01:45 PM
This makes sense because his wife's cousin's brother in law is from TEL AVIV so he would probably be more comfortable there.

Tel Aviv is a recruiting hot bed.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pakuni on March 25, 2012, 11:03:58 PM
Tel Aviv is a recruiting hot bed.

Plus, the drinking age is 18. One less thing to worry about.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 11:04:05 PM
Actually I think the Baseball Pissing Match is #1.

The Cubs suck a$$.  Braun never cheated.  I actually contaminated his sample.

If by giggle you mean head over to wanktube, you are correct


Wanktube?  Come on, man, you're better than that, aren't you?!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on March 25, 2012, 11:06:01 PM
I'd ask that the baseball pissing match be reopened so i may formally invite Cubs and Brewers fans to suck it. Detroit Tigers!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LON on March 25, 2012, 11:06:22 PM
If by giggle you mean head over to wanktube, you are correct


/closes second browser tab
//inconspicuously zips up pants

What were you saying?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 11:06:58 PM

Wanktube?  Come on, man, you're better than that, aren't you?!

Hell no.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 11:07:03 PM
Hopefully this can heat up that 1-1 all-time record we have with them in football.


http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/smu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/m-footbl-factbook-11-complete.pdf
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 11:07:13 PM
Bigdaddy84, we've not heard from you in a while   Got any inside scoop for us?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 11:07:32 PM
I'd ask that the baseball pissing match be reopened so i may formally invite Cubs and Brewers fans to suck it. Detroit Tigers!

http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=972&bih=683&tbm=isch&tbnid=bqr_01RS_7Y7nM:&imgrefurl=http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/03/25/prince-fielders-arms-are-as-big-as-laron-landrys-arms/&docid=Ox0p9aBZakDZ8M&itg=1&imgurl=http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/prince-fielder-arm.jpg&w=398&h=396&ei=QOtvT8CvG-S00AGct8iABw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=267&sig=108782170067472446069&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw=161&start=35&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:35&tx=116&ty=116

It was actually Fielder's sample that was mislabeled as Braun's that was found positive.  But it didn't matter because the chain of custody was not kept so it is null and void anyway.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 11:08:58 PM
Rocky and I are west coast already right now.. Topper has east, central and mountain to himself.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 11:09:03 PM
It will just be me and Hoopaloop chicosbailbonds ;)

Fixed...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 25, 2012, 11:10:45 PM
Baseball is an absolute brutal sport to watch. I would rather watch hardcore gay porn. No homo.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 25, 2012, 11:12:48 PM
Ding, ding, ding.....

 
night 'all.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 11:12:55 PM
Baseball is an absolute brutal sport to watch. I would rather watch hardcore gay porn. No homo.

Uhhh...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2012, 11:14:10 PM
The server must be smoking.

Less than 2 connections/sec = weak

Connections per second:    1.9878
Kilobytes received per second:    0.7052
Kilobytes sent per second:    1.4623
Queries per second:    41.2355
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 11:14:25 PM
Uhhh...

Yeahh...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 25, 2012, 11:16:03 PM
This thread has the feeling of a telethon. Where can I order a totebag?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 11:16:24 PM
Less than 2 connections/sec = weak

Connections per second:    1.9878
Kilobytes received per second:    0.7052
Kilobytes sent per second:    1.4623
Queries per second:    41.2355

Time to upgrade.. let's try in a couple weeks maybe?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 11:16:42 PM
This thread has the feeling of a telethon. Where can I order a totebag?


Is Jerry Lewis a mod?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 11:21:26 PM
Regarding these SMU and Seth Greenberg rumors... Former VT (& GT) athletic director Dave Braine is leading SMU's search
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 11:22:19 PM
Just gonna throw this out there. Bruce Pearl?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 11:22:47 PM
Regarding these SMU and Seth Greenberg rumors... Former VT (& GT) athletic director Dave Braine is leading SMU's search

WTH... are you oblivious to all the attempts to go off topic here?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 25, 2012, 11:23:20 PM
Just gonna throw this out there. Bruce Pearl?

He's still under a show cause, so no.
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: warthog-driver on March 25, 2012, 11:24:16 PM
Time for the boys to skip IWB's ProAm if this turns out to be all false.

Roger skip the IWB ProAm. He is a self-serving, self-important turd.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 11:26:16 PM
WTH... are you oblivious to all the attempts to go off topic here?


I've been doing my part to steer this elsewhere.  I thought I could sneak it in without anyone noticing.
So I'm still waiting to hear everyone's favorite flavor of kringle.  I like cherry.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2012, 11:28:44 PM
So I'm still waiting to hear everyone's favorite flavor of kringle.  I like cherry.

Pecan. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 11:30:31 PM
Buzz to West Virginia.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 25, 2012, 11:31:11 PM
I've never had a Kringle.  :-[

#1stWorldProblems
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Les Nessman on March 25, 2012, 11:31:22 PM
Just looked over the titles of all the other threads. They all just seem so innocent after reading through this firestorm.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 11:31:40 PM
Fixed...

Incorrect, but the humor never gets old.   :D


You've written alot of passive aggressive anti Buzz stuff in the past while lying about supporting him out of the other side of your mouth. I hope the sh$t you spew in this and other posts in this thread will put to rest the BS that you're a Buzz guy in any way, shape or form.

I haven't lied about my support at all for Buzz.  Nor have I written anything of a passive aggressive nature.  I know who I support and you're not going to be the one to dictate that to me or anyone else.  I'll speak for me, you can speak for yourself.

I mean, Hoopaloop told me that one.  With his experience in athletic administration at IU, he knows how these things wo...wait, Hoop never worked in any Athletic Departments...

 ::)  If you wish to talk about flight dynamics like lift coefficient, drag coefficient, axial force coefficient, and such, then we can have an entire thread on that topic of flight and the engineering surrounding that.  If you wish to continue to make up stuff or pretend to be funny, leave me out of it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 25, 2012, 11:32:23 PM
Has The Bronzed Beast of Bloomington saved his ass? Can he continue last season's "success?"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 11:33:42 PM
Kringles are so f'ing good.  Pecan is amazing, but I'm a fan of raspberry.

I've never had a Kringle.  :-[

#1stWorldProblems

What the hell is wrong with you?!
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 11:34:15 PM
Vander Blue sucks, and Durley is the anti-Christ.  



If Buzz goes to SMU, will Durley follow him and become a Mustang?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Aughnanure on March 25, 2012, 11:35:55 PM
If Buzz goes to SMU, will Durley follow him and become a Mustang?

If Buzz goes to SMU, does Jimmy Butler wear Mustangs shorts?
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2012, 11:37:19 PM
We could really use his 6 straight replies all using quotes.

He never fails to disappoint!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 11:37:58 PM
Incorrect, but the humor never gets old.   :D

No, it doesn't.

::)  If you wish to talk about flight dynamics like lift coefficient, drag coefficient, axial force coefficient, and such, then we can have an entire thread on that topic of flight and the engineering surrounding that.

I'd rather not discuss enginerding.  I'd be lost.  It wouldn't be a lot of "fun."  By the way, Chicos used the  ::) all the time.  Did he teach you that one?   ::)  This also used to be the time where Chicos would show up and post hundreds of times a night.  Another coincidence?  ::)

If you wish to continue to make up stuff or pretend to be funny, leave me out of it.

Don't ruin my fun, Chicos!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 25, 2012, 11:38:27 PM
If you wish to talk about flight dynamics like lift coefficient, drag coefficient, axial force coefficient, and such, then we can have an entire thread on that topic of flight and the engineering surrounding that.  If you wish to continue to make up stuff or pretend to be funny, leave me out of it.

Please, Chicos, you don't want to go there. I have 4,000+ hours in tactical combat aircraft (F-16 CJ's and Vipers & Warthogs.) I am guessing you might, if anything, have a couple hundred in 172's. I would dare say I have more time on the relief tube over Tora Bora than you have total time. And let's not even get into EP's, night hours, multi-engine time, and combat hops. Be a better man and leave aviation to the ones who have been there. Anything else will only serve to diminish you in the eyes of this board.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2012, 11:40:58 PM
By the way, these multiple ::) look pretty cool all  ::) ing at one time.  Maybe I should use them more often!  ::)  I guess we can all learn from chico...chicoloo...hoopaloop!   ::)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 11:42:21 PM
Please, Warthog, you don't want to go there. I have 4,000+ hours in tactical web board moderation (banning and editing & deleting.) I am guessing you might, if anything, have a couple hundred in ignores. I would dare say I have more time on the development site than you have total time. And let's not even get into coding, night hours, multi-core time, and ethernet hops. Be a better man and leave message boards to the ones who have been there. Anything else will only serve to diminish you in the eyes of this board.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 11:42:57 PM
Please, Warthog, you don't want to go there. I have 4,000+ hours in tactical web board moderation (banning and editing & deleting.) I am guessing you might, if anything, have a couple hundred in ignores. I would dare say I have more time on the development site than you have total time. And let's not even get into coding, night hours, multi-core time, and ethernet hops. Be a better man and leave message boards to the ones who have been there. Anything else will only serve to diminish you in the eyes of this board.  

Only humor intended Warhog ;)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 25, 2012, 11:43:04 PM
"and that goes for the rest of y'all. Quit pretending to be something you're not. Just be who you are. That's what's really cool"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 25, 2012, 11:50:44 PM
"and that goes for the rest of y'all. Quit pretending to be something you're not. Just be who you are. That's what's really cool"

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 25, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
"and that goes for the rest of y'all. Quit pretending to be something you're not. Just be who you are. That's what's really cool"

wow.. google already returns your post here as the only two results for that.. quote?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 25, 2012, 11:53:46 PM
Please, Chicos, you don't want to go there. I have 4,000+ hours in tactical combat aircraft (F-16 CJ's and Vipers & Warthogs.) I am guessing you might, if anything, have a couple hundred in 172's. I would dare say I have more time on the relief tube over Tora Bora than you have total time. And let's not even get into EP's, night hours, multi-engine time, and combat hops. Be a better man and leave aviation to the ones who have been there. Anything else will only serve to diminish you in the eyes of this board.  

 ::)  Some of us are in the business of designing your planes Warthog. Though my work has been in  commercial aviation and not for any gpvt work.   I don't even have a pilot's license and very few of my colleagues do either.  We design them, we don't pilot them.  We let you CSAs (Control Stick Actuators) fly them and let the plumbers crash them.  Figuratively speaking of course.  When they go Tango Uniform then I'm called in to figure out why.  

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 25, 2012, 11:54:50 PM
Well the quote might not be verbatim.  It is from the movie Starsky and Hutch.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 25, 2012, 11:55:50 PM
 ;) (with a nod to The Bail Bondsman)

Please, Spiral, you don't want to go there. I have 2,800+ hours combat time in Praying Mantis, Just Cause, Desert Storm, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Operation Enduring Freedom. I have been jumped by MiGs & Sukois over the Gulf of Sidra, dodged Triple A and Sams over Baghdad, suffered a massive hydraulic failure at night over RC - Southwest, and seen comrades go down over Tora Bora. I know this is hard to believe but I would dare say that flying a tactical combat aircraft as a barrel chested freedom fighter likely has a tad higher degree of sphincter pucker factor than managing a web site. But then I have never managed a web site so I wouldn't know. I don't want to diminish myself in the eyes of this board.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hamostradamus on March 25, 2012, 11:56:17 PM
::)  Some of us are in the business of designing your planes Warthog. Though my work has been in  commercial aviation and not for any gpvt work.   I don't even have a pilot's license and very few of my colleagues do either.  We design them, we don't pilot them.  We let you CSAs (Control Stick Actuators) fly them and let the plumbers crash them.  Figuratively speaking of course.  When they go Tango Uniform then I'm called in to figure out why.  

Jeebus, why don't you two move to Massachusetts and make it legal already?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 26, 2012, 12:01:19 AM
;) (with a nod to The Bail Bondsman)

Please, Spiral, you don't want to go there. I have 2,800+ hours combat time in Praying Mantis, Just Cause, Desert Storm, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Operation Enduring Freedom. I have been jumped by MiGs & Sukois over the Gulf of Sidra, dodged Triple A and Sams over Baghdad, suffered a massive hydraulic failure at night over RC - Southwest, and seen comrades go down over Tora Bora. I know this is hard to believe but I would dare say that flying a tactical combat aircraft as a barrel chested freedom fighter likely has a tad higher degree of sphincter pucker factor than managing a web site. But then I have never managed a web site so I wouldn't know. I don't want to diminish myself in the eyes of this board.

LOL!

A fair improvement over haikus!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 12:01:27 AM
Well the quote might not be verbatim.  It is from the movie Starsky and Hutch.

That goes for all y'all.

  
Don't pretend to be
something you're not.

  
Just be who you are.

  
That's what's really cool.

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/starsky-and-hutch-script-transcript.html
Title: Re: CBS.com SMU pursuing Buzz
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 26, 2012, 12:03:44 AM
If Buzz goes to SMU, will Durley follow him and become a Mustang?

I've owned four Mustangs: a 1967 convertible; 1984 hatchback; 1968 fastback; 1990 convertible.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 26, 2012, 12:04:15 AM
Thank you. Your googling skills are far superior to mine.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 26, 2012, 12:06:46 AM
 ::)  Some of us are in the business of designing your message boards Hoopaloop. Though my work has been in  software development and not for any sports work.   I don't even have a MSCE license and very few of my colleagues do either.  We design them, we don't make them.  We let you MPUs (Multi Personality Users) post to them and let the trolls crash them.  Figuratively speaking of course.  When they go Foxtrot Uniform'd then I'm called in to figure out why.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 12:09:47 AM
::)  Some of us are in the business of designing your planes Warthog. Though my work has been in  commercial aviation and not for any gpvt work.   I don't even have a pilot's license and very few of my colleagues do either.  We design them, we don't pilot them.  We let you CSAs (Control Stick Actuators) fly them and let the plumbers crash them.  Figuratively speaking of course.  When they go Tango Uniform then I'm called in to figure out why.  

Chicos, USAF sent to University of Michigan to get a MS in Aero Engineering. I understand the theory; it's bullcrap compared to strapping a jet on your ass and going into harm's way. Not much pucker factor in sitting for a diffy q exam when compared to putting your nuts on the line...Course, when we would see the line of tracers come arcing up at us our first thought was always, yea baby! Targets! Suffice it to say we enabled more than a few hajis to meet Allah...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 26, 2012, 12:21:01 AM
My wife bought me this "discover flying" gift certificate on Groupon for Fathers Day last year.  Evidently it's an introductory lesson and some nonsense where they let you fly the plane (probably for 15 seconds).  I can't believe any CFI with half a brain would participate in something like this.  I'd rather ride with John Travolta somewhere on autopilot than get into a plane with a pilot who lets everyone hold his stick.  Probably just going to let the thing expire.  Dumbest Groupon ever.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 12:24:43 AM
My wife bought me this "discover flying" gift certificate on Groupon for Fathers Day last year.  Evidently it's an introductory lesson and some nonsense where they let you fly the plane (probably for 15 seconds).  I can't believe any CFI with half a brain would participate in something like this.  I'd rather ride with John Travolta somewhere on autopilot than get into a plane with a pilot who lets everyone hold his stick.  Probably just going to let the thing expire.  Dumbest Groupon ever.

That sounds like great fun!  You should definitely do it.  I wish my kids would get me something like this.  Beats the crap they usually give me.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 12:26:13 AM
My wife bought me this "discover flying" gift certificate on Groupon for Fathers Day last year.  Evidently it's an introductory lesson and some nonsense where they let you fly the plane (probably for 15 seconds).  I can't believe any CFI with half a brain would participate in something like this.  I'd rather ride with John Travolta somewhere on autopilot than get into a plane with a pilot who lets everyone hold his stick.  Probably just going to let the thing expire.  Dumbest Groupon ever.

Every T-Bird (Trainer) is dual controlled. Trust me, the guy in the back has command override.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 12:28:58 AM
Illinois coaching search thread now has 792,198 views, 9192 replies, and 368 pages.  Let's get with it, people.  Sleep is overrated.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 12:36:08 AM
cheese fries at snuffers
you gotta be craptin me
red neck haute cuisine


No sh1t.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUfan12 on March 26, 2012, 12:37:18 AM
Just fixed my kitchen faucet.

So I got that going for me, which is nice.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 12:38:58 AM
No sh1t.

would anyone move
for snuffers red neck cheese fries
most questionable
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warriorfred on March 26, 2012, 01:34:17 AM
The longest thread ever and I was part of it, neat.  GO WARRIORS.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 01:38:14 AM
The longest thread ever and I was part of it, neat.  GO WARRIORS.

the longest journey
begins with uncertain steps
fear gives no guidance
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: bobnoxious on March 26, 2012, 02:13:28 AM
So when I went to work today this thread was 3 pages long, I worked a 10 hour shift and then when out for a few beers and I come home and its 32 pages long.  Whats more amazing is that I read pages 3-12 while I was on lunch at 6.  My 2 cents and if I cover stuff already covered sorry I'm not going to read the other 20 pages, Buzz will speak highly of every school he is asked about just like he did last year with arkansas(walmart money) and others and I honestly think he is setting Benford up for this job.  If Chico's alias has truly been outed someone let me know cause I missed and would be sad
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 06:48:10 AM
Article in SMU student paper last week says they are going for "Tony Bedford".

Good luck with that.

http://www.smudailycampus.com/sports/after-six-up-and-down-seasons-doherty-fired-1.2821113#.T3BW1dR5mSM
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU B2002 on March 26, 2012, 06:53:36 AM
Is a Kringle similar to a Potica?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2012, 07:06:13 AM
So when I went to work today this thread was 3 pages long, I worked a 10 hour shift and then when out for a few beers and I come home and its 32 pages long.  Whats more amazing is that I read pages 3-12 while I was on lunch at 6.  My 2 cents and if I cover stuff already covered sorry I'm not going to read the other 20 pages, Buzz will speak highly of every school he is asked about just like he did last year with arkansas(walmart money) and others and I honestly think he is setting Benford up for this job.  If Chico's alias has truly been outed someone let me know cause I missed and would be sad

This is how I feel, and what I am truly hoping for.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Smu18 on March 26, 2012, 07:08:36 AM
Benford isn't on list...greenberg is #4....

doesnt matter because buzz has already accepted....

we have more than wal mart....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 07:11:29 AM
Benford isn't on list...greenberg is #4....

doesnt matter because buzz has already accepted....

we have more than wal mart....

How are things in Madison?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Smu18 on March 26, 2012, 07:14:36 AM
never been, closest place I have ever been is the Dells...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2012, 07:15:41 AM
never been, closest place I have ever been is the Dells...

What happened to SMU17?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 26, 2012, 07:16:46 AM
never been, closest place I have ever been is the Dells...

I'd believe he's never been to Madison. My assumption is that he went to UW-Obscurity for a couple semesters before dropping out.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Smu18 on March 26, 2012, 07:17:14 AM
Never heard of him...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Smu18 on March 26, 2012, 07:18:21 AM
UW Marquette...below my safety schools...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on March 26, 2012, 07:30:39 AM
(http://forum.gon.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=615781&stc=1&d=1313165072)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 26, 2012, 08:18:51 AM
Must feed troll to keep thread alive....

First, SMU18 is a super high roller as evidenced by his profile here:
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-player-stats/Smu18

Did I mention he was highly connected?
http://quizilla.teennick.com/user/smu18/friends/

Also, he is into Anime and struggles to understand the opposite sex.
http://quizilla.teennick.com/user/smu18/profile/

Also likes lego knockoff games
http://www.roblox.com/User.aspx?ID=24025887
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: squirrel on March 26, 2012, 08:26:47 AM
Talked with a high ranking member of the Board of Trustees, she loves Buzz and doesn't want/expect him to leave.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2012, 08:32:59 AM
I talked to my kids this morning, told them Buzz might leave. According to my two year old twins, Woody or Mr. Potatohead, or the Slinky Dog would be capable replacements, and could take Marquette to infinity and beyond. They're pretty reliable sources too.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 26, 2012, 08:35:24 AM
I talked to my kids this morning, told them Buzz might leave. According to my two year old twins, Woody or Mr. Potatohead, or the Slinky Dog would be capable replacements, and could take Marquette to infinity and beyond. They're pretty reliable sources too.

Woody would definitely be at the top of MU's wish list. He has that "it" factor to go along with great leadership experience.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU B2002 on March 26, 2012, 08:39:01 AM
I talked to my kids this morning, told them Buzz might leave. According to my two year old twins, Woody or Mr. Potatohead, or the Slinky Dog would be capable replacements, and could take Marquette to infinity and beyond. They're pretty reliable sources too.


Some of the stuff I heard about Slinky Dog makes me squirm. Alleged fight with a monkey at Sunnyside Daycare.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: reinko on March 26, 2012, 08:40:15 AM
I talked to my kids this morning, told them Buzz might leave. According to my two year old twins, Woody or Mr. Potatohead, or the Slinky Dog would be capable replacements, and could take Marquette to infinity and beyond. They're pretty reliable sources too.

How did he not make this list???

(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID4043/images/special-agent-oso.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on March 26, 2012, 08:42:27 AM
Is this a record thread?
I'm not sure, if it is, I don't want to be left out.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 26, 2012, 08:42:55 AM
If we skewing established but caretaker next coach, I hear Riki Tiki Tavi is available and on the short list

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 26, 2012, 08:46:53 AM
How did he not make this list???

(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID4043/images/special-agent-oso.jpg)

Good point. It's no secret that Oso doesn't have a great relationship with Mr. Dos.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: esotericmindguy on March 26, 2012, 08:51:03 AM
the longest journey
begins with uncertain steps
fear gives no guidance

Can you stop with the the dumb poetry?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 26, 2012, 08:53:34 AM
I'm only posting to contribute to the longest thread in scoop history.  It would be irresponsible not to post.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2012, 08:56:54 AM
Good point. It's no secret that Oso doesn't have a great relationship with Mr. Dos.



Wolfie has more leadership skills than Oso, according to my kids.

By the way, Mr. Dos=Dick Strong.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: reinko on March 26, 2012, 09:00:34 AM
Wolfie has more leadership skills than Oso, according to my kids.

By the way, Mr. Dos=Dick Strong.

Bullcrap.  Oso could make MU a Final 4 team in 3 special steps.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: copious1218 on March 26, 2012, 09:00:59 AM
I'm only posting to contribute to the longest thread in scoop history.  It would be irresponsible not to post.

+1
I don't want to be irresponsible.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 26, 2012, 09:03:23 AM
I'm only posting to contribute to the longest thread in scoop history.  It would be irresponsible not to post.

I gotta believe there have been longer threads than this, hell Marquette 84 had longer posts than this entire thread.

BTW, woody is too old fashioned to relate to players, he would lose them in the first year.

 Need someone hip but still strong like Sully from Monsters Inc., he could bring in Mike as an assistant to keep his eye on the players behaviour
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: leever on March 26, 2012, 09:06:39 AM
I don't think this is off topic - -

I need to refinish a table that my wife picked up.  Not sure if it's walnut or mahogany.  Maybe Hoopaloop can help?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2012, 09:07:00 AM
Bullcrap.  Oso could make MU a Final 4 team in 3 special steps.

Nicely played sir, very nicely played! I'm still laughing at this, well done!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: RawdogDX on March 26, 2012, 09:12:21 AM
Only about 150 more posts and this thread will be forever enshrined as the #2 longest thread on MUScoop...  until UTEP fires their basketball coach.

literal lol
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 09:13:11 AM
I gotta believe there have been longer threads than this, hell Marquette 84 had longer posts than this entire thread.

BTW, woody is too old fashioned to relate to players, he would lose them in the first year.

 Need someone hip but still strong like Sully from Monsters Inc., he could bring in Mike as an assistant to keep his eye on the players behaviour
Closing fast on #2 longest thread.  If it's going to be #1, everyone has to post twice more for every post they've made in this thread.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 09:16:43 AM
I haven't seen your table, but I'm thinking walnut.
I think Woody would be better than Mr. Potato Head, but together they would be awesome!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dinger on March 26, 2012, 09:17:58 AM
I don't post often here, but I should comment on this.

 :o
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 26, 2012, 09:19:14 AM
Closing fast on #2 longest thread.  If it's going to be #1, everyone has to post twice more for every post they've made in this thread.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats)

I will not pander to this mob mentality to make this thread the longest ever and simply post about nothing.....the message board is not a place for me to post things about randomly coincidentally connected bits of unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo and then draw significant conclusions from those as stated random pieces of "information" let alone to post about nothing and have people carry on about it.  That is simply irresponsible use of a free internet forum and I won't have it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SERocks on March 26, 2012, 09:26:21 AM
I will not pander to this mob mentality to make this thread the longest ever and simply post about nothing.....the message board is not a place for me to post things about randomly coincidentally connected bits of unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo and then draw significant conclusions from those as stated random pieces of "information" let alone to post about nothing and have people carry on about it.  That is simply irresponsible use of a free internet forum and I won't have it.

+1
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 26, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
I haven't seen your table, but I'm thinking walnut.
I think Woody would be better than Mr. Potato Head, but together they would be awesome!


Mr. Woodhead!?!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 09:34:18 AM
I don't post often here, but I should comment on this.

 :o

Nice, Dirty.

Andrew W K rocks!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: NickelDimer on March 26, 2012, 09:35:19 AM
Must feed troll to keep thread alive....

First, SMU18 is a super high roller as evidenced by his profile here:
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-player-stats/Smu18

Did I mention he was highly connected?
http://quizilla.teennick.com/user/smu18/friends/

Also, he is into Anime and struggles to understand the opposite sex.
http://quizilla.teennick.com/user/smu18/profile/

Also likes lego knockoff games
http://www.roblox.com/User.aspx?ID=24025887

AKA...the portfolio of one we should all aspire to be
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 09:39:32 AM
I'm only posting to contribute to the longest thread in scoop history.  It would be irresponsible not to post.

Anyone poster not part of this thread should have their handle highlighted in red (scarlet letter) to signify that they are bad bad people.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2012, 09:40:17 AM
Well I guess I better make my first post in the thread.  

I read up to IWB's tweet and Rocky saying it was going to cause a meltdown.  Based on the 24 pages after Rocky's post, I'd say he was right.

Buzz will be our head coach next season.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 09:44:00 AM
Well I guess I better make my first post in the thread.  

I read up to IWB's tweet and Rocky saying it was going to cause a meltdown.  Based on the 24 pages after Rocky's post, I'd say he was right.

Buzz will be our head coach next season.
Your sensible comments that don't fly off the deep end are not welcome here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 26, 2012, 09:44:56 AM
Ok so basically we have SMU saying that its a done deal and the Marquette alums
saying theres no way he leaves. So with that said I'll give it a 50/50 chance he goes.
We'll see.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2012, 09:45:44 AM
If it's a done deal like SMU 17&18 say, why is SMU still looking?

http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2012/march/26/report-smu-interested-seth-greenberg (http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2012/march/26/report-smu-interested-seth-greenberg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: chapman on March 26, 2012, 09:50:15 AM
If it's a done deal like SMU 17&18 say, why is SMU still looking?

http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2012/march/26/report-smu-interested-seth-greenberg (http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2012/march/26/report-smu-interested-seth-greenberg)

They have no much money they're going to hire two head coaches.  Or maybe just field two teams.  Or since they only care about football, one is going to be the basketball coach for the football team.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Smu18 on March 26, 2012, 09:50:19 AM
Smokescreen....Greenberg isnt even #2...but he is #3
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 09:52:02 AM
Smokescreen....Greenberg isnt even #2...but he is #3

In fairness, you're a #2.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 09:53:14 AM
Smokescreen....Greenberg isnt even #2...but he is #3
Phil Jackson is #2.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Smu18 on March 26, 2012, 09:53:57 AM
In fairness, you're a #2.

No clue again, but Im sure its funny
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 26, 2012, 09:57:54 AM
SMU18 - when it does not happen, please make sure to come back here and explain why - would love to hear your marvelous insights...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU B2002 on March 26, 2012, 10:00:08 AM
No clue again


Most accurate thing you have said all day.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 10:01:26 AM
SMU18 - when it does not happen, please make sure to come back here and explain why - would love to hear your marvelous insights...

They cooled on Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Smu18 on March 26, 2012, 10:02:36 AM
Only way you keep him, is a full apology from your AD, a guarantee of a hands off approach and mach the 2.75 a year he will get in salary from SMU...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 26, 2012, 10:05:55 AM
Only way you keep him, is a full apology from your AD, a guarantee of a hands off approach and mach the 2.75 a year he will get in salary from SMU...

Full apology for what exactly?

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
Smokescreen....Greenberg isnt even #2...but he is #3

If it's a done deal, why do you need a smokescreen?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU B2002 on March 26, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
mach the 2.75 a year he will get in salary from SMU...


 An extra $150K, that's the big add in salary the almighty folks at SMU are ponying (get it) up?  That's not even a 6% bump.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 26, 2012, 10:08:20 AM
Full apology for what exactly?



Having the same last name and no hair
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 10:10:56 AM
I have not had time to read through all the pages, so not sure if I posted in this historic thread.  Just needed to do so before it get's locked!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 26, 2012, 10:11:21 AM

 An extra $150K, that's the big add in salary the almighty folks at SMU are ponying (get it) up?  That's not even a 6% bump.

It can't be the money that is moving. If he leaves it's all current relationships and situations at MU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Smu18 on March 26, 2012, 10:13:50 AM
0 state income tax....but your right the money is just a small piece...

Talk to buzz... no reason he would be talking to us if he wasn't happy or didnt think it was a better opportunity to do what he wants to do...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Norm on March 26, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
If Buzz actually goes to SMU, what is the closest parallel to that type of move? Bill Freider leaving Michigan to take the Arizona State job (ASU was pretty bad then if I remember correctly)? I know SMU will be joining the Big East soon, but when is the last time a coach voluntarily left a school in a power conference (BE, B12, B1G, ACC, PAC12, SEC) to take a position at a mid major school (WAC, Horizon, MAC, CUSA, etc..)?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity'77 on March 26, 2012, 10:18:00 AM
I'm in.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 26, 2012, 10:18:26 AM
3 qwestions

1. SMU where are u getting ur info??

2.  Why would Buzz go to a vertable basketball wasteland??  When he has publicaaly stated he is humbled with the oportunity to coach at a national power?

3. Honestly, How many years do u think it will be until SMU wins 5 games in the BE??


For $150k which prolly does not cover his perks at MU he would relugate himself to a disaster of a program??  That isnt worth being sent to a basketball coaches version of hell
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Smu18 on March 26, 2012, 10:20:59 AM
Talk to buzz... he verbally agreed to terms already...

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 26, 2012, 10:22:09 AM
If Buzz actually goes to SMU, what is the closest parallel to that type of move? Bill Freider leaving Michigan to take the Arizona State job (ASU was pretty bad then if I remember correctly)? I know SMU will be joining the Big East soon, but when is the last time a coach voluntarily left a school in a power conference (BE, B12, B1G, ACC, PAC12, SEC) to take a position at a mid major school (WAC, Horizon, MAC, CUSA, etc..)?

Ed DeChellis left Penn State for Navy.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 10:24:14 AM
Oliver Purnell left Clemson for DePaul -  kinda close.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 26, 2012, 10:26:14 AM
Talk to buzz... he verbally agreed to terms already...



Whatever dude.  As though you are on the smu board. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 10:26:21 AM
SMU18 - when it does not happen, please make sure to come back here and explain why - would love to hear your marvelous insights...

He won't come back because he'll be too busy laughing his ass off at this.  You do know that, right?  He's just riling these people up for his own amusement.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Norm on March 26, 2012, 10:28:07 AM
Oliver Purnell left Clemson for DePaul -  kinda close.
I thought Purnell was fired by Clemson then took the DePaul job. No?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 26, 2012, 10:28:17 AM
Yes, but I would like to have him back to hear his bullcrap...


He won't come back because he'll be too busy laughing his ass off at this.  You do know that, right?  He's just riling these people up for his own amusement.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LON on March 26, 2012, 10:28:38 AM
He won't come back because he'll be too busy laughing his ass off at this.  You do know that, right?  He's just riling these people up for his own amusement.

I'm laughing my ass off too.  He's trolling so damn hard, and some of the Scoopers are lapping that sh*t up.

Obvious troll is obvious.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 26, 2012, 10:28:56 AM
Greg Gard to SMU!
(with as much insight as provided by our SMU18 troll)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 10:30:11 AM
I thought Purnell was fired by Clemson then took the DePaul job. No?
He wasn't fired, but he could have been.  I don't think that many at Clemson were upset that he left.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 10:31:20 AM
I thought Purnell was fired by Clemson then took the DePaul job. No?

Nope, he left.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=5059657
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Norm on March 26, 2012, 10:32:45 AM
Nope, he left.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=5059657
Ah, I stand corrected. So that is probably the closest version of going from MU to SMU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 10:34:06 AM
Ah, I stand corrected. So that is probably the closest version of going from MU to SMU.

Seems like it. How do DePaul and SMU compare basketball-wise. I assume DePaul has a much better history there.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 26, 2012, 10:35:24 AM
Ah, I stand corrected. So that is probably the closest version of going from MU to SMU.

DePaul's basketball program is still head and shoulders above SMU's
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 10:37:29 AM
I'm laughing my ass off too.  He's trolling so damn hard, and some of the Scoopers are lapping that sh*t up.

Obvious troll is obvious.
It's like a trainwreck.  I want to look away but I keep coming back to see gullible MU fans falling for it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 26, 2012, 10:39:25 AM
DePaul's basketball program is still head and shoulders above SMU's

That is why SMU spent millions to build a practice facilty that is top notch, will spend $50m to udpate our great arena, and will spend to get a good coach.  Investing for the future is how things change.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 26, 2012, 10:40:56 AM
Seems like it. How do DePaul and SMU compare basketball-wise. I assume DePaul has a much better history there.
I think I am the last registered user to get on this clusterf**k of a thread.

The real question is not how to DePaul and SMU compare.  The real question is how do Clemson and Marquette compare?  Leaving Clemson is not the same thing as leaving Marquette.  It doesn't really matter what the destination is.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2012, 10:42:43 AM
I was talking to someone in the know, and have faith that this is 100% true, take it FWIW.

Bill Gates is relinquishing all his equity in Microsoft and going to work at the Radio Shack in 'Tosa. This is 100% confirmed, terms already agreed upon (15 minute smoke break every hour, hour lunch, 10% off employee discount). Radio Shack spent hundreds to upgrade the place (new carpet, touchtone telephone), it's really top notch and looking forward to competing with Best Buy starting in 2013. Expect a presser late this afternoon. Bedford will be joining him as asst mgr.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: leever on March 26, 2012, 10:43:39 AM
Wait!  This is about Buzz Williams leaving to coach at SMU?

I thought it was about SMU18 getting a buzz.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 26, 2012, 10:43:51 AM
That is why SMU spent millions to build a practice facilty that is top notch, will spend $50m to udpate our great arena, and will spend to get a good coach.  Investing for the future is how things change.

I'm not disagreeing with that, but the comment was made in repsonse to Purnell leaving Clemson for DePaul.  And when you are selling a coach on what the future may hold, I think it's a testament to where your program stands.  Much like Nebraska.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LON on March 26, 2012, 10:44:18 AM
I was talking to someone in the know, and have faith that this is 100% true, take it FWIW.

Bill Gates is relinquishing all his equity in Microsoft and going to work at the Radio Shack in 'Tosa. This is 100% confirmed, terms already agreed upon (15 minute smoke break every hour, hour lunch, 10% off employee discount). Radio Shack spent hundreds to upgrade the place (new carpet, touchtone telephone), it's really top notch and looking forward to competing with Best Buy starting in 2013. Expect a presser late this afternoon. Bedford will be joining him as asst mgr.

Magic Jack.  It was the dealbreaker.

Sources told me.  I'm not telling my sources though.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 10:46:25 AM
I think I am the last registered user to get on this clusterf**k of a thread.

The real question is not how to DePaul and SMU compare.  The real question is how do Clemson and Marquette compare?  Leaving Clemson is not the same thing as leaving Marquette.  It doesn't really matter what the destination is.

No I know. Just wasn't sure if I'm missing something in the 60s or 50s since SMU athletics has been completely irrelevant for the last 25 years.

Also, congrats on getting in on the clusterf***.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on March 26, 2012, 10:50:31 AM
I think I am the last registered user to get on this clusterf**k of a thread.

Nope, you beat me to it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
They cooled on Buzz.

He was Buzz cut.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 26, 2012, 10:52:14 AM
No I know. Just wasn't sure if I'm missing something in the 60s or 50s since SMU athletics has been completely irrelevant for the last 25 years.

Also, congrats on getting in on the clusterf***.
Thanks.  Feels good to be a part of history.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
That is why SMU spent millions to build a practice facilty that is top notch, will spend $50m to udpate our great arena, and will spend to get a good coach.  Investing for the future is how things change.
That's wonderful for your program.  I truly hope it works out well.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 10:56:30 AM
Man o man,  I go away for a beautiful weekend and I come back to find this naked china man of a thread leaping at me.

(http://www.virginmedia.com/images/hangover-14.jpg)

Buzz leaving for SMU would be a kidney punch.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 10:58:11 AM
Man o man,  I go away for a beautiful weekend and I come back to find this naked china man of a thread leaping at me.

(http://www.virginmedia.com/images/hangover-14.jpg)

Buzz leaving for SMU would be a kidney punch.
Try to find about 12 am last night.  Some weird stuff goes down.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 11:00:51 AM
If Buzz were to go to SMU i'd work hard on disbanding the BE and getting away from these clusterf.ck small football schools.  Break the basketball only schools to our own league.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Smu18 on March 26, 2012, 11:02:24 AM
Yeah thats a great idea...you lose ND if you do that and then you lose $$$
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: thebigjake on March 26, 2012, 11:04:05 AM
We can probably shut the thread down now guys. This one is over.

Buzz isn't leaving.  I don't know if there will be any formal announcement or anything, but maybe it will be in the form of Seth Greenburg or Tony Benford named SMU coach.

Time to relax. If you insiders want to check sources again go ahead, but I'm pretty sure this one is done.

I don't know any specifics, or what really caused all this. I just know what I heard.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 11:05:24 AM
Anyone poster not part of this thread should have their handle highlighted in red (scarlet letter) to signify that they are bad bad people.


(http://www.costumzee.com/users/costumzee/nicole19-3763-full.jpg)


Man, has it been quite enjoyable to watch this absolute f***ing DERP tsunami... this s*** has it all, half-assed trolling, bed wetting fear/paranoia, anonymous/ignorant/made up sources/alumnus, hell, even a few random speculations about Chicos being Hoopaloop, rendering of garments, posters rallying for a torch wielding mob for administration people,  etc.  

KEEP IT GOING GUYS!  YOU'RE DOING GREAT!

There have been a few islands of logical thought in here, but it hasn't been easy to find them.  

FYI, average length of a chapter in my thesis dissertation = 37 pages.  This thread is up to 35 pages.  HOLY. LIVING. F***.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 26, 2012, 11:06:19 AM
All of this is going to be over Tony Benford in the end. Watch.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 11:06:36 AM
We can probably shut the thread down now guys. This one is over.

Buzz isn't leaving.  I don't know if there will be any formal announcement or anything, but maybe it will be in the form of Seth Greenburg or Tony Benford named SMU coach.

Time to relax. If you insiders want to check sources again go ahead, but I'm pretty sure this one is done.

I don't know any specifics, or what really caused all this. I just know what I heard.
That's good enough for me.  If thebigjake says it you know it's true.  SMU18 is going to be pissed at thebigjake for intervening and turning this deal south.

Might as well close down the scoop as well and just give thebigjake his own forum to relay knowledge to the masses.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 11:07:17 AM
In before the scarlet letter.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: bobnoxious on March 26, 2012, 11:09:21 AM
Wow its still going, we might as well bring back Deane, hes got that seatbelt for his chair now it might make a difference
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 11:10:05 AM
In before the scarlet letter.


Wonder what she was doing to have such a big smile on her face.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: pbiflyer on March 26, 2012, 11:11:08 AM
All of this is going to be over Tony Benford in the end. Watch.
Well, cr*p, who do we get to replace Benford, then? I like his recruiting chops. And do any of our recruits follow him?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 11:11:37 AM
Yeah thats a great idea...you lose ND if you do that and then you lose $$$

The bball schools don't really get all that much of the TV money. Its really pretty small - something like 1-2 million (not counting NCAA credits). Nova, GTown, MU, St. John's, DePaul, Xavier, etc., would get a decent TV deal that would comparable if not more.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU B2002 on March 26, 2012, 11:14:09 AM
Well, cr*p, who do we get to replace Benford, then? I like his recruiting chops. And do any of our recruits follow him?

Jerrence Howard.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 26, 2012, 11:14:38 AM

Wonder what she was doing to have such a big smile on her face.

Its a big skirt...its all about what is under there.  Probably the same product that SMU18 used to make all his imagined money that he is now imagining he is giving to Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 26, 2012, 11:14:52 AM
Jerrence Howard.

+1
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 11:15:14 AM
We can probably shut the thread down now guys. This one is over.

Buzz isn't leaving.  I don't know if there will be any formal announcement or anything, but maybe it will be in the form of Seth Greenburg or Tony Benford named SMU coach.

Time to relax. If you insiders want to check sources again go ahead, but I'm pretty sure this one is done.

I don't know any specifics, or what really caused all this. I just know what I heard.

But I'm rooting for 1000 replies! I'm sure we can keep this going.

Anyone seen those videos by some group called the Spanish O'Donnells? I hear they're pretty good.

Discuss
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 11:17:13 AM
Hearing good things about Buzz staying, and also to keep the emails coming.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 26, 2012, 11:18:06 AM
Hearing good things about Buzz staying, and also to keep the emails coming.

Hearing these things from who? Give me some optimism!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 26, 2012, 11:19:00 AM
I will not pander to this mob mentality to make this thread the longest ever and simply post about nothing.....the message board is not a place for me to post things about randomly coincidentally connected bits of unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo and then draw significant conclusions from those as stated random pieces of "information" let alone to post about nothing and have people carry on about it.  That is simply irresponsible use of a free internet forum and I won't have it.

Aughnanure, I'm going to keep posting this until you people get it.  Replying for the sake of replying to get over a 1000 replies is just wrong and is what leads to the ascension of the apes.  Don't make me continually post this to get you guys to stop.  Stop posting random things that have nothing to do with this random thread
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 26, 2012, 11:20:02 AM
Anyone poster not part of this thread should have their handle highlighted in red (scarlet letter) to signify that they are bad bad people.

I will not be intimidated into posting in this ridiculous thread.


Edited to add...Doh!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 26, 2012, 11:20:18 AM
Well, cr*p, who do we get to replace Benford, then? I like his recruiting chops. And do any of our recruits follow him?

Well come on man really?  You can't hold back an assistant coach now.  That's ridiculous.  That's how those guys get to the next level.  You can't tell me you are just as concerned losing Benford as you are Buzz.  Great recruiter? Of course but you can't build a 40 foot wall around our program.  Come back down to earth a bit.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2012, 11:20:33 AM
If the Spanish ODonnells were wearing Marquette Gold outfits, with their favorite beers in front of them, while Buzz was being introduced at an SMU press conference, and Tom Crean was there, with Chicos wearing a Directv outift, I think the internet would explode. Of course we would know about this because IWB tweeted about it.

My apologies to mu03eng.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PickNRoll on March 26, 2012, 11:21:14 AM
Couldn't live with myself if I missed out on a chance to be a part of this historical cluster f*** of a thread, even if I have nothing to add (though that doesn't seem to be a requirement for posting).  Has Freeway added his two cents worth yet?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Sir Lawrence on March 26, 2012, 11:22:55 AM
Couldn't live with myself if I missed out on a chance to be a part of this historical cluster f*** of a thread, even if I have nothing to add (though that doesn't seem to be a requirement for posting).  Has Freeway added his two cents worth yet?

I spoke with Freeway this morning.  He asked me if Marquette has found a new Dean for the college of Arts and Sciences yet. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 11:23:39 AM
we only want people with nothing substantive to add in this thread.


Informed people need not enter.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: RJax55 on March 26, 2012, 11:24:30 AM
If the Spanish ODonnells were wearing Marquette Gold outfits, with their favorite beers in front of them, while Buzz was being introduced at an SMU press conference, and Tom Crean was there, with Chicos wearing a Directv outift, I think the internet would explode. Of course we would know about this because IWB tweeted about it.

Dish, you need to work-in Aaron Durley and DJ Newbill.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mwbauer7 on March 26, 2012, 11:24:40 AM
I spoke with Freeway this morning.  He asked me if Marquette has found a new Dean for the college of Arts and Sciences yet.  

Freeway informed me that he's completely over this NCAA tournament season and is looking forward to the Stanley Cup Playoffs...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 11:24:52 AM
I spoke with Freeway this morning.  He asked me if Marquette has found a new Dean for the college of Arts and Sciences yet. 

I'm sure he told you who won the 1972 Women's NCAA Tourney with a complete stat breakdown as well.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 77fan88warrior on March 26, 2012, 11:25:34 AM
Kilroy Was Here
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2012, 11:25:51 AM
I spoke with Freeway this morning.  He asked me if Marquette has found a new Dean for the college of Arts and Sciences yet. 

That's been Freeway's concern for years.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 11:26:48 AM
Couldn't live with myself if I missed out on a chance to be a part of this historical cluster f*** of a thread, even if I have nothing to add (though that doesn't seem to be a requirement for posting).  Has Freeway added his two cents worth yet?


That's right, no solid information allowed.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 11:27:06 AM
I will not be intimidated into posting in this ridiculous thread.


Edited to add...Doh!

HAHAHAHA.  This was my original idea, before I came across the afore-posted Ms. Prynne.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 26, 2012, 11:28:44 AM
Spanish ODonnells to SMU according to Twittererers.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 11:28:57 AM
Dish, you need to work-in Aaron Durley and DJ Newbill.

and Tim Maymon, Diet Pepsi, and a hyperbolic chamber.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 26, 2012, 11:29:02 AM
Well, cr*p, who do we get to replace Benford, then?

Matt Doherty
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: swoopem on March 26, 2012, 11:31:04 AM
I do not see Buzz leaving and have total faith that he and Larry Williams can work out whatever diffrences they may have. I think that Buzz will be loyal to the current players on the roster as well has the recruits we have coming in and stick around for a while (hoepfully the rest of his career).

 Although it would suck to see Benford go its a compliment to the program that Buzz has built and he has said that he tries to get all of his assistants HC jobs. Buzz probably has a list of hundreds of names that he will go to to replace Benford, thats the least of my concerns.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 26, 2012, 11:33:28 AM
I spoke with Freeway this morning.  He asked me if Marquette has found a new Dean LESBIAN for the college of Arts and Sciences yet. 

fixed
Title: Pat Knight to SMU
Post by: mugrad99 on March 26, 2012, 11:34:11 AM
that's the rumor
Title: Re: Pat Knight to SMU
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 26, 2012, 11:35:43 AM
that's the rumor

Buzz to Lamar! (following in Mike Deane's footsteps)
Title: Re: Pat Knight to SMU
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 26, 2012, 11:36:55 AM
that's the rumor
That's really reaching for the stars! 

<teal not needed...right?>
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 26, 2012, 11:40:38 AM
I do not see Buzz leaving and have total faith that he and Larry Williams can work out whatever diffrences they may have. I think that Buzz will be loyal to the current players on the roster as well has the recruits we have coming in and stick around for a while (hoepfully the rest of his career).

 Although it would suck to see Benford go its a compliment to the program that Buzz has built and he has said that he tries to get all of his assistants HC jobs. Buzz probably has a list of hundreds of names that he will go to to replace Benford, thats the least of my concerns.  

GET OUT OF THE THREAD!!!!  GET OUT OF THE GOD DAMN THREAD!!!!  It's not too late for you......RUN!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: pbiflyer on March 26, 2012, 11:41:18 AM
Well come on man really?  You can't hold back an assistant coach now.  That's ridiculous.  That's how those guys get to the next level.  You can't tell me you are just as concerned losing Benford as you are Buzz.  Great recruiter? Of course but you can't build a 40 foot wall around our program.  Come back down to earth a bit.

Actually, I was just adding on to the inane discussion.
Of course I realize that we can't keep our assistants around forever. I am amazed that we have had them this long.
It was nice to find out who might be on the list though.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 26, 2012, 11:41:39 AM
Buzz will generate interest at KSU now as well with Frank Martin supposedly going to South Carolina.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 11:43:30 AM
Buzz will generate interest at KSU now as well with Frank Martin supposedly going to South Carolina.


/James Earl Jones voice

AND SO IT BEGINS...AGAIN.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 26, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
Buzz will generate interest at KSU now as well with Frank Martin supposedly going to South Carolina.

Didn't Martin just admit to paying recruits? Is he still hirable after that?


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 26, 2012, 11:49:27 AM
Did he really admit to that??
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 26, 2012, 11:49:54 AM
If Benford can get an HC job, maybe that's where Majerus returning to MU comes in.

Goodie.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 11:50:15 AM
Didn't Martin just admit to paying recruits? Is he still hirable after that?




He admitted that a player took a money order from a family member and that is why said player was suspended.  He didn't admit to paying players...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 11:51:00 AM
I spoke with Freeway this morning.  He asked me if Marquette has found a new Dean for the college of Arts and Sciences yet.  
Buzz to Dean of the College of Arts and Sciences
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 11:51:31 AM
Yes, Frank admitted to something like sending some kids money while he was still a HS coach. He is not happy with his AD suspending Jamar Samuels before the Cuse game. Holding his own on this point, as he does not think its a violation (and there's validity in that argument).

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/story/_/id/7737800/kansas-state-wildcats-frank-martin-paid-former-prep-players
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spartan3186 on March 26, 2012, 11:52:45 AM
Didn't Martin just admit to paying recruits? Is he still hirable after that?




He admitted to paying former athletes when he was a High School coach. He never admitted to paying former athletes since he has been a college coach. He says he was paying for living expenses (taking the gf out to a movie, laundry etc). College athletes are not permitted to hold jobs during the season and many of his former athletes came from poverty stricken families that couldn't afford anything.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 26, 2012, 11:53:21 AM
Well I did make the home version Real Chili yesterday including spagetti on the bowl bottom.  It was very good.  No oyster crackers.  Didn't want to take a chance on thrown crackers everywhere.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 26, 2012, 11:56:20 AM
Does anyone else think that SMU18 is really this guy?

(http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&biw=1280&bih=903&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=-4XuDgcMTnpd_M:&imgrefurl=http://www.nndb.com/people/490/000051337/&docid=e-HMqU5dDN30yM&imgurl=http://www.nndb.com/people/490/000051337/joseph_mccarthy.jpg&w=248&h=181&ei=-J5wT4GFHM-msAK4_NniBQ&zoom=1)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bocephys on March 26, 2012, 11:56:42 AM
Well I did make the home version Real Chili yesterday including spagetti on the bowl bottom.  It was very good.  No oyster crackers.  Didn't want to take a chance on thrown crackers everywhere.

Plus, you've also got to worry about everyone running out on the tab.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 26, 2012, 11:57:20 AM
Re: Frank Martin

Thanks for the clarifications.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 11:57:25 AM
I had the real thing Sat night at 1am with my daughter following Father-Daughter Dinner Dance. We did experience the cracker toss first hand and my daughter thought it was quite amusing.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 26, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
Well I did make the home version Real Chili yesterday including spagetti on the bowl bottom.  It was very good.  No oyster crackers.  Didn't want to take a chance on thrown crackers everywhere.

Which rendition?
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/bars/real_chili

Real Chili to SMU!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 26, 2012, 12:02:28 PM
Which rendition?
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/bars/real_chili

Real Chili to SMU!

#1
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 26, 2012, 12:08:49 PM
How did he not make this list???

(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID4043/images/special-agent-oso.jpg)

Careful... rich, Methodist Texans with lots of money don't like being called "special."  They execute the special bears in Texas, and not because the bears are spies.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on March 26, 2012, 12:08:58 PM
Buzz to DeVry.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 12:12:14 PM
All of this is irrelevant.  The world is going to end on December 21st.  No more FFs for anyone.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mosarsour on March 26, 2012, 12:18:59 PM
I told myself that I wouldn't contribute to this thread....DAMN IT!!

Anyways, I'd like to thank SMU18 for riling up the MU masses. I found it quite entertaining. But I think we all know that Buzz's loyalty to his players supercedes any loyalty to the administration. There was no way he was going to leave Otule, Wilson, Blue, Cadougan, etc and it was silly of any of you think otherwise.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 12:21:39 PM
If you are talking about loyalty to a player a coach would never leave...old ones get replaced by new ones every year. I think Buzz truly loves the kids but think he probably would love a new group just as easily.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 26, 2012, 12:25:20 PM
Seth already said hes not leaving VT for SMU. My guess  is that Buzz is still listening to SMU. We need to go after Shaka if Buzz leaves.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 26, 2012, 12:28:41 PM
Seth already said hes not leaving VT for SMU. My guess  is that Buzz is still listening to SMU. We need to go after Shaka if Buzz leaves.

I figured I could not possibly be relevant on this board unless I got to post in this mammoth 38 page thread. 

Is this the longest thread since scoop has been around??
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 26, 2012, 12:31:18 PM
If you are talking about loyalty to a player a coach would never leave...old ones get replaced by new ones every year. I think Buzz truly loves the kids but think he probably would love a new group just as easily.

Now that's a real brain-buster.  Maybe he loves his wife, but he could probably love a new one just as easily, too?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: forgetful on March 26, 2012, 12:31:58 PM
SMU needs a coach who will rally the students and get them to go to games.  Someone who likes a lot of sun and a good tan.

Crean to SMU?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 12:33:11 PM
Benny...I am confused by your post. Simply saying that most coaches feel loyalty to their players but they still do make career changes.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 26, 2012, 12:36:52 PM
I figured I could not possibly be relevant on this board unless I got to post in this mammoth 38 page thread. 

Is this the longest thread since scoop has been around??

Not sure
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
I figured I could not possibly be relevant on this board unless I got to post in this mammoth 38 page thread. 

Is this the longest thread since scoop has been around??

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 12:39:26 PM
SMU needs a coach who will rally the students and get them to go to games.  Someone who likes a lot of sun and a good tan.

Crean to SMU?

I realize this was for humor.

However, that is what SMU needs. Buzz has somewhat been lackluster in drumming up support and doing the marketing that Crean was excellent at. He can recruit and he can coach, but if I were SMU I'd be looking for a coach that can do the promotion equally as well.


Here's my issue with the SMU revival, which I actually hope they can do for all their sports programs. You can sell a recruit a new facility and a hot coach. However, SMU has been completely irrelevant since these 15-18 year old recruits were born. If I were a talented kid, I'd be wondering why the hell I'd commit to SMU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 12:40:32 PM
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats

YES! Finally got into that Top Ten poster list!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 12:42:30 PM
Seth already said hes not leaving VT for SMU. My guess  is that Buzz is still listening to SMU. We need to go after Shaka if Buzz leaves.
Shaka is not leaving VCU. We should not set ourselves up for the media saying "no one wants the Marquette job."
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 26, 2012, 12:42:56 PM
Dang it, I promised myself I'd resist getting drawn into this ridiculous thread...

I don't think Buzz is leaving for SMU.  But, for those people who think Buzz will never leave because he said he'd be here as long as MU would have him, or because he loves his players...understand that it's a virtual certainty that one day you will be disappointed.  Coaches leave.  Almost all of them.  Buzz is a great coach, I'm proud he's the coach at Marquette, and I'm going to enjoy having him around as long as he stays.  But he is going to leave (or get fired) at some time...even though he said he'd stay.  And even though I'll probably be disappointed when it happens, I understand that as a husband and a father, he is obligated to do what he thinks is best for him and his family.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: copious1218 on March 26, 2012, 12:43:53 PM
YES! Finally got into that Top Ten poster list!

But the real question is how long before Sultan passes Chicos? Or will Hoop pass Sultan before that happens?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 12:44:23 PM
I figured I could not possibly be relevant on this board unless I got to post in this mammoth 38 page thread. 

Is this the longest thread since scoop has been around??

Congrats to our friends in Chambana.  Their thread about finding a new head coach is almost 400 pages, 10,000 replies and has over 836,000 views!  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 12:51:29 PM
Dang it, I promised myself I'd resist getting drawn into this ridiculous thread...

I don't think Buzz is leaving for SMU.  But, for those people who think Buzz will never leave because he said he'd be here as long as MU would have him, or because he loves his players...understand that it's a virtual certainty that one day you will be disappointed.  Coaches leave.  Almost all of them.  Buzz is a great coach, I'm proud he's the coach at Marquette, and I'm going to enjoy having him around as long as he stays.  But he is going to leave (or get fired) at some time...even though he said he'd stay.  And even though I'll probably be disappointed when it happens, I understand that as a husband and a father, he is obligated to do what he thinks is best for him and his family.
I choose to believe otherwise.  Maybe Buzz is to Marquette as Izzo is to Michigan State.  Why not?  If he leaves it will suck, but I'm believing Buzz until there's a reason not to.

 :P
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 12:54:23 PM
Goose,

Can you add some detail to your "Buzz is unhappy" statement/belief?

What exactly is he unhappy about? Is L. Williams really a big problem? Can he and Buzz coexist? Is this all being overblown? Is Buzz (or larry) just difficult to work with?

My feeling is that this is all being overblown by the internet, but you have been constantly saying that you know Buzz isn't happy. Do you have some details?  

We have a 38 page thread with you and MUguru using a lot of innuendo, but never really laying out any specific details about why Buzz isn't happy(from what I can tell).
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 26, 2012, 12:55:25 PM
I had the real thing Sat night at 1am with my daughter following Father-Daughter Dinner Dance. We did experience the cracker toss first hand and my daughter thought it was quite amusing.

Must be a cmher. I caught hell for not being able to take my daughter. Hope you got the girl home before the real chili started to work it's magic
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 12:55:40 PM
Now that's a real brain-buster.  Maybe he loves his wife, but he could probably love a new one just as easily, too?

Buzz totally loves cake, but totally could eat it, too.  

/IRONCLAD LOGIC
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 12:56:56 PM
Hairy, indeed a CMH'er. Great time and looking forward to next years...my last one:)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 12:57:47 PM
My feeling is that this is all being overblown by the internet
Trust your instincts.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 26, 2012, 01:01:48 PM
Since "Buzz to SMU" has been speculated on Internet sites it must be true.

If Buzz leaves that means the HC job is open.

While it would mean a paycut and moving to Milwaukee, I think I may be interested. Cost of living is lower in MKE afterall. Anyone know where I send my resume? I'm firing up the Commodore 64 and updating it now. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 26, 2012, 01:15:01 PM
I choose to believe otherwise.  Maybe Buzz is to Marquette as Izzo is to Michigan State.  Why not?  If he leaves it will suck, but I'm believing Buzz until there's a reason not to.

 :P

It's not that I don't believe Buzz.  I'm just going on experience.  I've heard many, many coaches say the same things.  I've seen very, very few stay.  Usually (although not always) they're telling the truth at the time.

Like I said, I'll enjoy Buzz as long as he stays.  If that's for the next 25 years, I'll be very happy (as that would mean that he's doing a good job).
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lurch91 on March 26, 2012, 01:17:49 PM
Holy Batcrap!!!

Do you all realize the thread on the SMU board that started this crapfest is only 11 pages long itself?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
It's not that I don't believe Buzz.  I'm just going on experience.  I've heard many, many coaches say the same things.  I've seen very, very few stay.  Usually (although not always) they're telling the truth at the time.

Like I said, I'll enjoy Buzz as long as he stays.  If that's for the next 25 years, I'll be very happy (as that would mean that he's doing a good job).
I understand.  I'm with you even, but I don't care.  I trust Buzz's word when he said he'll stay as long as MU will have him, even if that means I get burned someday.  Maybe that's foolish, but it seems a lot better to me than the crazy going on here the last few days - panicking every time another program asks to speak to him about an open position.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 01:20:00 PM
Goose,

Can you add some detail to your "Buzz is unhappy" statement/belief?

What exactly is he unhappy about? Is L. Williams really a big problem? Can he and Buzz coexist? Is this all being overblown? Is Buzz (or larry) just difficult to work with?

My feeling is that this is all being overblown by the internet, but you have been constantly saying that you know Buzz isn't happy. Do you have some details?  

We have a 38 page thread with you and MUguru using a lot of innuendo, but never really laying out any specific details about why Buzz isn't happy(from what I can tell).


You just answered that question in your own post, sir. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bocephys on March 26, 2012, 01:32:26 PM
Holy Batcrap!!!

Do you all realize the thread on the SMU board that started this crapfest is only 11 pages long itself?

Just another shining example of how much better the Marquette basketball program is.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 01:35:04 PM
You just answered that question in your own post, sir.  

You're right, and I'm not as dumb as my post.

I just want Goose, MUguru and whoever else to lay out the details of what they know, and what they are trying to say.

Here's what I KNOW:

- MU spends a TON of hoops
- Dick Strong is a big supporter and pays a good chunk
- MU utilizes hoops as a marketing tool
- The current president came from Georgetown
- The current AD was approved by the President and the BOT, and has a background at revenue producing athletic programs (ND)
- MU just ADDED another sport
- Buzz is brutally honest with his players, even in the media.
- L. Williams made some honest and interesting comments about Buzz.
- The team and the school have taken a PR hit due to some questionable decision making by the players.
- IWB made a blog post using the term "relationships"

These are things that I know.

2 Posters (maybe a couple of others) here have insinuated 3 things:

#1 Buzz is unhappy with the current admin.
#2 The current admin. wouldn't mind seeing Buzz go
#3 The current admin. would like to spend less on athletics

Its hard for me to really believe any of these 3 things given what I've written above.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 26, 2012, 01:43:55 PM
This is a great post -- and I would only add -- if the insinuation #3 is true I would be deeply disappointed -- even more-so than losing a coach.  Now I am officially in the longest thread competition!

You're right, and I'm not as dumb as my post.

I just want Goose, MUguru and whoever else to lay out the details of what they know, and what they are trying to say.

Here's what I KNOW:

- MU spends a TON of hoops
- Dick Strong is a big supporter and pays a good chunk
- MU utilizes hoops as a marketing tool
- The current president came from Georgetown
- The current AD was approved by the President and the BOT, and has a background at revenue producing athletic programs (ND)
- MU just ADDED another sport
- Buzz is brutally honest with his players, even in the media.
- L. Williams made some honest and interesting comments about Buzz.
- The team and the school have taken a PR hit due to some questionable decision making by the players.
- IWB made a blog post using the term "relationships"

These are things that I know.

2 Posters (maybe a couple of others) here have insinuated 3 things:

#1 Buzz is unhappy with the current admin.
#2 The current admin. wouldn't mind seeing Buzz go
#3 The current admin. would like to spend less on athletics

Its hard for me to really believe any of these 3 things given what I've written above.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2012, 01:45:46 PM
You're right, and I'm not as dumb as my post.

I just want Goose, MUguru and whoever else to lay out the details of what they know, and what they are trying to say.

Here's what I KNOW:

- MU spends a TON of hoops
- Dick Strong is a big supporter and pays a good chunk
- MU utilizes hoops as a marketing tool
- The current president came from Georgetown
- The current AD was approved by the President and the BOT, and has a background at revenue producing athletic programs (ND)
- MU just ADDED another sport
- Buzz is brutally honest with his players, even in the media.
- L. Williams made some honest and interesting comments about Buzz.
- The team and the school have taken a PR hit due to some questionable decision making by the players.
- IWB made a blog post using the term "relationships"

These are things that I know.

2 Posters (maybe a couple of others) here have insinuated 3 things:

#1 Buzz is unhappy with the current admin.
#2 The current admin. wouldn't mind seeing Buzz go
#3 The current admin. would like to spend less on athletics

Its hard for me to really believe any of these 3 things given what I've written above.


The 38 pages can be summed up in this one post.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 01:46:42 PM
2002 and LabWarrior

Believe it or not but I do have credible sources that have inside information on the situation. My sources have very clearly stated that Buzz is very unhappy and very possibly the school has similar feelings. If you want me to out sources, forget it. I am not going to defend myself to you in anyway. You can take my posts as being WAY off base or possibly posts from someone that knows a lot more than you do.

What I really do not understand is why all the anger? BigDaddy posted for two weeks but stated what you wanted to hear and he was gospel. If my stating Buzz was unhappy well before any of you experts had heard that was not evidence I might be right...so be it.

I have stated over and over again I WANT TO BE WRONG...WANT TO EAT CROW. If I am stupid enough to put myself into spot of looking stupid it either makes me someone with inside information or a complete fool. I already know your answer and time will tell if you are correct or not.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 26, 2012, 01:51:52 PM
Not only did Buzz last year state he was not going anywhere he questioned why people would doubt him when he has never gone against his word.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 01:52:37 PM
2002 and LabWarrior

Believe it or not but I do have credible sources that have inside information on the situation. My sources have very clearly stated that Buzz is very unhappy and very possibly the school has similar feelings. If you want me to out sources, forget it. I am not going to defend myself to you in anyway. You can take my posts as being WAY off base or possibly posts from someone that knows a lot more than you do.

What I really do not understand is why all the anger? BigDaddy posted for two weeks but stated what you wanted to hear and he was gospel. If my stating Buzz was unhappy well before any of you experts had heard that was not evidence I might be right...so be it.

I have stated over and over again I WANT TO BE WRONG...WANT TO EAT CROW. If I am stupid enough to put myself into spot of looking stupid it either makes me someone with inside information or a complete fool. I already know your answer and time will tell if you are correct or not.

We get it...for the 100th time, and that's just on this post.  You're such a f***ing martyr.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 01:53:15 PM
2002 and LabWarrior

Believe it or not but I do have credible sources that have inside information on the situation. My sources have very clearly stated that Buzz is very unhappy and very possibly the school has similar feelings. If you want me to out sources, forget it. I am not going to defend myself to you in anyway. You can take my posts as being WAY off base or possibly posts from someone that knows a lot more than you do.

What I really do not understand is why all the anger? BigDaddy posted for two weeks but stated what you wanted to hear and he was gospel. If my stating Buzz was unhappy well before any of you experts had heard that was not evidence I might be right...so be it.

I have stated over and over again I WANT TO BE WRONG...WANT TO EAT CROW. If I am stupid enough to put myself into spot of looking stupid it either makes me someone with inside information or a complete fool. I already know your answer and time will tell if you are correct or not.

I haven't gotten angry once, nor have I asked you to out your sources.

I'm trying to give you a chance to provide some detail into what you know. You've seen what I've posted. What do you know that is so different from that?

"Buzz is unhappy". Great. Can you provide some specifics? Is it like how I "hate my boss", or is it a real fundamental difference? Is it because of the off the court stuff? Is it the WV stuff?

Last year, Buzz got a LARGE new contract. Why the change of heart from both parties this year?

Pilarz and LW just hate Buzz? I mean, c'mon.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 01:54:26 PM
LabWarrior...almost want you to eat to crow but doubt you could ever be wrong. Fortunately in your posts bashing me you have taken time to add the idiotic pictures you find to be clever.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2012, 02:01:20 PM
I blame IWB for 75% of this thread.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: copious1218 on March 26, 2012, 02:03:57 PM
I blame IWB for 75% of this thread.

I blame Chico's.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUCam on March 26, 2012, 02:09:33 PM
I blame Mbakwe.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 02:10:23 PM
The 38 pages can be summed up in this one post.
Please.  He didn't say anything about piloting airplanes, Starsky & Hutch Quotes, or kringles... so I'd say he missed a few key points.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 02:10:28 PM
Well I did make the home version Real Chili yesterday including spagetti on the bowl bottom.  It was very good.  No oyster crackers.  Didn't want to take a chance on thrown crackers everywhere.
Mmmmmmm, chili!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 26, 2012, 02:12:34 PM
2002 and LabWarrior

Believe it or not but I do have credible sources that have inside information on the situation. My sources have very clearly stated that Buzz is very unhappy and very possibly the school has similar feelings. If you want me to out sources, forget it. I am not going to defend myself to you in anyway. You can take my posts as being WAY off base or possibly posts from someone that knows a lot more than you do.

What I really do not understand is why all the anger? BigDaddy posted for two weeks but stated what you wanted to hear and he was gospel. If my stating Buzz was unhappy well before any of you experts had heard that was not evidence I might be right...so be it.

I have stated over and over again I WANT TO BE WRONG...WANT TO EAT CROW. If I am stupid enough to put myself into spot of looking stupid it either makes me someone with inside information or a complete fool. I already know your answer and time will tell if you are correct or not.

Have you ever thought for a moment that your "sources" are a) credible, but not actually "in the know," b) seem credible but are actually relaying hearsay that's gone through multiple levels of paraphrasing/revision or c) jerking you around?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 02:13:47 PM
J'accuse President Felix Faure!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 02:18:43 PM
Benny B...I am almost 50 years, my sources are not ball boys for the program. It is funny that no one has credible sources that they quote saying Buzz is happy.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 26, 2012, 02:20:22 PM
Benny B...I am almost 50 years, my sources are not ball boys for the program. It is funny that no one has credible sources that they quote saying Buzz is happy.

+1
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 02:26:16 PM
Benny B...I am almost 50 years, my sources are not ball boys for the program. It is funny that no one has credible sources that they quote saying Buzz is happy.
the smoking gun...
Title: So how does this impact recruiting?
Post by: 79Warrior on March 26, 2012, 02:27:53 PM

Sure puts the program in a quandry. If Buzz goes you have to figure many of the recruits bail.

If he stays, how many coaches recruiting against MU will use the current issues to their advantage? You can hear it now, Buzz is not going to stick around, etc

Assuming Buzz stays, we almost need a public Kumbaya presser to reassure everyone things are all good. Unless you get a "long haul committment" to the program, nobody will want to come here if the coach is looking after every season.  imo, the end result of this debacle is recruiting just got quite a bit harder.




Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 02:28:10 PM
Benny B...I am almost 50 years, my sources are not ball boys for the program. It is funny that no one has credible sources that they quote saying Buzz is happy.

Goose, I'll believe anything you tell me, the second you start telling me something other than "buzz is unhappy".

Why is he unhappy? What changes have caused a rift? You imply that LW wants to take the program in another direction, what direction is that?

Can you just write out what you know instead of making 1 sentence posts about this in several threads?

I'm not saying you are wrong, or your source is wrong, but you haven't given us anything.
Title: Re: So how does this impact recruiting?
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 02:28:44 PM
Buzz is staying and will not affect recruiting one bit.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 02:29:46 PM
2002---I'll give you this. BUZZ IS NOT GOING TO SMU OR ANYWHERE ELSE!!!!! Bank it!!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Norm on March 26, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
Goose, can you at least give a background as to why you're hearing Buzz is very unhappy? Is it simply the change to Pilarz and Williams? Is it new requirements since the scandal last year? What??
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 02:35:12 PM
And with that, this thread can return to adorable.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 26, 2012, 02:38:00 PM
Does the board automatically turn the f-bomb into "frack"? That is kind of adorable.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bocephys on March 26, 2012, 02:41:55 PM
frack

yes

I enjoyed your other work, but this "new age" haiku doesn't really do it for me.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 26, 2012, 02:42:06 PM
So ... any responses? Sounds like quite a few people wrote to Buzz, Fr. Pillarz and LW — anyone get anything back? Did Buzz's out-of-office reply say anything about SMU?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 02:43:38 PM
Ok, now you can just go right ahead and frack off. Seriously. You're a fracking idiot.

Mods, feel free to ban/lock/whatever.

I'm just fracking done with this crap. What a fracking waste of time.

You are the biggest douche on this board. I don't care what you said, you didn't tell us ANYTHING, and you're not telling us crap now.  

Jesus Christ, where's the Tylenol?


Hey now, let's give Goose some props, at least he's using CAPS, and appears to be moving past acting like a sad faced ninny for the first time in 40 pages of this thread.  No more fainting couch--that's gotta be considered progress.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 26, 2012, 02:44:58 PM
Goose, has something changed and Buzz is staying (new info) or are you just fed up with some posters and are saying Buzz is staying?

Seriously.

Plus, now I've gotten in this thread.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 02:45:12 PM
I enjoyed your other work, but this "new age" haiku doesn't really do it for me.


Not all artists' work
will be hailed by the critics
look forward to more
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: jeffreyweee on March 26, 2012, 02:49:47 PM
Who farted in here? We have a strict no fart policy in new threads.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: OpenLook on March 26, 2012, 02:50:38 PM
I have nothing of value to add (but then again, I'm not sure anyone besides SMU18 does) but thank you for being an enjoyable study break all day! My parents will be glad my tuition dollars are spent reading Scoop.  :)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 02:50:54 PM

Hey now, let's give Goose some props, at least he's using CAPS, and appears to be moving past acting like a sad faced ninny for the first time in 40 pages of this thread.  No more fainting couch--that's gotta be considered progress.

He receives no credit for anything.

I pressed for details several times, got nothing.

Now it's "he's staying!".

unnatural carnal knowledge. THIS.

Worst unnatural carnal knowledgeing thread, worthless unnatural carnal knowledgeing poster, terrible topic. Awful.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 02:52:48 PM
GOO--Fed up with the BS but my post on Buzz staying is 100% accurate. Heard they are mending the relationship and barring a blowup by either party Buzz is staying as our coach.

To any posters that do not think I am ninny feel free to PM with questions. Apologize to having pissed off anyone, aside from Lab and 2002, but really felt this was big issue and tried to give info without exposing contacts.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU B2002 on March 26, 2012, 02:56:20 PM
Ok, now you can just go right ahead and frack off. Seriously. You're a fracking idiot.
....
Jesus Christ, where's the Tylenol?

Of all people 2002 I am a little dissapointed.  Usually you are the one trying to interject the "can't we all agree to disagree/ get along" vibe in topics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guv5LUT1AFw
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MattyWarrior on March 26, 2012, 02:56:37 PM
Goo said ,reporting from 3rd Street and Wisconsin Avenue. Where do you get this crap from?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 02:56:58 PM
2002---I'll give you this. BUZZ IS NOT GOING TO SMU OR ANYWHERE ELSE!!!!! Bank it!!!!

that's a shame. i guess it was his annual diva tantrum - trying to get a yearly up in pay - but hey, 'it's all about the kids though, aw shucks, im a bumpkin'
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 03:01:26 PM
tried to give info without exposing contacts.



No, no you didn't. You didn't give any info. other than "buzz is unhappy".

I was willing/wanting to hear some of your info., but you never provided it.

You acted like some sort of insider, but never said anything of value, or anything that even made sense.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 26, 2012, 03:02:18 PM
GOO--Fed up with the BS but my post on Buzz staying is 100% accurate. Heard they are mending the relationship and barring a blowup by either party Buzz is staying as our coach.

To any posters that do not think I am ninny feel free to PM with questions. Apologize to having pissed off anyone, aside from Lab and 2002, but really felt this was big issue and tried to give info without exposing contacts.



Damn, I was starting to look forward to woody or sully as our coach with Mr. potato head as assistant
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 26, 2012, 03:07:17 PM
Benny B...I am almost 50 years, my sources are not ball boys for the program. It is funny that no one has credible sources that they quote saying Buzz is happy.

When it comes to athletics at Marquette, like almost every other major D-I athletic department, it is basically isolated from the rest of the university.  The athletic department has its own administrators, its own accountants, its own public relations staff, its own receptionists and its own janitors.  It's seemingly an autonomous organization within the university, and while the president may have "technical" authority over the AD, he does not have "recognized" authority within the inner-circle.  Moreover, the inner-workings of an athletic department are highly guarded and nearly all information is on a need-to-know basis due to the high level of scrutiny and exposure, locally and nationally, Marquette receives.

Accordingly, anything and everything with respect to personnel matters with the athletic program would not be common knowledge throughout the campus.  If Buzz is unhappy, there are probably less than a dozen people - outside his immediate family - who would actually know the truth; everyone else is speculating.  So if what you're saying is true, than your "sources" will easily identify you and are likely not very pleased that you're disseminating this information.  Otherwise, I don't care if your source is the provost, law school dean or head janitor, whoever told you whatever they told you is likely talking out of their rear end.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2012, 03:07:51 PM
Damn, I was starting to look forward to woody or sully as our coach with Mr. potato head as assistant

1)  Oso's 3 special steps could have cured our free throw woes.
2)  Evil Dr Porkchop would have been way better as head coach, kind of a pink Frank Martin
3)  Trevor Mbakwe would have stopped this on p. 3.
4)  I blame Striped Tomato for this.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
Of all people 2002 I am a little dissapointed.  Usually you are the one trying to interject the "can't we all agree to disagree/ get along" vibe in topics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guv5LUT1AFw

Well, this one is getting the best of me, I guess.

I never doubted that goose had sources, or even that he might be right. But, he could never back up his claim with anything that resembled a coherent statement.

Now we have people emailing the administration because of wild, unsubstantiated rumors on the internet that don't even make unnatural carnal knowledgeing sense.

Hell, there were posts claiming that we should fire Larry Williams. All because somebody repeatedly said "Buzz is unhappy". with no details on what was actually happening.

Terrible. We're better than that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 03:13:03 PM
Well Benny Boy...my sources are not provost, Dean of Law or head janitor. But thank you for straightening out how the university works and where athletic department operates.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 26, 2012, 03:18:58 PM
GOO--Fed up with the BS but my post on Buzz staying is 100% accurate. Heard they are mending the relationship and barring a blowup by either party Buzz is staying as our coach.


Goose, good to hear.  Will there be some sort of a presser, like a contract extension or something put out to put an end cap on this?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 03:19:31 PM
2002....Shut the frack up already...your so annoying, how many times are you going to ask why Buzz is unhappy? Are you that ignorant that you cant realize the shift in the way we handle athletics has affected Buzz? That we have a new AD who wants to be boss? That we have a new president who cares a lot about the image of the university? That the last AD resigned because of the poor image we created off the court? These are all HUGE changes...Would you be happy if the guy that hired you was gone? Buzz doesn't have the control anymore like he used to because of these changes, THAT is why he is unhappy. He gets the "talk" from LW after an interview when all he was doing was being himself. Wouldn't you be mad if your boss wouldn't let you be yourself? Think rationally people its not that difficult.

Would I be annoyed? Sure.

Would I be mad enough to leave a 2.6million dollar contract and go to another job?

No.

Every employee answers to somebody. I hate the notion that getting a "new boss" has been so insane that Buzz is unhappy and wants to leave.

Buzz has been a basketball nomad his entire life. He has had lots of bosses.

THAT'S why I wanted some details on why he was unhappy. I'm unwilling to jump to the conclusion that Larry Williams and Pilarz are so terrible that Buzz couldn't handle it and was going to SMU.

It sounds idiotic.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 03:20:41 PM
Congrats Tall Titan...well done!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 26, 2012, 03:20:48 PM
No, it doesn't.

I'd rather not discuss enginerding.  I'd be lost.  It wouldn't be a lot of "fun."  By the way, Chicos used the  ::) all the time.  Did he teach you that one?   ::)  This also used to be the time where Chicos would show up and post hundreds of times a night.  Another coincidence?  ::)

Don't ruin my fun, Chicos!

If you click on his profile you can see his last posts.  His last 150 posts he used one of those happy faces things 5 times in 150 posts.  Feel free to go beyond 150 if you desire.  I think you can display 25 per page so it is very easy to see.  That sure defines all the time.  3.33% of the time.   Makes you wonder how many other sensational stories are out there.   :o  (I put that one in there for good humor, so as not to ruin your fun)

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 03:21:13 PM
come on, you were supposed to post nude women.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dinger on March 26, 2012, 03:21:32 PM
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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: RJax55 on March 26, 2012, 03:22:25 PM
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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 26, 2012, 03:23:25 PM
Chicos, USAF sent to University of Michigan to get a MS in Aero Engineering. I understand the theory; it's bullcrap compared to strapping a jet on your ass and going into harm's way. Not much pucker factor in sitting for a diffy q exam when compared to putting your nuts on the line...Course, when we would see the line of tracers come arcing up at us our first thought was always, yea baby! Targets! Suffice it to say we enabled more than a few hajis to meet Allah...

I'm sure you did.  Michigan has a fine Aero Engineering program.  Ranked 5th and Purdue's is 6th.  I'm well aware of both programs.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 03:24:54 PM
1000th reply!

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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Ahoya06 on March 26, 2012, 03:25:09 PM
Bump
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 26, 2012, 03:26:08 PM
2002....Shut the frack up already...your so annoying, how many times are you going to ask why Buzz is unhappy? Are you that ignorant that you cant realize the shift in the way we handle athletics has affected Buzz? That we have a new AD who wants to be boss? That we have a new president who cares a lot about the image of the university? That the last AD resigned because of the poor image we created off the court? These are all HUGE changes...Would you be happy if the guy that hired you was gone? Buzz doesn't have the control anymore like he used to because of these changes, THAT is why he is unhappy. He gets the "talk" from LW after an interview when all he was doing was being himself. Wouldn't you be mad if your boss wouldn't let you be yourself? Think rationally people its not that difficult.

+1
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 03:27:29 PM
HAHAHA.

I'd like to thank Hoopaloop for pulling a "chico's" and pulling up posts made hours and pages ago.

Verrrrrry topical stuff.

Thanks for the laugh. I'm not mad anymore.

Williams Brothers for life.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: robmufan on March 26, 2012, 03:29:20 PM
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Upon further review, 3 of those posts didn't count (for various) reasons.  You are going to have to un-retire and try to help your team win 3rd place in the division
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 03:32:21 PM
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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MileHigh on March 26, 2012, 03:36:22 PM
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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 03:45:51 PM
Think rationally people its not that difficult.

Pretty good nugget there, in a paragraph full of freak out, so yeah...I'm gonna go ahead and do that...


2002....Shut the frack up already...your so annoying, how many times are you going to ask why Buzz is unhappy?

He was going to keep asking until he got a reasonable answer.  Not all of us in this thread gobble up the bulls*** "just trust me" line.

Are you that ignorant that you cant realize the shift in the way we handle athletics has affected Buz?
That we have a new AD who wants to be boss?

Uh, technically, the AD is the boss... that's why he's the Athletic DIRECTOR.  

That we have a new president who cares a lot about the image of the university?

Man, DO ALL OF US EVER PINE for the day when MU will finally have a President who doesn't give two f***s about the image of the university.  That day will be splendid.

That the last AD resigned because of the poor image we created off the court?
These are all HUGE changes...Would you be happy if the guy that hired you was gone?

I'd be unhappy, but then I'd log onto my bank's website, check my balance, and not be unhappy anymore.  I'd also coach a practice or two at the resplendent Al McGuire center, see we've got a top 15 team full of straight up ballers, and not be unhappy anymore.  Being a grown man, I'd realize that given what happened, someone had to face the consequences, and usually that person is the boss, you know, the Athletic DIRECTOR.  That whole, "buck stops here" thing?

Buzz doesn't have the control anymore like he used to because of these changes, THAT is why he is unhappy.

A handful of posters here have said that unverified people have told them that Buzz is unhappy.  S***, even in that IWB skidmark masquerading as a web post, there is no specific mention of the admin. making Buzz unhappy. So highly likely none of this sentence has a word of truth in it.  It's just you getting echoing the echo chamber.  And how much more "control" does one have, being the basketball coach?  If Buzz wants to be the AD, then he should submit his resume.  

He gets the "talk" from LW after an interview when all he was doing was being himself. Wouldn't you be mad if your boss wouldn't let you be yourself?

As awesome as Buzz dancing at half court was, I understand that the boss would talk about it.  Hell, Buzz apologized immediately, because he knows he represents MU. If a boss "letting you be yourself" means either never correcting mistakes, offering advice, just allowing subordinates to do whatever the hell they wanted, why have a boss?  If everyone on this board felt that way about their bosses, no one here would be employed.  

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 26, 2012, 03:46:36 PM
Goose,

Can you add some detail to your "Buzz is unhappy" statement/belief?

What exactly is he unhappy about? Is L. Williams really a big problem? Can he and Buzz coexist? Is this all being overblown? Is Buzz (or larry) just difficult to work with?

My feeling is that this is all being overblown by the internet, but you have been constantly saying that you know Buzz isn't happy. Do you have some details?  

We have a 38 page thread with you and MUguru using a lot of innuendo, but never really laying out any specific details about why Buzz isn't happy(from what I can tell).


A lot of people here have been played by hysteria caused by these two guys.  Are we about to have online bake sales and petitions asking Buzz not to leave?  Has anyone hired a plane to pull a banner around that says we love Buzz?  A singing telegram?  This stuff is crazy.  Are these two guys even MU fans?

We're being told an AD that went to Notre Dame would like to downgrade our program.  A president that purposely took time out of his original speech to the MU community to highlight athletics and men's basketball in particular is also in on the destruction.  

Next thing you know we will have people here fly off the handle because the AD spoke about the coach which he supervises.  Too late.  We have the most insecure fanbase on the planet.  Buzz isn't going anywhere.  If he does, the sun will rise in the east and we will hire a good coach. Three of the last four have taken us to the Sweet 16 and the one who didn't played for it but his team show about 25% against Arkansas.  I'd hate to see him go for all the reasons stated, but you would think that our basketball program lives and breathes as the result of one man.  BS. Have some damn pride about your program and the legacy created under many coaches over the years.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: connie on March 26, 2012, 03:51:38 PM
1000th reply!

And 5000th post!

BANNER WORTHY!

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About the only worthy thing in this,   whatever the hell this is.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 26, 2012, 03:53:47 PM
Nice work Titan... Until this!

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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 03:55:20 PM
Let's recap the highlights of this thread:

*Someone posts a rumor about Buzz leaving
*Board melts down after 30 pages in a few hours on Sunday
*Digger, Blue, and Durley get weaved into the thread...what a surprise
*Badger troll poses as SMU know it all and suckers Hoops, et al into believing he is an all-knowing SMU insider
*CT make his first successful batch of Real Chili at home, minus oyster crackers
*Alleged fighter pilot on magic mushrooms (allegedly) posts haiku rants till 2AM...by the way if your are in the military, THANK YOU for your service.
*Tony "Bedford" no where to be found
*24 hours later, this is still an unsubstantiated rumor

Did I miss any highlights?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 03:56:22 PM
A lot of people here have been played by hysteria caused by these two guys.  Are we about to have online bake sales and petitions asking Buzz not to leave?  Has anyone hired a plane to pull a banner around that says we love Buzz?  A singing telegram?  This stuff is crazy.  Are these two guys even MU fans?

We're being told an AD that went to Notre Dame would like to downgrade our program.  A president that purposely took time out of his original speech to the MU community to highlight athletics and men's basketball in particular is also in on the destruction.  

Next thing you know we will have people here fly off the handle because the AD spoke about the coach which he supervises.  Too late.  We have the most insecure fanbase on the planet.  Buzz isn't going anywhere.  If he does, the sun will rise in the east and we will hire a good coach. Three of the last four have taken us to the Sweet 16 and the one who didn't played for it but his team show about 25% against Arkansas.  I'd hate to see him go for all the reasons stated, but you would think that our basketball program lives and breathes as the result of one man.  BS. Have some damn pride about your program and the legacy created under many coaches over the years.

+1, Hoopaloop

http://www.youtube.com/v/qvPugcb7QGE&fs=1&source=uds
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 26, 2012, 03:58:49 PM
I look at Buzz as a guy who is just getting started.  The first couple of years he just had to keep things together and field a team.  Yet, he as able to recruit players to keep us going and coach us to the NCAA's when we probably were in a rebuilding mode for at least 2 of his first 3 years. He really had to scramble to keep things going and had to fill many scholarships.  

Now, he has managed to keep a staff together, make a name for himself, and continue to recruit and coach at a high level.  He has done a great job while he was establishing himself.  Now that he is established and can sell himself to recruits based upon concrete accomplishments, the bar has been raised as to what he can accomplish.  

I think he can take this team/athletic department to a level we have not seen since the early 80's, while being mentioned with and becoming a top 15 type of program.  We will have some down years, but I suspect we will see many great years.
Even Katz has mentioned us as a top BE program.  

Buzz has a good relationship with so coaches at many highs schools.  Not to bring Crean into this, but Crean seemed to have hit his limits and had so many negative relationship especially locally with coaches.  Buzz seems to be just getting started.    

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 03:58:55 PM
Hoop...If LabWarrior has your back you are way off target. Be careful who you associate with on here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 03:59:46 PM
*Alleged fighter pilot on magic mushrooms (allegedly) posts haiku rants till 2AM...by the way if your are in the military, THANK YOU for your service.

Alleged? You must be new here. It was 11 pm in Seattle.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 26, 2012, 04:00:52 PM
Let's recap the highlights of this thread:

*Someone posts a rumor about Buzz leaving
*Board melts down after 30 pages in a few hours on Sunday
*Digger, Blue, and Durley get weaved into the thread...what a surprise
*Badger troll poses as SMU know it all and suckers Hoops, et al into believing he is an all-knowing SMU insider
*CT make his first successful batch of Real Chili at home, minus oyster crackers
*Alleged fighter pilot on magic mushrooms (allegedly) posts haiku rants till 2AM...by the way if your are in the military, THANK YOU for your service.
*Tony "Bedford" no where to be found
*24 hours later, this is still an unsubstantiated rumor

Did I miss any highlights?


Yes, you missed that all appears well now, so we can relax.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 04:05:14 PM
Yes, you missed that all appears well now, so we can relax.

Agreed......that was implied.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 04:06:34 PM
Can I organize the online bake sale?
The haikus kept me up too late because I was laughing too hard.
Been gone for a few hours and have to catch up.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 04:07:42 PM
Hoop...If LabWarrior has your back you are way off target.

I don't particularly think Hoop gives one f***ing iota who he does or doesn't associate with on this board, or who has his back, and I wouldn't expect him to.  Nor would I expect him to give a s*** with your assessment of how on or off target he is.

Be careful who you associate with on here.

Again, the ninny comes out.  Be careful, HOOP!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 26, 2012, 04:08:09 PM
Can I organize the online bake sale?
The haikus kept me up too late because I was laughing too hard.
Been gone for a few hours and have to catch up.

just make sure you have some of those rice crispie treats, i love those, and pecan pie for buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 04:09:45 PM
just make sure you have some of those rice crispie treats, i love those, and pecan pie for buzz.

Kringles too  ;)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2012, 04:10:12 PM
1000th reply!

And 5000th post!

BANNER WORTHY!

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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 04:10:35 PM
Forgot to say congrats to TallTitan.  I have a long way to go.
Rice Krispie treats are my specialty, and I made a kick-ass kolacky.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 04:11:28 PM
Meant to say make a kick-ass kolacky.
Will stop in Racine for some Kringles.
Still catching up.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 04:14:22 PM
Seth Greenberg said no to SMU.  Back to Buzz?

http://blogs.roanoke.com/courtside/

Will this charge everyone up to get to 75 pages?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2012, 04:14:39 PM
Please

sorry for the expletive.

hmmm....pictures of monkeys with f-bombs....a work around to Rocky's stupid "frack"....I like it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2012, 04:17:37 PM
Upon further review, 3 of those posts didn't count (for various) reasons.  You are going to have to un-retire and try to help your team win 3rd place in the division

DAMN!  It happened Rob!  3 posts went away in the thread and I am now reply 997!

My whole reputation is down the drain!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dinger on March 26, 2012, 04:22:09 PM
DAMN!  It happened Rob!  3 posts went away in the thread and I am now reply 997!

My whole reputation is down the drain!

Oooooh - any chance we can get two more posts deleted?  I'm sitting at 1002 now...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 04:22:59 PM
Seth Greenberg said no to SMU.  Back to Buzz?

http://blogs.roanoke.com/courtside/

Will this charge everyone up to get to 75 pages?


Virginia Tech's Seth Greenberg says he has no interest in opening at smu. "I am putting all of my focus into building our program

When is Buzz going to make a similar statement so that we can all get some rest tonight?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: robmufan on March 26, 2012, 04:23:13 PM
DAMN!  It happened Rob!  3 posts went away in the thread and I am now reply 997!

My whole reputation is down the drain!

If Dane Cook comes to your house in a Racing Sausage Suit, your life might be headed in the wrong direction!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 04:24:14 PM
Virginia Tech's Seth Greenberg says he has no interest in opening at smu. "I am putting all of my focus into building our program

When is Buzz going to make a similar statement so that we can all get some rest tonight?

Buzz does not do that.  He does not respond to rumors and gossip.  Never has and never will.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 04:28:00 PM
In an ultimate twist, Hoop is now the 1000 poster.

(Insert sad horn).

HAHAHA.

This is funny now.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 26, 2012, 04:30:27 PM
In an ultimate twist, Hoop is now the 1000 poster.

(Insert sad horn).

HAHAHA.

This is funny now.

...with 666 posts. Muhahahahaha.

(https://www.evernote.com/shard/s25/sh/8e6b0f1b-c072-405b-a172-5e5200f0c32c/b65dae85ba5743e79afdb97f0ff436c8/res/79cbbf1f-7a03-4125-ae64-de56e266f9dc/SMU_Fans__Thread_on_Getting_Buzz_is_Adorable-20120326-162920.jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 04:32:19 PM
Where is Englund on this?  Why hasn't we weighed in?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 04:33:10 PM
Where is Englund on this?  Why hasn't we weighed in?

Making another Nightmare on Elm Street movie, maybe?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 04:38:50 PM
...with 666 posts. Muhahahahaha.

(https://www.evernote.com/shard/s25/sh/8e6b0f1b-c072-405b-a172-5e5200f0c32c/b65dae85ba5743e79afdb97f0ff436c8/res/79cbbf1f-7a03-4125-ae64-de56e266f9dc/SMU_Fans__Thread_on_Getting_Buzz_is_Adorable-20120326-162920.jpg.jpg)


Now I'm scared.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 26, 2012, 04:40:06 PM
2002---I'll give you this. BUZZ IS NOT GOING TO SMU OR ANYWHERE ELSE!!!!! Bank it!!!!

Good.  They are working on mending the relationship.  That is what smart and reasonable people do.

Too bad Marquette Madness is 200+ days away.  I'm ready for next year right now!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 26, 2012, 04:42:16 PM
A lot of people here have been played by hysteria caused by these two guys.  Are we about to have online bake sales and petitions asking Buzz not to leave?  Has anyone hired a plane to pull a banner around that says we love Buzz?  A singing telegram?  This stuff is crazy.  Are these two guys even MU fans?

We're being told an AD that went to Notre Dame would like to downgrade our program.  A president that purposely took time out of his original speech to the MU community to highlight athletics and men's basketball in particular is also in on the destruction. 

Next thing you know we will have people here fly off the handle because the AD spoke about the coach which he supervises.  Too late.  We have the most insecure fanbase on the planet.  Buzz isn't going anywhere.  If he does, the sun will rise in the east and we will hire a good coach. Three of the last four have taken us to the Sweet 16 and the one who didn't played for it but his team show about 25% against Arkansas.  I'd hate to see him go for all the reasons stated, but you would think that our basketball program lives and breathes as the result of one man.  BS. Have some damn pride about your program and the legacy created under many coaches over the years.


Agreed.  Now people want the press conference confirming he is staying?  Cmon....

I was a young season ticket holder when Kevin O'Neill left and I thought it was the end of Marquette basketball.  It wasn't.  Went through some doldrums but we are better than ever.  MU basketball is more than one man, but I am very glad that man is staying.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 26, 2012, 04:47:50 PM
Let's recap the highlights of this thread:

*Someone posts a rumor about Buzz leaving
*Board melts down after 30 pages in a few hours on Sunday
*Digger, Blue, and Durley get weaved into the thread...what a surprise
*Badger troll poses as SMU know it all and suckers Hoops, et al into believing he is an all-knowing SMU insider
*CT make his first successful batch of Real Chili at home, minus oyster crackers
*Alleged fighter pilot on magic mushrooms (allegedly) posts haiku rants till 2AM...by the way if your are in the military, THANK YOU for your service.
*Tony "Bedford" no where to be found
*24 hours later, this is still an unsubstantiated rumor

Did I miss any highlights?


Maybe just 1, as we hit over a 1000 postings and counting.......
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: AZWarrior on March 26, 2012, 05:11:35 PM
No, no you didn't. You didn't give any info. other than "buzz is unhappy".

I was willing/wanting to hear some of your info., but you never provided it.

You acted like some sort of insider, but never said anything of value, or anything that even made sense.  

Goose - I concur.  I'm OK with you "wanting to protect a source", but you never provided any rationale for Buzz being unhappy.  You never build any kind of a case.   Tough to assign you any credibility given these circumstances.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 05:18:31 PM
AZ my credibility came when I mentioned both Buzz and MU being unhappy with each other weeks ago. I would think with the subsequent events my stating the rift well in advance would be evidence enough. Really do not care, my only goal was to let fans that care know we had a problem.

I think by now anyone on this thread knows why the two parties have a wedge between them. Buzz protects his fella's and admin thinks Buzz is loose cannon. Was asked a dozen times about loose cannon, mocked thirty times about it and could not believe what was so hard to figure out about that comment. MU is worried about overall reputation and Buzz is worried about his boys and winning.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Les Nessman on March 26, 2012, 05:21:14 PM
AZ my credibility came when I mentioned both Buzz and MU being unhappy with each other weeks ago. I would think with the subsequent events my stating the rift well in advance would be evidence enough. Really do not care, my only goal was to let fans that care know we had a problem.

I think by now anyone on this thread knows why the two parties have a wedge between them. Buzz protects his fella's and admin thinks Buzz is loose cannon. Was asked a dozen times about loose cannon, mocked thirty times about it and could not believe what was so hard to figure out about that comment. MU is worried about overall reputation and Buzz is worried about his boys and winning.

But he's not leaving, right?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 05:24:46 PM
Goose - I concur.  I'm OK with you "wanting to protect a source", but you never provided any rationale for Buzz being unhappy.  You never build any kind of a case.   Tough to assign you any credibility given these circumstances.

FWIW, between the different Marquette boards, there seem to be 4-5 people actively posting that claim to have inside ties to the Marquette program. In the past 24 hours, those people have been the ones that have all pretty much voiced concern that Buzz may leave.

Maybe there was nothing here. Maybe it was SMU trolls stirring the pot. Or maybe the people that claim to have inside knowledge actually had inside knowledge. None of them have shared any specifics of what the turmoil was about, so Goose isn't alone in that regard, but all of them seem to have had legitimate concerns.

Honestly, early on, I was very skeptical about Goose's claims, but I can definitely verify that he's not the only one saying essentially the same thing. I don't have the same insider contacts any of them do, so I can't shed any more light on the situation, but it seems unlikely they would all have the same concern at the same time and it would be completely unfounded.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 05:26:47 PM
my feelings are hurt
makes me think of home...texas
delusional thoughts
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 05:27:11 PM
The title of this thread is ironic.  We have a 43 page thread on Buzz leaving to SMU of all places...how adorable are we.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Oldgym on March 26, 2012, 05:27:34 PM
Hey guys...been working all day.  Did I miss anything?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Ari Gold on March 26, 2012, 05:35:05 PM
Let's recap the highlights of this thread:

*Someone posts a rumor about Buzz leaving
*Board melts down after 30 pages in a few hours on Sunday
*Digger, Blue, and Durley get weaved into the thread...what a surprise
*Badger troll poses as SMU know it all and suckers Hoops, et al into believing he is an all-knowing SMU insider
*CT make his first successful batch of Real Chili at home, minus oyster crackers
*Alleged fighter pilot on magic mushrooms (allegedly) posts haiku rants till 2AM...by the way if your are in the military, THANK YOU for your service.
*Tony "Bedford" no where to be found
*24 hours later, this is still an unsubstantiated rumor

Did I miss any highlights?


Didn't read this thread when it started at 2-3 pages. then boom 43. Thanks chili for catching me up
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 05:43:08 PM
From the SMU board, posted about half an hour ago...

Buzz isn't dead, but was never as lively as many wanted to believe. You have to be careful w/booster leaks during coaching searches, b/c they're seldom neutral and don't rep the person potentially being hired, just the wishes of the admin/school.

The reality is that he's really cagey, just doesn't like his new AD/Pres. He's using this offer in the court of public opinion to get them to bend down and kiss the ring. Its not so much about money, as much as getting them to let him do business as usual, which has provided many JCs and a small crime wave lol. It's not over, but the longer it drags etc...

Obviously, Seth is in play, as are a few other guys on that level. I've been told there is probably someone, maybe two someones, between buzz & Seth. There is also a small school coach in the running, who is a darkhorse. He's a great coach that would do well here, but its certainly a step up. I know this fella somewhat, so trying to confirm
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 05:50:23 PM
One thing that I completely forgot about until a couple minutes ago, and was common knowledge at the time, but I don't think has been part of anyone's thought process the past few days...

Buzz stepped down from the UNO job because he felt that he wasn't getting enough of a commitment from administration. When he did so, he went from a head coaching job to what many would see as a step down as an assistant on TC's bench.

If he doesn't feel he has adequate support from Marquette's administration, he's already shown he has no fear about taking a lesser role in exchange for a situation he feels more comfortable in.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 05:52:09 PM
One thing that I completely forgot about until a couple minutes ago, and was common knowledge at the time, but I don't think has been part of anyone's thought process the past few days...

Buzz stepped down from the UNO job because he felt that he wasn't getting enough of a commitment from administration. When he did so, he went from a head coaching job to what many would see as a step down as an assistant on TC's bench.

If he doesn't feel he has adequate support from Marquette's administration, he's already shown he has no fear about taking a lesser role in exchange for a situation he feels more comfortable in.

You had to do this brew?

Commence...  SKY IS FALLING PART 63
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 05:53:01 PM
One thing that I completely forgot about until a couple minutes ago, and was common knowledge at the time, but I don't think has been part of anyone's thought process the past few days...

Buzz stepped down from the UNO job because he felt that he wasn't getting enough of a commitment from administration. When he did so, he went from a head coaching job to what many would see as a step down as an assistant on TC's bench.

If he doesn't feel he has adequate support from Marquette's administration, he's already shown he has no fear about taking a lesser role in exchange for a situation he feels more comfortable in.

That has crossed my mind as well.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 05:55:04 PM
You had to do this brew?

Commence...  SKY IS FALLING PART 63

Well, we still have a while to catch the 2400+ post Baseball Pissing Match thread.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: AZWarrior on March 26, 2012, 05:55:54 PM
The other board mentions a JS article where the current AD was critical of Buzz.  If accurate, can anyone provide a link, or a quote from that article?  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 26, 2012, 05:56:00 PM
Brew...I think MU is more worried about Buzz staying than leaving. That said, Buzz wins by staying in this case. It is not as much as about having support because he will, it is about the fact staying will drive the brass crazy. One aspect not discussed in detail much is the what the admin thinks of Buzz. Do they like him or do they think he is a big risk?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 05:56:23 PM
We are going to hit 60 pages tonight, aren't we?  ;D

CT, got any chili left over?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 06:17:29 PM
The other board mentions a JS article where the current AD was critical of Buzz.  If accurate, can anyone provide a link, or a quote from that article?  Thanks in advance.

This is the article by Don Walker...

http://m.jsonline.com/more/sports/goldeneagles/141323703.htm

And this is the passage:

Quote from: Don Walker
"I expect Buzz back. Want him back," Williams said. "I think we started something good with him. . . . I'd be excited to help him grow as a coach."

Last year, Buzz Williams signed a new contract with a rollover that reportedly pays him $2 million a year. Larry Williams did not disclose details of the deal but said Marquette has the coach under contract for multiple years.

Larry Williams, a former professional football player, likes his head coach's zeal for the game. But he was a little concerned when Williams did a little dance on the floor at West Virginia after his Golden Eagles defeated the Mountaineers recently. Buzz Williams quickly apologized.

"He's an emotional guy, passionate guy, but if you're going to have long-term success, you have to channel that and control that," the athletic director said. "He was happy as a clam to dance across the court, but he didn't think about offending somebody else.

"But that is his passion and exuberance. He is either going to explode because his tie is on too tight or he's going to offend somebody that is irrevocable."
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Small Orange Soda on March 26, 2012, 06:19:31 PM
From the SMU board, posted about half an hour ago...

Buzz isn't dead, but was never as lively as many wanted to believe. You have to be careful w/booster leaks during coaching searches, b/c they're seldom neutral and don't rep the person potentially being hired, just the wishes of the admin/school.

The reality is that he's really cagey, just doesn't like his new AD/Pres. He's using this offer in the court of public opinion to get them to bend down and kiss the ring. Its not so much about money, as much as getting them to let him do business as usual, which has provided many JCs and a small crime wave lol. It's not over, but the longer it drags etc...

Obviously, Seth is in play, as are a few other guys on that level. I've been told there is probably someone, maybe two someones, between buzz & Seth. There is also a small school coach in the running, who is a darkhorse. He's a great coach that would do well here, but its certainly a step up. I know this fella somewhat, so trying to confirm

The bolded part continues to annoy me to no end.  Of the JC's that Buzz has brought to MU, only one (DJO) has had any public disciplinary issues.  It's so sad that some people have these prejudices and don't bother taking the time to actually look at who these guys are.  To hear Jimmy Butler's story, or read about how Jae Crowder had to do two years of academic work in one (due to being misled by his first JUCO coach) all the while winning NJCAA player of the year, and then see people look down at them because they went to Junior College is so...well, I don't even think there's a word for it.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 06:21:43 PM
You had to do this brew?

LOL  :D

Mentioned it more for the future than the present. While it's great that there was a mass email campaign today to show support for Buzz, it's important that this be done on a continual basis. Maybe we should get a group together of people willing to email both Williams and Pilarz once every 6 months. If we can find 180 or so people, that will ensure they each get about one email per day showing support for Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 06:30:57 PM
Whew.  ...   I was worried 5 pages ago, when Goose announced Buzz was staying, that this wonderful thread would die.  Thankfully, 5 pages later, Brew comes through for us all!  Thanks Brew.  Let's shoot for 100 now ladies and gentlemen.  I think we can do it!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
Oooooh - any chance we can get two more posts deleted?  I'm sitting at 1002 now...

Only if the ones replacing them talk about

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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 26, 2012, 06:38:20 PM
Virginia Tech's Seth Greenberg says he has no interest in opening at smu. "I am putting all of my focus into building our program

When is Buzz going to make a similar statement so that we can all get some rest tonight?

If this is keeping you up at night, time to check your priorities.

Has it ever dawned on anyone that Buzz is just meeting with SMU to remind MUs powers that be that he has options and therefore leverage? He's not going anywhere. SMU, cmon. It doesn't pass the sniff test.

It's called a power play. Goes on all the time.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 06:39:04 PM
Hey guys...been working all day.  Did I miss anything?
No
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ultimate on March 26, 2012, 06:45:45 PM
I'm sick of this thread...we should charge money to post on this monster...

Go Read this...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=31997.0

yup...promoting my own post
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JD on March 26, 2012, 06:50:37 PM
Stupid faces!!

There, just wanted to chime in.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 26, 2012, 07:09:43 PM
Bump
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SoCalwarrior on March 26, 2012, 07:16:35 PM
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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 07:26:05 PM
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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 07:27:20 PM
Bump

Sadly this contributed more than most posts on this thread.  Including this post.
Title: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: MU Avenue on March 26, 2012, 07:31:34 PM
The flurry over Buzz Williams’ future at Marquette has become absurd.

Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?

Has Buzz or anyone else on the inside commented publicly? By saying nothing, Buzz is only confirming that he is considering a move, no?

Has there been news coverage that has moved the story forward?

Does anyone know a single fact?
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 07:33:58 PM
Tomorrow is Tuesday (according to my sources, who shall remain nameless).
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2012, 07:34:21 PM
I would just like to add that Tom Crean is a douche bottle.

Thank you,

ZFB
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 07:34:37 PM
Only a matter of seconds before the "Buzz to K-State" crap ball gets rolling.
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 07:35:37 PM
Only a matter of seconds before the "Buzz to K-State" crap ball gets rolling.

KSU fans are begging for Buzz on twitter.
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 07:38:29 PM
KSU fans are begging for Buzz on twitter.

Trending in Manhattan
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nyg on March 26, 2012, 07:39:05 PM
A lear jet with some sort of purpelish colors and a cat like figure just landed at Mitchell Field.  

This is per KSU17 and KSU18.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 07:41:42 PM
A lear jet with some sort of purpelish colors and a cat like figure just landed at Mitchell Field.  

This is per KSU17 and KSU18.  

Word has it, they are scouting out our kringles.
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 07:42:08 PM
KSU fans are begging for Buzz on twitter.

Somebody posted a few pages back about not needing their tar and feathers anymore.  If you have some, KState is looking for it:  

Dear Mr. Currie
I would highly suggest you let loose some of you Control Freak tactics and right the ship. If not, our alums will be running your ass out of town on a rail.

Instead of coming out with a political BS reason as to why Frank is leaving for South Carolina, try to tell the truth for once. If you are the reason for his departure, then maybe you need to be replaced as well. If we have coaches that continue to hit the exit door, then your position needs to be re-evaluated.

If anything like this happens with LHCBS, you can expect a tar and feathering.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
This was emailed to me from someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true ...

a student overheard pilarz and buzz talking today - and pilarz supposedly said, "well, you have to do what you have to do."


If true:

a) Buzz was in Milwaukee today
b) he talked to Pillarz
c) he doing something Pillarz prefer he not do (talk to SMU or go to SMU?)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 07:50:39 PM
This was emailed to me from someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true ...

a student overheard pilarz and buzz talking today - and pilarz supposedly said, "well, you have to do what you have to do."


If true:

a) Buzz was in Milwaukee today
b) he talked to Pillarz
c) he doing something Pillarz prefer he not do (talk to SMU or go to SMU?)

O/u on the amount of time it will take to hit 100 pages after this comment? I say 1.5 days is about right
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 07:51:54 PM

c) he doing something Pillarz prefer he not do (talk to SMU or go to SMU?)

Laugh at the 1000+ post thread on MUScoop would be my guess.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: NCAARules on March 26, 2012, 07:52:34 PM
This was emailed to me from someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true ...

a student overheard pilarz and buzz talking today - and pilarz supposedly said, "well, you have to do what you have to do."


If true:

a) Buzz was in Milwaukee today
b) he talked to Pillarz
c) he doing something Pillarz prefer he not do (talk to SMU or go to SMU?)

Yay! Double (anonymous) hearsay!

I'll say it again ... yawn.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 26, 2012, 07:52:59 PM
This was emailed to me from someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true ...

a student overheard pilarz and buzz talking today - and pilarz supposedly said, "well, you have to do what you have to do."



In the Zibler Hall Men's Room? ;D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 07:55:58 PM
This was emailed to me from someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true ...

a student overheard pilarz and buzz talking today - and pilarz supposedly said, "well, you have to do what you have to do."


If true:

a) Buzz was in Milwaukee today
b) he talked to Pillarz
c) he doing something Pillarz prefer he not do (talk to SMU or go to SMU?)


Order lunch from Real Chili?
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 26, 2012, 07:56:14 PM
Trending in Manhattan

Mrs. Buzz will be excited to take the $1.1mm salary they paid Martin to live in Manhattan
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: pbiflyer on March 26, 2012, 07:57:27 PM
This was passed along to me by someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true...

SMU is a university with a lot of money looking for a basketball coach.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 26, 2012, 07:58:32 PM
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow.  Two independent people know about it and  have said not to worry however.  But I still am worried....

BTW, I am not kidding about this.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 07:58:39 PM
Oh damn, they're taking it outside closed doors now.    Hear there's a brass knuckle fight planned on 16th and Wisconsin between Pilarz and Buzz noon tomorrow.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 07:59:52 PM
This was passed along to me by someone at MU I know would not pass along info unless he believed it was true...

SMU is a university with a lot of money looking for a basketball coach.


Why do I think negotiations wouldn't be taking place within earshot of anyone who could pass it on to us maniacs?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 08:00:08 PM
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow.  Two independent people know about it and  have said not to worry however.  But I still am worried....

Great.   John Groce welcome to Marquette.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 08:00:24 PM
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow.  Two independent people know about it and  have said not to worry however.  But I still am worried....

BTW, I am not kidding about this.

Do you know what time?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: chapman on March 26, 2012, 08:01:20 PM
Some semi-maybe/almost/kind of insider info has suggested the whole thing has calmed down significantly.  And that the e-mail campaign has not gone unnoticed.  Have you sent your e-mails supporting Buzz yet?  No?  Then f*kin do it you lazy turds!

Larry Williams: Lawrence.Williams@marquette.edu
Fr. Pilarz: Scott.Pilarz@marquette.edu
Coach Buzz: Brent.Williams@marquette.edu

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 08:03:13 PM
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow.  Two independent people know about it and  have said not to worry however.  But I still am worried....

BTW, I am not kidding about this.
.

Guarantee we pass 60 now.  Just wait till Hoops and Goose finish cleaning the kitchen from dinner tonight  ;D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 26, 2012, 08:03:29 PM
Do you know what time?


No.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
.

Guarantee we pass 60 now.  Just wait till Hoops and Goose finish cleaning the kitchen fro dinner tonight  ;D

A late night eh after they ate a lot for lunch.
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 26, 2012, 08:05:37 PM
The flurry over Buzz Williams’ future at Marquette has become absurd.

Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?

Has Buzz or anyone else on the inside commented publicly? By saying nothing, Buzz is only confirming that he is considering a move, no?

Has there been news coverage that has moved the story forward?

Does anyone know a single fact?

I know a few facts:

Buzz Williams is under contract to coach the Marquette basketball team;
Marquette's basketball program is superior to SMU's in every regard;
Buzz is a celebrity who benefits from having his name in the news;
It would be disastrous to Larry Williams' career for Buzz to leave MU;
Marquette just signed a new, local recruit last week;
Major college basketball coaches rarely, if ever, take a "step down" by choice, regardless of money.

There are other things I "think" and other things I've "heard" today (some from some pretty decent sources, but far from Buzz, Williams, Pilarz, etc), but those are the facts I "know."

My educated conclusion is this: This is a power play. There was some tension this past fall, but not because Pilarz and Williams were "new" but because of the fallout from the scandal in the news last fall. The simple fact is the players at issue were under Buzz's supervision. Fair or not, heavy is the head that wears the crown. Buzz took some flak. Now he's "brushing back" and asserting some power. It would be very bad for many people at Marquette professionally if Buzz left. They won't let it happen.

Anyways, time and success heal all wounds. Everything is going to be fine. Everyone should relax.



Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nyg on March 26, 2012, 08:06:05 PM
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow.  Two independent people know about it and  have said not to worry however.  But I still am worried....

BTW, I am not kidding about this.

To squash all the rumors and end of the year assessments.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 26, 2012, 08:08:18 PM
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow.  Two independent people know about it and  have said not to worry however.  But I still am worried....

BTW, I am not kidding about this.

Will Corey's brother be leaking any news to ESPN before the meeting?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 08:09:07 PM
If what I passed along is true it means Buzz is in Milwaukee (not Dallas) and talking to Pillarz (not SMU).

That is good.  Check Mitchell field for private planes to Dallas flights tomorrow.  If Buzz is still at MU wednesday, this is over.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 08:09:50 PM
To squash all the rumors and end of the year assessments.  

End of the year assessments......is that common/coincidence for a team to do that now?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 08:11:27 PM
End of the year assessments......is that common/coincidence for a team to do that now?


...and wouldn't they get more than 1 day's notice?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 26, 2012, 08:11:43 PM
Players meeting has been called for tomorrow.  Two independent people know about it and  have said not to worry however.  But I still am worried....

BTW, I am not kidding about this.


Are the players being shuttled to The Quon.? Keep followin' ESPN.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 08:11:48 PM
.

Guarantee we pass 60 now.  Just wait till Hoops and Goose finish cleaning the kitchen from dinner tonight  ;D

60?  Come on man, shoot higher than that.  The comment by Another84 should get us to 60.  Add in Sultan's comment and if we don't break 100, there is something wrong with us.  Come on everyone, we can do it!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 08:12:34 PM
If the team met with LW and Pillarz and promised them to be better behaved, would the admin back off Buzz?  Would they do that?  Would it matter?

(assuming this is the real issue causing all this)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 08:13:22 PM
60?  Come on man, shoot higher than that.  The comment by Another84 should get us to 60.  Add in Sultan's comment and if we don't break 100, there is something wrong with us.  Come on everyone, we can do it!!

60 is the number I picked in Vegas again! 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: chapman on March 26, 2012, 08:13:41 PM
Do you know what time?

10:17 AM.  They chose the awkward time as a statement in support of Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nyg on March 26, 2012, 08:14:02 PM
End of the year assessments......is that common/coincidence for a team to do that now?

Why not?  Maybe he gave them some days off to chill out.  If it was an emergency meeting, he would have done it tonight.  Just a guess and how do you know the meeting wasn't scheduled days ago.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 08:15:42 PM
15 more to go.

Last night, it was a new page every 10 minutes.

Should be at 60 by 10:43.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 08:15:56 PM
Why not?  Maybe he gave them some days off to chill out.  If it was an emergency meeting, he would have done it tonight.  Just a guess and how do you know the meeting wasn't scheduled days ago.  
Yep.  Agreed.  

If it was something earth breaking, they don't call it a day in advance, they call it an hour in advance.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LON on March 26, 2012, 08:17:51 PM
If the team met with LW and Pillarz and promised them to be better behaved, would the admin back off Buzz?  Would they do that?  Would it matter?

(assuming this is the real issue causing all this)

I heard they were already on Double Secret Probation.

And sh*t got real when Derrick Wilson was caught chatting up Larry Williams' wife.  Larry Williams overheard him talking about "sensuous" fruit or something like that.

/not confirmed by me
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 26, 2012, 08:20:36 PM
This is not moving nearly fast enough for it to reach 100 before the story is over.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 26, 2012, 08:21:17 PM
I think this stuff is over.  Buzz is staying and I think we actually had an impact(those that emailed).  I suspect LW realized he had a crap storm on his hands and moved quickly to suppress it.  I also agree with whom every posted that this was Buzz leveraging the situation.  It was basically Buzz saying listen, trust me or this thing won't work.  Hopefully that puts an end to the micromanagement.
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 08:22:18 PM
Has Buzz or anyone else on the inside commented publicly? By saying nothing, Buzz is only confirming that he is considering a move, no?
No.  By saying nothing, Buzz is saying nothing.  By inferring things from nothing, you are making unsubstantiated leaps and grasping at straws.  So right in line with the rest of the thread.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 26, 2012, 08:22:51 PM
I just landed in Dallas this morning at 10:30AM and there was no Buzz at the airport.  There was a slight hum but definitely not a Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 26, 2012, 08:23:04 PM
The meeting is not about end of the year assessments.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 26, 2012, 08:24:21 PM
I just heard "Rumour Has It."  Adele must know something about Buzz's future plans.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 26, 2012, 08:25:51 PM
The meeting is not about end of the year assessments.  
This thread is too confusing. Posters I normally respect have been playing head games all day, and now I can't figure what to trust.

I'm just going to accept that whatever happens is outside my control…and keep posting so we break 100 pages.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 08:26:07 PM
The question that I haven't seen asked and needs to be is what happened to SMU18?  Did his mom take away computer privileges?  He hasn't been here trolling for nearly 10 hours.  That is far too long for nap time.  Color me concerned.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: timinatorx3 on March 26, 2012, 08:26:34 PM
Someone get Bruce Weber on the phone
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 08:27:05 PM
I think this stuff is over.  Buzz is staying and I think we actually had an impact(those that emailed).  I suspect LW realized he had a crap storm on his hands and moved quickly to suppress it.  I also agree with whom every posted that this was Buzz leveraging the situation.  It was basically Buzz saying listen, trust me or this thing won't work.  Hopefully that puts an end to the micromanagement.
Or it was all much ado about nothing, which is absolutely just as likely.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: timinatorx3 on March 26, 2012, 08:27:40 PM
Someone get Bruce Weber on the phone

Or Sean Payton
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 08:27:48 PM
I just landed in Dallas this morning at 10:30AM and there was no Buzz at the airport.  There was a slight hum but definitely not a Buzz.
great stuff.  let's get this thread back to being hilarious like it was last night.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 08:27:58 PM
Someone get Bruce Weber on the phone
Why?  Do you think he can talk some sense into Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZMovieman on March 26, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
The meeting is not about end of the year assessments.  

Wait. Is this a players only meeting or Buzz meeting with the players? Do we know what the meeting is about or when it was planned?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 26, 2012, 08:28:56 PM
This thread is too confusing. Posters I normally respect have been playing head games all day, and now I can't figure what to trust.

I'm just going to accept that whatever happens is outside my control…and keep posting so we break 100 pages.


1. There is a players meeting tomorrow that Buzz called late today.
2. It is not about end of the year assessments
3. I have been told by two different people it is *likely* to squash rumors, but they do not know 100 percent for sure.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: timinatorx3 on March 26, 2012, 08:29:02 PM
Why?  Do you think he can talk some sense into Fr. Pilarz and Larry Williams?

I hope so!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 08:29:35 PM
Wants to make sure they know about the online bake sale.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 08:29:42 PM
Maybe they all have to meet in person because Buzz's email is down from the deluge of emails from people responding to what was speculated on a message board?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 08:29:56 PM
I think this stuff is over.  Buzz is staying and I think we actually had an impact(those that emailed).  I suspect LW realized he had a crap storm on his hands and moved quickly to suppress it.  I also agree with whom every posted that this was Buzz leveraging the situation.  It was basically Buzz saying listen, trust me or this thing won't work. Hopefully that puts an end to the micromanagement.

Until the next off court incident. It's not going to end, no matter how powerful Buzz thinks he may be. One serious off court incident and he is gone. That can not be a comfortable working environment for Buzz. And that is still the heart of the matter. He and the team will be under the microscope no matter what the AD tells Buzz right now. There is no getting away from it. If you don't believe it just wait until the next incident happens, no matter how small it may seem. The Journal Sentinel will put it on front page no matter what.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: reinko on March 26, 2012, 08:31:26 PM
This thread.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/21d038m.gif)

Off to Mexico bitches.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 08:32:35 PM
Until the next off court incident. It's not going to end, no matter how powerful Buzz thinks he may be. One serious off court incident and he is gone. That can not be a comfortable working environment for Buzz. And that is still the heart of the matter. He and the team will be under the microscope no matter what the AD tells Buzz right now. There is no getting away from it. If you don't believe it just wait until the next incident happens, no matter how small it may seem. The Journal Sentinel will put it on front page no matter what.

Thanks for the entertainment.  How are things in Madison today.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LON on March 26, 2012, 08:33:22 PM
This thread.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/21d038m.gif)

Off to Mexico bitches.

Winter is coming, indeed.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 08:33:36 PM
Thanks for the entertainment.  How are things in Madison today.

sand meet head. You don't think Buzz is gone if there is one serious incident?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2012, 08:34:50 PM
If Sultan says it's true, I trust it. Hopefully that'll be the end of it. God bless the offseason, never a dull moment!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 08:35:18 PM
Is that the best you can do?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 26, 2012, 08:36:59 PM
Maybe they all have to meet in person because Buzz's email is down from the deluge of emails from people responding to what was speculated on a message board?

Maybe the Mods can spambot LWill and the Padre like they did for the voting for Spaniel's daughter as the athlete of the week?

btw, out here in the Central Valley and heard the guy in front of me at the In & Out drive through order the "Jerry Wainwright to MU Special"  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 08:37:23 PM
If Sultan says it's true, I trust it. Hopefully that'll be the end of it. God bless the offseason, never a dull moment!
And the offseason just started.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 08:37:38 PM
What if Buzz says he'll only deny SMU when we get to 100 pages ... unless he changes his mind first.  Then it will be our fault!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 26, 2012, 08:38:31 PM
Or it was all much ado about nothing, which is absolutely just as likely.

I think nothing is a possibility but not just as likely.  This thing doesn't get created out of whole cloth, so there has to be something to it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 08:38:37 PM
Is that the best you can do?

really? two months from now, bar fight or some type of assault happens and you think Buzz keeps his job? Wow, you think because Buzz wins this power play that there is no microscope on the team?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
really? two months from now, bar fight or some type of assault happens and you think Buzz keeps his job? Wow, you think because Buzz wins this power play that there is no microscope on the team?


Is Buzz responsible for what "adults" do even out of season?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 08:43:02 PM

Is Buzz responsible for what "adults" do even out of season?

oh yeah, i forgot, hide the women and children during the off season. I hear Tark the Shark is still alive, maybe we can get him.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 08:43:51 PM
really? two months from now, bar fight or some type of assault happens and you think Buzz keeps his job? Wow, you think because Buzz wins this power play that there is no microscope on the team?

Looking at your post history, I detect troll.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 08:44:06 PM

Is Buzz responsible for what "adults" do even out of season?

No, the students need to be aware that they aren't getting a free pass and they could have lost someone many of them refer to as a father figure partially due to the fact their alleged actions put a huge amount of pressure on Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 26, 2012, 08:44:41 PM
SMU17 and 18 are awfully quiet since this morning's chirping....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 08:45:35 PM

1. There is a players meeting tomorrow that Buzz called late today.
2. It is not about end of the year assessments
3. I have been told by two different people it is *likely* to squash rumors, but they do not know 100 percent for sure.

Again the basic facts, if true, are good.  

Buzz will be in Milwaukee again tomorrow (not Dallas)
He will be talking to his team (not SMU).

You don't announce your leaving like this.  So that the kids can twist your arm to stay.  You leave, make the announcement from Dallas and then after things die down in a few weeks, you call them.

As harsh as that sounds, this is the only way to do it.  This is not what is happening here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bob "Big Daddy" Wild on March 26, 2012, 08:46:05 PM
Winter is coming, indeed.

April 1st!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 08:46:13 PM
No, reinko... THIS is this thread.  Whole lot of Denethors, not a lot of Gandalfs.


http://www.youtube.com/v/yP_q4yrP4Hs&fs=1&source=uds
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2012, 08:47:37 PM
Maybe the Mods can spambot LWill and the Padre like they did for the voting for Spaniel's daughter as the athlete of the week?

btw, out here in the Central Valley and heard the guy in front of me at the In & Out drive through order the "Jerry Wainwright to MU Special"  

In & Out:  probably my biggest food disappointment ever.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 26, 2012, 08:48:55 PM
Until the next off court incident. It's not going to end, no matter how powerful Buzz thinks he may be. One serious off court incident and he is gone. That can not be a comfortable working environment for Buzz. And that is still the heart of the matter. He and the team will be under the microscope no matter what the AD tells Buzz right now. There is no getting away from it. If you don't believe it just wait until the next incident happens, no matter how small it may seem. The Journal Sentinel will put it on front page no matter what.

So what you're saying is the men's basketball program will henceforth answer directly to the Milwaukee Journal, channel 6 and local sport's talk radio. Basketball player under 21 has a drink or somebody jaywalks and it's curtains for the coach. If you're right and the administration is that eager to throw Buzz under the bus, I'd say his departure is inevitable, probably sooner rather than later. And if anyone thinks Illinois looks pathetic being turned down by multiple mid major coaches (they do), just wait. Nobody with an ounce of self worth will want to work here under this administration.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 26, 2012, 08:51:31 PM


You don't announce your leaving like this.  So that the kids can twist your arm to stay.  You leave, make the announcement from Dallas and then after things die down in a few weeks, you call them.



That's fresh out of the Crean playbook. Don't think that's how Buzz rolls.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 08:51:49 PM
So what you're saying is the men's basketball program will henceforth answer directly to the Milwaukee Journal, channel 6 and local sport's talk radio. Basketball player under 21 has a drink or somebody jaywalks and it's curtains for the coach. If you're right and the administration is that eager to throw Buzz under the bus, I'd say his departure is inevitable, probably sooner rather than later. And if anyone thinks Illinois looks pathetic being turned down by multiple mid major coaches (they do), just wait. Nobody with an ounce of self worth will want to work here under this administration.

Good up and comers would still take a job here, just not for very long.  We'd truly become a stepping stone job.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 08:51:54 PM
and on a lighter note, the USA U-23 soccer team faces a must win game against El Salvador in CONCACAF Olympic qualifying tonight.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2012, 08:51:58 PM
Oh damn, they're taking it outside closed doors now.    Hear there's a brass knuckle fight planned on 16th and Wisconsin between Pilarz and Buzz noon tomorrow.  

nope, an old school duel.  Buzz slapped Pilarz with the glove today.  Larry is Pilarz's second.  Buzz's second is a yet to be determined "insider."  Pilarz has the choice of weapons, but given the priesthood's aversion to shedding blood, expect something blunt.

The blunt object is bad news for Buzz, as he is a crack shot with the pistol, but Pilarz is a madman with the staff.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 26, 2012, 08:52:22 PM
In & Out:  probably my biggest disappointment ever.

"That's what she said"   ;D

(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/350x0/1/1/1140867.1152052856630.in_n_out2.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 08:53:04 PM
Ha-ha, lab-warrior - although one of the few things I didn't like about Return of the King was its portrayal of Denethor as compared to the books.
Another MU, wasn't one of the things we disliked about the way Crean left (sorry to open up old wounds) was that he in fact didn't tell the team in person until after they heard it on ESPN?  And how bad we thought that was?  So wouldn't want Buzz to do the same, although I'm opening he's meeting them to tell them he's not leaving.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 26, 2012, 08:53:37 PM
In & Out:  probably my biggest food disappointment ever.

Agreed. Way, way over rated.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 08:54:17 PM
What I meant was, I'm hoping he's meeting to tell them he's staying.  Can't type anymore.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 26, 2012, 08:56:26 PM
In & Out:  probably my biggest food disappointment ever.

Your wife is saying the same thing  ;D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 08:56:33 PM
What I meant was, I'm hoping he's meeting to tell them he's staying.  Can't type anymore.

Come on man, pull it together.  There is a lot of typing left in this thread if we are to meet our goal!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: chapman on March 26, 2012, 08:56:50 PM
really? two months from now, bar fight or some type of assault happens and you think Buzz keeps his job? Wow, you think because Buzz wins this power play that there is no microscope on the team?

It will all be ok.  So long as three of them don't show up to campus and spend their first week looting the freshman dorms.  That only makes a slight blurb on page 17 of the Urinel Scentinel.  Or maybe it's cause that was in Madison and if a player breaks wind in downtown Milwaukee it's front page material.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
Uh-oh, El Salvador is up 2-1.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 08:57:03 PM
Another MU, wasn't one of the things we disliked about the way Crean left (sorry to open up old wounds) was that he in fact didn't tell the team in person until after they heard it on ESPN?  And how bad we thought that was?  So wouldn't want Buzz to do the same, although I'm opening he's meeting them to tell them he's not leaving.

What it the proper way to leave?  Hold a meeting and say your leaving so half the team can beg you to stay and the other half give you the finger?  They are not going to order a cake and give him a good-bye party.

Sure we hate how Crean did it, unfortunately that is the only way to do it (save tell someone at the university to tell the team on his behalf before ESPN tells the world).
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2012, 08:57:15 PM
Agreed. Way, way over rated.

Add Shake Shack to that list.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: cheebs09 on March 26, 2012, 08:57:41 PM
I think the fact that the meeting is tomorrow is a great sign. I think if Buzz were leaving and at odds with the administration, he wouldn't trust them not to leak it. Also, there's just too big of a risk for it being leaked if you wait all night. The players are all on campus and most likely most of them are in study hall together at some point in the day. It's not hard to gather them up in order to announce you are leaving in order to beat the possible leak.

Like others have said, it might be a gather everyone together, squash the rumors, and maybe he and LW or Pilarz hammered out some things that he has to relay to the players as part of them reconciling some of their differences.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 09:00:04 PM
What it the proper way to leave?  Hold a meeting and say your leaving so half the team can beg you to stay and the other half give you the finger?  They are not going to order a cake and give him a good-bye party.

Sure we hate how Crean did it, unfortunately that is the only way to do it (save tell someone at the university to tell the team on his behalf before ESPN tells the world).
From all I have been told, Buzz saw the players reactions to how they heard about Crean's leaving and would do all he could not to repeat that. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 09:00:39 PM
Uh-oh, El Salvador is up 2-1.

yeah, the last ten minutes of the half the US looked totally inept on defense. The second half should be wide open. A draw does the US no good. They will be putting a lot of people forward.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 09:01:06 PM
Also, you don't want to breathlessly respond to every rumor by holding a meeting tonight.  They do you have to hold a meeting tomorrow night to deny Kansas State?  You meet only when the talk rises to a certain level and do it in a deliberate very business-like way.  Not a crisis like meeting at 10:30 PM.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 09:01:25 PM
I think the fact that the meeting is tomorrow is a great sign. I think if Buzz were leaving and at odds with the administration, he wouldn't trust them not to leak it. Also, there's just too big of a risk for it being leaked if you wait all night. The players are all on campus and most likely most of them are in study hall together at some point in the day. It's not hard to gather them up in order to announce you are leaving in order to beat the possible leak.

Like others have said, it might be a gather everyone together, squash the rumors, and maybe he and LW or Pilarz hammered out some things that he has to relay to the players as part of them reconciling some of their differences.


Maybe they'll all sing Kumbaya.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Wareagle on March 26, 2012, 09:02:20 PM
Cripes, we are up to 47 pages? SMU went 13-19 this year.  Get a grip.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 09:03:21 PM
From all I have been told, Buzz saw the players reactions to how they heard about Crean's leaving and would do all he could not to repeat that. 


Anyone know how he told his players in New Orleans that he was bolting?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 09:03:32 PM

Maybe they'll all sing Kumbaya.

Thanks, now in addition to this stupid thread, I have that ringing through my mind as well!  >:(
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 09:04:42 PM
Thanks, now in addition to this stupid thread, I have that ringing through my mind as well!  >:(

All together now...

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbayah

Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 09:05:13 PM
Uh-oh, El Salvador is up 2-1.

That has me really concerned right now. We had things well in hand until they scored 2 in 2 minutes. Need to regain control in the second half if the USA is going to play in London.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 09:05:41 PM
We have a goal.  Doesn't matter what SMU's record was.
Come on USA - need some scoring.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 26, 2012, 09:06:27 PM
Meeting tomorrow?  Now I'm really worried!  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 26, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
Cripes, we are up to 47 pages? SMU went 13-19 this year.  Get a grip.

And lost a game at home 47-28....in basketball...to UAB.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 09:07:55 PM
Crickets on the ponyfan.com board.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 09:08:13 PM
That has me really concerned right now. We had things well in hand until they scored 2 in 2 minutes. Need to regain control in the second half if the USA is going to play in London.

In addition to the defense stinking the midfield has been pathetic. Our offense consists of long balls from the back. Should be an interesting second half. Could sure use Juan Agudelo now
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 09:09:31 PM
Every time I type SMU on my phone it comes out SMUrf.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 26, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
All together now...

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbayah

Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
. Is that the Guadalcanal Diary version?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 09:15:26 PM
. Is that the Guadalcanal Diary version?

Peter Paul and Mary version
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Daniel on March 26, 2012, 09:15:59 PM
Is there really a team meeting scheduled for tomorrow and this confirmed anywhere?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nyg on March 26, 2012, 09:17:06 PM
Is there really a team meeting scheduled for tomorrow and this confirmed anywhere?

I have instructed Jack Bauer to have Chloe hack Buzz's Iphone.  Will provide results shortly.......
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 09:17:23 PM
Every time I type SMU on my phone it comes out SMUrf.

Could be worse, like if it speller Murffries
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 09:18:25 PM
I have instructed Jack Bauer to have Chloe hack Buzz's Iphone.  Will provide results shortly.......

Its coming from Sultan, I respect his info.  You should too.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 09:19:11 PM
Is there really a team meeting scheduled for tomorrow and this confirmed anywhere?
Yes, by Sultan
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Daniel on March 26, 2012, 09:19:43 PM
Its coming from Sultan, I respect his info.  You should too.

OK thanks - interesting scenario.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Da 'Lanche on March 26, 2012, 09:20:02 PM
God I'm glad I went to bed last night at about page 28....I swear if someone learned that Buzz took his morning dump, someone with "insider alum donor" information would put out wild speculation that he was signifying what he thinks of the new MU administration and if he flushed twice it meant he was going to take two assistant coaches with him to his next gig.

A coach calling a players only meeting...wow....and at the end of the season?   I would think he would invite the whole university. How suspicious.   Maybe he is bringing cake to celebrate Jae's 2nd team all american honors...

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 26, 2012, 09:20:46 PM
Maybe they're having a weenie roast?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 09:22:29 PM
God I'm glad I went to bed last night at about page 28....I swear if someone learned that Buzz took his morning dump, someone with "insider alum donor" information would put out wild speculation that he was signifying what he thinks of the new MU administration and if he flushed twice it meant he was going to take two assistant coaches with him to his next gig.



Wait!  Did that happen??  Why wasn't it reported until now??
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 09:24:02 PM
In addition to the defense stinking the midfield has been pathetic. Our offense consists of long balls from the back. Should be an interesting second half. Could sure use Juan Agudelo now

Adu nearly had a screamer there...we're looking the better side, but need to put a couple in the back of the net. The Olympics will suck ass if the US team isn't there.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 26, 2012, 09:25:12 PM
Or it was all much ado about nothing, which is absolutely just as likely.

No, "it" was something. Remember, Marquette granted SMU permission to speak with Buzz. That doesn't happen unless Buzz wanted to talk to SMU. If Buzz wasn't interested in talking, he could have just told MU to tell SMU thanks but no thanks.

His reason for wanting to talk, though, was to send a message. Not because he wanted to coach a mid-level C-USA team.

As a competitive person and hot head, I get it. As a Marquette fan I feel the position of Marquette HC deserves more respect.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
Adu nearly had a screamer there...we're looking the better side, but need to put a couple in the back of the net. The Olympics will suck ass if the US team isn't there.

Helluva save by Cuellar on that one
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 09:27:39 PM

1. There is a players meeting tomorrow that Buzz called late today.
2. It is not about end of the year assessments
3. I have been told by two different people it is *likely* to squash rumors, but they do not know 100 percent for sure.

Will they have kringles at the meeting?

Seriously, if buzz had an offer, it would be leaked by now.  Meeting is probably about (1) I'm not going anywhere, and (2) Be good in the off season, or else...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 09:29:54 PM

Maybe they'll all sing Kumbaya.

Right up there with YMCA.  And these guys

(http://www.jfxonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/nkotb.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 09:30:36 PM
Adu nearly had a screamer there...we're looking the better side, but need to put a couple in the back of the net. The Olympics will suck ass if the US team isn't there.

and now the time wasting starts by el salvador
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: forgetful on March 26, 2012, 09:30:46 PM
I'll admit that all the quietness on all fronts and the scheduled meeting "that we shouldn't worry about" has me worried.  As others have pointed out, Buzz will go out of his way to make sure his players here anything from him first.  

I could envision that including telling another school, that he needs 1 day to iron everything out and that if any word that he has accepted/will accept is leaked he will change his mind.

100 pages?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 09:32:07 PM
Boyd goal!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 26, 2012, 09:33:39 PM
That's fresh out of the Crean playbook. Don't think that's how Buzz rolls.

Like most coaches in high level athletics, Buzz and TC have more in common than he does with the average fan. Have you ever met Buzz in person? I like him a lot, but he is much more cocky in person. I don't mean that to sound harsh, I like Buzz, but he walks the fine line between confident and cocky. He is nowhere near the "humble, down to earth coach from Texas who likes sweet tea" he is often portrayed as. I don't mean any of this as a criticism. I suppose I'm just saying that Buzz, like a lot of successful and powerful people, is much more complicated in person than some of these press reports make him out to be.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 09:34:22 PM
and now the time wasting starts by el salvador

Back on level terms...here's hoping El Salvador pushes to win the group.

And there's 3!!! Wooooo USA!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
Come one guys!  Hold em now and keep scoring!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Big Papi on March 26, 2012, 09:35:04 PM
USA USA USA.  Up 3-2
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 09:35:09 PM
Will they have kringles at the meeting?

Seriously, if buzz had an offer, it would be leaked by now.  Meeting is probably about (1) I'm not going anywhere, and (2) Be good in the off season, or else...

There was a deal offered reported by an actual news organization, I don't know if it was made public though.  It's on the premium scout board so I don't want to post all of the details out of respect.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 09:35:25 PM
I'll admit that all the quietness on all fronts and the scheduled meeting "that we shouldn't worry about" has me worried.  As others have pointed out, Buzz will go out of his way to make sure his players here anything from him first.  

I could envision that including telling another school, that he needs 1 day to iron everything out and that if any word that he has accepted/will accept is leaked he will change his mind.

100 pages?

goddammit, someone go ring his door bell and ask him.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 09:35:38 PM
wow a third one!!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 09:36:12 PM
I really can't type tonight.  Meant, Come on guys..
At least I'm adding posts to the goal.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 09:36:21 PM
I think this stuff is over.  Buzz is staying and I think we actually had an impact(those that emailed).  I suspect LW realized he had a crap storm on his hands and moved quickly to suppress it.  I also agree with whom every posted that this was Buzz leveraging the situation.  It was basically Buzz saying listen, trust me or this thing won't work.  Hopefully that puts an end to the micromanagement.

If you are right, Larry Williams and the entire athletic department should be fired.

Think about what you are saying: The athletic director didn't know the head coach of his basketball team was extremely valuable until you emailed to tell him.

The 14 wins in Big East play weren't enough? The sweet 16 appearance wasn't enough? The high attendance the past 4 years didn't do it? It was the emails? The emails are what did it?!!

No. Way. I'm sorry. No.

If Larry and Pilarz ended up losing Buzz... they know the crapstorm they were in for. These are not stupid guys.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 09:36:46 PM
No, "it" was something. Remember, Marquette granted SMU permission to speak with Buzz. That doesn't happen unless Buzz wanted to talk to SMU. If Buzz wasn't interested in talking, he could have just told MU to tell SMU thanks but no thanks.

His reason for wanting to talk, though, was to send a message. Not because he wanted to coach a mid-level C-USA team.

As a competitive person and hot head, I get it. As a Marquette fan I feel the position of Marquette HC deserves more respect.

This. Pilarz and LW should realize that keeping 13+ 18-22 yr olds is much harder than it looks. However, what I think happens now is that the kids will have much harsher punishments if they get trouble. I just hope their assessments aren't so black and white with players. Getting caught in a bar NOT drinking is not the same as rape allegations, that and these players can often be targets at many area places.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU B2002 on March 26, 2012, 09:37:06 PM
Someone get Bruce Weber on the phone

If negotiations are to be done over the phone, wouldn't Kelvin Sampson be a better choice?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 26, 2012, 09:37:53 PM
There was a deal offered reported by an actual news organization, I don't know if it was made public though.  It's on the premium scout board so I don't want to post all of the details out of respect.

If the deal is being reported by an actual news organization, just tell us the news organization, we can find it
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Jam Chowder on March 26, 2012, 09:38:51 PM
Boyd goal!!!

Is this on tv?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 09:40:04 PM
Is this on tv?

Universal network
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 26, 2012, 09:40:12 PM
I emailed Larry, Buzz, and Pilarz to see if they think the Undertaker can improve to 20-0 this Sunday. I'll let you guys know what they respond with.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 09:40:22 PM
Is this on tv?

Yeah, where is this thing playing? I have actually looked.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TX_AZ_Warrior on March 26, 2012, 09:40:41 PM
u
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2012, 09:41:20 PM
I think I'd rather have buzz leave than have to read about soccer.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TX_AZ_Warrior on March 26, 2012, 09:41:35 PM
Bump.  There I just added more value than 90% of what is on this thread.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 26, 2012, 09:41:44 PM
I think I'd rather have buzz leave than have to read about soccer.

+1
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dutch on March 26, 2012, 09:41:52 PM
No, "it" was something. Remember, Marquette granted SMU permission to speak with Buzz. That doesn't happen unless Buzz wanted to talk to SMU. If Buzz wasn't interested in talking, he could have just told MU to tell SMU thanks but no thanks.

His reason for wanting to talk, though, was to send a message. Not because he wanted to coach a mid-level C-USA team.

As a competitive person and hot head, I get it. As a Marquette fan I feel the position of Marquette HC deserves more respect.

Hey, I'm a casual SMU basketball fan (diehard football).  Since hoops is all we have to talk about right now, i wanted to correct you on something.  SMU is NOT a mid-level CUSA team.  we're a bottom barrel CUSA basketball team.

oh, and here's an open invitation to our future Big East conference mates to come check out www.countingposts.com (http://www.countingposts.com) the newest SMU fan message board.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 09:42:05 PM


If Larry and Pilarz ended up losing Buzz... they know the crapstorm they were in for. These are not stupid guys.  

Does anyone actually believe they would care what students/alumni/fans think?  We don't sign their paychecks.  We can't do anything to seriously affect their job security.  They can pretty much do damn well as they please, whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Big Papi on March 26, 2012, 09:42:15 PM
Yeah, where is this thing playing? I have actually looked.

I am watching it here  http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/115756/1/watch-usa-vs-el-salvador-%5Bu23%5D.html

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 09:44:14 PM
I am watching it here  http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/115756/1/watch-usa-vs-el-salvador-%5Bu23%5D.html



Thanks!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 09:44:29 PM
If the deal is being reported by an actual news organization, just tell us the news organization, we can find it

Lol! Fair, should have done that from the get go.  WTMJ.  They also said he is "expected" to refuse the offer.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 09:44:50 PM
Adu is playing the best ive seen him play in awhile
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 26, 2012, 09:45:51 PM
Guys, find a new thread for the soccer crap stuff.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 26, 2012, 09:47:20 PM
Lol! Fair, should have done that from the get go.  WTMJ.  They also said he is "expected" to refuse the offer.

Buzz's reaction to the smu contract.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF8GhC-T_Mo
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 09:47:53 PM
Guys, find a new thread for the soccer crap stuff.

But... isn't this a thread built upon crap, piled with more crap, and topped off with a SMU17/18 cherry of crap?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 26, 2012, 09:48:07 PM
I think this stuff is over.  Buzz is staying and I think we actually had an impact(those that emailed).  I suspect LW realized he had a crap storm on his hands and moved quickly to suppress it.  I also agree with whom every posted that this was Buzz leveraging the situation.  It was basically Buzz saying listen, trust me or this thing won't work.  Hopefully that puts an end to the micromanagement.

No.  Just, no.  No you didn't.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TX_AZ_Warrior on March 26, 2012, 09:48:23 PM
Rumor has it that Mrs. Williams was seen shopping at the SMU book store buying SMU apparrel.  I heard this from my kids school teacher who's friend's uncle saw the whole transaction.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 09:48:30 PM
Guys, find a new thread for the soccer crap stuff.

Ya know, I don't think there needs to be any other thread. Everything seems to fit in here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 26, 2012, 09:49:33 PM
Guys, find a new thread for the soccer crap stuff.
thanks topper.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 09:50:53 PM
Lol! Fair, should have done that from the get go.  WTMJ.  They also said he is "expected" to refuse the offer.

Not seeing it on what passes as their website...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 09:51:33 PM
I thought this was an all-purpose thread.
Besides, isn't the real purpose of tomorrow's meeting to discuss tonight's game?  Now the secret is out.......
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 26, 2012, 09:52:09 PM
Breaking news:  SMU is sending the big guns up to Milwaukee to negogiate the contract

(http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/rich-texan-the-simpsons.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 09:52:31 PM
Ya know, I don't think there needs to be any other thread. Everything seems to fit in here.

That was my thought, especially so close to full time.

OT: great save by Johnson there!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 09:52:55 PM
Not seeing it on what passes as their website...

Like I said, info came from someone else.  The offer was very impressive FWIW.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 09:53:55 PM
Breaking news:  SMU is sending the big guns up to Milwaukee to negogiate the contract

(http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/rich-texan-the-simpsons.jpg)

Why did this take so long? Well done.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dutch on March 26, 2012, 09:56:01 PM
Breaking news:  SMU is sending the big guns up to Milwaukee to negogiate the contract

(http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/rich-texan-the-simpsons.jpg)

you guys have us figured out finally.  funny thing is, it's not far from the truth if you met some of our big-time boosters.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 26, 2012, 09:56:29 PM
The other board mentions a JS article where the current AD was critical of Buzz.  If accurate, can anyone provide a link, or a quote from that article?  Thanks in advance.

A hypersensitive overblown reaction by fans. I had to read it 3 times and still come to the same conclusion.  That's it?  What the hell are people complaining about.

http://m.jsonline.com/more/sports/goldeneagles/141323703.htm
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 09:57:11 PM
Guys, find a new thread for the soccer crap stuff.

Let the kids play, mom!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: chapman on March 26, 2012, 09:59:04 PM
Does anyone actually believe they would care what students/alumni/fans think?  We don't sign their paychecks.  We can't do anything to seriously affect their job security.  They can pretty much do damn well as they please, whether we like it or not.

They should certainly care.  Those of us who buy tickets and sign an annual paycheck to the school do our part in signing their paycheck.  Getting a couple hundred messages urging them to a certain course of action is something they would be foolish to ignore.  The phone calls they probably got would certainly do more, since those donors give more money than the scores of e-mailers.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
Hey Dutch, saw your comment on your site about us being up to 49 pages talking about you guys talking to buzz.  To be honest, a good portion of those 49 pages are about kringles.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 10:00:47 PM
Does anyone actually believe they would care what students/alumni/fans think?  We don't sign their paychecks.  We can't do anything to seriously affect their job security.  They can pretty much do damn well as they please, whether we like it or not.

All of the people that emailed in today obviously think they care.

I'm all for people "being heard", but if our AD needed a bunch of emails to see that Buzz is valuable, he's an absolute failure as a employee and as a person.

Emails should not be how the AD does his job.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 10:01:23 PM
Oh no!!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 10:02:03 PM
I don't believe what I just saw!  Please tell me that didn't happen.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 10:02:42 PM
Hey Dutch, saw your comment on your site about us being up to 49 pages talking about you guys talking to buzz.  To be honest, a good portion of those 49 pages are about kringles.

Probably only 10 or so.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dbwarriors on March 26, 2012, 10:03:57 PM
From Gardner's twitter a few minutes ago: "Frustrated and mad"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dutch on March 26, 2012, 10:04:05 PM
Hey Dutch, saw your comment on your site about us being up to 49 pages talking about you guys talking to buzz.  To be honest, a good portion of those 49 pages are about kringles.

starting to pick up on that as i read back through this.  

either way, this is exciting for us to be talking to/about a coach like Buzz.  We know what it's like too as June Jones, our football HC, flirted with an offer from Arizona St. in December.  it's painful and you feel betrayed, even if they stay.

looking forward to some fun/friendly banter once we're conference mates come 2013.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 10:04:17 PM
They should certainly care.  Those of us who buy tickets and sign an annual paycheck to the school do our part in signing their paycheck.  Getting a couple hundred messages urging them to a certain course of action is something they would be foolish to ignore.  The phone calls they probably got would certainly do more, since those donors give more money than the scores of e-mailers.

They SHOULD care, but do they?  How many thousands of kids go/have gone to MU?  They got a couple hundred emails.  Big deal.  Did I email them?  Damn right.  Do I think it made a difference.  Not so sure.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 10:04:33 PM
I don't believe what I just saw!  Please tell me that didn't happen.

wow what a flub
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2012, 10:04:58 PM
From Gardner's twitter a few minutes ago: "Frustrated and mad"

Big SHEESH didn't want Jeter to go to Miss St.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 10:05:49 PM
They should certainly care.  Those of us who buy tickets and sign an annual paycheck to the school do our part in signing their paycheck.  Getting a couple hundred messages urging them to a certain course of action is something they would be foolish to ignore.  The phone calls they probably got would certainly do more, since those donors give more money than the scores of e-mailers.

No. Just no.

Larry far closer to the program day to day. We may not like the decisions he makes, but on some level we have to trust him. He should NOT be doing his job based upon fan emails. We don't know 99% of what goes on at that program. We just don't.

Ted Thompson does not read fan emails to know what player personnel decisions to make.

These guys can't operate like that.

Buzz doesn't consult MUScoop to determine the starting line-up.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 10:07:04 PM
Ted Thompson sucks and is lucky he hit the jackpot with McCarthy.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 26, 2012, 10:07:49 PM
Ted Thompson sucks and is lucky he hit the jackpot with McCarthy Rodgers.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 10:08:42 PM
I don't believe what I just saw!  Please tell me that didn't happen.

Utter heartbreak. I'm in shock.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Da 'Lanche on March 26, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
From Gardner's twitter a few minutes ago: "Frustrated and mad"
If you get the sporting news app. on the Ipad (or iphone) it lists all the players tweets in real time....Gardner and Juan Anderson tweet non-stop about anything and everything....are you really reading into his tweets that he is frustrated and mad about Buzz leaving?  Really?  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 26, 2012, 10:08:51 PM
All of the people that emailed in today obviously think they care.

I'm all for people "being heard", but if our AD needed a bunch of emails to see that Buzz is valuable, he's an absolute failure as a employee and as a person.

Emails should not be how the AD does his job.


+1
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 10:09:16 PM
Utter heartbreak. I'm in shock.

How did El Salvador not get red carded for clotheslining Boyd
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 10:09:27 PM
All of the people that emailed in today obviously think they care.

I'm all for people "being heard", but if our AD needed a bunch of emails to see that Buzz is valuable, he's an absolute failure as a employee and as a person.

Emails should not be how the AD does his job.

What if all he heard prior to this week were the alums who complained?  LW has not been here all that long.  I doubt, until recently, those who love Buzz would have been bending his ear.  Those that are bothered by the articles and charges of last summer, the JUCO's (just because they are JUCO's), the fact that basketball get's so much attention ... are likely the ones that he has heard from.  It may be a small smattering in the overall universe, but if that is all he heard, he may think they are reflective of the MU community.

So, the emails may have influenced him some.  Maybe not, but I suspect he has heard from the pro Buzz crowd loud and clear during the NCAA run and this week.  Prior to Walker's article on LW, I would not have given two thoughts about making sure LW knows how important Buzz is.  That article changed things.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 26, 2012, 10:09:43 PM
I will say this, they will have quite the famous alumni thread

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Adrenalynn_2010.jpg/220px-Adrenalynn_2010.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Kathy_Bates_2006.jpg/220px-Kathy_Bates_2006.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c1/Hacksaw_jim_duggan_2011.PNG/220px-Hacksaw_jim_duggan_2011.PNG)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Kourtney_Kardashian_2_2009.jpg/200px-Kourtney_Kardashian_2_2009.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Lauren_Graham%2C_2008_appearance_%28crop%29.jpg/220px-Lauren_Graham%2C_2008_appearance_%28crop%29.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Laura_Bush_portrait.jpg/220px-Laura_Bush_portrait.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 26, 2012, 10:10:12 PM
theres a ton more
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 10:10:48 PM
I don't know, when McCarthy's system allows Friggin Flynn to throw 6 td's.

Either way, Thompson's crap defenses have been crap when Jim Lovat is our S&C guy.   Bring back Redding to put em back on the horse steroids.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 10:11:02 PM
A Kardashian?!?!  They lose all cred.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 26, 2012, 10:11:32 PM
From Gardner's twitter a few minutes ago: "Frustrated and mad"

Maybe he is reading this thread and doesn't like soccer either.
Title: Buzz and the "better" jobs out there
Post by: MU82 on March 26, 2012, 10:11:43 PM
Frank Martin just decided to go from Kansas State to South Carolina. By any measure, South Carolina is a considerably worse college basketball job.

It hasn't been truly competitive for eons and it is a football school. No basketball coach there will ever be in Steve Spurrier's stratosphere.

K-State, meanwhile, has been an extremely good program, with a Final Four appearance under Kruger and a deep run just a couple years ago under Martin. It is a basketball school.

So maybe it was about money and only about money. Or Martin just felt it was time for a change. Or Martin didn't get along with administration. Or Martin prefers a more moderate climate. Or Martin's family hates Manhattan, Kan. Or ...

That's why we're needlessly beating our heads against the wall trying to figure out what's going on in Buzz's head. Marquette is as good as all but a dozen or so jobs out there, but that doesn't mean he won't be able to justify leaving if that's what he really wants to do. We can wail, "But Marquette is a better job than Wherever U." And even though we'd be right, it doesn't mean Buzz will agree.

Having said all that, I still think Buzz is staying. No claims of inside info. Just a feeling based on reading between the lines of stuff he's said, his work on the recruiting trail, the general impression that he feels he has unfinished business at Marquette, etc.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 10:11:44 PM
How did El Salvador not get red carded for clotheslining Boyd

I don't know...when he got up with a face full of blood, I figured there had to be a red. Then when they signaled for 5 minutes...seriously?

Still...if Shea clears it, the game was over.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 26, 2012, 10:12:19 PM
But... isn't this a thread built upon crap, piled with more crap, and topped off with a SMU17/18 cherry of crap?

Well, I agree, but you gotta draw the crap line somewhere.  Soccer is over that line.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ATWizJr on March 26, 2012, 10:12:41 PM
wow what a flub
[/quote.  Simple save. Keeper boots it in extra time. No Olympics for us?  Are we out?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 26, 2012, 10:13:45 PM
What if all he heard prior to this week were the alums who complained?  LW has not been here all that long.  I doubt, until recently, those who love Buzz would have been bending his ear.  Those that are bothered by the articles and charges of last summer, the JUCO's (just because they are JUCO's), the fact that basketball get's so much attention ... are likely the ones that he has heard from.  It may be a small smattering in the overall universe, but if that is all he heard, he may think they are reflective of the MU community.

So, the emails may have influenced him some.  Maybe not, but I suspect he has heard from the pro Buzz crowd loud and clear during the NCAA run and this week.  Prior to Walker's article on LW, I would not have given two thoughts about making sure LW knows how important Buzz is.  That article changed things.

Right. Larry shouldn't listen to a bunch of complainers either.

These guys get paid VERY well to make rational, long term decisions for MU.

Emails are nice, and they can't hurt. But, lets not overstate it.

These guys shouldn't be listening to the whims of the average internet dork. Have you seen this place after a loss???
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 26, 2012, 10:14:12 PM
Well, I agree, but you gotta draw the crap line somewhere.  Soccer is over that line.

You are a communist
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Big Papi on March 26, 2012, 10:15:04 PM
wow what a flub
[/quote.  Simple save. Keeper boots it in extra time. No Olympics for us?  Are we out?

Yup.  We are done.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: National Champs on March 26, 2012, 10:15:30 PM
TWITTTTTTTTERRRRRR TRACCCKKKKKKKERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Davante' Gardner is going to bed early. What could this mean?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 10:15:36 PM
We've had a good run in decision making with Cords and Cottingham but if you look around there are a lot of dumb AD's.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 10:16:08 PM
Davante' Gardner is going to bed early. What could this mean?

That he's tired?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 10:16:59 PM
That he's tired?

He tried to read all 52 pages of bs.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUDPT on March 26, 2012, 10:17:49 PM
Wait, now this is about the US- El Salvador U-23 Olympic Qualifier Soccer Game?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 10:18:31 PM
Wait, now this is about the US- El Salvador U-23 Olympic Qualifier Soccer Game?

Pay no attention to the guys behind the monitor...!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 26, 2012, 10:18:42 PM
Wait, now this is about the US- El Salvador U-23 Olympic Qualifier Soccer Game?

it's about everything man
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 10:19:15 PM
Well, at the moment it's about Gardner's bedtime.  It can be about whatever you want it to be.
Still can't believe they lost that match.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 26, 2012, 10:19:58 PM
This thread is about America
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 10:20:14 PM
How do you get all the salsa out of a Pace jar?   I don't want to use a knife, it just doesn't seem right.   No spoon is long enough.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ATWizJr on March 26, 2012, 10:20:28 PM
Yup.  We are done.
[/quote.  Arrrgghhh! WTF? Easy fracking save. Ugghh!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 10:20:35 PM
Wait, now this is about the US- El Salvador U-23 Olympic Qualifier Soccer Game?

Where've you been?  C'mon, keep up!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 10:20:47 PM
This thread is about Rick James.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 10:21:44 PM
Will Corey's brother be leaking any news to ESPN before the meeting?

No but her dad who is on the MU payroll might! Oh, wait...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 10:22:34 PM
How do you get all the salsa out of a Pace jar?   I don't want to use a knife, it just doesn't seem right.   No spoon is long enough.

Use your tongue.  Or if you're lucky, your gf's tongue.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Jam Chowder on March 26, 2012, 10:22:42 PM
This thread is about America

(http://cdn.styleforum.net/b/b2/b221f90c_MURICA.jpeg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TX_AZ_Warrior on March 26, 2012, 10:23:27 PM
How do you get all the salsa out of a Pace jar?   I don't want to use a knife, it just doesn't seem right.   No spoon is long enough.

Use one of these.  

http://www.amazon.com/TEAPOT-ICED-SPOONS-WITH-CRYSTAL/dp/B001FYWETK/ref=sr_1_6?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1332818517&sr=1-6

I'm sure Buzz has plenty of them around from his sweat sweet tea.  Plenty of them around the SMU Campus to choose from.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TX_AZ_Warrior on March 26, 2012, 10:25:36 PM
Use one of these.  

http://www.amazon.com/TEAPOT-ICED-SPOONS-WITH-CRYSTAL/dp/B001FYWETK/ref=sr_1_6?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1332818517&sr=1-6

I'm sure Buzz has plenty of them around from his sweat tea.  Plenty of them around the SMU Campus to choose from.

Even better,  its longer.  12"

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Stainless-Steel-Ice-Spoon/dp/B0040B8JUI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hg_7
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU B2002 on March 26, 2012, 10:25:47 PM
Sweat Tea? 

Gross.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
Sweat Tea? 

Gross.

Isn't that spelled "Groce"?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 26, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
You are a communist

Soccer?  Really? Turn in your man card.   ;D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 10:28:46 PM
TWITTTTTTTTERRRRRR TRACCCKKKKKKKERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Davante' Gardner is going to bed early. What could this mean?

The sidescroll is just too much.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 10:30:35 PM
A Kardashian?!?!  They lose all cred.

Gained it all back with Hacksaw.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 10:33:55 PM
Co-worker just texted me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Williams)

Who could have thunk Wikipedia beat the world to the news.  Bastard kids

Edit: Edited back to original.  Wikipedia needs to make up its damn mind.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 10:36:39 PM
From Sheeesh's twitter: "stuff ain't goin like I thought it was. I don't know what's wrong or what's going on"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TX_AZ_Warrior on March 26, 2012, 10:37:47 PM
Co-worker just texted me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Williams)

Who could have thunk Wikipedia beat the world to the news.  Bastard kids

Edit: Edited back to original.  Wikipedia needs to make up its damn mind.

That should add about 10 pages.  I saw the SMU reference as well.  That was quickly changed.  I should have captured it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 10:38:05 PM
From Sheeesh's twitter: "stuff ain't goin like I thought it was. I don't know what's wrong or what's going on"

Unless Buzz is a girl, then it is just girl problems.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 10:39:10 PM
That should add about 10 pages.  I saw the SMU reference as well.  That was quickly changed.  I should have captured it.

I screen shot it if you want it.  Gotta love the iPad.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 10:39:16 PM
Co-worker just texted me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Williams)

Who could have thunk Wikipedia beat the world to the news.  Bastard kids

Edit: Edited back to original.  Wikipedia needs to make up its damn mind.

7 years at $19m ain't gittin er done, SMU fellas.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU B2002 on March 26, 2012, 10:39:41 PM
Its bout a girl.

Twitttttttta. Tracker.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 26, 2012, 10:40:02 PM
followed by "She perfect but idk what's goin on"

Big Sheesh is going to bed early and mad and frustrated cause he's got lady problems...



From Sheeesh's twitter: "stuff ain't goin like I thought it was. I don't know what's wrong or what's going on"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 10:40:49 PM
We should help him with his girl problems and offer ideas.  I mean where else is this thread suppose to go?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Les Nessman on March 26, 2012, 10:41:07 PM
I screen shot it if you want it.  Gotta love the iPad.

Please do.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 10:41:14 PM
Even better,  its longer.  12"

http://www.amazon.com/Long-Stainless-Steel-Ice-Spoon/dp/B0040B8JUI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hg_7

(http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/2010/11/30/gif_clint_yes350.gif)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 10:41:24 PM
followed by "She perfect but idk what's goin on"

Big Sheesh is going to bed early and mad and frustrated cause he's got lady problems...




now I got Jay Z going through my head...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 10:41:46 PM
Does not sound like Davante  is chillen doe.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 26, 2012, 10:41:48 PM
That should add about 10 pages.  I saw the SMU reference as well.  That was quickly changed.  I should have captured it.

Uhh, its Wikipedia. Every change is recorded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buzz_Williams&diff=484121960&oldid=484121818
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 10:43:02 PM
Please do.

Just sent it
Title: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: 5993mcguirm on March 26, 2012, 10:43:03 PM
As you may be able to tell, I never post here. 

However, I read this board on a daily basis, and have kept very close attention to the recent Buzz rumors.  I made a call to a source I have within the athletic department and have been told the following:
1) the meeting tomorrow is confirmed.
2) there is a good chance that tomorrow will be the day in which Marquette University decides to distance themselves from Coach Williams.
3) Apparently, the powers that be, feel like the recent "black eyes" on the program (the sexual assault case(s) primarily) are not worth keeping the coach.
4) The powers that be would like to do a "house cleaning" and feel like now is the opportunity for both sides to mutually agree to part ways.

Take this however you'd like- I only post this because I feel it's relevant and not B.S.

I really hope this turns out to be nothing more than a garbage rumor, and vow to never post again if that is the case.

I PRAY THAT I NEVER POST ON THIS BOARD AGAIN!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: National Champs on March 26, 2012, 10:43:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/wqwiA.gif)

Dodged a bullet fellas!
Davante's having girl problems

"Stuff ain't goin like I though it was, idk what's goin on or what's wrong"
"She perfect but idk what's goin on"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 10:43:40 PM
Even better,  its longer.  12"

12" is long??
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TX_AZ_Warrior on March 26, 2012, 10:43:54 PM
We should help him with his girl problems and offer ideas.  I mean where else is this thread suppose to go?

Certainly can't go downhill from here.  Oh wait, it's the internet, its the internet.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TX_AZ_Warrior on March 26, 2012, 10:45:01 PM
12" is long??

Only when talking about spoons.
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: The Process on March 26, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
did they bring the obnoxious lady from Clean House with them...?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 10:46:15 PM
"Poor boys...they still measure in inches"

Sgt Nick Penis
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: MU B2002 on March 26, 2012, 10:46:59 PM
"I swear, I am not trolling."  You forgot that part.
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 26, 2012, 10:47:44 PM
There's no meeting tomorrow.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2012, 10:47:52 PM
Okay, enough - I'm out of here now.
And you guys thought talking soccer was crap.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 10:49:40 PM
What is that?
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: strotty on March 26, 2012, 10:49:59 PM
Here's my take on people who use have "sources" they can't name.

1) Chances are, if you can't post the person's name, you aren't supposed to be putting it on the internet for thousands to read.

2) If you can't post the source's name, you really hold no credibility.

Those two together really make this hard to believe.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 10:51:06 PM
The dilemma, is that Rachel McAdams or a body double?   I want to believe it's McAdams.
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: Benny B on March 26, 2012, 10:53:43 PM
Here's my take on people who use have "sources" they can't name.

1) Chances are, if you can't post the person's name, you aren't supposed to be putting it on the internet for thousands to read.

2) If you can't post the source's name, you really hold no credibility.

Those two together really make this hard to believe.

Forget it Strotty... you can't reason with idiots who have "sources."  Your type of logic and sense aren't welcome around here.
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 10:54:09 PM
Here's my take on people who use have "sources" they can't name.

1) Chances are, if you can't post the person's name, you aren't supposed to be putting it on the internet for thousands to read.

2) If you can't post the source's name, you really hold no credibility.

Those two together really make this hard to believe.

I know it's a vastly different level of intrigue, but where would our country be without Deep Throat? There is a value to anonymous sources, and there is a very valid reason for those that use them to protect them, as well as there being a reason for those that use them to disclose the information they glean from them with the public.

But as far as someone with 2 posts to sign on just to post that and have any level of credibility? I find that incredibly unlikely. Especially when the person's other post was this:

You're all a bunch of f-ing losers who waste your time writing nonesense and then responding to each others' nonesense.  I do appreciate it, as it gives me something to read from time to time.  P.S- Wade is a joke anyways.  He's a little crybaby who claims injury whenever relevant. He's dead to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TqG0V0AAOY&feature=fvst


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 10:55:41 PM
Gotta be a body double. Ive never seen her and said "Wow! Look at the turd cutter on her!"
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 10:55:46 PM
Here's my take on people who use have "sources" they can't name.

1) Chances are, if you can't post the person's name, you aren't supposed to be putting it on the internet for thousands to read.

2) If you can't post the source's name, you really hold no credibility.

Those two together really make this hard to believe.

Hate to point out but Woodward & Bernstein brought down an Imperial Presidency through "Deep Throat"
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: Jam Chowder on March 26, 2012, 10:56:04 PM

But as far as someone with 2 posts to sign on just to post that and have any level of credibility? I find that incredibly unlikely. Especially when the person's other post was this:


You beat me to it.
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 10:56:33 PM
Oh, no.

(http://legacy-cdn.smosh.com/smosh-pit/012011/situation-omg.gif)
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: Benny B on March 26, 2012, 10:57:14 PM
I know it's a vastly different level of intrigue, but where would our country be without Deep Throat?

Knee deep in boring old missionary-style 60's porn.
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: strotty on March 26, 2012, 10:57:35 PM
All I am saying is the people who have talked to sources are the ones who have NOT posted/written anything publicly, because there's nothing new to report right now, and the information received from sources is private...
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 10:57:48 PM
Not like he just signed up 10 minutes ago to post this.

Name:   5993mcguirm
Posts:   2 (0.002 per day)
Position:   Walk-On
Date Registered:   January 07, 2010, 10:07:03 AM
Last Active:   Today at 10:51:33 PM
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: Jam Chowder on March 26, 2012, 10:58:43 PM
Not like he just signed up 10 minutes ago to post this.

Name:   5993mcguirm
Posts:   2 (0.002 per day)
Position:   Walk-On
Date Registered:   January 07, 2010, 10:07:03 AM
Last Active:   Today at 10:51:33 PM

And that somehow lends credibility to his claims? Especially in light of his flaming/trolling history?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 10:58:56 PM
buzz to smu
has now degenerated
well formed turd cutter
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 10:59:45 PM
Man, the one non-gay thing in this thread disappears.  hell we got a donkey's dong and sliced horse heads up in this thread but no we can't have a beautiful chick in a bikini bottom on here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 11:00:54 PM
Man, the one non-gay thing in this thread disappears.  hell we got a donkey's dong and sliced horse heads up in this thread but no we can't have a beautiful chick in a bikini bottom on here.

Your forgetting the chach fire gif for the "_____ is evil and must be destroyed"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 11:01:22 PM
Man, the one non-gay thing in this thread disappears.  hell we got a donkey's dong and sliced horse heads up in this thread but no we can't have a beautiful chick in a bikini bottom on here.


Buncha hairy wet cats.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 11:02:40 PM

Buncha hairy wet cats.

lotta moist kitten?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 11:02:47 PM
one of the mods wife's must peruse this site...   only logical explanation.
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 11:03:05 PM
All I am saying is the people who have talked to sources are the ones who have NOT posted/written anything publicly, because there's nothing new to report right now, and the information received from sources is private...

Jim Ganzer posted publicly about a rift between Buzz and LW without specifically naming who told him that. There are other people that are usually reliable that have posted on the Scout premium board without giving names of where they got their information from.

Discounting a source simply because the source doesn't want their name to be revealed is definitely premature, especially in light of your major...there may well be a time in your career where you need to use an anonymous source, and there's nothing at all wrong with that, if that's what it takes to get a pertinent story to the public.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: marquette09 on March 26, 2012, 11:03:51 PM
Three things we need to discuss more.

1.  The greatness that is Tom Crean

2.  Aaron Durley.  Did he play this year?

3.  How crapy the studens are.  Do they even show up for weeknight games?
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 11:04:11 PM
And that somehow lends credibility to his claims? Especially in light of his flaming/trolling history?

Just that if it was a SMUrf he would have signed up 15 minutes ago, not 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: strotty on March 26, 2012, 11:05:26 PM
Jim Ganzer posted publicly about a rift between Buzz and LW without specifically naming who told him that. There are other people that are usually reliable that have posted on the Scout premium board without giving names of where they got their information from.

Discounting a source simply because the source doesn't want their name to be revealed is definitely premature, especially in light of your major...there may well be a time in your career where you need to use an anonymous source, and there's nothing at all wrong with that, if that's what it takes to get a pertinent story to the public.

This isn't an anonymous source. This is "someone in the athletic department who I talked to." Jim Ganzer and Jeff Goodman talked to sources who knew they would be used in a story. That is an anonymous source.

...not to mention Ganzer and Goodman are credible journalists with known sources. Big, big difference.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 26, 2012, 11:05:48 PM
7 years at $19m ain't gittin er done, SMU fellas.
FWIW It's a time warner IP allocated to a Menomonee Falls address. Looks like JP is playing pranks on us.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 11:05:52 PM
the logic here not only prints frack but also writes kitten in replacement for another word meaning cat
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: Les Nessman on March 26, 2012, 11:06:28 PM
As you may be able to tell, I never post here. 

However, I read this board on a daily basis, and have kept very close attention to the recent Buzz rumors.  I made a call to a source I have within the athletic department and have been told the following:
1) the meeting tomorrow is confirmed.
2) there is a good chance that tomorrow will be the day in which Marquette University decides to distance themselves from Coach Williams.
3) Apparently, the powers that be, feel like the recent "black eyes" on the program (the sexual assault case(s) primarily) are not worth keeping the coach.
4) The powers that be would like to do a "house cleaning" and feel like now is the opportunity for both sides to mutually agree to part ways.

Take this however you'd like- I only post this because I feel it's relevant and not B.S.

I really hope this turns out to be nothing more than a garbage rumor, and vow to never post again if that is the case.

I PRAY THAT I NEVER POST ON THIS BOARD AGAIN!

First and second bolded statements basically contradict themselves. "I have an inside source that I trust enough to post what knowledge they have. However, they could be totally bulsh*tting me and there is a chance this might be nothing more than a rumor.

As far as the last bolded statement, you have complete control over this. Really, there's no need to pray about anything.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 11:08:04 PM
the logic here not only prints frack but also writes kitten in replacement for another word meaning cat


Yes, yes it does.  You've been gone awhile, eh?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
things we need to discuss more.

1.  The greatness that is Tom Crean

If Buzz bolts for SMU is there a chance at Tanned Tommy pulling a MacArthur?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 11:08:44 PM
this thread has been tainted.   Its greatness corrupted.
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 26, 2012, 11:09:05 PM
As you may be able to tell, I never post here. 

Hey now, we have a 50+ page thread for these kind of wild rumors.  I'll excuse you since you don't post much.  Merged.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 11:10:16 PM
this thread has been tainted.   Its greatness corrupted.

a noble pursuit
dragged into the mire of sex
is nothing sacred
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 11:10:40 PM
Hey now, we have a 50+ page thread for these kind of wild rumors.  I'll excuse you since you don't post much.  Merged.

The quest for 100 pages.  Just merge all Buzz to SMU threads here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 26, 2012, 11:12:09 PM
Three things we need to discuss more.

1.  The greatness that is Tom Crean

2.  Aaron Durley.  Did he play this year?

3.  How crapy the studens are.  Do they even show up for weeknight games?

I think your typewriter is missing some keys.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 11:12:29 PM
http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 26, 2012, 11:12:50 PM
This isn't an anonymous source. This is "someone in the athletic department who I talked to." Jim Ganzer and Jeff Goodman talked to sources who knew they would be used in a story. That is an anonymous source.

That's splitting hairs. I'll be the first to say that I think this guy is just trying to wind people up and pulling this crap out of his backside. But I also feel confident that some people that have been posting here and elsewhere today and are not journalists are talking to people in the know and trying to at least share something with people not as well connected. The Internet has definitely blurred the lines of journalism, and between message boards and blogs, the number of people that have legitimate reason to use "anonymous sources" has multiplied exponentially.

If I got a call from Dick Strong today (I didn't) and he told me that he felt confident Buzz would be staying, I don't see how it would be a problem for me to post on this site that I've heard Buzz will be here from a reliable source. In no way would that tell anyone where I heard it from, but by the same token, I'm very confident that if that conversation happened, Strong wouldn't want me to put his name on it.
Title: Re: Latest Buzz Rumor: Credible Source
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 11:12:59 PM
The quest for 100 pages.  Just merge all Buzz to SMU threads here.

Just merge all Buzz to _____________ here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 11:14:15 PM
unscheduled meeting
ripe with anticipation
unknown agenda
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 26, 2012, 11:14:28 PM
http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)



We made the news!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 11:14:48 PM
http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)



Fact finding on MUScoop! Come on, CBS.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Jam Chowder on March 26, 2012, 11:15:59 PM
http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)



Wow... I guess that's what constitutes journalism these days...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 26, 2012, 11:16:15 PM
We made the news!!!

I guess this passes for news now!  Funny!  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: strotty on March 26, 2012, 11:16:49 PM
That's splitting hairs. I'll be the first to say that I think this guy is just trying to wind people up and pulling this crap out of his backside. But I also feel confident that some people that have been posting here and elsewhere today and are not journalists are talking to people in the know and trying to at least share something with people not as well connected. The Internet has definitely blurred the lines of journalism, and between message boards and blogs, the number of people that have legitimate reason to use "anonymous sources" has multiplied exponentially.

If I got a call from Dick Strong today (I didn't) and he told me that he felt confident Buzz would be staying, I don't see how it would be a problem for me to post on this site that I've heard Buzz will be here from a reliable source. In no way would that tell anyone where I heard it from, but by the same token, I'm very confident that if that conversation happened, Strong wouldn't want me to put his name on it.

Then the minuscule percentage of credible, non-reporters who post in here and are accurate have been tainted by people like the one who just posted.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Daniel on March 26, 2012, 11:17:10 PM
We made the news!!!

Wow - they report what's on the board and have no other info.  That's news? LOL - we don't even know what we're talking about!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 5993mcguirm on March 26, 2012, 11:17:57 PM
I don't have anything to hide.  I wrote my first post with nothing but the intention of getting a rise out of the board.  Yes, childish, I know.  I was then banned by the moderators and had to email them to be allowed to read this board.  I did so because I love reading this board, and I absolutely love MU bball.  I have nothing to hide- I'm a 26 year old graduate of the business school who resides in Chicago. 

I'm not looking for approval, nor do I think my post is something special.  I felt I that I received information worth relaying to those that care as deeply about our team as I do- so I did so.  That is all.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 11:18:18 PM
http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)



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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 11:18:52 PM
Wow - they report what's on the board and have no other info.  That's news? LOL - we don't even know what we're talking about!

Just shows how reliable we all are.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 26, 2012, 11:22:08 PM
I don't have anything to hide.  I wrote my first post with nothing but the intention of getting a rise out of the board.  Yes, childish, I know.  I was then banned by the moderators and had to email them to be allowed to read this board.  I did so because I love reading this board, and I absolutely love MU bball.  I have nothing to hide- I'm a 26 year old graduate of the business school who resides in Chicago. 

I'm not looking for approval, nor do I think my post is something special.  I felt I that I received information worth relaying to those that care as deeply about our team as I do- so I did so.  That is all.

Everything seems tip top here, move along folks. Buzz is gone.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 26, 2012, 11:23:54 PM
I don't have anything to hide.  I wrote my first post with nothing but the intention of getting a rise out of the board.  Yes, childish, I know.  I was then banned by the moderators and had to email them to be allowed to read this board.  I did so because I love reading this board, and I absolutely love MU bball.  I have nothing to hide- I'm a 26 year old graduate of the business school who resides in Chicago. 

I'm not looking for approval, nor do I think my post is something special.  I felt I that I received information worth relaying to those that care as deeply about our team as I do- so I did so.  That is all.
Well then since it's true... Does anyone know how to riot? Not many good how-to videos on Youtube out there.... CBS that was a joke.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 11:25:28 PM
I think nothing is a possibility but not just as likely.  This thing doesn't get created out of whole cloth, so there has to be something to it.
Yeah, SMU18 was stirring the pot.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 26, 2012, 11:26:30 PM
I have as many sources as CBS. None

I wish I had a clue. A meeting or no meeting? Who called the meeting. Why? So many questions.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bocephys on March 26, 2012, 11:27:23 PM
Yeah, SMU18 was stirring the pot.

Maybe IWB was as well to drive traffic to his new site.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 26, 2012, 11:29:16 PM
now he says no team meeting scheduled for tomorrow and "no decisions made" - whatever that means

Maybe IWB was as well to drive traffic to his new site.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 26, 2012, 11:29:52 PM
We are making news stations now, this is epic.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 11:32:51 PM
Remember, Marquette granted SMU permission to speak with Buzz. That doesn't happen unless Buzz wanted to talk to SMU. If Buzz wasn't interested in talking, he could have just told MU to tell SMU thanks but no thanks.
Absolutely untrue.  One of the few things I can say with certainty in all of this.  MU granting permission gives you no accurate insight into the mind of Buzz.


Sorry I'm a few pages late in replying...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 11:33:52 PM
We made the news!!!

It's a movie! Starring Goose as Woodward, SMU18 as Bernstein, and Chicos as "Deep Throat"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 11:35:15 PM
If negotiations are to be done over the phone, wouldn't Kelvin Sampson be a better choice?
:D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 26, 2012, 11:36:29 PM
Get some advertising in this thread with profits to Buzz's Bunch.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 11:38:07 PM
A number of message boards show Marquette boosters and alumni have launched an e-mail campaign this week in support of Buzz Williams.

There is talk that Southern Methodist University may be trying to lure Williams away from Marquette.

Some posts also suggest there may be some tension between Buzz and the administration over recent off-the-court incidents involving several of his players.

As for whether Williams has been granted permission to talk to SMU, CBS 58 News did contact Marquette, but we were told the university will not comment on personnel matters.

Stay tuned to CBS 58 and cbs58.com for the latest on this developing story


Talk about weak. No mention of Kringle, rich SMU alums, Thrust-to-Weight ratios, or well formed Turd Cutters.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 11:43:11 PM
Go to their site where there is a poll - Benford is the leading candidate according to their population

http://www.ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60587

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 26, 2012, 11:45:34 PM
Page 52 was my favorite so far.  Keep up the good work guys.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 11:47:08 PM
Go to their site where there is a poll - Benford is the leading candidate according to their population

http://www.ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60587



Before Buzz was considered an option.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: bobnoxious on March 26, 2012, 11:48:29 PM
Gotta get in every 20 pages or so. Might need to go to rehab when this thread ends cause its turned me into a junky
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 11:51:20 PM
Did Arnold Palmer invent the Arnold Palmer or just popularize it?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 11:52:50 PM
Did Arnold Palmer invent the Arnold Palmer or just popularize it?

What came first?  Arnold Palmer or lemonade mixed with ice tea.

Your answer lies within.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 26, 2012, 11:56:27 PM
What came first?  Arnold Palmer or lemonade mixed with ice tea.

Your answer lies within.

accomplished golfer
or refreshing beverage
age old mystery
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 26, 2012, 11:57:23 PM
What came first?  Arnold Palmer or lemonade mixed with ice tea.

Your answer lies within.

I bet you, if arnold palmer's name was different, like ben johnson, he still would have called the drink an arnold palmer.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: strotty on March 26, 2012, 11:58:42 PM
Is Davante's jersey packed for Easter break?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 26, 2012, 11:59:12 PM
I bet you, if arnold palmer's name was different, like ben johnson, he still would have called the drink an arnold palmer.

I am drinking some Ben Johnson has a nice ring to it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Blackhat on March 26, 2012, 11:59:37 PM
this threads like hammer time, always moving.


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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 12:01:54 AM
I bet you, if arnold palmer's name was different, like ben johnson, he still would have called the drink an arnold palmer.

But if Arnold Palmer's name was Dick Strong would the drink be a Strong Dick?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 27, 2012, 12:02:05 AM
As for everyone's performance on this thread, everyone gets.........


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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 12:05:59 AM
I bet you, if arnold palmer's name was different, like ben johnson, he still would have called the drink an arnold palmer.

If his name was ben johnson we'd all be sucking a big johnson.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 12:11:39 AM
If his name was ben johnson we'd all be sucking a big johnson.

Speaking of Big Johnsons, did Randy Johnson invent the mullet or is it the Canadian National Hairstyle due to its popularity among hockey players?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on March 27, 2012, 12:12:16 AM
More soccer Cr*p    Adu didn't do enough. U23 eliminated
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 12:14:27 AM
Speaking of Big Johnsons, did Randy Johnson invent the mullet or is it the Canadian National Hairstyle due to its popularity among hockey players?


It enhances the aerodynamics of the missing teeth.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 27, 2012, 12:16:26 AM
Ok---inside source from the Quan Hedge Trimmer 4Ever....Buzz's house has been listed late tonight....pix of the inside follow.

Front Hallway
(http://www.oldcountrycrows.com/images/FaithHopeLoveSign.jpg)

Laundry Room 
(http://www.twilightvisions.com/sunshine/pictures/cosplay/sweatyshirt.jpg)

Kansas State Closet
(http://www.thehotglove.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Buzz.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 12:17:53 AM

It enhances the aerodynamics of the missing teeth.

Greatest moment in MLB history: Big Unit Bird Strike!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KQ-camXdK0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KQ-camXdK0)

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 12:30:30 AM
sadly, at 2230 PDT the quest for 60 pages lost forward thrust and hurtled from the sky...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 27, 2012, 12:31:34 AM
I have an idea....let's start an "Official Ryan Braun Pissing Contest" thread to distract us...oh wait, that thread is four days old.

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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 12:35:13 AM
Agreed. Way, way over rated.

Agreed. In N Out Burger isn't bad, but it's nowhere near what the hype suggests it would be.

Five Guys, on the other hand...

There's nothing like Five Guys in my mouth...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 12:36:38 AM
Resulting in Five Guys in my stomach...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 12:38:25 AM
Resulting in Five Guys in my stomach...

That wasn't much better.  Do you ask for extra special sauce?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 12:38:55 AM
Seriously, though...Five Guys is fantastic. One of the three best burgers in Milwaukee, along with Sobleman's (the original...MU Campus is for hairy wet cats) and Solly's. That butter dripping down and soaking the entire bun is simply irresistible.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 12:47:47 AM
If the team met with LW and Pillarz and promised them to be better behaved, would the admin back off Buzz?  Would they do that?  Would it matter?

(assuming this is the real issue causing all this)

I hope this is a joke. If it's not, I am dumbfounded and cannot decide whether another MU84 is a bigger kitten than the field farries we apparently have on MUScoop. Either way, I am embarrassed to the point where I almost never want to come back here knowing there are as many field farries here as they are (that's a lie, I have nothing better to do with my life than come to MUScoop, but really?).

As for this post, yeah, Fr. P and Larry W are going to say, "Oh, it's OK, guys, you're just kids, you make mistakes, let me while those tears from your eyes. We know you'll learn from your mistakes. Since you PROMISED to be good we trust you and will give Buzz another chance. Buzz, you're lucky these guys stood up for you, since you can't take responsibility of your program yourself."
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 12:49:48 AM
 ::) Channeling my inner hoopaloop chicos with 5 out of 6 posts (thanks for ruining my flow, awilhelm).   ::)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysChestHair on March 27, 2012, 12:59:05 AM
Do you think LW has the following planned to appease the Muscoop posters.
1 immediately announce Doc Rivers is leaving the celtics and coming to Marquette to coach

2.  He will now leave the basketball program alone as he focuses on returning a football program to the university

Anything else and it is going to get ugly around here for LW even if Buzz stays.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 01:00:31 AM
Agreed. In N Out Burger isn't bad, but it's nowhere near what the hype suggests it would be.

Five Guys, on the other hand...

There's nothing like Five Guys in my mouth...

In Seattle it's Dicks...

http://www.dicksdrivein.com/

Named America's Most Life Changing Burger by Esquire Magazine
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 27, 2012, 01:33:21 AM
Resulting in Five Guys in my stomach...

Thats not the first time you've had 5 guys all over your stomach.


ZING
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 01:56:19 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27772396@N07/4622209844/
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUsoxfan on March 27, 2012, 01:57:16 AM
In Seattle it's Dicks...

http://www.dicksdrivein.com/

Named America's Most Life Changing Burger by Esquire Magazine

That's the cheapest menu I've ever seen
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 02:06:18 AM
That's the cheapest menu I've ever seen

You have to pay for condiments and no seating keeps the overhead low. What's amazing is that Dick's is packed at bar time with dozens of inebriated patrons standing along counters, often in the rain, choking down the world's best burgers.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: reinko on March 27, 2012, 02:30:00 AM
Waiting for a cab, watching O brother Where Out thou, solid flick.


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skitch on March 27, 2012, 02:51:49 AM
accomplished golfer
or refreshing beverage
age old mystery

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRhwNkYku5I
Title: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: MU Avenue on March 27, 2012, 05:39:25 AM
Most of the threads dealing with Buzz Williams and his future at Marquette University are being blended into one thread, which is now way too long and impossible to peruse unless one has hours to kill.

Perhaps this is an effort to create the mother of all threads for this site. But to what end?

Why not keep threads separate so people can read and perhaps reply to specific topics? If there are many, so be it. This is an important topic.

I still want to know if we know more today than we knew yesterday.

Has Buzz or anyone else on the inside commented publicly?

By saying nothing, Buzz is confirming that he is considering a move, no?

Has there been news coverage that has moved the story forward?

Does anyone know a single fact related to Buzz Williams’ future at Marquette University?
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 05:51:46 AM
In response to your questions...

No

No (Nothing was said about OU or A&M last year either)

Yes, from IWB and Goodman online, and both 58 and 6 have covered it locally. Not sure about the Dallas end.

Yes, but unfortunately, Corey's either not a member on this site, or not posting.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 05:55:59 AM
Seriously, though...Five Guys is fantastic. One of the three best burgers in Milwaukee, along with Sobleman's (the original...MU Campus is for hairy wet cats) and Solly's. That butter dripping down and soaking the entire bun is simply irresistible.

Five Guys is fantastic, and the original Sobelman's is far better than the new one, but not even Solly's is in the running for best burger in Milwaukee. And no...not AJ Bombers either. The best burger in Milwaukee is now the Blackjack Burger at Potowatomi. Unbelievably good, without a doubt the best burger I've ever had. Really surprised it doesn't get more pub locally. If you haven't had it, it's worth a trip to the Fire Pit.
Title: For you old school fans
Post by: mugrad99 on March 27, 2012, 05:57:05 AM
In Seattle it's Dicks...

http://www.dicksdrivein.com/

Named America's Most Life Changing Burger by Esquire Magazine

Speaking of Dick's drive in...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlarNcNFzLw
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 27, 2012, 06:10:31 AM
Seriously, though...Five Guys is fantastic. One of the three best burgers in Milwaukee, along with Sobleman's (the original...MU Campus is for hairy wet cats) and Solly's. That butter dripping down and soaking the entire bun is simply irresistible.
Ever had Mazos? Best burger in town, hands down.

I can't believe a chain like Five Guys ranks at all. That's a pretty standard burger.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 06:12:40 AM
Ever had Mazos? Best burger in town, hands down.

I can't believe a chain like Five Guys ranks at all. That's a pretty standard burger.

Heard Mazos is good, but I'd tried going there a couple times and it's always closed.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2012, 06:46:14 AM
Agreed. In N Out Burger isn't bad, but it's nowhere near what the hype suggests it would be.

Five Guys, on the other hand...

There's nothing like Five Guys in my mouth...



Ever tasted a 36C?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 27, 2012, 06:50:44 AM
Heard Mazos is good, but I'd tried going there a couple times and it's always closed.
That's the place. Must cater exclusively to St. Luke's. Open from like 11-5.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 06:58:03 AM
Here's my take on people who use have "sources" they can't name.

1) Chances are, if you can't post the person's name, you aren't supposed to be putting it on the internet for thousands to read.

2) If you can't post the source's name, you really hold no credibility.

Those two together really make this hard to believe.


Awww...look at the cute little journalism student!!!

The fact is I reported what I found out, and confirmed with someone else on this board.  There is a players meeting this morning to address the coaching rumors.  They don't know if it is good news or bad news, but if they were betting it would be to put those rumors to bed.

What worries me most is that IWB hasn't followed up with anything definitive.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 07:28:23 AM
now he says no team meeting scheduled for tomorrow and "no decisions made" - whatever that means

Can someone tell me where this was? Didn't see anything on IWB's twitter, nothing on the website, and no posts on either here or Scout indicating anything of the sort.
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 07:29:08 AM
By saying nothing, Buzz is confirming that he is considering a move, no?
No. No. No. NO. No. No. NO. Emphatic No. Absolutely Not. NO. No. NO.

By saying nothing, Buzz is saying nothing.  Saying nothing does not mean anything at all.  The truth could be either way, but you'll never figure it out by inferring from the nothing someone said.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 27, 2012, 07:48:05 AM
at 10:21 PM in the MU Forum on his site...


Can someone tell me where this was? Didn't see anything on IWB's twitter, nothing on the website, and no posts on either here or Scout indicating anything of the sort.
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: NCAARules on March 27, 2012, 07:48:59 AM
Yes, from IWB and Goodman online, and both 58 and 6 have covered it locally. Not sure about the Dallas end.

Now wait a second... the report I saw last night was 58 essentially reporting what was happening on "local Marquette message boards".  There was not one shred of news/fact in the report I saw.

Merely, the meltdown here and on the other board served as a reason to get this into the news.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 27, 2012, 08:06:28 AM
at 10:21 PM in the MU Forum on his site...

Get Sultan out of bed to confirm this!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 08:08:06 AM
Source spoke directly to a player who confirmed meeting today. Confirmed meeting from another independent source. IWB is likely getting info from Buzz so I don't know what is going on but a lot of people seem to know about this meeting that isn't taking place.   
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: jficke13 on March 27, 2012, 08:10:22 AM

Awww...look at the cute little journalism student!!!


Among other things ESPN has done to ruin sports journalism is allow the proliferation of "sources are telling me" stories. When in doubt just make something up, toss a "sources tell me" on the front of it and magically you have a job on ESPN as an "insider"
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 08:18:26 AM
I didn't watch the 58 report, I just knew they had a story addressing it. No idea where they sourced it from, if it was local message boards, I guess we're the ones driving the media now ;D

Fox 6, however, did have this story earlier. Along with Goodman and IWB, that seems to be where the initial panic generated from.

Either way, this just sucks. I feel like this is a yo-yo ride. It starts, we go down as we hear "Buzz to...", then it goes up as we all have a good laugh hearing "...SMU", then it goes down as a few trusted sources say "should MU be concerned? The answer is yes", then it goes up as other sources say "it's being worked out, we can breathe easy now", then it goes down with conflicting reports of the meeting and the simple delay of nothing being said.

If Buzz leaves for another job I feel it will be indicative that MU's administration doesn't have a long-term plan for the success of the program. Even if they follow Buzz up with a home-run hire, I think the blueprint is already in place. Letting Buzz go would be the equivalent of firing Al McGuire after the 1969 season.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 27, 2012, 08:22:58 AM
Well, I'm glad it's this morning. Will make it much easier to work with this behind us. But ... unless Buzz leaves, will this thread even hit 60 pages? Is that not a thing any more?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 08:23:53 AM
Did Arnold Palmer invent the Arnold Palmer or just popularize it?

Im pretty sure someone else had to have mixed those two before.  Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homer adds cough syrup and lights up the coctail calls it the flaming homer, than he goes to Mo who renames it the Flaming Mo and markets the crap out of it
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 08:26:18 AM
By saying nothing, Buzz is confirming that he is considering a move, no?
Because I've now had to answer this question almost verbatim three times in the last two days (to be fair, twice it was your question), it needs to be said again:

No.  Buzz cannot confirm something by not talking.  Simply not possible.  He also cannot be expected to comment every time another school asks to talk to him just to appease the fanbase.  He has better things to do and the fanbase shouldn't be so fickle.

So, to answer your question, no.  Buzz is not confirming anything by not saying anything.  Buzz may stay, Buzz may leave, but you aren't going to figure that out by reading between the lines of nothing.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 08:27:10 AM
Five Guys is fantastic, and the original Sobelman's is far better than the new one, but not even Solly's is in the running for best burger in Milwaukee. And no...not AJ Bombers either. The best burger in Milwaukee is now the Blackjack Burger at Potowatomi. Unbelievably good, without a doubt the best burger I've ever had. Really surprised it doesn't get more pub locally. If you haven't had it, it's worth a trip to the Fire Pit.

I have to go with Mazo's   Keep it southside!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 08:28:12 AM
Well, I'm glad it's this morning. Will make it much easier to work with this behind us. But ... unless Buzz leaves, will this thread even hit 60 pages? Is that not a thing any more?

It'll hit 60 still...probably more. My guess is that within the next 4-6 hours, we'll hear if there was or wasn't a meeting, and what did or didn't happen at the meeting that did or didn't take place. The speculation from multiple sources will keep driving this a bit longer, and once we have an answer, for better or worse, this will get another nice little spike. I think 75 is still very possible, and 100 isn't out of the question.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: pbiflyer on March 27, 2012, 08:29:36 AM
Can someone tell me where this was? Didn't see anything on IWB's twitter, nothing on the website, and no posts on either here or Scout indicating anything of the sort.

Um, do you mind trying to stay on topic.

In-n-Out from back in the day, when there were just a few Southern California locations blew away Five Guys. Sadly bigger is not always better.


(BTW, while I was typing this, there were 7 more replies)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 08:30:22 AM
This thread can not die until it gets to at least 75 pages.  As a shuttle van driver for the Airport, I will put in my dues to make sure that every flight to Dallas has a mandatory check of the Passenger Manifest for anyone named Williams or Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 08:30:32 AM
Lawwarrior you can choose to believe me or not. I rarely post this kind of stuff here. Not like I have a history of throw crap against a wall and hoping something sticks. If I turn out to be wrong I will not run and hide either.
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 08:30:44 AM
Most of the threads dealing with Buzz Williams and his future at Marquette University are being blended into one thread, which is now way too long and impossible to peruse unless one has hours to kill.

Perhaps this is an effort to create the mother of all threads for this site. But to what end?

Why not keep threads separate so people can read and perhaps reply to specific topics? If there are many, so be it. This is an important topic.

I still want to know if we know more today than we knew yesterday.

Has Buzz or anyone else on the inside commented publicly?

By saying nothing, Buzz is confirming that he is considering a move, no?

Has there been news coverage that has moved the story forward?

Does anyone know a single fact related to Buzz Williams’ future at Marquette University?

For the record, I find it hilarious that this was forced into another thread ;)

Because I've now had to answer this question almost verbatim three times in the last two days (to be fair, twice it was your question), it needs to be said again:

No.  Buzz cannot confirm something by not talking.  Simply not possible.  He also cannot be expected to comment every time another school asks to talk to him just to appease the fanbase.  He has better things to do and the fanbase shouldn't be so fickle.

So, to answer your question, no.  Buzz is not confirming anything by not saying anything.  Buzz may stay, Buzz may leave, but you aren't going to figure that out by reading between the lines of nothing.

And TJ...didn't you already basically say the exact same thing in response to the exact same post right here?  ?-(

No. No. No. NO. No. No. NO. Emphatic No. Absolutely Not. NO. No. NO.

By saying nothing, Buzz is saying nothing.  Saying nothing does not mean anything at all.  The truth could be either way, but you'll never figure it out by inferring from the nothing someone said.
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 08:31:25 AM
I didn't watch the 58 report, I just knew they had a story addressing it. No idea where they sourced it from, if it was local message boards, I guess we're the ones driving the media now ;D

Fox 6, however, did have this story earlier. Along with Goodman and IWB, that seems to be where the initial panic generated from.

Either way, this just sucks. I feel like this is a yo-yo ride. It starts, we go down as we hear "Buzz to...", then it goes up as we all have a good laugh hearing "...SMU", then it goes down as a few trusted sources say "should MU be concerned? The answer is yes", then it goes up as other sources say "it's being worked out, we can breathe easy now", then it goes down with conflicting reports of the meeting and the simple delay of nothing being said.

If Buzz leaves for another job I feel it will be indicative that MU's administration doesn't have a long-term plan for the success of the program. Even if they follow Buzz up with a home-run hire, I think the blueprint is already in place. Letting Buzz go would be the equivalent of firing Al McGuire after the 1969 season.
I hear ya, but I simply don't believe any of it to be true.  For your sanity and a much smoother ride it works out very well.

I believe that Buzz and LW had some discussions and worked out some issues or plan to do so, but I do not believe that anything substantive was ever close to happening.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 08:32:04 AM
Sadly bigger is not always better.


O thank goodness I was worried that I wasnt measuring up, but than my wife used those words to assure me I was adequate.  Thanks I needed that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 08:32:12 AM
This thread can not die until it gets to at least 75 pages.  As a shuttle van driver for the Airport, I will put in my dues to make sure that every flight to Dallas has a mandatory check of the Passenger Manifest for anyone named Williams or Buzz.

Also keep an eye out for anyone named "Brent" ;)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 08:32:21 AM
http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Future-of-Buzz-Williams-144317145.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)




We're Famous!


*fail on embedding south park video
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 08:32:54 AM
For the record, I find it hilarious that this was forced into another thread ;)

And TJ...didn't you already basically say the exact same thing in response to the exact same post right here?  ?-(

Yes.  I didn't think it would get through the first time, since it didn't get through yesterday.  I don't think it can be stressed enough that you can't suddenly figure everything out by listening to what Buzz didn't say.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 08:34:44 AM
This thread can not die until it gets to at least 75 pages.  As a shuttle van driver for the Airport, I will put in my dues to make sure that every flight to Dallas has a mandatory check of the Passenger Manifest for anyone named Williams or Buzz.
Check for "Brent" too.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 08:36:11 AM

We're Famous!


http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153992/were-all-famous

A legit news outlet is reporting what's being said on message boards?! That's just embarassing.
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 08:39:35 AM
Yes.  I didn't think it would get through the first time, since it didn't get through yesterday.  I don't think it can be stressed enough that you can't suddenly figure everything out by listening to what Buzz didn't say.

But didn't you see the way he raised his eyebrows after making the "The butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker" comment? And how many times did he tap his fingers on the desk...he's trying to communicate without letting everyone know! There must be something there!

*Begins looking at google images of Buzz for hidden clues*
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pakuni on March 27, 2012, 08:40:34 AM
A legit news outlet is reporting what's being said on message boards?! That's just embarassing.


Who said they were legit?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 27, 2012, 08:41:48 AM
I have to go with Mazo's   Keep it southside!
+1 Brazillion
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 08:42:33 AM
If any MU personal hop on the fast park shuttle at Mitchell I will alert all of you via Bat Call

FYI:  As a van driver I must give you the rules on tipping your van driver.  If I dont touch your bags you have no obligation to tip.  If I do carry your bag one dollar is totally acceptable.  If you and your wife travel and both have a bag than two dollars is cool.  If you are a family of 5 and each have a giant bag, plus Skis, and Golf Clubs than 5 dollars is good.  

If you dont have any money that is totally cool, just say "hey, Im out of cash but i appreciate your service"  this is a really cool move.    However;  If you dont have cash and you shake my hand and say "Nice JOb"  than that is bull.

Or you can
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 27, 2012, 08:43:30 AM
http://goo.gl/p5cV8 (http://goo.gl/p5cV8)

That's a Twitter link to 8 current players / coaches on the team. If something happens, I'm betting on Twitter first.
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 08:44:42 AM
Yes.  I didn't think it would get through the first time, since it didn't get through yesterday.  I don't think it can be stressed enough that you can't suddenly figure everything out by listening to what Buzz didn't say.

Often can't figure things out by what Buzz DOES say.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 27, 2012, 08:45:10 AM
Maybe IWB was as well to drive traffic to his new site.

Seems highly likely to me.

And to MU Ave who thinks we need more threads.  No.  This one will do just fine.  Why have hundreds of little trash cans for one topic when you can have one big one.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 08:48:27 AM
http://goo.gl/p5cV8 (http://goo.gl/p5cV8)

That's a Twitter link to 8 current players / coaches on the team. If something happens, I'm betting on Twitter first.

Do you run that? May I suggest adding @CJC32BOSS which is Jae Crowder and @JRwontLOSE which is Cadougan?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 08:49:01 AM
Seems highly likely to me.

And to MU Ave who thinks we need more threads.  No.  This one will do just fine.  Why have hundreds of little trash cans for one topic when you can have one big one.

Yeah, one big dumpster is fine.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LON on March 27, 2012, 08:50:35 AM
http://goo.gl/p5cV8 (http://goo.gl/p5cV8)

That's a Twitter link to 8 current players / coaches on the team. If something happens, I'm betting on Twitter first.

Did you just humanize yourself?

Yeah, one big dumpster is fine.

I must say though, I've had several huge LOL moments in this thread.  We've got some pretty hilarious Scoopers.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 08:50:43 AM
Also could add @_JWils0n which is Jamil Wilson.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MULS1999 on March 27, 2012, 08:52:39 AM
Hearing from a good and reliable source this morning that the Athletic Department, and particularly Larry Williams, have started to reach out to big donors in order to brace them for the news of Buzz's impending departure.  Apparently, the message being delivered stresses the University's commitment to maintaining a "high quality" men's basketball program.  This same source claims that Buzz met with SMU representatives yesterday.

Given that there's been no annoucement or public confirmation from either side, anything is still theoretically possible.  But this same source has been right about things before and believes Buzz is going to leave.  

Can anyone else confirm a Buzz/SMU meeting and/or AD contact to donors re: his departure from MU?

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 08:52:47 AM
Don't forget @kingmedj1 for DJO
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Rubie Q on March 27, 2012, 08:53:24 AM
Maybe IWB was as well to drive traffic to his new site.

Seems highly likely to me.


I figured this was a given: Buzz sees he can use Ganzer to try to leverage a raise, Ganzer gets page views. No?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: jaybilaswho? on March 27, 2012, 08:57:08 AM

We're Famous!


*fail on embedding south park video


There are some hilarious comments on that link.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 08:58:26 AM
Don't forget @kingmedj1 for DJO

He's already following DJO, Mellow, CO, Mayo, Van, Gardner, Juan, and Aki.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 08:58:58 AM
Hearing from a good and reliable source this morning that the Athletic Department, and particularly Larry Williams, have started to reach out to big donors in order to brace them for the news of Buzz's impending departure.  Apparently, the message being delivered stresses the University's commitment to maintaining a "high kind of low to mid-majorish quality" men's basketball program.  This same source claims that Buzz met with SMU representatives yesterday.

Given that there's been no annoucement or public confirmation from either side, anything is still theoretically possible.  But this same source has been right about things before and believes Buzz is going to leave.  

Can anyone else confirm a Buzz/SMU meeting and/or AD contact to donors re: his departure from MU?


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:01:39 AM
This thread is like Hypnotoad.  I can't stop myself from looking.  Every 3 minutes.  Even though I have lots of work to do.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 09:02:38 AM
Hearing from a good and reliable source this morning that the Athletic Department, and particularly Larry Williams, have started to reach out to big donors in order to brace them for the news of Buzz's impending departure.  Apparently, the message being delivered stresses the University's commitment to maintaining a "high quality" men's basketball program.  This same source claims that Buzz met with SMU representatives yesterday.

Given that there's been no annoucement or public confirmation from either side, anything is still theoretically possible.  But this same source has been right about things before and believes Buzz is going to leave.  

Can anyone else confirm a Buzz/SMU meeting and/or AD contact to donors re: his departure from MU?


In what way are they reaching out? I imagine a phone call: Hi Dr. Booster, this is Marquette University Athletic Director, Larry Williams. I just wanted to let you know that Marquette sincerely appreciates the donations that you've made to help our athletic department become one of the best and most well-funded in the Big East. By the way, Buzz is leaving for a mid-major and we're about to become DePaul. Enjoy your Tuesday!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 09:05:39 AM
Hearing from a good and reliable source this morning that the Athletic Department, and particularly Larry Williams, have started to reach out to big donors in order to brace them for the news of Buzz's impending departure.  Apparently, the message being delivered stresses the University's commitment to maintaining a "high quality" men's basketball program.  This same source claims that Buzz met with SMU representatives yesterday.

Given that there's been no annoucement or public confirmation from either side, anything is still theoretically possible.  But this same source has been right about things before and believes Buzz is going to leave.  

Can anyone else confirm a Buzz/SMU meeting and/or AD contact to donors re: his departure from MU?



Well if true, the better have one hell of replacement ready that have already been talking to. LW will only get one shot at this.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 09:06:42 AM
In what way are they reaching out? I imagine a phone call: Hi Dr. Booster, this is Marquette University Athletic Director, Larry Williams. I just wanted to let you know that Marquette sincerely appreciates the donations that you've made to help our athletic department become one of the best and most well-funded in the Big East. By the way, Buzz is leaving for a mid-major and we're about to become DePaul. Enjoy your Tuesday!

Add... Don't worry though because we think we have the inside track to hire one of the hottest young coaches around... Yep you guessed it. Brian F'n Wardle. Currently tearing it up at UW-GB, signing 7 footers left and right, in addition to a few 5 footers.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 09:07:08 AM
Well if true, the better have one hell of replacement ready that have already been talking to. LW will only get one shot at this.


Anything less than Phil Jackson and there's gonna be a riot.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 09:10:12 AM
I just wanted to let you know that Marquette sincerely appreciates the donations that you've made to help our athletic department become one of the best and most well-funded in the Big East. By the way, Buzz is leaving for a mid-major and we're about to become DePaul  SLU. Enjoy your Tuesday![/i]


Fixed
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 27, 2012, 09:10:34 AM
I assume you mean this as a joke?


Add... Don't worry though because we think we have the inside track to hire one of the hottest young coaches around... Yep you guessed it. Brian F'n Wardle. Currently tearing it up at UW-GB, signing 7 footers left and right, in addition to a few 5 footers.


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 09:12:00 AM
Boom 60.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 27, 2012, 09:12:15 AM
If he were gone, you'd think SMU would have a leak and that there would be news of contacts between MQ and some other potential hires.  Not buying it at this point.

And, the team meeting for today is off?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:12:19 AM
I assume you mean this as a joke?


What gave it away was the part about 5 footers...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 27, 2012, 09:12:30 AM
"Hi! (Insert donor name here), it's me, Larry Williams. Look, I just wanted to tell you that we are making some upgrades to the athletic program here. First off, my Notre Dame education has shown me how to effectively use a team's heritage and good will in the form of a TV contract and lots of coverage IN SPITE of actual success on the field.

Anyway, you know how Notre Dame football has been irrelevent since 1992? Well...Fr Pilarz and I were thinking...why not do the same for MU hoops? We'll get on TV, take in a ton of money, not take any heat from our pompous fans who continuously follow us despite that lack of success (you know...like Cubs fans), and then create a great lacrosse team.

So..that being said, we've decided to let Buzz Williams go today. I hope I can count on you for more donations in the future as we look to create a Jesuit college that has the brand identity that's on par with Valparaiso and St. Louis! Thanks.  Yours in Christ.   Larry Williams"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 09:12:34 AM
I assume you mean this as a joke?



If you took that seriously may God have mercy on your soul...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 09:13:26 AM
Dont worry guys; Brian Wardle will recruit some of the best scholar athletes around, ones with no criminal records, no baggage, and most importantly No athleticism.  

So I guess we got that going for us.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:14:16 AM
If he were gone, you'd think SMU would have a leak and that there would be news of contacts between MQ and some other potential hires.  Not buying it at this point.

And, the team meeting for today is off?
We are MU people.  Don't let Missouri try to steal our birthright.  We are Marquette University.  MU.  Even ICANN agrees with us - guess where you go when you type www.mu.edu... that's right - Marquette's website.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 09:15:02 AM
Anything less than Phil Jackson and there's gonna be a riot.

I really hope it doesn't come to this, but it would be a very interesting summer if Buzz did end up departing.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 27, 2012, 09:16:16 AM
not so funny - Wardle's name as a potential replacement has been thrown out there.   That's why I hope he is joking....




If you took that seriously may God have mercy on your soul...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 27, 2012, 09:16:26 AM
My first use of MQ and I get called out   ?-(

Well, I figure this dumptster of a post will end up in the garbage bin once Buzz says he is staying or just stays... or so I hope   :)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Chili on March 27, 2012, 09:17:04 AM
Seriously, though...Five Guys is fantastic. One of the three best burgers in Milwaukee, along with Sobleman's (the original...MU Campus is for hairy wet cats) and Solly's. That butter dripping down and soaking the entire bun is simply irresistible.

Five Guys is average at best.....Oscar's On Pierce has the best burger right now Milwaukee then Sobelman's.....Neither is Kuma's in Chicago.....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 27, 2012, 09:17:48 AM
not so funny - Wardle's name as a potential replacement has been thrown out there.   That's why I hope he is joking....

Bernie Fine ... he perfect because if Buzz leaves Bernie symbolizes what LW is doing to MU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:17:56 AM
not so funny - Wardle's name as a potential replacement has been thrown out there.   That's why I hope he is joking....


I think we should go with John Cliff.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 09:18:49 AM
IWB reaffirming on his free board that no meeting is scheduled for today. All this quiet is driving me nuts...though in all honesty, I should just fill the time by attending to the study guides I have to do for work.

Yet despite having the program up and open, I'm spending more time on this window, despite the inactivity.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 09:20:10 AM
Bernie Fine ... he perfect because if Buzz leaves Bernie symbolizes what LW is doing to MU.

Nah, LW wants a Notre Dame man.

Kinda teal?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 09:20:56 AM
Domers and Jesuits:  Always the smartest people in the room.    Just ask them.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MULS1999 on March 27, 2012, 09:21:44 AM
In what way are they reaching out? I imagine a phone call: Hi Dr. Booster, this is Marquette University Athletic Director, Larry Williams. I just wanted to let you know that Marquette sincerely appreciates the donations that you've made to help our athletic department become one of the best and most well-funded in the Big East. By the way, Buzz is leaving for a mid-major and we're about to become DePaul. Enjoy your Tuesday!


I was told that this particular donor received both an e-mail and follow-up phone call from Larry Williams.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 09:22:45 AM
Nah, LW wants a Notre Dame man.

Kinda teal?

Sean Kearney?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5041801 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5041801)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 27, 2012, 09:23:05 AM
I was told that this particular donor received both an e-mail and follow-up phone call from Larry Williams.  

No way any of this makes it into written form at this point.  No way.  I call bull on your source.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MDMU04 on March 27, 2012, 09:23:18 AM
Boom 60es the dynamite.

Fixed.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 09:26:30 AM
I was told that this particular donor received both an e-mail and follow-up phone call from Larry Williams.  

Can he post the email?  I dont doubt you, but I think it would fuel a great fire to get rid of larry Williams
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: swoopem on March 27, 2012, 09:26:47 AM
Are there any big time donors on this board that would be getting these emails/calls? If so please enlighten us.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: AZWarrior on March 27, 2012, 09:27:29 AM
I really hope it doesn't come to this, but it would be a very interesting summer if Buzz did end up departing.

I, for one, appreciate boredom and routine.

That Chinese curse thing:  May you live in interesting times.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 09:29:21 AM
Are there any big time donors on this board that would be getting these emails/calls? If so please enlighten us.
For some reason i have this image of the big time donor as some guy with white hair, about 65 years old golfing at Blue Mound Country club than stiffing the caddy
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Marquette_g on March 27, 2012, 09:30:08 AM
Domers and Jesuits:  Always the smartest people in the room.    Just ask them.

+1

My email to the administration - which admittedly will be ignored - focused on the idea that one of the primary reasons I chose MU was bc of the name.  Right or wrong, many people outside of the midwest only have awareness of MU bc of basketball.  The less successful the basketball team, in some respects the less value the degree from that university has.  Obviously over time one's work  experience trumps where you went to college by 100X, but the point remains.

Well I guess that is unless you went to ND, where it is the only line item on your resume you talk about.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MileHigh on March 27, 2012, 09:30:30 AM
1500
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 27, 2012, 09:30:47 AM
Did you just humanize yourself?
It's not mine, but I *thought* it was pretty thorough. Brewcity77 proved that false!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: marquette09 on March 27, 2012, 09:32:58 AM
Well we dodged one bullet, Buzz is not going to UAB. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 09:33:50 AM
No way any of this makes it into written form at this point.  No way.  I call bull on your source.

Agreed. It would definitely be leaked somehow...probably by one of the whiny students who has never heard of schools like Seton Hall and whose daddy is a big-time donor and got him into MU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 09:35:48 AM
Well, time to call a guy for a a phone interview.  Hopefully I come back to this for good news.  I unfortunately have to stop looking to refrain from blurting out expletives during said interview.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity'77 on March 27, 2012, 09:36:34 AM
(http://images.sodahead.com/blogs/000376505/energizer_bunny_page_xlarge.jpeg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: jaybilaswho? on March 27, 2012, 09:40:01 AM
+1

My email to the administration - which admittedly will be ignored - focused on the idea that one of the primary reasons I chose MU was bc of the name.  Right or wrong, many people outside of the midwest only have awareness of MU bc of basketball.  The less successful the basketball team, in some respects the less value the degree from that university has.  Obviously over time one's work  experience trumps where you went to college by 100X, but the point remains.

Well I guess that is unless you went to ND, where it is the only line item on your resume you talk about.

Dont worry... the success of our Lacrosse team and its soon to be strong tradition will keep the MU name intact. This will be extremely necessary given the fact that Big East basketball, with traditional powerhouses leaving for "better" conferences, will soon become a fraction of what it used to. We will soon be joining the ranks of the Lacrosse powerhouse universities like Salisbury and Johns Hopkins. In 10 years, MU will be better known in the East Coast College Prep Schools (and their parents' deep pockets) for our Lacrosse heritage (with LW as the architect) and budget.

There is a silver lining.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 09:43:19 AM
I really hope we don't water down this thread by combining it with other threads in our quest for 100.  This thread is too meaty, too powerful, too good to be watered down now!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 09:45:18 AM
I agree, this thread is good enough to stand on its own
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nathanziarek on March 27, 2012, 09:46:31 AM
https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200 (https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200)

muathletics: Buzz tapes #mubb season wrapup show Tuesday on @sports32. http://t.co/rHsM9vHM

(https://www.evernote.com/shard/s25/sh/76a92cb7-24e8-4155-aa5b-8e2741e89904/0b6455a919418d4f70c87f95b966bc85/res/beed1998-bb37-4c88-b50b-a12e9f69cbd7/Safari-20120327-094840.jpg.jpg)

Sorry for the picture edit. It's new screen capture software and I wanted to play.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 09:46:44 AM
This thread has only just begun.

(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/037/602/LegendaryThread.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 27, 2012, 09:47:43 AM
https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200 (https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200)

muathletics: Buzz tapes #mubb season wrapup show Tuesday on @sports32. http://t.co/rHsM9vHM



Looking at that, it's easy to see Buzz is on his way out.

Meeting!!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 09:48:43 AM
To stir the pot...this was just posted on IWB's free website. No idea if this guy has any credibility...

Quote from: Tatum74
A friend of my just called and said that big money MU contributors are starting to receive phone calls that Buzz is leaving. Seems reliable....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 09:48:53 AM
https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200 (https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200)

muathletics: Buzz tapes #mubb season wrapup show Tuesday on @sports32. http://t.co/rHsM9vHM



Season wrapup or career at MU wrapup?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on March 27, 2012, 09:51:21 AM
Neither is Kuma's in Chicago.....

Great quote from Kuma's website.

"Death to Miller and Budweiser... they are over-produced and inferior products that prevent passionate craftsmen from sharing their gifts with all of us."
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2012, 09:51:59 AM
To stir the pot...this was just posted on IWB's free website. No idea if this guy has any credibility...


Or someone who read it here, and cross posted.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2012, 09:54:11 AM
Hearing from a good and reliable source this morning that the Athletic Department, and particularly Larry Willia

ms, have started to reach out to big donors in order to brace them for the news of Buzz's impending departure.  Apparently, the message being delivered stresses the University's commitment to maintaining a "high quality" men's basketball program.  This same source claims that Buzz met with SMU representatives yesterday.

Given that there's been no annoucement or public confirmation from either side, anything is still theoretically possible.  But this same source has been right about things before and believes Buzz is going to leave.  

Can anyone else confirm a Buzz/SMU meeting and/or AD contact to donors re: his departure from MU?




No one has reached out to me.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Chili on March 27, 2012, 09:55:03 AM
Great quote from Kuma's website.

"Death to Miller and Budweiser... they are over-produced and inferior products that prevent passionate craftsmen from sharing their gifts with all of us."

Only issue with that is they serve PBR, another mass quantity beer which is brewed by Miller. Hipsters are funny little creatures.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LON on March 27, 2012, 09:55:46 AM
Or someone who read it here, and cross posted.

Don't cross the streams!!!

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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 09:56:21 AM
To stir the pot...this was just posted on IWB's free website. No idea if this guy has any credibility...


Last year I heard that boosters "in the know" were being told that Buzz to Oklahoma was a done deal.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 09:56:56 AM
https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200 (https://twitter.com/usabilitycounts/status/184651033811763200)

muathletics: Buzz tapes #mubb season wrapup show Tuesday on @sports32. http://t.co/rHsM9vHM

(https://www.evernote.com/shard/s25/sh/76a92cb7-24e8-4155-aa5b-8e2741e89904/0b6455a919418d4f70c87f95b966bc85/res/beed1998-bb37-4c88-b50b-a12e9f69cbd7/Safari-20120327-094840.jpg.jpg)

Sorry for the picture edit. It's new screen capture software and I wanted to play.

As SMU officials look on and LW is in the crapper trying not to crap his pants.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2012, 09:57:51 AM
How many new sites is IWB going to have?  What happened to the SportsBubbler?  And why do they all look like they were made in the late 80's?

And he seriously named his Marquette forum "Inside the Al"?

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 09:58:20 AM
As SMU officials look on and LW is in the crapper trying not to crap his pants.

Are all the stalls occupied?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 10:00:45 AM
Well Seth Greenberg throws SMU rumors to the curb.  Buzz?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies-journal/post/virginia-tech-coach-seth-greenberg-dismisses-smu-rumors/2012/03/26/gIQAKk66dS_blog.html
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 10:02:13 AM
Are all the stalls occupied?


Probably.  SMU brought those damn oil-rich boosters too.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MileHigh on March 27, 2012, 10:03:19 AM
From Yahoo Sports this morning...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=teamreports-2012-ncaab-maf (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=teamreports-2012-ncaab-maf)

The Good News:   Unlike a year ago, there’s little danger of losing head coach Buzz Williams. That extension he signed last offseason likely keeps him at Marquette for years to come, which is fortunate because the players love him and will play well for him. There’s a very solid recruiting class coming in, and the talent in place to once again compete for a spot among the conference leaders and for an NCAA Tournament berth.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 10:04:46 AM
Someone have access to this? (https://secure.scout.com/a.z?s=357&p=12&requestedurl=http%3a%2f%2fmbd.scout.com%2fmb.aspx%3fs%3d357%26f%3d4065%26t%3d8851473)

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2012, 10:06:27 AM
It's all a conspiracy to get people to pay for premium message boards!

Don't give in! 

Don't let Dodds win!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Rubie Q on March 27, 2012, 10:07:01 AM
How many new sites is IWB going to have?  What happened to the SportsBubbler?  And why do they all look like they were made in the late 80's?

And he seriously named his Marquette forum "Inside the Al"?



You know what they say: why have one website when you can start 14?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 10:09:14 AM
It's all a conspiracy to get people to pay for premium message boards!

Don't give in! 

Don't let Dodds win!

I have the Scout premium access for MU.  You have to pay for SMU separately.  Also, I did pay for the SMU Rivals board and that Laken Litman person is a laughing stock at the Rivals board.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 10:10:46 AM
Awesome gif Ska!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 10:12:14 AM
Well Seth Greenberg throws SMU rumors to the curb.  Buzz?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/hokies-journal/post/virginia-tech-coach-seth-greenberg-dismisses-smu-rumors/2012/03/26/gIQAKk66dS_blog.html

Buzz has better things to do than to spend time dispelling every rumor that comes up about him.  Just like we have better things to do than overreact about every freakin' rumor that comes up about Buzz.  The Grambling State coaching position is open - should Buzz hold a press conference to say he's not interested?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 10:13:26 AM
Buzz has better things to do than to spend time dispelling every rumor that comes up about him.  Just like we have better things to do than overreact about every freakin' rumor that comes up about Buzz.  The Grambling State coaching position is open - should Buzz hold a press conference to say he's not interested?

But overreacting is what we're best at!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2012, 10:15:02 AM
This thread proves that we do NOT have better things to do.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 10:15:35 AM
I have the Scout premium access for MU.  You have to pay for SMU separately.  Also, I did pay for the SMU Rivals board and that Laken Litman person is a laughing stock at the Rivals board.

You can get the free 7-day trial for the SMU Scout board, but I don't feel like running upstairs to get my credit card info.

One thing...as much as this is a "crapstorm" for all of us, I don't think this is necessarily being handled horribly by Marquette. Sure, the die-hard message board fanatics are panicking, but there's been nary a peep from the media. It isn't mentioned in the local paper, and the only two news outlets to touch it are (1) the least watched one in 58 that is sourcing message boards like us and (2) Fox 6, which has no direct ties to Marquette.

They've mostly kept it hushed, and whenever anything comes out right now, it will either be the first statement saying Buzz is gone or just reaffirming Buzz's commitment to Marquette. To us, it may feel like agony, but to the general public, even to the general Marquette fans, this issue doesn't even exist yet.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 10:15:45 AM
Here's my theory on why there is no way LW can let Buzz go.  Presumably MU is concerned about their image hence the "issues" with Buzz.  If Buzz doesn't leave for A&M last year but suddenly leaves for SMU this year a HUGE step down from A&M let alone MU, the media while dumb is going to figure some of this out.  And then how does MU spin the whole thing, it will just rachet up attention on the program further because MU would ditch a wildly successful coach to clean up the program.  The media will smell blood in the water and the program will be picked a part, plus who is going to want to coach here under those self-manufactured circumstances.

This doesn't even address the fan fire storm.  If Larry is a smart guy, unless there is some bad stuff about the program that hasn't come out yet there is no way he could let Buzz go.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 10:16:10 AM
But overreacting is what we're best at!

We are all fans.  Churchill said it best

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject"--Winston Churchill
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 10:16:56 AM
This thread proves that we do NOT have better things to do.
I stand by the rest of my post, but that is very true.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
This doesn't even address the fan fire storm.  If Larry is a smart guy, unless there is some bad stuff about the program that hasn't come out yet there is no way he could let Buzz go.

Either that, or he has someone lined up that he thinks, right or wrong, would appease the masses.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 10:19:05 AM
Either that, or he has someone lined up that he thinks, right or wrong, would appease the masses.

Better be Shaka.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 10:19:58 AM
Larry has to be a smart guy, he went to Notre Dame.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 27, 2012, 10:20:39 AM
Either that, or he has someone lined up that he thinks, right or wrong, would appease the masses.

Or he's not calling the shots and Pilarz and the BOT are.  What I don't get, is what could they possibly know now that they didn't know months ago when the off court issues surfaced?  If all of this is true, they'll have some SERIOUS answering to do.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 10:22:29 AM
Either that, or he has someone lined up that he thinks, right or wrong, would appease the masses.

He'd better, but that doesn't make sense because now the circle of who knows gets bigger and you'd think there would be a lot more leaks.  It seems to me for it to be this circumstantial it is either untrue and Buzz is staying or LW is closing his eyes and praying it works out.

Gun to my head, I think there was a small brushfire but the Williams put it out and we're good.  However, they is enough stuff out there to make me panicky and I think it would be a disaster to lose Buzz at this point.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 10:22:33 AM
Here's my theory on why there is no way LW can let Buzz go.  Presumably MU is concerned about their image hence the "issues" with Buzz.  If Buzz doesn't leave for A&M last year but suddenly leaves for SMU this year a HUGE step down from A&M let alone MU, the media while dumb is going to figure some of this out.  And then how does MU spin the whole thing, it will just rachet up attention on the program further because MU would ditch a wildly successful coach to clean up the program.  The media will smell blood in the water and the program will be picked a part, plus who is going to want to coach here under those self-manufactured circumstances.

This doesn't even address the fan fire storm.  If Larry is a smart guy, unless there is some bad stuff about the program that hasn't come out yet there is no way he could let Buzz go.
I know how to spin it: "The guy left for S-M-freakin'-U.  13-19, 11th place in CUSA SMU.  What do you want me to say?  He must have been tired of all the winning he was doing here and wanted a chance to lose 20+ games every year as his new school enters the Big East.  I can't force the guy to stay here.  If money is all that motivates him, then so be it.  We'll do our best to find someone a little less crazy to be the next coach."
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 10:23:29 AM
to the general public, even to the general Marquette fans, this issue doesn't even exist yet.
ding ding ding
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 10:25:10 AM
Better be Shaka.
Shaka has been very clear about the fact that he's staying at VCU.  I wouldn't get too focused on that idea.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Lens on March 27, 2012, 10:25:15 AM
Or he's not calling the shots and Pilarz and the BOT are.  What I don't get, is what could they possibly know now that they didn't know months ago when the off court issues surfaced?  If all of this is true, they'll have some SERIOUS answering to do.

I've heard rumblings since October (pre-Larry Williams) that Buzz could be leaving and he wouldn't be stopped (the thought being every year our coach could leave but we always entice him to stay).  I still think the best play is for Buzz to dig his heels; MU is not going to fire him and he'll get a raise out of it to placate him.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 10:25:23 AM
To us, it may feel like agony, but to the general public, even to the general Marquette fans, this issue doesn't even exist yet.

Or we think we know something that doesn't exist and the general public/general Marquette fans are smarter than us.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 10:26:19 AM
Or he's not calling the shots and Pilarz and the BOT are.  What I don't get, is what could they possibly know now that they didn't know months ago when the off court issues surfaced?  If all of this is true, they'll have some SERIOUS answering to do.

That's my point on the spin, right now the off court stuff is largely local.  The national media especially for the first time in like 13 years is going ok MU and Buzz are good no carousel activity to worry about there.  If all of a sudden Buzz is taking a giant step down to go to SMU, that creates a lot of attention and is a big media story.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 27, 2012, 10:26:31 AM
One key overlooked factor of all of this - or at least a factor that might have been discussed 30-40 pages ago - is that, to the "average" fan, they:

a) don't know or can't recall anything about the alleged assault
b) if they do know anything, there aren't any specifics out there, hence the MU brand isn't severely damaged
c) hardly anyone other than MU boosters or WI fans know/care about the six tickets reported on last week

So, that being said, for MU to potentially go the way of letting the coach in the name of "saving the brand!" would make no sense at all.

If anything, it would only
a) bring the prior issues to the forefront
b) make MU a joke by releasing Buzz for what aren't deemed issues of his fault (in the public eye at least)
c) frighten off any "name" coaches to come here. After all, "if eveyone loved Buzz and they canned him, why should I step into that sh!tstorm?"


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 10:26:48 AM
Gun to my head, I think there was a small brushfire but the Williams put it out and we're good.
Most likely scenario.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 10:26:53 AM
Or he's not calling the shots and Pilarz and the BOT are.  What I don't get, is what could they possibly know now that they didn't know months ago when the off court issues surfaced?  If all of this is true, they'll have some SERIOUS answering to do.

Well...personally, I think that regardless. So maybe more accurately, LW, Pilarz, and the BOT have someone in mind that they think the fans would embrace immediately and wouldn't lead to a step down.

As far as issues...if the reports that some have put forth that this has been brewing for months, maybe they were just waiting until the end of the season. Would have been rather shocking to dismiss Buzz in January, especially as they'd likely have had to install Benford as caretaker and not been able to announce a splashy hire to appease the major donors shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 10:28:55 AM
I know how to spin it: "The guy left for S-M-freakin'-U.  13-19, 11th place in CUSA SMU.  What do you want me to say?  He must have been tired of all the winning he was doing here and wanted a chance to lose 20+ games every year as his new school enters the Big East.  I can't force the guy to stay here.  If money is all that motivates him, then so be it.  We'll do our best to find someone a little less crazy to be the next coach."

Thats the initial spin, but Buzz also has something to say and based on Buzz so far I don't think he would have any hesitation to put "the truth" out there, and that's the thing MU would have spin problems with.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 10:29:34 AM
One key overlooked factor of all of this - or at least a factor that might have been discussed 30-40 pages ago - is that, to the "average" fan, they:

a) don't know or can't recall anything about the alleged assault
b) if they do know anything, there aren't any specifics out there, hence the MU brand isn't severely damaged
c) hardly anyone other than MU boosters or WI fans know/care about the six tickets reported on last week

So, that being said, for MU to potentially go the way of letting the coach in the name of "saving the brand!" would make no sense at all.

If anything, it would only
a) bring the prior issues to the forefront
b) make MU a joke by releasing Buzz for what aren't deemed issues of his fault (in the public eye at least)
c) frighten off any "name" coaches to come here. After all, "if eveyone loved Buzz and they canned him, why should I step into that sh!tstorm?"




+1, my thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 27, 2012, 10:29:58 AM
Thats the initial spin, but Buzz also has something to say and based on Buzz so far I don't think he would have any hesitation to put "the truth" out there, and that's the thing MU would have spin problems with.

True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 10:31:04 AM
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.

Exactly. Given all the connections that Buzz has, he is definitely not one to burn bridges.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 10:31:07 AM
Thats the initial spin, but Buzz also has something to say and based on Buzz so far I don't think he would have any hesitation to put "the truth" out there, and that's the thing MU would have spin problems with.
Then you follow up with: "The guy wanted to be god, but since I worked for Notre Dame I was forced to memorize Rudy so I know '1) there is a God, and 2) neither Buzz nor I are him'"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: NersEllenson on March 27, 2012, 10:31:14 AM
I know how to spin it: "The guy left for S-M-freakin'-U.  13-19, 11th place in CUSA SMU.  What do you want me to say?  He must have been tired of all the winning he was doing here and wanted a chance to lose 20+ games every year as his new school enters the Big East.  I can't force the guy to stay here.  If money is all that motivates him, then so be it.  We'll do our best to find someone a little less crazy to be the next coach."

TJ - This isn't 1 penny about money.  Not 1 penny about money.  Who is responsible for "all the winning he was doing here??"  Think Buzz is responsible for that?  Think that will change if he goes to SMU and can recruit within Texas all he wants, without all of the ignorance of some in the MU BOT/Admin, and not have to deal with a witch hunt local newspaper/police force like the MJS and MPD??  If Buzz goes to SMU, SMU will be a Top 5 Big East Team in 4 years, and in all likelihood MU will be a bottom feeder in the Big East..unless somehow MU can land Shaka Smart...which I think is a LONG, LONG, LONG shot.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 10:31:36 AM
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.

Yeah but New Orleans wasn't a national story.  Buzz leaving MU to go to SMU is a NATIONAL story for both parties especially given how quiet things have been nationally compared to even last year.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 10:32:17 AM
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.
There was a lawsuit pending with New Orleans.  He couldn't get into specifics.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 10:32:46 AM
[quote author=mu03eng link=topic=31777.msg379964#msg379964

If Larry is a smart guy, unless there is some bad stuff about the program that hasn't come out yet there is no way he could let Buzz go.
[/quote]

From a macro perspective, this is the only thing that makes sense if Buzz goes to SMU.

Pilarz and Larry are presumably smart guys. I don't think they would give up a cash cow like Buzz simply because they "don't get along". Nor do I think Buzz would leave MU and the roster he has to go to SMU simply because he doesn't like his new boss. Buzz has coached EVERYWHERE. He's had lots of bosses. He knows how to handle them.

We'll never know, but if he leaves, my gut is that there is some more serious stuff under the surface, and maybe it is best if everybody does just move on.

If he's back, I hope MU continues to use the team as a marketing/outreach program for the school. I've met most of the players at various meet and greets, and they seem like decent kids.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Daniel on March 27, 2012, 10:33:01 AM
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.

I do not think Buzz would ever bad-mouth Marquette. Period. I just don't ever see him doing that. Ever.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 10:34:01 AM
Shaka has been very clear about the fact that he's staying at VCU.  I wouldn't get too focused on that idea.

Yeah sure, cause coaches are always truthful. I'd still doubt it, but I'm just making the point that if the administration is really pushing Buzz out then they better hell have great hire waiting in the wings that they are already talking to.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 10:34:45 AM
Add... Don't worry though because we think we have the inside track to hire one of the hottest young coaches around... Yep you guessed it. Brian F'n Wardle. Currently tearing it up at UW-GB, signing 7 footers left and right, in addition to a few 5 footers.


That's not really a joke, maybe a bit of Oliver Stone mixed with the book of Revelation, but not a joke since its conceivable that it could happen.
A) They have a seven footer and 2 guys who are listed in the 5 ft range (one of them might actually be 4'11")
B) If Buzz is forced out for failing to control guys, there is no way they could bring in anyone who would actually go after any inner city talent. One incident under a new coach within the first year and it becomes an institutional problem in the media, meaning School/AD can't handle it. The only way they could minimize that risk is to raise admission requirements like a Northwestern (maybe ND?). That means the new coach wouldn't be touching MPS or CPS on a regular basis. The coach would be forced to recruit against ND, Northwestern, and Stanford in the Chicago and Milwaukee burbs. At that point realistically your only name candidate is Chris Collins (who people said would be interested in Northwestern) and your backup candidate is Brian Wardle. If you were to raise that bar and an incident happened, it would be browsed over by the media. Shades of gray in that being racist, stereotyping, etc.. but it's the only way they could go if Buzz was forced out.  
C) Adding to the conspiracy is that Brian was on campus/at the game for senior day (or the game before that), pretty easy for LW to give him an informal interview at that point.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Norm on March 27, 2012, 10:35:08 AM
Just a quick comparison of the two programs:

SMU
96 seasons: 1202-1149, .511
9 20+ win seasons
10 NCAA appearances
1 Final Four (1956)
2 NITs
Moody Coliseum capacity: 8,998

Marquette
95 seasons: 1494-913, .621
33 20+ win seasons
30 NCAA appearances
3 Final Fours (1974, 1977, 2003)
1 NCAA Championship (1977)
1 NCAA Runner Up (1974)
16 Sweet 16's
15 NITs (1 Championship - 1970)
Bradley Center capacity: 18,850
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: jaybilaswho? on March 27, 2012, 10:35:53 AM
TJ - This isn't 1 penny about money.  Not 1 penny about money.  Who is responsible for "all the winning he was doing here??"  Think Buzz is responsible for that?  Think that will change if he goes to SMU and can recruit within Texas all he wants, without all of the ignorance of some in the MU BOT/Admin, and not have to deal with a witch hunt local newspaper/police force like the MJS and MPD??  If Buzz goes to SMU, SMU will be a Top 5 Big East Team in 4 years, and in all likelihood MU will be a bottom feeder in the Big East..unless somehow MU can land Shaka Smart...which I think is a LONG, LONG, LONG shot.

Do Texas schools treat their basketball programs with as much of a "win at all costs" mentality as they do with their football programs? you know within the confines of the NCAA rulebook.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 10:36:08 AM
TJ - This isn't 1 penny about money.  Not 1 penny about money.  Who is responsible for "all the winning he was doing here??"  Think Buzz is responsible for that?  Think that will change if he goes to SMU and can recruit within Texas all he wants, without all of the ignorance of some in the MU BOT/Admin, and not have to deal with a witch hunt local newspaper/police force like the MJS and MPD??  If Buzz goes to SMU, SMU will be a Top 5 Big East Team in 4 years, and in all likelihood MU will be a bottom feeder in the Big East..unless somehow MU can land Shaka Smart...which I think is a LONG, LONG, LONG shot.

Seems perfectly rational.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 27, 2012, 10:36:14 AM
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.

I believe neither Buzz nor UNO could discuss any specifics per their settlement agreement.  Just how those things normally work.  

IF Buzz were to leave, it would be much the same.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 10:36:39 AM
Just a quick comparison of the two programs:

SMU
96 seasons: 1202-1149, .511
9 20+ win seasons
10 NCAA appearances
1 Final Four (1956)
2 NITs
Moody Coliseum capacity: 8,998

Marquette
95 seasons: 1494-913, .621
33 20+ win seasons
30 NCAA appearances
3 Final Fours (1974, 1977, 2003)
1 NCAA Championship (1977)
1 NCAA Runner Up (1974)
16 Sweet 16's
15 NITs (1 Championship - 1970)
Bradley Center capacity: 18,850


SMU: AD and Prez that want him a lot
MU: AD and Prez that don't seem to care if he stays or not.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 10:38:30 AM
Uh oh. I am hearing things that leads me to believe buzz isn't going to be here. He is handling this better than TC is but it is but it is stretching out the process. Have a feeling goose and muguru were right about how this has been brewing for awhile...even prior to LW being here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 10:38:40 AM
TJ - This isn't 1 penny about money.  Not 1 penny about money.  Who is responsible for "all the winning he was doing here??"  Think Buzz is responsible for that?  Think that will change if he goes to SMU and can recruit within Texas all he wants, without all of the ignorance of some in the MU BOT/Admin, and not have to deal with a witch hunt local newspaper/police force like the MJS and MPD??  If Buzz goes to SMU, SMU will be a Top 5 Big East Team in 4 years, and in all likelihood MU will be a bottom feeder in the Big East..unless somehow MU can land Shaka Smart...which I think is a LONG, LONG, LONG shot.

I know you LOOOOOVEEEE buzz, but seriously. Top 5? He'll be competing with UT, A&M, Kansas, Oklahahoma and every other freaking school (its freaking Texas, they dont all lean to the in-state schools - especially ones with ZERO history or proof of success). I don't know how MU will do, but if we can keep the majority of the current team, we should be fine with a new coach and have a chance to build momentum with him (a la Buzz).
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: NersEllenson on March 27, 2012, 10:39:02 AM
SMU: AD and Prez that want him a lot
MU: AD and Prez that don't seem to care if he stays or not.
Ding
Ding
Ding
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 10:39:42 AM
TJ - This isn't 1 penny about money.  Not 1 penny about money.  Who is responsible for "all the winning he was doing here??"  Think Buzz is responsible for that?  Think that will change if he goes to SMU and can recruit within Texas all he wants, without all of the ignorance of some in the MU BOT/Admin, and not have to deal with a witch hunt local newspaper/police force like the MJS and MPD??  If Buzz goes to SMU, SMU will be a Top 5 Big East Team in 4 years, and in all likelihood MU will be a bottom feeder in the Big East..unless somehow MU can land Shaka Smart...which I think is a LONG, LONG, LONG shot.
HA!!!  Good stuff.  Sadly I think you're being serious.

SMU doesn't suddenly get UT's recruits because they have Buzz.  SMU doesn't suddenly ease their admissions requirements because they have Buzz.  SMU doesn't suddenly jump up to anything better than 5th best program in the state of Texas just because they have Buzz.  You don't think there will be scrutiny placed on a basketball coach making almost $3M per year?  Nothing would get easier for him; everything would be significantly harder.  I personally am a big fan of Buzz and I actually think he could slowly but surely make it work, but there will be no overnight success at SMU - with or without Buzz.  

And your Pollyanna attitude about Marquette is disturbing.  I'm glad you have such faith in Marquette that you think MU will fall to bottom feeder immediately.  The program is bigger than one man.  MU will be fine either way, even if there is a short setback.

Finally, I personally don't think this is anything but a big overreaction to nothing and I don't think Buzz is all about money.  My post was a response to the question "How do you spin it if you're LW and Buzz leaves?"  Take it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 27, 2012, 10:40:51 AM
I know you LOOOOOVEEEE buzz, but seriously. Top 5? He'll be competing with UT, A&M, Kansas, Oklahahoma and every other freaking school (its freaking Texas, they dont all lean to the in-state schools - especially ones with ZERO history or proof of success). I don't know how MU will do, but if we can keep the majority of the current team, we should be fine with a new coach and have a chance to build momentum with him (a la Buzz).

If Buzz leaves there will be an exodus of current players and recruits, it will be ugly for the next couple of years.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 10:41:15 AM
Uh oh. I am hearing things that leads me to believe buzz isn't going to be here. He is handling this better than TC is but it is but it is stretching out the process. Have a feeling goose and muguru were right about how this has been brewing for awhile...even prior to LW being here.

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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 10:41:35 AM
SMU: AD and Prez that want him a lot
MU: AD and Prez that don't seem to care if he stays or not.

Based on...internet rumors?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 10:42:29 AM
Yeah sure, cause coaches are always truthful. I'd still doubt it, but I'm just making the point that if the administration is really pushing Buzz out then they better hell have great hire waiting in the wings that they are already talking to.
And I'm saying that you should look at Illinois if you want to put Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens on the top of your list.  Public/media reaction to nonissues like missing on your first two coaching candidates can be swift and harsh.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 10:42:45 AM
Based on...internet rumors?

Haha, seriously :)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 27, 2012, 10:43:48 AM
C) Adding to the conspiracy is that Brian was on campus/at the game for senior day (or the game before that), pretty easy for LW to give him an informal interview at that point.


I did find it odd he was there on senior day...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 27, 2012, 10:44:04 AM
I've heard rumblings since October (pre-Larry Williams) that Buzz could be leaving and he wouldn't be stopped (the thought being every year our coach could leave but we always entice him to stay).  I still think the best play is for Buzz to dig his heels; MU is not going to fire him and he'll get a raise out of it to placate him.

Do you know anything deeper than that?

October isn't so far from April and it makes me wonder if the seat was getting itchy in the Autumn why wasn't it itchy enough to take a somewhat attractive job with Oklahoma or A&M? What happened over the summer?

Seemingly, from the outside, it looked like Buzz had handled the transition from Crean and was really setting a foundation last season and this season. He knows what he could do but the feeling of being undermined won't take long to rot that foundation and it seems to have been a matter of months rather than years in that rotting.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: NersEllenson on March 27, 2012, 10:44:08 AM
I know you LOOOOOVEEEE buzz, but seriously. Top 5? He'll be competing with UT, A&M, Kansas, Oklahahoma and every other freaking school (its freaking Texas, they dont all lean to the in-state schools - especially ones with ZERO history or proof of success). I don't know how MU will do, but if we can keep the majority of the current team, we should be fine with a new coach and have a chance to build momentum with him (a la Buzz).

Many here continue to underestimate the just how much pull Buzz has with his players, players families, former players, etc.  Blue Chip recruits don't choose a school because of the school...they go to the school due to the coach.  Period.  Buzz can easily sell his track record at MU to recruits in Texas to get them to come to SMU.  Hell, he has to recruit nationally to get MU competitive - in Texas, he could probably just recruit regionally.  And...I can tell you it will be highly unlikely we will keep ANY of the incoming recruits..Burton, Wilson, Taylor, Taylor, etc..if Buzz leaves.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 10:44:41 AM
Based on...internet rumors?
Would we really have a 64 page thread if it was more than rumors?  This isn't K-State, A&M, or Oklahoma we are talking about, this is f**king SMU.  If you let Buzz go to SMU you are telling the world you didn't really want him.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysChestHair on March 27, 2012, 10:44:51 AM

Anything less than Phil Jackson and there's gonna be a riot.

Is it a conflict of interest for your head coach to be on the board?  Hopefully Doc is ready to step down for a move to Milwaukee or I agree about the riots.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 10:45:04 AM
MU: AD and Prez that don't seem to care if he stays or not.
according to anonymous internet message board postings, inferences based on nothing, rumor, hearsay, and nothing else.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Freeport Warrior on March 27, 2012, 10:46:06 AM
I'm sitting next to an old, rich alum waiting to get on a plane and he just told his buddy that Buzz is gone according to his source in admin. Said buzz had another heated meeting with Williams. Ugh.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 10:47:21 AM
How in the world would it make any sense that Buzz was on his way out BEFORE the moves in the administration?  So, the new AD and/or prez were told Buzz must be removed as coach at the end of the year in order for you to get this job?  I have my doubts about that.  Buzz didn't get along with Cottingham/Wilde?  Well, they're gone now.  That doesn't make one bit of sense.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 10:48:04 AM
Many here continue to underestimate the just how much pull Buzz has with his players, players families, former players, etc.  Blue Chip recruits don't choose a school because of the school...they go to the school due to the coach.  Period.  Buzz can easily sell his track record at MU to recruits in Texas to get them to come to SMU.  Hell, he has to recruit nationally to get MU competitive - in Texas, he could probably just recruit regionally.  And...I can tell you it will be highly unlikely we will keep ANY of the incoming recruits..Burton, Wilson, Taylor, Taylor, etc..if Buzz leaves.

Blue Chips recruits have NEVER committed to Buzz. Buzz recruited as well as he did because he had MU to recruit them to. Let's see what he does for a bottom feeder CUSA team - its much harder than it looks.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 10:49:07 AM
Blue Chips recruits have NEVER committed to Buzz. Buzz recruited as well as he did because he had MU to recruit them to. Let's see what he does for a bottom feeder CUSA team - its much harder than it looks.

Harder?  Yes
Impossible?  No
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 10:49:28 AM
And I'm saying that you should look at Illinois if you want to put Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens on the top of your list.  Public/media reaction to nonissues like missing on your first two coaching candidates can be swift and harsh.

If Buzz is pushed out, Shaka is not walking through that door. Don't even mention Brad Stevens. It's Chris Collins if he would take it under the new rules put in place and Brian if he doesn't. While I cringe at the thought of Chris Collins, and know he would absolutely use us as a stepping stone, I'm just not ready for the Brian Wardle experiment.

That's all made up in my head too, I don't have sources.


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 10:50:54 AM
How in the world would it make any sense that Buzz was on his way out BEFORE the moves in the administration?  So, the new AD and/or prez were told Buzz must be removed as coach at the end of the year in order for you to get this job?  I have my doubts about that.  Buzz didn't get along with Cottingham/Wilde?  Well, they're gone now.  That doesn't make one bit of sense.

Well, Pilarz and Larry might have the same plan/vision for MU (as Wild/Cottingham), and that might not jive with Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 10:52:02 AM
I'm finding it quite difficult to remain optimistic.  Too many posters who are typically reasonable and reliable are chiming in now.  There's a whole lot of smoke out there.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2012, 10:52:11 AM
Wardle hasn't done stink yet to command a job of this caliber. I would hope higher profile candidates would emerge.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 10:52:32 AM
Blue Chips recruits have NEVER committed to Buzz. Buzz recruited as well as he did because he had MU to recruit them to. Let's see what he does for a bottom feeder CUSA team - its much harder than it looks.

I actually heard SMU is going to put "Buzz" on the front of the jerseys instead of SMU.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 27, 2012, 10:52:53 AM
HA!!!  Good stuff.  Sadly I think you're being serious.

SMU doesn't suddenly get UT's recruits because they have Buzz.  SMU doesn't suddenly ease their admissions requirements because they have Buzz.  SMU doesn't suddenly jump up to anything better than 5th best program in the state of Texas just because they have Buzz.  You don't think there will be scrutiny placed on a basketball coach making almost $3M per year?  Nothing would get easier for him; everything would be significantly harder.  I personally am a big fan of Buzz and I actually think he could slowly but surely make it work, but there will be no overnight success at SMU - with or without Buzz.  


This just in, all but maybe 5-7 programs are based mostly on the coach. The other 5-7 are built-in brands that have a leg-up no matter what (IU, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc).

To say out of one side of your mouth that Buzz is a really great coach, but then poo poo his chances of being successful at SMU when he has shown he is successful at M freakin U is disengenous at best and moronic at worst.

Yeah, it's SMU, but so what? Buzz isn't an unproven commodity like he was when he got to MU. He had to work hard to convince kids to come here. Now, if he leaves? He has three kids that he coached in the NBA - two of whom were first rounders and one was an undrafted free agent who would have never gotten the opportunity had the former coach stuck around. Throw in the fact his love for the kids, the fact he has played a key role in turning "nice" players into stars (Butler, Hayward, Williams, Crowder, DJO)? I mean... just because there are other schools in Texas doesn't mean Buzz would suck there.

He's been recruiting nationally at MU. Why would he now fail just because he's physically located in the south? That makes zero sense.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2012, 10:54:18 AM
I hate everyone in this thread.  That includes myself.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pony in DC on March 27, 2012, 10:54:57 AM
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Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 10:55:22 AM
How in the world would it make any sense that Buzz was on his way out BEFORE the moves in the administration?  So, the new AD and/or prez were told Buzz must be removed as coach at the end of the year in order for you to get this job?  I have my doubts about that.  Buzz didn't get along with Cottingham/Wilde?  Well, they're gone now.  That doesn't make one bit of sense.

Hypothetically, because it's coming from the BOT. They saw a problem with S-Cot and Buzz, and knew Wilde was on his way out. So they found replacements that would be okay with making a change at the most visible position at the University, and would be okay with pushing out the most popular coach MU has had since Al McGuire.

Again, I don't know any of this for certain, but I highly doubt that this started with LW. I just can't picture him being foolish enough to try to make his name on Buzz's scalp. If Buzz is truly being pushed out, it's coming from above LW, and it's coming from people who think they can replace Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 27, 2012, 10:56:38 AM
If Buzz goes to SMU, he'll be there for a few years and make progress with the program and then move on to the next big gig that opens up.  If he continues to make progress at SMU it will certainly start a fire under Barnes's seat at UT.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 10:56:59 AM
Do you think MU would have the guts to publicly push Buzz out? I think Buzz staying will piss off some insiders but he is in the drivers seat. Last info I heard was not to worry...but think the thing is subject to change depending on the moment.

I still have high level of confidence he stays. That said, until something publicly is said I am worried.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 10:57:28 AM
This just in, all but maybe 5-7 programs are based mostly on the coach. The other 5-7 are built-in brands that have a leg-up no matter what (IU, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc).

To say out of one side of your mouth that Buzz is a really great coach, but then poo poo his chances of being successful at SMU when he has shown he is successful at M freakin U is disengenous at best and moronic at worst.

Yeah, it's SMU, but so what? Buzz isn't an unproven commodity like he was when he got to MU. He had to work hard to convince kids to come here. Now, if he leaves? He has three kids that he coached in the NBA - two of whom were first rounders and one was an undrafted free agent who would have never gotten the opportunity had the former coach stuck around. Throw in the fact his love for the kids, the fact he has played a key role in turning "nice" players into stars (Butler, Hayward, Williams, Crowder, DJO)? I mean... just because there are other schools in Texas doesn't mean Buzz would suck there.

He's been recruiting nationally at MU. Why would he now fail just because he's physically located in the south? That makes zero sense.


Buzz could also sell them on the fact that he took a small, private, urban university and made them into a nationally-recognized program. Honestly, how many 16-year-old ballers in Texas are even remotely familiar with MU's basketball tradition, other than knowing DWade went there?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU20 on March 27, 2012, 10:57:54 AM
He wont go anywhere with the contract we are hearing...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 10:58:10 AM
True, but he didn't get into specifics about New Orleans. Don't forget that.

He left New Orleans because they lied to him. He took a lesser job because he wouldn't put up with New Orleans not keeping their committments. If he leaves MU for a lesser job like SMU I'd say this is New Orleans part deaux.

Given that, expect a freefall for the program. Whether it bottoms out in mediocrity or some post apolyptic nuclear winter - who knows? But it will be bad - real bad.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: NersEllenson on March 27, 2012, 10:58:56 AM
Blue Chips recruits have NEVER committed to Buzz. Buzz recruited as well as he did because he had MU to recruit them to. Let's see what he does for a bottom feeder CUSA team - its much harder than it looks.

Sorry - we have more Top 100 kids in the program and committed to the program in the future than ever before.  Listen, I love MU basketball, and have for 25 years - but it is NOT the university that is the drawing card for these kids.  It is the coach.  Period.  McGuire, O'Neill, Crean, Buzz.  These guys had/have it...and in my view Al and Buzz are almost comparable...Crean and K.O. comparable.  There have been plenty of other coaches at MU who couldn't get it done.

Buzz will absolutely get it done if he goes to SMU or anywhere else for that matter.  They guy is relentless, hard working, sincere, and a very good basketball coach and recruiter.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 10:59:02 AM
Buzz could also sell them on the fact that he took a small, private, urban university and made them into a nationally-recognized program. Honestly, how many 16-year-old ballers in Texas are even remotely familiar with MU's basketball tradition, other than knowing DWade went there?


What 16-year old ballers from Texas were alive when SMU was relevant in anything?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 10:59:07 AM
Hypothetically, because it's coming from the BOT. They saw a problem with S-Cot and Buzz, and knew Wilde was on his way out. So they found replacements that would be okay with making a change at the most visible position at the University, and would be okay with pushing out the most popular coach MU has had since Al McGuire.

Again, I don't know any of this for certain, but I highly doubt that this started with LW. I just can't picture him being foolish enough to try to make his name on Buzz's scalp. If Buzz is truly being pushed out, it's coming from above LW, and it's coming from people who think they can replace Buzz.

The BOT, the one's who gave us "Gold".  I have a lot of faith in them!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 11:00:30 AM
He wont go anywhere with the contract we are hearing...

I think this has less to do with contracts and more to do with politics.  It's a power-play, but what will Buzz do if the MU administration calls his bluff?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 27, 2012, 11:00:43 AM
Fyi, buzz had a top 50 recruiting class at uno. He can get it done wherever he goes.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 27, 2012, 11:01:02 AM
He left New Orleans because they lied to him. He took a lesser job because he wouldn't put up with New Orleans not keeping their committments. If he leaves MU for a lesser job like SMU I'd say this is New Orleans part deaux.

Given that, expect a freefall for the program. Whether it bottoms out in mediocrity or some post apolyptic nuclear winter - who knows? But it will be bad - real bad.

Jeff Goodman ripped Kansas State's AD for not putting up a fight with Frank Martin.

I cannot wait for the media drubbing Marquette is going to take for pushing Buzz out considering he's got quite a few friends in the industry and they'll no doubt have an inside tack as to what really happened.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 11:01:32 AM
Buzz has better things to do than to spend time dispelling every rumor that comes up about him.  Just like we have better things to do than overreact about every freakin' rumor that comes up about Buzz.  The Grambling State coaching position is open - should Buzz hold a press conference to say he's not interested?

Um well Grambling State isn't being rumored to be in discussions with Buzz. So try another comparison.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 27, 2012, 11:01:36 AM
does not matter - the recruits committ to a coach, recruits love Buzz...    crowder and DJO did not even set foot on campus prior to comitting to Buzz...

Buzz will win anywhere he chooses to be employed...


What 16-year old ballers from Texas were alive when SMU was relevant in anything?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 11:01:49 AM
Hypothetically, because it's coming from the BOT. They saw a problem with S-Cot and Buzz, and knew Wilde was on his way out. So they found replacements that would be okay with making a change at the most visible position at the University, and would be okay with pushing out the most popular coach MU has had since Al McGuire.

Again, I don't know any of this for certain, but I highly doubt that this started with LW. I just can't picture him being foolish enough to try to make his name on Buzz's scalp. If Buzz is truly being pushed out, it's coming from above LW, and it's coming from people who think they can replace Buzz.

This is prob. true.

And again, if the BOT is really interested in getting a new coach, there is something we don't know.

I would never accuse the BOT or MU of being a bunch of rocket scientists, but if they are making a decision like this, it has nothing to do with dancing at WV, or lame articles in the JS. It has to be something bigger than that.

The stuff that has happened (that we know about) is easily cleaned up with a couple of winning years and no issues.

There has to be more.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 11:01:52 AM
Sorry - we have more Top 100 kids in the program and committed to the program in the future than ever before.  Listen, I love MU basketball, and have for 25 years - but it is NOT the university that is the drawing card for these kids.  It is the coach.  Period.  McGuire, O'Neill, Crean, Buzz.  These guys had/have it...and in my view Al and Buzz are almost comparable...Crean and K.O. comparable.  There have been plenty of other coaches at MU who couldn't get it done.

Buzz will absolutely get it done if he goes to SMU or anywhere else for that matter.  They guy is relentless, hard working, sincere, and a very good basketball coach and recruiter.

Please stop your Buzz crush and realize that A LOT of very good coaches have attempted to jump ship to try to rebuild a program and failed. You act as though he can do it with a snap of his fingers.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 11:02:08 AM
I heard about friction going back to last fall. This is not a LW power play in my opinion. The school has determine if the risk is worth the reward, both on and off the court. MU has to protect the brand and obviously any negative from the program makes them nervous. I do get that but unless they are holding back other issues they may be erroring too far on the side of caution.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 27, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
Wardle hasn't done stink yet to command a job of this caliber. I would hope higher profile candidates would emerge.

But they will not.  If this story plays out as it appears to be, Buzz is being given a cold shoulder, jumping off the bus to a mid-major team.  This would be a death blow to Marquette's program.

What major coach would agree to coaching for MU, when a guy didn't get support after massive athletic success who also talks about "character" all the time?

If it wasn't for the 5x raise Wardle would get, he'd turn it down too.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Norm on March 27, 2012, 11:02:54 AM
I don't know what is going to happen, and have no inside source whatsoever. But too many people here are assuming if he leaves that he was "forced" out or shown the door by Williams and Pilarz. IF, IF he leaves to take the SMU job, maybe its because he wants to go, despite anything Williams and Pilarz offer him? Maybe he has some new demands that the MU Admin is not willing to meet? And my guess is we'll probably never know the real reason if it turns out he does leave. He left his first job after 1 year, and if he leaves now, he'll leave his second job after 4 years. All I'm saying is while many want to entirely blame Williams and Pilarz, maybe this situation is also due to Buzz as well. But the speculation sure is fun, huh?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 11:03:13 AM
The BOT, the one's who gave us "Gold".  I have a lot of faith in them!

Not saying their plan is a good one, just saying that I'm confident they have one in place. Past history would indicate there's every possibility it backfires on them.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 11:03:39 AM
Wardle hasn't done stink yet to command a job of this caliber. I would hope higher profile candidates would emerge.
Name a head coach in a horizon level or above conference who would come to a program that:
A) Just pushed out Buzz.
B) Will be restricting you to recruit only student-athletes with a certain level ACT score
C) Just pushed out Buzz F'n Williams!!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 11:03:43 AM
Starting to think Crean's departure was better for me now.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Man in Gold on March 27, 2012, 11:04:02 AM
So I leave for 5 days and I miss 62 pages of comments.  Must be silly season...

Do we have a highlights thread going for those who want to catch up before we start repeat rumor mongering?

I assume it goes like this ...

SMU = #1
Marquette/Milwaukee = Small, Dirty, Cold
Buzz = Dis-heartened/Annoyed
SMU > MU, Texas > WI, Ponies > Golden Eagles (Well they had to get one right)

Did I miss anything?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 11:05:04 AM
But they will not.  If this story plays out as it appears to be, Buzz is being given a cold shoulder, jumping off the bus to a mid-major team.  This would be a death blow to Marquette's program.

What major coach would agree to coaching for MU, when a guy didn't get support after massive athletic success who also talks about "character" all the time?

If it wasn't for the 5x raise Wardle would get, he'd turn it down too.

One who likes money and having his name associated with a Big East school.

Wasn't Chicos always pushing for Chris Lowery? He's available!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Freeport Warrior on March 27, 2012, 11:05:34 AM
If this tumbles, we do have a nice option being currently explored.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ATWizJr on March 27, 2012, 11:05:59 AM
Do you know anything deeper than that?

October isn't so far from April and it makes me wonder if the seat was getting itchy in the Autumn why wasn't it itchy enough to take a somewhat attractive job with Oklahoma or A&M? What happened over the summer?

Seemingly, from the outside, it looked like Buzz had handled the transition from Crean and was really setting a foundation last season and this season. He knows what he could do but the feeling of being undermined won't take long to rot that foundation and it seems to have been a matter of months rather than years in that rotting.
I had read reports that the problem was Buzz's buyout when OK and A&M openedup.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 11:06:37 AM
If Buzz were to leave, which I do not believe, we would have zero chance of hiring anyone of quality. This situation would be beyond a major blow to the university. I believe the school believes that the vast majority of fans would embrace a Wardle type of coach.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 11:06:49 AM
The BOT, the one's who gave us "Gold".  I have a lot of faith in them!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcrEl_r8xEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcrEl_r8xEE)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 27, 2012, 11:06:57 AM
Please stop your Buzz crush and realize that A LOT of very good coaches have attempted to jump ship to try to rebuild a program and failed. You act as though he can do it with a snap of his fingers.

May not happen at the snap of his fingers, but at least a lot of us are willing to give the guy credit for what he's done. He does have a track record, you know.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 11:07:35 AM
But they will not.  If this story plays out as it appears to be, Buzz is being given a cold shoulder, jumping off the bus to a mid-major team.  This would be a death blow to Marquette's program.

What major coach would agree to coaching for MU, when a guy didn't get support after massive athletic success who also talks about "character" all the time?

If it wasn't for the 5x raise Wardle would get, he'd turn it down too.

What major coach is going to come in with the order to babysit your players 24/7 and keep them from committing even the smallest infraction or you'll be shown the door?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 11:07:42 AM
If Buzz is pushed out, Shaka is not walking through that door. Don't even mention Brad Stevens. It's Chris Collins if he would take it under the new rules put in place and Brian if he doesn't. While I cringe at the thought of Chris Collins, and know he would absolutely use us as a stepping stone, I'm just not ready for the Brian Wardle experiment.

That's all made up in my head too, I don't have sources.
Hey, I'm the one making that point.  Say that to whoever I just replied to.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: NersEllenson on March 27, 2012, 11:07:54 AM
Please stop your Buzz crush and realize that A LOT of very good coaches have attempted to jump ship to try to rebuild a program and failed. You act as though he can do it with a snap of his fingers.

Sadly your viewpoints on the matter seem to mesh with what could be the inflated ego of those on the Board of Trustees that feel MU is the calling card and reason Buzz has been successful.  As has been pointed out, Jae Crowder and DJO came here without ever visiting MU...Gee...think Buzz doesn't have any clout or influence to where he will be so handicapped by SMU's "tradition" that kids won't want to go play at a school in a warm weather, growing city, that has some of the most beautiful girls in the entire world..and they get to still play in the Big East, Madison Square Garden...and Buzz can come back to MU and likely kick MU's ass in hoops annually?  Just watch it all unfold if he leaves for SMU...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 27, 2012, 11:07:59 AM
I heard about friction going back to last fall. This is not a LW power play in my opinion. The school has determine if the risk is worth the reward, both on and off the court. MU has to protect the brand and obviously any negative from the program makes them nervous. I do get that but unless they are holding back other issues they may be erroring too far on the side of caution.

Just to confirm, this is a school that backed off of "Warriors" because it offended like 35 people, right?

Thanks.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
I don't know what is going to happen, and have no inside source whatsoever. But too many people here are assuming if he leaves that he was "forced" out or shown the door by Williams and Pilarz. IF, IF he leaves to take the SMU job, maybe its because he wants to go, despite anything Williams and Pilarz offer him? Maybe he has some new demands that the MU Admin is not willing to meet? And my guess is we'll probably never know the real reason if it turns out he does leave. He left his first job after 1 year, and if he leaves now, he'll leave his second job after 4 years. All I'm saying is while many want to entirely blame Williams and Pilarz, maybe this situation is also due to Buzz as well. But the speculation sure is fun, huh?

There are a lot of people on this board who are heavily invested in the "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" schtick.  For some of those people, it will be easier to blame this on the University that they loved long before Buzz arrived (and hopefully will love long after he goes -- whenever that is) than to admit that they fell for a line.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 11:09:19 AM
Just to confirm, this is a school that backed off of "Warriors" because it offended like 35 people, right?

Thanks.


42 people. Get your facts straight!


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 11:09:29 AM
If this tumbles, we do have a nice option being currently explored.

"Hi Shaka, do you want to your little dance with us in public for 5 minutes and make us look even more stupid?"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Norm on March 27, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
If Buzz were to leave, which I do not believe, we would have zero chance of hiring anyone of quality. This situation would be beyond a major blow to the university. I believe the school believes that the vast majority of fans would embrace a Wardle type of coach.
Who would you consider a quality hire?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 11:10:36 AM
There are a lot of people on this board who are heavily invested in the "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" schtick.  For some of those people, it will be easier to blame this on the University that they loved long before Buzz arrived (and hopefully will love long after he goes -- whenever that is) than to admit that they fell for a line.

Oh man, I can't wait until SMU wins more games than MU and Buzz freaks come out and show MU how they were wrong.  ::)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 11:10:58 AM
There are a lot of people on this board who are heavily invested in the "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" schtick.  For some of those people, it will be easier to blame this on the University that they loved long before Buzz arrived (and hopefully will love long after he goes -- whenever that is) than to admit that they fell for a line.

Thinking back on it, that line is brilliant! No matter when or where he leaves, he's already set it up so that it was because "they" won't have him anymore. It's gold, Jerry! Gold!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 11:11:07 AM
Hey, I'm the one making that point.  Say that to whoever I just replied to.
Too many posts to keep track of....sorry.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 11:11:17 AM
Players are extremely nervous.  They expected a positive resolution by now and aren't getting it. Doesn't mean he is leaving, but this could have been settled by now.  Buzz is clearly negotiating something with someone...SMU, MU...or possibly someone else???  Much different than last year.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 11:11:37 AM
This just in, all but maybe 5-7 programs are based mostly on the coach. The other 5-7 are built-in brands that have a leg-up no matter what (IU, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc).

To say out of one side of your mouth that Buzz is a really great coach, but then poo poo his chances of being successful at SMU when he has shown he is successful at M freakin U is disengenous at best and moronic at worst.

Yeah, it's SMU, but so what? Buzz isn't an unproven commodity like he was when he got to MU. He had to work hard to convince kids to come here. Now, if he leaves? He has three kids that he coached in the NBA - two of whom were first rounders and one was an undrafted free agent who would have never gotten the opportunity had the former coach stuck around. Throw in the fact his love for the kids, the fact he has played a key role in turning "nice" players into stars (Butler, Hayward, Williams, Crowder, DJO)? I mean... just because there are other schools in Texas doesn't mean Buzz would suck there.

He's been recruiting nationally at MU. Why would he now fail just because he's physically located in the south? That makes zero sense.

I don't think he would fail.  I also was replying to a crazy overreaction by Ners that said SMU would be top 5 in the Big East in 5 years with Buzz.  Maybe I used some hyperbole to say that won't happen.  SMU isn't just a simple coach hire away from greatness.  Buzz would do a great job building the program to success, but it wouldn't be overnight.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 11:12:13 AM
Oh man, I can't wait until SMU wins more games than MU and Buzz freaks come out and show MU how they were wrong.  ::)

Or in 2013 when MU loses in the BC by 20 to SMU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 11:12:33 AM
Maybe Larry figures since he went to ND he's an expert on everything and he'll just do that basketball coaching himself in his spare time.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 11:12:36 AM
Thinking back on it, that line is brilliant! No matter when or where he leaves, he's already set it up so that it was because "they" won't have him anymore. It's gold, Jerry! Gold!

Actually, there's a lot of truth to that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: jfmu on March 27, 2012, 11:12:40 AM
Did anyone just get this email:

Quote
Please join Marquette Men's Basketball Head Coach Buzz Williams, staff and team as we celebrate the 2011-12 season!

Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Could be an awkward banquet if this is all true...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
Great quote from Kuma's website.

"Death to Miller and Budweiser... they are over-produced and inferior products that prevent passionate craftsmen from sharing their gifts with all of us."

Terrible quote.  Just cause a beer is mass produced does not mean that it is not well crafted.  If someone took the high life recipe and marketed it as a micro brew made by hippies in Boulder than it would be deemed quality.


I love high life and screw Kuma for telling me what beers I can like and cant.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 11:13:57 AM
Or in 2013 when MU loses in the BC by 20 to SMU.

Holy S. Ners would burn the Bradley Center down.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Clarence on March 27, 2012, 11:14:22 AM
I just got invited to the Awards Banquet on April 11th.  Is this a good sign?


Please join Marquette Men's Basketball Head Coach Buzz Williams, staff and team as we celebrate the 2011-12 season!

 
Wednesday, April 11, 2012

6:30 pm
Mingle with Marquette staff and players
Heavy hors d'oeuvres and cash bar available

7:30 pm
Program and awards ceremony

Price
$35 Adults
$15 Kids age 12 & under
Kids 2 & under are free

1451 Renaissance Place
1451 North Prospect Avenue
Milwaukee, WI
414.272.1451
www.renaissanceplace.com


 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: muguru on March 27, 2012, 11:14:46 AM
I have nothing of substance to add at this point other than the situation seems fluid. At the end of the day, I just don't see Buzz having what it takes inside him to look those kids in the eyes, and tell them he's leaving. Not with the relationship he has with them.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 11:14:59 AM
Oh man, I can't wait until SMU wins more games than MU and Buzz freaks come out and show MU how they were wrong.  ::)

I remember seeing Lamar conference champion t-shirts on campus when Mike Deane took Lamar to the Tourney (as a 16-seed with a below .500 record) the year after being canned by MU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 11:15:02 AM
Um well Grambling State isn't being rumored to be in discussions with Buzz. So try another comparison.
Southern Utah job is open.  Hold a presser to say Buzz isn't interested.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 11:15:09 AM
May not happen at the snap of his fingers, but at least a lot of us are willing to give the guy credit for what he's done. He does have a track record, you know.


I agree, but Buzz didn't make Marquette like some on here are acting. He will not have the Three Amigos to start with at SMU, nor the already built-in hard work, blue-collar character of the team. That is hard to create and Buzz didn't do it by himself.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 27, 2012, 11:15:20 AM
May not happen at the snap of his fingers, but at least a lot of us are willing to give the guy credit for what he's done. He does have a track record, you know.


A track record at MAINTAINING/IMPROVING a high D1 program.  Not a track record of BUILDING a mid-major into a high-major school.

Big difference
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 11:15:27 AM
Email is not a sign, can change like that.  Plus it is the marketing department...  

Just trying to slow down our goal of 100 pages.  Don't fall for it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 27, 2012, 11:16:10 AM
Email is not a sign, can change like that.  Plus it is the marketing department...  

Just trying to slow down our goal of 100 pages.  Don't fall for it.

Agreed.

With the way MU handles crap, take that as a bad sign. They always look to unnatural carnal knowledge things up.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 27, 2012, 11:16:23 AM
IF Buzz were planning on leaving all along....what about Deonte Burton?

I'm not naive enough to think coaches lie all the time but I think a lot of us trust Buzz' character regarding kids. So...if we believe in his character, would we also believe that he would try to get Burton to commit although he was planning on leaving with 1-day to 3-weeks after this announcement?

To me, that says he's being shown the door....you know, if this is true and all.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: swoopem on March 27, 2012, 11:17:27 AM
This whole situation seems like Jimmy Johnson vs. the President of Miami, when he was getting mad at Jimmy/the players for off the field issues and Jimmy told the players- dont worry about him I'll deal with it, just keep doing what your doing and win. I hope Buzz can have a similar outcome...2 national championships

I know our problems are about as comparable to Miami's and MU bball is to SMU bball.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 11:17:37 AM
Maybe Larry figures since he went to ND he's an expert on everything and he'll just do that basketball coaching himself in his spare time.

Not to get off track, but why does everybody keep bringing up larry's ND education?

Do we really think he's trying to destroy MU, or he can't possibly be good at his job because he went to ND?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 11:18:28 AM
This whole situation seems like Jimmy Johnson vs. the President of Miami, when he was getting mad at Jimmy/the players for off the field issues and Jimmy told the players- dont worry about him I'll deal with it, just keep doing what your doing and win. I hope Buzz can have a similar outcome...2 national championships


And 2 Super Bowls!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 11:19:28 AM
Not to get off track, but why does everybody keep bringing up larry's ND education?

Do we really think he's trying to destroy MU, or he can't possibly be good at his job because he went to ND?

Yep.  This reeks of Digger's Revenge!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 11:20:11 AM
There are a lot of people on this board who are heavily invested in the "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" schtick.  For some of those people, it will be easier to blame this on the University that they loved long before Buzz arrived (and hopefully will love long after he goes -- whenever that is) than to admit that they fell for a line.
If he goes, it was abso-figgin-lutely just a line.  "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" <> bolting after 4 years.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 11:20:21 AM
I really miss the days when a long thread was the usual Crean is god/Crean sucks debates.  Can't we go back to those days?   ?-(
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 11:22:12 AM
Another conspiracy thought....They can't fire him as they will have to eat up his contract, but what if they are saying a couple troublemakers need to be shown the door in addition to raised standards of admission.  This would explain the predicament Buzz would be in and almost make it better in his mind to go to SMU than to have to cut some players. By some players, there is obviously one who sticks out, and probably any others involved in last years incident.
There might be also a chance he wouldn't be able to take some/all of the guys coming in over the next two years if they can't get past admissions.


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 11:22:39 AM
Holy S. Ners would burn the Bradley Center down.
Because he was so excited that his man-crush Buzz won the game?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 11:23:12 AM
If this tumbles, we do have a nice option being currently explored.

What's the option?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUfan12 on March 27, 2012, 11:23:34 AM
I'll echo what Sultan is saying... it's not good.

Nothing is done, but MU hasn't exactly made a push to keep him. LW is basically waiting him out.

I will be very, very surprised if he is still Marquette's coach.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 11:23:53 AM
Because he was so excited that his man-crush Buzz won the game?

and for warmth.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 11:24:49 AM
What's the option?

Doc Rivers

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 11:25:46 AM
Maybe we've been emailing the wrong people... Who are the people on the BOT?

Edit... well here they are, anyone have a handy dandy email list for them?
http://www.marquette.edu/about/leadership/trustees.shtml
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 11:25:57 AM
They cannot fire him!! They can make his life miserable and probably have already. Buzz is in the drivers seat and controls the next move. I hope he sticks it to them and stays for ten years.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 27, 2012, 11:26:41 AM
I'll echo what Sultan is saying... it's not good.

Nothing is done, but MU hasn't exactly made a push to keep him. LW is basically waiting him out.

I will be very, very surprised if he is still Marquette's coach.

And everyone thought Frank Martin/KSU was a singular strange deal.

Wait until they get two schools who crapey on their coach with no viable strategy in just a week's time.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 11:26:52 AM
Maybe we've been emailing the wrong people... Who are the people on the BOT?

http://www.marquette.edu/about/leadership/trustees.shtml
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 11:27:29 AM
Maybe we've been emailing the wrong people... Who are the people on the BOT?

http://www.marquette.edu/about/leadership/trustees.shtml

EDIT: Woah...like deja vu all over again
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUBurrow on March 27, 2012, 11:28:10 AM
I think the 67th page is a good time to chime in that I wish Rosiak were here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 11:28:47 AM
Oh man, I can't wait until SMU wins more games than MU and Buzz freaks come out and show MU how they were wrong.  ::)

Well, this "Buzz freak" won't wait until it happens. I'll say it right now. Kind of like when I told you in January of Buzz's first year that he was a best recruiter/coach/ we'd had since Al.

I didn't leave myself the wiggle room to second guess on Buzz the first time (as you and many others consistently did). I won't do it now. If he goes to SMU, their program is headed up, big time. Ours will be going in the opposite direction. When they'll cross going in different directions is unknown, but it will happen.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Freeport Warrior on March 27, 2012, 11:30:53 AM
They want to keep Buzz on their terms. He is free to walk away if he doesn't like them. That is where we are at right now. I have no idea what their terms are.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 11:32:19 AM
So we have a power struggle.

unnatural carnal knowledgeing Marquette.

What type of merchandise does SMU have? Hopefully something good.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Norm on March 27, 2012, 11:32:36 AM
Well, this "Buzz freak" won't wait until it happens. I'll say it right now. Kind of like when I told you in January of Buzz's first year that he was a best recruiter/coach/ we'd had since Al.

I didn't leave myself the wiggle room to second guess on Buzz the first time (as you and many others consistently did). I won't do it now. If he goes to SMU, their program is headed up, big time. Ours will be going in the opposite direction. When they'll cross going in different directions is unknown, but it will happen.
Well, it may take a lot longer for Buzz to build up SMU as he will not have the Three Amigos, Lazar Hayward and an incoming Jimmy Butler waiting in the wings (3 NBA players and the schools all-time leading point scorer).
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
They want to keep Buzz on their terms. He is free to walk away if he doesn't like them. That is where we are at right now. I have no idea what their terms are.


That is exactly what is going on.  If Buzz wants to jump to SMU, they are essentially telling him to feel free, but if you stay, here is what you need to do.  I think Buzz's leverage may not have worked out as he would have liked.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 11:33:13 AM
Well, this "Buzz freak" won't wait until it happens. I'll say it right now. Kind of like when I told you in January of Buzz's first year that he was a best recruiter/coach/ we'd had since Al.

I didn't leave myself the wiggle room to second guess on Buzz the first time (as you and many others consistently did). I won't do it now. If he goes to SMU, their program is headed up, big time. Ours will be going in the opposite direction. When they'll cross going in different directions is unknown, but it will happen.

Then you are far smarter than I am.

I honestly have no idea how it would play out. I like Buzz. Dude works hard. Dude is talented.

But, I still have no idea how the SMU/MU futures will work out. Far too many unknowns and variables for me to make a proclamation.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 11:33:24 AM
They want to keep Buzz on their terms. He is free to walk away if he doesn't like them. That is where we are at right now. I have no idea what their terms are.

Let's have a rally in front of Buzz' house.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Marquette_g on March 27, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
http://www.marquette.edu/about/leadership/trustees.shtml

EDIT: Woah...like deja vu all over again

"I haven't heard of half these guys and the ones I do know are way past their prime."
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 11:33:42 AM
When you email the BOT, finish with Go Warriors!

frackers...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 11:34:00 AM
Well, it may take a lot longer for Buzz to build up SMU as he will not have the Three Amigos, Lazar Hayward and an incoming Jimmy Butler waiting in the wings (3 NBA players and the schools all-time leading point scorer).

But he will have experience and credibility on his side.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 11:34:45 AM
So we have a power struggle.

fracking Marquette.

What type of merchandise does SMU have? Hopefully something good.

Are we changing the boards name to SMUScoop?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 11:35:10 AM
So we have a power struggle.

fracking Marquette.



Yeah we do.  But I don't know why the blame would have to go to Marquette.  We talk about the basketball program with pride about not only what it does on the court but off the court as well.  The higher ups are concerned about the latter.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 11:35:15 AM
They want to keep Buzz on their terms. He is free to walk away if he doesn't like them. That is where we are at right now. I have no idea what their terms are.
Well let's speculate...

1. At least two non-seniors on the team don't return next year
2. No more JUCO's, even if they were valedictorian's of their high-schools
3. Good luck admitting anyone who can't get into the school of engineering.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity'77 on March 27, 2012, 11:35:46 AM
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j293/Homebrew101/cdf97848.gif)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 11:35:57 AM

That is exactly what is going on.  If Buzz wants to jump to SMU, they are essentially telling him to feel free, but if you stay, here is what you need to do.  I think Buzz's leverage may not have worked out as he would have liked.

Well, that's a relief...seeing as how he'll stay as long as they'll have him.  Sounds like he's staying...right?  Right?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 27, 2012, 11:36:20 AM

That is exactly what is going on.  If Buzz wants to jump to SMU, they are essentially telling him to feel free, but if you stay, here is what you need to do.  I think Buzz's leverage may not have worked out as he would have liked.

Problem with this is that you figure he's gone one way or the other.  Maybe not this year, but I would imagine he's a goner when the next legit job opens.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 11:36:45 AM
If he goes, it was abso-figgin-lutely just a line.  "I'll stay as long as they'll have me" <> bolting after 4 years.

Well... if he's pushed out, then he would have stayed as long as they had him.


But can someone please make an educated guess as to WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD BE "THE TERMS" that MU would be proposing with which Buzz is allegedly struggling?

Well let's speculate...

1. At least two non-seniors on the team don't return next year
2. No more JUCO's, even if they were valedictorian's of their high-schools
3. Good luck admitting anyone who can't get into the school of engineering.


Sorry... but these don't cut it.  All three of these fly in the face of cura personalis (unless there's something behind #1 that's much greater of an issue than what's known publicly.)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 11:36:49 AM

Yeah we do.  But I don't know why the blame would have to go to Marquette.  We talk about the basketball program with pride about not only what it does on the court but off the court as well.  The higher ups are concerned about the latter.

It depends upon what MU's terms are in my eyes.  Won't know that for some time.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 11:37:05 AM
The terms are probably real simple....recruit ND or Northwestern type kids. If I were Buzz I could call their bluff big time....don't want me, can me!!! If they can him it would expose whatever they are pissed off about. My guess they are pissed off about the assault incident.

My biggest problem on the whole mess is that damage has been done. Another example of bumbling around and poor PR by school. LW should be making some sort of statement, either pro Buzz or throw his ass out of town.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 11:37:37 AM
Well let's speculate...

1. At least two non-seniors on the team don't return next year
2. No more JUCO's, even if they were valedictorian's of their high-schools
3. Good luck admitting anyone who can't get into the school of engineering.


But I hear those engineering students are party monsters.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 11:38:38 AM

Yeah we do.  But I don't know why the blame would have to go to Marquette.  We talk about the basketball program with pride about not only what it does on the court but off the court as well.  The higher ups are concerned about the latter.

I'm not really blaming Marquette either, just disappointing really.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hamostradamus on March 27, 2012, 11:38:48 AM
Well, it may take a lot longer for Buzz to build up SMU as he will not have the Three Amigos, Lazar Hayward and an incoming Jimmy Butler waiting in the wings (3 NBA players and the schools all-time leading point scorer).

Ummm, you really think all of our players will stay? You think our recruits won't follow? SMU isn't in the Big East until next year, so Buzz could take current players with him. Imagine facing SMU in 2013-14, and their starting lineup is Duane Wilson, Vander, Davante, Steve Taylor, etc.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 27, 2012, 11:40:07 AM
Well, it may take a lot longer for Buzz to build up SMU as he will not have the Three Amigos, Lazar Hayward and an incoming Jimmy Butler waiting in the wings (3 NBA players and the schools all-time leading point scorer).

I think blinders must be taken off for that statement.

At the time Buzz took over, if you polled 100 MU Scoopers, I'll bet the leading vote getter on the question of "How many NBA players are on this roster?" would be 1. Buzz is what made those guys NBA players. They were 3* recruits (Zar, JFB) at best. Solid college players, but nobody in honesty thought those guys were NBA caliber at the time. If you did, you are full of it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
So uh, how about that graduation rate we have? Isn't that something for Buzz to shove in LW's face?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 11:40:20 AM
Well, it may take a lot longer for Buzz to build up SMU as he will not have the Three Amigos, Lazar Hayward and an incoming Jimmy Butler waiting in the wings (3 NBA players and the schools all-time leading point scorer).

Had the amigos for one year with basically only Lazar after that. Jimmy committed after Buzz got the job.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 27, 2012, 11:40:36 AM
Ummm, you really think all of our players will stay? You think our recruits won't follow? SMU isn't in the Big East until next year, so Buzz could take current players with him. Imagine facing SMU in 2013, and their starting lineup is Duane Wilson, Vander, Davante, Steve Taylor, etc.

HAHAHAHAAHAHA....take a chill pill bro. Man this thread has gotten out of hand. Buzz still ain't goin' anywhere.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 11:41:09 AM
Sultan
Of course the program is both on and off the court. If last years or this years issues are major they should fire him. If not, which I believe, let the man do his job. If last years mess was so major they should have came clean then and fired the coach. If there was mutual coverup all parties are quilts as charged.

I highly doubt t he players in question would have played this year if school felt it was a risk. I believe this is running scared and doing so because they are worried it could happen again.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 27, 2012, 11:41:34 AM
Ummm, you really think all of our players will stay? You think our recruits won't follow? SMU isn't in the Big East until next year, so Buzz could take current players with him. Imagine facing SMU in 2013, and their starting lineup is Duane Wilson, Vander, Davante, Steve Taylor, etc.

Those kids will NOT be going to SMU with him.  Those guys don't even know what SMU is and when they figure out what their basketball program is, they'll decline.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 11:42:34 AM
The terms are probably real simple....recruit ND or Northwestern type kids. If I were Buzz I could call their bluff big time....don't want me, can me!!! If they can him it would expose whatever they are pissed off about. My guess they are pissed off about the assault incident.


None of the kids Buzz has brought in came in with a reputation as a troublemaker.  And they've all been good kids here.  Did some of them get into a bad situation?  Maybe.  But they wouldn't be the first MU student to have that happen. Unless you stipulate a GPA - which has nothing to do with conduct - how do you restrict him?  No one with a previous parking ticket?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pakuni on March 27, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Well let's speculate...

1. At least two non-seniors on the team don't return next year
2. No more JUCO's, even if they were valedictorian's of their high-schools
3. Good luck admitting anyone who can't get into the school of engineering.


My guess is it's more along the lines of
1) Do  more to keep your players out of the police blotter
2) Dish out appropriate discipline when your efforts on part 1 fail

Not altogether unreasonable.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Clarence on March 27, 2012, 11:44:07 AM
I assume that most of the team leaves if Buzz leaves.  The only sure bets to stay are Jamil Wilson, and Jake Thomas.  Everyone else could and proabably would leave.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 11:44:30 AM
Sultan
Of course the program is both on and off the court. If last years or this years issues are major they should fire him. If not, which I believe, let the man do his job. If last years mess was so major they should have came clean then and fired the coach. If there was mutual coverup all parties are quilts as charged.

I highly doubt t he players in question would have played this year if school felt it was a risk. I believe this is running scared and doing so because they are worried it could happen again.
The risk is in the future incidents, if players on the team are apt to make mistakes in the future, I can see them getting Larry Williamsed.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 11:44:40 AM
Why would we have to recruit to Northwestern or ND standards? They are far away better schools than Marquette.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 11:44:45 AM
My guess is it's more along the lines of
1) Do  more to keep your players out of the police blotter
2) Dish out appropriate discipline when your efforts on part 1 fail

Not altogether unreasonable.

I wish that were it, as I agree, it is not unreasonable.  Can't though, imagine a standoff over that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: chapman on March 27, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
Ummm, you really think all of our players will stay? You think our recruits won't follow? SMU isn't in the Big East until next year, so Buzz could take current players with him. Imagine facing SMU in 2013-14, and their starting lineup is Duane Wilson, Vander, Davante, Steve Taylor, etc.

IF the Big East doesn't forbid transfers to programs joining the conference the very next year,  Vander and Devante' would certainly be prohibited from transferring to SMU as a condition of their release.  Steve Taylor would likely get an unconditional release.  Duane Wilson can still go wherever he wants to go.  I doubt many of our players would stick around and I wouldn't blame them one bit for leaving, but none are going to SMU, Big East schools, or UW.  Depending on who the replacement would be, Jamil Wilson could also stay next year, graduate, and play his final year elsewhere if he chose to.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2012, 11:45:24 AM
HAHAHAHAAHAHA....take a chill pill bro. Man this thread has gotten out of hand. Buzz still ain't goin' anywhere.

+1

Buzz will be our coach next year.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hamostradamus on March 27, 2012, 11:45:35 AM
Those kids will NOT be going to SMU with him.  Those guys don't even know what SMU is and when they figure out what their basketball program is, they'll decline.

Well, since SMU will be on our schedule after next season, I am pretty sure the players know about it. Would you leave to play for Buzz if the alternative was staying to play for a coach you never met?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 11:45:52 AM
Ummm, you really think all of our players will stay? You think our recruits won't follow? SMU isn't in the Big East until next year, so Buzz could take current players with him. Imagine facing SMU in 2013-14, and their starting lineup is Duane Wilson, Vander, Davante, Steve Taylor, etc.

Hypothetically speaking,* if a current player on a Big East team wanted to transfer to SMU, could he be stopped because he would not be eligible to play until a year from now when SMU is a member of the Big East?  I seem to recall there was a "no transfers to other Big East schools" rule in effect.  Not sure how this would apply for a team that is not currently in the Big East.

*Still not convinced Buzz or any players are going anywhere.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pakuni on March 27, 2012, 11:46:57 AM
I wish that were it, as I agree, it is not unreasonable.  Can't though, imagine a standoff over that.

Actually, I can.
I definitely can see Buzz thinking "After all I've done here for four years, a couple of new guys are going to come in and tell me how to handle my kids?"

We've got massive egos at work here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 11:47:14 AM
Problem with this is that you figure he's gone one way or the other.  Maybe not this year, but I would imagine he's a goner when the next legit job opens.

I can see this as the most likely scenario.  I still think he's here for the next year and then he's gone.  He's repeatedly made comments about Junior (more so than any other player).  I see Buzz gone after Junior graduates and to a much better basketball school than SMU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2012, 11:47:30 AM
You guys realize that all of these posters with "sources" originally said Buzz was leaving, then yesterday he was staying, and now he is leaving again.

These "sources" seem to know as much as everyone else which is nothing.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 27, 2012, 11:47:47 AM
Well, since SMU will be on our schedule after next season, I am pretty sure the players know about it. Would you leave to play for Buzz if the alternative was staying to play for a coach you never met?

You're assuming it's one or the other
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 27, 2012, 11:48:04 AM
Any news on the meeting with the playerz this morning??
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 11:48:38 AM
The terms are probably real simple....recruit ND or Northwestern type kids. If I were Buzz I could call their bluff big time....don't want me, can me!!! If they can him it would expose whatever they are pissed off about. My guess they are pissed off about the assault incident.

My biggest problem on the whole mess is that damage has been done. Another example of bumbling around and poor PR by school. LW should be making some sort of statement, either pro Buzz or throw his ass out of town.

Hold on, what does "ND/Northwestern type kids" mean? White guys?

We don't know anything about what MU is asking Buzz to do.

I like Buzz a lot, but it's not unreasonable for a University to ask the coach to keep the off the court issues to a minimum. That doesn't mean they are suddenly handcuffing him and making him recruit all white valedictorians.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 11:50:55 AM
You guys realize that all of these posters with "sources" originally said Buzz was leaving, then yesterday he was staying, and now he is leaving again.

These "sources" seem to know as much as everyone else which is nothing.

I'm not sure that is entirely true, but I'm having a hard time keeping up with current posts, much less looking back.  The primary person originally saying Buzz was leaving was Goose.  Then yesterday he started saying things were looking like he was staying.  I think he's "worried" now, but sticking with his Buzz is staying prediction.  Sultan and Freeport are the ones who today were saying that their sources are saying that he's likely gone.  Although both have since said that their sources are saying that he's been given a "accept or terms or you're free to go" offer.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 11:51:35 AM
My guess is it's more along the lines of
1) Do  more to keep your players out of the police blotter
2) Dish out appropriate discipline when your efforts on part 1 fail

Not altogether unreasonable.

Bingo.

Hopefully cooler heads prevail here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 11:51:47 AM
Im pretty sure someone else had to have mixed those two before.  Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homer adds cough syrup and lights up the coctail calls it the flaming homer, than he goes to Mo who renames it the Flaming Mo and markets the crap out of it

Arnie was no stranger to guerilla marketing - he established himself as a brand without Tiger's dominance and Nike support. I am therefore disappointed hewould have stolen the laurels that rightly belonged to another. Very disappointed, in fact.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 27, 2012, 11:52:29 AM
Hold on, what does "ND/Northwestern type kids" mean? White guys?

We don't know anything about what MU is asking Buzz to do.

I like Buzz a lot, but it's not unreasonable for a University to ask the coach to keep the off the court issues to a minimum. That doesn't mean they are suddenly handcuffing him and making him recruit all white valedictorians.

+1

restricting Buzz to " ND/Northwestern type kids" could be taken as a racist comment.

Title: Re: For you old school fans
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 11:53:55 AM
Speaking of Dick's drive in...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlarNcNFzLw


How the hell did you find that?? I can't believe I spent 5 minutes listening. The Dick's they reference is the Capital Hill location. I have been there at 2 am. Attracts quite a slice of humanity so the event related in the song is credible.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Ahoya06 on March 27, 2012, 11:54:37 AM
For all the conspiracy theorists and fans of weird coincidences:

Crean left on the Tuesday evening preceding the Final Four.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
Hold on, what does "ND/Northwestern type kids" mean? White guys?

We don't know anything about what MU is asking Buzz to do.

I like Buzz a lot, but it's not unreasonable for a University to ask the coach to keep the off the court issues to a minimum. That doesn't mean they are suddenly handcuffing him and making him recruit all white valedictorians.

It's not unreasonable, but do you actually think Buzz wants those things to happen? Policies will need to be put in place to minimize that risk going forward. Like it or not, GPA/ACT requirements would have an impact on recruiting grounds due to the quality of education kids are getting. Not necessarily racism, but in the ballpark.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
Anyone had a burger at the 4th Base?  5117 W. National.   Still as good as I remember?  Hard to beat.

By the way, I just fast forwarded from post number 57, where I left off last night, to now.

Looks like there is not any definitive word yet on the meeting, or Buzz's situation.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 11:57:07 AM
For all the conspiracy theorists and fans of weird coincidences:

Crean left on the Tuesday evening preceding the Final Four.
Now THAT would get us to 500 pages easy.
Title: Re: Why ‘force’ so many threads into one?
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 11:57:42 AM
But didn't you see the way he raised his eyebrows after making the "The butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker" comment? And how many times did he tap his fingers on the desk...he's trying to communicate without letting everyone know! There must be something there!

*Begins looking at google images of Buzz for hidden clues*

like the hanoi hilton guys sending morse code eye blink messages!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 11:58:21 AM
But can someone please make an educated guess as to WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD BE "THE TERMS" that MU would be proposing with which Buzz is allegedly struggling?

Whether it's fair or not, I would not be even remotely surprised if one of the things that the Administration is talking about is JUCOs.  When Buzz signed a bunch of JUCOs there was some concern about the stigma that has sometimes attached to JUCOs and comments that hopefully there would not be any off-the-court issues.  Again, I'm not saying that those concerns were/are fair, but there is a long-standing stigma attached to JUCOs.  Then Clark got charged with rape before he ever came to campus.  Then we've had multiple off-the-court issues here.  I'm not saying that the JUCOs were responsible for those issues (I might be the only person who still doesn't know who was involved).  I'm not arguing cause and effect.  I'm just saying that I could see the administration thinking, "when you brought in JUCOs were were afraid there would be issues; and there were issues..."

I'll sit back and prepare to take the abuse that is sure to follow...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU20 on March 27, 2012, 11:58:30 AM
If he stays its because he really loves you guys....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pakuni on March 27, 2012, 11:59:03 AM
+1

restricting Buzz to " ND/Northwestern type kids" could be taken as a racist comment.



I find it humorous that some think a president who came from Georgetown and an AD who came from Notre Dame would take a hard line on admission standards, even raising them above those of the general student population. Cause, you know, those schools would never bend the rules for athletes.
Insanity abounds.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 11:59:12 AM
My guess is it's more along the lines of
1) Do  more to keep your players out of the police blotter
2) Dish out appropriate discipline when your efforts on part 1 fail

Not altogether unreasonable.

But:

1) If these terms are new to Buzz, why would Buzz have a problem with any of that (unless his entire character is a charade)
2) If Buzz is already doing this, why is the AD digging in their heels?
3) No one has been suspended for academic reasons, and everyone is apparently graduating (or making progress)... so if MU is voluntarily putting academic thresholds for athletes in place in response to nothing, it will be the first university in the country to do so.

It seems to me that Buzz already grasps the magnitude of the scrutiny of his players and the university, and he also seems like the guy who isn't going to simply let things slide.  So none of this makes any sense at all.  Either Buzz and the AD are being stupid, or we all are.  My vote is the latter.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 12:00:08 PM
If he stays its because he really loves you guys....

Says the guy who posted earlier today that SMU isn't throwing enough money for him to leave.

You know nothing like most of us here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pakuni on March 27, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
Whether it's fair or not, I would not be even remotely surprised if one of the things that the Administration is talking about is JUCOs.  When Buzz signed a bunch of JUCOs there was some concern about the stigma that has sometimes attached to JUCOs and comments that hopefully there would not be any off-the-court issues.  Again, I'm not saying that those concerns were/are fair, but there is a long-standing stigma attached to JUCOs.  Then Clark got charged with rape before he ever came to campus.  Then we've had multiple off-the-court issues here.  I'm not saying that the JUCOs were responsible for those issues (I might be the only person who still doesn't know who was involved).  I'm not arguing cause and effect.  I'm just saying that I could see the administration thinking, "when you brought in JUCOs were were afraid there would be issues; and there were issues..."

I'll sit back and prepare to take the abuse that is sure to follow...

So, they let it go for four years (and under Crean as well), took in a bunch of JUCOs who generally turned out to be high quality kids, and now are saying no more JUCOs?
No.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 12:02:13 PM
Final decisions haven't been made. Just stating what I am hearing. People who were nervous sunday and felt better monday are more nervous again.  If you don't want me to post this stuff I won't. Not trying to get people riled up. Just stating what I am hearing. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU20 on March 27, 2012, 12:02:45 PM
I know more than you and have been pretty darn accurate


If I offered you what he is being offered you would give up your MU degree in a heartbeat...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JTBMU7 on March 27, 2012, 12:02:56 PM
But:

1) If these terms are new to Buzz, why would Buzz have a problem with any of that (unless his entire character is a charade)
2) If Buzz is already doing this, why is the AD digging in their heels?
3) No one has been suspended for academic reasons, and everyone is apparently graduating (or making progress)... so if MU is voluntarily putting academic thresholds for athletes in place in response to nothing, it will be the first university in the country to do so.

It seems to me that Buzz already grasps the magnitude of the scrutiny of his players and the university, and he also seems like the guy who isn't going to simply let things slide.  So none of this makes any sense at all.  Either Buzz and the AD are being stupid, or we all are.  My vote is the latter.

well said. completely agree.
btw, this is like our version of the OJ trial, i could watch this all day...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 12:03:04 PM
Final decisions haven't been made. Just stating what I am hearing. People who were nervous sunday and felt better monday are more nervous again.  If you don't want me to post this stuff I won't. Not trying to get people riled up. Just stating what I am hearing. 

Give us more...those who don't like it don't have to read it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MileHigh on March 27, 2012, 12:04:02 PM
Can SMU really afford Buzz if he did go there?

They paid Doherty around $500,000 last year the "rumor" of $2.6 million.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 12:04:41 PM
I know more than you and have been pretty darn accurate


If I offered you what he is being offered you would give up your MU degree in a heartbeat...

You have 3 posts.  2 contradicting each other plus this one.  I don't know how you can be accurate shooting the crap from both sides of the spectrum.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:05:12 PM
So, they let it go for four years (and under Crean as well), took in a bunch of JUCOs who generally turned out to be high quality kids, and now are saying no more JUCOs?
No.

Have you been paying attention for the last year?  There was nothing to "let go" for four years.  In the last 12 months we've been in the press a bit more than we're used to.

I don't think the JUCOs were responsible for any of this -- and I think Jimmy Butler is one of the highest quality kids to ever wear the uniform.  But, if the Administration is looking for an issue to dig its heels in about, it wouldn't surprise me if this was one.  Never forget that those of us on this board follow things much more closely than the average alum -- or even the average fan.  They may be fighting the perception that JUCOs came in and now we're on the front page of the Chicago Tribune.  I don't think it's fair, but I do think it's a possible issue.

Since you seem to know what the issues aren't, how about you share what they are.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 12:06:09 PM
Then you are far smarter than I am.

I honestly have no idea how it would play out. I like Buzz. Dude works hard. Dude is talented.

But, I still have no idea how the SMU/MU futures will work out. Far too many unknowns and variables for me to make a proclamation.


I would never claim to be smarter than you. You're a very well spoken and thoughtful guy and I'm sure that your IQ is impressive.

You are also EXTREMELY cautious and nuanced. That's not all bad - "on the other hand" should be part of any discussion.

But if you really "have no idea" what the impact of Buzz to SMU would mean to them and us, what's the point of entering the discussion?

My point was that just because you'll be waiting 5 years to decide whether Buzz to SMU would be good for them and bad for us, please don't insult every "Buzz freak" by insinuating he/she will do the same. I (and every other "Buzz freak" on the board) is pretty much on the record that this would be a boon for SMU and a disaster for Marquette, and we won't wait until they come to Milwaukee and kick our a$$ to say as much.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 12:06:20 PM
Issue isn't incoming academics but progress when they are here and discipline.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 12:06:31 PM
Can SMU really afford Buzz if he did go there?

They paid Doherty around $500,000 last year the "rumor" of $2.6 million.



You do know how many millionaires/billionaires SMU has produced and actively support their athletic programs right?  They have 10+ Dick Strongs on their side.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU20 on March 27, 2012, 12:06:56 PM
more like 50
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 12:07:09 PM
Whether it's fair or not, I would not be even remotely surprised if one of the things that the Administration is talking about is JUCOs.  When Buzz signed a bunch of JUCOs there was some concern about the stigma that has sometimes attached to JUCOs and comments that hopefully there would not be any off-the-court issues.  Again, I'm not saying that those concerns were/are fair, but there is a long-standing stigma attached to JUCOs.  Then Clark got charged with rape before he ever came to campus.  Then we've had multiple off-the-court issues here.  I'm not saying that the JUCOs were responsible for those issues (I might be the only person who still doesn't know who was involved).  I'm not arguing cause and effect.  I'm just saying that I could see the administration thinking, "when you brought in JUCOs were were afraid there would be issues; and there were issues..."

I'll sit back and prepare to take the abuse that is sure to follow...

No... one of two.  Which makes my following character analysis possibly irrelevant...

JUCO's:

Joe Fulce - Never got into trouble as far as any of us know.  Seemed like a good guy.  Graduated, no?
Jimmy Butler - Whatever... if you got something bad to say about JFB, you're an idiot.
Dwight Buycks - May fit the unfortunate (and erroneous) JUCO stigma the best.  But I don't recall him getting into trouble either.
DJO - Speculation about being at a bar in January.  No official reports he was involved in anything.
Jae Crowder - Nothing ever goes unnoticed for a guy with Jae's presence.  If he's ever been involved in anything, it would have to be a CIA-level coverup.  To me, he's the epitomy of what MU basketball should be... a hard working, persistent, talented individual.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 27, 2012, 12:07:27 PM
So, they let it go for four years (and under Crean as well), took in a bunch of JUCOs who generally turned out to be high quality kids, and now are saying no more JUCOs?
No.

Pretty sure disallowing qualified JUCO's admittance is against federal law...maybe the DOE can add that to their investigation list of MU's administration?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 12:12:53 PM
Aha!!! Doc Rivers is behind this.  Setting himself up for life after the "old man Celtics" are toast.

"ok fellow board members. I am officially ready to take the post you've always wanted me to take and lead this university to the promise land. Time to start those Buzz to SMU rumors. MUScoop.com will eat those rumors up causing internal controversy giving us reason push Buzz out."

http://www.marquette.edu/about/leadership/trustees.shtml
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 12:13:21 PM
Doc would be nice replacement.
Title: Report: Buzz is Leaving
Post by: Warrior4Life on March 27, 2012, 12:13:23 PM
My friend that works for MUTV got an email stating that Buzz is leaving. Wow.
Title: Re: Report: Buzz is Leaving
Post by: klyrish on March 27, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
My friend that works for MUTV got an email stating that Buzz isn't leaving. Wow.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 27, 2012, 12:14:30 PM
100 pages seems like a reasonable goal.
Title: Re: Report: Buzz is Leaving
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 27, 2012, 12:14:35 PM
First post...not buyin it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 12:14:47 PM
Pretty sure disallowing qualified JUCO's admittance is against federal law...maybe the DOE can add that to their investigation list of MU's administration?

Marquette can admit JUCOs all they want.  Doesn't mean the head coach is required to take JUCOs.

As far as the terms that are at issue, I have absolutely no problem with Pillarz and Williams telling Buzz he has to keep the conduct of the players clean (not trying to say their conduct hasn't or has been clean over the past 4 years, just saying from now on) and if they get into trouble, that they must be punished accordingly.  If this is causing Buzz to consider leaving Marquette for SMU, then he should have to consider leaving any job.  This is not a free for all.  If Buzz has a problem with the people above him telling him "If kids end up in a police report for (whatever it may be), they must be punished" (again, not trying to say whether or not this has happened in the past, just future here), then I'm not sure he's the right guy to be coaching Marquette University.
Title: Re: Report: Buzz is Leaving
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 12:15:11 PM
First post...not buyin it.

Agreed.  Second post seems 65x more legitimate than the first.
Title: Re: Report: Buzz is Leaving
Post by: GOO on March 27, 2012, 12:15:55 PM
Ha.  Nice try, to bad MUTV doesn't get that email.  At least not from an official source!  Go back to the UW or SMU board.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 12:16:35 PM
Issue isn't incoming academics but progress when they are here and discipline.


so you require the guys to progress, and give them tutors if they need help.  tell them the rules if they unnatural carnal knowledge up - suspensions/dismissals from team.  put it on the players, not the coach.  he's not their mommy.  they're grown men.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 12:16:59 PM
Marquette can admit JUCOs all they want.  Doesn't mean the head coach is required to take JUCOs.

As far as the terms that are at issue, I have absolutely no problem with Pillarz and Williams telling Buzz he has to keep the conduct of the players clean (not trying to say their conduct hasn't or has been clean over the past 4 years, just saying from now on) and if they get into trouble, that they must be punished accordingly.  If this is causing Buzz to consider leaving Marquette for SMU, then he should have to consider leaving any job.  This is not a free for all.  If Buzz has a problem with the people above him telling him "If kids end up in a police report for (whatever it may be), they must be punished" (again, not trying to say whether or not this has happened in the past, just future here), then I'm not sure he's the right guy to be coaching Marquette University.

Again, unless everything we know about Buzz is a charade, then there is no way the two sides would be add odds over an issue like this.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 12:17:27 PM
Marquette can admit JUCOs all they want.  Doesn't mean the head coach is required to take JUCOs.

As far as the terms that are at issue, I have absolutely no problem with Pillarz and Williams telling Buzz he has to keep the conduct of the players clean (not trying to say their conduct hasn't or has been clean over the past 4 years, just saying from now on) and if they get into trouble, that they must be punished accordingly.  If this is causing Buzz to consider leaving Marquette for SMU, then he should have to consider leaving any job.  This is not a free for all.  If Buzz has a problem with the people above him telling him "If kids end up in a police report for (whatever it may be), they must be punished" (again, not trying to say whether or not this has happened in the past, just future here), then I'm not sure he's the right guy to be coaching Marquette University.

+1

Before I blast the administration, I'd like to know what they are actually asking for. If it's something reasonable and Buzz is balking... then it's best he move on.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Norm on March 27, 2012, 12:18:08 PM
I think blinders must be taken off for that statement.

At the time Buzz took over, if you polled 100 MU Scoopers, I'll bet the leading vote getter on the question of "How many NBA players are on this roster?" would be 1. Buzz is what made those guys NBA players. They were 3* recruits (Zar, JFB) at best. Solid college players, but nobody in honesty thought those guys were NBA caliber at the time. If you did, you are full of it.
Niv, my point was that the talent level he started with at Marquette would be a lot better than what is at SMU right now. He had 4 players who had started pretty much every game they had played at MU to that point, and many thought that Jerel and Wes had a shot at the NBA, and James had flirted with it after his freshman season. Butler came in and played 687 minutes that year.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 12:18:23 PM
Again, unless everything we know about Buzz is a charade, then there is no way the two sides would be add odds over an issue like this.

I agree.  None of this seems to make sense.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: CTWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:19:16 PM
Doc would be nice replacement.

I haven't chimed into this mess of a thread, but I would never want an NBA guy at Marquette, even Doc.  Coaching college is way, way more work than coaching in the NBA, and I don't think NBA guys are willing to do that work.
Title: Re: Report: Buzz is Leaving
Post by: jficke13 on March 27, 2012, 12:19:22 PM
Ha.  Nice try, to bad MUTV doesn't get that email.  At least not from an official source!  Go back to the UW or SMU board.

MUTV personnel are on the same media mailing list as WISN, Journal Sentinel, et al. When Kuykendal sends a press release, he sends it to the list, MUTV people would get it.

I also would get it, because I haven't been taken off that list. I haven't gotten anything from Kuykendal about this.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 27, 2012, 12:19:38 PM
Issue isn't incoming academics but progress when they are here and discipline.
Again, as has been said by others, how is this an "issue"?  Much less an issue that would rise to this level of stand-off between the two parties?

All I can think of is that the BOT is laying down some pretty draconian measures that Buzz thinks are far too severe.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:19:57 PM
Issue isn't incoming academics but progress when they are here and discipline.


Than why cant we blame the professors for being crapty teachers?

Isnt that a professor problem?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 12:20:21 PM
Only way this goes down with Buzz leaving is if Doc is replacement.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 27, 2012, 12:20:58 PM
I think we all are being nieve to the fact that Buzz is taking SMU serious:/

I hate to say it but i think hes gone
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU20 on March 27, 2012, 12:22:05 PM
You would be gone as well...the fact he is still considering means he really loves it up there...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 27, 2012, 12:22:43 PM
Only way this goes down with Buzz leaving is if Doc is replacement.

What does this mean?  Plus, would Doc be an upgrade?  College recruiting takes a lot of time and a different talent.  Ya, he could bring in some big recruits, the one and done's maybe.  I'd rather have Buzz stay. I just can't see Doc sitting in the wings.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:24:13 PM
MU hoops is on the precipice of being a team like Maryland was in the mid-90's to early 2000's  to derail it now would piss me off to know end.  But than again me complaining on a message board with you guys probably does nothing.

In good news, I just checked with Signature service and their are no private planes leaving Mitchell for DFW or Dallas Love today
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 12:24:45 PM
I haven't chimed into this mess of a thread, but I would never want an NBA guy at Marquette, even Doc.  Coaching college is way, way more work than coaching in the NBA, and I don't think NBA guys are willing to do that work.

Doc seems a little different for us though. Not just a random NBA coach but a guy familiar with the program an has 2 kids (one a ridiculous stud) that have been through top programs.  He would be an easy sell for recruits. I'd rather Buzz stay but just responding to your "all NBA coaches would be bad for us" post. I agree 99% but I'd take Doc.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 12:25:03 PM
Based on his relationship with his returning players, if this (the discipline/academic stuff) is what it's coming down to, I feel that they will find a way to work it out to the point that he will stay here, at least for another season.  I seriously doubt if the amount of money SMU's offering is a factor in Buzz's decision process.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: klyrish on March 27, 2012, 12:25:17 PM
I think we all are being nieve to the fact that Buzz is taking SMU serious:/

I hate to say it but i think hes gone
Why? Why do you think that? Why does ANYONE think this? Apart from the threads here, I can't seem to find anything at all about him even teasing the idea. Everything is about SMU wanting him but nothing about him wanting to go there. Where did all of this stuff even come from at all?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2012, 12:25:30 PM
I love that people are trying to figure out what LW and Pilarz demanded of Buzz when there isn't even any evidence that anything was asked of him.

I realize not hearing anything is tough but come on.  People are just making up storylines now.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 27, 2012, 12:26:01 PM
But:

1) If these terms are new to Buzz, why would Buzz have a problem with any of that (unless his entire character is a charade)
2) If Buzz is already doing this, why is the AD digging in their heels?
3) No one has been suspended for academic reasons, and everyone is apparently graduating (or making progress)... so if MU is voluntarily putting academic thresholds for athletes in place in response to nothing, it will be the first university in the country to do so.

It seems to me that Buzz already grasps the magnitude of the scrutiny of his players and the university, and he also seems like the guy who isn't going to simply let things slide.  So none of this makes any sense at all.  Either Buzz and the AD are being stupid, or we all are.  My vote is the latter.

Exactly, if Buzz really is what he come across as, why would he object to high standards on and off the court, you think he would embrace that.
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 12:26:24 PM
I know a few facts:

Buzz Williams is under contract to coach the Marquette basketball team;
Marquette's basketball program is superior to SMU's in every regard;
Buzz is a celebrity who benefits from having his name in the news;
It would be disastrous to Larry Williams' career for Buzz to leave MU;
Marquette just signed a new, local recruit last week;
Major college basketball coaches rarely, if ever, take a "step down" by choice, regardless of money.

There are other things I "think" and other things I've "heard" today (some from some pretty decent sources, but far from Buzz, Williams, Pilarz, etc), but those are the facts I "know."

My educated conclusion is this: This is a power play. There was some tension this past fall, but not because Pilarz and Williams were "new" but because of the fallout from the scandal in the news last fall. The simple fact is the players at issue were under Buzz's supervision. Fair or not, heavy is the head that wears the crown. Buzz took some flak. Now he's "brushing back" and asserting some power. It would be very bad for many people at Marquette professionally if Buzz left. They won't let it happen.

Anyways, time and success heal all wounds. Everything is going to be fine. Everyone should relax.

Perhaps in light of my source on the DePaul arena issue proving to be true, I can get some credibility regarding my post above. For those of you that are curious, I am what a cynical person would call a booster (in a good way) of the program and through the years have made a series of contacts.

Once again I fairly qualified my sources. No they are not Williams, Fr. Pilarz, Buzz, etc. But I have no reason to doubt them.

Again, take my insight for what its worth. This is some Big Boy stuff with a lot at stake. But there is too much on the line for too many careers and too much money at stake.

Things happen. Life goes on. So should we.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MDMU04 on March 27, 2012, 12:26:54 PM
Doc seems a little different for us though. Not just a random NBA coach but a guy familiar with the program an has 2 kids (one a ridiculous stud) that have been through top programs.  He would be an easy sell for recruits. I'd rather Buzz stay but just responding to your "all NBA coaches would be bad for us" post. I agree 99% but I'd take Doc.

To even entertain the thought that doc would leave the NBA to come coach here is beyond delusion.  Please stop immediately.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
Doc would be a major hit as coach. This is strictly gut call but only way they could avoid a major PR hit would be bringing Doc. Know idea why he would do it but funnier things could happen. Hate to say it but it would put my anger to the back burner.
Kids love NBA guys and Doc has played with and coached the best. Would say this post is far fetched....but who would have thought MU would not want Buzz?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU20 on March 27, 2012, 12:27:17 PM
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:27:48 PM
No... one of two.  

One of Three.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 12:27:52 PM
Why? Why do you think that? Why does ANYONE think this? Apart from the threads here, I can't seem to find anything at all about him even teasing the idea. Everything is about SMU wanting him but nothing about him wanting to go there. Where did all of this stuff even come from at all?

You clearly haven't been paying attention the past 36 or so hours...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: jficke13 on March 27, 2012, 12:28:44 PM
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...

Say a number or we will continue to assume you're making stuff up to bother us.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: muguru on March 27, 2012, 12:28:53 PM
You would be gone as well...the fact he is still considering means he really loves it up there...

Mr. SMU boy, I can assure you this is NOT about $$$ for Buzz. You are acting like it's some exorbitant offer. I can promise you, regardless of the $$ amount SMU is offering, MU would meet or exceed it, without thinking twice about it. That's FACT.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 12:29:11 PM
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...

Unless you are literally offering billions, we can match. There is no fee you would realistically give to Buzz Williams that our own basketball patriarch couldn't double if he so chose.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 12:29:37 PM
I love that people are trying to figure out what LW and Pilarz demanded of Buzz when there isn't even any evidence that anything was asked of him.

I realize not hearing anything is tough but come on.  People are just making up storylines now.

Completely agree. Relax on making up rumors. Now hypotheticals? Now that is fun...Buzz out, Doc in :)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mutpm on March 27, 2012, 12:30:04 PM
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...

Based on what MU has paid coaches in the past, staggering would need to be $4 million minimum.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 12:30:45 PM
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...

And you can't spell... not even close.  Good luck with that, moneybags.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 27, 2012, 12:30:52 PM
Why? Why do you think that? Why does ANYONE think this? Apart from the threads here, I can't seem to find anything at all about him even teasing the idea. Everything is about SMU wanting him but nothing about him wanting to go there. Where did all of this stuff even come from at all?

When did this thread start? Roughly 4 days ago?

Buzz has had that many days to clear the air about this SMU "rumor"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 12:31:14 PM
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...

If this is all about money and you are correct, I would assume the Press Conference would be over by now.  How did that go, I missed it?
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:31:35 PM
Perhaps in light of my source on the DePaul arena issue proving to be true, I can get some credibility regarding my post above. For those of you that are curious, I am what a cynical person would call a booster (in a good way) of the program and through the years have made a series of contacts.

Once again I fairly qualified my sources. No they are not Williams, Fr. Pilarz, Buzz, etc. But I have no reason to doubt them.

Again, take my insight for what its worth. This is some Big Boy stuff with a lot at stake. But there is too much on the line for too many careers and too much money at stake.

Things happen. Life goes on. So should we.

First post in a while that made me feel a little more optimistic.  Don't toy with me, Avenue Commons.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 12:32:24 PM
If this is all about money and you are correct, I would assume the Press Conference would be over by now.  How did that go, I missed it?

They're "stagering" the press conference as we speak.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 12:32:48 PM
When did this thread start? Roughly 4 days ago?

Buzz has had that many days to clear the air about this SMU "rumor"

I think we may have undersold the goal of 100 pages ...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:33:21 PM
Say a number or we will continue to assume you're making stuff up to bother us.

I can't help but think of Austin Powers -- "One Million Dollars!"


Maybe SMU20 is from the 80s.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU20 on March 27, 2012, 12:33:44 PM
You can't match and you won't, but like you said its not all about the money....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
When did this thread start? Roughly 4 days ago?

Buzz has had that many days to clear the air about this SMU "rumor"

If he responds to one, he has to respond to them all.  Unless Scoop is shutting down for good, I wouldn't want to make that time commitment either.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mutpm on March 27, 2012, 12:34:53 PM
You can't match and you won't, but like you said its not all about the money....

MU would have matched IU for Crean had they been given the chance. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mufansince72 on March 27, 2012, 12:35:20 PM
Based on what MU has paid coaches in the past, staggering would need to be $4 million minimum.  

Up that figure by about two million, that is what I heard
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU20 on March 27, 2012, 12:35:27 PM
IU wouldn't be able to match....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:35:31 PM
wish Buzz could go to Pilarz and the board and say "take your pick, Larry the lame newby AD or me the basketball coaching prodigy"


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mutpm on March 27, 2012, 12:36:09 PM
Up that figure by about two million, that is what I heard

SMU is either stupid or desperate if they are going to pay a college basketball coach $6 million. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: klyrish on March 27, 2012, 12:36:32 PM
You clearly haven't been paying attention the past 36 or so hours...
No, I have been. But I still don't recall seeing anything outside of these message boards alluding to any of this. Where is the original source of there being any turmoil at all? Everything I've seen is just hearsay and conjecture.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 12:36:50 PM
Doc would be a major hit as coach. This is strictly gut call but only way they could avoid a major PR hit would be bringing Doc. Know idea why he would do it but funnier things could happen. Hate to say it but it would put my anger to the back burner.
Kids love NBA guys and Doc has played with and coached the best. Would say this post is far fetched....but who would have thought MU would not want Buzz?

Exactly Goose. Easy recruiting and its not like he doesnt know how to coach basketball because he was in the NBA. And he's the ONLY NBA coach I would ever consider because he would have passion for MU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 12:37:45 PM
When did this thread start? Roughly 4 days ago?

Buzz has had that many days to clear the air about this SMU "rumor"
This is just a bunch of nerds on a message board.  It isn't even a rumor.  Have you seen anything on ESPN or anywhere other than this board that says Buzz is anything more than a SMU "candidate"?  It's not like the national media is running a bunch of stories on this.  There's literally nothing for him to clear the air on except for this massive thread on an internet site he doesn't read.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 12:38:54 PM
You can't match and you won't, but like you said its not all about the money....

Maybe I missed it in the 35 pages or so since I last saw SMU17 or 18 post, but what happened to those guys? Was there a SMU19?  I'm thinking they're all a bunch of brothers (like the Hanson Brothers from Slap Shot) sitting around playing with trucks and posting on Scoop.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 12:39:00 PM
This is just a bunch of nerds on a message board.  It isn't even a rumor.  Have you seen anything on ESPN or anywhere other than this board that says Buzz is anything more than a SMU "candidate"?  It's not like the national media is running a bunch of stories on this.  There's literally nothing for him to clear the air on except for this massive thread on an internet site he doesn't read.

This being said, I'm surprised that there's nothing in the media.  You'd think that one or more sides of this would be leaking propaganda to sway the public.

Really strange courtship so far.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 12:39:14 PM
Up that figure by about two million, that is what I heard
If SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M, and he accepts, they can have him.  There's no reason to pay that kind of money for a basketball coach.  There's no reason to pay that much money for 3 basketball coaches.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 27, 2012, 12:39:30 PM
Exactly Goose. Easy recruiting and its not like he doesnt know how to coach basketball because he was in the NBA. And he's the ONLY NBA coach I would ever consider because he would have passion for MU.

Not so sure about the NBA coach thing...  Not the best analogy, but Isiah Thomas.  Doc ain't a crackpot, but Thomas didn't attract the kids.
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 12:40:23 PM
First post in a while that made me feel a little more optimistic.  Don't toy with me, Avenue Commons.

I'm not toying. Just sharing my thoughts and insights on the issue.

I fully admit that I might be wrong. But more than anything my optimism stems from the fact that there is just so much at stake: Reputations, careers, time investments, recruits, marketing, money and more money.

I find it hard to believe that after MU gave Buzz the chance it did and then committed to him last year that Buzz can't handle that he is expected to lead a team that stays out of trouble. It isn't too much to ask from the coach of a conservative Jesuit, Catholic university in the Midwest.

Also remember that Cottingham already fell on his sword. There is no need for more heads to roll now. If Buzz was going to be axed it would have happened when MU was unfortunately on the front page of the Chicago Tribune.

Let's all also remember that those at the top have a responsibility to the university as a whole. Not just to the basketball program and its coaches. I know I'm in the minority, but I think it is totally appropriate that MU and Buzz discuss in depth what is expected of him. If he wants to bristle at that its ok. It's what adults do. But sometimes (like when MU is on the cover of the Tribune for bad, bad reasons) tough conversations take place. And right now a tough conversation is taking place.

But it'll all be fine. And just like a fight with your wife, in the end you get it all out and your marriage is better off for it. Time for AC to get back to work.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:40:34 PM
Maybe I missed it in the 35 pages or so since I last saw SMU17 or 18 post, but what happened to those guys? Was there a SMU19?  I'm thinking they're all a bunch of brothers (like the Hanson Brothers from Slap Shot) sitting around playing with trucks and posting on Scoop.

I think one of them had a birthday and updated his user name.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 12:40:44 PM
wish Buzz could go to Pilarz and the board and say "take your pick, Larry the lame newby AD or me the basketball coaching prodigy"

See this is the stuff that is dumb.  Assuming Larry is stupid because he is new without hearing what the real convo is behind the scenes.  That may be the conclusion in the end but give him a chance.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 12:40:50 PM
I think it's hilarious that SMU fans are talking about how insane the money Buzz Williams would get.  Buzz makes $2.6 million a year.  The highest paid coach in the NCAA is Coach Cal at $4 million a year (that'll teach you not to cheat...).  The 2nd highest paid is Coach Izzo at $3.5 million a year (along with Billy Donovan and maybe others).  Is SMU really going to pay a coach with 5 years experience, whose best postseason is the Sweet 16, more than Izzo and Donovan, both guys with National Championships and Final Fours galore?  I have my doubts about that.

But wait, they're just going to slip money under the table to the coach.  That's what cheaters do to student-athletes, not to coaches.  And slipping money under the table within the athletic program has worked out really well throughout SMU's history...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mufansince72 on March 27, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
If SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M, and he accepts, they can have him.  There's no reason to pay that kind of money for a basketball coach.  There's no reason to pay that much money for 3 basketball coaches.

They are prepared to make him the highest paid coach in Basketball.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:41:04 PM
No, I have been. But I still don't recall seeing anything outside of these message boards alluding to any of this. Where is the original source of there being any turmoil at all? Everything I've seen is just hearsay and conjecture.

Just so you know, technically, newspaper reports are hearsay.  People tell reporters things, and then reporters write it.  That's what we've got going on here.  Frankly, there are a couple people posting today and citing sources that I trust at least as much -- but probably more -- then Elund, ESPN or others.

I honestly think that we know pretty much what is out there to be known right now.  Having some hoops columnist confirm it wouldn't change much for me.  Having a direct quote from Buzz or the University on the other hand...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 12:41:11 PM
MU would have matched IU for Crean had they been given the chance.  

Thanks for not giving MU the chance, Tom. Add this to the list.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity77 on March 27, 2012, 12:41:14 PM
You can't match and you won't, but like you said its not all about the money....

If you offered Buzz $10M per year, which you wouldn't, we could pay him $20M per year, which we also wouldn't. If the powers that be at Marquette wanted to make Buzz the highest paid coach in college, they have the financial wherewithal to do that. If it became a ridiculous financial pissing contest, maybe you have more boosters, and maybe you have ones that can outspend ours, but no one is going to pay Buzz 8 figures, and if it really came down to it, we have boosters that could authorize paying Buzz that much if they so chose without batting an eye.

It's not about money at all. If that were all this was about, there's be an offer, a counter offer, and a decision. This all would have been done Sunday.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: robmufan on March 27, 2012, 12:42:33 PM
If SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M, and he accepts, they can have him.  There's no reason to pay that kind of money for a basketball coach.  There's no reason to pay that much money for 3 basketball coaches.

I am pretty sure Nick Saban's contract just got renewed and he is at about $5 million a year.  And I would put him in a class much higher than Buzz in the college sports world.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 12:42:56 PM
They are prepared to make him the highest paid coach in Basketball.  
Like I said, if he accepts, I hope they're happy together.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUfan12 on March 27, 2012, 12:43:23 PM
Issue isn't incoming academics but progress when they are here and discipline.

The grad rate is gonna take a hit. Lazar never graduated, nor did Buycks. I believe Jimmy finished up during the lockout. I can see them having an issue with seniors leaving school without graduating to prep for the draft. This might be going on with Jae and DJ at the moment.
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: MarsupialMadness on March 27, 2012, 12:43:46 PM
I'm not toying. Just sharing my thoughts and insights on the issue.

I fully admit that I might be wrong. But more than anything my optimism stems from the fact that there is just so much at stake: Reputations, careers, time investments, recruits, marketing, money and more money.

I find it hard to believe that after MU gave Buzz the chance it did and then committed to him last year that Buzz can't handle that he is expected to lead a team that stays out of trouble. It isn't too much to ask from the coach of a conservative Jesuit, Catholic university in the Midwest.

Also remember that Cottingham already fell on his sword. There is no need for more heads to roll now. If Buzz was going to be axed it would have happened when MU was unfortunately on the front page of the Chicago Tribune.

Let's all also remember that those at the top have a responsibility to the university as a whole. Not just to the basketball program and its coaches. I know I'm in the minority, but I think it is totally appropriate that MU and Buzz discuss in depth what is expected of him. If he wants to bristle at that its ok. It's what adults do. But sometimes (like when MU is on the cover of the Tribune for bad, bad reasons) tough conversations take place. And right now a tough conversation is taking place.

But it'll all be fine. And just like a fight with your wife, in the end you get it all out and your marriage is better off for it. Time for AC to get back to work.

Do you know what the divorce rate is these days?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pakuni on March 27, 2012, 12:44:00 PM
I think it's hilarious that SMU fans are talking about how insane the money Buzz Williams would get.  Buzz makes $2.6 million a year.  The highest paid coach in the NCAA is Coach Cal at $4 million a year (that'll teach you not to cheat...).  The 2nd highest paid is Coach Izzo at $3.5 million a year (along with Billy Donovan and maybe others).  Is SMU really going to pay a coach with 5 years experience, whose best postseason is the Sweet 16, more than Izzo and Donovan, both guys with National Championships and Final Fours galore?  I have my doubts about that.

But wait, they're just going to slip money under the table to the coach.  That's what cheaters do to student-athletes, not to coaches.  And slipping money under the table within the athletic program has worked out really well throughout SMU's history...

Well, you know, they do pay June Jones $10 million a year.
Buzz would be a bargain.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 12:44:22 PM
They are prepared to make him the highest paid coach in Basketball.  
who are you?  An MU fan since 1972?  Really?  With these types of comments I'm wondering what you know.
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 12:44:54 PM
I'm not toying. Just sharing my thoughts and insights on the issue.

I fully admit that I might be wrong. But more than anything my optimism stems from the fact that there is just so much at stake: Reputations, careers, time investments, recruits, marketing, money and more money.

I find it hard to believe that after MU gave Buzz the chance it did and then committed to him last year that Buzz can't handle that he is expected to lead a team that stays out of trouble. It isn't too much to ask from the coach of a conservative Jesuit, Catholic university in the Midwest.

Also remember that Cottingham already fell on his sword. There is no need for more heads to roll now. If Buzz was going to be axed it would have happened when MU was unfortunately on the front page of the Chicago Tribune.

Let's all also remember that those at the top have a responsibility to the university as a whole. Not just to the basketball program and its coaches. I know I'm in the minority, but I think it is totally appropriate that MU and Buzz discuss in depth what is expected of him. If he wants to bristle at that its ok. It's what adults do. But sometimes (like when MU is on the cover of the Tribune for bad, bad reasons) tough conversations take place. And right now a tough conversation is taking place.

But it'll all be fine. And just like a fight with your wife, in the end you get it all out and your marriage is better off for it. Time for AC to get back to work.

I think this is right on.  All of it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 12:45:01 PM
If SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M, and he accepts, they can have him.  There's no reason to pay that kind of money for a basketball coach.  There's no reason to pay that much money for 3 basketball coaches.

More importantly, if SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M and he rejects them, what does that say about SMU?  I don't think I would want to be touting the money thrown around and the fact others can't match it if they don't get him.  Now, THAT would be embarrassing.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 12:45:54 PM
Thanks for not giving MU the che chance, Tom. Add this to the list.
See, you can appreciate Tom Crean for at least one thing that he did at MU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 12:46:26 PM
Not so sure about the NBA coach thing...  Not the best analogy, but Isiah Thomas.  Doc ain't a crackpot, but Thomas didn't attract the kids.

Thomas didn't recently (for the new recruits) win an NBA championship and wouldn't be moving to a low division 1 school (or should I say Isaiah Thompson)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LAZER on March 27, 2012, 12:47:34 PM
More importantly, if SMU wants to pay Buzz $6M and he rejects them, what does that say about SMU?  I don't think I would want to be touting the money thrown around and the fact others can't match it if they don't get him.  Now, THAT would be embarrassing.

Man I love Buzz and think he's a great coach, but for $6 mil I think they could do better than Buzz.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 12:48:45 PM
Man I love Buzz and think he's a great coach, but for $6 mil I think they could do better than Buzz.
I don't think they could do better than Buzz.  I think he's perfect for the job.  But there's no way he or any other college basketball coach should be making $6M per year at this time.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SMU20 on March 27, 2012, 12:49:51 PM
If you offered Buzz $10M per year, which you wouldn't, we could pay him $20M per year, which we also wouldn't. If the powers that be at Marquette wanted to make Buzz the highest paid coach in college, they have the financial wherewithal to do that. If it became a ridiculous financial pissing contest, maybe you have more boosters, and maybe you have ones that can outspend ours, but no one is going to pay Buzz 8 figures, and if it really came down to it, we have boosters that could authorize paying Buzz that much if they so chose without batting an eye.

It's not about money at all. If that were all this was about, there's be an offer, a counter offer, and a decision. This all would have been done Sunday.

its amazing how little you know...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mufansince72 on March 27, 2012, 12:50:46 PM
who are you?  An MU fan since 1972?  Really?  With these types of comments I'm wondering what you know.

I know nothing, just speculating as no one in their right mind would go to SMU right now for at least double their salary and lot's of promises.  If they want Buzz, they will have to pony up unheard of dollars.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 12:51:02 PM
Quote from: LAZER on Today at 12:47:34 PM
Man I love Buzz and think he's a great coach, but for $6 mil I think they could do better than Buzz.

I don't think they could do better than Buzz.  I think he's perfect for the job.  But there's no way he or any other college basketball coach should be making $6M per year at this time.

I think you two are saying the same thing.  But then again, I may have gotten confused on page 65 ...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 96warrior on March 27, 2012, 12:51:34 PM
who are you?  An MU fan since 1972?  Really?  With these types of comments I'm wondering what you know.

he never said 1972. been a fan since page 72 of this thread.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: AZWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:51:52 PM
I know more than you and have been pretty darn accurate


If I offered you what he is being offered you would give up your MU degree in a heartbeat...

Talk is cheap.  Provide verifiable details or no one will take you seriously.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU_Beav on March 27, 2012, 12:52:28 PM
SMU is either stupid or desperate if they are going to pay a college basketball coach $6 million. 

Both, clearly...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 12:52:43 PM
he never said 1972. been a fan since page 72 of this thread.

That's the page that finally got me as well.  I guess I need to change my name to MUMac72 ...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 96warrior on March 27, 2012, 12:53:24 PM
That's the page that finally got me as well.  I guess I need to change my name to MUMac72 ...

MQMac72, thank you very much
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 12:54:04 PM
Quote from: LAZER on Today at 12:47:34 PM
Man I love Buzz and think he's a great coach, but for $6 mil I think they could do better than Buzz.

I think you two are saying the same thing.  But then again, I may have gotten confused on page 65 ...
Close, but I don't think they could do better than Buzz just because they paid $6M.  I think Buzz is perfect for the job and you're not going to do better.

That is, unless everything he was saying all along was just a bunch of BS.  But I don't believe that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:54:16 PM
I personally saw Larry in action, I did not like what I saw and think he may be a mistake...



See this is the stuff that is dumb.  Assuming Larry is stupid because he is new without hearing what the real convo is behind the scenes.  That may be the conclusion in the end but give him a chance.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 12:55:00 PM
See, you can appreciate Tom Crean for at least one thing that he did at MU.

Absolutely. Dwyane Wade, Final Four, Buzz Williams and going to IU are my "final four".
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 12:56:04 PM
I believe in giving credit where credit is due.  However this turns out, this has got to be one of the most outstanding trolling efforts of all time.  These SMU fans (or are they Badger fans?) have done an amazing job.  Some day I'll be telling my children's children about the SMU troll of '12.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 12:56:31 PM
Thanks for not giving MU the chance, Tom. Add this to the list.

It wasn't about money.  We couldn't match the opportunity, the history, the tradition, the state school beloved by many in the state, the fertile recruiting grounds, the conference stability, the blueboodness of the program.  Matching money and term length is only one part.

It's Indiana, It's Indiana > It's Marquette.   I know people don't like to hear that, but this is fact.   At some point people here will accept this.  Kentucky, UCLA, Indiana, Kansas, Duke matching money isn't going to get it done.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lurch91 on March 27, 2012, 12:56:45 PM
Up that figure by about two million, that is what I heard

Wait, $6+ million annually for a college basketball coach?  Wouldn't that make Buzz the highest paid coach in ANY sport - collegiate or pro in the US?  Hell for that kind of money, why wouldn't SMU approach Bill Self, Roy Williams or Coach K?

Ok, found this before I posted, looks like he'd be second to Pitino.:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-coaches-salary-database.htm

For NCAA Football, Buzz would top them all:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-coaches-salaries-database/51244154/1

For NBA coaches looks like he'd tied Gregg Popovich and Mike D’Antoni, but be behind MU's own Doc Rivers (at $7m per year):
http://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/salary-and-contracts-of-nba-coaches/

And for NFL coaches Buzz would be 4th at $6m per year:
http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/04/patriots-redskins-seahawks-business-sports-nfl-highest-paid-coaches_slide_5.html

*I know some of these are a year old lists are a year old, but it's the most accurate info I could find.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ort5210 on March 27, 2012, 12:57:26 PM
I believe in giving credit where credit is due.  However this turns out, this has got to be one of the most outstanding trolling efforts of all time.  These SMU fans (or are they Badger fans?) have done an amazing job.  Some day I'll be telling my children's children about the SMU troll of '12.

1+
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 12:58:41 PM
Again, as has been said by others, how is this an "issue"?  Much less an issue that would rise to this level of stand-off between the two parties?

All I can think of is that the BOT is laying down some pretty draconian measures that Buzz thinks are far too severe.



So you are saying the BOT has squirmy feelings?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 27, 2012, 01:00:07 PM
I believe in giving credit where credit is due.  However this turns out, this has got to be one of the most outstanding trolling efforts of all time.  These SMU fans (or are they Badger fans?) have done an amazing job.  Some day I'll be telling my children's children about the SMU troll of '12.

Totally agree.  The SMU trolls have been top notch.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Special Brew on March 27, 2012, 01:00:32 PM
A point were noting is that SMU has loads of super-rich alum (though perhaps that was noted up in Page 34).  They don't care about the money, they care about winning. Remember, still the only school to have been given the death penalty? Worthy accolades...

If they afford $6M a year at a crap lower tier basketball team with no base, so be it. If that's what Buzz wants, so be it. My guess is that he's more interested in what he has at Marquette, but total speculation.
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 01:00:51 PM
Do you know what the divorce rate is these days?

It's a lot lower than most people think.  Just like the transfer rate is a lot higher than people think.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 01:00:58 PM
Thanks for the rationale, Chicos!

Whether you think he's Chicos or not, I find it hard to disagree with anything in that post.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 01:01:19 PM
Talk is cheap.  Provide verifiable details or no one will take you seriously.
 I'm not sure who on this board is taking him (them) seriously as it is.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 01:02:14 PM
its amazing how little you know...

No, you know nothing. Buzz was never and is never leaving Marquette for SMU. This thing has spun insanely out of control. Go troll somewhere else.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 27, 2012, 01:02:21 PM
So you are saying the BOT has squirmy feelings?
I am not in a position to know what feelings any of the involved parties have.  From what Buzz has preached since he's been here, he's either one of the great con men of all time or the administration must be proposing some awfully harsh penalties for further disciplinary problems.  

Or...all this is entirely made up.  

Or...ah hell. WHO THE F KNOWS!!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity'77 on March 27, 2012, 01:02:33 PM
I think it's hilarious that SMU fans are talking about how insane the money Buzz Williams would get.  Buzz makes $2.6 million a year.  The highest paid coach in the NCAA is Coach Cal at $4 million a year (that'll teach you not to cheat...).  The 2nd highest paid is Coach Izzo at $3.5 million a year (along with Billy Donovan and maybe others).  Is SMU really going to pay a coach with 5 years experience, whose best postseason is the Sweet 16, more than Izzo and Donovan, both guys with National Championships and Final Fours galore?  I have my doubts about that.

But wait, they're just going to slip money under the table to the coach.  That's what cheaters do to student-athletes, not to coaches.  And slipping money under the table within the athletic program has worked out really well throughout SMU's history...

talk about good timing, I just saw this today, Calipari's actual UK contract
http://media.kentucky.com/smedia/2012/03/26/13/48/Q6FQ2.So.79.pdf
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pakuni on March 27, 2012, 01:02:53 PM
A point were noting is that SMU has loads of super-rich alum (though perhaps that was noted up in Page 34).  They don't care about the money, they care about winning. Remember, still the only school to have been given the death penalty? Worthy accolades...

If they afford $6M a year at a crap lower tier basketball team with no base, so be it. If that's what Buzz wants, so be it. My guess is that he's more interested in what he has at Marquette, but total speculation.

And where, exactly, have these super-rich alum been the past three decades?
Did they just recently decide they care about winning?
Or did they recently learn that they're super rich?
Title: Re: Do we know any more today than we knew yesterday?
Post by: MarsupialMadness on March 27, 2012, 01:03:28 PM
It's a lot lower than most people think.  Just like the transfer rate is a lot higher than people think.

According to enrichment journal on the divorce rate in America:
The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41%
The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60%
The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73%

This would be Buzz's second marriage, no?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 27, 2012, 01:03:47 PM
Marquette can admit JUCOs all they want.  Doesn't mean the head coach is required to take JUCOs.


So MU will have two admittance policies around JUCO's?  If you are a JUCO applying to the College of Communications and you qualify academically but DON"T play basketball, you are in.  If you are the same but PLAY basketball, you are out. I want a piece of that lawsuit settlement action.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 27, 2012, 01:04:20 PM
Whether you think he's Chicos or not, I find it hard to disagree with anything in that post.

Except that there is no reason to post it, (I am pretty sure most people understand that), other than to rile up other posters just like his buddy was so exceptional at doing.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DomJamesToTheBasket on March 27, 2012, 01:05:32 PM
I find a contract worth 6 M or anywhere near that hard to believe.  Even at 4 M,  he would probably be making more than the average NBA coach.

http://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/salary-and-contracts-of-nba-coaches/ (http://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/salary-and-contracts-of-nba-coaches/)
Team   Season   Coach   Year / Length   Avg M$
per year   Link to
Atlanta   2011-12   Larry Drew   2 / 2   1,3   Source
Boston   2011-12   Doc Rivers   1 / 5   7   Source
Charlotte   2011-12   Paul Silas   1 / 1   ???   -
Chicago   2011-12   Tom Thibodeau   2 / 2   2   Source
Cleveland   2011-12   Byron Scott   2 / 4   4,5   Source
Dallas   2011-12   Rick Carlisle   4 / 4   4,375   Source
Denver   2011-12   George Karl   1 / 3   ???   -
Detroit   2011-12   Lawrence Frank   1 / 3   ???   -
Golden State   2011-12   Marc Jackson   1 / 3   2   Source
Houston   2011-12   Kevin McHale   1 / 3   ???   -
Indiana   2011-12   Frank Vogel   1 / 3   ???   -
LA Clippers   2011-12   Vinny Del Negro   2 / 3   ???   -
LA Lakers   2011-12   Mike Brown   1 / 4   4,5625   Source
Memphis   2011-12   Lionel Hollins   3 / 3   2   Source
Miami   2011-12   Erik Spoelstra   1 / 1   ???   -
Milwaukee   2011-12   Scott Skiles   4 / 4   ???   -
Minnesota   2011-12   Rick Adelman   1 / 4   5   Source
New Jersey   2011-12   Avery Johnson   2 / 3   4   Source
New Orleans   2011-12   Monty Williams   2 / 3   1   Source
New York   2011-12   Mike D’Antoni   4 / 4   6   Source
Oklahoma City   2011-12   Scott Brooks   3 / 3   1,5   Source
Orlando   2011-12   Stan Van Gundy   1 / 2   4,25   Source
Philadelphia   2011-12   Doug Collins   2 / 4   ???   -
Phoenix   2011-12   Alvin Gentry   1 / 1   2,15   Source
Portland   2011-12   Nate McMillan   1 / 2   ???   -
Sacramento   2011-12   Paul Westphal   1 / 1   2   Source
San Antonio   2011-12   Gregg Popovich   4 / 4   6   Source
Toronto   2011-12   Dwane Casey   1 / 2   3   Source
Utah   2011-12   Tyrone Corbin   1 / 2   ???   -
Washington   2011-12   Flip Saunders   3 / 4   4,5   Source
——————————————————————————————————————————————————–
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUBrooklyn on March 27, 2012, 01:05:46 PM
For what it's worth, Seth Davis tweeted, minutes ago, that he would be shocked if Buzz left. It's his job to know this stuff, and I think he knows more than anyone on this board about it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 01:06:16 PM
Except that there is no reason to post it, (I am pretty sure most people understand that), other than to rile up other posters just like his buddy was so exceptional at doing.

That's Chicos for sure. He went to Indiana for grad school and is a big IU supporter.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: smrunner99 on March 27, 2012, 01:06:23 PM
I had to get in on this eventually...  

I heard Buzz and the BOT are pitted against each other over how to practice free throws.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 27, 2012, 01:06:32 PM
Except that there is no reason to post it, (I am pretty sure most people understand that), other than to rile up other posters just like his buddy was so exceptional at doing.

As opposed to all the other posts in this thread that were added for perfectly good reason?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 27, 2012, 01:07:26 PM
MUMac72, thank you very much

Fixed.  Semi-permanently. :)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 01:07:54 PM
Thinking back on it, that line is brilliant! No matter when or where he leaves, he's already set it up so that it was because "they" won't have him anymore. It's gold, Jerry! Gold!


Might be Gold, but it is also crap.  They are paying him $2.6 million to have the reigns of a Big East school.  That is a huge commitment and more than saying they will have him.  If certain types of kids are of concern to the university and Buzz feels that he has to leave because of that, then that is Buzz's choice. MU has won here and will win again.  They are hardly putting restrictions on him that prevent him from winning.  Buzz is going to have a hard time winning that PR battle that MU would only pay him $2.6 million a year, the 2nd largest budget in the country, chartered flights, 2nd largest recruiting budget in the conference, and then claim MU didn't want him because they weren't willing to sacrifice some for a handful of recruits, especially in light of the bad PR the university has received.  That won't fly with many alumni.

I would hate to see him leave, but that's not an argument he wins in my opinion.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 27, 2012, 01:09:27 PM
As opposed to all the other posts in this thread that were added for perfectly good reason?

awesome, lets add a crean, chicos/hoopaloop discussion to this thread, why not we have just about everything else.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 01:09:50 PM
Thanks for the rationale, Chicos!

The humor never ends.

Don't forget this and the smiley face   http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=31777.1000    :-*
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 01:11:05 PM
Except that there is no reason to post it, (I am pretty sure most people understand that), other than to rile up other posters just like his buddy was so exceptional at doing.

It is clear that most people don't understand it if 4 years later they are still bringing it up.  It couldn't be any more clear. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MileHigh on March 27, 2012, 01:11:44 PM
 They want buzz...the end
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: AZWarrior on March 27, 2012, 01:11:58 PM
awesome, lets add a crean, chicos/hoopaloop discussion to this thread, why not we have just about everything else.


Bigfoot just walked through my parking lot.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mufansince72 on March 27, 2012, 01:12:19 PM
If this happens, I won't be bitching about lack of fan support at the BC for Tuesday night games anymore.  We wouldn't be able to fill the Al with the backlash that would occur.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 27, 2012, 01:14:33 PM
It is clear that most people don't understand it if 4 years later they are still bringing it up.  It couldn't be any more clear. 

Im not biting, besides you brought it up most recently
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 01:14:37 PM
Totally agree.  The SMU trolls have been top notch.

Said the same thing yesterday.  They have played most people here to epic proportions.  He isn't going anywhere.  If he does go, then he looks petty and we move on.  Three of our last 4 coaches took us to the Sweet 16. He has a crown jewel, millions of dollars, if he leaves it is on him.  I don't expect him to leave and do not want him to leave.  The sun will rise in the east again if he does.  WE ARE MARQUETTE did not become WE ARE BUZZ WILLIAMS LOYALISTS only.

Stay Buzz, you have a good thing going.  You can't keep quitting jobs every time you feel you aren't getting your way.  One time might be the exception. Two times becomes a pattern.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 01:14:51 PM
It wasn't about money.  We couldn't match the opportunity, the history, the tradition, the state school beloved by many in the state, the fertile recruiting grounds, the conference stability, the blueboodness of the program.  Matching money and term length is only one part.

It's Indiana, It's Indiana > It's Marquette.   I know people don't like to hear that, but this is fact.   At some point people here will accept this.  Kentucky, UCLA, Indiana, Kansas, Duke matching money isn't going to get it done.

Bluebloodness? Really? I used to help a friend of mine from the engineering school with his English papers. Who wrote yours?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 01:15:31 PM
As opposed to all the other posts in this thread that were added for perfectly good reason?

I was just about to post something about you using Henry Sugar's avatar of Rob Lowe/Drew Peterson....but you ARE Henry Sugar!  What's the deal with that?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 01:16:02 PM
That's Chicos for sure. He went to Indiana for grad school and is a big IU supporter.

 ::)   If Crean went to Kentucky as was rumored a few years ago, I would make the same statement.  It's Kentucky, It's Kentucky > It's Marquette.

You cannot just match money, there are programs in which money is not the reason you go.

I did not go to Indiana, the thought makes my skin crawl.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 27, 2012, 01:19:04 PM
I know nothing, just speculating as no one in their right mind would go to SMU right now for at least double their salary and lot's of promises.  If they want Buzz, they will have to pony up unheard of dollars.  

That is the plan. If we get Williams, it is NOT JUST ABOUT BASKETBALL.  For almost 20 years, SMU has been investing in improving the academics, the facilities, and student life on campus.  All the old buildings were renovated and new buildings were built.

We started with FB. We overpaid to hire a coach who had coached his team to the Sugar Bowl. 5 years later, we managed to get out from under our CUSA/MWC fate.  Next up is our BB program.  If we get Williams, it will cost a fortune but it is part of the overall plan for the school.

In 10 years, SMU wants to be more like Vandy, Wake Forrest, Northwestern and BC, To do that, we need to offer BCS level programs in FB and BB.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUUWUWM on March 27, 2012, 01:20:22 PM
 INDYWARRIOR....Thanks for the update ;D
Please keep us posted.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mviale on March 27, 2012, 01:21:07 PM
That is the plan. If we get Williams, it is NOT JUST ABOUT BASKETBALL.  For almost 20 years, SMU has been investing in improving the academics, the facilities, and student life on campus.  All the old buildings were renovated and new buildings were built.

We started with FB. We overpaid to hire a coach who had coached his team to the Sugar Bowl. 5 years later, we managed to get out from under our CUSA/MWC fate.  Next up is our BB program.  If we get Williams, it will cost a fortune but it is part of the overall plan for the school.

In 10 years, SMU wants to be more like Vandy, Wake Forrest, Northwestern and BC, To do that, we need to offer BCS level programs in FB and BB.  
The state of Texas is laughing.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 27, 2012, 01:21:41 PM
I was just about to post something about you using Henry Sugar's avatar of Rob Lowe/Drew Peterson....but you ARE Henry Sugar!  What's the deal with that?

<shrugs>  no real reason.  just kinda felt like mixing it up.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Special Brew on March 27, 2012, 01:22:23 PM
And where, exactly, have these super-rich alum been the past three decades?
Did they just recently decide they care about winning?
Or did they recently learn that they're super rich?

My guess is a little of all three. It's not known as a bball school. Trying to reclimb the football ladder (not that June Jones or whoever is the coach there is one to do it) and stop the 'death penalty' stigma.

Personally, I think this whole thing is stupid for a multitude of reasons.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 01:22:50 PM
Bluebloodness? Really? I used to help a friend of mine from the engineering school with his English papers. Who wrote yours?

English was never my strong point.  I wrote my own.  I probably should have put "bluebloodness" in quotes as it is a made up word.  

The point remains, matching money doesn't matter.  MU is not IU.  MU is not UK.  MU is not KU.  MU is not UCLA.  MU is not Duke.  MU is not UNC.  For Kevin O'Neill MU was not Tennessee.  For Rick Majerus, MU was not the asst coaching job for the Milwaukee Bucks.

For Buzz Williams, MU > UNO but maybe not > SMU.   If Buzz leaves, it is on Buzz and no one else.  He has a great thing going on at Marquette.  MU took a lot of $hit giving Buzz the head coaching position.  MU stuck their necks out for this guy.  He has quit one job already.  Is he going to quit another in less than five years?  

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 27, 2012, 01:23:10 PM
I have to admit, I never expected the statement, We want to be more like Northwestern, to ever be posted on a basketball message board.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on March 27, 2012, 01:24:44 PM
Bigfoot just walked through my parking lot.

You saw the Samsquanch?????????????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j5e8NUrkys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j5e8NUrkys)

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 01:26:09 PM
And where, exactly, have these super-rich alum been the past three decades?
Did they just recently decide they care about winning?
Or did they recently learn that they're super rich?

No denying the wealth that SMU and their alumni have.  More than likely pouring money into a basketball program at the CUSA level is a hard sell.  When SMU agreed to come to the Big East they would have to sell that to the Big East that they are committed to winning and committed to the resources behind it.  Much easier to get big boosters to support their school in the Big East than CUSA.  There is also the scared straight consequences if you don't.  SMU could get obliterated in the Big East if they don't pony (pun) up.  It's a national stage.  CUSA is not.  For the sake of the school being competitive, they may have people not stepping into that role.  Whether it is Buzz, Seth or someone else, they are going to make a big commitment as a result of the Big East invitation.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 27, 2012, 01:26:51 PM
Have fun reading this exercise in futility.


http://ponyfans.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=60597

See what you started.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 01:27:59 PM
That is the plan. If we get Williams, it is NOT JUST ABOUT BASKETBALL.  For almost 20 years, SMU has been investing in improving the academics, the facilities, and student life on campus.  All the old buildings were renovated and new buildings were built.

We started with FB. We overpaid to hire a coach who had coached his team to the Sugar Bowl. 5 years later, we managed to get out from under our CUSA/MWC fate.  Next up is our BB program.  If we get Williams, it will cost a fortune but it is part of the overall plan for the school.

In 10 years, SMU wants to be more like Vandy, Wake Forrest, Northwestern and BC, To do that, we need to offer BCS level programs in FB and BB.  

I'm sure I speak for most of us when I say good luck. Marquette made a committment post-Mike Deane that it was going to do everything it could to have an Elite basketball program again. MU's plan was two fold: 1) get the best coach possible and 2) have the best facilities.

We had Crean and then Buzz. We play in an NBA facility and have one of the best practice facilities in college basketball.

We are in year 9 or 10 (?) of our plan and after spending a lot of time in the Top 10 of the polls, making back to back Sweet 16s among a 7-year tourney run, being an attendance leader, and putting multiple players in the NBA, we feel good. We're on our way.

We know what a well executed plan in athletics can do for a university. Good luck to SMU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 01:28:30 PM
I have to admit, I never expected the statement, We want to be more like Northwestern, to ever be posted on a basketball message board.

Consider who posted it.  No way anyone in the athletic department did.  The BOT and the AD might have some concerns about some of the kids that have been brought in, but that doesn't mean MU wants to be Northwestern.  That is extreme talk.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 01:28:38 PM
I have to go into a meeting at 3 this afternoon.  I'm afraid when I get back I'll be so far behind I'll never be able to catch up.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 27, 2012, 01:29:22 PM
I was referring to the post about SMU trying to be like Northwestern and Vanderbilt.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 27, 2012, 01:29:46 PM
My guess is a little of all three. It's not known as a bball school. Trying to reclimb the football ladder (not that June Jones or whoever is the coach there is one to do it) and stop the 'death penalty' stigma.

Personally, I think this whole thing is stupid for a multitude of reasons.

Because MU is not a football school, it is hard for your alums to understand that SMU cannot allow itself to fall out of the BCS level again.  While we are excited about joining the Big East and are looking forward to joining with our new partners (who are a great bunch of schools), we all understand that it might not work long term.  

If the Big East breaks up, SMU wants to be able to offer other conferences three things: 1) the Dallas/FW TV market, 2) a viable FB program, and 3) a viable basketball .  Without the last two, we cannot offer the first.  If we cannot offer the first, it is off to CUSA/MWC/WAC again and we didn't like that very much.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 27, 2012, 01:31:01 PM
You saw the Samsquanch?????????????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j5e8NUrkys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j5e8NUrkys)

Bet SMU14-25 are a lot like Bubbles. 
If I got a pet, I'd call it Steve French.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: jficke13 on March 27, 2012, 01:32:59 PM
Because MU is not a football school, it is hard for your alums to understand that SMU cannot allow itself to fall out of the BCS level again.  While we are excited about joining the Big East and are looking forward to joining with our new partners (who are a great bunch of schools), we all understand that it might not work long term.  

If the Big East breaks up, SMU wants to be able to offer other conferences three things: 1) the Dallas/FW TV market, 2) a viable FB program, and 3) a viable basketball .  Without the last two, we cannot offer the first.  If we cannot offer the first, it is off to CUSA/MWC/WAC again and we didn't like that very much.

BBall is irrelevant to redistricting. Kansas has no bargaining power in redistricting so basketball is meaningless for that scene.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 01:34:44 PM
Because MU is not a football school, it is hard for your alums to understand that SMU cannot allow itself to fall out of the BCS level again.  While we are excited about joining the Big East and are looking forward to joining with our new partners (who are a great bunch of schools), we all understand that it might not work long term.  

If the Big East breaks up, SMU wants to be able to offer other conferences three things: 1) the Dallas/FW TV market, 2) a viable FB program, and 3) a viable basketball .  Without the last two, we cannot offer the first.  If we cannot offer the first, it is off to CUSA/MWC/WAC again and we didn't like that very much.
We understand it.  No need to have college football to understand why you would want to be in one of the top conferences.  And I truly hope you succeed.  All this craziness notwithstanding, having a strong SMU doesn't hurt MU in any way and can only improve the standing of the Big East.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 01:35:24 PM
English was never my strong point.  I wrote my own.  I probably should have put "bluebloodness" in quotes as it is a made up word.  

The point remains, matching money doesn't matter.  MU is not IU.  MU is not UK.  MU is not KU.  MU is not UCLA.  MU is not Duke.  MU is not UNC.  For Kevin O'Neill MU was not Tennessee.  For Rick Majerus, MU was not the asst coaching job for the Milwaukee Bucks.

For Buzz Williams, MU > UNO but maybe not > SMU.   If Buzz leaves, it is on Buzz and no one else.  He has a great thing going on at Marquette.  MU took a lot of $hit giving Buzz the head coaching position.  MU stuck their necks out for this guy.  He has quit one job already.  Is he going to quit another in less than five years?  



OK. MU sucks, but Buzz Williams should kiss the feet of the MU administrators for hiring him. The AD, President and BOT are wonderful and any disagreements are all Buzz's fault. And Buzz is a quitter. But you're a big fan of his. Right.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 01:35:47 PM
BBall is irrelevant to redistricting. Kansas has no bargaining power in redistricting so basketball is meaningless for that scene.
You can't be so bad in basketball that the conference reconsiders adding your football.  I think that's what he is saying.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MileHigh on March 27, 2012, 01:36:32 PM
SMU20 who are you?  Even your own message board doesn't necessarily like you.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 27, 2012, 01:36:55 PM
I was referring to the post about SMU trying to be like Northwestern and Vanderbilt.

Having learned out lesson in the Death Penalty era, we don't really expect to compete for national championships in Football again.  

We need to be more like Vandy (in the SEC) and less like Tulane (in the CUSA/MWC).  If that means taking a few beatings on the field/court, so be it.  

It is impossible to draw fans in Dallas to see UAB, Tulsa, Tulane, and Rice play.  It just is.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 01:37:11 PM
SMU20 who are you?  Even your own message board doesn't necessarily like you.
How do they feel about SMU17 and SMU18?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 01:37:52 PM
OK. MU sucks, but Buzz Williams should kiss the feet of the MU administrators for hiring him. The AD, President and BOT are wonderful and any disagreements are all Buzz's fault. And Buzz is a quitter. But you're a big fan of his. Right.

(http://i.imgur.com/qlRu3.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/DDMBW.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/y8F8s.gif)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on March 27, 2012, 01:38:19 PM
Bet SMU14-25 are a lot like Bubbles. 
If I got a pet, I'd call it Steve French.

If you love something, set it free.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 01:39:50 PM
See what you started.

Yeahahhhhh, sorry about that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 27, 2012, 01:41:59 PM
BBall is irrelevant to redistricting. Kansas has no bargaining power in redistricting so basketball is meaningless for that scene.

While Kansas would probably have landed in a BCS level conference somewhere, Iowa State, K-State and Tech were terrified that OSU/OU/UT were going to bolt for the Pac 12 or SEC.  If that had happend, all three could have been up ship creek.   With horrible TV markets, the other conferences were not lining up to add them to their TV package.

Frankly, we understand that we were lucky to get into the BE for football. In return for our FB program, we promised to step up our BB program and we plan to keep our promise.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 01:43:51 PM
While Kansas would probably have landed in a BCS level conference somewhere, Iowa State, K-State and Tech were terrified that OSU/OU/UT were going to bolt for the Pac 12 or SEC.  If that had happend, all three could have been up ship creek.   With horrible TV markets, the other conferences were not lining up to add them to their TV package.

Frankly, we understand that we were lucky to get into the BE for football. In return for our FB program, we promised to step up our BB program and we plan to keep our promise. 

Well, if you guys end up with our coach at least you'll have a bball rivalry game your first year in conference :P
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 01:49:23 PM
I want to know who is floating the academics are an issue rumor?  I know for a fact the NCAA was in auditing MU's student athlete academic policy and support programs and they were recommended as a model for our universities.  So how is Buzz monkeying with academics?

If there is any truth to the friction I'm starting to really think this is the BOT and LW overreacting to the combination of off court issues, feeling Buzz is getting too big, and the issues popping up at UConn and Syracuse.  To me once again the BOT moves the wrong amount and in the wrong direction.

Just adding some rampant speculation to this otherwise sane thread
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 27, 2012, 01:49:32 PM
Frankly, we understand that we were lucky to get into the BE for football. In return for our FB program, we promised to step up our BB program and we plan to keep our promise.  

Here's the thing that gets me with this:  In much the same way the BigEast prevents athletes transferring intraconference, wouldn't they consider the same about coaches and other staff?
If that's the case, then no worries for us.

If not, then Larry and Pilarz have to be freaking out about what the BigEast negotiated with SMU (and possibly others).  Assuming any of this is actually happening.  

/gets torch
//seeks BigEast-foot
///burns the BigEast-foot
////realizes BigEast-foot was just an animal.  Just like me.
/////sheds a tear

Anyone want to photoshop Moe (3 Stooges) hair onto Fr. Pilarz?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 01:52:26 PM
I want to know who is floating the academics are an issue rumor?  I know for a fact the NCAA was in auditing MU's student athlete academic policy and support programs and they were recommended as a model for our universities.  So how is Buzz monkeying with academics?

If there is any truth to the friction I'm starting to really think this is the BOT and LW overreacting to the combination of off court issues, feeling Buzz is getting too big, and the issues popping up at UConn and Syracuse.  To me once again the BOT moves the wrong amount and in the wrong direction.

Just adding some rampant speculation to this otherwise sane thread
I think this is all a self fulling prophecy.  It was a nonissue until either Buzz or LW read starting reading this thread (they obviously couldn't have read all of it AND had time to have any heated discussions).
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 01:53:20 PM
Why wouldn't Buzz use Illinois as leverage vs SMU, too close to home and could impact recruiting?  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 01:56:02 PM
The other question is how sustainable is this thread?  I would think if Buzz is going they'd announce today otherwise how long could this thread possibly go?  If Buzz stays do they say anything, are we watching for white smoke or something??

I'm both grateful and terrified that I'm flying out to Seattle tomorrow morning.  Grateful because I won't have to refresh my browser every 5 minutes for the 6 hours I'll be traveling, but terrified that something bad will drop while I'm airborne.....and you never want something bad dropping while flying.  :o
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 01:57:48 PM
The other question is how sustainable is this thread?  I would think if Buzz is going they'd announce today otherwise how long could this thread possibly go?  If Buzz stays do they say anything, are we watching for white smoke or something??

I'm both grateful and terrified that I'm flying out to Seattle tomorrow morning.  Grateful because I won't have to refresh my browser every 5 minutes for the 6 hours I'll be traveling, but terrified that something bad will drop while I'm airborne.....and you never want something bad dropping while flying.  :o
some airlines let you pay for wifi now.  Obviously you'll have to pony up.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: hairy worthen on March 27, 2012, 01:59:04 PM
some airlines let you pay for wifi now.  Obviously you'll have to pony up.

pun intended i presume
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 01:59:15 PM
some airlines let you pay for wifi now.  Obviously you'll have to pony up.

Let's just hope Buzz doesn't "pony up".
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 01:59:31 PM
Less than 500 posts to go until we pass the baseball pissing match and make this ridiculous thing the longest thread in MUScoop history!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 02:00:09 PM
~500 posts away from top posted thread; not even a top 10 viewed thread yet.

Damn you Starr Jones and D-Wade rumors.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 02:00:25 PM
pun intended i presume
I almost added "(pun intended?)" to the end of the post.  Typed it and deleted it in fact.   ;D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity'77 on March 27, 2012, 02:00:43 PM
isn't it about time to change the title of this car wreck?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 02:00:56 PM
Less than 500 posts to go until we pass the baseball pissing match and make this ridiculous thing the longest thread in MUScoop history!

You have to lock threads at around 100 pages and start a new one.  It's a limitation of SMF forums iirc.

Otherwise the baseball pissing match would be well past 100 pages by now.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 02:01:38 PM
Why wouldn't Buzz use Illinois as leverage vs SMU, too close to home and could impact recruiting?  

Because Illinois wouldn't have the same leverage.  It sounds like MU is ok with Buzz leaving, and they can explain away Illinois as a better job(its not but they could rationalize it).  With SMU nobody can spin that for a sustained amount of time and have it believable.  So the leverage with SMU is it would be wildly embarassing to MU whereas Illinois not so much.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 02:02:25 PM
some airlines let you pay for wifi now.  Obviously you'll have to pony up.

Yeah I know, but I'd end up putting it on the corporate card and then doing very little corporate work :)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 02:02:56 PM
~500 posts away from top posted thread; not even a top 10 viewed thread yet.

Damn you Starr Jones and D-Wade rumors.
Actually the ratio of posts to views for this thread has been pretty amazing.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Special Brew on March 27, 2012, 02:07:40 PM
Because Illinois wouldn't have the same leverage.  It sounds like MU is ok with Buzz leaving, and they can explain away Illinois as a better job(its not but they could rationalize it).  With SMU nobody can spin that for a sustained amount of time and have it believable.  So the leverage with SMU is it would be wildly embarassing to MU whereas Illinois not so much.

I ask this honestly, but why is it embarrassing to us? Our coach leaves for a huge payday at a terrible basketball school, which happens to be close to home. If you want to bring up issues within the BOT and AD, fine, but I still fail to understand how Marquette ends up looking silly.

If he leaves, he leaves. Nuff said, let's find a new coach.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 02:08:32 PM
Yeah I know, but I'd end up putting it on the corporate card and then doing very little corporate work :)
I'm being paid for being at work today and doing very little work.   ;D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 02:09:02 PM
Yeah I know, but I'd end up putting it on the corporate card and then doing very little corporate work :)


It's the American Way.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 02:10:47 PM
Actually, if Buzz left for SMU then MU could say "we did everything we could to keep him, but he wanted to go home...and we weren't matching $6 million." and most people would accept that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bocephys on March 27, 2012, 02:12:34 PM
Actually, if Buzz left for SMU then MU could say "we did everything we could to keep him, but he wanted to go home...and we weren't matching $6 million." and most people would accept that.

Unless things start leaking that the BOT was actually happy this offer came because it gave them an easy out.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Marqevans on March 27, 2012, 02:13:48 PM
77 pages on this? Really?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 02:14:15 PM
I ask this honestly, but why is it embarrassing to us? Our coach leaves for a huge payday at a terrible basketball school, which happens to be close to home. If you want to bring up issues within the BOT and AD, fine, but I still fail to understand how Marquette ends up looking silly.

If he leaves, he leaves. Nuff said, let's find a new coach.



Its embarrassing because the media will dig.  We saw it like 653 pages ago that someone posted that Seth Davis tweeted he'd be shocked if Buzz left for SMU.  If Buzz leaves, people like Seth are going to dig and the BOT, AD, and Prez won't be able to control everything that comes out and if they pushed out a coach that got to back to back sweet 16s and on the surface said all the right things they are going to lose that PR fight.  And lets face it, when its comes to PR and handling delicate situations the BOT is about as handy as a one legged man in ass kicking contest.

I'm not saying this is a great strategy for Buzz, but if he's truly unhappy with the admins this is his only play.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu03eng on March 27, 2012, 02:15:20 PM
Actually, if Buzz left for SMU then MU could say "we did everything we could to keep him, but he wanted to go home...and we weren't matching $6 million." and most people would accept that.

This assumes Buzz and/or his mouthpieces don't let the cat out of the bag.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 27, 2012, 02:15:42 PM
Actually, if Buzz left for SMU then MU could say "we did everything we could to keep him, but he wanted to go home...and we weren't matching $6 million." and most people would accept that.

Coach K isnt even worth 6 MIL! lol
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 27, 2012, 02:16:51 PM
Coach K isnt even worth 6 MIL! lol

If you have been stuck dating the ugly girls with bad skin, the above-average girl looks mighty good.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 02:18:28 PM
Actually, if Buzz left for SMU then MU could say "we did everything we could to keep him, but he wanted to go home...and we weren't matching $6 million." and most people would accept that.
I think the $6M number was completely unsubstantiated.  Someone threw it out there without intending it to be taken as factual and a few people (myself included) misunderstood and posted about it.  Then it magically became true.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 02:19:35 PM
I think the $6M number was completely unsubstantiated.  Someone threw it out there without intending it to be taken as factual and a few people (myself included) misunderstood and posted about it.  Then it magically became true.

Then it must be true.  That is the way the internet and message boards work ...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Wade for President on March 27, 2012, 02:21:36 PM
77 pages on this? Really?

+1,000,000

This is like train wreck tv.  Buzz will be the coach @ MU next year.  Let's end the madness.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: IlikecreansoIcantposthere on March 27, 2012, 02:21:48 PM
MU just sent this out:

Marquette Athletics‏@muathleticsReply


Join Head Coach Buzz Williams, staff and team as we celebrate the 2011-12 season! All are invited. http://ow.ly/9UHxg #mubb



and added this to the web page:

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032712aaa.html



maybe a good indication?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 02:22:30 PM
+1,000,000

This is like train wreck tv.  Buzz will be the coach @ MU next year.  Let's end the madness.

We can not end this thread until it reaches record status.  How dare you say anything other than that
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 02:23:08 PM
MU just sent this out:

Marquette Athletics‏@muathleticsReply


Join Head Coach Buzz Williams, staff and team as we celebrate the 2011-12 season! All are invited. http://ow.ly/9UHxg #mubb



and added this to the web page:

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032712aaa.html



maybe a good indication?

This is the third time someone's posted the same marketing email :P
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 02:23:17 PM
I'm being paid for being at work today and doing very little work.   ;D

^ this
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 02:23:59 PM
MU just sent this out:

Marquette Athletics‏@muathleticsReply


Join Head Coach Buzz Williams, staff and team as we celebrate the 2011-12 season! All are invited. http://ow.ly/9UHxg #mubb



and added this to the web page:

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032712aaa.html



maybe a good indication?

Is Buzz gonna fly back from Dallas for this?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 02:25:19 PM
We can not end this thread until it reaches record status.  How dare you say anything other than that

I'll never be a top ten poster, but I'm hoping starting this most epic of delusional, unsubstantiated, freakout panic threads ever can get me in the record books.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 02:25:30 PM
I think the $6M number was completely unsubstantiated.  Someone threw it out there without intending it to be taken as factual and a few people (myself included) misunderstood and posted about it.  Then it magically became true.


Do the BOT & AD really think they can bring in a coach who is more concerned about the kids he brings in and molding them into men than Buzz?  Maybe they've put out feelers to the Pope.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dearest friend on March 27, 2012, 02:26:28 PM
Howie saying everything we all already know, in a more composed way.

http://www.insidemilwaukee.com/Article/3272012-BuzzMarquetteandtheFuture
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 02:27:05 PM
MU just sent this out:

Marquette Athletics‏@muathleticsReply


Join Head Coach Buzz Williams, staff and team as we celebrate the 2011-12 season! All are invited. http://ow.ly/9UHxg #mubb

That's so 100 pages ago.



and added this to the web page:

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032712aaa.html



maybe a good indication?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 27, 2012, 02:27:44 PM
OK.  I brought up something (3 pages, but 5 minutes ago) regarding BigEast regulations/bylaws on coaches leaving for other conference schools - in the same way that players cannot transfer between schools (which may be a gentleman's agreement for all I know). 

Does anyone know if any of the PUBLIC schools that are coming to the BEast have put their agreements on the internet? 

I know SMU isn't public, nor is the BEast - so FOIA requests and disclosure do not apply.  I would guess SMU's agreement wouldn't be much different than UCF's or Temple's for that matter.  I have looked and haven't found anything yet.
Curious if this is even something that is possibly under the guidelines.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pony in DC on March 27, 2012, 02:28:31 PM
Don't take all these SMU trolls seriously.  They don't know anything yet.  I'm an alum of the SMU undergrad and law school-- not an insider or big donor type, just a fan.  I know as much as those guys do, which is nothing.  This is all speculation right now.

Whether we get Buzz or he stays with you, at least we have built up a nice little new Big East rivalry before even playing a game.  Congrats on the tourney run, even though you didn't get as far as you had hoped.  You have a great program that new Big East members should try to emulate.

I will say, however, that you shouldn't take info from the SMU subscriber site and post it here.  Pretty weak and it could get MUScoop into some legal trouble.  

Looking forward joining the Big East and coming up there for some great basketball.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 02:28:43 PM
Real quick note unrelated from the coach thing: someone here cut and pasted from the SMU rivals site and posted it here. It's a pay site and those dudes work hard for that info.  Not cool. Their moderator has requested that we refrain from doing that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Special Brew on March 27, 2012, 02:28:48 PM
Its embarrassing because the media will dig.  We saw it like 653 pages ago that someone posted that Seth Davis tweeted he'd be shocked if Buzz left for SMU.  If Buzz leaves, people like Seth are going to dig and the BOT, AD, and Prez won't be able to control everything that comes out and if they pushed out a coach that got to back to back sweet 16s and on the surface said all the right things they are going to lose that PR fight.  And lets face it, when its comes to PR and handling delicate situations the BOT is about as handy as a one legged man in ass kicking contest.

I'm not saying this is a great strategy for Buzz, but if he's truly unhappy with the admins this is his only play.

I think we'd all be shocked if he left for the SMU job. As people have said, it ain't KU or IU or MSU or UNC, etc. Saying the media will dig is like saying I'll crap later today. But will they find anything? I'd be shocked if they did...as you point out, with Buzz' accomplishments, it'd be plain stupid if the school tried to push him out (then again...). If he thinks the AD and BOT aren't supporting him enough, ok, fine...But a power play like this seems pretty amateur in using SMU. IL maybe, but what will he achieve or get out of this? More money, power, control? I dunno if this will work for that.

This may be a time to point out or remind people that Buzz has no agent coordinating all this.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bocephys on March 27, 2012, 02:29:24 PM
Is Buzz gonna fly back from Dallas for this?

I'll bet the rich SMU alums will lend him their plane.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 02:32:29 PM
I'll bet the rich SMU alums will lend him their plane.

Based on the contract he's getting from SMU, I bet he already bought his own plane.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 02:32:57 PM
Real quick note unrelated from the coach thing: someone here cut and pasted from the rivals site and posted it here. It's a pay site and those dudes work hard for that info.  Not cool.

It wasn't directly copy and pasted.  Giving a summary is fair use.

Good luck suing some anonymous user on the internet for not-exactly copying 6 sentences from a forum of information :P
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 27, 2012, 02:33:37 PM
OK.  I brought up something (3 pages, but 5 minutes ago) regarding BigEast regulations/bylaws on coaches leaving for other conference schools - in the same way that players cannot transfer between schools (which may be a gentleman's agreement for all I know). 

...
Curious if this is even something that is possibly under the guidelines.

Since we aren't in the Big East yet, I don't think any provision like that would apply.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 27, 2012, 02:33:51 PM
This is the third time someone's posted the same marketing email :P

good job marketing department!

(will the head of marketing please report to Larry Williams' office, please)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 02:35:16 PM
For what it's worth, Seth Davis tweeted, minutes ago, that he would be shocked if Buzz left. It's his job to know this stuff, and I think he knows more than anyone on this board about it.

Actually I don't think he does.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 02:36:23 PM
Since we aren't in the Big East yet, I don't think any provision like that would apply.  

I was under the impression that schools can set their own provisions (i.e. MU could say that a transfer can't go to Wisconsin).
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pony in DC on March 27, 2012, 02:37:23 PM
It wasn't directly copy and pasted.  Giving a summary is fair use.

Good luck suing some anonymous user on the internet for not-exactly copying 6 sentences from a forum of information :P

It was directly copied and pasted.  No one would get sued, but the moderator of this site will be forced to remove that post and may possibly remove the entire thread (which actually may be a good thing for you guys).  Getting zero work done this week with all of this stuff...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 77ncaachamps on March 27, 2012, 02:37:30 PM
This must be the most epic thread ever on MUScoop.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bocephys on March 27, 2012, 02:38:04 PM
Actually I don't think he does.

Only SMU18 and Buzz really know what's going on.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MileHigh on March 27, 2012, 02:38:22 PM
It wasn't directly copy and pasted.  Giving a summary is fair use.

Good luck suing some anonymous user on the internet for not-exactly copying 6 sentences from a forum of information :P

Just dumbed down the synopsis even further...when in reality it was what everyone knew already.  Just in concise 8 bullet format.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 27, 2012, 02:38:30 PM
Actually I don't think he does.

Especially if he thinks money is the issue. I thought it was all coming down to academic and discipline issues and Buzz accepting the restraints. It's a take it or leave it offer on the table now to Buzz isn't it?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 02:38:36 PM
Only SMU18 and Buzz really know what's going on.

Closing in on 2,000 replies
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 27, 2012, 02:39:36 PM
Since we aren't in the Big East yet, I don't think any provision like that would apply.  

I would imagine it would.  There are agreements to enhance the athletics and facilities of SMU, why wouldn't there be something in there regarding poaching recruits/coaching/administrative staff - or a general acceptance of BEast by-laws leading up to?  

So, anyone have a BEast agreement from a public school joining up?

(1953)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: spiral97 on March 27, 2012, 02:42:03 PM
It wasn't directly copy and pasted.  Giving a summary is fair use.

Good luck suing some anonymous user on the internet for not-exactly copying 6 sentences from a forum of information :P

You are not anonymous Sally.  :D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 02:43:43 PM

Do the BOT & AD really think they can bring in a coach who is more concerned about the kids he brings in and molding them into men than Buzz?  Maybe they've put out feelers to the Pope.
Don't know what this has to do with my post you quoted, but assuming Buzz is not just full of BS (and I don't think he is, but if he's flirting with other jobs over ___ then who knows) they cannot do better than Buzz in this regard.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 27, 2012, 02:44:35 PM
That inside info from SMU added nothing that hasn't already been posted here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 02:44:56 PM
You are not anonymous Sally.  :D

I'm anonymous to people that aren't admins here.  I expect you to protect my anonymity while I spout off! :p

And please refrain from using my real name any more!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 02:46:09 PM
Since we aren't in the Big East yet, I don't think any provision like that would apply.  

I think there could be, but not sure if there is.  I asked the same question yesterday.  The BE has a transfer rule that does not allow transfers within conference.  I am too lazy to look it up right now, but I know you have to sit out two years.  I do not believe you may receive a scholarship - but the last part I am not 100% sure of.  

Now, when the BE expanded, did they include a clause that requires adherance of these rules?  That is the question.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DomJamesToTheBasket on March 27, 2012, 02:46:24 PM
So if the nightmare becomes reality, does that make Benford the most likely replacement?

That might not be too bad.  Didn't he land a lot of our recruits?  It's obviously a major key to keep the guys on board because in 2 years MU has clear top 10 talent.  That would be a necessary spring board to keep the program rolling....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JD on March 27, 2012, 02:48:10 PM
So.....

Taco Bell now has the Nacho Dorito Taco shells am I correct?


See what i did there, as much substance as everything else in here, the only difference is mine is true.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bieberhole69 on March 27, 2012, 02:49:58 PM
So.....

Taco Bell now has the Nacho Dorito Taco shells am I correct?


See what i did there, as much substance as everything else in here, the only difference is mine is true.

Duh, Matt Christiano drove 965 miles just to get them!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bocephys on March 27, 2012, 02:50:23 PM
So.....

Taco Bell now has the Nacho Dorito Taco shells am I correct?


See what i did there, as much substance as everything else in here, the only difference is mine is true.

You are correct, but I was not a fan.  Cheese dust gets everywhere and something is off about the flavor.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Les Nessman on March 27, 2012, 02:50:45 PM
Duh, Matt Christiano drove 965 miles just to get them!

I wish that kid crashed his car. I hate that commercial.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JD on March 27, 2012, 02:51:54 PM
You are correct, but I was not a fan.  Cheese dust gets everywhere and something is off about the flavor.


Thank you, i'm glad out of all of this madness at least i now know, not to waste my time!

Cheers
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 27, 2012, 02:52:04 PM
So.....

Taco Bell now has the Nacho Dorito Taco shells am I correct?


See what i did there, as much substance as everything else in here, the only difference is mine is true.

wait, are those the ones you have to travel across the country to get. I think i saw a commercial about them. A car load of coeds drove thousands of miles to get them and they looked liked they had as much fun as those people in the mountain dew commercials
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysChestHair on March 27, 2012, 02:52:58 PM
This may be a time to point out or remind people that Buzz has no agent coordinating all this.

Out of curiosity if there comes the day that Buzz does hire an agent or has an unofficial sort of "advisor" doing the leg work on these such matters, is he obligated to update us on the message boards so we can refrain from reminding people this?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: AZWarrior on March 27, 2012, 02:53:07 PM
Novak scored 7 last night in a victory against the Bucks.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 27, 2012, 02:53:15 PM
I wish that kid crashed his car. I hate that commercial.

you can get the best nachos in the city on like 19th and Center, or somewhere around there.  All the fixings, dumped on a bag of nacho doritos in a Styrofoam container. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 02:53:33 PM
Skatastrophy is a chick?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 27, 2012, 02:54:40 PM
Skatastrophy is a chick?

You can only tell if you get real close to her
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 02:54:54 PM
So MU will have two admittance policies around JUCO's?  If you are a JUCO applying to the College of Communications and you qualify academically but DON"T play basketball, you are in.  If you are the same but PLAY basketball, you are out. I want a piece of that lawsuit settlement action.

Huh?  Never said that.  If JUCOs want to come to Marquette that's great.  Marquette won't deny their admission because they went to a JUCO.  That doesn't mean Buzz is forced to recruit JUCOs.  Pillarz and Williams could tell Buzz they only want him recruiting 4 year high school players.  If JUCOs want to apply for admission at Marquette and pay their own way, great.

Should people start throwing around lawsuits to any and all Division 1 sports programs that do not have JUCOs on their rosters?  These coaches can recruit whoever they want to.  If they choose not to recruit JUCOs for whatever reason, then they don't recruit JUCOs.  File lawsuits for that?  Good luck.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 02:56:00 PM
Only SMU18 and Buzz really know what's going on.

you forgot about SMU17 and SMU20.....not to mention the other SMU #s in between.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 02:56:36 PM
I have a family at home and a business to run at work. And I can't stop reading this thread.

It really is like a car wreck on the side of the road. I can't look away even though I know this is much ado about nothing.

The whole thing with SMU is the classic butterfly that flapped its wings in Indonesia and caused a ripple that led to an epic thread on MUScoop.com.  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
Don't know what this has to do with my post you quoted, but assuming Buzz is not just full of BS (and I don't think he is, but if he's flirting with other jobs over ___ then who knows) they cannot do better than Buzz in this regard.

Quoted the wrong thread.  With things flying so fast and furious I guess I lost my place.  Sorry.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 02:57:39 PM
Huh?  Never said that.  If JUCOs want to come to Marquette that's great.  Marquette won't deny their admission because they went to a JUCO.  That doesn't mean Buzz is forced to recruit JUCOs.  Pillarz and Williams could tell Buzz they only want him recruiting 4 year high school players.  If JUCOs want to apply for admission at Marquette and pay their own way, great.

Should people start throwing around lawsuits to any and all Division 1 sports programs that do not have JUCOs on their rosters?  These coaches can recruit whoever they want to.  If they choose not to recruit JUCOs for whatever reason, then they don't recruit JUCOs.  File lawsuits for that?  Good luck.


Seriously where are you getting this?  No one has told Buzz not to recruit JUCOs.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 27, 2012, 02:58:30 PM
Has this thread passed the baseball pissing match yet?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 03:01:07 PM

Seriously where are you getting this?  No one has told Buzz not to recruit JUCOs.

It was suggested that this might be one of the restrictions being placed on Buzz if he is to continue as coach at MU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 03:01:48 PM
I have a family at home and a business to run at work. And I can't stop reading this thread.

It really is like a car wreck on the side of the road. I can't look away even though I know this is much ado about nothing.

The whole thing with SMU is the classic butterfly that flapped its wings in Indonesia and caused a ripple that led to an epic thread on MUScoop.com.  

I'm right there with you AC.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 03:02:03 PM

Seriously where are you getting this?  No one has told Buzz not to recruit JUCOs.

I'm not saying they did.  Somebody else brought it up 10-15 pages ago and somebody said there would be lawsuits if Buzz was told not to recruit JUCOs.

For the record, I have absolutely no problem with JUCOs and have loved literally every single one Buzz has brought in.  I hope he continues to get the top JUCOs in the country.  They have been invaluable to the program.  But to think that there would be lawsuits filed if Pillarz and Williams told Buzz he can't bring anymore in is flat out wrong.  Buzz can recruit whoever he wants whenever he wants to, and if his bosses tell him to stop recruiting JUCOs or he is gone, he will be done recruiting JUCOs, no lawsuits or anything.  Otherwise, could I file a lawsuit against Pillarz and LW for having no white players on scholarship next year?  I mean, he must have been told not to recruit white players if that's the case, right?  So we are denying admission to somebody based on their race.  Let's file a lawsuit.  (For those who can't pick up on the sarcasm...)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2012, 03:02:06 PM
It was suggested completely made up by posters that this might be one of the restrictions being placed on Buzz if he is to continue as coach at MU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: AZWarrior on March 27, 2012, 03:02:21 PM
It was suggested that this might be one of the restrictions being placed on Buzz if he is to continue as coach at MU.

...wouldn't seem very "Christian".
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 27, 2012, 03:02:51 PM
I would like the BOT / Pilarz and Williams tell Buzz he can not recruit Jucos with Crowder and Butler standing at his side...


It was suggested that this might be one of the restrictions being placed on Buzz if he is to continue as coach at MU.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 03:03:09 PM
Just taking a mid day break and popping in on the board.

Looks like nothing is new.  Correct?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 03:03:58 PM
Just taking a mid day break and popping in on the board.

Looks like nothing is new.  Correct?

Yep.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 03:04:40 PM
It was suggested that this might be one of the restrictions being placed on Buzz if he is to continue as coach at MU.


It's not.  Buzz has moved away from JUCOs because he has said from the beginning it was preferable to fill the roster with four year players, but had to do it to fill holes.  TJ Taylor is literally a JUCO, but he is much more like a transfer since he started at Oklahoma.  

Guys, the major issues are the off-court stuff by both Buzz and the players.  (And I am not talking about the Country Roads dancing.)  There are things that Buzz has done that haven't made people happy.  The current administration is tightening things up in that regard.  Read between the lines what IWB posted on Sunday, about relationships.  It isn't simply that the relationships have changed...relationships change all of the time.  It's about the consequences of those changed relationships. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: AhoyaX on March 27, 2012, 03:05:39 PM
I heard that if we hit 100 pages, everyone gets free tacos.

C'mon Nelligan, make it happen!!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 03:06:07 PM
I'm not saying they did.  Somebody else brought it up 10-15 pages ago and somebody said there would be lawsuits if Buzz was told not to recruit JUCOs.

For the record, I have absolutely no problem with JUCOs and have loved literally every single one Buzz has brought in.  I hope he continues to get the top JUCOs in the country.  They have been invaluable to the program.  But to think that there would be lawsuits filed if Pillarz and Williams told Buzz he can't bring anymore in is flat out wrong.  Buzz can recruit whoever he wants whenever he wants to, and if his bosses tell him to stop recruiting JUCOs or he is gone, he will be done recruiting JUCOs, no lawsuits or anything.  Otherwise, could I file a lawsuit against Pillarz and LW for having no white players on scholarship next year?  I mean, he must have been told not to recruit white players if that's the case, right?  So we are denying admission to somebody based on their race.  Let's file a lawsuit.  (For those who can't pick up on the sarcasm...)


"Little People".  We don't have any of those on the team either!  Albinos!  Aborigines!  Don't we have any ambulance chasers on this thread?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 03:08:43 PM
Based on the posting activity in the past 3 hours, we should hit 100 pages right around 9:00 tonight.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 03:10:28 PM
Howie saying everything we all already know, in a more composed way.

http://www.insidemilwaukee.com/Article/3272012-BuzzMarquetteandtheFuture


As the author puts it, it's all about loyalty and trust for Buzz. He didn't get it at New Orleans and he left, even though some warned him it was professional suicide. He had it at MU. Not so much anymore, and unless Pilarz and L Williams can undo some of that damage he won't worry about taking a step back (SMU) again. It will be hard to leave his players, but if the powers that be force his hand...I worry.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 03:11:31 PM

It's not.  Buzz has moved away from JUCOs because he has said from the beginning it was preferable to fill the roster with four year players, but had to do it to fill holes.  TJ Taylor is literally a JUCO, but he is much more like a transfer since he started at Oklahoma.  
I think I said that in speculation about 15 pages ago, pretty sure I was clear I was speculating what could be going on for the sake of keeping the thread alive.

However, you are very definitive in your answer... care to elaborate what some of the stipulations are?
 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Big Daddy 84 on March 27, 2012, 03:12:02 PM
I am going to write this one email and that is it.

1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong.  Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU....   That makes alot of sense.

My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 03:12:24 PM
TWITTTTA TRACCCCKA!!!

Junior Cadougan ‏ @JRwontLOSE
Just got done wrking out ... Bout to go eat a healthy dinner before study hall #yaga
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Les Nessman on March 27, 2012, 03:14:21 PM
I am going to write this one email and that is it.

1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong.  Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU....   That makes alot of sense.

My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..


Thank you. I trust your posts more than anyone else on this board and it is good to finally hear from you.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: damuts222 on March 27, 2012, 03:14:34 PM
Heard that SMU offered Buzz Williams $3 million/year and a $3 million buyout, but that he is unlikely to accept. Good info. No one reported the buyout info.....
 Per SMU Scout board which you need a subscription to get the rest. Google searched Buzz williams news in the past 24 hours.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 27, 2012, 03:15:06 PM
I am going to write this one email and that is it.

1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong.  Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU....   That makes alot of sense.

My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..


Oh dear God, I hope you are right.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Pakuni on March 27, 2012, 03:15:27 PM
A healthy dinner?
There are no healthy dinners in Milwaukee. Junior's already at SMU!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: brewcity'77 on March 27, 2012, 03:18:42 PM
sorry, just trying to keep up, if sarcasm is TEAL wtf does RED imply?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PickNRoll on March 27, 2012, 03:18:58 PM
Thank you, BigDaddy84.  You haven't lead us astray yet.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 03:19:46 PM
A healthy dinner?
There are no healthy dinners in Milwaukee. Junior's already at SMU!

There's the "Big Daddy" at Subway.  Or is it at Cousins?  The Big Daddy has gotta be healthy with a name like that, right?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 03:19:52 PM
2000! Titan, get me a banner!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dinger on March 27, 2012, 03:20:04 PM
roughly 1000 posts/day...lets keep it going!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 03:21:22 PM
Big Daddy, before you go... How's Davante's knee?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 27, 2012, 03:22:06 PM
I am going to write this one email and that is it.

1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong.  Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU....   That makes alot of sense.

My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..



Hmmmmmmmm.

This post seems to contain entirely too much level-headed rationality in it for this thread.  

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 03:22:10 PM
I am going to write this one email and that is it.

1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong.  Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU....   That makes alot of sense.

My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..


OH

MY

GOD....


This is the single most smartest thing anyone has said in 80 pages.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 03:23:20 PM
OH

MY

GOD....


This is the single most smartest thing anyone has said in 80 pages.

It's also from the dude with great information about DG earlier this year.

I believe in the Daddy.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 03:23:38 PM


Ha! Exactly. One person throws out some baseless idea. Two pages later it becomes "fact." That fact is then dissected over the next few pages.

Until a new baseless idea is proposed and the circle of wasted time and energy continues.

I sincerely hope that when the appeal goes out next year for fundraising for Al's Run that there is a FRACTION of the same time and energy as a response.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUBrooklyn on March 27, 2012, 03:23:53 PM
New the to blog - why is BigDaddy a reliable source? I want to believe every word of that post, just want to know why it should be given credibility. Thanks.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 03:24:38 PM
New the to blog - why is BigDaddy a reliable source? I want to believe every word of that post, just want to know why it should be given credibility. Thanks.

He's been right before.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: forgetful on March 27, 2012, 03:25:11 PM
I had to step away from my computer for a few hours and 15 pages were added.

What did I miss?

Any good Haikus
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on March 27, 2012, 03:25:23 PM
Just taking a mid day break and popping in on the board.

Looks like nothing is new.  Correct?
 

Except that we now know that Skat's name is really Sally.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 03:26:27 PM
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong.  Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU....   That makes alot of sense.

The JUCO bashing makes total sense. What program wants or needs student-athletes like Jimmy Butler or Jae Crowder?  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 03:26:43 PM
 
Except that we now know that Skat's name is really Sally.

PM me for pics of my lady-parts.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 03:27:20 PM
Who wants to play for a school that has a motto to 'Pony up!'  Sounds like what an old man says to a little kid at the circus.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 03:27:24 PM
PM me for pics of my lady-parts.

Just post them you....Sally.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 03:28:18 PM
I think I said that in speculation about 15 pages ago, pretty sure I was clear I was speculating what could be going on for the sake of keeping the thread alive.

However, you are very definitive in your answer... care to elaborate what some of the stipulations are?
 


There aren't any.  Cottingham was more hands off....Williams is more hands on and the leadership likes that.  

The only thing that concerns me about BigDaddy's post is IWB is still saying this afternoon that Buzz hasn't made a final decision.  And I can tell you the players do not know for sure if he is staying for going.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 03:28:52 PM
I am going to write this one email and that is it.

1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong.  Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU....   That makes alot of sense.

My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..

Thank you Big Daddy.  This is the best news and the best post I've read in more than two days.  You were right about DG and I'm going with you being right here too.  Doesn't mean I'll be able to avoid this train wreck of a thread though.....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nyg on March 27, 2012, 03:29:24 PM
Sorry guys, but couldn't log on for awhile.  Noticed like 25 pages since 9:00am and wondered if someone could give a brief, brief summary of what is up since then.  

Only thing I noticed in a blink was like a 6M salary offer and the return of Big Daddy.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 03:29:37 PM
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.

Well, not to burst anyone's bubble, but if Buzz didn't change his standards, does that mean Fr. P, LW, BOT did? Why all the super secret sources saying Buzz had to decide what he was going to do?

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ort5210 on March 27, 2012, 03:29:43 PM
PM me for pics of my lady-parts.

Every time I think "this the last post I read"  this happens and literally LOL and spend another 15 minutes reading useless information!  Keep it up fellas!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 03:29:50 PM
New the to blog - why is BigDaddy a reliable source? I want to believe every word of that post, just want to know why it should be given credibility. Thanks.

He nailed the return timeline for Big Sheesh.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 03:29:58 PM
Who wants to play for a school that has a motto to 'Pony up!'  Sounds like what an old man says to a little kid at the circus.

All of the schools say that to their season ticket holders...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: cheebs09 on March 27, 2012, 03:30:10 PM
You don't question someone who goes by BigDaddy
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr Radical on March 27, 2012, 03:30:57 PM
Guys,

A friend of mine (BIG donor), just spotted  "Trend" Blackledge walking around Grand Ave Mall with a Cowboy hat on.

Reminder, this guy is a BIG donor.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN???
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 03:31:44 PM
Who the hell was bashing JUCOs? What is this 1250 WSSP and Wisky simpletons who can't understand the important role junior college play in athletics?

That honestly pisses me off, my dad went to JUCO on a basketball scholarship. He had work and save up all two years just so he could pay to get to KState and graduate with a 4-year degree. No help from the family, JUCO was what got my father a degree.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 03:32:27 PM
Guys,

A friend of mine (BIG donor), just spotted  "Trend" Blackledge walking around Grand Ave Mall with a Cowboy hat on.

Reminder, this guy is a BIG donor.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN???

Trend is gonna be Benford's assistant down at SMU!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 03:32:58 PM
Who the hell was bashing JUCOs? What is this 1250 WSSP and Wisky simpletons who can't understand the important role junior college play in athletics?

That honestly pisses me off, my dad went to JUCO on a basketball scholarship. He had work and save up all two years just so he could then pay to get KState and graduate with a 4-year degree. No help from the family, JUCO was what got my father a degree.

The problem with JUCOs is that the opponents criticize them because they're closet racists.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 03:33:18 PM
All of the schools say that to their season ticket holders...

Touche.

As for BigDaddy's post, not that I am calling him a liar, but just because it is what we all want to hear does not mean it is necessarily what is happening.  Patience, patience, patience.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 27, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
The problem with JUCOs is that the opponents criticize them because they're closet racists.

Not just opponents.....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 03:34:09 PM
Not just opponents.....

And Chicos.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 27, 2012, 03:34:17 PM
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.

Well, not to burst anyone's bubble, but if Buzz didn't change his standards, does that mean Fr. P, LW, BOT did? Why all the super secret sources saying Buzz had to decide what he was going to do?


I don't think that anyone changed their standards.  I'd have to think they all came to the table and actually talked about what they are.  I don't  think that anyone of them would say they don't want to have student-athletes to perform well in school and on the court.  Like an annual performance review - are you performing up to standards, what can be improved on, stuff like that. 
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 27, 2012, 03:34:36 PM
Based on Bigdaddy's post, I have to say that I hope all of this is about nothing and that all of the freaking out about Buzz talking to SMU was because he was Tony B's reference and they wanted to follow up on him.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 27, 2012, 03:35:44 PM
I am going to write this one email and that is it.

1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong.  Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU....   That makes alot of sense.

My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..


No sarcasm.... I would love for Tony Benford to get that job.  His relationships are long and deep in that area.  He would be a perfect fit for that job n deserves the opportunity.  I think he would instantly elevate that program.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: madtownwarrior on March 27, 2012, 03:36:35 PM
so what is the issue then?

I am going to write this one email and that is it.

1) Buzz is not leaving for SMU or any other school.
2) Buzz wants Tony B to get the job at SMU.
3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.
5) Knock of the JUCO bashing it is sickening...fostering a false negative preception of these players is plain wrong.  Yeah Buzz has been told don't ever recruit another JFB or Jae Crowder..those type of kids don't belong at MU....   That makes alot of sense.

My recommendation..everyone log off for a week..

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 03:36:51 PM
Every time I think "this the last post I read"  this happens and literally LOL and spend another 15 minutes reading useless information!  Keep it up fellas!


Skats got lady parts.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 27, 2012, 03:36:59 PM
Who the hell was bashing JUCOs? What is this 1250 WSSP and Wisky simpletons who can't understand the important role junior college play in athletics?

That honestly pisses me off, my dad went to JUCO on a basketball scholarship. He had work and save up all two years just so he could pay to get to KState and graduate with a 4-year degree. No help from the family, JUCO was what got my father a degree.

Nobody was bashing JUCOs, the theory was brought up in regards to what the evil empire of the BOT, LW, and Father P could possibly be doing to make Buzz leave (not allow Buzz to recruit JUCOs because of stupid media perception). I don't think there are any JUCO haters left around these parts.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 27, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
Bump.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 03:38:57 PM
Based on Bigdaddy's post, I have to say that I hope all of this is about nothing and that all of the freaking out about Buzz talking to SMU was because he was Tony B's reference and they wanted to follow up on him.


Tell me how this corresponds with IWBs tweets?  Everyone knows that IWB is close to Buzz.  IWB is saying that Buzz has decisions to make?  If it isn't about this, what is it about?  Where to go for dinner tonight???
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: muguru on March 27, 2012, 03:39:42 PM
Ok, I'm going to nap for an hour, when I come back, I expect to see conformation that Buzz is staying. I don't think that's a lot to ask given everything else in this thread is it??  :P
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 03:40:18 PM

Tell me how this corresponds with IWBs tweets?  Everyone knows that IWB is close to Buzz.  IWB is saying that Buzz has decisions to make?  If it isn't about this, what is it about?  Where to go for dinner tonight???


Which suit has the least sweat stains so he can wear it to the presser.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: NCAARules on March 27, 2012, 03:43:17 PM
So, if we are to believe that SMU is interested in both Benford and Buzz, I wonder how rare that is. I cannot, for one, remember a single time where both a head coach and an assistant were tabbed as targets for the same job.

Anybody recall another instance?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 27, 2012, 03:43:42 PM
Touche.

As for BigDaddy's post, not that I am calling him a liar, but just because it is what we all want to hear does not mean it is necessarily what is happening.  Patience, patience, patience.

Actually BigDaddy has the most credibility on this entire board in my book.  Every other post he has made has been dead on 100% accurate and has acknowledged werking for the program.  Myself and other had suggested to him that it is good for no one especially himself if he wants to continue in the business to post on here.  He will get found out and fired.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 03:47:03 PM
Actually BigDaddy has the most credibility on this entire board in my book.  Every other post he has made has been dead on 100% accurate and has acknowledged werking for the program.  Myself and other had suggested to him that it is good for no one especially himself if he wants to continue in the business to post on here.  He will get found out and fired.


What if he posts as SMU21?  He can pretend to be a troll, but we'll know *wink*wink*
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUBrooklyn on March 27, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
Based on Bigdaddy's post, I have to say that I hope all of this is about nothing and that all of the freaking out about Buzz talking to SMU was because he was Tony B's reference and they wanted to follow up on him.

SMU did not ask MU for permission to talk to Buzz as a reference for Tony B. That's not logical.

What's IWB's twitter name?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 27, 2012, 03:49:06 PM

Tell me how this corresponds with IWBs tweets?  Everyone knows that IWB is close to Buzz.  IWB is saying that Buzz has decisions to make?  If it isn't about this, what is it about?  Where to go for dinner tonight???


Iwb was one of Creans bitches... Close to Buzz ?  I havent seen it IWB is self serving and a non MU grad.   No trust there for me .... His tweet only further convinced me of that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: swoopem on March 27, 2012, 03:49:52 PM
Notice how once BigDaddy posted we haven't heard from the trolls, thanks BigDaddy they needed to leave
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lurch91 on March 27, 2012, 03:51:20 PM
Notice how once BigDaddy posted we haven't heard from the trolls, thanks BigDaddy they needed to leave

Just wait, SMU28 is logging on to kick your ass for saying that!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 03:53:42 PM
Just wait, SMU28 is logging on to kick your ass for saying that!

He's going to kick your ass by dropping a large sum of money on you, but will not be able to state how much money.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 27, 2012, 03:53:54 PM
I wonder what youngphilly thinks about all this?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 03:54:19 PM
Based on the posting activity in the past 3 hours, we should hit 100 pages right around 9:00 tonight.

Nah...once everyone goes home from work, posting will slow considerably.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Jam Chowder on March 27, 2012, 03:55:14 PM
Listen. IWB is stirring the pot. That's all. Shrug it off.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 03:55:32 PM
OK. MU sucks, but Buzz Williams should kiss the feet of the MU administrators for hiring him. The AD, President and BOT are wonderful and any disagreements are all Buzz's fault. And Buzz is a quitter. But you're a big fan of his. Right.

MU sucks?  No.

Buzz should kiss the feet of MU administration for hiring him?  No.

The AD, President and BOT have a university to run that includes athletics.  If they feel the Dean of Arts and Sciences is not the same page, they get the Dean on the same page.  If the Men’s basketball coach isn’t on the same page, they get the men’s basketball coach on the same page.  

Buzz is a quitter?  No.  However, if he were to quit this job that would certainly send a clear message to any other schools out there that it’s his way or he leaves.  That will limit his employment options.  Not a smart move in my opinion.  Maybe he doesn't care.

Yes, I am a huge fan of his.   I’m a huge Al McGuire fan, he tried to leave Marquette to coach the Milwaukee Bucks.  I disagreed with him.  That must mean I’m not a fan of Al McGuire for not seeing it Al’s way and siding with the university.  For you it seems all or nothing support.  Some of us have the capacity to work outside of such strict black and white views of the world.

Try again
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 03:56:08 PM
I agree completely with big daddy that Buzz is not leaving. Think he is not correct on entire post, but agree completely that Buzz is staying.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Golden Avalanche on March 27, 2012, 03:56:52 PM

Iwb was one of Creans bitches... Close to Buzz ?  I havent seen it IWB is self serving and a non MU grad.   No trust there for me .... His tweet only further convinced me of that.

When I listen to the press conferences, Buzz and Ganzer seem to have a rapport.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 03:57:07 PM
Notice how once BigDaddy posted we haven't heard from the trolls, thanks BigDaddy they needed to leave


It's his nap time.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Jam Chowder on March 27, 2012, 03:57:24 PM
I wonder what youngphilly thinks about all this?

Yes.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TheButlerDidIt on March 27, 2012, 03:57:45 PM
long and deep in that area.


After reading nearly every post of this 82-paged thread, and experiencing every emotion a human is capable of emoting, this is all I remember. Thank you, Canadian Dimes.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 03:58:31 PM
I agree completely with big daddy that Buzz is not leaving. Think he is not correct on entire post, but agree completely that Buzz is staying.

Well, instead of giving out his info as innuendo he actually states it as it is.  I'm gonna trust BigDaddy on this one.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 03:59:22 PM
News people outside the Al.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 04:01:30 PM
As the author puts it, it's all about loyalty and trust for Buzz. He didn't get it at New Orleans and he left, even though some warned him it was professional suicide. He had it at MU. Not so much anymore, and unless Pilarz and L Williams can undo some of that damage he won't worry about taking a step back (SMU) again. It will be hard to leave his players, but if the powers that be force his hand...I worry.

And the author or you or anyone else here knows what Pilarz and Williams are doing?  This massive injustice and limitations they are putting on Buzz to be able to keep his program going is what exactly?  They are paying him $2.6 million, has the second largest recruiting budget in the conference, the second largest basketball budget in the United States of America.  Exactly what are these two Marquette Basketball Haters doing to prevent Buzz from being successful?

Can we have some tangible answers and not a bunch of innuendo?  They are squeezing his balls?  How?  By saying you better be a bit more careful in the type of kids you recruit?  Is this a bad thing?  Buzz is the head of the basketball program which is PART OF MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY.  The basketball program is not a stand alone unit with no one to answer to. They are not the Milwaukee Mustangs or the Milwaukee Wave.  They are part of Marquette University.  Buzz is an outstanding coach and Marquette basketball is an outstanding program that has been outstanding for many decades.  I doubt very seriously anything that Williams or Pilarz are asking for is going to tank the program or even send it backward.  A good coach will recruit good players and produce good results.  Some of you here make it sound like MU can only win with certain kinds of players that Buzz is supposedly now being denied access to (all of this pure speculation with no real attribution).  Why?  MU has won with misfits, with kids from the burbs, kids from the mean streets, and everything in between.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 04:02:19 PM
I think I am suffering from misinformation-overload.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Oldgym on March 27, 2012, 04:02:40 PM
We're gonna have quite the laugh or cry when this thread turns up in somebody's psych dissertation.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Les Nessman on March 27, 2012, 04:02:51 PM
I need another Depends. I just crapped myself.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 04:03:48 PM
News people outside the MUScoop Global HQ

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 04:04:12 PM
Who the hell was bashing JUCOs? What is this 1250 WSSP and Wisky simpletons who can't understand the important role junior college play in athletics?

That honestly pisses me off, my dad went to JUCO on a basketball scholarship. He had work and save up all two years just so he could pay to get to KState and graduate with a 4-year degree. No help from the family, JUCO was what got my father a degree.

I brought up JUCOs, and I wasn't bashing them.  I simply wondered if the Administration was making an issue about it since there was rumored to be issues between Buzz and the Administration.  I was speculating/guessing/making crap up what they could be disagreeing about and that came to mind as something because I think Buzz would be very loyal to his JUCOs.

As the person who brought it up (and actually expected it to piss some people off that I even mentioned it) I don't think the JUCOs have been a problem.  I said many pages ago that I think Jimmy is one of the greatest kids to ever wear the Marquette uniform.  And Jae is one of my all-time favorite Warriors.

Wondering out loud whether the issue between Buzz and the Administration might be related to recruiting JUCOs is not the same as bashing JUCOs.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Marquette_g on March 27, 2012, 04:04:23 PM
Is Tom Enlund even remotely aware that SMU rumors exist?  With most of them being transmitted via the Internet and social media he is still waiting for some flunky to drop a news bulletin on his desk or for something to hit the wires.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 04:04:40 PM
News people outside the MUScoop Global HQ

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!


Means we will be featured on CBS News at Ten again.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Les Nessman on March 27, 2012, 04:04:57 PM
I need another Depends. I just crapped myself.

No, I'm not joking. I really did. Someone get me another man-diaper.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ort5210 on March 27, 2012, 04:06:31 PM
We're gonna have quite the laugh or cry when this thread turns up in somebody's psych dissertation.

HAHA i was thinking about sending the link of this forum to a friend thats in grad school to get his thoughts!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 04:07:03 PM
I am going to write this one email and that is it.


3) Fr. P and Larry Williams know what Buzz means to MU and support him.
4) Fr. P, LW, BOT and Buzz all agree on the standards that are expected from all MU athletes. Buzz's standards are not any different than they have been.


Wait, you mean all the ball squeezing innuendo, all the injustices that L. Williams and Pilarz were forcing on Buzz was inaccurate?  YOU DON'T SAY   ::)

Some of the stupidest comments I have ever read here were things like the AD and President are trying to deemphasize athletics, gut them, push Buzz out, etc, etc.  Ridiculous then and continue to be ridiculous now.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 04:07:13 PM
Means we will be featured on CBS News at Ten again.


One of the players was caught at Bed Bath & Beyond and the press doesn't think that's a manly enough place for him.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 04:08:55 PM
Several of the under-21 players were seen shopping at Victoria's Secret at the mall...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: IAmMarquette on March 27, 2012, 04:09:56 PM
Bump.

Post of the year.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 04:11:21 PM
Post of the year.
I'm just wondering why it took him 2 minutes to bump the thread
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 04:11:29 PM
I brought up JUCOs, and I wasn't bashing them.  I simply wondered if the Administration was making an issue about it since there was rumored to be issues between Buzz and the Administration.  I was speculating/guessing/making crap up what they could be disagreeing about and that came to mind as something because I think Buzz would be very loyal to his JUCOs.

As the person who brought it up (and actually expected it to piss some people off that I even mentioned it) I don't think the JUCOs have been a problem.  I said many pages ago that I think Jimmy is one of the greatest kids to ever wear the Marquette uniform.  And Jae is one of my all-time favorite Warriors.

Wondering out loud whether the issue between Buzz and the Administration might be related to recruiting JUCOs is not the same as bashing JUCOs.

Ok, gotcha. I was responding to BigDaddy's response that some on here were bashing JUCOs suddenly (like we haven't had enough reasons the past 3 years to value JUCOs).
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 04:12:16 PM
I love how this thread has gotten at least 3 or 4 "bumps"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 04:12:19 PM
I brought up JUCOs, and I wasn't bashing them.  I simply wondered if the Administration was making an issue about it since there was rumored to be issues between Buzz and the Administration.  I was speculating/guessing/making crap up what they could be disagreeing about and that came to mind as something because I think Buzz would be very loyal to his JUCOs.

As the person who brought it up (and actually expected it to piss some people off that I even mentioned it) I don't think the JUCOs have been a problem.  I said many pages ago that I think Jimmy is one of the greatest kids to ever wear the Marquette uniform.  And Jae is one of my all-time favorite Warriors.

Wondering out loud whether the issue between Buzz and the Administration might be related to recruiting JUCOs is not the same as bashing JUCOs.

I don't think JUCOs is an issue at all.  In fact, the one name that has continually come up in some of these off the court incidents is not a JUCO.  To easy to say JUCOs.  More than likely they are concerned about having the university's good name drug through the mud, whether it is minor in nature or not, some will view it as unnecessary.  I'm sure they have communicated several times to Buzz that they would like him to convey that message clearly to his squad.

I feel badly for Buzz because its his players that are putting Buzz in an awful spot sometimes.  Boys being boys or not, they have to understand that if they love him and respect him as much as they seem to, their actions will reflect upon him in today's 24/7 news cycle world.  They have to get that understanding.  They only hurt Buzz and the university if they don't.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 04:15:44 PM
Is Tom Enlund even remotely aware that SMU rumors exist?  With most of them being transmitted via the Internet and social media he is still waiting for some flunky to drop a news bulletin on his desk or for something to hit the wires.

Give the guy a break.  His wagon just got in from Phoenix and he's watering the horses.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JD on March 27, 2012, 04:16:47 PM
I hope BD isn't right.

Track record speaks for itself.  What is the percentage of all of those bullet points?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2012, 04:22:25 PM
Where the hell is everyone?  It's like a ghost town in here...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Canadian Dimes on March 27, 2012, 04:22:32 PM

After reading nearly every post of this 82-paged thread, and experiencing every emotion a human is capable of emoting, this is all I remember. Thank you, Canadian Dimes.

Yes i felt a little qweezy after typing it but whatever werks for him
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior1 on March 27, 2012, 04:23:55 PM
We're gonna have quite the laugh or cry when this thread turns up in somebody's psych dissertation.

I knew someone once that used message board responses and emotions to write an essay. I can't remember if it was their masters dissertation or not.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 04:24:55 PM
I hope BD isn't right.

Track record speaks for itself.  What is the percentage of all of those bullet points?

W the unnatural carnal knowledge? You want Buzz to leave?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 27, 2012, 04:28:01 PM
W the frack? You want Buzz to leave?
He's an idiot.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 27, 2012, 04:28:41 PM
Is Tom Enlund even remotely aware that SMU rumors exist?  With most of them being transmitted via the Internet and social media he is still waiting for some flunky to drop a news bulletin on his desk or for something to hit the wires.

+1

Is the guy a human Google search in this instance?  Call up the powers that be and ask the questions!

Rosiak did that repeatedly last year during the Oklahoma stories.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 27, 2012, 04:29:22 PM
Better keep bumping this thread, the "DePaul Purchases Riverfront Property" thread is going to catch up soon. It's only 78 pages behind, it could go on a run here and catch up.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: CtownWarrior on March 27, 2012, 04:30:42 PM
Better keep bumping this thread, the "DePaul Purchases Riverfront Property" thread is going to catch up soon. It's only 78 pages behind, it could go on a run here and catch up.


Buzz to depaul?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 04:31:41 PM
If you click on his profile you can see his last posts.  His last 150 posts he used one of those happy faces things 5 times in 150 posts.  Feel free to go beyond 150 if you desire.  I think you can display 25 per page so it is very easy to see.  That sure defines all the time.  3.33% of the time.   Makes you wonder how many other sensational stories are out there.   :o  (I put that one in there for good humor, so as not to ruin your fun)



Sorry, didn't see this.  I skipped over about 40 pages of this thread.  Thanks for pointing it out to me.  You honestly went back and calculated the percentage of posts in which he used  ::)?  ::)  I really, really hope you are chicos, or your obsession with him is incredibly weird.  I don't feel like wasting anymore of my time than I have just by being a part of this thread, could you please calculate the number of times you have  ::) in your last 150 posts?  Just for comparison's sake, of course.

The point is, you use  ::) in the exact same ways as Chicos.  Not many people post in a way that  ::) is necessary.  You/Chicos post in the exact same way as one another, which is a very unique way.  It is no coincidence.  Honestly, if I gave enough of a crap to actually go back and calculate the percentage of posts that Chicos used  ::) overall compared to the percentage of posts that hoopaloop uses  ::) overall, and also analyzed in what sense you use  ::) I guarantee I would find that the numbers and situations that the  ::) is used are incredibly similar.  I would also have to have a really, really weird obsession with other dudes, too.  Unfortunately for you, I do not.  Either that or I would have to have any doubt whatsoever that you are chicos.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 04:32:24 PM

Buzz to depaul?

Not only will DePaul py him $6million, they'll name the new arena after him.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: lab_warrior on March 27, 2012, 04:33:11 PM
And the author or you or anyone else here knows what Pilarz and Williams are doing?  This massive injustice and limitations they are putting on Buzz to be able to keep his program going is what exactly?  They are paying him $2.6 million, has the second largest recruiting budget in the conference, the second largest basketball budget in the United States of America.  Exactly what are these two Marquette Basketball Haters doing to prevent Buzz from being successful?

Can we have some tangible answers and not a bunch of innuendo?  They are squeezing his balls?  How?  By saying you better be a bit more careful in the type of kids you recruit?  Is this a bad thing?  Buzz is the head of the basketball program which is PART OF MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY.  The basketball program is not a stand alone unit with no one to answer to. They are not the Milwaukee Mustangs or the Milwaukee Wave.  They are part of Marquette University.  Buzz is an outstanding coach and Marquette basketball is an outstanding program that has been outstanding for many decades.  I doubt very seriously anything that Williams or Pilarz are asking for is going to tank the program or even send it backward.  A good coach will recruit good players and produce good results.  Some of you here make it sound like MU can only win with certain kinds of players that Buzz is supposedly now being denied access to (all of this pure speculation with no real attribution).  Why?  MU has won with misfits, with kids from the burbs, kids from the mean streets, and everything in between.

C'mon now Hoop...try not to ruin this carefully constructed, glue-huffing, foil-hat wearing mythology that has been thread-fluffed for...let's check...84+ pages.  Buzz is unhappy, Pilarz and Williams are secret agents that hate Buzz and MU, and are actively trying to ruin the basketball program, and we're doomed to be SLU for the next 100 years.  NO ONE DENIES THIS!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: cheebs09 on March 27, 2012, 04:33:36 PM
Well that solves it. Hoopaloop is the "independent" auditor that Chicos found to analyze his posts. It brings everything full circle. I'm sure he just referenced data from that past audit, or it is that time of year again.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: CtownWarrior on March 27, 2012, 04:34:43 PM
Not only will DePaul py him $6million, they'll name the new arena after him.

I heard they're changing the the university's name to Buzz U.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 04:35:51 PM
Reporters still out there?  Maybe they want to know what Buzz thinks about DePaul's new stadium.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 04:37:39 PM
Better keep bumping this thread, the "DePaul Purchases Riverfront Property" thread is going to catch up soon. It's only 78 pages behind, it could go on a run here and catch up.

And when it does catch up it better be FULL OF APOLOGIES to Avenue Commons!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 04:40:04 PM
Well that solves it. Hoopaloop is the "independent" auditor that Chicos found to analyze his posts. It brings everything full circle. I'm sure he just referenced data from that past audit, or it is that time of year again.

I've been active (I hate to admit it) on the Marquette message boards since there was just the one board. This is going back to 2002 so that's 10 years (pains me to say it).

There is zero doubt in my mind Hoopaloop is Chicos Bail Bonds. Same writing style. Same hyping of Indiana, where if he didn't go to school there, he worked there before he became a satellite-dish selling titan in California.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 27, 2012, 04:47:03 PM
As of this writing this thread as 2094 replies.

It is second place all-time.  The baseball pissing match is first with 2402 replies.

Can we exceed that before dawn?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 04:49:04 PM
Avenue.....completely agree on Chico's.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: CtownWarrior on March 27, 2012, 04:50:17 PM
As of this writing this thread as 2094 replies.

It is second place all-time.  The baseball pissing match is first with 2402 replies.

Can we exceed that before dawn?

with the amount of nonsense in this thread i dont see why not
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 04:51:43 PM
Lets unban Chicos and compare Hoops' activity.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 04:52:06 PM
Avenue.....completely agree on Chico's.


+1
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: cheebs09 on March 27, 2012, 04:52:55 PM
The worst thing for this thread would be actual news.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 27, 2012, 04:53:40 PM
PM me for pics of my lady-parts.

I still can't believe you're a broad.

Must be a "chicks with dicks" model.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 04:53:58 PM
There is a far better chance hoop is Chico's than Buzz going to a jerk off school.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bocephys on March 27, 2012, 04:54:34 PM
The worst thing for this thread would be actual news.

I think half of the registered users would just wander around aimlessly; unsure of what to do or where to go without this thread to keep them sane.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Aughnanure on March 27, 2012, 04:55:08 PM
#OccupyChicos
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Bocephys on March 27, 2012, 04:55:33 PM
I still can't believe you're a broad.

Must be a "chicks with dicks" model.

Skat's Canadian??

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/transgender-model-disqualified-universe-canada-pageant-article-1.1051005
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 27, 2012, 04:56:53 PM
I heard they're changing the the university's name to Buzz U.

Heard he is holding out for renaming of the Chicago River to the Buzz Williams Flowage.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ZiggysChestHair on March 27, 2012, 04:57:54 PM
with the amount of nonsense in this thread i dont see why not

If Lawrence Williams can't keep our winning basketball coach happy and on board, what chance do we have at starting up a football team?

There, that should be worth about 5 additional pages...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 27, 2012, 04:59:40 PM
I think half of the registered users would just wander around aimlessly; unsure of what to do or where to go without this thread to keep them sane.

This thread is keeping people sane?
Skat, I'm hoping I'm not the only non-male on here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 27, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
If Lawrence Williams can't keep our winning basketball coach happy and on board, what chance do we have at starting up a football team?

There, that should be worth about 5 additional pages...

I heard that Buzz wants to change the nickname back to WARRIORS and that the administration refuses to budge! They claim everyone wants to be the GOLDEN EAGLES!

That should be enough to get this past the baseball thread. Might be enough to get the Internet the explode.
Title: Give 'em Hell Buzz
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 05:04:42 PM
Buzz has the power it this mess and time to flex muscles. The "man" is on his heels and cannot afford the PR mess. it is time for the troops to start crying in their beers and say "Give 'em hell Buzz"
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 05:06:11 PM
I think half of the registered users would just wander around aimlessly; unsure of what to do or where to go without this thread to keep them sane.
This thread has probably made more posters insane than it has kept sane.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: dinger on March 27, 2012, 05:06:17 PM
I heard that Buzz wants to change the nickname back to WARRIORS and that the administration refuses to budge! They claim everyone wants to be the GOLDEN EAGLES!

That should be enough to get this past the baseball thread. Might be enough to get the Internet the explode.

What we really need are some of Marquette's famous alums to chip in to keep Buzz around.  Who would you say would be the most famous one to do that?
Title: Re: Give 'em Hell Buzz
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 05:06:44 PM
Down with "the man"!

Mods, please merge this with the other 85 pages of madness...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 05:09:19 PM
Confirmed that Buzz is staying.

Phew!
Title: Re: Give 'em Hell Buzz
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 05:09:23 PM
Buzz has the power it this mess and time to flex muscles. The "man" is on his heels and cannot afford the PR mess. it is time for the troops to start crying in their beers and say "Give 'em hell Buzz"
The "man" is Marquette University, which I am fonder of than I am of Buzz.  I would think most here are the same way.  This is a weird post.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 05:09:56 PM
Confirmed that Buzz is staying.

Phew!

Quit playing with my heart.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LovinCrowder on March 27, 2012, 05:11:09 PM
I think half of the registered users would just wander around aimlessly; unsure of what to do or where to go without this thread to keep them sane.

This thread is keeping people sane?
Skat, I'm hoping I'm not the only non-male on here.



you aren't....... ;D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PickNRoll on March 27, 2012, 05:11:34 PM
Students lobbying for Buzz on IWB's website:

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?291-An-open-letter-from-Marquette-students-to-Marquette-students
Title: Re: Give 'em Hell Buzz
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 05:12:06 PM
Buzz has the power it this mess and time to flex muscles. The "man" is on his heels and cannot afford the PR mess. it is time for the troops to start crying in their beers and say "Give 'em hell Buzz"
Seriously, if Buzz leaves are you going with him to start rooting for School X?  Why would we want anyone giving anyone hell at this point?

The troops should really start saying "Let calmer heads prevail Buzz."
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: foreverwarriors on March 27, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
Students lobbying for Buzz on IWB's website:

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?291-An-open-letter-from-Marquette-students-to-Marquette-students


Student....not students.

Singular.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 05:14:51 PM


you aren't....... ;D


WTF! Did I wander into a verbal chick flick?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: cheebs09 on March 27, 2012, 05:16:36 PM
WTF!!! Buzz might leave???? Thanks goodness that student broke the news when no one else would
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PonyFanz on March 27, 2012, 05:18:12 PM
What we really need are some of Marquette's famous alums to chip in to keep Buzz around.  Who would you say would be the most famous one to do that?

A barista at Starbucks???  :D

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.  MU is a great school.  It will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 27, 2012, 05:19:11 PM
What's interesting is that IWB chose to "publish" that letter.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 05:20:23 PM
Confirmed that Buzz is staying.

Phew!

Women's intuition?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 05:25:12 PM
Women's intuition?

1.  I wasn't joking. 
2.  I still haven't received any requests for pics of my naughty bits.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 05:26:23 PM
1.  I wasn't joking. 
2.  I still haven't received any requests for pics of my naughty bits.


about Buzz staying or having lady bits?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 6Under20 on March 27, 2012, 05:26:55 PM
On vacation since the game.......was there ever a point to this thread that I should go back and read (started reading on page 84)?



Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: CtownWarrior on March 27, 2012, 05:28:04 PM
Confirmed that Buzz is staying.

Phew!

but if he stays we cant keep this thread going
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 05:28:39 PM
The one thing that this whole incident has reaffirmed for me?

Marquette can be an odd place where strange decisions are made.  Sometimes I think this is what you get when you put celibate men in charge of something, but even that doesn't hold water.  I mean, would Georgetown ever do this sort of thing?  

This entire thing should have been handled much better.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 05:30:00 PM
If we can't handle a situation with one of the nation's top young coaches, we are going to have a lot of trouble when the Big East actually starts crumbling hard.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 05:31:13 PM
If we can't handle a situation with one of the nation's top young coaches, we are going to have a lot of trouble when the Big East actually starts crumbling hard.

Don't worry, Larry will handle that.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 27, 2012, 05:32:52 PM
Ah, so there's at least three of us.
Women taking over MUScoop, bwah-hah-hah....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: seinfeld on March 27, 2012, 05:32:58 PM
hooray for tourney wins, bar fights, assaults and the annual diva coaching tantrum. good triumphs again!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 05:34:28 PM
hooray for tourney wins, bar fights, assaults and the annual diva coaching tantrum. good triumphs again!


I think I need a cigarette.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 05:34:54 PM
So has anyone confirmed Skat's report, or was that just her hormones talking?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Real Chilly Podcast on March 27, 2012, 05:35:03 PM
Ah, so there's at least three of us.
Women taking over MUScoop, bwah-hah-hah....

just three? aren't there some badgers fans that are registered here?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 05:39:03 PM
On vacation since the game.......was there ever a point to this thread that I should go back and read (started reading on page 84)?
Pages 70-74 were my favorite so far, but you definitely won't get any more information about the coaching situation if that's what you're looking for.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 05:42:23 PM

2.  I still haven't received any requests for pics of my naughty bits.

Jay Bee has been alerted to this...   yet.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 05:43:46 PM
Time to drive home from work.  I look forward to 4 pages of nonsense to read when I get home.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 05:47:19 PM
Time to drive home from work.  I look forward to 4 pages of nonsense to read when I get home.

You won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: DCWarriors04 on March 27, 2012, 05:51:31 PM
Confirmed that Buzz is staying.

Phew!
Source?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: T-Bone on March 27, 2012, 05:53:11 PM

I think I need a cigarette.
Reminds me of:
(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/4/16/129159146086577935.jpg)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 05:55:23 PM

I think I need a cigarette.

Just had one and it didn't help.  I'm gonna try a glass of Pappy Van Winkle 20yr in a sec to see if that helps.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Real Chilly Podcast on March 27, 2012, 05:58:02 PM
Just had one and it didn't help.  I'm gonna try a glass of Pappy Van Winkle 20yr in a sec to see if that helps.


**humble brag**
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 05:58:50 PM
Hope nobody gave up Scoop for Lent. They'd be the real loser in this situation.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 🏀 on March 27, 2012, 05:59:07 PM
Just had one and it didn't help.  I'm gonna try a glass of Pappy Van Winkle 20yr in a sec to see if that helps.


WE'RE HAPPY FOR YOU
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JD on March 27, 2012, 06:02:36 PM
I'm thinking sinking my teeth into a big piece of meat might help!

5 Guys Burgers anyone?  8-)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: forgetful on March 27, 2012, 06:02:50 PM
Pages 70-74 were my favorite so far, but you definitely won't get any more information about the coaching situation if that's what you're looking for.

70-74 were quite entertaining.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warrior97 on March 27, 2012, 06:05:53 PM
Hope nobody gave up Scoop for Lent. They'd be the real loser in this situation.

Actually I think they would be the biggest winner.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 06:08:01 PM
Well that solves it. Hoopaloop is the "independent" auditor that Chicos found to analyze his posts. It brings everything full circle. I'm sure he just referenced data from that past audit, or it is that time of year again.

Actually, that was SJS/Marquette84/The Equalizer. Hoopaloop is another disciple. Chicos is no Jim Jones or David Karesh but he has at least a couple of syncophants always willing to do his bidding.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Real Chilly Podcast on March 27, 2012, 06:08:37 PM
I'm thinking sinking my teeth into a big piece of meat might help!

5 Guys Burgers anyone?  8-)


first MU hires Larry Williams, then you admit to being a Golden Domer as well??


p.s. - Five Guys fries are the worst... why would I get a burger from a place with crapty fries
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 27, 2012, 06:09:06 PM
Can you imagine giving up Scoop for Lent and then coming back on here afterwards to find this thread?  
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 27, 2012, 06:10:10 PM
Source?

I'm not going to burn a source for you basketball dorks.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 06:10:47 PM
Can you imagine giving up Scoop for Lent and then coming back on here afterwards to find this thread?  

Can you image going back a page and read this exact same sentence?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mosarsour on March 27, 2012, 06:12:26 PM
I'm not going to burn a source for you basketball dorks.

This may be my favorite post in this ridiculous thread.  ;D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Real Chilly Podcast on March 27, 2012, 06:14:04 PM
I'm not going to burn a source for you basketball dorks.

it's Lance Allan isn't it
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: CtownWarrior on March 27, 2012, 06:14:36 PM
I'm not going to burn a source for you basketball dorks.

We prefer Basketball Nerds
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 27, 2012, 06:17:34 PM
Was commenting on the prior post re: giving up Scoop for Lent.
Maybe we'll make 100 before I get back tonight...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 06:25:45 PM
Went with the crew to 5 Guys for lunch. Gotta admit the double and fries is extremely good with a high gut fill factor. But with a drink it's more than $13. We could have had 2 doubles, fries and a drink for half that at Dick's which, everyone agreed, is more food and a better burger.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JD on March 27, 2012, 06:26:40 PM

first MU hires Larry Williams, then you admit to being a Golden Domer as well??


p.s. - Five Guys fries are the worst... why would I get a burger from a place with crapty fries

Da F*ck you talking about?  Being a Golden Domer

Wanna fight?!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Special Brew on March 27, 2012, 06:26:59 PM
The one thing that this whole incident has reaffirmed for me?

Marquette can be an odd place where strange decisions are made.  Sometimes I think this is what you get when you put celibate men in charge of something, but even that doesn't hold water.  I mean, would Georgetown ever do this sort of thing?  

This entire thing should have been handled much better.

Completely agreed, but I'm not sure this is limited to Marquette. I think it is a general college athletics thing. See Michigan's last two searches for FB coaches. See current Illinois BB cluster. See Pac-10 and SEC expansion and concurrent Big 12 disintegration. There's more of course.

I could easily argue all of these situations should have been handled better. While none of these examples are analogous to what's going at Marquette now, college athletics is full of seemingly intelligent people who make decisions that don't make sense. So there ya go.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 06:28:37 PM
Completely agreed, but I'm not sure this is limited to Marquette. I think it is a general college athletics thing. See Michigan's last two searches for FB coaches. See current Illinois BB cluster. See Pac-10 and SEC expansion and concurrent Big 12 disintegration. There's more of course.

I could easily argue all of these situations should have been handled better. While none of these examples are analogous to what's going at Marquette now, college athletics is full of seemingly intelligent people who make decisions that don't make sense. So there ya go.

Michigan wanted Brady Hoke from the beginning...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Special Brew on March 27, 2012, 06:35:33 PM
Disagree, but my argument is about the process. Why make the advances on Harbaugh if that's not who Brandon wanted? Why lick Miles' ear if Hoke was the man?  Just to stroke some alum/booster? He needed to be turned down by two people before Brandon could hire who he wanted?



Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2012, 06:44:09 PM

That is exactly what is going on.  If Buzz wants to jump to SMU, they are essentially telling him to feel free, but if you stay, here is what you need to do.  I think Buzz's leverage may not have worked out as he would have liked.

Not necessarily so. Buzz is on the clock. Wait for the dominoes to fall. While he obviously doesn't want SMU, the next destination job that opens up, is his. And, that university will essentially turn their program around overnight.
The Harvard of the Midwest will be searchin' for someone who will be happy just gettin' to the Dance and vice versa.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2012, 06:45:36 PM
Andy Katz ‏ @ESPNAndyKatz


Marquette announces that Buzz Williams is staying put, ending the odd SMU speculation (wishful thinking by the Mustangs).
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 06:45:49 PM

first MU hires Larry Williams, then you admit to being a Golden Domer as well??


p.s. - Five Guys fries are the worst... why would I get a burger from a place with crapty fries

They aren't amazing, but the Cajun fries make them a lot better.  Not to mention, that's why you save the money you would spend on fries and just eat the complimentary peanuts.  Five guys along with extra peanuts in my mouth...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2012, 06:47:34 PM
The terms are probably real simple....recruit ND or Northwestern type kids. If I were Buzz I could call their bluff big time....don't want me, can me!!! If they can him it would expose whatever they are pissed off about. My guess they are pissed off about the assault incident.

My biggest problem on the whole mess is that damage has been done. Another example of bumbling around and poor PR by school. LW should be making some sort of statement, either pro Buzz or throw his ass out of town.


This is the mother of all pissin' down one's leg.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 27, 2012, 06:50:05 PM
Well, like I have said many times, Buzz ain't goin' anywhere.

Bet some people on here feel real stupid right about now for talking out of their ass*s for several days straight.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 06:50:48 PM
They aren't amazing, but the Cajun fries make them a lot better.  Not to mention, that's why you save the money you would spend on fries and just eat the complimentary peanuts.  Five guys along with extra peanuts in my mouth...

Wasn't aware 5 Guys has Cajun fries. I think their small fries run about $4 and can feed the russian army. Don't think I could swap out fries for peanuts when I am having a greasy burger. That's why we fought the Cold War, isn't it?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2012, 06:51:55 PM
SMU## where did you and your deep pockets go?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 06:55:37 PM
Well, like I have said many times, Buzz ain't goin' anywhere.

Bet some people on here feel real stupid right about now for talking out of their ass*s for several days straight.


Just reporting what we heard.  He did look at the job.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 27, 2012, 06:55:54 PM
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=8854812

I am not so sure he even looked at the job
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 06:56:21 PM
We came so close to the record; why give up?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 06:58:54 PM
Completely agreed, but I'm not sure this is limited to Marquette. I think it is a general college athletics thing. See Michigan's last two searches for FB coaches. See current Illinois BB cluster. See Pac-10 and SEC expansion and concurrent Big 12 disintegration. There's more of course.

I could easily argue all of these situations should have been handled better. While none of these examples are analogous to what's going at Marquette now, college athletics is full of seemingly intelligent people who make decisions that don't make sense. So there ya go.


They are currently at 1,075,155 views, 12,766 replies and 511 pages.  They are more unnatural carnal knowledgeed up than we are.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2012, 07:00:10 PM
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...

C'mon man, the suspense is killin' us. Lay down the sheckles.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 07:07:37 PM
Pay the man his money.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2012, 07:08:57 PM
This crap all gives me gas.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 27, 2012, 07:12:05 PM
The money is stagering...you can't match, not even close...

And yet...

(http://talentedapps.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/xyz123abc.jpg?w=300&h=225)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 07:13:24 PM
My sources just told me that Texas just fired their coach.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 07:14:54 PM
4th Base of cheeseburgers.  Anyone been there lately?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2012, 07:15:08 PM
you can get the best nachos in the city on like 19th and Center, or somewhere around there.  All the fixings, dumped on a bag of nacho doritos in a Styrofoam container. 


That spot on your route?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2012, 07:15:53 PM
Skatastrophy is a chick?


Nah, just a wet, hairy, cat.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 07:15:59 PM
This crap all gives me gas.

Back in the early days when all there was was the old Geocities Board there was a thread on recruiting missteps. There was a story about Demon Farmer's recruitment. Farmer was highly sought after and, because he was from Flint, many thought Crean had the inside track as he had been working Farmer while still at MSU. This was seen as a signature signing for the newly awakening MU program under Tanned Tommy. Crean took the kid to Saz's and the kid gorged himself on ribs. Next day he had hideous flatulence. According to some, Crean ribbed the kid mercilessly about his farting throughout the visit. Evidently, Farmer resented the jokes and out of the blue signed with USC.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 27, 2012, 07:25:08 PM
I go to eat dinner, come back and there's 2.5 more pages and a press release from the Williams?

5 Guys - it's all about the peanuts and.....the peanut oil.  I was warned before my first visit that the fries are enough to feed the family.  And I enjoy reading the snippets on the wall from the "Best of Washington DC" magazine.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 27, 2012, 07:27:57 PM
We have to be the most paranoid fan base in all of sports.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 27, 2012, 07:28:02 PM
Now that we have a press release, as someone mentioned last night around page 44, when will KSU17 & KSU18 visit?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: The Process on March 27, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
Now that we have a press release, as someone mentioned last night around page 44, when will KSU17 & KSU18 visit?

As soon as their mom lets them out of their time outs.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 07:31:35 PM
We have to be the most paranoid fan base in all of sports.


Does  "We are already looking forward to next season with a core group of returning players, "
mean some players are getting Buzzed (or Larryd)?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 07:32:41 PM
I go to eat dinner, come back and there's 2.5 more pages and a press release from the Williams?

5 Guys - it's all about the peanuts and.....the peanut oil.  I was warned before my first visit that the fries are enough to feed the family.  And I enjoy reading the snippets on the wall from the "Best of Washington DC" magazine.


Seriously, if those quotes are accurate, DC really sucks for burgers.  5 Guys is OK...but terribly overrated.  I'd rather hit a Sonic because at least I can get a decent strawberry shake.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 27, 2012, 07:33:29 PM

Does  "We are already looking forward to next season with a core group of returning players, "
mean some players are getting Buzzed (or Larryd)?

That's how I took it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 27, 2012, 07:35:12 PM

Does  "We are already looking forward to next season with a core group of returning players, "
mean some players are getting Buzzed (or Larryd)?
You REALLY want this abomination to hit 100 pages, don't you?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 07:36:21 PM
Buzz ain't going nowhere like I said yesterday. Damage is done and school had their balls squeezed.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 07:36:28 PM
I'm not going to burn a source for you basketball dorks.

That sounds like something a journalist would say.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: GOO on March 27, 2012, 07:36:33 PM
Five guys is from the DC area originally, I believe. So they should be ranked high there.

Also we just defeated SMU two years ahead of schedule. I hope they get used to it!  welcome to the BE.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 07:36:52 PM
You REALLY want this abomination to hit 100 pages, don't you?

Workin' it.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 07:38:21 PM
You REALLY want this abomination to hit 100 pages, don't you?

Trolls will be trolls.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LovinCrowder on March 27, 2012, 07:38:45 PM

WTF! Did I wander into a verbal chick flick?


Yes, you did....and you love us   ;)
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 07:39:21 PM
Buzz ain't going nowhere like I said yesterday. Damage is done and school had their balls squeezed.

Did Skat do it?  She's got lady parts.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 27, 2012, 07:39:55 PM
Buzz ain't going nowhere like I said yesterday. Damage is done and school had their balls squeezed.

Kinda funny hearing that from you after all the BS you spewed the past few days.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 27, 2012, 07:40:10 PM

Does  "We are already looking forward to next season with a core group of returning players, "
mean some players are getting Buzzed (or Larryd)?
 
Doesn't matter....all Buzz needs is Jake Thomas back    :D
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 07:40:25 PM
11 more pages to go.......

So within this thread we discussed
* Davante's love life
* Outed a cross dressing poster
* fully vetted the fries at 5 Guys
* turd cutters
* The reappearance of Scoop's Deep Throat84
* Seinfeld = Abe
* Hoops =  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D = the Banned One
* Someone wears depends
*SMUxxxx are badger trolls

And......

All is well in Milwaukee tonight.

Did I miss anything?  

Discuss....cause we gotta get to 100!
T
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LovinCrowder on March 27, 2012, 07:41:00 PM

first MU hires Larry Williams, then you admit to being a Golden Domer as well??


p.s. - Five Guys fries are the worst... why would I get a burger from a place with crapty fries


you have to ask them to make the fries extra crispy or else they come out soggy.....
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 07:41:43 PM
Buzz ain't going nowhere like I said yesterday. Damage is done and school had their balls squeezed.

OK, so first Buzz crushed all of the players' balls every day at practice.
Then, according to goose, Buzz was getting his balls squeezed by LW and Fr.P.
Now, in the last two days, the school had its balls squeezed.

I'm sittin' here smarting just thinking about all of that ball pain.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 07:41:54 PM
11 more pages to go.......

So within this thread we discussed
* Davante's love life
* Outed a cross dressing poster
* fully vetted the fries at 5 Guys
* turd cutters
* The reappearance of Scoop's Deep Throat84
* Seinfeld = Abe
* Hoops =  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D = the Banned One
* Someone wears depends
*SMUxxxx are badger trolls

And......

All is well in Milwaukee tonight.

Did I miss anything?  

Discuss....cause we gotta get to 100!
T

We touched a little bit on the Starr Jones, Dwade thread earlier.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 07:42:22 PM

Yes, you did....and you love us   ;)


Was it good for you?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: nyg on March 27, 2012, 07:43:23 PM
11 more pages to go.......

So within this thread we discussed
* Davante's love life
* Outed a cross dressing poster
* fully vetted the fries at 5 Guys
* turd cutters
* The reappearance of Scoop's Deep Throat84
* Seinfeld = Abe
* Hoops =  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D = the Banned One
* Someone wears depends
*SMUxxxx are badger trolls

And......

All is well in Milwaukee tonight.

Did I miss anything?  

Discuss....cause we gotta get to 100!

All that is missing is in the beginning, SMU17 advising his girlfriend had a diamond face Rolex. 
T
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 27, 2012, 07:45:46 PM
This is the thread that never ends
Yes, it goes on and on my friends
Some people started posting' not knowing' what it was
And they'll continue posting forever just because.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 07:47:42 PM
Ever had Mazos? Best burger in town, hands down.

Mazos' is owned by the Mazos family of Oak Creek. Grandfather John, a proud Greek immigrant from Sparta, started the business during the depression. After the war he passed ownership to his son Nico. His daughter Jackie now runs the store. Son John worked there growing up. John was a strapping lad, 6' 5" and 245 lbs of burger-fueled power. While at Oak Creek High School he was the Wisconsin State shot put runner up. He also played football for the Knights. One of his teammates was John Matuszak, the very first pick in the NFL draft back in the 70's. The Tooz was comfortable slamming into Mazos' where he would pound down 10 burgers in one sitting. The Tooz, though, never felt it necessary to actually pay for his food since he was a friend of the owner's son. After months of this the elder Mazos, Nico, grabbed The Tooz by the collar and tossed him out onto 27th Avenue. After signing his contract with the Raiders he returned and gave Nico $1,000 to pay for all the hamburgers eaten while in high school and college.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 07:55:30 PM
Mazos' is owned by the Mazos family of Oak Creek. Grandfather John, a proud Greek immigrant from Sparta, started the business during the depression. After the war he passed ownership to his son Nico. His daughter Jackie now runs the store. Son John worked there growing up. John was a strapping lad, 6' 5" and 245 lbs of burger-fueled power. While at Oak Creek High School he was the Wisconsin State shot put runner up. He also played football for the Knights. One of his teammates was John Matuszak, the very first pick in the NFL draft back in the 70's. The Tooz was comfortable slamming into Mazos' where he would pound down 10 burgers in one sitting. The Tooz, though, never felt it necessary to actually pay for his food since he was a friend of the owner's son. After months of this the elder Mazos, Nico, grabbed The Tooz by the collar and tossed him out onto 27th Avenue. After signing his contract with the Raiders he returned and gave Nico $1,000 to pay for all the hamburgers eaten while in high school and college.

Is daughter Jackie a strapping lass of burger-fueled power herself?

Also, the Matuszak story reminds me of one time when we ran into him at the bar Craig's on Hwy 100 and Layton (Hales Corners area) in the early '80's.  It was a big rock club with a dance floor.  He was buying a lot of shots for pretty much anyone at the bar who would drink 'em down.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 07:59:34 PM
Kinda funny hearing that from you after all the BS you spewed the past few days.


Much of what he said was accurate.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 27, 2012, 08:00:53 PM
Maybe I haven't dug around enough, but am I the only not really inspired by the comments of Buzz and the AD? It almost feels like a married couple that wants to stop fighting only for the sake of stopping the fight, and not really resolving the issue at heart. I think I'm just loss and not sure what the core issue is here.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 08:01:44 PM
As I reflect over the past several days it strikes me that our tribe - diverse, spatially scattered, and ranging across the years - has seen fit to band together and hold numerous constituencies accountable. We stoked the sparks of rumor into a full-blown conflagration of Peter Finch rage. Ours was a latter day form of sick, malicious vandalism that would make Delta House proud and keep Dean Wormer up at night. I think we can all take a great deal of pride in what we have accomplished here. This was a tremendous exercise in banality taken virtual form. Not only did we capture the attention of a nation but we achieved the Holy Grail of Hooliganism - we elicited a response from our victims! The mainstream media was forced to stand up and take note; we shamed them into comment! More important, the Williamses felt compelled to say something! Gentlemen, we achieved greatness today. You have staked out your space in the Pantheon of Pranksterdom Heroes! Stand tall, be proud, and Never Forget! I am humbled to be in the presence of such audacity!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 27, 2012, 08:02:00 PM
Avenue.....completely agree on Chico's.

After spending the last three days with your ridiculous assertions about Buzz's balls being squeezed, how he was going to leave, how Pilarz was going to force him out, how MU was about to become SLU you want anyone here to believe your assertions about anything MU related?  Some of us knew your gig was up 48 hours ago on this stuff.  Glad to see it finally came true today to put these ridiculous rumors to rest.


Sorry, didn't see this.  I skipped over about 40 pages of this thread.  Thanks for pointing it out to me.  You honestly went back and calculated the percentage of posts in which he used  ::)?  ::)  I really, really hope you are chicos, or your obsession with him is incredibly weird.  I don't feel like wasting anymore of my time than I have just by being a part of this thread, could you please calculate the number of times you have  ::) in your last 150 posts?  Just for comparison's sake, of course.

The point is, you use  ::) in the exact same ways as Chicos.  Not many people post in a way that  ::) is necessary.  You/Chicos post in the exact same way as one another, which is a very unique way.  It is no coincidence.  Honestly, if I gave enough of a crap to actually go back and calculate the percentage of posts that Chicos used  ::) overall compared to the percentage of posts that hoopaloop uses  ::) overall, and also analyzed in what sense you use  ::) I guarantee I would find that the numbers and situations that the  ::) is used are incredibly similar.  I would also have to have a really, really weird obsession with other dudes, too.  Unfortunately for you, I do not.  Either that or I would have to have any doubt whatsoever that you are chicos.

You say you don't have an obsession with other dudes yet you comment about other posters, particularly him (he's been gone for almost a year) and others on how they post.  That seems like an obsession to me.  You made a claim that I was him based on the use of a smiley when you stated he used it all the time.  I went back, looked and he didn't use it all the time, rarely used it at all.  



Now you say I post "exact same way as one another".  You were wrong on the  ;) claim now you want to double down on this so we believe you this time?  I don't know how he posted so exactly how does one determine that a person posts exact same way, especially when you have made the claim that he used  ;) all the time.  

I asked the other day, how is it possible that I'm here on chat during the game and he is at the game taking photographs (we can see this from his CS posting) 1,500 miles away?  How is it that he has been on chat sometimes at the same time as I have been?  How is it that I joined Scoop months before he was banned?  How is it that I can be at his house having a beer and talking to him as he is in another chair looking back at me with his wife in a chair next to him?  

One thing I did notice when going back to his posts.  He often used ..... when posting.  I was never taught this in English classes but that appears in many of his contributions.  So what about that 'exact same way an one another" logic you proclaimed? I don't see it. He often used capitals, colors, underlined things others said to prove his points.  So what about that 'exact same way an one another" logic you proclaimed? I don't see it.

This is how easy it is.  Click here for his posts

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8;sa=showPosts

All you have to do is click a mouse on the link.   I see a lot of "..." and underlining, colors, caps.  I see very few of  ::) or this  ;) or this  :o   as you claimed.


There is zero doubt in my mind Hoopaloop is Chicos Bail Bonds. Same writing style. Same hyping of Indiana, where if he didn't go to school there, he worked there before he became a satellite-dish selling titan in California.

See above.  Same answers.  I don't hype Indiana. I don't ignore their relevance in the college basketball landscape.  Coach Norman Dale poster must be Chico because he is an IU grad and has an IU avatar.


Well that solves it. Hoopaloop is the "independent" auditor that Chicos found to analyze his posts. It brings everything full circle. I'm sure he just referenced data from that past audit, or it is that time of year again.

I'm very good with numbers, but not in an auditing sense.  

This is how easy it is.  Click here for his posts

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8;sa=showPosts

All you have to do is click a mouse on the link.   I see a lot of "..." and underlining, colors, caps.  I see very few of  ::) or this  ;) or this  :o  


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2012, 08:03:20 PM

Does  "We are already looking forward to next season with a core group of returning players, "
mean some players are getting Buzzed (or Larryd)?
Huh?

There is a core group of returning players - MU loses 2 - Jae and DJO.  How does that translate into someone getting "buzzed"?  Grasping there, IMHO.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: forgetful on March 27, 2012, 08:05:06 PM

you have to ask them to make the fries extra crispy or else they come out soggy.....

This is the most valuable thing I got out of this thread, because I always hated that they came out soggy.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: lab_warrior on March 27, 2012, 08:06:50 PM

Much of what he said was accurate.

If it was, then Buzz would be gone.  He's not.  Prove it was accurate.  PROVE IT.  PROVE IT.

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 08:07:12 PM
Is daughter Jackie a strapping lass of burger-fueled power herself?

Also, the Matuszak story reminds me of one time when we ran into him at the bar Craig's on Hwy 100 and Layton (Hales Corners area) in the early '80's.  It was a big rock club with a dance floor.  He was buying a lot of shots for pretty much anyone at the bar who would drink 'em down.

Jackie is still a strapping lass of Herculean proportions. Like brother John she was a shot putter and took third in the Wisconsin State Meet. I understand she rules MAzos' with an iron fist. None dare cross Jackie.

The Tooz was a larger than life character. Obviously he was on candy all those years. His heart literally shredded apart when he was in his 30's. Somehow, it is best that he never aged. Al Davis siad at his funeral that it was The Tooz who cemented the Raider Image more than any other.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: dbwarriors on March 27, 2012, 08:08:04 PM
I thought SMU was for St. Mary's University.  Didn't realize Southern Methodist is even a D1 program.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 08:09:30 PM
I've been active (I hate to admit it) on the Marquette message boards since there was just the one board. This is going back to 2002 so that's 10 years (pains me to say it).

There is zero doubt in my mind Hoopaloop is Chicos Bail Bonds. Same writing style. Same hyping of Indiana, where if he didn't go to school there, he worked there before he became a satellite-dish selling titan in California.

The only thing that makes me doubt that it is Chicos's is his lack of name dropping that Chico's was known for.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 08:10:23 PM
Wasn't aware 5 Guys has Cajun fries. I think their small fries run about $4 and can feed the russian army. Don't think I could swap out fries for peanuts when I am having a greasy burger. That's why we fought the Cold War, isn't it?

They just douse their regular fries with Laury's salt.  It definitely improves them.  And yes, the size is incredibly large.  Definitely enough to split with someone.  I never get them.  Always eat the peanuts while waiting for my order to be called.  Then focus solely on the thick, juicy meat...
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 27, 2012, 08:11:02 PM
I heard that Buzz wants to change the nickname back to WARRIORS and that the administration refuses to budge! They claim everyone wants to be the GOLDEN EAGLES!

That should be enough to get this past the baseball thread. Might be enough to get the Internet the explode.

What was the baseball thread about?
Title: So Buzz Williams is staying at Marquette?
Post by: MU Avenue on March 27, 2012, 08:11:44 PM
Yes or No: Buzz Williams is staying at Marquette University?

I have read the statements from Buzz Williams and Larry Williams

I read each to mean that Buzz Williams is where he wants to be and will remain coach of MU basketball.

I am correct?

I do not understand that “Buzz Williams and Larry Williams will have no further comments relating to this matter.”

Why no further comment from Buzz?

If Buzz is staying at Marquette, and if he is glad and proud to be doing so, why not SHOUT it for all to hear?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 27, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
What was the baseball thread about?
Somehow I missed that one?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Small Orange Soda on March 27, 2012, 08:13:26 PM
The only thing that makes me doubt that it is Chicos's is his lack of name dropping that Chico's was known for.

When you know Chicos, his is the only name that need be dropped.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 96warrior on March 27, 2012, 08:13:34 PM
Maybe I haven't dug around enough, but am I the only not really inspired by the comments of Buzz and the AD? It almost feels like a married couple that wants to stop fighting only for the sake of stopping the fight, and not really resolving the issue at heart. I think I'm just loss and not sure what the core issue is here.

To me it sounds like statements by two people who really had no issues but had to say something to quell the ever growing hysteria of the media and fan message boards. You can hear their eyes rolling as if to say, I cannot believe we have to address fabricated lunacy.

My guess is SMU wanted to talk to Buzz, he has no agent so has to talk to them directly and did so because he's a polite guy. I think he did take the conversation to make a statement but had no intention ever of leaving MU. I think maybe there were some tensions stemming from the most recent coverage in the JS but nowhere near the epic proportions this board made them out to be and that the tension was more over the ridiculous coverage of a non-incident than anything else.

As has been said elsewhere, if there is any good in this, it's that now Buzz and his bosses know how much he means to the fans.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 08:14:29 PM
What was the baseball thread about?

Brewers fans vs. Cubs fans vs. a few Cards fans pissing all over each other and the cities they came from.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 08:14:35 PM
 Then focus solely on the thick, juicy meat...

You might not want to say that around a Fighter Squadron Hangar...
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 08:15:19 PM
Renamed?  Noooooo.  SMU needs to be associated with something #1.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 08:16:59 PM

Seriously, if those quotes are accurate, DC really sucks for burgers.  5 Guys is OK...but terribly overrated.  I'd rather hit a Sonic because at least I can get a decent strawberry shake.

Sonic's actually food is honestly some of the worst food I've ever had.  Even their ice cream is pretty awful.  The slushies and limeades are really good.  Otherwise, horrible.
Title: Re: So Buzz Williams is staying at Marquette?
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 08:17:12 PM
He lost his voice in the Florida game.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Sir Lawrence on March 27, 2012, 08:17:30 PM
Brewers fans vs. Cubs fans vs. a few Cards fans pissing all over each other and the cities they came from.

Plus it spans more than one season.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MakeItRain11 on March 27, 2012, 08:17:46 PM
Renamed?  Noooooo.  SMU needs to be associated with something #1.

Maybe if they throw their oil money at one of the moderators they would change it back?
Title: Re: So Buzz Williams is staying at Marquette?
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on March 27, 2012, 08:18:03 PM
What else is there to say?
Title: Re: So Buzz Williams is staying at Marquette?
Post by: 96warrior on March 27, 2012, 08:20:13 PM
Yes he is staying. A profuse statement from him would be totally out of character. He reminds me of my attorney spouse who always leaves an out and makes statements that address the immediate question without making a commitment to any future possibilities. Will there be a day when Buzz Williams is no longer the coach of the men's basketball team? Of course. That day, fortunately, is not today. That is all Buzz needs to address, and he did.

LW's statement is more forward looking, saying he is lookin forward to working with Buzz in the coming years, but even that really just addresses the immediate future. "years" could be two seasons, it could be fifty.

The immediate question is answered, nothing more to say.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 27, 2012, 08:24:21 PM
Plus it spans more than one season.

Wait...I think if we just keep requoting items from previous posters who posted when the thread had its original name, then the new thread name won't kick in.  The new name takes effect only on replies that are not qouting comments under the old name.  

/smirk
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: lab_warrior on March 27, 2012, 08:28:08 PM
To me it sounds like statements by two people who really had no issues but had to say something to quell the ever growing hysteria of the media and fan message boards. You can hear their eyes rolling as if to say, I cannot believe we have to address fabricated lunacy.



BINGO!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 27, 2012, 08:29:03 PM
Renamed?  Noooooo.  SMU needs to be associated with something #1.

Schools to receive the NCAA Death Penalty

1. SMU

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: The Process on March 27, 2012, 08:29:54 PM
Let's sit back and watch Buzz not "mess with happy"

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x392/CFBSection/Articles/gifs/80558aab.gif)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: muhoops1 on March 27, 2012, 08:32:17 PM
He's staying?  But SMU18 said we would give up our MU degrees for what they are offering Buzz.  Do you think SMU18 is really an SMU alum living in the Upper Midwest or just some douche nozzle stirring the pot.  We took the bait and went bat crap crazy with it.  It damn near ruined my vacation.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 08:35:44 PM
After spending the last three days with your ridiculous assertions about Buzz's balls being squeezed, how he was going to leave, how Pilarz was going to force him out, how MU was about to become SLU you want anyone here to believe your assertions about anything MU related?  Some of us knew your gig was up 48 hours ago on this stuff.  Glad to see it finally came true today to put these ridiculous rumors to rest.


You say you don't have an obsession with other dudes yet you comment about other posters, particularly him (he's been gone for almost a year) and others on how they post.  That seems like an obsession to me.  You made a claim that I was him based on the use of a smiley when you stated he used it all the time.  I went back, looked and he didn't use it all the time, rarely used it at all.  



Now you say I post "exact same way as one another".  You were wrong on the  ;) claim now you want to double down on this so we believe you this time?  I don't know how he posted so exactly how does one determine that a person posts exact same way, especially when you have made the claim that he used  ;) all the time.  

I asked the other day, how is it possible that I'm here on chat during the game and he is at the game taking photographs (we can see this from his CS posting) 1,500 miles away?  How is it that he has been on chat sometimes at the same time as I have been?  How is it that I joined Scoop months before he was banned?  How is it that I can be at his house having a beer and talking to him as he is in another chair looking back at me with his wife in a chair next to him?  

One thing I did notice when going back to his posts.  He often used ..... when posting.  I was never taught this in English classes but that appears in many of his contributions.  So what about that 'exact same way an one another" logic you proclaimed? I don't see it. He often used capitals, colors, underlined things others said to prove his points.  So what about that 'exact same way an one another" logic you proclaimed? I don't see it.

This is how easy it is.  Click here for his posts

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8;sa=showPosts

All you have to do is click a mouse on the link.   I see a lot of "..." and underlining, colors, caps.  I see very few of  ::) or this  ;) or this  :o   as you claimed.

See above.  Same answers.  I don't hype Indiana. I don't ignore their relevance in the college basketball landscape.  Coach Norman Dale poster must be Chico because he is an IU grad and has an IU avatar.


I'm very good with numbers, but not in an auditing sense.  

This is how easy it is.  Click here for his posts

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=profile;u=8;sa=showPosts

All you have to do is click a mouse on the link.   I see a lot of "..." and underlining, colors, caps.  I see very few of  ::) or this  ;) or this  :o  




Like I said, I don't really feel like wasting any more time than I already have by reading this thread.  No need to analyze it.  If it was necessary, people are employed to compare writing samples.  No need for me to go pay a professional.  I already know you're Chicos.  And if I was obsessed I would go ahead and actually look at your old posts under your previous name and tally the number of  ::) (the only smiley I am talking about, so the  ;) has no place here) in each members' posts.  If I was obsessed I would talk about how great of a friend I was with Chicos and how we meet up and eat dinner together.  Instead, I only bring up Chicos when you are making a post that Chicos would make (which makes sense, because you are Chicos).  I honestly have no problem at all with Chicos (you).  I just think it's hilarious that you continually deny it when it is so clear.  I understand, because then this name would be banned as well and you would come back as another member and claim not to be Chicos/Hoopaloop.  It's just funny to me.

And it's not that hard to think of the tone that Chicos posted in and realize it is the exact same tone you often post in.  You are a very condescending person, and not many people post on an internet forum like you do.  Not many people use  ::) either.  You do.  Apparently in 3.33% of your posts, or so you tell me.  You say that isn't a lot.  I would put money on that being far more than any other poster here.  Except for maybe me now, since I have been mockingly typing  ::) quite a bit lately.  You also go out of your way to defend Indiana and Tom Crean as much as you possibly can, just like Chicos did, and you also love to string together 6 straight replies without combining them into 1 reply, just like Chicos.  Believe me, I know how big of a job Indiana is, how hard that would be for any coach in basketball to turn down, an dhow much Tom Crean did for Marquette.  Every (rational) poster here understands those things, and if any of them forgot it, we all know you would be there to remind them.  A lot of us agree with all of the points you make about it.  The difference between you and all others is you are the only one who goes out of your way to defend Indiana (a team you claim you hate because you are a "Purdue grad").  It's pretty contradictory, and gets pretty old when you bring it up every chance you get.

Anyways, good talk, Chicos.

 ::)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 08:37:26 PM
Let's sit back and watch Buzz not "mess with happy"

(http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x392/CFBSection/Articles/gifs/80558aab.gif)

This is the best post in the thread.  It would be even better if you had said, "Buzz will be doing this over some ponies in 2 years."
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 27, 2012, 08:39:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDthMGtZKa4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDthMGtZKa4)

has the shark been jumped yet?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: LovinCrowder on March 27, 2012, 08:39:57 PM
This is the most valuable thing I got out of this thread, because I always hated that they came out soggy.


Glad to be of service..... :)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2012, 08:43:13 PM
Maybe I haven't dug around enough, but am I the only not really inspired by the comments of Buzz and the AD? It almost feels like a married couple that wants to stop fighting only for the sake of stopping the fight, and not really resolving the issue at heart. I think I'm just loss and not sure what the core issue is here.

I agree Dish. Sounded more like two fighters returning to neutral corners between rounds, with Larry giving Buzz a tepid, almost passive aggressive "endorsement" while Buzz talked of his love for the players and institution but left the administration out of it.

A year ago, a good source (for those who require names, sorry) told me he thought Buzz would be a Marquette lifer. That same source told me in February he thought Buzz was gone after this season. That's how much he felt "happiness had been messed with". Here's hoping the fences can be mended, but if Larry's statement is the best he can do I have serious doubts.

For those (Hoopaloop,etc) who think as long as Buzz is makin' the big bucks he should gratefully and reverentially kiss his new bosses backsides, you haven't been payin' attention. Everyone who knows Buzz says it, and anyone who watches Buzz sees it. Trust and loyalty, that's how he rolls. If his bosses are more concerned with perceptions and scapegoats this marriage won't last.

So I'm happy today, but not nearly as happy as I was a year ago.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 08:45:46 PM
Anyone else going through withdrawal?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 08:46:53 PM
What happened to all those that were condemning Larry Williams for the last 30 pages?  What a roller coaster of emotion.  "Buzz is the bad guy" "Larry is the bad guy" "this stupid new President Pilarz wants to concentrate too much on education and let the bball program go to hell"...
Glad that is over for this year.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: The Process on March 27, 2012, 08:48:01 PM
This is the best post in the thread.  It would be even better if you had said, "Buzz will be doing this over some ponies in 2 years."

I thought about that, but after all... "don't mess with happy."

I'm happy.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2012, 08:49:39 PM
They don't like each other, MU wanted him to leave and we kept him. Keep recruiting studs Buzz!!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 27, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
Now what is the over/under on the number of pages in this thread?

And we are still 150 or so post away from the baseball pissing match world record of 2402.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Sir Lawrence on March 27, 2012, 08:51:48 PM
I agree Dish. Sounded more like two fighters returning to neutral corners between rounds, with Larry giving Buzz a tepid, almost passive aggressive "endorsement" while Buzz talked of his love for the players and institution but left the administration out of it.

A year ago, a good source (for those who require names, sorry) told me he thought Buzz would be a Marquette lifer. That same source told me in February he thought Buzz was gone after this season. That's how much he felt "happiness had been messed with". Here's hoping the fences can be mended, but if Larry's statement is the best he can do I have serious doubts.

For those (Hoopaloop,etc) who think as long as Buzz is makin' the big bucks he should gratefully and reverentially kiss his new bosses backsides, you haven't been payin' attention. Everyone who knows Buzz says it, and anyone who watches Buzz sees it. Trust and loyalty, that's how he rolls. If his bosses are more concerned with perceptions and scapegoats this marriage won't last.

Dish has it nailed. The statements were made because both sides were under enormous pressure to "work it out."

Like a married couple in counseling, more therapy is needed, but Buzz is here for now.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 08:54:44 PM
I thought about that, but after all... "don't mess with happy."

I'm happy.

Haha, me too.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 08:54:54 PM
They don't like each other, MU wanted him to leave and we kept him. Keep recruiting studs Buzz!!

I don't know that I'd say they don't like each other.  Maybe there were some differences of opinion that needed to be sorted out.  And maybe not.  

I could see Buzz being on side of "as a Christian University I want to bring in guys from all walks of life and make them better gentlemen.  That doesn't mean I can control everything they do but I will do my best make sure they do not put a black mark on this institution."  

And at the same time I could see Larry on the other end saying "we want DO NOT want to bring in anyone that is going to make this institution's integrity get publicly questioned all the time.  This is more than just a basketball university, it is a Christian University with high expectations."

And maybe none of this happened, but if it did I could see both of their points.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 08:56:35 PM

(http://puddlesgathering.com/blog/ani-beaker_panic.gif)




Domer WTF





Bring back Cottingham.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 08:57:35 PM

Much of what he said was accurate.
The "stick it to 'em Buzz" commentary he added (and continues with) was a little stale for my tastes.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: LovinCrowder on March 27, 2012, 08:58:28 PM
Anyone else going through withdrawal?



I am.....I am relieved though......I am finally happy and now I can get back to normalcy in my life....

I've spent the last couple of days practically glued to my computer (as did a lot of others)....  

I'm just so happy that Buzz is staying!!!!!


WE ARE MARQUETTE!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 27, 2012, 09:00:27 PM
They don't like each other, MU wanted him to leave and we kept him. Keep recruiting studs Buzz!!

So, lemme get this straight. 48 hours ago, you were regaling us with tales about how the administration wanted Buzz gone and didn't care a lick what we thought about that.
Today, you're saying he's still around, despite the university wanting him gone .... because they care so much about what we think.

Do I have that correct?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on March 27, 2012, 09:00:37 PM
For those (Hoopaloop,etc) who think as long as Buzz is makin' the big bucks he should gratefully and reverentially kiss his new bosses backsides, you haven't been payin' attention. Everyone who knows Buzz says it, and anyone who watches Buzz sees it. Trust and loyalty, that's how he rolls. If his bosses are more concerned with perceptions and scapegoats this marriage won't last.

So I'm happy today, but not nearly as happy as I was a year ago.

Agree on the being far happier a year ago today - but based on what I've seen, I'm not ready to give Buzz quite the same monopoly on defining trust and loyalty as you are.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: StillWarriors on March 27, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
I agree Dish. Sounded more like two fighters returning to neutral corners between rounds, with Larry giving Buzz a tepid, almost passive aggressive "endorsement" while Buzz talked of his love for the players and institution but left the administration out of it.

A year ago, a good source (for those who require names, sorry) told me he thought Buzz would be a Marquette lifer. That same source told me in February he thought Buzz was gone after this season. That's how much he felt "happiness had been messed with". Here's hoping the fences can be mended, but if Larry's statement is the best he can do I have serious doubts.

For those (Hoopaloop,etc) who think as long as Buzz is makin' the big bucks he should gratefully and reverentially kiss his new bosses backsides, you haven't been payin' attention. Everyone who knows Buzz says it, and anyone who watches Buzz sees it. Trust and loyalty, that's how he rolls. If his bosses are more concerned with perceptions and scapegoats this marriage won't last.

So I'm happy today, but not nearly as happy as I was a year ago.

My feeling as well.  Can't say my initial impressions of LW are favorable at all. Hopefully this doesn't continue to be an ongoing power struggle. While Buzz will win in the court of public opinion, ultimately he wouldn't likely win that battle in terms of longevity.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 09:08:05 PM
They have another year to work on it...at this point that's all that counts.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warrior_2002 on March 27, 2012, 09:09:03 PM
Exactly Sultan.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:10:16 PM
I can't believe it's really over.  I don't think we'll ever again see trolls as effective with as little to work with as the SMU trolls were these last few days.  An impressive feat, to be sure.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 09:11:33 PM
They have another year to work on it...at this point that's all that counts.

...unless another job opens up between now and next season.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 27, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
...unless another job opens up between now and next season.

... like Rick Barnes get hits by a bus?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Oldgym on March 27, 2012, 09:14:29 PM
I can't believe it's really over.  I don't think we'll ever again see trolls as effective with as little to work with as we the SMU trolls these last few days.  An impressive feat, to be sure.

This.  We were somebody's wildly successful science project.  I despise trolls, but props to that one.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mviale on March 27, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
Makes me so happy to have Buzz as our coach.  Great year and many more to come.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 09:20:55 PM
IWB trolled us.    Nobody cared about the SMU losers.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 27, 2012, 09:24:27 PM
IWB trolled us.    Nobody cared about the SMU losers.

+1

This thread was dying on page 3 and then IWB's tweet that Buzz was "listening" charged up everyone and we had 30 pages in a few hours.

the SMU trolls was a sideshow
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:26:26 PM
Forgive my ignorance, I've heard the name referred to many times over the years but never have figured out who he is, where he comes from, or why people listen to him... who is "IWB"?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: PVMagic on March 27, 2012, 09:26:47 PM
I have absolutely nothing to add... I just want to add my piece to this... whatever this is.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 09:26:55 PM
Fishing for walleyes in Canada in June.  Need a wall hanger.

Crawlers, minnows, or blue glass shad rap?

Discuss......
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 09:27:22 PM
The Godfather of recruiting insiders for MU.

Not given as much by Buzz since Crean left.  Buzz keeps it tight to the vest.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 27, 2012, 09:27:29 PM
How is it that I can be at his house having a beer and talking to him as he is in another chair looking back at me with his wife in a chair next to him?  



Where do you get this notion that I'm a good friend of his?    I never met Chicos until after I signed up here and have to this day only met him one time when we were in California at the Disney parks (he lives close by).  I never had an email exchange or any conversation with him until after I signed up here, either.

Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:28:03 PM
Fishing for walleyes in Canada in June.  Need a wall hanger.

Crawlers, minnows, or blue glass shad rap?

Discuss......
blue glass shad rap - because its name has four words.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:28:47 PM
The Godfather of recruiting insiders for MU.
What does that mean?  How would one find him if one wanted to read whatever it is he writes?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 09:29:13 PM
Minnows, back troll.  Which lake?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 09:30:40 PM
What does that mean?  How would one find him if one wanted to read whatever it is he writes?

Go to silk exotic on Wed night and ask to talk to the Irritated White Boy, he'll be at the bar closing it down.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: esotericmindguy on March 27, 2012, 09:31:39 PM
IWB trolled us.    Nobody cared about the SMU losers.

Did he? I thought he reported accurately from the looks of it.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 27, 2012, 09:32:34 PM
Go to silk exotic on Wed night and ask to talk to the Irritated White Boy, he'll be at the bar closing it down.
THANK YOU.  I'm finally getting somewhere.  I'll be an insider in no time...  First I need to get some singles.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 09:33:51 PM
Eagle, in Ontario.  Cedar Point Lodge.  Great place.  Huge frickin lake.

Lots of muuuuskilunges too.  

No sh1t,  landed a 28 inch waldo with bite marks on it last year.  Almost had the double header of a lifetime!  
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: GGGG on March 27, 2012, 09:34:15 PM
...unless another job opens up between now and next season.


IWB just tweeted that KSU is after Buzz!!!!!

Just kidding...
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Rubie Q on March 27, 2012, 09:35:35 PM
Did he? I thought he reported accurately from the looks of it.

From where I sat, he fanned a fire that didn't need fanning to drive traffic to his new website.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 09:38:23 PM
Eagle, in Ontario.  Cedar Point Lodge.  Great place.  Huge frickin lake.

Lots of muuuuskilunges too.  

No sh1t,  landed a 28 inch waldo with bite marks on it last year.  Almost had the double header of a lifetime!  

I go to that exact lodge every other summer for last 16 years.  Been on many guided fishes on that lake.  No joke, blond headed dude is the owner.  Hell,  I could put you on the Walleye/Northern/Musky spots.   There's one I won't give up though but a guide would probably.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Benny B on March 27, 2012, 09:41:54 PM
What I've learned from this thread:

60% of people who cite unnamed sources are full of crap.
30% of people who cite unnamed sources are being fed a load of crap from their sources.
10% of people who cite unnamed sources are really just paraphrasing something they read elsewhere on the Internet.

Chicos and Hoop aren't the same person; they're the same people.

There are about a dozen people who are laughing their butts off at this thread.  And it's not the SMU or UW fans.

Someone in the athletic department is going to lose their job soon, and nobody here will ever notice.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 09:44:02 PM
I go to that exact lodge every other summer for last 16 years.  Been on many guided fishes on that lake.  No joke, blond headed dude is the owner.  Hell,  I could put you on the Walleye/Northern/Musky spots.   There's one I won't give up though but a guide would probably.

Were you up there last year?

Wayne, the guide, is  a hoot.  Pour a little whiskey in him, and he'll talk all night!  

Pat, the owner was most gracious.  They get a lot of Milwaukee business.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 09:48:01 PM
Were you up there last year?

Wayne, the guide, is  a hoot.  Pour a little whiskey in him, and he'll talk all night!  

Pat, the owner was most gracious.  They get a lot of Milwaukee business.

No, too busy with school.  This summer I'm in the last semester of my Master's program so I'll see if I can swing it otherwise next summer.   Wayne is great, except he's a jigging man I like to back troll for Walleye.  

I could give a couple spots near Stanley's Resort I got from one of their guides.    Write down Ed's Point,  back troll from the point, find the  18-25 ft of water area off the point.   Rocky bottom, find some big wallys, and the occassional monster northern looking for a meal.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 27, 2012, 09:48:13 PM
THANK YOU.  I'm finally getting somewhere.  I'll be an insider in no time...  First I need to get some singles.

careful about being an "insider".  you don't want to get the syph.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 09:50:30 PM
I go to that exact lodge every other summer for last 16 years.  Been on many guided fishes on that lake.  No joke, blond headed dude is the owner.  Hell,  I could put you on the Walleye/Northern/Musky spots.   There's one I won't give up though but a guide would probably.
.

Ran into some folks from Indiana up there last year.  Asked them if they were Boiler fans or Hoosier fans.  They responded ND.  They were missing their front teeth (before I asked the question).

Asked them what they thought of Tommy Suntan.  Took them a few seconds to realize who I was referring too.  They said that they had high expectations, as Crean was getting very good in-state recruits.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 09:51:03 PM
Forgive my ignorance, I've heard the name referred to many times over the years but never have figured out who he is, where he comes from, or why people listen to him... who is "IWB"?

How dare you! IWB has more contacts than Bausch & Lombe!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
.

Ran into some folks from Indiana up there last year.  Asked them if they were Boiler fans or Hoosier fans.  They responded ND.  They were missing their front teeth (before I asked the question).

Asked them what they thought of Tommy Suntan.  Took them a few seconds to realize who I was referring too.  They said that they had high expectations, as Crean was getting very good in-state recruits.

Usually rednecks from Nebraska up there when my party is for some reason.   
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 27, 2012, 09:55:07 PM
... like Rick Barnes get hits by a bus?

Can we take up a collection and buy him one of these suits?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnAPhhrhytI
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 09:55:15 PM
No, too busy with school.  This summer I'm in the last semester of my Master's program so I'll see if I can swing it otherwise next summer.   Wayne is great, except he's a jigging man I like to back troll for Walleye.  

I could give a couple spots near Stanley's Resort I got from one of their guides.    Write down Ed's Point,  back troll from the point, find the  18-25 ft of water area off the point.   Rocky bottom, find some big wallys, and the occassional monster northern looking for a meal.

You're right about wayne and jigs.  He had about 300 home made jigs, and 2 spoons in his tackle box.  He also loves crawler in June.  You have to bring them over the border.  Pat make too much money selling minnows to stock crawlers in June
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 27, 2012, 10:02:49 PM
Let me get this straight - I go out to dinner for a couple of hours, come back to find the storm's gone away and we're talking fishing?  Do I have this right?
Does this mean the bake sale is cancelled?
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: wadesworld on March 27, 2012, 10:06:57 PM
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?

Hmmmm....interesting....

 ::)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 10:07:39 PM
Let me get this straight - I go out to dinner for a couple of hours, come back to find the storm's gone away and we're talking fishing?  Do I have this right?
Does this mean the bake sale is cancelled?

Daredevils, Doctor Spoon, or Williams Whitefish for northern.

Discuss.......

45 inch nordski on a polished silver Williams Whitefish spoon in Manitoba!  Kississing Lake!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 10:12:16 PM
  :o 52" Musky back trolling on a Little Joe rig in a walleye hot bed spot actually not far from Cedar Point lodge.


Monsters be there, chili.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 10:19:09 PM
  :o 52" Musky back trolling on a Little Joe rig in a walleye hot bed spot actually not far from Cedar Point lodge.


Monsters be there, chili.

They have the new lodge done.  Very nice.  When do you go up there?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: pbiflyer on March 27, 2012, 10:23:29 PM
Let me get this straight - I go out to dinner for a couple of hours, come back to find the storm's gone away and we're talking fishing?  Do I have this right?
Does this mean the bake sale is cancelled?
Best post of this thread.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Bocephys on March 27, 2012, 10:24:04 PM
From where I sat, he fanned a fire that didn't need fanning to drive traffic to his new website.

Agree completely, and I said as much somewhere back in the 50s.  I think posting the ridiculous student letter took the cake though.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 10:24:40 PM
End of July/early-mid August usually.    So surprising with the Musky's but we've actually had good luck working the walleye hot spots for Musky.   Caught a 48" Musky at the same spot and a couple smaller ones.   When that lake turns on man it's giddy up time.    Awesome place, we stayed at Eagle's Nest haven't seen the finished new place, bet it's awesome though.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 27, 2012, 10:34:39 PM
End of July/early-mid August usually.    So surprising with the Musky's but we've actually had good luck working the walleye hot spots for Musky.   Caught a 48" Musky at the same spot and a couple smaller ones.   When that lake turns on man it's giddy up time.    Awesome place, we stayed at Eagle's Nest haven't seen the finished new place, bet it's awesome though.

They've got a picture of it with Pat's family in it on the website.  If you scroll through the fishing pics from last year, you will see the Wally with the bite marks on it.  Guys has a white ASU sweatshirt on.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 27, 2012, 10:51:16 PM
Yeah, looked like pretty fresh bite marks on the tail.   Were you in Bottleneck Bay?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on March 27, 2012, 10:54:21 PM
Love the rebranding.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 27, 2012, 11:08:50 PM
They have another year to work on it...at this point that's all that counts.

Sultan I trust your judgment, but what insight do you have to what the "it" is that needs to be worked out here? After 90+ pages, I probably should know by now.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: awilhelmscream on March 27, 2012, 11:15:15 PM
Sultan I trust your judgment, but what insight do you have to what the "it" is that needs to be worked out here? After 90+ pages, I probably should know by now.

Based on the 90+ pages I'm going to say both of them need to work on trusting each other.  Trustis the "it".
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors10 on March 27, 2012, 11:32:08 PM
Only 100 off.


Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 27, 2012, 11:38:02 PM
Spent 2 hours catching up.

I believe in giving credit where credit is due.  However this turns out, this has got to be one of the most outstanding trolling efforts of all time.  These SMU fans (or are they Badger fans?) have done an amazing job.  Some day I'll be telling my children's children about the SMU troll of '12.

+2
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 27, 2012, 11:39:24 PM
Terrible quote.  Just cause a beer is mass produced does not mean that it is not well crafted.  If someone took the high life recipe and marketed it as a micro brew made by hippies in Boulder than it would be deemed quality.


I love high life and screw Kuma for telling me what beers I can like and cant.

Me too!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 27, 2012, 11:41:08 PM
This thread proves that we do NOT have better things to do.

+100
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 27, 2012, 11:44:41 PM
Maybe the Mods can spambot LWill and the Padre like they did for the voting for Spaniel's daughter as the athlete of the week?

btw, out here in the Central Valley and heard the guy in front of me at the In & Out drive through order the "Jerry Wainwright to MU Special"  

As an FYI, the week she was up for the award there were 297,000 total votes cast. The following week: 457 total votes!  :D

(Note: 47 page bump!)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 11:45:52 PM
Is it likely that there will be a refreshing beverage named after Tiger Woods?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 27, 2012, 11:50:11 PM
The best burgers come from your grill.  Go here and ask for some Schmeisser patties. The BEST!

http://www.yelp.com/biz/schmeissers-home-made-sausage-inc-niles
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 27, 2012, 11:57:11 PM
The best burgers come from your grill.  Go here and ask for some Schmeisser patties. The BEST!

http://www.yelp.com/biz/schmeissers-home-made-sausage-inc-niles

You, sir, have never experienced Dick's!

http://www.ddir.com/

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 12:27:44 AM
You, sir, have never experienced Dick's!

http://www.ddir.com/



Gimmee a dick burger?  If I walked into an establishment and said that I'd be afraid to open my mouth.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 12:39:59 AM
Gimmee a dick burger?  If I walked into an establishment and said that I'd be afraid to open my mouth.

If you are in Milwaukee you should check out Mazos on 27th & Oklahoma
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 12:43:33 AM
If you are in Milwaukee you should check out Mazos on 27th & Oklahoma

I'm an AJ Bombers fan.  But I keep hearing good things about Mazos, so probably give it a try real soon.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 12:47:09 AM
I'm an AJ Bombers fan.  But I keep hearing good things about Mazos, so probably give it a try real soon.

Another great burger is at Kopps Custrad. They had this strange post-industrial Nazi Berlin concrete bunker design. Great burgers and the custard is superb. Haven't been there in 15 years, though.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on March 28, 2012, 12:56:02 AM
I'm an AJ Bombers fan.  But I keep hearing good things about Mazos, so probably give it a try real soon.

I'm over in that direction at least once a week, and haven't tried Mazos yet. Gonna have to remedy that situation.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 12:59:23 AM
I'm an AJ Bombers fan.  But I keep hearing good things about Mazos, so probably give it a try real soon.

What is AJ Bombers?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 01:04:40 AM
Another proud culinary tradition of Milwaukee is the Friday Fish Fry. We were married by Fr Corbett Walsh at Gesu and actually had our Rehearsal Dinner at Turners. You get away from Milwaukee and Fish Fry's are non-existent.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 01:07:35 AM
What is AJ Bombers?

http://ajbombers.com/

ya gotta try the barrie burger.  a peanut butter bacon cheeseburger.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 01:11:33 AM
ajbombers.com

ya gotta try the barrie burger.  a peanut butter bacon cheeseburger.


Good lord! Burger Porn!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Small Orange Soda on March 28, 2012, 01:12:08 AM
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?

This cracked me up.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 01:15:24 AM
Good lord! Burger Porn!

You'd feel right at home.  They have cables stretched from the bar to the booths.  Every now and then they launch a bomber toward one of the booths.  When it hits the wall it releases its payload and bombs the booth with peanuts.
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 01:17:33 AM
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?

The Nightmare, one of my favorite posters, tells it like it is. I really wish Chicos would come clean. He must take us for fools. Really.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 01:18:58 AM
You'd feel right at home.  They have cables stretched from the bar to the booths.  Every now and then they launch a bomber toward one of the booths.  When it hits the wall it releases its payload and bombs the booth with peanuts.

I saw that in the video. Hilarious. Of course, flying into a wall is not something a pilot like to think about...
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 01:23:01 AM
Time to shut er down for the night (morning?)  Hope to see this post get over 100 pages tomorrow.  There must be some world problem we haven't solved yet.  Night all!
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: NersEllenson on March 28, 2012, 01:39:46 AM
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?

I look forward to the explanation from Hoopaloop on what you've pointed out.  This ought to really put his multiple personality disorder to the test.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: GOO on March 28, 2012, 03:54:46 AM
For those who read the SMU boards:  who are they trying to hire now? 
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 28, 2012, 05:46:37 AM
Yeah, looked like pretty fresh bite marks on the tail.   Were you in Bottleneck Bay?

Canoe Narrows
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: GGGG on March 28, 2012, 06:14:29 AM
Based on the 90+ pages I'm going to say both of them need to work on trusting each other.  Trustis the "it".


Yeah, just their relationship in general
Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 28, 2012, 06:30:03 AM
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3KskO3_2YQ
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 28, 2012, 06:43:00 AM
One of these cats will be history, sooner than later.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MileHigh on March 28, 2012, 07:01:22 AM
BUMP
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 28, 2012, 07:25:31 AM
BUMP

Not empty quoting
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 28, 2012, 07:51:37 AM
All this hamburger talk is keeping me hungry.  On the flip side, I'm patiently waiting for a Chik-A-Fila to open in New England.  I think the closest one might be in like Maryland?!?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUMac on March 28, 2012, 07:52:29 AM
From where I sat, he fanned a fire that didn't need fanning to drive traffic to his new website.

Where do you sit?  A place of ignorance, I assume.  He posted a fact, he did not fan a fire that didn't need fanning.  Buzz was given permission to talk to SMU, Buzz was listening and Buzz was considering.  Others here with inside information have concurred that.  

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 07:58:58 AM
IWB did not fan a fire. Have said it a ton but I really do want to hear both good and bad about the program. Wish everything was a positive and unfortunately not reality. He posted a real story and it actually was a positive for me. I think it was very cool how people supported Buzz and let it be known. Too often things go on without most knowing the facts and that sucks.

I do hope IWB does not have any additional bombshells though. The last few days were stressful and I am tired. Really hoping that this ends up being a long term positive for the program. Maybe a somewhat public fight, disagreement or whatever you want to call it made the two sides realize they need each other. Buzz is the face of the school and I feel comfortable with that.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUMac on March 28, 2012, 08:00:20 AM

Yeah, just their relationship in general

Let's not forget, LW was brought in here in December.  The Basketball season was in progress and starting to heat up.  Two months later, there is the bar incident.  They never had a real opportunity to work on that relationship.

I don't presume that because they are having struggles right now that that will continue.  Give each a time to decompress and there is plenty of opportunity to have a long and wonderful working relationship.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 28, 2012, 08:05:30 AM
All this hamburger talk is keeping me hungry.  On the flip side, I'm patiently waiting for a Chik-A-Fila to open in New England.  I think the closest one might be in like Maryland?!?

Drive down there. Maybe they'll use you in a commercial....
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 28, 2012, 08:07:32 AM
I'm only counting on Buzz being here for one or two more years at a maximum.  Anything over that is gravy.

The good news, in my opinion, is that I think one or two more years will be enough for the program to continue its leap.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: chapman on March 28, 2012, 08:09:10 AM
All this hamburger talk is keeping me hungry.  On the flip side, I'm patiently waiting for a Chik-A-Fila to open in New England.  I think the closest one might be in like Maryland?!?

Nah, I've eaten at some in NJ.

http://chick-fil-a.com/Locations/Locator

Two in MA would be the closest for you!

Pleased to say there are 27 locations within a 20 mile radius of me.  However, in the south the drive-thru line tends to wrap around the entire building during peak hours.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 08:12:08 AM
I'm only counting on Buzz being here for one or two more years at a maximum.  Anything over that is gravy.

The good news, in my opinion, is that I think one or two more years will be enough for the program to continue its leap.

That's a very Mayan like prediction when you consider MU hoops cannot exist without Buzz Williams... at least according to some.


Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 28, 2012, 08:17:42 AM
I'm only counting on Buzz being here for one or two more years at a maximum.  Anything over that is gravy.

The good news, in my opinion, is that I think one or two more years will be enough for the program to continue its leap.

It's all in how/why he leaves, though.    If he leaves for one of the top 5-10 programs, we can recover with a new coach.

If he leaves over some perceived power struggle to a conference-basement program, scaring away all other major coaches .. not so much.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 08:21:08 AM
From where I sat, he fanned a fire that didn't need fanning to drive traffic to his new website.

Agreed 100%. IWB is a wannabe player in the AAU/Recruiting world. He's made some less than perfect decisions with his online choices. He threw some junk out there hoping it would stick.

When you boil the issue with LW and Buzz all down, it was a contentious talk between two executives about the future of the company. Goes on all the time.

Successful people are often intense and strong willed. It's gonna happen.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 08:21:17 AM
It's all in how/why he leaves, though.    If he leaves for one of the top 5-10 programs, we can recover with a new coach.

If he leaves over some perceived power struggle to a conference-basement program, scaring away all other major coaches .. not so much.

I WANT to agree with you.

However, in the past few days, I've realized it doesn't matter how Buzz leaves. MU will be at fault, and the program will go back to the stone ages.

At least according to the internets.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 08:25:07 AM
2002
Yes the program could exist without Buzz. The Packers existed after Vince left but a pretty sorry period in team history until arrival of Brett Favre. I think many of us older posters hold the standard of the program at bar set by Al. I believe we are inches away from being at a higher level in college basketball and really would hate to roll the dice on losing Buzz, especially to an inferior program.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 28, 2012, 08:25:26 AM
about 50 posts to go to break the baseball pissing match thread (2402).  Everyone catch their breath for the stretch run.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 28, 2012, 08:29:57 AM
I WANT to agree with you.

However, in the past few days, I've realized it doesn't matter how Buzz leaves. MU will be at fault, and the program will go back to the stone ages.

Where I heard this before ... let's think.  

Oh yes, April 2008 when Crean left and we only interviewed an assistant down the bench.  All we knew about him was he had a losing record at New Orleans and quit that job.  We are on our way to becoming SLU then too.

Buzz won't mess with happy.  Ask him in 365 days if he is happy and you'll get your answer.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUMac on March 28, 2012, 08:32:28 AM
Agreed 100%. IWB is a wannabe player in the AAU/Recruiting world. He's made some less than perfect decisions with his online choices. He threw some junk out there hoping it would stick.

When you boil the issue with LW and Buzz all down, it was a contentious talk between two executives about the future of the company. Goes on all the time.

Successful people are often intense and strong willed. It's gonna happen.
What "junk" did he throw out there?  He said SMU asked to speak with Buzz and MU gave them permission.  He said this is about relationships and it was.  What "junk" did he throw?  Did you throw any "junk" in this thread?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 08:35:18 AM
2002
Yes the program could exist without Buzz. The Packers existed after Vince left but a pretty sorry period in team history until arrival of Brett Favre. I think many of us older posters hold the standard of the program at bar set by Al. I believe we are inches away from being at a higher level in college basketball and really would hate to roll the dice on losing Buzz, especially to an inferior program.

I like Buzz a lot, and I'm in love with the projected roster in 2013 (could be a top 5 team).

Losing him would be bad. Very bad. Very, very bad.

But, I feel like some people here are worshiping at the altar "St. Buzz" a little too much.

The guy is not bigger than MU, the guy needs to be accountable to his superiors.

I'm not implying that I know anything specific, I just don't think a coach should be empowered to do whatever he wants like some around here imply.

The front of the jersey says "Marquette".
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: hairy worthen on March 28, 2012, 08:35:51 AM

When you boil the issue with LW and Buzz all down, it was a contentious talk between two executives about the future of the company. Goes on all the time.

Successful people are often intense and strong willed. It's gonna happen.

And, it is not necessarily a bad thing. It could make the relationship stronger if the air was cleared, misunderstandings repaired, they know where the other one stands and they are on the same page going forward.

It could also go the other way.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: hairy worthen on March 28, 2012, 08:37:55 AM
I like Buzz a lot, and I'm in love with the projected roster in 2013 (could be a top 5 team).

Losing him would be bad. Very bad. Very, very bad.

But, I feel like some people here are worshiping at the altar "St. Buzz" a little too much.

The guy is not bigger than MU, the guy needs to be accountable to his superiors.

I'm not implying that I know anything specific, I just don't think a coach should be empowered to do whatever he wants like some around here imply.

The front of the jersey says "Marquette".

You would think the packer fans among us would have learned that lesson from the Farve fiasco.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 28, 2012, 08:40:08 AM
It's all in how/why he leaves, though.    If he leaves for one of the top 5-10 programs, we can recover with a new coach.

If he leaves over some perceived power struggle to a conference-basement program, scaring away all other major coaches .. not so much.

I guess it depends on the nature of the power struggle.  If he leaves in that situation, but it comes out later that Buzz was responsible for a lawless atmosphere <cough Ben Howland UCLA>, then he looks just as bad.  Nobody looks good in that situation.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Rubie Q on March 28, 2012, 08:43:47 AM
What "junk" did he throw out there?  He said SMU asked to speak with Buzz and MU gave them permission.  He said this is about relationships and it was.  What "junk" did he throw?  Did you throw any "junk" in this thread?

The "junk" he threw out there was saying: "Could Buzz to SMU actually happen? YES." Every other writer in the know saw it for the nonsense it was.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 08:44:01 AM
I guess it depends on the nature of the power struggle.  If he leaves in that situation, but it comes out later that Buzz was responsible for a lawless atmosphere <cough Ben Howland UCLA>, then he looks just as bad.  Nobody looks good in that situation.

I'm afraid some people will never believe that, just like some people still think JoePa is a hero and Penn State screwed him.

unnatural carnal knowledge. I need to get out of these threads. I'm starting to sound like wet blanket.

I hope Buzz and the projected roster are here in 2013. That will be a awesome year.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 08:46:21 AM
2002
Of course the jersey says Marquette on the front of it and thankfully Buzz has build a team and recruited players that millions of people saw those jerseys this year. I am all about winning and if MU has a bigger, better plan I would support that. I support Buzz because at this team in our history I believe he is the best option we have to get to FF.  
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 08:55:23 AM
2002
Of course the jersey says Marquette on the front of it and thankfully Buzz has build a team and recruited players that millions of people saw those jerseys this year. I am all about winning and if MU has a bigger, better plan I would support that. I support Buzz because at this team in our history I believe he is the best option we have to get to FF.  

I agree with that and support him as well. Love what he has done. Like his style, like his players.

I'm just surprised at the amount if vilification of the MU Admin., and subsequent doomsday predictions by people around here.

I don't know Pilarz or Larry Williams, but my bet is they aren't:
A. Stupid
B. Evil
C. Incapable because he (larry) went to Notre Dame
D. Ready to make MU like SLU
E. Wanting more "notre dame" or "northwestern" type of players

All of these things have been stated/implied by posters here. That's nonsense.

The MU administration has made a HUGE commitment to basketball the past 10 years and has shown that it is committed towards the future as well (Buzz's big contract last year). The president is new, the AD is new. That doesn't mean MU is suddenly going to take a left turn and become Loyola. Calm. Down.

If you want to see an admin. that doesn't "get it", look at DePaul.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 28, 2012, 08:56:43 AM
Okay, so now what do we do to get the basketball luncheon in Chicago going again?  Perhaps those in the know can tell me why it stopped in the first place. 
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 28, 2012, 08:57:29 AM
I guess it depends on the nature of the power struggle.  If he leaves in that situation, but it comes out later that Buzz was responsible for a lawless atmosphere <cough Ben Howland UCLA>, then he looks just as bad.  Nobody looks good in that situation.

I would agree.  Except Buzz isn't running a lawless program.  He's running a program, with a strict regimen, strict scheduling, focusing on character.  

That some teenage men stray from that regimen is a given in all athletic programs, and should be understood, when the staff is honestly trying.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 28, 2012, 08:58:07 AM
I agree with that and support him as well. Love what he has done. Like his style, like his players.

I'm just surprised at the amount if vilification of the MU Admin., and subsequent doomsday predictions by people around here.

I don't know Pilarz or Larry Williams, but my bet is they aren't:
A. Stupid
B. Evil
C. Incapable because he (larry) went to Notre Dame
D. Ready to make MU like SLU
E. Wanting more "notre dame" or "northwestern" type of players

All of these things have been stated/implied by posters here. That's nonsense.

The MU administration has made a HUGE commitment to basketball the past 10 years and has shown that it is committed towards the future as well (Buzz's big contract last year). The president is new, the AD is new. That doesn't mean MU is suddenly going to take a left turn and become Loyola. Calm. Down.

If you want to see an admin. that doesn't "get it", look at DePaul.

Whenever I read 2002MUalum's posts, I picture them being said by a mustachioed Ryan Amoroso. Whether I agree with what he says or not (usually agree), it definitely makes them a much more enjoyable read.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Benny B on March 28, 2012, 08:59:45 AM
The "junk" he threw out there was saying: "Could Buzz to SMU actually happen? YES." Every other writer in the know saw it for the nonsense it was.

Didn't he also say something along the lines of "More than just a rumor... get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans"????  If that isn't throwing a gas can into a bonfire, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 09:00:54 AM
Whenever I read 2002MUalum's posts, I picture them being said by a mustachioed Ryan Amoroso. Whether I agree with what he says or not (usually agree), it definitely makes them a much more enjoyable read.


I'm not him, but he sits next to me and proofs my posts.

We have a piano bench instead of a desk chair.

/oops, forgot a period
//thanks ammo
///fist-bump with explosion
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 09:02:59 AM
2002
I still not understand why you believe you know the direction of the program better than everyone else. many of the comments were mentioned by me and that is my opinion, based off intelligent conversations I respect. I would think many people would be satisified with a SLU type program. They made NCAA and have respected coach not making a ton of money. Would also think many would be happy recruiting ND type players. Not sure why those are major negatives?

If MU decided the program was too big for it's own good who could argue that? My point was if that is the decision (my fear) we as fans deserved to know that. I would support the program regardless. I know ZERO about either LW or Fr. because I have not met them personally. I do know we are on the verge of being special program.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 09:13:46 AM
2002
I still not understand why you believe you know the direction of the program better than everyone else. many of the comments were mentioned by me and that is my opinion, based off intelligent conversations I respect. I would think many people would be satisified with a SLU type program. They made NCAA and have respected coach not making a ton of money. Would also think many would be happy recruiting ND type players. Not sure why those are major negatives?

If MU decided the program was too big for it's own good who could argue that? My point was if that is the decision (my fear) we as fans deserved to know that. I would support the program regardless. I know ZERO about either LW or Fr. because I have not met them personally. I do know we are on the verge of being special program.

A "SLU" type program and "ND" or "Northwestern" players were all refereed to pejoratively in this thread, so I don't think anybody would be "happy" with that.

I know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the future of the program. NONE. NADA. ZIP. I have no sources.

What I DO KNOW, is everything MU has done correctly in the past 10-15 years to get the program to this level. A LOT of that has to do with Coach Crean and Coach Buzz. Big props.

I have a hard time believing MU is ready to hit the self destruct button and send it's athletics program back to where it was in 1996 as some here have implied.

Nothing MU has done (including adding Lacrosse) leads me to this conclusion.

That is all I know. You might have awesome sources, and I might be an pretty boy at a keyboard. 

/fist-bump Ammo.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 09:15:11 AM
What "junk" did he throw out there?  He said SMU asked to speak with Buzz and MU gave them permission.  He said this is about relationships and it was.  What "junk" did he throw?  Did you throw any "junk" in this thread?

Please go back and look at my posts in this thread. I posted what I knew and also what I thought. Let me know how, in the end, I was wrong.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 09:18:22 AM
2002
I do not think you are anything other than a great fan. Every post I made you attacked because you did not like the content, yet you feel your opinion is correct. Truthfully your support is awesome and on par with all the fans. My posts were made both out of info shared with me and my opinion. Do not believe that admin sat around and said "lets be SLU" at anytime. Just know it is far easier to become SLU than it is to become Michigan State or UNC.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MDMU04 on March 28, 2012, 09:21:22 AM
Fighting amongst each other over "sources" and inane details about what was said and what was inferred about what was said.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming...
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 09:27:46 AM
2002
I do not think you are anything other than a great fan. Every post I made you attacked because you did not like the content, yet you feel your opinion is correct. Truthfully your support is awesome and on par with all the fans. My posts were made both out of info shared with me and my opinion. Do not believe that admin sat around and said "lets be SLU" at anytime. Just know it is far easier to become SLU than it is to become Michigan State or UNC.

I "attacked" the content because what you are saying doesn't match what we have seen, and what we know. It doesn't jive.

You might be a visionary, and I might have my head in the sand. I'm not afraid admit that, and my face can be rubbed in it later if you are right. I'll deserve it.

I know how easily and quickly a program can fall. Losing a top-notch coach would be BAD. VERY BAD. But again, MU has done some things right over the past 15 years, so I'm not ready to demonize the administration like some people already have.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 09:29:20 AM
Fighting amongst each other over "sources" and inane details about what was said and what was inferred about what was said.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming...

gotta get to 100, yo.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2012, 09:29:36 AM
about 50 posts to go to break the baseball pissing match thread (2402).  Everyone catch their breath for the stretch run.
It all feels so empty now.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 09:30:18 AM
Didn't he also say something along the lines of "More than just a rumor... get ready for a bumpy ride Marquette fans"????  If that isn't throwing a gas can into a bonfire, I don't know what is.

IWB has been right (and wrong) in the past. But it's worth noting in this particular situation, he was the only on-the-record source out there claiming Buzz had permission to talk with SMU, and was the only on-the-record source out there claiming Buzz seriously was considering a move.
He may have been right. He may not have been. But the fact that others out there with reasonable access to both programs (Katz, Davis, Goodman) quickly dismissed any Buzz to SMU talk as "wishful thinking" and the like at the very least calls into question IWB's information.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 09:32:09 AM
2002
Trust me I was 100% correct on friction between admin and Buzz. If that still is in question you do have your head in the sand. Again if you read your post you are stating your opinion trumps what I know. Seriously do not care...glad we can talk about recruiting even better players down the road.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2012, 09:34:29 AM
I like Buzz a lot, and I'm in love with the projected roster in 2013 (could be a top 5 team).

Losing him would be bad. Very bad. Very, very bad.

But, I feel like some people here are worshiping at the altar "St. Buzz" a little too much.

The guy is not bigger than MU, the guy needs to be accountable to his superiors.

I'm not implying that I know anything specific, I just don't think a coach should be empowered to do whatever he wants like some around here imply.

The front of the jersey says "Marquette".
If you recall, earlier in the thread SMU had agreed to change their jerseys to say "BUZZ" on the front.  Since the thread doesn't lie, the least we could do is put a "BUZZ" patch on ours.  Then again, that would be counter-intuitive to the message in your post.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 28, 2012, 09:35:04 AM
IWB has been right (and wrong) in the past. But it's worth noting in this particular situation, he was the only on-the-record source out there claiming Buzz had permission to talk with SMU, and was the only on-the-record source out there claiming Buzz seriously was considering a move.
He may have been right. He may not have been. But the fact that others out there with reasonable access to both programs (Katz, Davis, Goodman) quickly dismissed any Buzz to SMU talk as "wishful thinking" and the like at the very least calls into question IWB's information.

It was a no-lose situation for IWB. If by some odd chance, Buzz did actually bolt for SMU, IWB would be able to proclaim that he had the scoop first (albeit in somewhat vague terms) and he looks like he has some reliable sources. Now that Buzz is staying, he can claim that there was a lot going on behind the scenes and Buzz leaving was MUCH closer than most fans realize.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 09:37:04 AM
I "attacked" the content because what you are saying doesn't match what we have seen, and what we know. It doesn't jive.

You might be a visionary, and I might have my head in the sand. I'm not afraid admit that, and my face can be rubbed in it later if you are right. I'll deserve it.

I know how easily and quickly a program can fall. Losing a top-notch coach would be BAD. VERY BAD. But again, MU has done some things right over the past 15 years, so I'm not ready to demonize the administration like some people already have.

+1,000,000
Nothing MU has done over the past decade indicates that the powers that be don't appreciate and understand the significance of the basketball program to the overall well being of the university, nor has any administration - including the current one - given any indication they want to somehow diminish the program.
Likewise, it makes no sense - given their respective backgrounds - to believe Pilarz and L. Williams don't understand or appreciate the importance of high-profile athletics. to the contrary, they've both seen firsthand - and have benefited from - how a strong athletics program can boost the profile of an entire university.

I have no inside sources in this matter, and won't pretend (like others) to know the source of contention between the two Williams (or whether there even is contention). But I do know enough to recognize that claims the university is eager to weaken its greatest marketing tool don't pass the smell test.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 09:39:40 AM
Pakuni
It was not a Williams vs. Williams issue for 100 time. LW came on along after the friction began. Again, of course they would not want to lose best marketing tool they have...but sometimes crap happens!!!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2012, 09:39:51 AM
I "attacked" the content because what you are saying doesn't match what we have seen, and what we know. It doesn't jive.

You might be a visionary, and I might have my head in the sand. I'm not afraid admit that, and my face can be rubbed in it later if you are right. I'll deserve it.

I know how easily and quickly a program can fall. Losing a top-notch coach would be BAD. VERY BAD. But again, MU has done some things right over the past 15 years, so I'm not ready to demonize the administration like some people already have.
Ammo on a piss break or something?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUMac on March 28, 2012, 09:40:19 AM
The "junk" he threw out there was saying: "Could Buzz to SMU actually happen? YES." Every other writer in the know saw it for the nonsense it was.

Sorry, but that wasn't junk.  Buzz did seriously consider it.  Chose MU in the end, but that does not change that he did consider it.  

Try again.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 09:42:59 AM
Pakuni
It was not a Williams vs. Williams issue for 100 time. LW came on along after the friction began. Again, of course they would not want to lose best marketing tool they have...but sometimes crap happens!!!

Goose .... you've gone from claiming that the administration was very intentionally trying to scale back the basketball program to a St. Louis-like level (which, despite your recent praise, you used pejoratively) to "sometimes crap happens."
Which is it? Either they want to diminish the program or they don't.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUMac on March 28, 2012, 09:43:08 AM
Please go back and look at my posts in this thread. I posted what I knew and also what I thought. Let me know how, in the end, I was wrong.

As did IWB.  That was my point.  Yet, you chose to blast him.  And that is after you chastised people for blasting you on the DePaul thread.  I just don't get that.  To each their own, I guess.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 09:43:42 AM
Sorry, but that wasn't junk.  Buzz did seriously consider it.  Chose MU in the end, but that does not change that he did consider it.  

Try again.

Buzz did not "seriously" consider it. He used SMU for leverage. I've done the same thing.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUMac on March 28, 2012, 09:44:34 AM
IWB has been right (and wrong) in the past. But it's worth noting in this particular situation, he was the only on-the-record source out there claiming Buzz had permission to talk with SMU, and was the only on-the-record source out there claiming Buzz seriously was considering a move.
He may have been right. He may not have been. But the fact that others out there with reasonable access to both programs (Katz, Davis, Goodman) quickly dismissed any Buzz to SMU talk as "wishful thinking" and the like at the very least calls into question IWB's information.

Who do you think his source was?  That is the answer as to why he had the information that others did not.   ;)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUMac on March 28, 2012, 09:45:56 AM
Buzz did not "seriously" consider it. He used SMU for leverage. I've done the same thing.
So says you.  Frankly, I do not believe you.  I guess that is junk from you then, right?

What "leverage" did Buzz get out of this? 
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 28, 2012, 09:46:31 AM
Pakuni
It was not a Williams vs. Williams issue for 100 time. LW came on along after the friction began. Again, of course they would not want to lose best marketing tool they have...but sometimes crap happens!!!

But crap is not happening, Buzz is staying.  No one knows what the BW v LW relationship will be in a year, let alone next month.  BW and LW do not know!

Let us know what its like at the end of the summer.  I could be much better or much worse and what happened this week will might have little to do with how it evolves.

If BW wants to stay, he will forge a working relationship with LW.  If he does not want to stay, nothing that LW will do, can do, has done, will change that.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 28, 2012, 09:47:40 AM
Buzz did not "seriously" consider it. He used SMU for leverage. I've done the same thing.

You were in the running for the SMU job?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 09:50:08 AM
2002
Trust me I was 100% correct on friction between admin and Buzz. If that still is in question you do have your head in the sand. Again if you read your post you are stating your opinion trumps what I know. Seriously do not care...glad we can talk about recruiting even better players down the road.

I'm using the facts that I know, based upon MU's track record the past 10 years.  
- Coaches salary
- athletic facilities
- private charters
- attendance way up
- commitment to an additional sport
- Coaching upgrades for men's soccer and women's volleyball
- high donations/ticket revenue
- President and AD from private schools that use sports to create revenue/marketing

These are all facts from the past 10 years of basketball nirvana.

You could be entirely correct that MU wants to dial back athletics. You could have a source that knows everything I don't. I fully admit that. I Have NO IDEA. You could be Fr. Pilarz for all I know.

I'm not dismissing what you are saying just because I don't like it. What you are saying just doesn't "fit" with what we (the general public) have seen over the past 10 years.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 09:51:06 AM
Who do you think his source was?  That is the answer as to why he had the information that others did not.   ;)

Are you sugesting Buzz was his source?
If Buzz wanted to use the SMU interest to gain leverage - and it's pretty apparent that was the case - I'm pretty sure he could have taken it to an outlet with far greater reach and impact than IWB's blog.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 09:52:06 AM
2002
I am NOT saying they wanted to scale back based on facts...that is opinion. This is fact...if Buzz was allowed to go to SMU it would have scaled because of bthe stupidity of nudging him out.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUMac on March 28, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
Are you sugesting Buzz was his source?
If Buzz wanted to use the SMU interest to gain leverage - and it's pretty apparent that was the case - I'm pretty sure he could have taken it to an outlet with far greater reach and impact than IWB's blog.

Who said Buzz was using IWB to get information out there?  I never did.  Buzz could have also used Illinois as leverage, but did not.  Why is that?  Hmmmmm ... maybe because he did not seriously consider that?  Nah, that can't be.

O k, what leverage did Buzz gain in this?  Don't give me supposition, give me facts.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 09:55:30 AM
2002
I am NOT saying they wanted to scale back based on facts...that is opinion. This is fact...if Buzz was allowed to go to SMU it would have scaled because of bthe stupidity of nudging him out.

Fair enough. I guess that's where we will agree to disagree.

MU isn't DUKE, but I don't think Buzz leaving would set the school back to 1996. That is clearly my own opinion, so I guess we can leave it at that.

On the plus side, I love MU hoops, and I love that Buzz is staying.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 09:57:32 AM
2002
Agreed on Buzz and MU ball.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Rubie Q on March 28, 2012, 09:58:07 AM
Are you sugesting Buzz was his source?
If Buzz wanted to use the SMU interest to gain leverage - and it's pretty apparent that was the case - I'm pretty sure he could have taken it to an outlet with far greater reach and impact than IWB's blog.

Except Buzz knows no one else would run with it, because Goodman, Katz, Davis, et al, knew there was no way he was seriously considering taking that job.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 09:58:24 AM
O k, what leverage did Buzz gain in this?  Don't give me supposition, give me facts.

Seriously?
It caused a huge tempest among the people who care about MU basketball, leading them to flood administrators' phone lines and email inboxes with (I'm sure all reasonable and well written) demands that they do whatever necessary to keep Buzz happy and in Milwaukee. So much so the university felt compelled to make a statement, something that never happened regarding any other ride on the coaching carousel (during the Crean years or last year).
You don't think that's leverage? You don't think Buzz Williams is more powerfully positioned today than he was a month ago?

But since you're demanding facts, how about you give some.
Who was IWB's source? How do you know this? How, and from whom, are you aware that Buzz seriously considered an SMU offer? What was the offer?
Don't give me supposition. Give me facts.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 10:00:51 AM
Who said Buzz was using IWB to get information out there?  I never did.  Buzz could have also used Illinois as leverage, but did not.  Why is that?  Hmmmmm ... maybe because he did not seriously consider that?  Nah, that can't be.

Because Buzz is/was far, far down Illinois' wish list.
Hard to gain leverage from a non-existent job offer.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 10:01:38 AM
Ammo on a piss break or something?

He was doing curls in the corner.

/flex-off with ammo
//lose again
///damn
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUMac on March 28, 2012, 10:03:47 AM
Because Buzz is/was far, far down Illinois' wish list.
Hard to gain leverage from a non-existent job offer.

So you know that if Buzz showed interest that Illinois would not?  I just don't buy the cr@p your selling today. 

Anyway, this thread has wasted too much of my life.  You will never see another persons point of view, so have at the last response, this thread is done to me.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: lurch91 on March 28, 2012, 10:06:32 AM
Anyway, this thread has wasted too much of my life.  You will never see another persons point of view, so have at the last response, this thread is done to me.

NOOOOO, don't hate the thread, hate the game!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 🏀 on March 28, 2012, 10:08:17 AM
He was doing curls in the corner.

/flex-off with ammo
//lose again
///damn

Hard to beat a professional 'roider.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 28, 2012, 10:10:05 AM
2400
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 10:11:37 AM
So you know that if Buzz showed interest that Illinois would not?  I just don't buy the cr@p your selling today. 

Anyway, this thread has wasted too much of my life.  You will never see another persons point of view, so have at the last response, this thread is done to me.

I know that Illinois had a list of top tier candidates, and Buzz Williams was not on it.
I very much doubt that whether or not Buzz showed interest had any effect on the list and his standing on it. Given that all the names at the top of that list turned down the Illini (some publicly, some not), I feel comfortable believing Illinois did not generate its list on the basis of who they believed was most interested.
Unlike MU, I do have some pretty credible sources about the U of I job, and they tell me Buzz has never been high on their list. Take it fwiw.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2012, 10:14:09 AM
Post to Tie!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors10 on March 28, 2012, 10:14:24 AM
Win.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: T-Bone on March 28, 2012, 10:15:05 AM
2404

LOCK IT.  CLOSE IT.  Let the next generation see the wisdom of their forefathers when they open this thread 50 years from now.

Damnit!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: LON on March 28, 2012, 10:20:47 AM
Hey y'all I'm here for the gang bang!

/looks around
//realizes it's only doods
///farts in Ammo's face and runs away
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2012, 10:22:41 AM
Hey y'all I'm here for the gang bang!

/looks around
//realizes it's only doods
///farts in Ammo's face and runs away
Three chicks were outed in this thread.  Nobody asked for pictures of their lady bits because apparently we're all perfect gentlemen.  It's all in there.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 28, 2012, 10:27:37 AM


I'm just surprised at the amount if vilification of the MU Admin., and subsequent doomsday predictions by people around here.

I don't know Pilarz or Larry Williams, but my bet is they aren't:
A. Stupid
B. Evil
C. Incapable because he (larry) went to Notre Dame
D. Ready to make MU like SLU
E. Wanting more "notre dame" or "northwestern" type of players



If you want to see an admin. that doesn't "get it", look at DePaul.

I certainly don't think that Fr Pilarz and Larry Williams are stupid or evil. "C" is, to me, ridiculous, and I think (hope?) that D and E are not part of their vision.

I won't comment on Pilarz becase I don't know what his input is in all of this. As for Larry Williams, here's my take: He inherited a very successful situation, including one of the best and most coveted head coaches in the profession to lead the flagship program in the athletic department. The coach was happy and felt a mutual sense of trust and loyalty existed between him and the administration. In three short months the trust is gone and the loyalty is in question. Instead of taking it slow and building a relationship with unarguably Marquette's most important employee, Larry has acted like a bull in a china shop, publicly stating that HE will make Buzz a better coach, reprmanding him for his WV 2 step (after Buzz had already apologized) and musing on whether Buzz's too tight tie might make his head blow up. God knows what he said to Buzz in private.  So, he has been (publicly) boastful, arrogant and unprepared/unprofessional (see his speech in which he mangled many important donors names and laughed about it). I agree that Larry isn't stupid or evil, but guess what? Neither are the people running things at DePaul and that hasn't stopped them from screwing things up royally. That's the course Larry's on now. Hopefully that will change.



Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: LON on March 28, 2012, 10:28:09 AM
Three chicks were outed in this thread.  Nobody asked for pictures of their lady bits because apparently we're all perfect gentlemen.  It's all in there.

I was lurking last night, this thread was too funny not to see it through.  I thought Ska said to PM her for pics...I did not, because I am a perfect gentleman.  And my friends call me Adonis, because I'm so good looking.

/scratches balls
//spits
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 28, 2012, 10:34:49 AM
Ha!  None of the men offered to actually DO anything like organize the bake sale - just typical!
Proud to be part of history.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Aughnanure on March 28, 2012, 10:49:03 AM
Jesus! Almost 2,000 more replies then next highest 'Al' thread.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Benny B on March 28, 2012, 10:59:55 AM
Three chicks were outed in this thread.  Nobody asked for pictures of their lady bits because apparently we're all perfect gentlemen.  It's all in there.

In over 2400 replies, that has to be the funniest thing anyone has said yet.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors10 on March 28, 2012, 11:02:39 AM
Rumor:  Larry Brown wants the SMU job.

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/hall-of-fame-coach-wants-to-get-back-int.html (http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/hall-of-fame-coach-wants-to-get-back-int.html)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 11:03:34 AM
You were in the running for the SMU job?


No. I meant I've used other job offers as leverage against my current job.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 11:05:50 AM
So says you.  Frankly, I do not believe you.  I guess that is junk from you then, right?

What "leverage" did Buzz get out of this? 

You don't believe me? Fine. But here are the facts: Buzz didn't leave. Buzz never received a formal offer from SMU. Buzz and Larry Williams issued a joint statement that they are looking forward to the future, not the past.

The leverage is that Buzz had, on the surface, other options than MU. I don't know why you need me to clarify that for you. It's pretty obvious to anyone.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on March 28, 2012, 11:13:37 AM
As for Larry Williams, here's my take: He inherited a very successful situation, including one of the best and most coveted head coaches in the profession to lead the flagship program in the athletic department. The coach was happy and felt a mutual sense of trust and loyalty existed between him and the administration. In three short months the trust is gone and the loyalty is in question. Instead of taking it slow and building a relationship with unarguably Marquette's most important employee, Larry has acted like a bull in a china shop, publicly stating that HE will make Buzz a better coach, reprmanding him for his WV 2 step (after Buzz had already apologized) and musing on whether Buzz's too tight tie might make his head blow up. God knows what he said to Buzz in private.  So, he has been (publicly) boastful, arrogant and unprepared/unprofessional (see his speech in which he mangled many important donors names and laughed about it). I agree that Larry isn't stupid or evil, but guess what? Neither are the people running things at DePaul and that hasn't stopped them from screwing things up royally. That's the course Larry's on now. Hopefully that will change.


So a lot of that stuff is bad - the jokes, mispronouncing the donor's names, etc. Can't be an AD and do that.

BUT I think you're making the mistake of looking at the situation as if LW came in in a vacuum. Things weren't kumbaya when LW walked in the door - that's why Cottingham was pushed out and LW showed up in the first place. He couldn't just come in and do his best Cottingham impression. He likely interviewed purely on the basis that he would turn things around.

Now we can all agree or disagree to varied levels as to whether there was anything to "turn around." Its not debatable that the on-court product was better than it had been in decades. But LW wasn't brought in as a AD to better the on-field products. He was brought in to make a PR nightmare go away. As such, he felt he had to come in like Scruff McGruff. Whether we think that's right, I can empathize with him inasmuch as thats what he was hired to do. If this blows up, I actually tend to go easy on LW. On one hand, Buzz has to recognize these realities (and its very possible he does). On the other, the Prez and BoT are as responsible for LW's public persona right now as he is.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2012, 11:25:12 AM
No. I meant I've used other job offers as leverage against my current job.
I think he knew what you meant.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 11:28:11 AM
I think he knew what you meant.

I know. I was just being a smart ass back.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 11:31:20 AM
I certainly don't think that Fr Pilarz and Larry Williams are stupid or evil. "C" is, to me, ridiculous, and I think (hope?) that D and E are not part of their vision.

I won't comment on Pilarz becase I don't know what his input is in all of this. As for Larry Williams, here's my take: He inherited a very successful situation, including one of the best and most coveted head coaches in the profession to lead the flagship program in the athletic department. The coach was happy and felt a mutual sense of trust and loyalty existed between him and the administration. In three short months the trust is gone and the loyalty is in question. Instead of taking it slow and building a relationship with unarguably Marquette's most important employee, Larry has acted like a bull in a china shop, publicly stating that HE will make Buzz a better coach, reprmanding him for his WV 2 step (after Buzz had already apologized) and musing on whether Buzz's too tight tie might make his head blow up. God knows what he said to Buzz in private.  So, he has been (publicly) boastful, arrogant and unprepared/unprofessional (see his speech in which he mangled many important donors names and laughed about it). I agree that Larry isn't stupid or evil, but guess what? Neither are the people running things at DePaul and that hasn't stopped them from screwing things up royally. That's the course Larry's on now. Hopefully that will change.

Entirely possible and I have no factual way of disputing what you have laid out.

I guess I hope/suspect:

#1 Larry is smarter than this. I don't know the man, but I hope MU went through an in-depth hiring process and found a good AD. That doesn't mean he hasn't made a mistake(s) though, or that there haven't been some growing pains.

#2 Buzz hasn't taken the media comments personally. I know Buzz is an emotional guy so he might... but Buzz lays some pretty interesting quotes on us when he talks about his "employees", so I hope he's not offended when Larry is honest about his coach. I think Larry's comments were accurate. Buzz loves his guys, and we know that. But, in his first few interviews we were all pretty surprised at the way he talked about them so honestly.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 11:45:07 AM
As did IWB.  That was my point.  Yet, you chose to blast him.  And that is after you chastised people for blasting you on the DePaul thread.  I just don't get that.  To each their own, I guess.

Who did I chastise? I explicitly said no apologies were necessary.

The only time I demanded an apology IT WAS IN TEAL.

The difference is when I post something I know I qualify it as such. If it is something I think or feel I also qualify it as such.

Did it ever dawn on you that I might know some things the average fan doesn't? Not trying to be obnoxious, just making the point that Im not some troll.

I'm starting to feel like Big Daddy did. I think I'm being helpful posting insights and then I have to deal with nonsense like this.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MarsupialMadness on March 28, 2012, 11:47:43 AM
Rumor:  Larry Brown wants the SMU job.

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/hall-of-fame-coach-wants-to-get-back-int.html (http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/hall-of-fame-coach-wants-to-get-back-int.html)

talk about an unexpected twist
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 11:59:25 AM
talk about an unexpected twist

SMU boosters are willing to pay Larry way more than the Social Security Administration can match, but both institutions will be better off after the buyout.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: KenoshaWarrior on March 28, 2012, 12:09:51 PM
Three chicks were outed in this thread.  Nobody asked for pictures of their lady bits because apparently we're all perfect gentlemen.  It's all in there.

Pics or GTFO

(I dont want to get banned so i did not use other word)
Title: Further review of the Larry Williams press release, further examination needed
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 28, 2012, 12:16:26 PM
Let’s psychoanalyze this press release for what it really is.  



To do this, we need the help of Geraldo Rivera and  Dr. Hasseldorf, author of "Hostage Terrorist, Terrorist Hostage: A Study in Duality."

Let us begin with the full text review of Athletic Director Larry Williams statement

“Coach Williams is a good man, great coach and I look forward to working with him in the coming years” Director of Athletics Larry Williams said.  “As we move forward, we want to make sure we stay focused on the rich history and core values that underpin this very unique program – among the elite in the nation – by continuing to emphasize our mission of remarkable success on the court and the classroom.”



Geraldo Rivera:  Dr. Hasselfdorf , on the surface, everything appears on the up and up.  Is there something more to this than meets the eye?  Shouldn't the Marquette faithful feel fantastic about this press statement?

Dr. Hasselfdorf:  Why, yes Mr. Rivera, there is much more that meets the eye.  We must go deeper into the analysis.  To get to the real meaning we must break this down piece by piece and examine every word

In the first part of the statement reads, "He is a good man, great coach"

Notice he said good man.  Why didn't he say he was a great man?  He’s only a good man, but a great coach?  Why not a great man and a good coach?  Or a great man and a great coach?  Why didn't he say the best coach since Al McGuire?  Or the best man since Gandhi?  Why good man and not goodwrench or goodbar?  Is this an unintentional misstep by AD Williams in the same way he butchers the names of top donors?  Or is there something more sinister going on.  A slap at Buzz Williams?

Geraldo Rivera:  I see.  I see.  What else can you tell us Dr. Hasselfdorf?

Dr. Hasselfdorf:   It is my opinion that Larry Williams and possibly Father Pilarz are suffering from Helsinki Syndrome.

Geraldo Rivera:  As in Helsinki, Sweden?

Dr. Hasselfdorf:    No.  Helsinki, Finland.  You see, their AD, Larry Williams, a Notre Dame graduate, is clearly out to destroy the Marquette program and wants to push Buzz Williams out of Marquette and into another program where he can recruit anyone he wishes without the university having any voice.  This is what Notre Dame graduates do.  The first hint of this diabolical scheme is based on his “good man, great coach” backhanded compliment toward your coach.  It is nothing more than that, a backhanded compliment.  Did I mention to you that he attended Notre Dame? Would you expect anything else?  He is likely a shadow agent brought in by a Georgetown man to destroy your program.

Now let’s look at the second part of the statement

"I look forward to working with him in the coming years"

Why did Mr. Williams say in the coming years?  Why didn't this graduate of Notre Dame say in the coming decades?  Why is AD Williams only giving Coach Williams a limited amount of years to be at Marquette in which to work with him?  It is because he is signaling to the Marquette faithful that he is unwilling to give Mr. Buzz decades in which to be the coach.  An outrageous slip-up that only my trained ear could catch.  He says he is looking forward to working with him.  He didn't say he appreciated working with him in the backward time they have shared together.  A clear trait of the Helsinki Syndrome.

Geraldo Rivera:  Well, ah, couldn’t coming years not also mean many many years, even decades?  Who says in the "coming decades" anyway?  That would presumptuous I would think and out of the realm of normal.

Dr. Hasselfdorf:    Listen, if I want your views on opening an empty Al Capone vault on national tv, I will ask for it.  Leave the psychoanalytic work of the destruction Mr. Williams is planning for his athletic department to me. If you still do not believe me, let us look at the last part of the statement for concrete evidence.

It reads "we stay focused on the rich history and core values that underpin this very unique program – among the elite in the nation – by continuing to emphasize our mission of remarkable success on the court and the classroom."

Did you see it?  Did you just see what he did?  Mr. Larry Williams, who went to Notre Dame for both undergraduate and law school, said a mouthful right there.  Let’s dissect

“we stay focused” -  Who is this we?  Larry Williams, you just got here. There is no we when it comes to you.  Your we we is in Portland and Notre Dame, not Milwaukee.  Do not forget that the non-Notre Dame graduating Williams put us on the map (not Al, or Hank, or Kevin, or Tommy).   Buzz put Marquette on the map. I read that on MU Scoop this is why I know. There is no we here.

“rich history” – A clear instance of transposition.  History rich, not rich history.  From what I understand, your AD Williams would like to take money away from Buzz and Marquette.  Doesn’t sound rich to me.  Sounds like rich is becoming history.

Geraldo Rivera:  Well, ah wasn't he talking about the history of the program?

Dr. Hasselfdorf:   "core values" – Isn’t Buzz Williams wife named Corey?  Core Values.  Corey Values?  What does Corey Value?  Don’t mess with Happy.  He could have said Essential Values and this would be a non-issue but he had to go there.  I think nothing more need to be said here.  Those Notre Dame bastards, subtle but bastards nonetheless.  Especially the bald ones.

Geraldo Rivera:  No.  Really?  Wait, what? I think you have it all wrong.  Dr. Hasselfdorf, Dr. Hasselfdorf….

Dr. Hasselfdorf:  "among the elite” – Among the elite?  Larry, MU isn’t Notre Dame.  MU strives to win games in the NCAA tournament.  MU is elite.  Among the elite screams Notre Dame basketball.  Past elite speaks Notre Dame football.  Never elite speaks of Wisconsin football.  Get with the program.

Geraldo Rivera:  OK. True.  Well stated.  I’m on board with that one.

Dr. Hasselfdorf:“mission of remarkable success on the court and the classroom” – Did you see that one?  Notice anything?  It’s very subtle.  Let’s read it one more time.  “mission of remarkable success on the court and the classroom”   Did you see it?  He didn’t say “in the classroom” he said “and the classroom”   Ah ha!   What does AD Williams mean here?  I think we all know what he meant here.

In my diagnosis, this is a classic case of Helsinki Syndrome

Geraldo Rivera:  Dr. Hasselfdorf you have made me a partial believer but others I am sure you have convinced in full.   It is clear to me now that Buzz Williams has had his balls squeezed mightily by Larry Williams and Father Pilarz and they are still out to bring down this Marquette program and Coach Williams, despite this charade of a press release.  This good man, great coach.  No, this great man, great coach should not be treated like this by his superiors.  Why else would Marquette hire an Athletic Director from Notre Dame but to have him come in and slowly deemphasize athletics, gut the budget and bring us to the land of SLU basketball?  This is always the best way for him to get that next gig, the AD job at Notre Dame.  It is also clear that the millions MU spends on their recruiting budget, their overall program budget and Buzz Williams salary are just a façade.  A clearer approach to success should be modeled after the Northwestern basketball program and to recruit only players that Northwestern also deems acceptable.  Beware the Trojan horsemen that are Pilarz and Williams (ND grad, not the Buzzard)

I would like to thank our guest, Dr. Hasselfdorf, author of "Hostage Terrorist, Terrorist Hostage: A Study in Duality” for his analysis today on the Marquette Basketball press release and the true meaning behind these words.  This story is sure to bubble up again as the ball squeezing begins again in earnest in the coming years.  God Save the Queen.

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 28, 2012, 12:18:17 PM
Entirely possible and I have no factual way of disputing what you have laid out.

I guess I hope/suspect:

#1 Larry is smarter than this. I don't know the man, but I hope MU went through an in-depth hiring process and found a good AD. That doesn't mean he hasn't made a mistake(s) though, or that there haven't been some growing pains.

#2 Buzz hasn't taken the media comments personally. I know Buzz is an emotional guy so he might... but Buzz lays some pretty interesting quotes on us when he talks about his "employees", so I hope he's not offended when Larry is honest about his coach. I think Larry's comments were accurate. Buzz loves his guys, and we know that. But, in his first few interviews we were all pretty surprised at the way he talked about them so honestly.

I share all of your hopes
Title: Re: Further review of the Larry Williams press release, further examination needed
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on March 28, 2012, 12:18:21 PM
This is going to go well.

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 28, 2012, 12:27:43 PM
Someone may have finally killed this thread.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 28, 2012, 12:29:51 PM
Someone may have finally killed this thread.


After 2.5 more pages maybe....
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 12:36:49 PM
Someone may have finally killed this thread.


This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into your eyes...again

Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need...of some...stranger's hand
In a...desperate land

Lost in a Roman...wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah

There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby

Ride the snake, ride the snake
To the lake, the ancient lake, baby
The snake is long, seven miles
Ride the snake...he's old, and his skin is cold

The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here, and we'll do the rest

The blue bus is callin' us
The blue bus is callin' us
Driver, where you taken' us

The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to...unnatural carnal knowledge you

C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
C'mon baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
On a blue bus
Doin' a blue rock
C'mon, yeah

Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die

This is the end
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors10 on March 28, 2012, 12:41:59 PM
Just short of 100.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MrSquido50 on March 28, 2012, 12:43:11 PM
Obviously I'm the kind of guy that doesn't post very often but wanted to at least get in on this before it shuts down.

First off, thank you for 'The Doors' reference.  Can NEVER have enough of those.

Also, the very best Supper Club in all of the Universe is Schwarz's in St Anna, WI.  Not even close.  Especially after a PAcker game. You're Welcome!

Title: Re: SMU Fans' Thread on Getting Buzz is Adorable
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 28, 2012, 12:44:46 PM
Now this doesn't really make a lot of sense. Did you get your identities mixed up again?

It makes perfect sense, they were the exact same event.  The one and ONLY time we have ever met.  Try to keep up.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 28, 2012, 12:46:07 PM
Did you write this "screenplay" yourself? You're a regular Woody Allen. Hoop, you may be a real riot at those aeronautical engineering reunions in West Lafayette but don't quit your day job. I read it twice looking for a hint of humor, but alas...bet Chicos liked it though.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 12:46:28 PM
Loved and hated being part of this thread. Loved the excitement factor Buzz has brought to us. My faith in Warrior Nation is at all time high. Do hope we all Dream Really Big for the program. We can win a NC at Marquette and hope we keep trying.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: AZWarrior on March 28, 2012, 12:50:09 PM

Also, the very best Supper Club in all of the Universe is Schwarz's in St Anna, WI.  Not even close.  Especially after a PAcker game. You're Welcome!


Having grown up in St. Ann / St. Anna / St. Anne, WI (no stop lights, population unknown - really,  but we still had three different spellings for the name of the town - go figure), I was tickled to see your reference.  How, pray tell, are you aware of Schwarz's?  Are you from "the Holy Land"?   :)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 28, 2012, 12:53:58 PM
Did you write this "screenplay" yourself? You're a regular Woody Allen. Hoop, you may be a real riot at those aeronautical engineering reunions in West Lafayette but don't quit your day job. I read it twice looking for a hint of humor, but alas...bet Chicos liked it though.

It's a reflection of some on this board and I used some direct lines\quotes of thinking here that had people's panties wadding at record rates.  I tried to pull in the most absurd.  Its funny to those that thought for the last few days how ridiculous the whole thing was and knew he wasn't going anywhere.  It is funny for those that read over and over again how some Notre Dame guy was out to destroy MU and people believed it.  

It probably hits a bit too close to home and isn't funny for those that didn't see the entire 72 hour episode for what it was and actually thought he was leaving.  The joke, therefore, is there and applies to those that really believed this stuff.  That is the humor.  Appreciated by some, not by others.  
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Sir Lawrence on March 28, 2012, 12:57:06 PM
Having grown up in St. Ann / St. Anna / St. Anne, WI (no stop lights, population unknown - really,  but we still had three different spellings for the name of the town - go figure), I was tickled to see your reference.  How, pray tell, are you aware of Schwarz's?  Are you from "the Holy Land"?   :)

Calvary, Mt. Calvary, Johnsburg, St. Cloud, Marytown.  Went to high school at St. Lawrence.  Did you hate us?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 28, 2012, 01:00:45 PM
It's a reflection of some on this board and I used some direct lines\quotes of thinking here that had people's panties wadding at record rates.  I tried to pull in the most absurd.  Its funny to those that thought for the last few days how ridiculous the whole thing was and knew he wasn't going anywhere.  It is funny for those that read over and over again how some Notre Dame guy was out to destroy MU and people believed it. 

It probably hits a bit too close to home and isn't funny for those that didn't see the entire 72 hour episode for what it was and actually thought he was leaving.  The joke, therefore, is there and applies to those that really believed this stuff.  That is the humor.  Appreciated by some, not by others. 

(http://i.imgur.com/I8CZK.gif)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 28, 2012, 01:07:05 PM
It's a reflection of some on this board and I used some direct lines\quotes of thinking here that had people's panties wadding at record rates.  I tried to pull in the most absurd.  Its funny to those that thought for the last few days how ridiculous the whole thing was and knew he wasn't going anywhere.  It is funny for those that read over and over again how some Notre Dame guy was out to destroy MU and people believed it.  

It probably hits a bit too close to home and isn't funny for those that didn't see the entire 72 hour episode for what it was and actually thought he was leaving.  The joke, therefore, is there and applies to those that really believed this stuff.  That is the humor.  Appreciated by some, not by others.  

No offense, but consider me "others."
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 28, 2012, 01:08:52 PM
It's a reflection of some on this board and I used some direct lines\quotes of thinking here that had people's panties wadding at record rates.  I tried to pull in the most absurd.  Its funny to those that thought for the last few days how ridiculous the whole thing was and knew he wasn't going anywhere.  It is funny for those that read over and over again how some Notre Dame guy was out to destroy MU and people believed it.  

It probably hits a bit too close to home and isn't funny for those that didn't see the entire 72 hour episode for what it was and actually thought he was leaving.  The joke, therefore, is there and applies to those that really believed this stuff.  That is the humor.  Appreciated by some, not by others.  

Sorry, Hoop. I have a sense of humor. No subject is off limits, and I am able to see humor even in points of view I find ill informed. Your "piece" is just really, really bad. Sorry to burst your bubble, but better to find out now rather than after you quit your job and moved the wife and kids to L.A. You'll thank me for this later.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MrSquido50 on March 28, 2012, 01:10:09 PM
Having grown up in St. Ann / St. Anna / St. Anne, WI (no stop lights, population unknown - really,  but we still had three different spellings for the name of the town - go figure), I was tickled to see your reference.  How, pray tell, are you aware of Schwarz's?  Are you from "the Holy Land"?   :)

I was born in the "Holy Land" in 1957 (Dad was in farming).  But moved to the big city in 1960 while grandpa still farmed in the area so visits were frequent.  Summer vacations spent often in the area so was a "must" to stop at Schwarz's after Packer games.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Aughnanure on March 28, 2012, 01:15:47 PM
Someone may have finally killed this thread.


(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/207/234/you-must-be-new-here-willy-wonka.jpg)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 🏀 on March 28, 2012, 01:21:45 PM
bump
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 01:23:46 PM
bump
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors10 on March 28, 2012, 01:24:05 PM
It's a reflection of some on this board and I used some direct lines\quotes of thinking here that had people's panties wadding at record rates.  I tried to pull in the most absurd.  Its funny to those that thought for the last few days how ridiculous the whole thing was and knew he wasn't going anywhere.  It is funny for those that read over and over again how some Notre Dame guy was out to destroy MU and people believed it.  

It probably hits a bit too close to home and isn't funny for those that didn't see the entire 72 hour episode for what it was and actually thought he was leaving.  The joke, therefore, is there and applies to those that really believed this stuff.  That is the humor.  Appreciated by some, not by others.  

Pretty sure people only believed a page (maybe) of this 98 page thread.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2012, 01:36:20 PM
Now what?  Should we try for #1 in page views?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
Now what?  Should we try for #1 in page views?

Why yes, yes we should.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Bocephys on March 28, 2012, 01:49:01 PM
bump
bump

Bump
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 01:57:46 PM
Bump
(http://www.polyfro.com/images/rahmanknot.jpg)

Bump.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 28, 2012, 01:58:20 PM
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/207/234/you-must-be-new-here-willy-wonka.jpg)

Wrong, sir! Wrong!

YOU LOSE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUDm7si0_Vw
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 28, 2012, 02:00:11 PM
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Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 28, 2012, 02:02:21 PM
So close. So close...to 100.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIes1HaUpSs
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Henry Sugar on March 28, 2012, 02:05:01 PM
Come on, guys.  It's the journey... not the destination.

I, for one, appreciate page 99

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: The Lens on March 28, 2012, 02:05:39 PM
Can we really claim 100 when a # of threads were merged in?

I say we shoot for 120 in case of audit.

Looks like we need a few more logs on the fire:

1) Buzz tied TC's MU NCAA wins this season, Buzz in 4 years, TC in 7 (I'm giving him a break for years 1 & 2)
2) Notice how we heard coaching rumors affected TC's recruiting but Buzz puts his name out each year and it doesn't hurt his?

/job done.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 28, 2012, 02:06:57 PM
Okay.  I originally refused to post in this thread.  But with the 100 pages looming and the re-name to "Craptastical Mystery Thread" I couldn't help myself!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: brewcity'77 on March 28, 2012, 02:13:35 PM
Craptastical Mystery Thread

I heard Yoko is gonna sue over that title
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 02:14:20 PM
Okay.  I originally refused to post in this thread.  But with the 100 pages looming and the re-name to "Craptastical Mystery Thread" I couldn't help myself!

WELCOME!
WELCOME!
         
WELCOME!
WELCOME
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 28, 2012, 02:16:33 PM
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/muscoop.com# (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/muscoop.com#)

Alexa info for scoop.  Why not?

FTR, Alexa will not email me pictures of her girl parts.   :'(
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: SoCalwarrior on March 28, 2012, 02:17:25 PM
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Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on March 28, 2012, 02:21:01 PM
Can we really claim 100 when a # of threads were merged in?

I say we shoot for 120 in case of audit.

Looks like we need a few more logs on the fire:

1) Buzz tied TC's MU NCAA wins this season, Buzz in 4 years, TC in 7 (I'm giving him a break for years 1 & 2)
2) Notice how we heard coaching rumors affected TC's recruiting but Buzz puts his name out each year and it doesn't hurt his?

/job done.

Standing ovation!  That's great hustle.  Brought a tear to my eye.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2012, 02:21:10 PM
what are girl parts?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: AZWarrior on March 28, 2012, 02:22:43 PM
I was born in the "Holy Land" in 1957 (Dad was in farming).  But moved to the big city in 1960 while grandpa still farmed in the area so visits were frequent.  Summer vacations spent often in the area so was a "must" to stop at Schwarz's after Packer games.

Yeah - great steaks.  And real good broasted chicken, too.  My dad bar-tended there for a short while.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 28, 2012, 02:22:49 PM
what are girl parts?

Google "blue waffle infection"
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Bocephys on March 28, 2012, 02:23:09 PM
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/muscoop.com# (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/muscoop.com#)

Alexa info for scoop.  Why not?

FTR, Alexa will not email me pictures of her girl parts.   :'(

So who lives in Harlingen and is single handedly improving scoop's ranking down there?
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Statistics Summary for muscoop.com
Muscoop.com is ranked #317,400 in the world according to the three-month Alexa traffic rankings. This site is relatively popular among users in the cities of Harlingen (where it is ranked #179), Milwaukee (#751), and La Crosse-Eau Claire (#767). Search engines refer very few visits to the site. About 10% of visits to Muscoop.com are bounces (one pageview only), and visitors to the site spend about 38 seconds on each pageview and a total of eight minutes on the site during each visit.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 02:23:22 PM
what are girl parts?


Ask Skatastrophy.  She'll send you pictures.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 02:25:06 PM
I'll be damned if I don't waste 2 more minutes of my time and get this thread to 100 Pages.

I think I can, I think I can, I think I can......
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2012, 02:25:57 PM

Ask Skatastrophy.  She'll send you pictures.

He directed me to www.meatspin.com

(VNSFW... probably NSFL)

for those who don't know what the acronyms above mean, do not go to the website.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 02:26:04 PM
It has been a long road to hit page 100. Hope last one until we win NCAA.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 28, 2012, 02:26:33 PM
Craptastical Mystery Thread

I heard Yoko is gonna sue over that title

Roll up...
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 02:27:08 PM
Maybe Chico's can roll us over to 100.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 02:27:18 PM
So who lives in Harlingen and is single handedly improving scoop's ranking down there?


Texas?  Must be SMUxx
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 28, 2012, 02:27:45 PM
He directed me to www.meatspin.com

(VNSFW... probably NSFL)

for those who don't know what the acronyms above mean, do not go to the website.

hahaha, I've been debating linking people there this whole thread.  I guess we'll see if it gets you banned or not.  Thanks for sticking your neck out there for me :)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2012, 02:28:47 PM
hahaha, I've been debating linking people there this whole thread.  I guess we'll see if it gets you banned or not.  Thanks for sticking your neck out there for me :)

I'd understand... but I think the post can probably just be edited to disinclude the link.  ;)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 28, 2012, 02:29:43 PM
I'd understand... but I think the post can probably just be edited to disinclude the link.  ;)

That's why I quoted it.  The nazi moderators around here always forget to edit the quoted text.

Shhh, don't tell them I told you that!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Bocephys on March 28, 2012, 02:30:19 PM

Texas?  Must be SMUxx

Scoop to SMU?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 02:30:31 PM
I gotta go to the can but I'm afraid to leave and miss the festivities.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 02:31:06 PM
Adios!!!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 02:31:09 PM
You could be Fr. Pilarz for all I know.

Goose is Fr Pilarz!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: dinger on March 28, 2012, 02:31:34 PM
I gotta go to the can but I'm afraid to leave and miss the festivities.

congratulations!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 28, 2012, 02:31:48 PM
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/muscoop.com# (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/muscoop.com#)

Alexa info for scoop.  Why not?

FTR, Alexa will not email me pictures of her girl parts.   :'(

The table on the right for "High Impact Search Queries for Muscoop.com" is awesome.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: drewm88 on March 28, 2012, 02:32:20 PM
I'd hate to not be a part of Scoop history in this thread, so I'm jumping in with the only thing I can think of that we haven't covered.

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbifXMz_ICag_Rer-Yrq71Zv4y4OWjcZy0V9s6iby3wULb6IuCNA)

What's he up to these days?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 02:32:24 PM
I'm pretty sure he could have taken it to an outlet with far greater reach and impact than IWB's blog.

How dare you! Ganzer has more contacts than Bausch & Lombe!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 02:32:50 PM
(http://favim.com/orig/201103/29/Favim.com-9716.jpg)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 02:33:43 PM
I'd hate to not be a part of Scoop history in this thread, so I'm jumping in with the only thing I can think of that we haven't covered.

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbifXMz_ICag_Rer-Yrq71Zv4y4OWjcZy0V9s6iby3wULb6IuCNA)

What's he up to these days?

Who dat?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 28, 2012, 02:34:18 PM
I'd hate to not be a part of Scoop history in this thread, so I'm jumping in with the only thing I can think of that we haven't covered.

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbifXMz_ICag_Rer-Yrq71Zv4y4OWjcZy0V9s6iby3wULb6IuCNA)

What's he up to these days?

He's a Program Director at 180 Degrees, Inc in the Twin Cities. It's amazing what you can find on the internet.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 28, 2012, 02:34:38 PM
Alright, now that that's wrapped up who is Marquette actively recruiting.  Time to get wild recruiting speculation of the offseason into full swing here.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 02:35:06 PM
Victory! Victory! Victory!

Oh wait. This was all actually embarassingly epic FAILURE.

Lock this down and let it never see the light of day again.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Bocephys on March 28, 2012, 02:35:39 PM
Alright, now that that's wrapped up who is Marquette actively recruiting.  Time to get wild recruiting speculation of the offseason into full swing here.

AKA, who will be Newbill'd to make room for <insert JUCO All American here>?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2012, 02:35:47 PM
Bring back Warriors?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 28, 2012, 02:35:57 PM
Alright, now that that's wrapped up who is Marquette actively recruiting.  Time to get wild recruiting speculation of the offseason into full swing here.

My sources told me that LW wants Buzz to only recruit JUCOs.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MileHigh on March 28, 2012, 02:36:18 PM
Alright, now that that's wrapped up who is Marquette actively recruiting.  Time to get wild recruiting speculation of the offseason into full swing here.

Aren't we targeting Cody Zeller as a transfer?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Bocephys on March 28, 2012, 02:37:01 PM
Victory! Victory! Victory!

Oh wait. This was all actually embarassingly epic FAILURE.

Lock this down and let it never see the light of day again.

(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/InBeforeTheLock.gif)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Benny B on March 28, 2012, 02:39:10 PM
(http://cdn.theurbandaily.com/files/2009/05/obama_fist_bump.jpg)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: The Man in Gold on March 28, 2012, 02:39:37 PM
/first!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 28, 2012, 02:42:02 PM
Sorry, Hoop. I have a sense of humor. No subject is off limits, and I am able to see humor even in points of view I find ill informed. Your "piece" is just really, really bad. Sorry to burst your bubble, but better to find out now rather than after you quit your job and moved the wife and kids to L.A. You'll thank me for this later.

I won't be quitting my job.  Some find Bill Maher funny.  To each their own.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 28, 2012, 02:43:41 PM
Goose is Fr Pilarz!

This.  Or he is Chicos
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Ari Gold on March 28, 2012, 02:45:21 PM
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0v2s7JKqd1qgzsew.jpg)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 03:01:16 PM
Is this the end...
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 🏀 on March 28, 2012, 03:02:37 PM
Just lock this SOB before it's greatness is further diluted. Save it for April of 2013 and reopen it.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: The Process on March 28, 2012, 03:03:00 PM
how much longer will this thread go...?

Back to dancing!

BTW - this is the 2500th post (and 2499th reply) in the thread...

And on that note:

(http://www.affiliateimprov.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/double-facepalm.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 28, 2012, 03:03:23 PM
Now that we're at 100, it can be said...

This should help recruiting.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: lessthannick11 on March 28, 2012, 03:03:47 PM
2500!

Damn off by 1
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MerrittsMustache on March 28, 2012, 03:04:01 PM
Just lock this SOB before it's greatness is further diluted. Save it for April of 2013 and reopen it.

Let's re-open it in 2022! Like a time capsule!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 03:09:38 PM
Let's re-open it in 2022! Like a time capsule!


There is the wisdom of a people in this thread. The collective genius of a civilization
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on March 28, 2012, 03:15:16 PM
There is the wisdom of a people in this thread. The collective genius of a civilization

There's only one thing to do then. Make it a Premium thread.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 🏀 on March 28, 2012, 03:15:42 PM


This should help recruiting.

ALRIGHT! THAT'S IT! IT'S OVER! IT'S ALL OVER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gNdQb3nDg
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 28, 2012, 03:16:06 PM
How much of a problem can Buzz have with Larry Williams? After all, he worked for the biggest douche bag in sports for 11 months.

Discuss.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: The Lens on March 28, 2012, 03:19:28 PM
How much of a problem can Buzz have with Larry Williams? After all, he worked for the biggest douche bag in sports for 11 months.

Discuss.

(http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww56/alial1222/guinness-brilliant.jpg)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 28, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
ALRIGHT! THAT'S IT! IT'S OVER! IT'S ALL OVER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0gNdQb3nDg

I see what you did there.

Zip em (the thread) up!

(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXc2XHBHP4IIOOphCUunyktFwFuGqs6Iuhp_9A4O1ecYmwdp6N9g)(https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ28IJYsPKw8DyUHR8WzxOPfIsoTt47bEHNnk9-qbieGWqI5swbwQ)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 28, 2012, 03:20:44 PM
There's only one thing to do then. Make it a Premium thread.


Hopefully without a virus.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Bocephys on March 28, 2012, 03:22:48 PM
Hopefully without a virus.

Now you're just being greedy.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2012, 03:25:11 PM
Every time I leave I come back to 2 more pages of posts.  It's growing almost as fast as it was at its height.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 03:25:43 PM
Hopefully without a virus.

What is the status of the banner to commemorate this accomplishment?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 03:29:18 PM
Perhaps the most notable aspect of these 100+ pages is that there was virtually no discussion or mention of The Bronzed Beast of Bloomington. Oh, sure, there were references but only in the context of Hoopaloop Chicos unsettling Butt Butter Love for The Tanned One. Other than that Tommy Two Face played no role in our achieving the coveted 100 page plateau.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 28, 2012, 03:33:45 PM
Bump
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 28, 2012, 03:33:54 PM
Before this thing dies or gets locked, my kudos to MerritsMustache for his participation and to 2002 for his Amo pic.

For no other reason than it gives me a chance to say...

By cracky!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 03:34:30 PM
Gentlemen, it's been an honor to serve with you.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Big Daddy 84 on March 28, 2012, 03:35:29 PM
One final comment that hopefully we can keep this for the next time someone throws a grenade or yells fire:

1) Trust God--He has the perfect plan.
2) Believe Buzz--He is a man of his word and believes in Rule #1.
3) Listen to Big Daddy---I only post what I know to be the truth and I believe in Rules #1 & #2.
4) Follow Rule #1 , Believe Rule #2 and for Rule #3 it is totally up to you, even my wife only believes 50% of the time, but if you think I am full of bull just be kind, we are all warrior fans here and we should be far more respectful to each other.

PS I do not work for MU and the only person that can fire me is my wife..

PSS In regards to DG's knee he is ok..they have backed down on playing for now..focus on therapy and rehab.

PSSS. I agree with Goose MU can be the next "heavy weight" school and the new lead program for the BE.

See you all in a few months..unless something important comes up..like the signing of a 6' 8" SF from Illinois for 2013.


I am out of here..

BD



Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Dreadman24 on March 28, 2012, 03:36:35 PM
Everyone should give this thread a bump.

BUMP
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 03:39:39 PM
Everyone should give this thread a bump.

BUMP




BUMP
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 28, 2012, 03:41:36 PM
BUMP
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Real Chilly Podcast on March 28, 2012, 03:41:49 PM
lady bumps
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
lady bumps



LOVELY LADY BUMPS
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Benny B on March 28, 2012, 03:52:29 PM


LOVELY LADY BUMPS

Bump x 7

(http://static.poponthepop.com/images/gallery/kate-gosselin-baby-bump-pregnant-with-sextuplets-photo.jpg)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: brewcity'77 on March 28, 2012, 03:57:22 PM
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j293/Homebrew101/56336d15.gif)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on March 28, 2012, 04:01:48 PM
See you all in a few months..unless something important comes up..like the signing of a 6' 8" SF from Illinois for 2013.

Now THAT would be something.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Goose on March 28, 2012, 04:05:51 PM
If Big Daddy breaks Jabari news to MU...drinks on Goose. He can be had to MU and would say funnier things have happened, like talk of Buzz to SMU!!!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 28, 2012, 04:08:49 PM
Well BD started the rumor here, so if it happens, all related celebratory posts must be in this thread. That way the anonymous 6'8" SF from Chicago can truly understand how passionate and logical we are before he gets to the ego-boosting posts. The name of the thread can change then too, so he knows where to look.



Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Aughnanure on March 28, 2012, 04:13:19 PM
I thought someone said earlier that these threads could only get to 100 pgs before locking automatically.  We're breaking barriers!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 28, 2012, 04:34:09 PM
Pilarz is Albert DiIulio reincarnate.   
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Pakuni on March 28, 2012, 04:36:50 PM
If Big Daddy breaks Jabari news to MU...drinks on Goose. He can be had to MU and would say funnier things have happened, like talk of Buzz to SMU!!!

Channel 58 in Milwaukee just reported that fan message boards are abuzz with reports that Jabari Parker just committed to Marquette.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 28, 2012, 04:46:39 PM
Channel 58 in Milwaukee just reported that fan message boards are abuzz with reports that Jabari Parker just committed to Marquette.

Channel 58's investigative news team, in cooperation with 60 Minutes, is also investigating the strange case of a missing person from a fan message board, who seems to have come back from the dead, but with a new identity. All of that and Lance Hill's 7 day forecast, tonight at 10!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: The Process on March 28, 2012, 04:52:02 PM
Channel 58's investigative news team, in cooperation with 60 Minutes, is also investigating the strange case of a missing person from a fan message board, who seems to have come back from the dead, but with a new identity. All of that and Lance Hill's 7 day forecast, tonight at 10!

Just ten minutes of your day...!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Hoopaloop on March 28, 2012, 05:06:26 PM
(http://www.badassdigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/tumblr_lasbn2sAsU1qe0eclo1_r2_500.gif)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 05:19:18 PM
Channel 58 in Milwaukee just reported that fan message boards are abuzz with reports that Jabari Parker just committed to Marquette.

That is funny.  My compliments!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 28, 2012, 05:24:33 PM
This thread is much like the Springfield Tire Fire, established in 1989.

(http://images.wikia.com/simpsons/images/6/64/250px-Tire_fire-1-.png)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: wadesworld on March 28, 2012, 06:00:02 PM
He directed me to www.meatspin.com

(VNSFW... probably NSFL)

for those who don't know what the acronyms above mean, do not go to the website.

HAHA!  Wow!  Meatspin just made it onto MUscoop, that is hilarious.  When one of my roommates used to head out on weekends before another roommate of mine and me, we would put meatspin up on the first one's computer on our way out of the door (music blasting, of course).  The next morning the first roommate would give us an update as to how many spins the counter reached before he shut it down.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 28, 2012, 06:30:36 PM
Has anybody ever seen Larry Williams long-form birth certificate and, if not, why the delay in releasing it?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on March 28, 2012, 06:51:01 PM
Has anybody ever seen Larry Williams long-form birth certificate and, if not, why the delay in releasing it?

His foreign national father refused to sign it before the family relocated to the warungs of Jakarta. Bisa Kan!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors10 on March 28, 2012, 07:03:57 PM
He directed me to www.meatspin.com

(VNSFW... probably NSFL)

for those who don't know what the acronyms above mean, do not go to the website.

LOL.  Like others, I cannot believe that meatspin has made an MUScoop thread.  When our childrens, children took at this legendary thread they will have to avoid that.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mu-rara on March 28, 2012, 07:04:48 PM
Pilarz is Albert DiIulio reincarnate.   

That would not be good.  It is possible though.  2nd time Al's name came up today.  Yikes.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 28, 2012, 07:25:17 PM
Any speculation on who's gettin' axed to leave so room is made for Parker?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: JoBo2756 on March 28, 2012, 07:31:38 PM
I've been pretty distant since the loss here. Can someone please explain, in two sentences or less, what the hell is going on here?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 28, 2012, 07:34:55 PM
Any speculation on who's gettin' axed to leave so room is made for Parker?

I don't know, but whoever takes that one for the team will deserve Marquette's version of the Medal of Honor.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Avenue Commons on March 28, 2012, 07:36:48 PM
I've been pretty distant since the loss here. Can someone please explain, in two sentences or less, what the hell is going on here?

And if you can answer that query, can you also address the meaning of life?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 07:41:36 PM
And if you can answer that query, can you also address the meaning of life?

The meaning of life would be easier to explain.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 28, 2012, 07:47:37 PM
I would just like to say that I am extremely disappointed that this thread has already lost its momentum. 

Only 103 pages?!?!? 

It's not like anything important is happening in the real world. 

Upward and Onward Scoopers!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 07:50:56 PM
I would just like to say that I am extremely disappointed that this thread has already lost its momentum. 

Only 103 pages?!?!? 

It's not like anything important is happening in the real world. 

Upward and Onward Scoopers!

The night is young.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2012, 07:57:41 PM
I would just like to say that I am extremely disappointed that this thread has already lost its momentum. 

Only 103 pages?!?!? 

It's not like anything important is happening in the real world. 

Upward and Onward Scoopers!
Mega Ultra Thread?

No.  Shhhh...  It is legend.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 28, 2012, 08:00:20 PM
I don't know, but whoever takes that one for the team will deserve Marquette's version of the Medal of Honor.
Could offer him a lifetime deal as a MU ambassador, like Favre was offered, in exchange for quitting. Penthouse at Humphrey for life, multiple honorary doctorate degrees, front row seats next to RJax, and a mini statue next to the Al statue.

I almost think Jones would take it, he seemed like the happiest guy in the world for a top 50 prospect riding the bench as a sophomore. He must really like something about MU.

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MUBurrow on March 28, 2012, 08:14:57 PM
Mega Ultra Thread?

No.  Shhhh...  It is legend.

arise! arise thread! thread arise!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Benny B on March 28, 2012, 08:20:54 PM
arise! arise thread! thread arise!

Billy Witch Doctor bestows upon this thread epic status.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: TJ on March 28, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
Headed to LBK for Easter...THANK YOU for the recommendation! 103 pages and worth every character.
This thread just keeps giving and giving and giving.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 28, 2012, 08:28:31 PM
Headed to LBK for Easter...THANK YOU for the recommendation! 103 pages and worth every character.

Keep an eye out for the killer peacocks  ;)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on March 28, 2012, 08:49:18 PM
That would not be good.  It is possible though.  2nd time Al's name came up today.  Yikes.

I still can't believe we have his name on the jerseys. We should replace it with Tom (or Tan).
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: The Lens on March 28, 2012, 08:55:16 PM
I still can't believe we have his name on the jerseys. We should replace it with Tom (or Tan).

Hasn't Bob Dukiet been dead long enough to warrant this banner?

(http://images.crestock.com/3570000-3579999/3575406-xs.jpg)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 09:15:51 PM
Headed to LBK for Easter...THANK YOU for the recommendation! 103 pages and worth every character.

If you get down south into the Florida Keys stop at Robbie's in Islamorada.  Every day about 100 tarpon gather around his dock.  You can buy a bucket of bait to feed them.  First timers toss the bait to the tarpon, but the proper way to do it is to lay down on the dock and stick your hand down and have a 100 lb tarpon come up and take it from you.  They kind of fight to be the one to get it, so sometimes their aim isn't too good, and most of your arm goes in their mouth - but it's ok, since they don't have teeth.  You definitely want to bring a video camera.

http://www.robbies.com/tarpon.htm
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 28, 2012, 09:39:58 PM
If you get down south into the Florida Keys stop at Robbie's in Islamorada.  Every day about 100 tarpon gather around his dock.  You can buy a bucket of bait to feed them.  First timers toss the bait to the tarpon, but the proper way to do it is to lay down on the dock and stick your hand down and have a 100 lb tarpon come up and take it from you.  They kind of fight to be the one to get it, so sometimes their aim isn't too good, and most of your arm goes in their mouth - but it's ok, since they don't have teeth.  You definitely want to bring a video camera.

http://www.robbies.com/tarpon.htm

Cool link.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 28, 2012, 09:42:41 PM
I miss the soccer talk now.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 28, 2012, 10:36:03 PM
This is tremendous (record breaking?) thread and I take pride in having been no part of it.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on March 28, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
As a kid I was told about threads like these, but never believed it.   
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 28, 2012, 11:12:05 PM
Any more fishing talk and I'll move those pages to a new thread in the superbar!

BTW Sally, we don't forget to edit the quotes, we're just too lazy.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mugrad2006 on March 28, 2012, 11:12:27 PM
If you get down south into the Florida Keys stop at Robbie's in Islamorada.  Every day about 100 tarpon gather around his dock.  You can buy a bucket of bait to feed them.  First timers toss the bait to the tarpon, but the proper way to do it is to lay down on the dock and stick your hand down and have a 100 lb tarpon come up and take it from you.  They kind of fight to be the one to get it, so sometimes their aim isn't too good, and most of your arm goes in their mouth - but it's ok, since they don't have teeth.  You definitely want to bring a video camera.

http://www.robbies.com/tarpon.htm

I'll second this.  The missus and I took a trip down to the keys a couple of years ago (drove from Miami, I DONT recommend doing that more than once)  and stopped at Robbies on the way back up.  Interesting place, great photo ops.  
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 28, 2012, 11:25:17 PM
Any more fishing talk and I'll move those pages to a new thread in the superbar!

BTW Sally, we don't forget to edit the quotes, we're just too lazy.

Rocky, that's fine if you move this stuff to a new thread......just trying to follow suit with the main theme of this thread....random topics, random baseless conjecture, random hamburger polls, turd cutters, lady bits, and on and on and on......were all welcome until this post dies a natural death ;D

Go warriors!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on March 28, 2012, 11:29:48 PM
Any more fishing talk and I'll move those pages to a new thread in the superbar!

BTW Sally, we don't forget to edit the quotes, we're just too lazy.


So, anyone see this article about Bo?  With a TC mention.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/moral_void_lg7OfgWCIfLIm02GFG00gL
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MU82 on March 28, 2012, 11:53:06 PM
I slit the sheets, the sheets I slit, and on the slitted sheets I sit.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: deep vacuum on March 29, 2012, 06:20:43 AM
Rocky, that's fine if you move this stuff to a new thread......just trying to follow suit with the main theme of this thread....random topics, random baseless conjecture, random hamburger polls, turd cutters, lady bits, and on and on and on......were all welcome until this post dies a natural death ;D

Go warriors!
What part of this thread, if any, would you consider natural?  Like an episode from the old Twilite Zone tv series. This thread is like is like nothing I have ever seen before.  And, I've loved reading every page of it.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Marqevans on March 29, 2012, 07:15:00 AM
Superbar?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 29, 2012, 09:22:41 AM
All I want to do with fish is eat them.
Just had to get another post in.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: brewcity'77 on March 29, 2012, 10:00:05 AM
another board I visit (music trading) has a Hall of Fame for threads like this, just a thought re: preservation

not much can touch this thread: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23718
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: leever on March 29, 2012, 10:11:33 AM
Don't you think the threads used to be better back in the day when we were still called Warriors?  Or when we had football?  Or when Chico's was still allowed in?

What's the matter with you kids now-a-days?

And stay off my lawn.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: The Lens on March 29, 2012, 10:22:43 AM
I bet some of the college student posting in this thread are sober.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 29, 2012, 10:46:56 AM
another board I visit (music trading) has a Hall of Fame for threads like this, just a thought re: preservation

not much can touch this thread: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23718


The all time greatest basketball thread is the KU/Ed Hightower photoshop extravaganza.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=3725&t=1884620 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=3725&t=1884620)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 29, 2012, 04:36:18 PM
Just wanted to be the last poster on this magical, whimsical journey.

The perfect bait.  Crawlers, golden shiners, or Juicy Lucys?  Discuss......

Mods, lock'er down and post'er up.

ARRRRRRRRRRH.

Go Warriors.
 







ND sucks, did I mention, ND sucks?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: JD on March 29, 2012, 05:02:02 PM
Date night ideas tomorrow night?

Mom is already picking us up...where do we go to eat?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 29, 2012, 05:37:21 PM
Date night ideas tomorrow night?

Mom is already picking us up...where do we go to eat?

Thanks in advance

Dang, lock and post this sucker up!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on March 29, 2012, 05:51:38 PM
Yeeeeehaaaaaaa!

Go Warriors!!!!!!!!

 And, F SMUxxxx

Period.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 29, 2012, 05:59:25 PM
Socal Warrior:  aka The Big Wet Blanket.   ;D
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 30, 2012, 11:05:21 AM
Really?  The Superbar?!

(http://i.imgur.com/tm85P.gif)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Benny B on March 30, 2012, 11:36:03 AM
As I scroll to the frame immediately above this one, it reads:

"we'd like this board be home to friendly water-cooler type discussions that relate to Marquette, and the Milwaukee area."

As this thread is evolved far beyond any "water-cooler type" discussion, don't you have to move it back to the Al?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 30, 2012, 02:34:29 PM
I don't think this thread at anything to do with a water cooler, unless there was a water cooler mixed with several vats of whiskey.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on April 13, 2012, 07:18:16 PM
Consigning this thread to the Superbar is the moral equivalent of taking a jet to the Boneyard at Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson. There is a melancholy in that act which defies description. Somehow, this thread should be returned to its rightful place of honor.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 13, 2012, 10:48:07 PM
Consigning this thread to the Superbar is the moral equivalent of taking a jet to the Boneyard at Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson. There is a melancholy in that act which defies description. Somehow, this thread should be returned to its rightful place of honor.

At least anti-terrorism training can still be conducted on said mothballed jet. 

This thread should have been sh!tcanned over N. Korea.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on April 14, 2012, 04:43:56 PM
At least anti-terrorism training can still be conducted on said mothballed jet.  

This thread should have been sh!tcanned over N. Korea.

Enough to make an old warthog-driver weep...
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 14, 2012, 10:32:38 PM
Enough to make an old warthog-driver weep...

The air and space museum in Tucson is pretty sweet.  couple of hogs there on display.
Title: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 05:18:49 PM
Jason King just reported on ESPN regarding SMU HC search:

"SMU initially went after Marquette's Buzz Williams who was very close to taking the job before backing out at the last second..."

Wow. Perhaps it was much closer and serious than we thought. Incredible.

King is a pretty solid source and that quote is pretty definitive.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 17, 2012, 05:23:47 PM
1. Well, shoot, I thought all those IWB doubters were righteous.

2. Does this thread have 100 page potential?  Hope against hope.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2012, 05:24:16 PM
He changed his mind after LW told him to take it.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 05:26:06 PM
He changed his mind after LW told him to take it.

Showed him!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 17, 2012, 05:33:33 PM
So who's been fishing?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on April 17, 2012, 05:37:33 PM
25 days to the opener.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 05:38:55 PM
5 days at Gustavus for chinook and halibut in May
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: nathanziarek on April 17, 2012, 05:39:12 PM
Someday I really hope to know what happened here. Was it serious play by Buzz? By MU? Was it as simple as money ... SMU offered, Buzz listened? Was it a pretty standard occurrence blown out of proportion by this board?

Someday.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 05:43:34 PM
Someday I really hope to know what happened here. Was it serious play by Buzz? By MU? Was it as simple as money ... SMU offered, Buzz listened? Was it a pretty standard occurrence blown out of proportion by this board?

Someday.

Listened to Jason King and he was pretty clear, "Buzz all but agreed" to take the SMU job. Not much uncertainty in that.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2012, 05:43:53 PM
Not money!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 05:47:04 PM
According to King it had nothing to do with money. Buzz liked the challenge of rebuilding SMU. Also mentioned that the SMU job carries a great deal of prestige and social status in Tejas
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2012, 05:50:22 PM
Plus it is far away from people who do not like him. Would say my stance has changed a tad over the past month and see MU 's side of the situation in different light. That said, I think getting the right guy in a year will be virtually impossible. Very possibly back to the drawing board and a coach making 800k and 2.6million.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: nyg on April 17, 2012, 05:53:36 PM
Wait till a real school that Buzz likes opens up.  One that does not require a major overhaul.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 05:58:54 PM
Wait till a real school that Buzz likes opens up.  One that does not require a major overhaul.

From what I heard I think Buzz liked the social status attaching to the SMU job. That school carries a lot of weigt in Texas, especially Dallas
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: nyg on April 17, 2012, 06:02:38 PM
SMU will be a doormat in the BE, a doormat for at least 5 years.  Would he have even lasted that long.

Larry Brown bringing in Howard and Rod Strickland (assistant at Kentucky) will maybe help with recruiting, but it will take a long time.  
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: DienerTime34 on April 17, 2012, 06:10:22 PM
Unless he was physically in the room or literally on the phone at the same time as Buzz and SMU, there's no way he knows this except hearing it secondhand. Now it's being reported as fact, and soon a 10,000 page thread will result on MUScoop. I suppose now you all believe in snarks and grumpkins as well.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: real chili 83 on April 17, 2012, 06:11:02 PM
25 days to the opener.

Maybe 18!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on April 17, 2012, 06:11:30 PM
Maybe 18!

Not looking good for that.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: real chili 83 on April 17, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
Not looking good for that.


Red Wing is open!  St. Croix and WI open in 18.  PD Pappys opens then too.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2012, 06:19:02 PM
Buzz was never was going to SMU unless relieved of his duties here. Power play on his part to say two can play the power play game. When all said and done an ugly situation got uglier.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: avid1010 on April 17, 2012, 06:24:24 PM
SMU will be a doormat in the BE, a doormat for at least 5 years.  Would he have even lasted that long.

Larry Brown bringing in Howard and Rod Strickland (assistant at Kentucky) will maybe help with recruiting, but it will take a long time.  
not sure about that.  those two are already great recruiters, and they're now recruiting for a nba coach.  it will take a few years to get talent, but they have a structure and long-term plan that is going to be attractive to recruits. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 06:28:08 PM
not sure about that.  those two are already great recruiters, and they're now recruiting for a nba coach.  it will take a few years to get talent, but they have a structure and long-term plan that is going to be attractive to recruits. 

Don't they have a lot of money, too? Not just money but earl money
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: avid1010 on April 17, 2012, 06:30:11 PM

Red Wing is open!  St. Croix and WI open in 18.  PD Pappys opens then too.

lake winnebago never closes and the walleyes are going good...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: nyg on April 17, 2012, 06:30:26 PM
not sure about that.  those two are already great recruiters, and they're now recruiting for a nba coach.  it will take a few years to get talent, but they have a structure and long-term plan that is going to be attractive to recruits. 

Yes a few years, like five.  Agree with the NBA coach aspect, National Championship, etc. and having Howard and Strickland helps, but SMU sucked in CUSA and now they are going up against the big boys.  Lets see what top 100 recruits in the class of 2013 start signing on the dotted line, or even if the Dallas/Houston talent start peeking interest.  Major rebuild and I hope it does work out since they just joined the BE.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 06:36:21 PM
Yes a few years, like five.  Agree with the NBA coach aspect, National Championship, etc. and having Howard and Strickland helps, but SMU sucked in CUSA and now they are going up against the big boys.  Lets see what top 100 recruits in the class of 2013 start signing on the dotted line, or even if the Dallas/Houston talent start peeking interest.  Major rebuild and I hope it does work out since they just joined the BE.

SMU is all in. Make no mistake. They intend to win.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 17, 2012, 06:45:56 PM
As goose, myself and others stated early on, this was closer than a lot of people are now stating it was. Turns out people were not reporting false rumors.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 17, 2012, 06:49:14 PM
From what I heard I think Buzz liked the social status attaching to the SMU job. That school carries a lot of weigt in Texas, especially Dallas

I don't doubt this, but this doesn't match the "aw shucks, it's just about the kids" type of stuff we have been hearing does it?

Still glad he is at MU.

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on April 17, 2012, 07:00:59 PM
 Major rebuild and I hope it does work out since they just joined the BE.

+1 on this.  Was less than thrilled when the original report of them joining the conf came out, but the news is promising.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 07:04:14 PM
I don't doubt this, but this doesn't match the "aw shucks, it's just about the kids" type of stuff we have been hearing does it?

I think we now know that Buzz' good ole boy personae is his schtick. It's pure bull.

Of course, Al had his schtick which we found endearing
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MuMark on April 17, 2012, 07:04:55 PM
Looks like some people owe IWB an apology......


I won't hold my breath.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2012, 07:10:24 PM
2002
Two month ago I called Buzz slippery and got bashed for it. If anyone really believe in "awe shucks" is an easy sale. When Buzz smirked after his dance it showed a side of him I really liked. I think he is shrewd, calculating person that knows how to butter his own bread. I believe he cares about the kids, similar to Al, but also similar to Al, he knows how to watch out for himself. I think more Dallas in Uncle Buzz than Cowpoke, Texas.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: madtownwarrior on April 17, 2012, 07:16:54 PM
most country boy "aw shucks" personas I have run across have turned out to be quite the opposite.   

would like to think Buzz is different but he is too sharp and sure knows what he is doing to be a country bumpkin..
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: avid1010 on April 17, 2012, 07:20:03 PM
i'm too young to have seen al coach, but i spent some time (probably a whole 10 hours total) with him watching tc's practices and at other places.  i guess i'm with goose.  i believe buzz and al both care about their kids, but i see a difference in the way they approach the question of their job.  al would always say "take the money," but it was a different time.  i see buzz saying he'll be at mu as long as they will have him.  i'm not sure if the smu thought was out of mu no longer wanting him, or his wanting to leave, but i hope his country boy theme doesn't play out in the same manner as brett farve.  

goose, what made you change your mind on how administration handled/viewed this situation?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
We ought not be surprised when he does a runner. Course he might just stay the course with MU. Al did but people might not know he tried to leave for the Bucks HC job but Fr Raynor held him to his contract. Al's comment was that, "The Jesuit Fathers take their vows of poverty very seriously and expect you to live by them."

Big difference between Al and Buzz, in my opinion? Al was Irish Catholic through and through and the Church meant a great deal. (And he was pre-Vatican 2!) It was an essential element of who and what he was. When a priest spoke, Al listened. When he saw a nun he immediately had a surge of guilt.

Buzz doesn't have that heritage. Sure, he says he's religious but he ain't Irish Catholic religious. Huge difference.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: wildbill sb on April 17, 2012, 07:28:01 PM
People, people, people, all of this belongs over on the Lunardi thread, otherwise we'll never reach the 103 page mark.  Right?  So, come on let's work together as a team as we strive to reach new heights.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 17, 2012, 07:28:13 PM
Unless he was physically in the room or literally on the phone at the same time as Buzz and SMU, there's no way he knows this except hearing it secondhand. Now it's being reported as fact, and soon a 10,000 page thread will result on MUScoop. I suppose now you all believe in snarks and grumpkins as well.

No, but occasionally on camping trips, I stand up against a tree holding a bag open on the ground waiting for a snipe to run into it.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 17, 2012, 07:29:26 PM
I agree that the aww shucks stuff is an act, and I'm cool with that. The dude is sly like a fox.

However, I've heard/read people heaping praise upon him for years saying that "he's different", "he's 100% truthful", "it's not an act" "I'll be here as long as MU has me" etc. (I'm paraphrasing).

I don't want to start a sh*tfight about this, I just hope everybody has their eyes open now.

Buzz is a good coach, and appears to be a good guy. But, his employment will last until:

A. He finds a gig he likes better or wants more
B. MU is unhappy with his performance (on or off the court)

I know this seems blatantly obvious, but that's my point. No need to romanticize it. Let's just call it what it is. Buzz is a basketball mercenary. I'm glad we have him.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 17, 2012, 07:29:50 PM
From what I heard I think Buzz liked the social status attaching to the SMU job. That school carries a lot of weigt in Texas, especially Dallas

Maybe he wants a school more in conformity with his religious beliefs.  Are Methodists Christians?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 17, 2012, 07:30:01 PM
People, people, people, all of this belongs over on the Lunardi thread, otherwise we'll never reach the 103 page mark.  Right?  So, come on let's work together as a team as we strive to reach new heights.


don't worry, the mods will start combining threads soon.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 07:30:31 PM
People, people, people, all of this belongs over on the Lunardi thread, otherwise we'll never reach the 103 page mark.  Right?  So, come on let's work together as a team as we strive to reach new heights.

I say we use the Scoop vs Scout thread. It already has a running start and what better irony than to post on another mega thread that Dodds would have shut down.

Oh the irony, Johnny Dodds!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 17, 2012, 07:30:41 PM
Maybe he wants a school more in conformity with his religious beliefs.  Are Methodists Christians?


No, they're like Mormons.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: avid1010 on April 17, 2012, 07:33:12 PM
"I'll be here as long as MU has me" etc. (I'm paraphrasing).
i'm still not sure this is a lie...the odds aren't pretty knowing what most college coaches are about but...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 07:33:18 PM
Maybe he wants a school more in conformity with his religious beliefs.  Are Methodists Christians?

Kind of. They don't have our sense of intense shame, lack Baptists self-righteousness, and are generally balse about faith in general. Methodists are constantly looking at their watch during service, hoping to have 15 minutes on the putting green before their tee time.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2012, 07:33:30 PM
Warthog
You know your history very well. I agree with similarities and differences between Al and Buzz. Al did not hide his ego which I loved and Buzz tries to hard to hide it. Say it again, his smirk after dance said a thousand words to me.

Avid
I still think admin screwed it up or will screw it up. But, I do think that if they have legit concerns about the character of the program they have right to protect he brand. I said last month that if they have dirt on program they should air it out and if not let things roll. Maybe they have dirt and it is different dirt than most think it is, maybe they are worried for things to come out.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 17, 2012, 07:36:02 PM
2002
Two month ago I called Buzz slippery and got bashed for it. If anyone really believe in "awe shucks" is an easy sale. When Buzz smirked after his dance it showed a side of him I really liked. I think he is shrewd, calculating person that knows how to butter his own bread. I believe he cares about the kids, similar to Al, but also similar to Al, he knows how to watch out for himself. I think more Dallas in Uncle Buzz than Cowpoke, Texas.

Only the totally in love, koolaid I.V. users believe in the Awe Shucks stuff.  He knows what he is doing.  Buzz is a smart guy.

SMU sinking a ton of money into their program is no surprise.  The money down there is endless.  Now time to see if it translates into wins and losses, but the commitment will be there as they don't want to get clobbered in the Big East.  They view this as an opportunity.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 17, 2012, 07:39:32 PM
Buzz is a personality, and given how hard the dude has scraped to get here, I'm sure he enjoys the ego boost of the spotlight.

More power to him... until he leaves MU. Then I will start threads hating on him for 5+ years. ;)
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: WI inferiority Complexes on April 17, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
So, this King guy reported basically nothing, and then got people to discuss it?  Sounds like he works in the media.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 17, 2012, 07:43:28 PM
SMU spending $$$$, Memphis coming in.  Looks like The Beast will be okay without Pitt and 'Cuse after all.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 07:44:17 PM

No, they're like Mormons.

Clearly you do not live out west. I am surrounded by Moes. Moes are insidious. The bottom line with them is that you are either with 'em or agin 'em. Sure, they smile and are polite but they register the fundamental fact that you are not a Moe. They take over school boards here. Buddies of mine who fly for Delta live in Sodom & Gomorrah (Park City, Utah) rather than SLC due to the incredible hold of the LDS community. The billboards saying, "Honor our Pioneer Heritage" is code for many things.

Methodists, on the other hand, are the most ecumenical of faiths. They call up the Catholic parish and suggest a joint Easter Egg hunt. They have Passover/Easter dinners with the local temple.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: muhoosier260 on April 17, 2012, 07:45:07 PM
Kind of. They don't have our sense of intense shame, lack Baptists self-righteousness, and are generally balse about faith in general. Methodists are constantly looking at their watch during service, hoping to have 15 minutes on the putting green before their tee time.

Catholics having a holier than thou attitude? That's a first.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2012, 07:45:14 PM
2002
I won't hate Buzz if/when he leaves. Really have gotten a kick out of his shtick and style of play. Well, I guess the death penalty could make me angry with him, but not hate him. He is a character and probably rubs some folks the wrong way. No matter what happens I am a Buzz guy.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: avid1010 on April 17, 2012, 07:45:29 PM
Al did but people might not know he tried to leave for the Bucks HC job but Fr Raynor held him to his contract. Al's comment was that, "The Jesuit Fathers take their vows of poverty very seriously and expect you to live by them."
as i've been told by others al also told his players to take the dang money if they could get it because he'd do the same.  i appreciate honesty.  heck i can even appreciate when a coach like huggins says he isn't worried about graduation rates, he just coaches and lets the academic people handle graduation.  i may not like it, but he's being honest about how he runs his program.  

if buzz is preaching morals and character while bs'ing about wanting to be at mu until they kick him out that's a heck of a lot different than al saying "take the money, i would" and then chasing after a higher paying nba gig.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 17, 2012, 08:00:16 PM
Clearly you do not live out west.

It was a poor attempt at connecting to the "Mormons ain't Christians.  I ain't votin' for no Mormon" we hear on the news, especially from Southern Baptist-types.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 08:01:55 PM
Catholics having a holier than thou attitude? That's a first.

Catholics I know tend to be much more open to diversity of religious thought and expression. Moes don't. Nor do Baptists. And certainly the fundamental denominations make Hitler look like a free speech advocate.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 17, 2012, 08:03:48 PM
As goose, myself and others stated early on, this was closer than a lot of people are now stating it was. Turns out people were not reporting false rumors.

BS.  Always was, and still is wild speculation.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 17, 2012, 08:09:47 PM
BS.  Always was, and still is wild speculation.


Keep burying your head in the sand.  Doesn't bother me. 

I mean we have a reputable source saying he came close to taking it...but no...nothing to see here.  Move along.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jficke13 on April 17, 2012, 08:11:38 PM
BS.  Always was, and still is wild speculation.

Agreed. Clowns on ESPN report possible moves, contracts, etc... all the time citing "sources." If it turns out that they were "almost right" that doesn't mean they didn't just make it up in the first place.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: The Process on April 17, 2012, 08:12:23 PM
Before I pull out the good ol':

(http://danceswithfat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/jump-to-conclusions-mat.jpg)

I'm curious to see which camp gave King that info.  Was it from the SMU side or was it someone close to Buzz?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 17, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
Keep burying your head in the sand.  Doesn't bother me. 

Keep claiming you're right, when there are no facts to back you up.  Doesn't bother me, or mean that you're right.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2012, 08:15:16 PM
Rocky
If you believe it is or was non story I am in shock.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: WI inferiority Complexes on April 17, 2012, 08:15:47 PM
I'm curious to see which camp gave King that info.  Was it from the SMU side or was it someone close to Buzz?

What info?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: muhoosier260 on April 17, 2012, 08:18:56 PM
Catholics I know tend to be much more open to diversity of religious thought and expression. Moes don't. Nor do Baptists. And certainly the fundamental denominations make Hitler look like a free speech advocate.

I was referring mostly to your allegation that Methodists are "kind of" Christians. There's no place on this board for that, or judging Mormons or Baptists, or any religion.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 17, 2012, 08:24:45 PM
Sultan
Sad thing is I really wish we were wrong. Any naysayers have not stated one thing factual to prove our claims false, yet they stick with their opinion. You and I took heat for our comments based off sources and are told we are wrong....disappointing that a group of adults would lack the reasoning that we had nothing to gain from our posts. Big Daddy gets jerked off for stating DG had jersey backed after his 19 post and you would have thought he cured cancer. Funny thing is Big Daddy says one thing in forum and another off camera.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 17, 2012, 08:27:21 PM
What info?

That Buzz backed out of taking the SMU job at the last minute.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 08:28:12 PM
as i've been told by others al also told his players to take the dang money if they could get it because he'd do the same.  i appreciate honesty.  heck i can even appreciate when a coach like huggins says he isn't worried about graduation rates, he just coaches and lets the academic people handle graduation.  i may not like it, but he's being honest about how he runs his program.  

if buzz is preaching morals and character while bs'ing about wanting to be at mu until they kick him out that's a heck of a lot different than al saying "take the money, i would" and then chasing after a higher paying nba gig.

A group of us were at The Rock last night and found ourselves seated next to John Clayton from ESPN and Jen Mueller from Fox NW. Clayton said the Pack will add some defenseive talent and should get to the SB.  Mueller really knows her college hoops and knew a lot about MU - she said Buzz is great, Crowder and DJO didn't deliver in the tourney, etc...Turns out her cousins went to MU as did her mother.

Anyhow, she went to SMU and knew all about the Buzz to Dallas deal. She said Buzz responded immediately to the overture and was extremely keen on the opportunity. She said she was told that Buzz didn't want 3 years of rebuilding arse pain. She claims to have spoken with Vaught on the search and SMU really wanted Buzz. Evidently, Craig James has given a buttload of money for this effort as has the Hunt family.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 79Warrior on April 17, 2012, 08:28:17 PM
Not money!

Yep. sooner or later folks will figure out the new MU admin better get it together. This was not BS, he was ready to move on. If the relations do not improve over the next 12 months,  MU will be looking for a new coach. Its up to Pilarz to get it straight.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 08:32:59 PM
I was referring mostly to your allegation that Methodists are "kind of" Christians. There's no place on this board for that, or judging Mormons or Baptists, or any religion.

I was kidding.

About the Moes, however, I live among them and behind the green jello they are exclusionary, close minded, racist. Read Krakauer's Under The Banner Of God and you might begin to understand.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Sir Lawrence on April 17, 2012, 08:40:37 PM
I was kidding.

About the Moes, however, I live among them and behind the green jello they are exclusionary, close minded, racist. Read Krakauer's Under The Banner Of God and you might begin to understand.

It's "Under the Banner of Heaven."

Excellent read.  About fundamental Mormons, not mainstream.  Like Opus Dei is to Jesuits.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 08:42:07 PM
BS.  Always was, and still is wild speculation.

Rocky, I have zero personal insight on this but if ESPN and Fox Sports journalists have arrived independently at a consistent view then there is likely validity to the story.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 17, 2012, 08:48:08 PM
Let's recap:  BOT brings in new guy to take MU to a new level.  New guy is national, intellectual/academic , a capital fundraiser, clergy, savvy politician and from a more stuck up school than Notre Dame (Gtown).  He is the smartest man in the room.  He replaces a nice, fatherly man who is overly loyal but who has clergy sexual abuse baggage (inaction) that follows him.

BOT has 7 clergy, 9 females, 15 nonprofits, 13 Wisconsinites, and has 11 nonMU grads out of  an unmanageable 35.  Maybe 5 Friends of Buzz.  Many for profits put on BOT's because they represent cash donors that don't want their name tied to negative stories.  Many are trying to finish their legacies.

New guy is told to clean up the perceived pr mess and move on to his vision.  Out with the old, in with the new.  Blame Athletics because it is easy and better than the clergy which has tainted at the very least the last two MU administrations.  Women crimes have gone unreported illegally for a decade if not scores, although BB is most recent but all handled like clergy were so need change from past.  "Make it End"

In is the empowered coach who is also new to MU history of the underdog.  Ran his own show within limits.  Kids make mistakes but coach has taken the time to study MU Warrior creed of past, play into the concept of "Be the Difference", but holds them accountable in a different way that these kids transform too.  He believes in redemption if they believe.  It jives with his story and he attaches deeply and sells it in to hardship kids who respond or they are out.  

New guy forms a committee which is his MO, hires a couple of ND toadies to raise the bar to his vision the BOT charged him with.  AD follows orders, asserts himself but goes after the signature program as new guy orders, doesn't understand complexities of running BE athletics or that loyal underling is more liked and qualified.  Both are at every game but loyal alums don't connect.  They walk in and out alone.  New guy is savvy but goes after the big one to pull back power.  Donors react and side with coach so he pulls it back.  ND guy weakened.  Coach alienated but wins short term.  New guy realizes he was led astray from BOT directive by the reaction of the masses.  His vision distracted, his new base never connects with him, he is reeling big time and has lost his agenda.  BOT has led him astray on his agenda; he recoils and tries to bring back coach to settle furor.

In the end, all weakened, all will not survive at MU unless the new guy regroups and imposes HIS university vision.  He is learning that.  Buzz will give him a chance to meld it together...only for the kids and loyal FOB alums, which are many.  There will be fallen soldiers as the new settles.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 08:48:14 PM
It's "Under the Banner of Heaven."

Excellent read.  About fundamental Mormons, not mainstream.  Like Opus Dei is to Jesuits.

Yes and no. He highlights the extremism of the groups in BC and Arizona but shows how they came out of the mainstream LDS church. LDS is big in Seattle's suburbs (they avoid the city like the plague) and they make their mark in many ways.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jesmu84 on April 17, 2012, 08:59:46 PM
Let's recap:  BOT brings in new guy to take MU to a new level.  New guy is national, intellectual/academic , a capital fundraiser, clergy, savvy politician and from a more stuck up school than Notre Dame (Gtown).  He is the smartest man in the room.  He replaces a nice, fatherly man who is overly loyal but who has clergy sexual abuse baggage (inaction) that follows him.

BOT has 7 clergy, 9 females, 15 nonprofits, 13 Wisconsinites, and has 11 nonMU grads out of  an unmanageable 35.  Maybe 5 Friends of Buzz.  Many for profits put on BOT's because they represent cash donors that don't want their name tied to negative stories.  Many are trying to finish their legacies.

New guy is told to clean up the perceived pr mess and move on to his vision.  Out with the old, in with the new.  Blame Athletics because it is easy and better than the clergy which has tainted at the very least the last two MU administrations.  Women crimes have gone unreported illegally for a decade if not scores, although BB is most recent but all handled like clergy were so need change from past.  "Make it End"

In is the empowered coach who is also new to MU history of the underdog.  Ran his own show within limits.  Kids make mistakes but coach has taken the time to study MU Warrior creed of past, play into the concept of " Be the Difference", but holds them accountable in a different way that these kids transform too.  He believes in redemption if they believe.  It jives with his story and he attaches deeply and sells it in to hardship kids who respond or they are out.  

New guy forms a committee which is his MO, hires a couple of ND toadies to raise the bar to his vision the BOT charged him with.  AD follows orders, asserts himself but goes after the signature program as new guy orders, doesn't understand complexities of running BE athletics or that loyal underling is more liked and qualified.  Both are at every game but loyal alums don't connect.  They walk in and out alone.  New guy is savvy but goes after the big one to pull back power.  Donors react and side with coach so he pulls it back.  ND guy weakened.  Coach alienated but wins short term.  New guy realizes he was led astray from BOT directive by the reaction of the masses.  His vision distracted, his new base never connects with him, he is reeling big time and has lost his agenda.  BOT has led him astray on his agenda; he recoils and tries to bring back coach to settle furor.

In the end, all weakened, all will not survive at MU unless the new guy regroups and imposes HIS university vision.  He is learning that.  Buzz will give him a chance to meld it together...only for the kids and loyal FOB alums, which are many.  There will be fallen soldiers as the new settles.

I love that you said all this. although technically without sources, it all makes sense. I really appreciate a total recap, as opposed to many small "teaser" posts.

for anyone who has information on the rumor of a player being forced out, how does that event tie into blackheart's recap? Is that a move by the pres or the AD? and is it just a move to exert power on buzz/show buzz who has the real power? If so, very petty to take out your personal squabbles on a teenager
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: wildbill sb on April 17, 2012, 09:00:58 PM
Let's recap:  BOT brings in new guy to take MU to a new level.  New guy is national, intellectual/academic , a capital fundraiser, clergy, savvy politician and from a more stuck up school than Notre Dame (Gtown).  He is the smartest man in the room.  He replaces a nice, fatherly man who is overly loyal but who has clergy sexual abuse baggage (inaction) that follows him.

BOT has 7 clergy, 9 females, 15 nonprofits, 13 Wisconsinites, and has 11 nonMU grads out of  an unmanageable 35.  Maybe 5 Friends of Buzz.  Many for profits put on BOT's because they represent cash donors that don't want their name tied to negative stories.  Many are trying to finish their legacies.

New guy is told to clean up the perceived pr mess and move on to his vision.  Out with the old, in with the new.  Blame Athletics because it is easy and better than the clergy which has tainted at the very least the last two MU administrations.  Women crimes have gone unreported illegally for a decade if not scores, although BB is most recent but all handled like clergy were so need change from past.  "Make it End"

In is the empowered coach who is also new to MU history of the underdog.  Ran his own show within limits.  Kids make mistakes but coach has taken the time to study MU Warrior creed of past, play into the concept of " Be the Difference", but holds them accountable in a different way that these kids transform too.  He believes in redemption if they believe.  It jives with his story and he attaches deeply and sells it in to hardship kids who respond or they are out.  

New guy forms a committee which is his MO, hires a couple of ND toadies to raise the bar to his vision the BOT charged him with.  AD follows orders, asserts himself but goes after the signature program as new guy orders, doesn't understand complexities of running BE athletics or that loyal underling is more liked and qualified.  Both are at every game but loyal alums don't connect.  They walk in and out alone.  New guy is savvy but goes after the big one to pull back power.  Donors react and side with coach so he pulls it back.  ND guy weakened.  Coach alienated but wins short term.  New guy realizes he was led astray from BOT directive by the reaction of the masses.  His vision distracted, his new base never connects with him, he is reeling big time and has lost his agenda.  BOT has led him astray on his agenda; he recoils and tries to bring back coach to settle furor.

In the end, all weakened, all will not survive at MU unless the new guy regroups and imposes HIS university vision.  He is learning that.  Buzz will give him a chance to meld it together...only for the kids and loyal FOB alums, which are many.  There will be fallen soldiers as the new settles.


Outstanding diagnosis, Doctor.  You've cut, if you'll pardon the expression, to the "black" heart of the problem with the skill and economy of a world class surgeon.  + 1 gazillion!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 17, 2012, 09:08:08 PM
Keep claiming you're right, when there are no facts to back you up.  Doesn't bother me, or mean that you're right.


What "fact" do you want? 

I can tell you what I was told from the very beginning.  That Buzz wasn't getting along with his bosses and that he looked seriously at the SMU job.  (I never said anything about trying to de-emphasize basketball like Goose did...I never heard that.)

So now what I said is being backed up by Jason King...and your response is still burying your head in the sand.  Look, believe what you want to believe.  Throw me under the bus...throw IWB under the bus...whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess is fine. 

But I was right. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 09:16:17 PM

What "fact" do you want? 

I can tell you what I was told from the very beginning.  That Buzz wasn't getting along with his bosses and that he looked seriously at the SMU job.  (I never said anything about trying to de-emphasize basketball like Goose did...I never heard that.)

So now what I said is being backed up by Jason King...and your response is still burying your head in the sand.  Look, believe what you want to believe.  Throw me under the bus...throw IWB under the bus...whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess is fine. 

But I was right. 

Don't forget Jen Mueller of Fox Sports (now branded as Root.) She said the same thing as King reported.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 17, 2012, 09:18:17 PM
Don't forget Jen Mueller of Fox Sports (now branded as Root.) She said the same thing as King reported.
Hold on...is Fox Sports branded as "Root" or is Jen Mueller?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on April 17, 2012, 09:22:34 PM
Go Warriors!!!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 09:27:43 PM
Hold on...is Fox Sports branded as "Root" or is Jen Mueller?

Uh, Jen Mueller knows a lot about sports. I wouldn't say anything more than that. Nice person, very enthusiastic about sports. She is very prominent around here...

A quote from a local blog: http://seattlesportsnet.com/2010/02/28/jen-mueller-cleavage-watch/

Like two loaves of Seattle sourdough, sprinkled with yeast and baking alongside one another, Jen Mueller’s breasts evolved from their blouse of an oven and begged to be notice for the first time.

John Clayton is an oddball. We were seated at the bar and Clayton and Mueller were next to us. Clayton was right next to me. I first recognized his voice but the person was wearing sweat pants, a paint stained tee, and old beat up nikes. I couldn't believe that was Clayton. Anyhow, those two were great to talk to and really live and breath sports.

Having said which, Mueller is far less knowledgeable about what transpired with SMU's search and therefore should not be believed. Besides, she's a girl
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 17, 2012, 09:30:03 PM

What "fact" do you want?  
...

But I was right.  

Of course you were right...about some administrative tension, but buzz was never close to going anywhere.  
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: texaswarrior74 on April 17, 2012, 09:33:08 PM
Quote
Also mentioned that the SMU job carries a great deal of prestige and social status in Tejas

Having lived in Dallas for almost 33 now I can tell you that nothing could be further from the truth. SMU basketball is not important to anyone here outside of a few SMU students (very few) and fewer alums. Neither the program nor the position carry ANY prestige in DFW or Texas.

They get less media attention than the top area high schools-Baylor and UT get far better coverage in the Dallas Morning News and on local radio and TV stations. Doherty being fired got very little notice in the press/broadcast media. Their current search is being laughed at on all the local sports talk shows even by the long time "deans" of sports talk radio, Randy Galloway and Norm Hitzges. Just this morning Hitzges called the search process laughable and rapidly becoming a farce.

As to Jason King....he is so often wrong when talking about the big boys in college hoops that I have a really hard time giving any credibility to anything he writes....he's the king of rumor and speculation hoping that every once in a while he gets it right.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 09:34:17 PM
Of course you were right about some administrative tension, but buzz was never close to going anywhere. 

Some credible journalists have a different view. Mueller's is the SMU ADD. Pretty damn good first hand sources. Care to state yours?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Golden Avalanche on April 17, 2012, 09:36:42 PM
Of course you were right...about some administrative tension, but buzz was never close to going anywhere.  

It's always interesting that every situation can create two opposite viewpoints. The truth? It should make everyone uneasy regardless of what you think.

More importantly, does no one want to comment on the possible forcing out of a player? Surely that is more productive discussion.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 09:37:07 PM
SMU basketball is not important to anyone here outside of a few SMU students (very few) and fewer alums. Neither the program nor the position carry ANY prestige in DFW or Texas.

I wasn't speaking of SMU basketball. I am referring to SMU the institution. It has an elitist reputation and assoication conveys that prestige.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 17, 2012, 09:53:24 PM
Some credible journalists have a different view. Mueller's is the SMU ADD. Pretty damn good first hand sources. Care to state yours?

Yes, I will state my sources.  I have none.  And that is the important part.  When s*it goes down, I usually get lots of e-mails and PMs.  I got none about this whole SMU thing, except for Goose trying to convince me he had good information (and I know of Goose's source).  A lack of a source is my source that everyone else was spewing s*it.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 17, 2012, 09:56:00 PM
Yes, I will state my sources.  I have none.  And that is the important part.  When s*it goes down, I usually get lots of e-mails and PMs.  I got none about this whole SMU thing, except for Goose trying to convince me he had good information (and I know of Goose's source).  A lack of a source is my source that everyone else was spewing s*it.

What about a Fox Sports reporter citing the ADD at SMU?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 17, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
Let's recap:  BOT brings in new guy to take MU to a new level.  New guy is national, intellectual/academic , a capital fundraiser, clergy, savvy politician and from a more stuck up school than Notre Dame (Gtown).  He is the smartest man in the room.  He replaces a nice, fatherly man who is overly loyal but who has clergy sexual abuse baggage (inaction) that follows him.

BOT has 7 clergy, 9 females, 15 nonprofits, 13 Wisconsinites, and has 11 nonMU grads out of  an unmanageable 35.  Maybe 5 Friends of Buzz.  Many for profits put on BOT's because they represent cash donors that don't want their name tied to negative stories.  Many are trying to finish their legacies.

New guy is told to clean up the perceived pr mess and move on to his vision.  Out with the old, in with the new.  Blame Athletics because it is easy and better than the clergy which has tainted at the very least the last two MU administrations.  Women crimes have gone unreported illegally for a decade if not scores, although BB is most recent but all handled like clergy were so need change from past.  "Make it End"

In is the empowered coach who is also new to MU history of the underdog.  Ran his own show within limits.  Kids make mistakes but coach has taken the time to study MU Warrior creed of past, play into the concept of "Be the Difference", but holds them accountable in a different way that these kids transform too.  He believes in redemption if they believe.  It jives with his story and he attaches deeply and sells it in to hardship kids who respond or they are out.  

New guy forms a committee which is his MO, hires a couple of ND toadies to raise the bar to his vision the BOT charged him with.  AD follows orders, asserts himself but goes after the signature program as new guy orders, doesn't understand complexities of running BE athletics or that loyal underling is more liked and qualified.  Both are at every game but loyal alums don't connect.  They walk in and out alone.  New guy is savvy but goes after the big one to pull back power.  Donors react and side with coach so he pulls it back.  ND guy weakened.  Coach alienated but wins short term.  New guy realizes he was led astray from BOT directive by the reaction of the masses.  His vision distracted, his new base never connects with him, he is reeling big time and has lost his agenda.  BOT has led him astray on his agenda; he recoils and tries to bring back coach to settle furor.

In the end, all weakened, all will not survive at MU unless the new guy regroups and imposes HIS university vision.  He is learning that.  Buzz will give him a chance to meld it together...only for the kids and loyal FOB alums, which are many.  There will be fallen soldiers as the new settles.

Dead on Doctor. Nice to see some analysis of a complex situation rather than the simple among our fandom saying stupid things like this proves that Buzz is a "basketball mercenary" and a phony/conman.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on April 17, 2012, 10:00:09 PM
I still can't believe this board is still talking about SMU. Dear god...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 17, 2012, 10:01:52 PM
What about a Fox Sports reporter citing the ADD at SMU?

Funny, you seem to put more faith in what SMU's AD might have to say than what Larry Williams had to say.  Maybe you should go have a drink with Chicos. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: wojosdojo on April 17, 2012, 10:02:23 PM
What went down with Larry that made Buzz seriously consider leaving? A year ago he probably thought he would retire here. Is it because Larry thinks he's the top man on campus? Can someone PLEASE answer this in a short simple note? Thanks.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 17, 2012, 10:26:43 PM
Here you go Bro,
The new sheriff and his deputy dug in Buzz' stuff. Basically, upon directive from on high, the acts of several players have brought unwanted negative publicity to our fine alma mater and are not to be repeated henceforth. This, of course, smacks of messin' with happy and the bus driver is pissed and feelin' unloved. So, the pissin' match starts with who blinks first. Likely ending will be MU changin' coaches, sooner than later citing irreconcible differences.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on April 17, 2012, 10:38:47 PM
Here you go Bro,
The new sheriff and his deputy dug in Buzz' stuff. Basically, upon directive from on high, the acts of several players have brought unwanted negative publicity to our fine alma mater and are not to be repeated henceforth. This, of course, smacks of messin' with happy and the bus driver is pissed and feelin' unloved. So, the pissin' match starts with who blinks first. Likely ending will be MU changin' coaches, sooner than later citing irreconcible differences.

Doubt it. You know the sh*tstorm that would go down if LW ended up with that. Even the BOT isn't that dumb. Buzz holds all the cards as long as he wins and recruits.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hamostradamus on April 17, 2012, 10:40:17 PM
Yes, I will state my sources.  I have none.  And that is the important part. 

This is possibly the most awesome thing ever printed. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: seinfeld on April 17, 2012, 10:41:32 PM
Doubt it. You know the sh*tstorm that would go down if LW ended up with that. Even the BOT isn't that dumb. Buzz holds all the cards as long as he wins and recruits.

no, not really. he is one major off-court player incident or recruiting mishap away from being canned.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 17, 2012, 10:45:10 PM
Virtually verbatim.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on April 17, 2012, 10:46:12 PM
no, not really. he is one major off-court player incident or recruiting mishap away from being canned.

No sh*t. Every coach is.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 17, 2012, 11:40:19 PM
How can a university screw up the relationship with its number 1 asset?  How can a coach spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year with 13 players?  Young men 18-22 make mistakes. 

Sure hope Buzz doesn't leave, but if MU doesn't get it right with Buzz - MU hoops as you've known it these last 10 years is over.  Be ready for a return to the Mike Deane days.  Sadly believe the new administration has an arrogance about it that is reminiscent of the DiUlio days...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Jam Chowder on April 18, 2012, 12:22:29 AM
How can a university screw up the relationship with its number 1 asset?  How can a coach spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year with 13 players?  Young men 18-22 make mistakes. 

Sure hope Buzz doesn't leave, but if MU doesn't get it right with Buzz - MU hoops as you've known it these last 10 years is over.  Be ready for a return to the Mike Deane days.  Sadly believe the new administration has an arrogance about it that is reminiscent of the DiUlio days...

Really? Arrogance? It's arrogance that leadership is sick of story after story emerging about the inability of these young men to act as responsible members of society? As an alum, I'm sick of seeing certain members of the men's basketball program repeatedly disgrace the character of Marquette by getting in fights, assaulting women, etc. It's really not unreasonable to expect them to avoid these types of situations.

Buzz has more contact with these players more than anyone else associated with the university, and should be held accountable for their conduct. I love it when they're winning, but winning without integrity is meaningless.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 18, 2012, 05:02:38 AM
Welcome to the Harvard of the Midwest.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 06:42:42 AM
Dead on Doctor. Nice to see some analysis of a complex situation rather than the simple among our fandom saying stupid things like this proves that Buzz is a "basketball mercenary" and a phony/conman.

I represent this remark.

I don't think basketball mercenary is inaccurate or unfair. Buzz has scraped and clawed his way to the top by taking the jobs nobody else was willing or wanted to do. He has definitely taken the road less traveled.

I would never say Buzz is a conman, but the dude isn't as dumb as he likes to play, and I would say the vast majority of his comments and statements are very well thought out. 

I like the guy, I hope he coaches at MU for a long time.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: brewcity77 on April 18, 2012, 06:48:01 AM
I represent this remark.

I really don't think you do...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 18, 2012, 07:04:55 AM
Doubt it. You know the sh*tstorm that would go down if LW ended up with that. Even the BOT isn't that dumb. Buzz holds all the cards as long as he wins and recruits.
  Really?  You have much more confidence in the BOT, Prez, and AD than I do.  Remember, it was folks just like this who scrapped our Warrior name and gave us the Gold.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 18, 2012, 07:17:51 AM
There are issues on our board that would be way more embarrassing to Marquette University than a couple fights and jilted girlfriends.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 18, 2012, 07:18:31 AM
Methodists, on the other hand, are the most ecumenical of faiths. They call up the Catholic parish and suggest a joint Easter Egg hunt. They have Passover/Easter dinners with the local temple.

I picture Dean Martin & Sammy Davis Jr. at near the end of The Cannonball Run.  "Next time we're Methodists!"
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 18, 2012, 07:23:19 AM
Funny, you seem to put more faith in what SMU's AD might have to say than what Larry Williams had to say.  Maybe you should go have a drink with Chicos. 

Larry Williams staff put out a carefully worded canned ham. Not much to chew on and certainly no insight. The Fox reporter related a conversation she had with Vaughn. Lots of detail.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: brewcity77 on April 18, 2012, 07:28:54 AM
  Really?  You have much more confidence in the BOT, Prez, and AD than I do.  Remember, it was folks just like this who scrapped our Warrior name and gave us the Gold.

Okay...that's still massive revisionist history. Yes, they changed the Warrior name, and anyone who looks at the circumstances surrounding the change can see that there was a pretty clear and immediate reason that change was made. And they made the change to Golden Eagles, not Gold. It wasn't until a booster came along and offered $2 million to change it back (I remember well...it was at my graduation) that the name debate opened again, and only then did the "Gold" thing come up, some 11 years later. But as the circumstances surrounding the change were still right there, they couldn't go back to Warriors, so they came up with something innovative that they thought might appease the anti-Golden Eagles crowd. Granted, it was innovative crap, and once they realized it, they put it up for a vote, but acting as though this was just a rubber stamp "Warriors out, Gold in" decision is incredibly narrow-sighted. It was a long process that had a number of other factors (well...okay, one other factor) and I would be willing to wager a lot more money than $2 million.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 18, 2012, 07:47:22 AM
Exactly brew. And let's not forget that it is this board and administration that lead MU to its resurgence over the past 20 years. Do they make mistakes?  Sure. Do they have skeletons?  Sure. But they are in general very smart people.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Freeport Warrior on April 18, 2012, 08:06:15 AM
Believe what you want to believe, but like many have said, this was very close. Any other decent Southwest target and Buzz would have been gone. We simply got lucky it was SMU because MU was prepared -- yet scared -- to let him walk.

Another nugget I heard from this a few weeks ago was that with all of the BB success recently, they (admin, AD, pres, BOT) felt like they might be on their way to another Crean situation. Crean was power-mad, answered to no one toward the end and truly believed basketball was Marquette. Some would say he believed HE was Marquette. They wanted to make sure they didn't make the same mistakes with Buzz by giving him unchecked control. With the assault stuff, Buzz wanted to handle internally with a "this is a basketball issue" mentality -- and admin felt like it was an MU issue. New guys everywhere -- other issues boiling as well -- front page embarrassments -- power struggle ensues.

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 18, 2012, 08:11:12 AM
My gut tells me that the BOT and admin have a ton of inside information that will either confirm Buzz needs to stay or move on. I may have had knee jerk reaction that was based solely off my desire of the program being elite and not the best interest of the school in general. No doubt everyone involves knows importance of ball to the school. Hate to say it, but if something does happen in the coaching situation down the road I do think it will be a well thought out decision.
Good news is everyone involved has time to figure things out. Buzz very well might be a loose cannon and that might not be a good thing. Time is on everyone's side to find out what is best for all parties.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 18, 2012, 08:13:03 AM
Freeport
Well said. Obviously a ton of things that happen behind the scenes and you very well might be completely correct on your post.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on April 18, 2012, 08:26:38 AM
Crean was power-mad, answered to no one toward the end and truly believed basketball was Marquette. Some would say he believed HE was Marquette.



Got an image of Tom Crean giving a WWE-style interview, where he pauses, takes off his european sunglasses, looks directly into the camera and says "I. Am. Marquette." with a scowl.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: seinfeld on April 18, 2012, 08:29:16 AM
All the concerns of the Admin basically boils down to institutional control. They don't want to get to a situation where the NCAA comes in sometime in the future and tags MU with 'lack of institutional control.' If Buzz was thinking over the last two years that he had total control over the program and he was off on an island and could deal with all problems internally, then, yes, that would be a concern of the Administration and rightly so. So if the two parties can get over that major bump, there could be less tension in the future. Time will tell.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: madtownwarrior on April 18, 2012, 08:34:42 AM
after reading the last few pages of this dialogue - I don't think anybody knows jack SHlT about what REALLY went down...  (and no I don't have any sources either)...   

done reading these threads, it's embarrassing the debate continues on SMU/Buzz...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 08:37:40 AM
All the concerns of the Admin basically boils down to institutional control. They don't want to get to a situation where the NCAA comes in sometime in the future and tags MU with 'lack of institutional control.' If Buzz was thinking over the last two years that he had total control over the program and he was off on an island and could deal with all problems internally, then, yes, that would be a concern of the Administration and rightly so. So if the two parties can get over that major bump, there could be less tension in the future. Time will tell.

+1.

Penn State didn't know it was "Penn State" before it was too late. All schools need to keep the checks and balances, even if it is uncomfortable sometimes.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MerrittsMustache on April 18, 2012, 08:40:34 AM
My sources tell me that Buzz did NOT leave for SMU and that it doesn't matter how close he might have been to leaving, he's still the head coach at Marquette.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jesmu84 on April 18, 2012, 08:42:02 AM
All the concerns of the Admin basically boils down to institutional control. They don't want to get to a situation where the NCAA comes in sometime in the future and tags MU with 'lack of institutional control.' If Buzz was thinking over the last two years that he had total control over the program and he was off on an island and could deal with all problems internally, then, yes, that would be a concern of the Administration and rightly so. So if the two parties can get over that major bump, there could be less tension in the future. Time will tell.

seinfeld or muguru...

where/how does the player(s) being pushed out figure in to all of this? especially (as been reported by you guys) since the player isn't out due to behavior/conduct.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 18, 2012, 08:46:19 AM
2002
Exactly right on the Penn State comment. My only concern on the issue was/is MU going to too far to protect itself or is there real issues. The issues we know about are troublesome but not really out of the norm in todays world of sports. If MU has concerns they have every right to make the call seem fit. This fan hopes that a way to make everyone happy can be found in upcoming months.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 18, 2012, 09:00:18 AM
Madtownwarrior:  "ignorance is bliss."
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Aughnanure on April 18, 2012, 09:01:21 AM
Sultan
Sad thing is I really wish we were wrong. Any naysayers have not stated one thing factual to prove our claims false, yet they stick with their opinion. You and I took heat for our comments based off sources and are told we are wrong....disappointing that a group of adults would lack the reasoning that we had nothing to gain from our posts. Big Daddy gets jerked off for stating DG had jersey backed after his 19 post and you would have thought he cured cancer. Funny thing is Big Daddy says one thing in forum and another off camera.

Do you do anything else other than talk about what you've talked about?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 18, 2012, 09:08:59 AM
I represent this remark.

I don't think basketball mercenary is inaccurate or unfair. Buzz has scraped and clawed his way to the top by taking the jobs nobody else was willing or wanted to do. He has definitely taken the road less traveled.

I would never say Buzz is a conman, but the dude isn't as dumb as he likes to play, and I would say the vast majority of his comments and statements are very well thought out. 

I like the guy, I hope he coaches at MU for a long time.

A mercenary is a hired gun who sells himself to the highest bidder without regard to principle. Buzz has already committed what some said would be professional suicide over principle (New Orleans) and nearly did it again last month. So to me mercenary doesn't fit.

As far as "playing dumb", I think that's inaccurate also. Buzz is young, grateful and respectful. Sometimes self-depricating, but of course he's smart. Very smart. That's a no brainer. Would we want him running our program if that wasn't the case?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: madtownwarrior on April 18, 2012, 09:09:36 AM
Sultan - pretending or portraying more than you really know is ignorance ...

continuing to say - "see, I knew what I was talking about cause Jason King says so is even more ignorance"


Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: madtownwarrior on April 18, 2012, 09:11:57 AM
I can see it now - 2014 when buzz is in the final four with MU - "we were right about that rift and him almost going to SMU..."



Do you do anything else other than talk about what you've talked about?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 18, 2012, 09:25:57 AM
+1.

Penn State didn't know it was "Penn State" before it was too late. All schools need to keep the checks and balances, even if it is uncomfortable sometimes.

What are you talking about? Penn State knew exactly who they were, just like Nixon and the Catholic Church did. They covered up for a serial child molester, and the cover up went right to the top. Any comparison to Penn State is absurd.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Benny B on April 18, 2012, 09:27:04 AM
Yes, I will state my sources.  I have none.  And that is the important part.  When s*it goes down, I usually get lots of e-mails and PMs.  I got none about this whole SMU thing, except for Goose trying to convince me he had good information (and I know of Goose's source).  A lack of a source is my source that everyone else was spewing s*it.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that several people around here know of Goose's source; coincidentally, these are the people who were never worried about Buzz leaving.

If you scour everything that's been said about Buzz and SMU over the past 60 days, you will find that every angle possible has been written/reported/tweeted by somebody somewhere.  Cherry-picking one article by Jason King does not validate anything except the fact that everyone has their own opinion.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 18, 2012, 09:31:34 AM
No it isn't ignorance and I never once said something that I didn't hear from people at MU. If you don't like what I have said that's fine by me.  But that won't stop me from forwarding it along. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 18, 2012, 09:40:34 AM
Sultan - pretending or portraying more than you really know is ignorance ...

continuing to say - "see, I knew what I was talking about cause Jason King says so is even more ignorance"




Madtown - I don't know how close Buzz came to leaving. All I know is that my source, who told me that Buzz was likely an MU lifer (in March 2011), told me in February of this year (before any of this SMU talk) that Buzz was very unhappy. Mock me if you like, but I trust my source.

I find it especially ironic that those who mocked IWB's report based their disdain on the fact that no national media was going with the story. Now you guys are mocking the same national media.

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: swoopem on April 18, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
Were any of you at the bball banquet? I ask this because I've heard from a few people that Buzz openly said he is sick of all the rumors and isn't going anywhere (I know he's a bball coach and you can't always take him at his word). He also said that he hasn't made the players who they are today and they have made him which is the reason he could never be able to leave them, kinda like last year with "I can't leave Junior, I can't leave Jae, etc".

This could have been just a nice thing to say in public to give the fans what they want to hear, or it could be the truth which is what I take it as. This all happened a month ago I'm sure that these GROWN MEN can work it out and get on the same page for the overall success of MU both on the court and off.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 09:45:26 AM
What are you talking about? Penn State knew exactly who they were, just like Nixon and the Catholic Church did. They covered up for a serial child molester, and the cover up went right to the top. Any comparison to Penn State is absurd.

The cover up, yes, Penn State knew who it was.

However, the lack of control leading up to that created to a culture where a cover-up was possible.

A lack of accountability for years at Penn State led to it's downfall, not one specific situation.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 09:47:01 AM
2002
Exactly right on the Penn State comment. My only concern on the issue was/is MU going to too far to protect itself or is there real issues. The issues we know about are troublesome but not really out of the norm in todays world of sports. If MU has concerns they have every right to make the call seem fit. This fan hopes that a way to make everyone happy can be found in upcoming months.

Totally fair. I don't want MU to put handcuffs on it's athletics. Nor do I think Buzz & co. have done anything egregious.

But, there needs to be accountability, and if that is where the alleged friction began, hopefully it can be worked out.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MerrittsMustache on April 18, 2012, 09:51:19 AM
No it isn't ignorance and I never once said something that I didn't hear from people at MU. If you don't like what I have said that's fine by me.  But that won't stop me from forwarding it along. 

My first boss once told me that the opposite of ignorant is gullible. That was nearly 10 years ago and I still have no idea if it makes sense or if he was insulting me. I also don't think it necessarily applies here but it sounds good when you say it to subordinates.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: strotty on April 18, 2012, 10:07:06 AM
Were any of you at the bball banquet? I ask this because I've heard from a few people that Buzz openly said he is sick of all the rumors and isn't going anywhere (I know he's a bball coach and you can't always take him at his word). He also said that he hasn't made the players who they are today and they have made him which is the reason he could never be able to leave them, kinda like last year with "I can't leave Junior, I can't leave Jae, etc".

This could have been just a nice thing to say in public to give the fans what they want to hear, or it could be the truth which is what I take it as. This all happened a month ago I'm sure that these GROWN MEN can work it out and get on the same page for the overall success of MU both on the court and off.

Ironically, he said it during his presentation of giving DJO the "Sacrifice for the String" award.

He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...

But he has said it in the past, specifically referencing Cadougan and Otule (seniors next year).
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Bocephys on April 18, 2012, 10:11:14 AM
Ironically, he said it during his presentation of giving DJO the "Sacrifice for the String" award.

He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...

But he has said it in the past, specifically referencing Cadougan and Otule (seniors next year).

So Otule's sixth year should buy us some time.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 18, 2012, 10:15:03 AM


He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...



Buzz to the Minnesota Timberwolves?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 18, 2012, 10:36:28 AM
My gut tells me that the BOT and admin have a ton of inside information that will either confirm Buzz needs to stay or move on. I may have had knee jerk reaction that was based solely off my desire of the program being elite and not the best interest of the school in general. No doubt everyone involves knows importance of ball to the school. Hate to say it, but if something does happen in the coaching situation down the road I do think it will be a well thought out decision.
Good news is everyone involved has time to figure things out. Buzz very well might be a loose cannon and that might not be a good thing. Time is on everyone's side to find out what is best for all parties.
So you're no longer hoping for Buzz to "stick it to 'em", with "'em" being the University we are all here to cheer for?

If Buzz leaves there would be a very large number of folks cancel tickets. Buzz is in th drivers seat and he school knows it. They let him get more power than they wanted and the power is growing by the hour.

Stick it to 'em Buzz.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 18, 2012, 10:50:22 AM
The cover up, yes, Penn State knew who it was.

However, the lack of control leading up to that created to a culture where a cover-up was possible.

A lack of accountability for years at Penn State led to it's downfall, not one specific situation.

All the "lack of control", "created a culture" mumbo jumbo aside, Penn State's downfall was most certainly caused by a specific situation - the raping of young boys by Jerry Sandusky and the failure of the people in charge to report/put an end to it. Specific people failed the University and Sandusky's victims in specific situations. Period.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: lab_warrior on April 18, 2012, 10:56:58 AM
Unless he was physically in the room or literally on the phone at the same time as Buzz and SMU, there's no way he knows this except hearing it secondhand. Now it's being reported as fact, and soon a 10,000 page thread will result on MUScoop. I suppose now you all believe in snarks and grumpkins as well.

Yes, yes, and yes.  This thread probably could probably just have stopped at this post. 

"Butbutbutbutbutbut... JASON KING said..."  Scott Templeton, anyone?

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDSPzTEqlqfes6aJgL0b2wj3nWqPOHVYWN6VhDeCjBat6_mjg-0KWs-hzw4A)

Give me a break.  Buzz was never going anywhere.  MOVING ALONG NOW.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 18, 2012, 11:10:29 AM
He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...

But he has said it in the past, specifically referencing Cadougan and Otule (seniors next year).
So he promised to wait until late May?  DJO is not going to be with the team next year, so promising not to leave him isn't saying much.
That being said, he's not going anywhere.


Ironically, he said it during his presentation of giving DJO the "Sacrifice for the String" award.
I'm still pissed that they stopped handing out the Oluoma Nnamaka Consistency Award.

2007-08: Jerel McNeal
2006-07: Wesley Matthews
2005-06: Chris Grimm
2004-05: Ousmane Barro and Dan Fitzgerald
2003-04: ??? can't find it anywhere
2002-03: Terry Sanders
2001-02: Oluoma Nnamaka (it was just called the Consistency Award then)
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 11:13:23 AM
All the "lack of control", "created a culture" mumbo jumbo aside, Penn State's downfall was most certainly caused by a specific situation - the raping of young boys by Jerry Sandusky and the failure of the people in charge to report/put an end to it. Specific people failed the University and Sandusky's victims in specific situations. Period.

Mumbo jumbo?

Jerry was allowed to get away with everything for years because people worshiped at the alter of football, and JoePa.

When people know something is wrong, but NOBODY speaks up because it would hurt "the program"... that is a most certainly a culture problem.

It doesn't matter what the wrongdoing was, nobody at Penn State was speaking up, and that's the root of the issue.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: lab_warrior on April 18, 2012, 11:21:28 AM
Agreed. Clowns on ESPN report possible moves, contracts, etc... all the time citing "sources." If it turns out that they were "almost right" that doesn't mean they didn't just make it up in the first place.

A -YUP! It isn't just sports journalists, too, lots of other news media s***heads get in on the fun.  See:  Judith Miller's stellar WMD in Iraq reporting, circa 2003, and Dan Rather's super helpful analysis of the fake GW Bush Air Natl. Guard documents in 2004.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mu03eng on April 18, 2012, 12:12:50 PM
Mumbo jumbo?

Jerry was allowed to get away with everything for years because people worshiped at the alter of football, and JoePa.

When people know something is wrong, but NOBODY speaks up because it would hurt "the program"... that is a most certainly a culture problem.

It doesn't matter what the wrongdoing was, nobody at Penn State was speaking up, and that's the root of the issue.

It was absolutely a culture problem....even some of the BOT at Penn State knew about the Sandusky allegations as far back as 2009(including the now Governor of Pennsylvania who started the investigation as AG), and yet did nothing about it.  That is all a culture problem.  MU isn't even close to that kind of problem, just a little course correction for some of the athletics and we're all good
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MerrittsMustache on April 18, 2012, 12:13:35 PM
So he promised to wait until late May?  DJO is not going to be with the team next year, so promising not to leave him isn't saying much.
That being said, he's not going anywhere.

I'm still pissed that they stopped handing out the Oluoma Nnamaka Consistency Award.

2007-08: Jerel McNeal
2006-07: Wesley Matthews
2005-06: Chris Grimm
2004-05: Ousmane Barro and Dan Fitzgerald
2003-04: ??? can't find it anywhere
2002-03: Terry Sanders
2001-02: Oluoma Nnamaka (it was just called the Consistency Award then)

Doesn't changing the name of the Consistency Award go against the nature of the award?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 12:22:01 PM
It was absolutely a culture problem....even some of the BOT at Penn State knew about the Sandusky allegations as far back as 2009(including the now Governor of Pennsylvania who started the investigation as AG), and yet did nothing about it.  That is all a culture problem.  MU isn't even close to that kind of problem, just a little course correction for some of the athletics and we're all good

Agree.

In no way am I implying that MU has problems advanced as Penn State.

I'm implying that all schools need to have structure and accountability. The head coach of the football or basketball team cannot at the top of that structure.

IF that causes friction for a head coach, then the AD and U President need to get that squared away and clarify the expectations.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 18, 2012, 12:26:59 PM
Mumbo jumbo?

Jerry was allowed to get away with everything for years because people worshiped at the alter of football, and JoePa.

When people know something is wrong, but NOBODY speaks up because it would hurt "the program"... that is a most certainly a culture problem.

It doesn't matter what the wrongdoing was, nobody at Penn State was speaking up, and that's the root of the issue.

When the PEOPLE in charge know something is wrong and cover it up, it's the fault of the PEOPLE in charge. Blaming dereliction of duty on something amorphous like the culture is a copout.

Whether it's the Chuch, the presidency or Penn State the powers that be made the self serving, shortsighted decision that covering up bad news is somehow in the institution's (and their own) best interest.

How this has anything to do with MU's situation is beyond me.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 12:29:54 PM
When the PEOPLE in charge know something is wrong and cover it up, it's the fault of the PEOPLE in charge. Blaming dereliction of duty on something amorphous like the culture is a copout.  

I respectfully disagree. Culture plays a huge role in how people act/react.

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 18, 2012, 12:30:10 PM
I'm still pissed that they stopped handing out the Oluoma Nnamaka Consistency Award.

2007-08: Jerel McNeal
2006-07: Wesley Matthews
2005-06: Chris Grimm
2004-05: Ousmane Barro and Dan Fitzgerald
2003-04: ??? can't find it anywhere
2002-03: Terry Sanders
2001-02: Oluoma Nnamaka (it was just called the Consistency Award then)

Maybe they are just handing it out inconsistently
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Rubie Q on April 18, 2012, 01:04:50 PM
Jason King just reported on ESPN regarding SMU HC search:

"SMU initially went after Marquette's Buzz Williams who was very close to taking the job before backing out at the last second..."

Wow. Perhaps it was much closer and serious than we thought. Incredible.

King is a pretty solid source and that quote is pretty definitive.

I don't think King used the words "at the last second," unless I'm watching a different video than everybody else.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/58064/video-jason-king-on-smu-larry-brown
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 18, 2012, 01:48:08 PM
How can a university screw up the relationship with its number 1 asset?  How can a coach spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year with 13 players?  Young men 18-22 make mistakes. 

Sure hope Buzz doesn't leave, but if MU doesn't get it right with Buzz - MU hoops as you've known it these last 10 years is over.  Be ready for a return to the Mike Deane days.  Sadly believe the new administration has an arrogance about it that is reminiscent of the DiUlio days...

Complete. Rubbish. 

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Benny B on April 18, 2012, 01:59:42 PM
How can a university screw up the relationship with its number 1 asset?  How can a coach spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year with 13 players?  Young men 18-22 make mistakes. 

Sure hope Buzz doesn't leave, but if MU doesn't get it right with Buzz - MU hoops as you've known it these last 10 years is over.  Be ready for a return to the Mike Deane days.  Sadly believe the new administration has an arrogance about it that is reminiscent of the DiUlio days...

Complete. Rubbish. 

Grab the popcorn and put the kids to bed... it's about to get crazy in here.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Skatastrophy on April 18, 2012, 02:19:54 PM
Complete. Rubbish. 

Dunno if I'd go as far as rubbish, but it is some Chicken Little "The sky is falling" conjecture. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 18, 2012, 02:35:28 PM
Complete. Rubbish.  


 And it's rubbish because......
              Buzz is not MU's Number one asset?
              Young men 18-22 shouldn't be expected to make mistakes?
              The "new" MU administration is not arrogant and believes it has all the answers?
              It would be easy to replace Buzz without missing a beat?

Please advise.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 18, 2012, 03:03:29 PM
  And it's rubbish because......
              Buzz is not MU's Number one asset?
              Young men 18-22 shouldn't be expected to make mistakes?
              The "new" MU administration is not arrogant and believes it has all the answers?
              It would be easy to replace Buzz without missing a beat?

Please advise.


It's rubbish because Marquette basketball is more than just one man.  We have made the S16 with three of the last four coaches.  If Buzz leaves, it would be difficult to replace him, but hardly impossible.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: real chili 83 on April 18, 2012, 03:19:50 PM
Just listened to the King interview on ESPN.

No substance. None what so ever.  Nada. Zilch.  Zippo.

Did your hear that Durley has a 195 mph fastball?

I appreciate Goose and Sultan's (and others), who have friends, relatives, lovers, spies, moles, and confidants that walk the campus and pick up pieces of intel to share with us.

Keep sharing.  However, this King interview has no substance.  Is that what this whole thread was started on!?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 18, 2012, 03:25:08 PM

It's rubbish because Marquette basketball is more than just one man.  We have made the S16 with three of the last four coaches.  If Buzz leaves, it would be difficult to replace him, but hardly impossible.

Agreed. No one is irreplaceable.  But, college BB is virtually dependent on recruiting, kids do not commit to schools making the loss of a high profile devastating for a 2-4 year period at most schools.  And I'm not 25 any more so I'm hoping to continue seeing MU be an elite team, now.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 18, 2012, 03:38:52 PM

It's rubbish because Marquette basketball is more than just one man.  We have made the S16 with three of the last four coaches.  If Buzz leaves, it would be difficult to replace him, but hardly impossible.

MU had exactly 2 Sweet 16 appearances from 1977 until 2011...Buzz just got us 2 in a row.  Who is the last coach to take us to multiple Sweet 16's?   Which coaches shot Marquette down after Crean left (even though we were already in the Big East and had the Al McGuire center)?  Has Buzz missed an NCAA tourney since he's been here?  Do we think next year's team will miss the NCAA's?  Who is last coach to take us to 5 consecutive NCAA's?  MU struck gold in both Tom Crean and Buzz Williams.  To think Top 100 talent (and coaches) are just beating down the door to come to MU is the height of optimism and or arrogance.  Kids come to play for a 95% for a coach, maybe 5% for the school...especially when not named Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, UCLA.

What is so different about our program now, than when Crean left MU from the perspective of MU being an attractive destination for a highly regarded coach/upcoming coach.  Bennett, Keno Davis, Anthony Grant all said thanks MU, but no thanks.

Sadly Sultan, it is your view that scares the hell out of me, as I can see the same view being held in administration...and quite frankly, it is arrogant and misguided.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: madtownwarrior on April 18, 2012, 03:49:03 PM
Keno Davis said thanks but no thanks - really?  nice stretch to make your point
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 18, 2012, 03:52:09 PM
Ners I said "difficult but not impossible.". Do you honestly think that is wrong?  If so than you either think too much of buzz or not enough of marquette.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 18, 2012, 03:57:41 PM
Ners I said "difficult but not impossible.". Do you honestly think that is wrong?  If so than you either think too much of buzz or not enough of marquette.

Do I think it is impossible?  No.  Will it be extremely difficult?  Absolutely.  Not trying to argue with you here...but the questions I posed in the previous post...I think...do raise some very legitimate concerns as to MU's place in the college basketball landscape (perception-wise), and with the even more unstable Big East these days - I think it is an even dicier deal than it was after Crean left.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 04:00:36 PM
MU had exactly 2 Sweet 16 appearances from 1977 until 2011...Buzz just got us 2 in a row.  Who is the last coach to take us to multiple Sweet 16's?   Which coaches shot Marquette down after Crean left (even though we were already in the Big East and had the Al McGuire center)?  Has Buzz missed an NCAA tourney since he's been here?  Do we think next year's team will miss the NCAA's?  Who is last coach to take us to 5 consecutive NCAA's?  MU struck gold in both Tom Crean and Buzz Williams.  To think Top 100 talent (and coaches) are just beating down the door to come to MU is the height of optimism and or arrogance.  Kids come to play for a 95% for a coach, maybe 5% for the school...especially when not named Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, UCLA.

What is so different about our program now, than when Crean left MU from the perspective of MU being an attractive destination for a highly regarded coach/upcoming coach.  Bennett, Keno Davis, Anthony Grant all said thanks MU, but no thanks.

Sadly Sultan, it is your view that scares the hell out of me, as I can see the same view being held in administration...and quite frankly, it is arrogant and misguided.

I think there is some truth here... but even if you are 100% right, what is MU supposed to do?

They already pay Buzz very well. They give him a private plane and what appears like a ton of support from the athletic office.

What else should they be doing to hang onto the golden goose?

MU certainly isn't the hottest girl at the dance, but MU seems to be doing the best it can (given what it is working with).
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 18, 2012, 04:01:17 PM
Ners I said "difficult but not impossible.". Do you honestly think that is wrong?  If so than you either think too much of buzz or not enough of marquette.
I think Ners has proven both of those to be the case.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: seinfeld on April 18, 2012, 04:01:47 PM
MU had exactly 2 Sweet 16 appearances from 1977 until 2011...Buzz just got us 2 in a row.  Who is the last coach to take us to multiple Sweet 16's?   Which coaches shot Marquette down after Crean left (even though we were already in the Big East and had the Al McGuire center)?  Has Buzz missed an NCAA tourney since he's been here?  Do we think next year's team will miss the NCAA's?  Who is last coach to take us to 5 consecutive NCAA's?  MU struck gold in both Tom Crean and Buzz Williams.  To think Top 100 talent (and coaches) are just beating down the door to come to MU is the height of optimism and or arrogance.  Kids come to play for a 95% for a coach, maybe 5% for the school...especially when not named Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, UCLA.

What is so different about our program now, than when Crean left MU from the perspective of MU being an attractive destination for a highly regarded coach/upcoming coach.  Bennett, Keno Davis, Anthony Grant all said thanks MU, but no thanks.

Sadly Sultan, it is your view that scares the hell out of me, as I can see the same view being held in administration...and quite frankly, it is arrogant and misguided.


no, i think it is arrogant and misguided to think that the only reason that Buzz would leave is that the administration 'didn't get it right.' It couldn't possibly be that Buzz would be hardheaded and think that he should have complete control over the basketball program and operate it on an island separate from the rest of the school. That he would think that off court issues should be dealt with internally within the athletic department. To expect an administration to just accept a situation in which a coach has no accountiblility is ridiculous. Hopefully the battle struggle has been cleared up and Buzz has accepted the fact that the Basketball program is part of the University and not THE university. If he hasn't then, bye, bye, we don't need him.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 18, 2012, 04:04:28 PM
I think there is some truth here... but even if you are 100% right, what is MU supposed to do?

They already pay Buzz very well. They give him a private plane and what appears like a ton of support from the athletic office.

What else should they be doing to hang onto the golden goose?

MU certainly isn't the hottest girl at the dance, but MU seems to be doing the best it can (given what it is working with).
Apparently it is the opinion of some that they also need to let Buzz and his subordinates do whatever they want with no repercussions whatsoever.  Basically Buzz should really be the one making decisions for Marquette, deferring to Pilarz and the BOT on issues he deems unworthy of his time.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 18, 2012, 04:06:55 PM
I think there is some truth here... but even if you are 100% right, what is MU supposed to do?

They already pay Buzz very well. They give him a private plane and what appears like a ton of support from the athletic office.

What else should they be doing to hang onto the golden goose?

MU certainly isn't the hottest girl at the dance, but MU seems to be doing the best it can (given what it is working with).

They*** being the previous administration/regime...the new regime??  Questionable at best.  Saying you want to "help Buzz become a better coach," and that he "ties his tie too tight to where he will either offend someone beyond repair or himself," isn't exactly the stuff a sensible A.D., would quote to a local newspaper.  Has Larry Williams ever been a Head Coach at a Division 1 school?? No..yet he's gonna help Buzz become a better coach?  Arrogant.  Don't care who you are, if you are being honest with yourself...you really don't like your new boss of roughly 90 days calling you out in the local newspaper after you've toiled 4 years on gotten the program's best results in 40 years.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 18, 2012, 04:15:43 PM
Off court issues....Jesus...getting WAY blown out of proportion.  Have Buzz or MU or the players for that matter ever been allowed to tell their side of the story as to all of the off court "incidents."  The bar fight the local media floated insinuating that DJO left somebody in a really bad way..perhaps using a bottle to hit someone??  Totally false.  Kids weren't even drinking at a club for God sakes.  Anyone know what some local townie punk kids might have said to instigate things?

The local media are on a witch hunt...period...and MU continues to take a kitten approach to the witch hunt.  MU continues to allow itself to be bullied by the local media..and the only way you back down the bully is to bully back.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: seinfeld on April 18, 2012, 04:18:38 PM
Off court issues....Jesus...getting WAY blown out of proportion.  Have Buzz or MU or the players for that matter ever been allowed to tell their side of the story as to all of the off court "incidents."  The bar fight the local media floated insinuating that DJO left somebody in a really bad way..perhaps using a bottle to hit someone??  Totally false.  Kids weren't even drinking at a club for God sakes.  Anyone know what some local townie punk kids might have said to instigate things?

The local media are on a witch hunt...period...and MU continues to take a kitten approach to the witch hunt.  MU continues to allow itself to be bullied by the local media..and the only way you back down the bully is to bully back.

The issue is the accountibility of Buzz. He is not the boss. He does not run the University.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 04:32:13 PM
They*** being the previous administration/regime...the new regime??  Questionable at best.  Saying you want to "help Buzz become a better coach," and that he "ties his tie too tight to where he will either offend someone beyond repair or himself," isn't exactly the stuff a sensible A.D., would quote to a local newspaper.  Has Larry Williams ever been a Head Coach at a Division 1 school?? No..yet he's gonna help Buzz become a better coach?  Arrogant.  Don't care who you are, if you are being honest with yourself...you really don't like your new boss of roughly 90 days calling you out in the local newspaper after you've toiled 4 years on gotten the program's best results in 40 years.

Here is where you lose me.

I don't think Buzz is that thin skinned, nor do I think LW comments were as bad as people make them out to be. I cannot imagine that is the reason Buzz would leave to take the SMU job.

If Buzz is really that thin skinned, then he really should move on. Buzz has said things far more harsh about his own players.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 18, 2012, 04:32:47 PM
Ners. Regarding LW comments:  that isn't arrogant. All bosses want to improve their employees. My boss cannot do my job but if he said that he wanted to help me be better, I would be happy.

Re the media: fighting back would only make it worse. Believe me.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 18, 2012, 04:40:59 PM
The issue is the accountibility of Buzz. He is not the boss. He does not run the University.
All coaches answer to the AD. But publicly calling the coach out is a very poor and IMO stupid approach by LW. It smacks of arrogance at a time when harmony, support and continuity are needed. Some tact would go a long way in smoothing things over.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on April 18, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
The air and space museum in Tucson is pretty sweet.  couple of hogs there on display.

Is that the Pima Air Museum? Great collection of aircraft. I woould wander the yard if I had a few hours to kill. That's down near Fred Enke which is a sweet desert course we always played
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 18, 2012, 05:52:04 PM
All coaches answer to the AD. But publicly calling the coach out is a very poor and IMO stupid approach by LW. It smacks of arrogance at a time when harmony, support and continuity are needed. Some tact would go a long way in smoothing things over.

Calling out a coach in the local newspaper who has been the most successful coach of the university's flagship program since Al McGuire is idiotic.  What credentials does Larry Williams have that make him qualified to "help Buzz become a better coach?" 

If anyone can find anything similar - where an A.D., calls out a coach who is probably the best coach in the country under the age of 40, and overall probably a Top 10 desired coach in college basketball, who does not embarrass the university through his own personal conduct...I'd love to see an example of it.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Bocephys on April 18, 2012, 05:56:04 PM
Calling out a coach in the local newspaper who has been the most successful coach of the university's flagship program since Al McGuire is idiotic.  What credentials does Larry Williams have that make him qualified to "help Buzz become a better coach?" 

If anyone can find anything similar - where an A.D., calls out a coach who is probably the best coach in the country under the age of 40, and overall probably a Top 10 desired coach in college basketball, who does not embarrass the university through his own personal conduct...I'd love to see an example of it.

That's the best and most important point.  He'd been on the job for about 6 hours before thinking he had all the answers and that his way was best.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 18, 2012, 05:56:50 PM
Ners. Regarding LW comments:  that isn't arrogant. All bosses want to improve their employees. My boss cannot do my job but if he said that he wanted to help me be better, I would be happy.

Re the media: fighting back would only make it worse. Believe me.

The only issue is that your boss wanting you to improve probably would not be done in such a public manner.  Can't imagine you'd really appreciate or want to work hard for a guy that just came in 90 days prior after you've produced banner results for 4 years...who (on an equivalent level) pulls the whole organization you work for together and publicly reprimands you and tells you you tie your tie too tight, etc.., and that he is going to help you be a better employee...yet he has never served in the capacity in which you work.  Keep in mind...you've produced better results than anyone in your same position over the last 40 years...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: lurch91 on April 18, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
I think this, Buzz HAD to let slip to some media that he was serously considering leaving, otherwise he'd have no leaverage NOW or in the FUTURE.  If Buzz and the media said this was nothing, how serious would MU take the next possible "Buzz to ?"
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 06:04:30 PM
Calling out a coach in the local newspaper who has been the most successful coach of the university's flagship program since Al McGuire is idiotic.  What credentials does Larry Williams have that make him qualified to "help Buzz become a better coach?" 

If anyone can find anything similar - where an A.D., calls out a coach who is probably the best coach in the country under the age of 40, and overall probably a Top 10 desired coach in college basketball, who does not embarrass the university through his own personal conduct...I'd love to see an example of it.

Buzz has never played D1 ball, but he has called out his own players, specifically Gardner even after Gardner plays well. Just sayin'.

In your opinion, are Larry's comment enough to make Buzz leave MU? What can/should MU do to keep Buzz? Should Pilarz consider firing Larry for his comments?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 18, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Buzz has never played D1 ball, but he has called out his own players, specifically Gardner even after Gardner plays well. Just sayin'.

In your opinion, are Larry's comment enough to make Buzz leave MU? What can/should MU do to keep Buzz? Should Pilarz consider firing Larry for his comments?
  Just sayin'?  Gardner was recruited by Buzz.  He's here  because of Buzz.  LW did not recruit Buzz. Buzz is not here because of LW and at this point may be here in spite of it.  Buzz is not his guy.  You may not like it, but, the program revolves around Buzz, not around the AD.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 06:22:57 PM
  Just sayin'?  Gardner was recruited by Buzz.  He's here  because of Buzz.  LW did not recruit Buzz. Buzz is not here because of LW and at this point may be here in spite of it.  Buzz is not his guy.  You may not like it, but, the program revolves around Buzz, not around the AD.

OK, how about the guys Buzz didn't recruit and bitched out in practice? I think he had some sharp public comments about Acker as well, but I'd have to go back and look.

Again, Buzz is not this thin skinned, and IF LW's comments are what caused all of this, then maybe Buzz should've gone ahead and taken the SMU gig because this is never going to work.

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: WI inferiority Complexes on April 18, 2012, 06:36:30 PM

this King interview has no substance.  Is that what this whole thread was started on!?


Sadly, yes. But I don't think that horse will go back into the barn.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 18, 2012, 07:09:55 PM
OK, how about the guys Buzz didn't recruit and bitched out in practice? I think he had some sharp public comments about Acker as well, but I'd have to go back and look.

Again, Buzz is not this thin skinned, and IF LW's comments are what caused all of this, then maybe Buzz should've gone ahead and taken the SMU gig because this is never going to work.


It was working fine til the AD dissed him in public. Praise in public, criticize in private. Even the least tactful person in a high profile position, like a BE AD should have acquired this basic skill. He has been promoted beyond his ability and I hope his OJT does not cost us the best coach we have had in years.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 18, 2012, 07:12:10 PM
2002 - A coach can call out players..it is what a coach does. It's one thing if this is the Barry Alvarez and Bret Bielima gig...where one has coaching skins o. The wall and hand selected his predecessor. Totally different in this scenario. Buzz is bigger than LW..way bigger..as are any top flight high major coaches in basketball or football. How many schools are going to try to hire Larry Williams away from MU?  What value does Larry Williams brig to MU?  Why r college basketball and football coaches the highest paid at universities??

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 18, 2012, 07:17:13 PM
ATWiz
You are making big assumption that things were smooth prior to LW coming on board. He made stupid comments in the media but he is not the root of the problem. By now I think everyone understands that MU does not want a wild program, either on/off the court or in recruiting. It all comes down to control/power and Buzz is probably losing the fight.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 18, 2012, 07:24:31 PM
ATWiz
You are making big assumption that things were smooth prior to LW coming on board. He made stupid comments in the media but he is not the root of the problem. By now I think everyone understands that MU does not want a wild program, either on/off the court or in recruiting. It all comes down to control/power and Buzz is probably losing the fight.
Goose, IMO MU does not have a wild program. So, following your claim that Buzz is losing the battle, I can only hope that the admin sobers up before it reverses us to the pre-Crean era.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 18, 2012, 07:32:24 PM
Goose, IMO MU does not have a wild program. So, following your claim that Buzz is losing the battle, I can only hope that the admin sobers up before it reverses us to the pre-Crean era.


Just from reading between the lines of a lot of posts here, I get the feeling that they really wouldn't mind that, if it kept MU off the front page of the Trib.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 18, 2012, 07:39:19 PM

Just from reading between the lines of a lot of posts here, I get the feeling that they really wouldn't mind that, if it kept MU off the front page of the Trib.
well, then, that's the problem. And those who agree, after Buzz is run off don't complain about reverting to high mid major status.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: real chili 83 on April 18, 2012, 07:39:32 PM
Just listened to the King interview on ESPN.

No substance. None what so ever.  Nada. Zilch.  Zippo.

Did your hear that Durley has a 195 mph fastball?

I appreciate Goose and Sultan's (and others), who have friends, relatives, lovers, spies, moles, and confidants that walk the campus and pick up pieces of intel to share with us.

Keep sharing.  However, this King interview has no substance.  Is that what this whole thread was started on!?


Help me Mr. Wizard (for you younger folks, look it up).

Here we go again.  No facts.  Some talking head on ESPN is doing what he is paid to do...throw out some comments, and see what sticks.

Is there any coincidence that King's comments were made in the same time frame of Brown considering the LSU job?  Not sure yet how to connect all the dots yet, but something kinda smells.


Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 07:56:42 PM
It was working fine til the AD dissed him in public. Praise in public, criticize in private. Even the least tactful person in a high profile position, like a BE AD should have acquired this basic skill. He has been promoted beyond his ability and I hope hos OJT does not cost us the best coach we have had in years.

IF those comments are what drives Buzz away, then fine, he should go. I'll help him pack.

Truthfully, I don't think that this is the problem because buzz has worked for dozens of egomaniac head coaches over the years, so I'm sure he can handle this type of thing.

Quotes in the paper aren't going to run Buzz off. He's a tough hombre.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 18, 2012, 08:00:25 PM
Here is where you lose me.

I don't think Buzz is that thin skinned, nor do I think LW comments were as bad as people make them out to be. I cannot imagine that is the reason Buzz would leave to take the SMU job.

If Buzz is really that thin skinned, then he really should move on. Buzz has said things far more harsh about his own players.

I can't believe you keep repeating this mantra. Of course Buzz wouldn't leave over a couple of comments (no matter how douchie) by LW in the newspaper. Those comments are just a reflexion of a work environment that's deteriorated from ideal to not so hot in the past year for Buzz. This started before LW arrived.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 08:04:08 PM
2002 - A coach can call out players..it is what a coach does. It's one thing if this is the Barry Alvarez and Bret Bielima gig...where one has coaching skins o. The wall and hand selected his predecessor. Totally different in this scenario. Buzz is bigger than LW..way bigger..as are any top flight high major coaches in basketball or football. How many schools are going to try to hire Larry Williams away from MU?  What value does Larry Williams brig to MU?  Why r college basketball and football coaches the highest paid at universities??



Fine, but what is MU supposed to do? Buzz has to have a boss. He has to be accountable to SOMEBODY at SOME POINT, right?

You don't like Larry. Fine. Should it be Pilarz directly? What if they have "issues"? Should Buzz report to the Pope?

Buzz is VERY VALUABLE to MU, but just about every person in the world has a boss and is held accountable for their performance.

What is MU doing/saying that Buzz doesn't like? From the outside looking in, MU appears to have provided him with a lot, and in turn, he has been very successful.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: madtownwarrior on April 18, 2012, 08:06:42 PM
Hey - just heard that LW is pissed that Buzz took that last of the coffee and did not make a new pot...   

let's discuss for 10 pages of comments...


this thread is as ridiculous as my comments...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 08:07:53 PM
I can't believe you keep repeating this mantra. Of course Buzz wouldn't leave over a couple of comments (no matter how douchie) by LW in the newspaper. Those comments are just a reflexion of a work environment that's deteriorated from ideal to not so hot in the past year for Buzz. This started before LW arrived.

I'm not focused on the quotes.

That just seems to be the smoking gun that everybody is using to blame MU for why Buzz would consider leaving. Everybody uses that as some sort of stone cold proof.

I just don't see it.

MU appears to have done a lot of things right with hoops lately, and have supported Buzz financially. When/where is all of the deterioration coming from?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 18, 2012, 08:16:54 PM
I'm not focused on the quotes.

That just seems to be the smoking gun that everybody is using to blame MU for why Buzz would consider leaving. Everybody uses that as some sort of stone cold proof.

I just don't see it.

MU appears to have done a lot of things right with hoops lately, and have supported Buzz financially. When/where is all of the deterioration co
Oh no 2002. Let's not bring guns, esp. Smoking ones into it now!! (This is sarcasm)s sarcasm)
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 18, 2012, 08:49:42 PM
I'm not focused on the quotes.

That just seems to be the smoking gun that everybody is using to blame MU for why Buzz would consider leaving. Everybody uses that as some sort of stone cold proof.

I just don't see it.

MU appears to have done a lot of things right with hoops lately, and have supported Buzz financially. When/where is all of the deterioration coming from?

The MU that has done a lot of things right with hoops lately, is largely no longer around - as in Father Wild, Bill Cords, and Steve Cottingham.  This is a whole new administration, and it smells more like the DiUlio regime than the Wild regime...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 18, 2012, 08:57:09 PM
it smells more like the DiUlio regime than the Wild regime...

God help us
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mwbauer7 on April 18, 2012, 09:08:32 PM
This is a whole new administration, and it smells more like the DiUlio regime than the Wild regime...

Wait, is there a nickname more common than "Golden Eagles" amongst the 345 Division I basketball teams we need to worry about switching to?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 09:13:54 PM
The MU that has done a lot of things right with hoops lately, is largely no longer around - as in Father Wild, Bill Cords, and Steve Cottingham.  This is a whole new administration, and it smells more like the DiUlio regime than the Wild regime...

According to whom? The mystery quotes that made Buzz so mad he wanted to leave? (ALLEGEDLY)

Cottingham was ROASTED (unfairly) by some around here when he was hired. Now he's the gold standard?

Why are people so afraid of Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz? Dear Lord.

Maybe we all need to start debating how long and AD and President get before we can evaluate them. Can it be more than 6 months?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 18, 2012, 09:14:23 PM
I can't believe you keep repeating this mantra. Of course Buzz wouldn't leave over a couple of comments (no matter how douchie) by LW in the newspaper. Those comments are just a reflexion of a work environment that's deteriorated from ideal to not so hot in the past year for Buzz. This started before LW arrived.


I would assume the BOT hasn't changed much (if any) since Buzz was "happy", so you're saying it's Father P who Buzz doesn't get along with?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 18, 2012, 09:21:52 PM
Fine, but what is MU supposed to do? Buzz has to have a boss. He has to be accountable to SOMEBODY at SOME POINT, right?

You don't like Larry. Fine. Should it be Pilarz directly? What if they have "issues"? Should Buzz report to the Pope?

Buzz is VERY VALUABLE to MU, but just about every person in the world has a boss and is held accountable for their performance.

What is MU doing/saying that Buzz doesn't like? From the outside looking in, MU appears to have provided him with a lot, and in turn , he has been very successful.

Your sarcasm and yelling aside, of course Buzz has to report to someone and I don't think anyone suggested it be the Pope. Was there any "boss" problem when he was reporting to Fr Wild and Steve Cottingham? No. When Arkansas and Oklahoma came after him he wasn't interested. He didn't want to mess with happy. This year he reports to Fr Pilarz and Larry Williams and when SMU (a far lesser program) came calling he listened and listened hard. He obviously doesn't consider his new work environment conducive to happy. You can't fathom him not being happy because MU's checks aren't bouncing. Unfortunately, he can.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canadian Dimes on April 18, 2012, 09:29:05 PM
This whole thread is dumb.  Buzz has always stated he likes being at MU because its culture matches his.  So if he did in fact listen to SMU why would that surprise anyone??  A Christian school very close to home, that is attempting to join the bigtime I am not surprised that he would listen.  What would of surprised me was if he actually took it... And he is still at MU so whats the big deal?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 18, 2012, 09:31:00 PM
According to whom? The mystery quotes that made Buzz so mad he wanted to leave? (ALLEGEDLY)

Cottingham was ROASTED (unfairly) by some around here when he was hired. Now he's the gold standard?

Why are people so afraid of Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz? Dear Lord.

Maybe we all need to start debating how long and AD and President get before we can evaluate them. Can it be more than 6 months?

Have you ever worked for Fr Wild, Steve Cottingham, Fr Pilarz or Larry Williams? Do you even know any of them? Yet you'll "Dear Lord" the guy who has for being happy and comfortable with the guys who hired him but not so much with the guys who inherited him and maybe aren't so wild about him. (no pun intended) Why is this so hard for you to grasp?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 18, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Is that the Pima Air Museum? Great collection of aircraft. I woould wander the yard if I had a few hours to kill. That's down near Fred Enke which is a sweet desert course we always played

yes it is.

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Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: avid1010 on April 18, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
It was working fine til the AD dissed him in public. Praise in public, criticize in private. Even the least tactful person in a high profile position, like a BE AD should have acquired this basic skill. He has been promoted beyond his ability and I hope hos OJT does not cost us the best coach we have had in years.

i still haven't heard anything from a reliable source as to the background of this comment.  for all i know AD walks in Buzz' office, comment on how hilarious his dance was at WV since the jerks are leaving the BEAST, and then asks buzz if he's cool with the AD coming down on him a bit publicly for the dance.  smu calls to talk to buzz, and buzz says heck yeah i want to talk to them and be respectful to help get my assistant a job...and rumors start flying.

i'm not sure anyone with true insight into the BOT or upper admin is going to be posting it on the internet...and i think a lot of rumors get spread because people like to act like they know people. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: madtownwarrior on April 18, 2012, 09:49:40 PM
finally - a voice of fricken reason!


i still haven't heard anything from a reliable source as to the background of this comment.  for all i know AD walks in Buzz' office, comment on how hilarious his dance was at WV since the jerks are leaving the BEAST, and then asks buzz if he's cool with the AD coming down on him a bit publicly for the dance.  smu calls to talk to buzz, and buzz says heck yeah i want to talk to them and be respectful to help get my assistant a job...and rumors start flying.

i'm not sure anyone with true insight into the BOT or upper admin is going to be posting it on the internet...and i think a lot of rumors get spread because people like to act like they know people. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: wildbill sb on April 18, 2012, 10:11:04 PM
This whole thread is dumb.  Buzz has always stated he likes being at MU because its culture matches his.  So if he did in fact listen to SMU why would that surprise anyone??  A Christian school very close to home, that is attempting to join the bigtime I am not surprised that he would listen.  What would of surprised me was if he actually took it... And he is still at MU so whats the big deal?

Amen, brother. Amen.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 10:15:09 PM
Have you ever worked for Fr Wild, Steve Cottingham, Fr Pilarz or Larry Williams? Do you even know any of them? Yet you'll "Dear Lord" the guy who has for being happy and comfortable with the guys who hired him but not so much with the guys who inherited him and maybe aren't so wild about him. (no pun intended) Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

None of us have worked for these guys, yet some are ready to automatically blame the new guys for an alleged strain in the relationship with the coach and are predicting a precipitous fall of MU athletics.

My whole point is that we don't know what is going on, so why do some automatically believe MU has wronged Buzz? We've heard weird rumors and innuendo on the internet, but nothing to really indicate if Buzz was leaving because he wanted to go back to TX, or if it was because "MU messed with his happy."
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on April 18, 2012, 10:18:36 PM
Your sarcasm and yelling aside, of course Buzz has to report to someone and I don't think anyone suggested it be the Pope. Was there any "boss" problem when he was reporting to Fr Wild and Steve Cottingham? No. When Arkansas and Oklahoma came after him he wasn't interested. He didn't want to mess with happy. This year he reports to Fr Pilarz and Larry Williams and when SMU (a far lesser program) came calling he listened and listened hard. He obviously doesn't consider his new work environment conducive to happy. You can't fathom him not being happy because MU's checks aren't bouncing. Unfortunately, he can.
Forget it.

Mods, feel free to delete.

I've overstayed my welcome on this topic.

Nothing more to say.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 18, 2012, 11:01:59 PM
Ners I said "difficult but not impossible.". Do you honestly think that is wrong?  If so than you either think too much of buzz or not enough of marquette.

I disagree with difficult but not impossible.  Mostly because it implies that another Buzz Williams can be found, and seems to say that that will happen, if Marquette tries really, really hard.  Well SMU just tried really really hard and missed on their first 4(?) choices. 

Instead of talking about difficulty, I think its more accurate to talk about probabilities.  To me Buzz has already outperformed Tom Crean substantially, and could possibly, but not likely be in the same league as Al.  Realistically, McGuire was a once in a century coach.  Buzz is at least a once in a generation coach.  The only way Marquette gets that kind of coach again is by going the assistant coach route, and getting very lucky, regardless of how hard they try.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MU82 on April 18, 2012, 11:10:02 PM
Well, there are few guarantees in life, but this comes close to being one: Marquette will have to replace Buzz someday.

Probably before the decade ends, possibly before the decade reaches its midway point and perhaps as early as a year from now.

It's college coaching. It's what happens.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 18, 2012, 11:30:41 PM
I can say without any degree of speculation, and 100% confidence - Buzz to SMU damn near happened.  To those who mocked the letter writing campaign thread to state their support of Buzz - you probably can thank those people (who wrote) for Buzz still being the Head Coach at MU.  Buzz is still at MU due to 2 things and 2 things only:  Loyalty to the kids he's recruited and due to the many letters of support he received as this whole crap storm unfolded. 

The reality is Buzz went from happy to unhappy in a matter of 1 year, during which time a new President and Athletic Director came into power.  If Pilarz and L Williams manage to run off Buzz due to overreaching micromanagement, the aftermath will be quite interesting...and sad for MU Basketball moving forward.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Warriors10 on April 19, 2012, 12:06:54 AM
Come on 90 more pages!

Buzz was close to being gone, and if you don't believe that, then you are in for a rude awakening in the coming years.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: strotty on April 19, 2012, 12:08:11 AM
Well, there are few guarantees in life, but this comes close to being one: Marquette will have to replace Buzz someday.

Probably before the decade ends, possibly before the decade reaches its midway point and perhaps as early as a year from now.

It's college coaching. It's what happens.

Can we make this the last post of the thread and then lock it? This says it all. Well-put.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 19, 2012, 03:14:43 AM
Can we make this the last post of the thread and then lock it? This says it all. Well-put.

Why would we do that? We have the opportunity to break the current record!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: brewcity77 on April 19, 2012, 06:46:25 AM
Well, there are few guarantees in life, but this comes close to being one: Marquette will have to replace Buzz someday.

That one's definitely a guarantee, unless the world ends. Even if he sees out his career here, he'll eventually have to be replaced.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 19, 2012, 09:03:29 AM
I can say without any degree of speculation, and 100% confidence - Buzz to SMU damn near happened.  To those who mocked the letter writing campaign thread to state their support of Buzz - you probably can thank those people (who wrote) for Buzz still being the Head Coach at MU.  Buzz is still at MU due to 2 things and 2 things only:  Loyalty to the kids he's recruited and due to the many letters of support he received as this whole crap storm unfolded. 

The reality is Buzz went from happy to unhappy in a matter of 1 year, during which time a new President and Athletic Director came into power.  If Pilarz and L Williams manage to run off Buzz due to overreaching micromanagement, the aftermath will be quite interesting...and sad for MU Basketball moving forward.

+1 .. I'd add that the root cause of Buzz going unhappy is the academic and off-court behavior of some players .. that's what got the ball rolling.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 09:11:08 AM
Calling out a coach in the local newspaper who has been the most successful coach of the university's flagship program since Al McGuire is idiotic.  What credentials does Larry Williams have that make him qualified to "help Buzz become a better coach?"  

If anyone can find anything similar - where an A.D., calls out a coach who is probably the best coach in the country under the age of 40, and overall probably a Top 10 desired coach in college basketball, who does not embarrass the university through his own personal conduct...I'd love to see an example of it.
Like it or not, that quote was made immediately following an incident in which Buzz's personal conduct could have been seen as embarrassing to the university.  So your hypothetical doesn't even match this case, let alone others.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 19, 2012, 09:27:29 AM
 And it's rubbish because......
              Buzz is not MU's Number one asset?
              Young men 18-22 shouldn't be expected to make mistakes?
              The "new" MU administration is not arrogant and believes it has all the answers?
              It would be easy to replace Buzz without missing a beat?

Please advise.

Rubbish for any number of reasons.

1) During the Mike Deane era, which the said poster implies we would be on a crash course to land in, did not have:

The Big East
The Al McGuire Center
A Final Four, two additional Sweet 16's and 8 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years
#2 Basketball budget in the country
Dwyane Wade, Steve Novak, Jimmy Butler, Wesley Matthews, Lazar Hayward, etc playing in the NBA night in and night out as MU billboards

The Deane era had none of that.  Is Ners suggesting we are going to tear down the Al center?  Are we leaving the Big East?  Are all those MU NBA players quitting?  Are they stripping us from our Final Four and NCAA success?  Even if we were to pull back on the budget from #2 to say #15, it will hardly cripple us and send us back to the future.  COMPLETE. RUBBISH.

2) Marquette can hire another coach.  We have won with other coaches in the past and will again in the future.  Sultan does a nice job of explaining why.

3) Marquette is its own #1 asset.  Without MU, Buzz isn’t the coach.  MU isn’t MU because of Buzz.  He doesn’t walk on water.  He is a terrific coach, tireless worker but he makes mistakes, too (Durley, Roseboro, Clark, Newbill).  No one is irreplaceable.

4) The same guys that say MU will go into the toilet if Buzz leaves are the exact same guys that predicted the former coach would be fired by now at his new job.  We're supposed to believe their predictions about impending doom for MU if Buzz leaves, but ignore their past predictions that have been so completely wrong?

Complete. Rubbish.

Does it strike anyone that some of these fans are angry that Buzz has a boss?  I can think of a number of guys that seem downright upset that he not only has a boss but bosses and has to be accountable to them.  They just want Buzz to be left alone to do his thing.  No oversight, just let him do what he needs to do to win.  I don't think I am off base with that conclusion.  It seems to irritate the hell out of some fans that Buzz has people he is responsible to and they wish they would just get out of the way.  
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 19, 2012, 09:29:11 AM
Like it or not, that quote was made immediately following an incident in which Buzz's personal conduct could have been seen as embarrassing to the university.  So your hypothetical doesn't even match this case, let alone others.

I figured someone would point this out...problem is MU and society to an extent have become overly politically correct.  Al McGuire's behavior was revered - standing on scorer's tables etc.  The over-reaction of the MU administration to Buzz's West Virginia dance was further evidence that "fun" can no longer be had at MU.  Buzz's dance after the Louisville game where DJO did the follow up dunk, and his West Virginia dance - went viral - and by and large anyone with a spirit of fun could appreciate the exuberance.  But not the self righteous among our fanbase/administration.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 19, 2012, 09:34:13 AM
Rubbish for any number of reasons.

1) During the Mike Deane era, which the said poster implies we would be on a crash course to land in, did not have:

The Big East
The Al McGuire Center
A Final Four, two additional Sweet 16's and 8 NCAA appearances in the last 10 years
#2 Basketball budget in the country
Dwyane Wade, Steve Novak, Jimmy Butler, Wesley Matthews, Lazar Hayward, etc playing in the NBA night in and night out as MU billboards

The Deane era had none of that.  Is Ners suggesting we are going to tear down the Al center?  Are we leaving the Big East?  Are all those MU NBA players quitting?  Are they stripping us from our Final Four and NCAA success?  Even if we were to pull back on the budget from #2 to say #15, it will hardly cripple us and send us back to the future.  COMPLETE. RUBBISH.


4) The same guys that say MU will go into the toilet if Buzz leaves are the exact same guys that predicted the former coach would be fired by now at his new gig.  We're supposed to believe their predictions about impending doom for MU but ignore their past predictions that have so completely wrong? I find the humor in their predictions to be just a bit sprinkled with hypocrisy and a healthy layer of bias in both of these examples.

Complete. Rubbish.

Funny that many here know you predicted MU would go into the toilet if it hired Buzz Williams..remember all of your backlash about the "process?"  And if you'd read my previous post - I'd already pointed out why The Al Mc Guire Center, a STRONGER Big East, recent success weren't enough to land even a highly regarded young coach like Anthony Grant, Tony Bennett, or even your boy Keno Davis.  Lastly D Wade, and all of the other recent NBA players (did Marquette make them NBA players or did Crean and Buzz make them NBA players?)  To suggest Marquette University made those guys NBA basketball players is ludicrous as are most* of your points.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 19, 2012, 09:37:32 AM
The dance was awesome, not Al on the table or saluting ND student section awesome, but I loved it. After that game and the dance I sat there enjoying a beer and told my wife that Buzz was going to take us to levels we have not seen in 35 years if given enough freedom. For a brief moment after that game people around the country were talking MU ball and I loved it.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: brewcity77 on April 19, 2012, 09:38:39 AM
3) Marquette is its own #1 asset.  Without MU, Buzz isn’t the coach.  MU isn’t MU because of Buzz.  He doesn’t walk on water.  He is a terrific coach, tireless worker but he makes mistakes, too (Durley, Roseboro, Clark, Newbill).  No one is irreplaceable.

I agree with much of what you said, but while I know you weren't a fan of his recruitment, can we wait until the kid fails before throwing Durley under the bus?

And Clark seems a bit unfair on Buzz as well...he recruited a guy that a lot of other schools recruited, and when the crap came out, we pulled out.

But yeah, he makes mistakes, we'd get on without him. Still rather have him here.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 19, 2012, 09:57:26 AM
It's a little daffy to argue the impact of losing Buzz.  Ok, it's not daffy.  Galacticly stupid.

It would be huge in the short term, COULD be huge in the long term.

It would take X seasons to recover.  Whether X is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 .. is unknown since you can't predict which players would transfer, which recruits would decommit, of which there would certainly be a few.

It's not easy to compete in the BE / rebuild a coaching staff and fill out a team.  What's the success rate of new coaches?  How many hires look great, then 6 years later, you're lounging in the lower half of your incredibly tough conference? 

Then there's the concept that Buzz is indeed, one of the top 25 coaches around.   Hard to predict MU could poach another Top 25 coach, or pull a "Buzz" out of a hat, which looking back, was a lottery win that a ton of people doubted.

Then add in "how" Buzz would leave.  If it looks like MU's administration is viewed as making it difficult for the program to succeed due to strict requirements / made the current program difficult to manage .. presto, you have a program potential coaches would shun.

There's no getting around it .. MU got lucky when Buzz replaced Crean.  Could we get as lucky a 2nd time? 

There is an certain chance MU doesn't recover for 10 years, not 1-5 years due to those factors.  I think most of us would consider that a huge, huge blow.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 19, 2012, 09:58:43 AM


4) The same guys that say MU will go into the toilet if Buzz leaves are the exact same guys that predicted the former coach would be fired by now at his new job.  We're supposed to believe their predictions about impending doom for MU if Buzz leaves, but ignore their past predictions that have been so completely wrong?






Untrue. And Foolish. Untrue because I for one believe MU will go in the toilet if Buzz leaves but didn't predict the former coach would be fired by now. Foolish because being wrong on prediction A has no bearing on being right or wrong on prediction B, if indeed there even are some who predicted both.

Complete. Rubbish.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canadian Dimes on April 19, 2012, 10:00:05 AM
I can say without any degree of speculation, and 100% confidence - Buzz to SMU damn near happened.  To those who mocked the letter writing campaign thread to state their support of Buzz - you probably can thank those people (who wrote) for Buzz still being the Head Coach at MU.  Buzz is still at MU due to 2 things and 2 things only:  Loyalty to the kids he's recruited and due to the many letters of support he received as this whole crap storm unfolded. 

The reality is Buzz went from happy to unhappy in a matter of 1 year, during which time a new President and Athletic Director came into power.  If Pilarz and L Williams manage to run off Buzz due to overreaching micromanagement, the aftermath will be quite interesting...and sad for MU Basketball moving forward.


I looooove these types of posts....Ners can you please give us some basis behind your first sentence?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canadian Dimes on April 19, 2012, 10:02:09 AM
i still haven't heard anything from a reliable source as to the background of this comment.  for all i know AD walks in Buzz' office, comment on how hilarious his dance was at WV since the jerks are leaving the BEAST, and then asks buzz if he's cool with the AD coming down on him a bit publicly for the dance.  smu calls to talk to buzz, and buzz says heck yeah i want to talk to them and be respectful to help get my assistant a job...and rumors start flying.

i'm not sure anyone with true insight into the BOT or upper admin is going to be posting it on the internet...and i think a lot of rumors get spread because people like to act like they know people. 


This X100000000000000000000000.

The rest is stupid and wild speculation
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mu03eng on April 19, 2012, 10:09:40 AM
You can't compare replacing Crean with Buzz to what will happen if Buzz is replaced by X.

At best Crean had plateaued as to where the program was if not come back down from the highs of the '03 and '04.  Right now I'd argue that Buzz has this program at heights even Crean didn't achieve.  So we are that much higher and that much higher to fall.  If Buzz were to leave, players could leave(especially if its an admin "force out") and recruiting classes fall apart.  Personally I think we are looking very good to make a DEEP run in 2013, the admin wants to blow that up over a media black eye?  I don't get it.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 19, 2012, 10:19:20 AM




2) Marquette can hire another coach.  We have won with other coaches in the past and will again in the future.  Sultan does a nice job of explaining why.

3) Marquette is its own #1 asset.  Without MU, Buzz isn’t the coach.  MU isn’t MU because of Buzz.  He doesn’t walk on water.  He is a terrific coach, tireless worker but he makes mistakes, too (Durley, Roseboro, Clark, Newbill).  No one is irreplaceable.




Regarding #2: Duh! Not only "can" Marquette hire a new coach, I'll go so far as to say that if Buzz leaves Marquette will hire a new coach. Has anyone suggested that if Buzz leaves MU will drop basketball? Have we won with other coaches? Yes. Have we also lost with other coaches? Also yes. So, pointless and complete rubbish.
Regarding #3: Marrquette had assets the last time we needed a coach: the Al, the Big East, 3 consecutive NCAA appearances, a recent Final 4, etc. Yet nobody worthy in your/chicos eyes wanted anything to do with Marquette. MU hit a home run with a guy your faction didn't think was worthy of the job, yet I gather you think this time it'll be easy to go find another diamond in the rough to replace him. Again. Complete. Rubbish.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 19, 2012, 10:32:20 AM
It's a little daffy to argue the impact of losing Buzz.  Ok, it's not daffy.  Galacticly stupid.

It would be huge in the short term, COULD be huge in the long term.

It would take X seasons to recover.  Whether X is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 .. is unknown since you can't predict which players would transfer, which recruits would decommit, of which there would certainly be a few.

It's not easy to compete in the BE / rebuild a coaching staff and fill out a team.  What's the success rate of new coaches?  How many hires look great, then 6 years later, you're lounging in the lower half of your incredibly tough conference? 

Then there's the concept that Buzz is indeed, one of the top 25 coaches around.   Hard to predict MU could poach another Top 25 coach, or pull a "Buzz" out of a hat, which looking back, was a lottery win that a ton of people doubted.

Then add in "how" Buzz would leave.  If it looks like MU's administration is viewed as making it difficult for the program to succeed due to strict requirements / made the current program difficult to manage .. presto, you have a program potential coaches would shun.

There's no getting around it .. MU got lucky when Buzz replaced Crean.  Could we get as lucky a 2nd time? 

There is an certain chance MU doesn't recover for 10 years, not 1-5 years due to those factors.  I think most of us would consider that a huge, huge blow.

Absolutely spot on, Topper. Marquette won the lottery when Al was hired in 1964. Looks like we may have won it again in 2008. Expecting a third mini-miracle if Buzz leaves (especially if he looks pushed or unhappy) is galacticly stupid.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 19, 2012, 10:44:24 AM
While not  in favor of the Buzz hire at the time,  I am in the camp we won the lottery with him. It is very difficult, even with deep pockets, to not skip a beat with coaching changes. Losing players, losing recruits and waiting for new style of play to go into affect takes a great deal of time. At MU that cycle is longer because we are not in the super elite group. IMO this is a perfect place for Buzz because he already has the money and the foundation built for long term success.

MU and Buzz need to know that each would survive would each other but they in better place together. If Buzz made some mistakes, big deal. It should be handled in house and in professional manner. I do believe that there is time to mend fences but waiting six months is not the answer. It all boils down to them agreeing on an goal for the program and establishing guidelines to follow. Only issue really is how deep is the bad blood on either side. I would think only parties involved know if fixable or not.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 10:47:59 AM
I figured someone would point this out...problem is MU and society to an extent have become overly politically correct.  Al McGuire's behavior was revered - standing on scorer's tables etc.  The over-reaction of the MU administration to Buzz's West Virginia dance was further evidence that "fun" can no longer be had at MU.  Buzz's dance after the Louisville game where DJO did the follow up dunk, and his West Virginia dance - went viral - and by and large anyone with a spirit of fun could appreciate the exuberance.  But not the self righteous among our fanbase/administration.
So you made a comment that you knew to be incorrect and misleading and then waited for someone to point it out before justifying it with some bs explanation that society is the problem?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 19, 2012, 11:01:23 AM
Regarding #2: Duh! Not only "can" Marquette hire a new coach, I'll go so far as to say that if Buzz leaves Marquette will hire a new coach. Has anyone suggested that if Buzz leaves MU will drop basketball? Have we won with other coaches? Yes. Have we also lost with other coaches? Also yes. So, pointless and complete rubbish.
Regarding #3: Marrquette had assets the last time we needed a coach: the Al, the Big East, 3 consecutive NCAA appearances, a recent Final 4, etc. Yet nobody worthy in your/chicos eyes wanted anything to do with Marquette. MU hit a home run with a guy your faction didn't think was worthy of the job, yet I gather you think this time it'll be easy to go find another diamond in the rough to replace him. Again. Complete. Rubbish.


Well...it isn't "complete rubbish."  You just feel that the chances of replacing Buzz with someone similar isn't as high as others do.  And as I have said before, I think that task would be difficult, but not impossible.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: lab_warrior on April 19, 2012, 11:15:57 AM
I can say without any degree of speculation, and 100% confidence - Buzz to SMU damn near happened. 

It didn't though.  So I can be 100% certain that my own speculation that this was one of the biggest unflushed turds of a non-story (and a three-week old turd, to boot, ESPN's Jason King!) is 100% accurate.     

To those who mocked the letter writing campaign thread to state their support of Buzz - you probably can thank those people (who wrote) for Buzz still being the Head Coach at MU.  Buzz is still at MU due to 2 things and 2 things only:  Loyalty to the kids he's recruited and due to the many letters of support he received as this whole crap storm unfolded. 


Should have known we couldn't get through a thread like this to another self-important, love-the-smell-of-my-own-farts reference to THE STUPENDOUS ALMIGHTY SAVE BUZZ E-MAIL AND/OR LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN OF 2012.  We are all shamed--no, HUMBLED--by the fact that some of you are better fans of MU basketball than us, going the extra mile of writing emails/letters based on a speculative article, and gossipy, Mean Girls-ish hearsay. Thanks to all of you, for SAVING MARQUETTE BASKETBALL.  You're the REAL heroes.  

Or some of us are just amused that a bunch of over-reactors were so eager to "kiss the ring" over something that was never going to happen, then raced to the Scoop board to let the rest of us know just how important those un-important spam emails and letters really were.   

The reality is Buzz went from happy to unhappy in a matter of 1 year,

Hearsay.  Oh, right, you and others have "sources", that we're all just supposed to "believe," 'cause you're 100% sure.  Got it. 

during which time a new President and Athletic Director came into power. 

Concidence.  Oh, wait, that's right, Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz are double secret agents bent on destroying Marquette basketball.  No one denies this.  Forgot. 

If Pilarz and L Williams manage to run off Buzz due to overreaching micromanagement, the aftermath will be quite interesting...and sad for MU Basketball moving forward.


None of this has happened.  Remember the statement a few weeks ago, where Buzz said he's Marquette's basketball coach?

Calm down already.  This, combined with the HYSTERICS of the earlier post about how MU basketball will be "irrelevant", and "worse than SLU" would make the mom from "Carrie" blush.  "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT US!" 

Buzz is our coach.  He's staying as our coach.  I don't want him to leave, and am in COMPLETE AGREEMENT that he's a great coach, worth doing whatever it takes to keep him; that requires no deep thinking. 

But he might leave, too.  And I'm not going to dissolve into a puddle, render my garments, and sob uncontrollably about MU basketball turning into SLU if he does, because that would be really, REALLY pathetic.  No, sad.   
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Henry Sugar on April 19, 2012, 11:37:25 AM
Sand Sharks may be the best movie ever

http://youtu.be/_qEfO5iNicI

/Napalm, baby
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 19, 2012, 11:48:25 AM
It didn't though.  So I can be 100% certain that my own speculation that this was one of the biggest unflushed turds of a non-story (and a three-week old turd, to boot, ESPN's Jason King!) is 100% accurate.     


Should have known we couldn't get through a thread like this to another self-important, love-the-smell-of-my-own-farts reference to THE STUPENDOUS ALMIGHTY SAVE BUZZ E-MAIL AND/OR LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN OF 2012.  We are all shamed--no, HUMBLED--by the fact that some of you are better fans of MU basketball than us, going the extra mile of writing emails/letters based on a speculative article, and gossipy, Mean Girls-ish hearsay. Thanks to all of you, for SAVING MARQUETTE BASKETBALL.  You're the REAL heroes.  

Or some of us are just amused that a bunch of over-reactors were so eager to "kiss the ring" over something that was never going to happen, then raced to the Scoop board to let the rest of us know just how important those un-important spam emails and letters really were.   

Hearsay.  Oh, right, you and others have "sources", that we're all just supposed to "believe," 'cause you're 100% sure.  Got it. 

Concidence.  Oh, wait, that's right, Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz are double secret agents bent on destroying Marquette basketball.  No one denies this.  Forgot. 


None of this has happened.  Remember the statement a few weeks ago, where Buzz said he's Marquette's basketball coach?

Calm down already.  This, combined with the HYSTERICS of the earlier post about how MU basketball will be "irrelevant", and "worse than SLU" would make the mom from "Carrie" blush.  "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT US!" 

Buzz is our coach.  He's staying as our coach.  I don't want him to leave, and am in COMPLETE AGREEMENT that he's a great coach, worth doing whatever it takes to keep him; that requires no deep thinking. 

But he might leave, too.  And I'm not going to dissolve into a puddle, render my garments, and sob uncontrollably about MU basketball turning into SLU if he does, because that would be really, REALLY pathetic.  No, sad.   
  Dreamin' is free lab warrior.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 19, 2012, 12:51:35 PM
You can't compare replacing Crean with Buzz to what will happen if Buzz is replaced by X.

At best Crean had plateaued as to where the program was if not come back down from the highs of the '03 and '04.  Right now I'd argue that Buzz has this program at heights even Crean didn't achieve.  So we are that much higher and that much higher to fall.  If Buzz were to leave, players could leave(especially if its an admin "force out") and recruiting classes fall apart.  Personally I think we are looking very good to make a DEEP run in 2013, the admin wants to blow that up over a media black eye?  I don't get it.

At best Crean had plateaued?  Maybe he had, but if that is the case what is the at worse scenario?  I believe Buzz's first team (which would have been Crean's had he not left) was his second best team.  The DJ injury was huge.  How far that team could have gone we will never know.


I would change your comment about reaching even heights to say Buzz has consistently had great results.  The problem with Crean (there were many) is that he had great highs but awful lows.  Until Buzz gets to a Final Four it will be hard for most fans to argue he has reached the same heights, at least in a single point of excellence.  What Buzz has done so well is avoiding the dropoffs, but he hasn't quite hit the big homerun that Crean's team did in 2003.  For those that focus only on the postseason success, that is the criteria they will use.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 19, 2012, 12:59:17 PM
At best Crean had plateaued?  Maybe he had, but if that is the case what is the at worse scenario?  I believe Buzz's first team (which would have been Crean's had he not left) was his second best team.  The DJ injury was huge.  How far that team could have gone we will never know.


I would change your comment about reaching even heights to say Buzz has consistently had great results.  The problem with Crean (there were many) is that he had great highs but awful lows.  Until Buzz gets to a Final Four it will be hard for most fans to argue he has reached the same heights, at least in a single point of excellence.  What Buzz has done so well is avoiding the dropoffs, but he hasn't quite hit the big homerun that Crean's team did in 2003.  For those that focus only on the postseason success, that is the criteria they will use.

And those who were offended by the manner in which Crean left will argue that overall they are much happier with Buzz than with Crean and that Buzz has reached at least equal heights.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 19, 2012, 01:04:30 PM
I can say without any degree of speculation, and 100% confidence - Buzz to SMU damn near happened.  To those who mocked the letter writing campaign thread to state their support of Buzz - you probably can thank those people (who wrote) for Buzz still being the Head Coach at MU.  Buzz is still at MU due to 2 things and 2 things only:  Loyalty to the kids he's recruited and due to the many letters of support he received as this whole crap storm unfolded. 

The reality is Buzz went from happy to unhappy in a matter of 1 year, during which time a new President and Athletic Director came into power.  If Pilarz and L Williams manage to run off Buzz due to overreaching micromanagement, the aftermath will be quite interesting...and sad for MU Basketball moving forward.

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And you know this how that your letter writing campaign saved Buzz Williams from going to SMU?  Your 100% confidence comes from where?  It had nothing to do with grown adults sitting down, talking through what the goals of the program are, the issues that have put MU in the the spotlight for the wrong reasons, and finally getting to a point where everyone can collectively hold hands and move forward.

At some point, he is going to leave.  You do realize this, right?  
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 19, 2012, 01:07:24 PM
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And you know this how that your letter writing campaign saved Buzz Williams from going to SMU?  Your 100% confidence comes from where?  It had nothing to do with grown adults sitting down, talking through what the goals of the program are, the issues that have put MU in the the spotlight for the wrong reasons, and finally getting to a point where everyone can collectively hold hands and move forward.

At some point, he is going to leave.  You do realize this, right?  
Yes, we all know that at some point he is going to leave.  Stop kicking around the obvious.  The circumstances of that leaving is what is being debated in this thread.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 19, 2012, 01:08:31 PM
Absolutely spot on, Topper. Marquette won the lottery when Al was hired in 1964. Looks like we may have won it again in 2008. Expecting a third mini-miracle if Buzz leaves (especially if he looks pushed or unhappy) is galacticly stupid.

You guys have a very narrowly focused view of the world.  You sure are pessimists.  Did MU get lucky with Kevin O'Neill?  Did they get lucky with Tom Crean?  Did they get lucky with Buzz Williams?  Did they get lucky with Hank Raymonds?

It looks to me like we are a lucky school.  Be thankful for it. Sometimes luck is better than anything else.  When you have been as lucky as we have been it becomes a pattern, not a once in a lifetime thing.   Let us not forget that Al McGuire interviewed for the position.  He was interested in coming to Marquette.  He didn't get dropped off at the 1212 building by a stork.  He saw something in MU and MU saw something in him.  The same is true for the other coaches we have had.

Have some damn respect for your program's heritage and the type of coach we have had come through here.  If Buzz leaves, then Buzz leaves and MU hires another good basketball coach and we continue to be a good basketball program.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 19, 2012, 01:14:21 PM
+1 .. I'd add that the root cause of Buzz going unhappy is the academic and off-court behavior of some players .. that's what got the ball rolling.

Probably is the root cause and as captain of the ship, Buzz is going to take that heat.  Why wouldn't he.  It would make me unhappy to that the guys I recruited are tarnishing my program and putting us in the paper.  Buzz has got to get that through to them.  What troubles me is the surprise or anger that some here have that Buzz's bosses would not be conveying those same orders to Buzz.  It's his program, but it isn't his university.  He does have bosses and they will demand certain things that may not make him happy, and that includes if his players are acting in a manner that put MU in a bad light.  Whether fans here believe or don't believe the actions are minor or severe, that is not important.  The snowballing effect has already happened because of last year so every incident moving forward, minor or not, is going to hit the pages of the Journal because they are willing to aid in the process.

Buzz wants to get back to happy he needs to get his guys (his players) to understand what isn't making him happy.  Stay out of the papers, go to class, stop making decisions that have the program on the front page for something other than basketball.  That will make Buzz happy again.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canadian Dimes on April 19, 2012, 01:20:45 PM
Ooops looks like Chicos...errrr Hoopaloop has taken over the thread...Im out!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: DegenerateDish on April 19, 2012, 01:25:53 PM
Come on guys, you should all know by now why Buzz didn't go to SMU.

Bo Ryan wouldn't let him.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 19, 2012, 01:26:58 PM
You guys have a very narrowly focused view of the world.  You sure are pessimists.  Did MU get lucky with Kevin O'Neill?  Did they get lucky with Tom Crean?  Did they get lucky with Buzz Williams?  Did they get lucky with Hank Raymonds?



In 31 years between Al and Buzz MU had 6 coaches. Buzz is superior to all of them, some by a country mile. I guess we might get "Crean lucky" or "O'Neil lucky" but it's a very, very longshot we'll get "Buzz lucky".
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 19, 2012, 01:36:43 PM
At best Crean had plateaued?  Maybe he had, but if that is the case what is the at worse scenario?  I believe Buzz's first team (which would have been Crean's had he not left) was his second best team.  The DJ injury was huge.  How far that team could have gone we will never know.


I would change your comment about reaching even heights to say Buzz has consistently had great results.  The problem with Crean (there were many) is that he had great highs but awful lows.  Until Buzz gets to a Final Four it will be hard for most fans to argue he has reached the same heights, at least in a single point of excellence.  What Buzz has done so well is avoiding the dropoffs, but he hasn't quite hit the big homerun that Crean's team did in 2003.  For those that focus only on the postseason success, that is the criteria they will use.


Crean's high "Highs":
1. Final 4 in 2003
2.Final 32 in 2008
3.Final 64 (lost first round) in 2002, 2006,2007
4.NIT (never made it to the Garden) in 2001, 2004, 2005.
5.No postseason in 2000.

Other than one year, please explain all these "higher highs" that Crean had relative to Buzz.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: tower912 on April 19, 2012, 01:39:19 PM
I respect and appreciate what Crean did for MU.   190 wins over 9 seasons is pretty darn good.   Having said that, how many coaches have managed to go to back-to-back NIT's with two future NBA players on their team?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Freeport Warrior on April 19, 2012, 01:42:48 PM
Oh, right, you and others have "sources", that we're all just supposed to "believe," 'cause you're 100% sure.  Got it. 
I'll bite. You can believe whatever you want. This is the only on-line community I participate in and it just gets tiresome when guys just slam every comment, demand sources and call you out for "making sht up." Do you understand that if you fry your source, you will never get info again? MU admin reads this like a hawk (yes, I have a direct source who told me this who works for MU). In my situation, I'll try to give part of the story without giving it all away because my sources would be beyond pissed and would get in serious trouble. Their access could be jeopardized. No sht Buzz and LW say things are great, and he's the coach, and aw shucks -- IT'S CALLED PR!!

All that being said, like someone stated earlier in this thread, the SMU thing with 100% certainty ALMOST happened. No one was making this stuff up. I have four corroborated sources -- an MU guy, two media (one local, one national) and one handler of a current D1 coach that was reached out to. These do not include IWB or King. Some will appreciate the info, some won't. Life goes on.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: seinfeld on April 19, 2012, 01:49:01 PM
I'll bite. You can believe whatever you want. This is the only on-line community I participate in and it just gets tiresome when guys just slam every comment, demand sources and call you out for "making sht up." Do you understand that if you fry your source, you will never get info again? MU admin reads this like a hawk (yes, I have a direct source who told me this who works for MU). In my situation, I'll try to give part of the story without giving it all away because my sources would be beyond pissed and would get in serious trouble. Their access could be jeopardized. No sht Buzz and LW say things are great, and he's the coach, and aw shucks -- IT'S CALLED PR!!

All that being said, like someone stated earlier in this thread, the SMU thing with 100% certainty ALMOST happened. No one was making this stuff up. I have four corroborated sources -- an MU guy, two media (one local, one national) and one handler of a current D1 coach that was reached out to. These do not include IWB or King. Some will appreciate the info, some won't. Life goes on.

three coaches were contacted
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Freeport Warrior on April 19, 2012, 01:56:00 PM
three coaches were contacted
I only know of one that was contacted. I would assume others were, but I have no knowledge of it.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 19, 2012, 02:00:55 PM
It didn't though.  So I can be 100% certain that my own speculation that this was one of the biggest unflushed turds of a non-story (and a three-week old turd, to boot, ESPN's Jason King!) is 100% accurate.     


Should have known we couldn't get through a thread like this to another self-important, love-the-smell-of-my-own-farts reference to THE STUPENDOUS ALMIGHTY SAVE BUZZ E-MAIL AND/OR LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN OF 2012.  We are all shamed--no, HUMBLED--by the fact that some of you are better fans of MU basketball than us, going the extra mile of writing emails/letters based on a speculative article, and gossipy, Mean Girls-ish hearsay. Thanks to all of you, for SAVING MARQUETTE BASKETBALL.  You're the REAL heroes.  

Or some of us are just amused that a bunch of over-reactors were so eager to "kiss the ring" over something that was never going to happen, then raced to the Scoop board to let the rest of us know just how important those un-important spam emails and letters really were.   

Hearsay.  Oh, right, you and others have "sources", that we're all just supposed to "believe," 'cause you're 100% sure.  Got it. 

Concidence.  Oh, wait, that's right, Larry Williams and Fr. Pilarz are double secret agents bent on destroying Marquette basketball.  No one denies this.  Forgot. 


None of this has happened.  Remember the statement a few weeks ago, where Buzz said he's Marquette's basketball coach?

Calm down already.  This, combined with the HYSTERICS of the earlier post about how MU basketball will be "irrelevant", and "worse than SLU" would make the mom from "Carrie" blush.  "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT US!" 

Buzz is our coach.  He's staying as our coach.  I don't want him to leave, and am in COMPLETE AGREEMENT that he's a great coach, worth doing whatever it takes to keep him; that requires no deep thinking. 

But he might leave, too.  And I'm not going to dissolve into a puddle, render my garments, and sob uncontrollably about MU basketball turning into SLU if he does, because that would be really, REALLY pathetic.  No, sad.   

Listen - Am I going to sob if Buzz leaves?  Hell no.  I happen to love MU basketball and it is my Number 1 rooting interest.  Sure won't be as much fun to watch an NIT caliber program, as what we've had the last 10 years...and when a guy widely respected within college basketball circles for the most part gets run off by an overly zealous administration...good luck finding a high caliber replacement that will want to walk in to an environment not conducive to success.

Lastly - cynics will always cynics, and you can walk around with your head in the sand and are entitled to your opinion.  The reality is that it was very, very close to Buzz leaving...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 19, 2012, 02:33:17 PM
I'll bite. You can believe whatever you want. This is the only on-line community I participate in and it just gets tiresome when guys just slam every comment, demand sources and call you out for "making sht up." Do you understand that if you fry your source, you will never get info again? MU admin reads this like a hawk (yes, I have a direct source who told me this who works for MU). In my situation, I'll try to give part of the story without giving it all away because my sources would be beyond pissed and would get in serious trouble. Their access could be jeopardized. No sht Buzz and LW say things are great, and he's the coach, and aw shucks -- IT'S CALLED PR!!

All that being said, like someone stated earlier in this thread, the SMU thing with 100% certainty ALMOST happened. No one was making this stuff up. I have four corroborated sources -- an MU guy, two media (one local, one national) and one handler of a current D1 coach that was reached out to. These do not include IWB or King. Some will appreciate the info, some won't. Life goes on.

And what do your sources say the REAL current situation is?  Is Buzz still unhappy with administration?  Are they unhappy with Buzz?  Is their relationship improving?  Deteriorating?  Is Buzz being pushed?  Does Buzz want to leave?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on April 19, 2012, 02:36:59 PM
Sand Sharks may be the best movie ever

http://youtu.be/_qEfO5iNicI

/Napalm, baby

I think the trailer for Bikini Island Starring Patong Ted suggests more profound entertainment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=e1QL66h63Gs&feature=fvwp

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 19, 2012, 02:52:00 PM
Hoop
The hiring of KO and TC was accomplished by a search committee that had being an elite program as a priority. Twice since Al there was a heightened sense of urgency and the search was for excellence. Obviously luck was involved to get the result, but the committee took as much risk out of the hire as possible. Hiring of MD and Buzz were two different issues, but both added risk to the hire. Hiring of Hank was far from luck and without doubt IMO was an unlucky hire. Since Hank wanted to remain he had to be hired.

The biggest issue in making coaching changes is the possibility of making a big mistake. We currently are a top 20 program and that could work in our favor or work against us. The higher the bar set by previous guy makes next hire more difficult.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on April 19, 2012, 02:58:37 PM
Come on guys, you should all know by now why Buzz didn't go to SMU.

Bo Ryan wouldn't let him.


+1000
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 03:02:28 PM
Listen - Am I going to sob if Buzz leaves?  Hell no.  I happen to love MU basketball and it is my Number 1 rooting interest.  Sure won't be as much fun to watch an NIT caliber program, as what we've had the last 10 years...and when a guy widely respected within college basketball circles for the most part gets run off by an overly zealous administration...good luck finding a high caliber replacement that will want to walk in to an environment not conducive to success.

Lastly - cynics will always cynics, and you can walk around with your head in the sand and are entitled to your opinion.  The reality is that it was very, very close to Buzz leaving...
I'll probably sob a little if Buzz leaves.  That has nothing to do with your constant chicken-little attitude that Marquette will certainly become SLU or "an NIT caliber program" overnight if he does.  
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 19, 2012, 03:10:05 PM
I'll probably sob a little if Buzz leaves.  That has nothing to do with your constant chicken-little attitude that Marquette will certainly become SLU or "an NIT caliber program" overnight if he does.  
you are naïve to think that the admin will have an easy time replacing Buzz with another highly successful coach especially if it is perceived that Buzz was run off.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 03:10:32 PM
Hoop
The hiring of KO and TC was accomplished by a search committee that had being an elite program as a priority. Twice since Al there was a heightened sense of urgency and the search was for excellence. Obviously luck was involved to get the result, but the committee took as much risk out of the hire as possible. Hiring of MD and Buzz were two different issues, but both added risk to the hire. Hiring of Hank was far from luck and without doubt IMO was an unlucky hire. Since Hank wanted to remain he had to be hired.

The biggest issue in making coaching changes is the possibility of making a big mistake. We currently are a top 20 program and that could work in our favor or work against us. The higher the bar set by previous guy makes next hire more difficult.
Buzz has gotten us two Sweet 16's now and the bar is set so impossibly high that we're destined to be an "NIT caliber team" the moment he decides to go elsewhere.  I'd hate to imagine how low we'd fall if we had any real tournament success, like more than Xavier regularly accomplishes.


Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with the two Sweet 16's considering the 5 years preceding them, but let's be realistic with where the bar is actually at here.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 03:17:17 PM
you are naïve to think that the admin will have an easy time replacing Buzz with another highly successful coach especially if it is perceived that Buzz was run off.
Yes, we all know that you think that.  You've been repeating it for two pages.  You and others have a very pessimistic attitude about the ability of the school you apparently root for to find a new coach who can win basketball games.  No one has said it will be easy.  The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible.  Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face.  But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not.  We just might continue to be successful.

And all of this is stupid and unnecessary because we're not looking for a coach and almost assuredly won't be in the near future, for at least the next 11 months.  Let's just try to keep the guy we have.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Freeport Warrior on April 19, 2012, 03:18:12 PM
And what do your sources say the REAL current situation is?  Is Buzz still unhappy with administration?  Are they unhappy with Buzz?  Is their relationship improving?  Deteriorating?  Is Buzz being pushed?  Does Buzz want to leave?
I haven't heard anything lately.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 19, 2012, 03:30:01 PM
Yes, we all know that you think that.  You've been repeating it for two pages.  You and others have a very pessimistic attitude about the ability of the school you apparently root for to find a new coach who can win basketball games.  No one has said it will be easy.  The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible.  Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face.  But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not.  We just might continue to be successful.

And all of this is stupid and unnecessary because we're not looking for a coach and almost assuredly won't be in the near future, for at least the next 11 months.  Let's just try to keep the guy we have.
The school I apparently root for? Your counter is that we might fall on our face but that we might not?  It is to laugh.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 03:34:29 PM
The school I apparently root for? Your counter is that we might fall on our face but that we might not?  It is to laugh.
As opposed to your opinion that we would definitely fall on our face?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 19, 2012, 03:38:46 PM
[quote author=TJ link=topic=32248.msg386536#msg386536 date=133486    The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible.  Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face.  But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not.  We just might continue to be successful.


[/quote]

So you're sayin' there's a chance...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 19, 2012, 03:39:03 PM
Yes, we all know that at some point he is going to leave.  Stop kicking around the obvious.  The circumstances of that leaving is what is being debated in this thread.

Yes, but not the only thing being debated in this thread. Some here have said we are going to the Mike Deane era when he leaves, not how he leaves, but when he leaves.

He is going to leave, at some point they all leave.  For those that have a Jesus complex about our current coach they believe the end is near when that happens.  This is based on their belief that lightning in a bottle was captured.  He's a terrific coach, really great spokesperson for MU basketball.  He, however, is not irreplaceable.  No one is.  Have some faith in the damn program that has produced NCAA appearances under a long list of coaches and has routinely made post season appearances since the mid 1950's.  We're a top 20 all-time program not because of Buzz Williams.  Buzz has contributed to our excellence, but he is but one of many to do that.  

Buzz is my guy, but if he leaves we find another coach.  He wants to be happy, then he needs to get his players to stop doing stuff that puts us in the news because everyone is watching and cannot wait to write that next story.  Everyone has a cell phone camera or a story to tell.  He has to communicate that to his guys.

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Bocephys on April 19, 2012, 03:40:16 PM
[quote author=TJ link=topic=32248.msg386536#msg386536 date=133486    The counter to your argument is that it's not impossible.  Yes, we might get a Bruce Weber and fall on our face.  But the possibility that you seem to completely ignore is that we might not.  We just might continue to be successful.




So you're sayin' there's a chance...

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Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 19, 2012, 03:41:43 PM
In 31 years between Al and Buzz MU had 6 coaches. Buzz is superior to all of them, some by a country mile. I guess we might get "Crean lucky" or "O'Neil lucky" but it's a very, very longshot we'll get "Buzz lucky".


That is a subjective opinion.  Are you basing superior coach to NCAA tournament success?  Conference championships?  Regular season wins?  What you see with your eyes?  Graduation rates?  Kids staying out of trouble?  His use of timeouts?  

He is a really good coach.  Is he any better than some of the others we have had in those 31 years?  That is your opinion and nothing more.  
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Henry Sugar on April 19, 2012, 03:42:37 PM
In all seriousness, I could not be more excited to watch "The Raid: Redemption"

http://youtu.be/PkULMOFpuCo

and... since I'm now on a tangent for foreign action movies, "13 Assassins" is highly recommended (available on netflix).  ridiculously gory and ends with about a 45 min fight scene.

http://youtu.be/NgPC74-Tde8

/loves the Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Bocephys on April 19, 2012, 03:46:30 PM

That is a subjective opinion.  Are you basing superior coach to NCAA tournament success?  Conference championships?  Regular season wins?  What you see with your eyes?  Graduation rates?  Kids staying out of trouble?  His use of timeouts?  

He is a really good coach.  Is he any better than some of the others we have had in those 31 years?  That is your opinion and nothing more.  

Where does Buzz stand with you Hoop?  My personal opinion would be that he's the best, but I can understand if people would still have Crean ahead of him.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 19, 2012, 03:48:49 PM
I respect and appreciate what Crean did for MU.   190 wins over 9 seasons is pretty darn good.   Having said that, how many coaches have managed to go to back-to-back NIT's with two future NBA players on their team?

With injuries factored in like the MU seasons you are talking about?  I would agree the 190 wins in 9 seasons is pretty darn good.  The 160 wins in the last 7 seasons is more impressive once his guys showed up.  Buzz's 96 wins in four seasons is every bit as impressive, on average one more win per year.

The list is long.  Look at the NIT teams of the past twenty years and their rosters.  Some good coaches and programs on that list.  

MU has had many terrific coaches pace the sidelines. If Buzz leaves, we will continue to do that.  The job is a very good one.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 19, 2012, 03:54:02 PM

Should have known we couldn't get through a thread like this to another self-important, love-the-smell-of-my-own-farts reference to THE STUPENDOUS ALMIGHTY SAVE BUZZ E-MAIL AND/OR LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN OF 2012.  We are all shamed--no, HUMBLED--by the fact that some of you are better fans of MU basketball than us, going the extra mile of writing emails/letters based on a speculative article, and gossipy, Mean Girls-ish hearsay. Thanks to all of you, for SAVING MARQUETTE BASKETBALL.  You're the REAL heroes.  

Or some of us are just amused that a bunch of over-reactors were so eager to "kiss the ring" over something that was never going to happen, then raced to the Scoop board to let the rest of us know just how important those un-important spam emails and letters really were.   

Calm down already.  This, combined with the HYSTERICS of the earlier post about how MU basketball will be "irrelevant", and "worse than SLU" would make the mom from "Carrie" blush.  "THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT US!" 

Buzz is our coach.  He's staying as our coach.  I don't want him to leave, and am in COMPLETE AGREEMENT that he's a great coach, worth doing whatever it takes to keep him; that requires no deep thinking. 

But he might leave, too.  And I'm not going to dissolve into a puddle, render my garments, and sob uncontrollably about MU basketball turning into SLU if he does, because that would be really, REALLY pathetic.  No, sad.   

Gold F#$&# STAR!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 19, 2012, 03:58:46 PM
With injuries factored in like the MU seasons you are talking about?  I would agree the 190 wins in 9 seasons is pretty darn good.  The 160 wins in the last 7 seasons is more impressive once his guys showed up.  Buzz's 96 wins in four seasons is every bit as impressive, on average one more win per year.

The list is long.  Look at the NIT teams of the past twenty years and their rosters.  Some good coaches and programs on that list.  

MU has had many terrific coaches pace the sidelines. If Buzz leaves, we will continue to do that.  The job is a very good one.
  The NIT?  Sorry. My expectations are higher than the NIT.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 19, 2012, 04:04:17 PM
My favorite part of the last month is reading different posters opinion of what they want the program to be. I remember when there was talk about Buzz going to OU or Arkansas it seemed to me many had S16 as ceiling for program. A year later, because of another great year, it appears to me the bar has been raised. Always thought too many were soft in expectations of program and am very happy with what appears to be new standard for many on here.

I have always believed we could become ELITE and stay there. As someone mentioned earlier on this thread, I also am not 25y and want to see it happen now.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: wildbill sb on April 19, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
Don't falter, troopers, only 95 pages or so to go.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: DienerTime34 on April 19, 2012, 04:18:47 PM
The success or failure of the Marquette men's basketball team from year to year really has no bearing on my life, other than sheer entertainment value. As such, I like Buzz and I like winning, but I'm not willing to have a year-long seizure over the fate of Buzz or the program. Does that make me weird?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 19, 2012, 04:41:12 PM
Don't falter, troopers, only 95 pages or so to go.

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Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 19, 2012, 05:04:47 PM
Would love it if TJ or Hoop could answer the questions as to why they think all of a sudden the MU job would be such a highly coveted job among top caliber established coaches or even highly regarded young, mid-major coaches?  We just went through this 4 years ago when Crean left.  We had the stronger Big East, The Al McGuire Center, recent Final Four trip, D-Wade, a few consecutive NCAA appearances - yet Anthony Grant, Tony Bennett and Keno Davis all said "Thanks, but no thanks."  Why?  Couple this with MU currently having one of the most successful young coaches in the land - and if he leaves it will be due to an overbearing administration...who's going to want to sign up for that, that can actually hold his own in the recruiting world? 

TJ or Hoop - Do you feel that just by virtue of MU's past basketball legacy, the Marquette school name will make recruits want to come here...and the amazing academics will turn some of these kids into NBA caliber players?  Is the success of a program (and players development) not directly correlated to the coach who heads the program?  What in our past history makes you think we can hire (and retain) a home run coach??  Let's remember DiUlio pretty much ran off Kevin O'Neill...T.C chose to leave because he felt recruiting to MU would never give him a chance at a National Title...and now Buzz - he was on track to be a long term guy...yet it appears we have DiUlio 2.0 at the helm...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 19, 2012, 05:56:34 PM
Would love it if TJ or Hoop could answer the questions as to why they think all of a sudden the MU job would be such a highly coveted job among top caliber established coaches or even highly regarded young, mid-major coaches? 

We weren't contending for the services of Austin Grandstaff back then
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 06:28:22 PM
Would love it if TJ or Hoop could answer the questions as to why they think all of a sudden the MU job would be such a highly coveted job among top caliber established coaches or even highly regarded young, mid-major coaches?  We just went through this 4 years ago when Crean left.  We had the stronger Big East, The Al McGuire Center, recent Final Four trip, D-Wade, a few consecutive NCAA appearances - yet Anthony Grant, Tony Bennett and Keno Davis all said "Thanks, but no thanks."  Why?  Couple this with MU currently having one of the most successful young coaches in the land - and if he leaves it will be due to an overbearing administration...who's going to want to sign up for that, that can actually hold his own in the recruiting world?
What questions should I have answered before this post?  I don't remember any of this being asked before now.  There are a ton of questions here though, so forgive me if I miss something...

1) MU job would not suddenly become an elite job that Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens would be fighting over.  We wouldn't get those two, just like we didn't get Grant, etc.  Might not get a few others in fact.  That doesn't mean they couldn't find a coach that could be successful at MU.
2) This just in, the last two coaches MU hired did not come from this route and both were highly successful over the last 12 years.  They were both assistants.  MU will probably hire another assistant the next time they hire a coach.  That also doesn't mean that they couldn't find a coach that could be successful at MU.
3) I don't know why Grant/Bennett/Davis said no or even if they said no honestly.  I do know that they gave Buzz an interview, he wowed the people in charge of making the decision and they hired him.  I was wary of the decision at the time, but it turns out that they were absolutely correct.  Lucky I have no say.
4) I don't think you can say with absolute certainty that if Buzz left it would be solely because of an overbearing administration.  I will grant that there seems to have been some strife in the halls of the Al, but he didn't leave so it can't be that bad.  I doubt Buzz is going to send a message to every mid-major coach the second he leaves to tell them how bad it was at Marquette.
5) I think you are vastly overstating the effect MU and Buzz parting ways would have on potential candidates.  Some might look at internal strife and shy away, but most would think that they could handle it.  And they might be right, given they they would have been hired by the current administration, which you keep pushing as a problem for Buzz and the admin now.  
6) I'm not saying the right guy will just fall in MU's lap or that MU couldn't make the wrong hire and end up suffering.  I am simply saying that your absolutely certainty that MU would find itself in the gutter under the next coach if Buzz were to leave is a flawed position.

TJ or Hoop - Do you feel that just by virtue of MU's past basketball legacy, the Marquette school name will make recruits want to come here...and the amazing academics will turn some of these kids into NBA caliber players?  Is the success of a program (and players development) not directly correlated to the coach who heads the program?
I feel these are stupid questions that have nothing to do with hiring a coach.  I certainly don't want to lose Buzz, luckily he's still here.  If he were to leave for any reason, MU would hire a new coach to do those things.  It is not a foregone conclusion that he wouldn't be good at it.

What in our past history makes you think we can hire (and retain) a home run coach??
Not trying to get into an argument with Lenny/PRR/4ever here, but the fact that we did it the last two times we tried gives me some confidence.

Let's remember DiUlio pretty much ran off Kevin O'Neill...T.C chose to leave because he felt recruiting to MU would never give him a chance at a National Title...and now Buzz - he was on track to be a long term guy...yet it appears we have DiUlio 2.0 at the helm...
DiUlio is gone.  He is not making decisions at MU.  TC chose to leave for TC's own reasons, they have no bearing on Buzz or whoever is the next guy.  I am not willing to annoint the new administration DiUlio 2.0 because Larry Williams was quoted as saying something that Ners didn't like.  I'm sure they are highly qualified individuals.  They will do the best they can and you can rest assured that your fear that they set a goal of turning MU into SLU is not based in reality.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 19, 2012, 06:31:20 PM
Marquette would be able to get a great replacement if Buzz were to depart the pattern. Top program in a top conference stocked with talent? This ain't an SMU rebuilding gig.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: bilsu on April 19, 2012, 06:43:26 PM
Marquette would be able to get a great replacement if Buzz were to depart the pattern. Top program in a top conference stocked with talent? This ain't an SMU rebuilding gig.
We could not get a named replacvement when Crean left.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: warthog-driver on April 19, 2012, 06:45:49 PM
How can you argue with 20 elite cops and 30 floors of chaos? Can't believe I missed Kung Fu Hustle, though. I must have been deployed
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 19, 2012, 06:48:02 PM
We could not get a named replacvement when Crean left.

We had Buzz!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 19, 2012, 06:55:34 PM
We could not get a named replacvement when Crean left.
Thank you! Add to that a new administration that seems intent on deemphasizing basketball, or at least reducing spending, and there's a headlight at the end of the tunnel.

They took our nickname. They took our bars. They hired lesbian deans. Why wouldn't they run Buzz off? They're arrogant eggheads!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 19, 2012, 07:12:55 PM
Ners
You will never get firm answers to your legit questions. It is far easier to say you are wrong in your thoughts.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 07:35:26 PM
Ners
You will never get firm answers to your legit questions. It is far easier to say you are wrong in your thoughts.
What the hell was I typing for 35 minutes?  How about you guys tell us how you can be 100% sure MU would botch the next coaching hire and end up NIT bound for the foreseeable future?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: NersEllenson on April 19, 2012, 07:59:15 PM
Ners
You will never get firm answers to your legit questions. It is far easier to say you are wrong in your thoughts.

What the hell was I typing for 35 minutes?  How about you guys tell us how you can be 100% sure MU would botch the next coaching hire and end up NIT bound for the foreseeable future?

Goose - I do feel TJ made some good points/counter arguments to my position...as I cannot say with 100% confidence MU will end up in the toilet if Buzz leaves.  My bigger issue is that we are even at this point.  The new admin walked into a situation with a freaking lottery ticket practically, and in 1-year's time they've just about ripped it up and put us in a position to where we could be in scramble mode to HOPEFULLY hire a competent replacement...and because of this very dynamic..I am not very bullish on their chances at success...

Larry Williams has nowhere near the skins on the wall Buzz Williams does...period.  Larry Williams might be a smart guy, but a smart guy wouldn't ridicule/rip his biggest asset in his department in the local paper.  At the end of the day, nobody is going to be lining up to hire Larry Williams...and damn near any school that has a basketball coaching vacancy would love to hire Buzz...thus Buzz is your bigger asset, and any school with any common sense should recognize and value its best assets.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATWizJr on April 19, 2012, 08:01:25 PM
Here's what I am sure of: We currently have a great coach who has brought us to the brink of elite status.  So, unless the administration has made a decision to deemphasize BB, why run Buzz off so that we have to go through the process of finding a new Buzz?  We already have what we need.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Bocephys on April 19, 2012, 08:04:41 PM
Here's what I am sure of: We currently have a great coach who has brought us to the brink of elite status.  So, unless the administration has made a decision to deemphasize BB, why run Buzz off so that we have to go through the process of finding a new Buzz?  We already have what we need.

Seems like they're leaning that way from all of the rumors lately. Only time will tell for sure.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 08:17:55 PM
For Goose, because apparently my last set of answers wasn't good enough.  Answers in bold.
Would love it if TJ or Hoop could answer the questions as to why they think all of a sudden the MU job would be such a highly coveted job among top caliber established coaches or even highly regarded young, mid-major coaches?  I don't think it would.  I think we would probably hire an assistant, or at best a 2nd tier mid-major coach.  We just went through this 4 years ago when Crean left.  And we came out of it quite well, wouldn't you say?  We had the stronger Big East, The Al McGuire Center, recent Final Four trip, D-Wade, a few consecutive NCAA appearances - yet Anthony Grant, Tony Bennett and Keno Davis all said "Thanks, but no thanks."  Why?  Who knows?  Who cares?  They had their reasons.  Somehow MU still ended up with a great coach.  I think it would probably happen again, and it's not as big a deal as the media wants to make it if you reach for a couple stars and they say no.  There are many, many candidates out there.  Couple this with MU currently having one of the most successful young coaches in the land - and if he leaves it will be due to an overbearing administration...who's going to want to sign up for that, that can actually hold his own in the recruiting world?  I think you vastly overestimate the effect this would have.  It would deter some (Shaka would be out), but most would believe they could be the one to make it work.  Plus, for many it would be worth the trouble to get their shot.  Plus you cite the fact that Pliarz and LW didn't hire Buzz as one problem - that wouldn't be a problem for a new hire.

TJ or Hoop - Do you feel that just by virtue of MU's past basketball legacy, the Marquette school name will make recruits want to come here no...and the amazing academics will turn some of these kids into NBA caliber players absolutely no?   You do realize they would hire another coach, right?  One that had his own recruiting skills who players will want to play for.  Maybe different players, but how could you sit here today and with certainty say that they couldn't be any good?  Is the success of a program (and players development) not directly correlated to the coach who heads the program?  Yes.  Do you really believe that Buzz is the only person qualified to do these things?  What in our past history makes you think we can hire (and retain) a home run coach??  The fact that we did it the last two times we tried gives me some confidence.  If Buzz were to leave after four or five years, with all he's said and all the school has done for him, I won't believe we could retain any coach.  Let's remember DiUlio pretty much ran off Kevin O'Neill DiUlio is gone....T.C chose to leave because he felt recruiting to MU would never give him a chance at a National Title not relevant to this discussion....and now Buzz - he was on track to be a long term guy...yet it appears we have DiUlio 2.0 at the helm...I'm not willing to write off the current administration because they might fail.  Or because of hearsay about how they want to de-emphasize basketball even though all evidence over the last 10 years (granted - new regime) points to the contrary.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 08:19:18 PM
Goose - I do feel TJ made some good points/counter arguments to my position...as I cannot say with 100% confidence MU will end up in the toilet if Buzz leaves.  My bigger issue is that we are even at this point.  The new admin walked into a situation with a freaking lottery ticket practically, and in 1-year's time they've just about ripped it up and put us in a position to where we could be in scramble mode to HOPEFULLY hire a competent replacement...and because of this very dynamic..I am not very bullish on their chances at success...

Larry Williams has nowhere near the skins on the wall Buzz Williams does...period.  Larry Williams might be a smart guy, but a smart guy wouldn't ridicule/rip his biggest asset in his department in the local paper.  At the end of the day, nobody is going to be lining up to hire Larry Williams...and damn near any school that has a basketball coaching vacancy would love to hire Buzz...thus Buzz is your bigger asset, and any school with any common sense should recognize and value its best assets.
Thank you Ners.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 19, 2012, 08:20:54 PM
Here's what I am sure of: We currently have a great coach who has brought us to the brink of elite status.  So, unless the administration has made a decision to deemphasize BB, why run Buzz off so that we have to go through the process of finding a new Buzz?  We already have what we need.
They didn't, so good job Admin!  I think everyone agrees that the status quo is the best possible outcome for years to come.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: wildbill sb on April 19, 2012, 10:01:32 PM
I even be willing to buy Father Pilarz a "Chief Crowder" tee shirt.  Anybody know his size, as I am going to High 5 Tee Shirt Company in Chula Vista tomorrow to place orders.

Thanks,

wild bill
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 19, 2012, 10:49:13 PM
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And you know this how that your letter writing campaign saved Buzz Williams from going to SMU?  Your 100% confidence comes from where?  It had nothing to do with grown adults sitting down, talking through what the goals of the program are, the issues that have put MU in the the spotlight for the wrong reasons, and finally getting to a point where everyone can collectively hold hands and move forward.

At some point, he is going to leave.  You do realize this, right?  

Of course he will.  Only Chicosbailbonds is forever!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 19, 2012, 11:14:11 PM
In 31 years between Al and Buzz MU had 6 coaches. Buzz is superior to all of them, some by a country mile. I guess we might get "Crean lucky" or "O'Neil lucky" but it's a very, very longshot we'll get "Buzz lucky".


That is a subjective opinion.  Are you basing superior coach to NCAA tournament success?  Conference championships?  Regular season wins?  What you see with your eyes?  Graduation rates?  Kids staying out of trouble?  His use of timeouts?  

He is a really good coach.  Is he any better than some of the others we have had in those 31 years?  That is your opinion and nothing more.  

Lenny's opinion is subjective, and also true.

Is he any better than some of the others we have had in those 31 years?  That is your opinion and nothing more. 

I think it's obvious that Lenny's opinion is a more highly respected opinion on this board than your own which means that your opinion is something less.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Henry Sugar on April 19, 2012, 11:23:51 PM
Kung Fu Hustle is also worth checking out.  It's a legitimately funny kung fu movie that has reached cult status.  The whole movie is oddball, however, so it's not everyone's cup of team.

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on April 19, 2012, 11:43:40 PM
I've been pretty distant since the loss here. Can someone please explain, in two sentences or less, what the hell is going on here?

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Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 20, 2012, 04:20:06 AM
TJ
Apologies...very valid points.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: madtownwarrior on April 20, 2012, 07:09:05 AM
I see the circle jerk of Buzz almost went to SMU and the ensuing Marquette basketball Apocalypse continues...

speaking of apocalypse, did the predicted Marquette basketball Hiroshima happen yet?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 20, 2012, 09:42:49 AM
Would love it if TJ or Hoop could answer the questions as to why they think all of a sudden the MU job would be such a highly coveted job among top caliber established coaches or even highly regarded young, mid-major coaches?  We just went through this 4 years ago when Crean left.  We had the stronger Big East, The Al McGuire Center, recent Final Four trip, D-Wade, a few consecutive NCAA appearances - yet Anthony Grant, Tony Bennett and Keno Davis all said "Thanks, but no thanks."  Why?  Couple this with MU currently having one of the most successful young coaches in the land - and if he leaves it will be due to an overbearing administration...who's going to want to sign up for that, that can actually hold his own in the recruiting world? 

TJ or Hoop - Do you feel that just by virtue of MU's past basketball legacy, the Marquette school name will make recruits want to come here...and the amazing academics will turn some of these kids into NBA caliber players?  Is the success of a program (and players development) not directly correlated to the coach who heads the program?  What in our past history makes you think we can hire (and retain) a home run coach??  Let's remember DiUlio pretty much ran off Kevin O'Neill...T.C chose to leave because he felt recruiting to MU would never give him a chance at a National Title...and now Buzz - he was on track to be a long term guy...yet it appears we have DiUlio 2.0 at the helm...

TJ did an excellent job of answering your question, most I agree with but will add a few of my own and correct some of your assertions.

KO ran himself off, not DiUlio.  He was a drunk who had some serious issues that put MU in a quandry if they ever got out.  He also publicly knocked the university.  Talk about a guy hitting his plateau, KO is a great example.  He did what needed to be done at MU but he couldn't get that Tennessee sweatshirt on fast enough.

Where do you get the idea Keno Davis was offered?

To answer your question, Marquette is an attractive job but like any coaching job there are going to be issues of timing, geography, etc.  Grant is from the south, he has since turned down Illinois and others.  He is staying in the south.  Bennett, his wife is from the south, did it have an impact?  He is from Wisconsin, perhaps he is more intrigued by the Wisconsin job than Marquette long term.  How long did Marquette try to get a coach last time?  Three days?

What is the fascination of obtaining a name coach?  If that was the case, your man crush Buzz Williams wouldn't be here.  The greatest coach in 31 years of Marquette basketball wouldn't be roaming the sidelines.

Marquette has the history, the money, the leadership to grab a good coach.  They have a small, but vocal fan base that has enough pull to make life miserable for the administration if they were to somehow tank the program. How many people here said the NC State hire last year was a bad hire.  Yet they went to the Sweet 16 and are a top 15 program going into next year.  How many people here said Crean would be fired by IU by now?  Yet there they are, probably #1 in the country to start the season.  How many people four years ago said Chris Lowery should be a candidate?  On the other end of the spectrum, some mentioned John Groce back then who is now at Illinois.  Maybe they were right.  No one can predict the future.

You will forgive me if I don't get too excited about the opinions, especially Lenny's highly respected one (that's for you Little Murs), that so often do not come true.  These are message boards filled with emotional baggage and spaghetti against the walls.  We are fans, but we are not in the trenches hiring and firing basketball coaches.  MU has done pretty well in that regard

Maybe the best way to look at it Ners.  MU is batting 1.000 in the last 12 years of coaches.  When MU decided again to make a serious play at basketball, they hired Tom Crean.  Then they hired Buzz Williams.  Smart people making smart decisions. 

Now a few questions for you.

Where is your evidence, true evidence, that the university is looking to tank the program or bring it back to the Mike Deane era?  Before you answer that, remember that Mike Deane did some of the tanking himself based on how he recruited.  A better recruiter at that point of time would have done better for the program.

Secondly, do you believe Buzz should be able to do whatever he wants?  Do you acknowledge the role of an AD and a President and their position to run an athletic department and university?  Do you acknowledge that just because YOU think the off court issues are minor that a number of powerful alumni and administrators do not?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 20, 2012, 09:50:41 AM
Thank you! Add to that a new administration that seems intent on deemphasizing basketball, or at least reducing spending, and there's a headlight at the end of the tunnel.

They took our nickname. They took our bars. They hired lesbian deans. Why wouldn't they run Buzz off? They're arrogant eggheads!

Proof that MU is deemphasizing basketball?  Is this the same proof you had that Crean came up with Gold when it was proven that a marketing agency run by a member of the BOT did.  So you got burned on that one and you're doubling down on this one.

Lesbian deans?  Why are your homophobic statements continuing?  Multiple times you have made comments that are demeaning in that are and you have done this consistently in the last few months.  Grow up.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=30778.msg360780#msg360780

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27459.msg314294#msg314294

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27180.msg309242#msg309242

It's 2012.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2012, 10:13:51 AM


You will forgive me if I don't get too excited about the opinions, especially Lenny's highly respected one (that's for you Little Murs), that so often do not come true. 

Opinions don't "come true". You're confusing them with predictions.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 20, 2012, 10:22:43 AM
Proof that MU is deemphasizing basketball?  Is this the same proof you had that Crean came up with Gold when it was proven that a marketing agency run by a member of the BOT did.  So you got burned on that one and you're doubling down on this one.

Lesbian deans?  Why are your homophobic statements continuing?  Multiple times you have made comments that are demeaning in that are and you have done this consistently in the last few months.  Grow up.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=30778.msg360780#msg360780

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27459.msg314294#msg314294

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27180.msg309242#msg309242

It's 2012.
A. When was it "proven" that Crean didn't come up with Gold? The PR agency ( not marketing as you say) company run by the BOT member was trying to sell it. They didn't come up with it.
B. Great job on searching my posting history. Of course pointing out that Crocs, Segway tours and the Spanish O'Donnell's are best enjoyed by the most flamboyant among us certainly doesn't make anybody a homophobe, just a realist.

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Freeport Warrior on April 20, 2012, 01:51:40 PM
The PR agency ( not marketing as you say) company run by the BOT member
Go to your corners, gentlemen. Zizzo Group -- run by BOT member Anne Zizzo is "PR + Marketing" as listed on their letterhead.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 20, 2012, 02:29:10 PM
A. When was it "proven" that Crean didn't come up with Gold? The PR agency ( not marketing as you say) company run by the BOT member was trying to sell it. They didn't come up with it.
B. Great job on searching my posting history. Of course pointing out that Crocs, Segway tours and the Spanish O'Donnell's are best enjoyed by the most flamboyant among us certainly doesn't make anybody a homophobe, just a realist.



Zizzo is a marketing and PR firm, so they are a marketing firm exactly as I say.

They came up with the Gold.  Again, you have been proven wrong.

"But would Marquette remain the Golden Eagles, or something entirely new? Board member Ann Zizzo, of the Zizzo Group, and her team landed on the “Gold”. The Marquette Gold. Really? But then again, the Zizzo Group also suggested we name the 27th Street Corridor “Boomgard”."


http://www.jenders.com/2009/07/29/marquette-warriors-logo/

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2005/05/marquettes-trustee-losers.html



So now, where is your proof that the administration is trying to tank the program?  Where is it?


I have a family member that is part of the LGBT community. I noticed you using the term 6 months and said nothing.  You used it again recently twice.  We're in 2012.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on April 20, 2012, 02:56:56 PM
I have a family member that is part of the LGBT community. I noticed you using the term 6 months and said nothing.  You used it again recently twice.  We're in 2012.
Why don't you just take your own sage advice and just ignore it?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2012, 02:59:07 PM
Hoop,
You have been a big defender of the BOT, going so far as to defend them against claims of stupidity and mean spiritedness that you imagined people here have made. Then you post a link reminding us that the BOT voted UNANIMOUSLY to a) kill any chance of a return to the beloved Warriors nickname, b) drop the Golden Eagles c) turn us into the GOLD. While not accusing any idividual member of having a low IQ, your link proves beyond a doubt that as a group they are capable of making decisions (and unanimous ones at that) that define stupid.  
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: nathanziarek on April 20, 2012, 03:02:39 PM
Why don't you just take your own sage advice and just ignore it?
Yeah. For forever. Anytime you see an injustice or ignorance raise its ugly head, run. Turn the other cheek. Always. It's what Jesus wanted.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: nathanziarek on April 20, 2012, 03:06:30 PM
Hoop,
You have been a big defender of the BOT, going so far as to defend them against claims of stupidity and mean spiritedness that you imagined people here have made. Then you post a link reminging us that the BOT voted UNANIMOUSLY to a) kill any chance of a return to the beloved Warriors nickname, b) drop the Golden Eagles c) turn us into the GOLD. While not accusing any idividual member of having a low IQ, your link proves beyond a doubt that as a group they are capable of making decisions (and unanimous ones at that) that define stupid.  
Am I the only one on this board that didn't mind Gold? There are very few non-stupid team names out there. Jayhawks? Sooners? The decision to move away from Warriors is ancient history now. I know those damn liberals are ruining everything you love, but, maybe it's time to move on? Do we really even use "Golden Eagles" any more? Aren't we just "Marquette"?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MerrittsMustache on April 20, 2012, 03:14:05 PM
Am I the only one on this board that didn't mind Gold? There are very few non-stupid team names out there. Jayhawks? Sooners? The decision to move away from Warriors is ancient history now. I know those damn liberals are ruining everything you love, but, maybe it's time to move on? Do we really even use "Golden Eagles" any more? Aren't we just "Marquette"?

The only thing worse than "Gold" was the idea that Marquette shouldn't have a nickname at all and just be Marquette.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Sir Lawrence on April 20, 2012, 03:31:44 PM
Am I the only one on this board that didn't mind Gold? There are very few non-stupid team names out there. Jayhawks? Sooners? The decision to move away from Warriors is ancient history now. I know those damn liberals are ruining everything you love, but, maybe it's time to move on? Do we really even use "Golden Eagles" any more? Aren't we just "Marquette"?

I always thought that the "Jacques" would be a cool nickname for Marquette.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 20, 2012, 03:32:39 PM
The only thing worse than "Gold" was the idea that Marquette shouldn't have a nickname at all and just be Marquette.

I don't know, I kinda think no nickname is better than "Gold".  I think my typo "Golf" might be better than "Gold".  The Marquette Golf.  Still better than "Gold".
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Bocephys on April 20, 2012, 03:44:56 PM
I don't know, I kinda think no nickname is better than "Gold".  I think my typo "Golf" might be better than "Gold".  The Marquette Golf.  Still better than "Gold".

If only they would have seriously considered the Jumpin' Jesuits.  That would have been unique.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 20, 2012, 03:48:05 PM
An oldie but goodie


(http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/blog/gold.jpg)
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2012, 04:07:23 PM
Am I the only one on this board that didn't mind Gold?

The BOT voted 30-0 for Gold. I bet you wouldn't find 30 votes for it on this entire board (out of what? 1000?). Of course, the BOT is far wiser than the great unwashed at Scoop - I know this because Hoop tells me so.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on April 20, 2012, 04:11:57 PM
it could be worse, at least we're not the 'Orange"
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 20, 2012, 04:28:26 PM
I mean, this is a Jesuit institution, can't we use a little Old Testament? How about the "Hand of God."  I'd love to see the commentators: "The Hand of God just crushed West Virginia tonight..."  "The Hand of God was unstoppable from downtown tonight..."
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: nathanziarek on April 20, 2012, 05:16:24 PM
The BOT voted 30-0 for Gold. I bet you wouldn't find 30 votes for it on this entire board (out of what? 1000?). Of course, the BOT is far wiser than the great unwashed at Scoop - I know this because Hoop tells me so.
Well…I guess that puts me in not bad company then. I didn't love Gold anymore than I love Golden Eagles or Warriors. I believe in the power of words and branding, but none of those are really sticky or original.

I dont know. I'm clearly a minority opinion here.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 20, 2012, 05:45:42 PM
TJ did an excellent job of answering your question, most I agree with but will add a few of my own and correct some of your assertions.

KO ran himself off, not DiUlio.  He was a drunk who had some serious issues that put MU in a quandry if they ever got out.  He also publicly knocked the university.  Talk about a guy hitting his plateau, KO is a great example.  He did what needed to be done at MU but he couldn't get that Tennessee sweatshirt on fast enough.

Where do you get the idea Keno Davis was offered?

To answer your question, Marquette is an attractive job but like any coaching job there are going to be issues of timing, geography, etc.  Grant is from the south, he has since turned down Illinois and others.  He is staying in the south.  Bennett, his wife is from the south, did it have an impact?  He is from Wisconsin, perhaps he is more intrigued by the Wisconsin job than Marquette long term.  How long did Marquette try to get a coach last time?  Three days?

What is the fascination of obtaining a name coach?  If that was the case, your man crush Buzz Williams wouldn't be here.  The greatest coach in 31 years of Marquette basketball wouldn't be roaming the sidelines.

Marquette has the history, the money, the leadership to grab a good coach.  They have a small, but vocal fan base that has enough pull to make life miserable for the administration if they were to somehow tank the program. How many people here said the NC State hire last year was a bad hire.  Yet they went to the Sweet 16 and are a top 15 program going into next year.  How many people here said Crean would be fired by IU by now?  Yet there they are, probably #1 in the country to start the season.  How many people four years ago said Chris Lowery should be a candidate?  On the other end of the spectrum, some mentioned John Groce back then who is now at Illinois.  Maybe they were right.  No one can predict the future.

You will forgive me if I don't get too excited about the opinions, especially Lenny's highly respected one (that's for you Little Murs), that so often do not come true.  These are message boards filled with emotional baggage and spaghetti against the walls.  We are fans, but we are not in the trenches hiring and firing basketball coaches.  MU has done pretty well in that regard

Maybe the best way to look at it Ners.  MU is batting 1.000 in the last 12 years of coaches.  When MU decided again to make a serious play at basketball, they hired Tom Crean.  Then they hired Buzz Williams.  Smart people making smart decisions. 

Now a few questions for you.

Where is your evidence, true evidence, that the university is looking to tank the program or bring it back to the Mike Deane era?  Before you answer that, remember that Mike Deane did some of the tanking himself based on how he recruited.  A better recruiter at that point of time would have done better for the program.

Secondly, do you believe Buzz should be able to do whatever he wants?  Do you acknowledge the role of an AD and a President and their position to run an athletic department and university?  Do you acknowledge that just because YOU think the off court issues are minor that a number of powerful alumni and administrators do not?

You certainly learned well, Hoop, from the Master - The Bail Bondsman. You absorbed his knowledge and rhetorical style in that now famous Backyard Summit. Your posts reflect his style and sense of morbid outrage. The Bail Bondsman must be proud, Grasshopper.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 20, 2012, 05:48:51 PM
B. Great job on searching my posting history. Of course pointing out that Crocs, Segway tours and the Spanish O'Donnell's are best enjoyed by the most flamboyant among us certainly doesn't make anybody a homophobe, just a realist.



Beautifully stated.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 20, 2012, 05:59:12 PM
I mean, this is a Jesuit institution, can't we use a little Old Testament? How about the "Hand of God."  I'd love to see the commentators: "The Hand of God just crushed West Virginia tonight..."  "The Hand of God was unstoppable from downtown tonight..."

This is good. I actually laughed out loud. But a suggestion: why not "The Wrath of God?"

The Wrath of God smote the Louisville Cardinals tonight...

The Wrath of God obtained revenge for their defeat last week at Villanova...

On account of these The Wrath of God travels to The Garden...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 20, 2012, 06:36:28 PM
I always thought that the "Jacques" would be a cool nickname for Marquette.


I'm down with that for the lady's teams.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 20, 2012, 06:40:35 PM
I always thought that the "Jacques" would be a cool nickname for Marquette.

How about "The Straps?"
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: AZWarrior on April 20, 2012, 06:41:29 PM
This is good. I actually laughed out loud. But a suggestion: why not "The Wrath of God?"

The Wrath of God smote the Louisville Cardinals tonight...

The Wrath of God obtained revenge for their defeat last week at Villanova...

On account of these The Wrath of God travels to The Garden...

When they were changing the name, I would have been OK with "Hilltoppers".  But upon further review, "Wrath of God" would even top my first choice, which had been, of course, "Jumping Jesuits".  

Really, "Wrath of God" would be so choice.   ;D
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 20, 2012, 07:42:35 PM
I'm kind of partial to the MUskies.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 20, 2012, 07:49:30 PM
1.Warriors
2.Wrath of God
3.Hand of God
4.Golden Avalanche
5.Hilltoppers

Problem with 2 and 3 is the Jesuits are offended by the mention of "God" as much as by the mention of "War(riors)".
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 20, 2012, 07:51:52 PM
They came up with the Gold.  Again, you have been proven wrong.

"But would Marquette remain the Golden Eagles, or something entirely new? Board member Ann Zizzo, of the Zizzo Group, and her team landed on the “Gold”. The Marquette Gold. Really? But then again, the Zizzo Group also suggested we name the 27th Street Corridor “Boomgard”."


http://www.jenders.com/2009/07/29/marquette-warriors-logo/

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2005/05/marquettes-trustee-losers.html


I have a family member that is part of the LGBT community. I noticed you using the term 6 months and said nothing.  You used it again recently twice.  We're in 2012.
A. It'd be great if you provided a link suggesting the Gold nickname was from the Zizzo Group. Provide it.
B. I'm sorry your family member.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on April 20, 2012, 07:53:09 PM
You certainly learned well, Hoop, from the Master - The Bail Bondsman. You absorbed his knowledge and rhetorical style in that now famous Backyard Summit. Your posts reflect his style and sense of morbid outrage. The Bail Bondsman must be proud, Grasshopper.
What's wrong with any of what he said?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Sir Lawrence on April 20, 2012, 08:24:25 PM
How about "The Straps?"

Father Jacque "The Strap" Marquette.  Works for me.
Or in the original French, Pere Jacque "Le Sangle" Marquette.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 21, 2012, 01:26:53 AM
What's wrong with any of what he said?

It is not a question of right or wrong. My point is that this is The Bail Bondsman. He needs to quit the charade now. Pure BS.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: brewcity77 on April 21, 2012, 06:20:21 AM
This is good. I actually laughed out loud. But a suggestion: why not "The Wrath of God?"

The Wrath of God smote the Louisville Cardinals tonight...

The Wrath of God obtained revenge for their defeat last week at Villanova...

On account of these The Wrath of God travels to The Garden...

Wrath of God is pretty good...never happen, but I do like it.

I still think if it's not Warriors, let's just drop the moniker. Who says we need a nickname? No Gold, Golden Eagles, or Hilltoppers. Just Marquette. It always sounds awkward when anyone refers to us as the Golden Eagles, and most commentators just go with Marquette anyway, so why not stick with that? Seriously...who needs a nickname?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Hoopaloop on April 21, 2012, 10:32:10 AM
A. It'd be great if you provided a link suggesting the Gold nickname was from the Zizzo Group. Provide it.
B. I'm sorry your family member.

I did provide you several links about Zizzo and the Gold.  You have yet to provide one shred about Crean and Gold.  Not one.

Further, you have yet to provide any proof at all that the administration is tanking the program as you also assert.

Don't feel sorry for people that are LGBT, they are human like anyone else.  It isn't a choice.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 21, 2012, 03:23:03 PM
To help contribute to the off-topic nature of this thread (the MARCH TO 1000 pages!).  Hegarty's: not even a trace.  Not even a parking lot, just a field with straw covering. WTF.  I came up for a wedding at Gesu today, where the hell is my favorite dive bar.

Guess I'll have to go to the bar in the new law school... (but seriously, I want to re-enroll)
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 21, 2012, 03:52:24 PM
To help contribute to the off-topic nature of this thread (the MARCH TO 1000 pages!).  Hegarty's: not even a trace.  Not even a parking lot, just a field with straw covering. WTF.  I came up for a wedding at Gesu today, where the hell is my favorite dive bar.

Guess I'll have to go to the bar in the new law school... (but seriously, I want to re-enroll)

Back in the day there were two Hegarty's - Jim Hegarty's which had the world's largest urinal and Hegarty's Glocca Mora. I found that Jim Hegarty's attracted a more sophisticated clientele. Men of discerning taste who could fathom the difference between a Heileman's Old Style and Special Export. Hegarty's Glocca Mora was more down market, perhaps frivilous, yet still had a quaint charm in that it had a higher spandex factor. The loss of both still hurts.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: THEultimateWARRIOR on April 21, 2012, 03:53:36 PM
Can this annoying off topic thread end already...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 21, 2012, 03:57:40 PM
How do we go about petitioning the BOT to change the name of the team to The Wrath of God? There must be a process. I cannot help but feel this would be not only the most unique name in sports but would moswt accurately reflect the savage fury of our own special brand of 40 minutes of hell. Retribution!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: JakeBarnes on April 21, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
How do we go about petitioning the BOT to change the name of the team to The Wrath of God? There must be a process. I cannot help but feel this would be not only the most unique name in sports but would moswt accurately reflect the savage fury of our own special brand of 40 minutes of hell. Retribution!

Let's make it happen.  As I stated earlier, I'm in town now.  Someone meet me at the Al (scratch that, I have to be a reception soon... meet me at some water street bar and we'll imbibe in logic until we decide it's the opportune time to hit the Al)
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on April 21, 2012, 04:16:07 PM
I did provide you several links about Zizzo and the Gold.  You have yet to provide one shred about Crean and Gold.  Not one.

Further, you have yet to provide any proof at all that the administration is tanking the program as you also assert.

Don't feel sorry for people that are LGBT, they are human like anyone else.  It isn't a choice.

Definitely Chicos. Only he would think to make this up after stating his conservative opinion on every other post (as Hoopaloop).
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 21, 2012, 04:19:00 PM
IDon't feel sorry for people that are LGBT, they are human like anyone else.  It isn't a choice.

LGBT? WTFO?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 21, 2012, 04:32:33 PM
Back in the day there were two Hegarty's - Jim Hegarty's which had the world's largest urinal and Hegarty's Glocca Mora. I found that Jim Hegarty's attracted a more sophisticated clientele. Men of discerning taste who could fathom the difference between a Heileman's Old Style and Special Export. Hegarty's Glocca Mora was more down market, perhaps frivilous, yet still had a quaint charm in that it had a higher spandex factor. The loss of both still hurts.

Hegarty's Glocca Mora was The Black Spider in a previous life. Owners Bob and his wife Toots (last name escapes me) moved to 96th and National (or thereabouts) in the early 70s. Legendary Pat Devitt behind the bar and many equally legendary regulars, including Billy (Lefty) Keeler, Ronnie Armstrong and much of the MU Dental School. On the south end of the campus, it lacked the hardcore lowlife charm of Lennys or The Lanche, but it was the closest to "sophisticated" the campus had to offer.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: TJ on April 21, 2012, 04:38:23 PM
Can this annoying off topic thread end already...
Best way to do that is definitely to post in it.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 21, 2012, 04:52:24 PM
Hegarty's Glocca Mora was The Black Spider in a previous life. Owners Bob and his wife Toots (last name escapes me) moved to 96th and National (or thereabouts) in the early 70s. Legendary Pat Devitt behind the bar and many equally legendary regulars, including Billy (Lefty) Keeler, Ronnie Armstrong and much of the MU Dental School. On the south end of the campus, it lacked the hardcore lowlife charm of Lennys or The Lanche, but it was the closest to "sophisticated" the campus had to offer.

Lenny, is my memory failing me? Jim Hegarty's was on Wells Street near the Catholic Knights Tower? It was a hole in the wall place that had a charm that only connoisseurs and afficianados could identify and savor. It had a massive urinal in which Joey Farracca was found passed out.

Glocca Mora was over near the Rec Center? It was larger, better lit, and attracted a different crowd? I didn't drink there much, preferring the rarified air of Lenny's, the Lanche, and Jim Hegarty's.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: The Process on April 21, 2012, 05:12:19 PM
Jim Hegarty's was on Wells Street near the Catholic Knights Tower?

Yessir it was.  I miss that place.  :(
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 21, 2012, 05:26:54 PM
Yessir it was.  I miss that place.  :(

Classic hole in the wall bar where a man could find comfort either in the camaraderie of kindred spirits or the gentle caress of solitude and Oban single malt. Life was defined in the hazy blue smoke which spiraled upward through the red neon rays of one too many beer signs. It was a place where the denizens of the dark found refuge from the sharp sting of a January Milwaukee night. Where ideas were born...and where dreams slid into the coma of a silent, agonizing sleep. One could see Ron Cuzner bellied up to the bar, unfiltered Camel perched between thin lips, hacking the phlegm of a life lived richly.   
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Post by: Lennys Tap on April 21, 2012, 05:40:47 PM
Lenny, is my memory failing me? Jim Hegarty's was on Wells Street near the Catholic Knights Tower? It was a hole in the wall place that had a charm that only connoisseurs and afficianados could identify and savor. It had a massive urinal in which Joey Farracca was found passed out.

Glocca Mora was over near the Rec Center? It was larger, better lit, and attracted a different crowd? I didn't drink there much, preferring the rarified air of Lenny's, the Lanche, and Jim Hegarty's.

Jim Hegarty's was on Wells and about 12th, I think. Good, solid dive bar but not quite up to the standards of Lenny's or the Lanche for me. Hegarty's (or was it Haggarty's?) Glocca Mora was on Clybourn and 17th (where the old Black Spider was). Just west on Clybourn was Who's Inn, a dive mostly frequented by locals. Think that becme a diner.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: The Process on April 21, 2012, 05:45:43 PM
Jim Hegarty's was on Wells and about 12th, I think.

Yeah, on Wells between 11th and 12th (thank you Google Maps).  Unfortunately, if you do the satellite view now you'll see the building mostly demolished.  Street view still shows Hegarty's but it's from 2009.  Get a screen grab while you can, folks...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 21, 2012, 05:52:03 PM
Jim Hegarty's was on Wells and about 12th, I think. Good, solid dive bar but not quite up to the standards of Lenny's or the Lanche for me. Hegarty's (or was it Haggarty's?) Glocca Mora was on Clybourn and 17th (where the old Black Spider was). Just west on Clybourn was Who's Inn, a dive mostly frequented by locals. Think that becme a diner.

You are correct on the spelling of Glocca Mora - it was Haggarty. I liked Jim Hegarty's but much preferred The Lanche, Lenny's, and The Camel Club (16th & State.) The Camel Club was a real dive bar and we reveled in its nicotine stained walls until there was a shooting over a couple bucks. After that incident we curtailed our Camel sessions sharply. My wife lived in The Ardmore Apartments and you could go directly down into the bar through a back resident's entrance. Since I spent a lot of time with her, and she preferred The Ardmore, I spent a lot of time there too. (She was none too thrilled with Lenny's or The Camel Club, by the way.)

Whatever became of The Gym and Circle Inn? I rarely went to Circle Inn - I seem to recall it was more of a shoddy disco than serious drinking establishment. The Gym was always packed but it seemed to attract The Biff and Buffy crowd and had that Ted Mack Amateur Hour feel  - weak bellies puking in the bathroom, shrill coeds screeching for no apparent reason, and an overall sophomoric vibe.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: tower912 on April 21, 2012, 05:59:13 PM
I lived at Hegarty's, errrr, I lived in Tower for two years and hung out at Hegarty's.  Closed it every Sunday night for an entire semester.    It is where I would go for a convivial evening.   If I was looking for female companionship, I would venture west on Wells to either O'D's, the Gym, or Murphs.    The 'lanche was never my scene. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 21, 2012, 06:44:06 PM
Pride myself on knowledge of bars and need help on the Circle Inn. Can someone fill me in please.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 21, 2012, 07:03:51 PM
Hegarty's Glocca Mora was The Black Spider in a previous life. Owners Bob and his wife Toots (last name escapes me) moved to 96th and National (or thereabouts) in the early 70s. Legendary Pat Devitt behind the bar and many equally legendary regulars, including Billy (Lefty) Keeler, Ronnie Armstrong and much of the MU Dental School. On the south end of the campus, it lacked the hardcore lowlife charm of Lennys or The Lanche, but it was the closest to "sophisticated" the campus had to offer.


Stuck many quarters in the Black Spider's juke box listenin' to "Dead Skunk."
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 21, 2012, 07:06:35 PM
Pride myself on knowledge of bars and need help on the Circle Inn. Can someone fill me in please.


Just south of  Angelo's on 16th & Wells. Owned by Tony Machi who also owned Teddy's on Farwell.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 21, 2012, 07:08:51 PM
4ever
Did Circle Inn have another name at some point? I remember the joint now but closed prior to my time on campus.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 21, 2012, 07:09:54 PM
Meet Market
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jsglow on April 21, 2012, 07:13:31 PM

Just south of  Angelo's on 16th & Wells. Owned by Tony Machi who also owned Teddy's on Farwell.

Very faint memory.  Was it between Angelo's and Ardmore somehow?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jsglow on April 21, 2012, 07:20:39 PM
Goose,  I know you mentioned it before but what were your years on campus?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 21, 2012, 07:30:58 PM
'81-'89....full time the first four years
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 21, 2012, 07:38:54 PM
Very faint memory.  Was it between Angelo's and Ardmore somehow?

Yes, next door to Angelo's
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: avalanche on April 21, 2012, 07:55:04 PM
Since we are totally off subject,more on the old bars.

I recall the Meet Market opened up on March 17,1972 when Milwaukee County lowered drinking age to 18.   needless to say 17th and Wells crowd was out of control

Speaking of dives does anyone remember Peggy's Black and Tan on south side of State street around 18 th or 19th-a unique local and student crowd- made the lanche seem upscale
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jsglow on April 21, 2012, 08:07:01 PM
'81-'89....full time the first four years

Okay, 79-83 for me.  Frosh year Grunt's was the hang, NW corner of 16th & Wells.  Clear memories (okay, not so clear) of Journey blasting out over the jukebox.

Little quiz.  You guys remember the name we gave to 'alternative to the bars' initiative over at the Rec?
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Post by: warriorchick on April 21, 2012, 09:47:43 PM
Okay, 79-83 for me.  Frosh year Grunt's was the hang, NW corner of 16th & Wells.  Clear memories (okay, not so clear) of Journey blasting out over the jukebox.

Little quiz.  You guys remember the name we gave to 'alternative to the bars' initiative over at the Rec?

"Alternative to the Vax" because it was mostly Asian engineering students at the rec center on Saturday night.
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Post by: GGGG on April 21, 2012, 09:51:00 PM
"Alternative to the Vax" because it was mostly Asian engineering students at the rec center on Saturday night.


And apparently warriorchick.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Bocephys on April 21, 2012, 09:52:15 PM

And apparently warriorchick.

Warriorchick is Asian?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warriorchick on April 21, 2012, 10:05:05 PM

And apparently warriorchick.

Nope...just walking past on my way to the bars.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 21, 2012, 10:34:31 PM
I lived at Hegarty's, errrr, I lived in Tower for two years and hung out at Hegarty's.  Closed it every Sunday night for an entire semester.    It is where I would go for a convivial evening.   If I was looking for female companionship, I would venture west on Wells to either O'D's, the Gym, or Murphs.    The 'lanche was never my scene. 

I really liked  Hegarty's, but must admit I spent more time at the Gym.  My favorite things about Hegarty's were 25¢ draft beers (six ozs, I think), and green beer for two to three weeks after St. Patrick's Day.  Man, would you ever sink into those worn to sh*t booth seat cushions.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 21, 2012, 10:37:43 PM
'81-'89....full time the first four years

Unlike forever, no seven years of college down the drain for you dude!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dawson Rental on April 21, 2012, 10:42:58 PM
So....  getting back to the topic of this thread...

Who remembers the house special cocktail at the Ardmore which featured two shots of vodka, two shots of gin, two shots of rum, and lime juice(?)?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 4everwarriors on April 22, 2012, 04:53:38 AM
So....  getting back to the topic of this thread...

Who remembers the house special cocktail at the Ardmore which featured two shots of vodka, two shots of gin, two shots of rum, and lime juice(?)?


Sure, that's where all the shysters hung out.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on April 22, 2012, 09:14:03 AM
Yeah, on Wells between 11th and 12th (thank you Google Maps).  Unfortunately, if you do the satellite view now you'll see the building mostly demolished.  Street view still shows Hegarty's but it's from 2009.  Get a screen grab while you can, folks...

My best recall of Hegarty's is that is where we would stop for carryouts on our walk to the basketball games to purchase an 8 pack of those small Miller bottles which would then be strategically stashed in your parka (two in the hood!) before entering the arena.

See, this is a basketball-related thread!
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Post by: Goose on April 22, 2012, 09:37:34 AM
Spaniel
Those were the best hiding beers on the planet and perfect for sneaking into venues. I was thinking about a guy from early '80's and wonder if anyone remembers him. He dressed like superman and called himself Captain V.O.. Remember some pregames when he entered the bar and always was an event.
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Post by: Canadian Dimes on April 22, 2012, 09:51:02 AM
So....  getting back to the topic of this thread...

Who remembers the house special cocktail at the Ardmore which featured two shots of vodka, two shots of gin, two shots of rum, and lime juice(?)?

Wasnt it the zombie or something??
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 22, 2012, 10:04:39 AM
Wasnt it the zombie or something??

The Zombie
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: AZWarrior on April 22, 2012, 10:13:50 AM
Hegarty's Glocca Mora was The Black Spider in a previous life. Owners Bob and his wife Toots (last name escapes me) moved to 96th and National (or thereabouts) in the early 70s. Legendary Pat Devitt behind the bar and many equally legendary regulars, including Billy (Lefty) Keeler, Ronnie Armstrong and much of the MU Dental School. On the south end of the campus, it lacked the hardcore lowlife charm of Lennys or The Lanche, but it was the closest to "sophisticated" the campus had to offer.

For a while, "The Gloc" was the unofficial Navy ROTC bar as well.  Decent tacos, too.  I recall preparing for a final exam eating tacos and drinking beer at the Gloc.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 22, 2012, 10:16:45 AM
For a while, "The Gloc" was the unofficial Navy ROTC bar as well.  Decent tacos, too.  I recall preparing for a final exam eating tacos and drinking beer at the Gloc.

Navy ROTC - For those unable to Aim High?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: AZWarrior on April 22, 2012, 10:25:08 AM
"Alternative to the Vax" because it was mostly Asian engineering students at the rec center on Saturday night.

How'd you know it was a 'VAX"?    :)
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warriorchick on April 22, 2012, 05:40:24 PM
How'd you know it was a 'VAX"?    :)

Because it also served as the only word processing machine on campus.  I typed a term paper on there once.  I could have typed it 5 times on an IBM Selectric in the same amount of time.
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Post by: Dawson Rental on April 22, 2012, 05:44:36 PM
Wasnt it the zombie or something??

My recollection was it was called the Vulcan Mind Probe.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: AZWarrior on April 22, 2012, 06:50:00 PM
Because it also served as the only word processing machine on campus.  I typed a term paper on there once.  I could have typed it 5 times on an IBM Selectric in the same amount of time.

Gotcha.  Given the state of editors back then, I am quite sympathetic.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mileskishnish72 on April 23, 2012, 01:43:42 PM
Divided my time between the Ardmore and the Black Spider - former chasing skirts, latter for chow (remember the jackstraws?).
Moved with the Spider out to West Allis and remember watching an NCAA game there. There was a close play and I yelled "Charge" just as the guy next to me yelled "Block!" They showed a slo-mo which convinced both of us we were right. I figure what does this guy know about basketball. We both went to the gents' at a TO and I realized this is one tall dude. Dave DeBusschere, in town for a game, and apparently a friend of Pat's.
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Post by: Lennys Tap on April 23, 2012, 02:10:33 PM
Divided my time between the Ardmore and the Black Spider - former chasing skirts, latter for chow (remember the jackstraws?).
Moved with the Spider out to West Allis and remember watching an NCAA game there. There was a close play and I yelled "Charge" just as the guy next to me yelled "Block!" They showed a slo-mo which convinced both of us we were right. I figure what does this guy know about basketball. We both went to the gents' at a TO and I realized this is one tall dude. Dave DeBusschere, in town for a game, and apparently a friend of Pat's.

In addition to the jackstraws the Spider also had a great (and reasonable) little steak they served on a skillet. Good food, a level pool table, adequate jukebox, eclectic clientele and the inimitable Pat Devitt made it kind of a "bar for all seasons". I was out of school (and Milwaukee) when they moved to West Allis but I made it a point to visit whenever I made it to beertown. Many of the same "regulars", but the place wasn't quite the same.
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Post by: Slim on April 23, 2012, 02:24:20 PM
You guys (and chick) are hilarious. I despise these "Buzz to" threads and avoid them. If I would have known this was a "old dive bar thread, I would have been all over it.

The Gloc was on 18th not 17th - I lived on 17th. Tower, I can't believe you didn't like the Lanche. For god's sake, there was nothing not to like - unless you had class.

My favorite Circle Inn story was when I was walking by (because I almost never walked in) and a rat ran out the front door.

Dive Bars and SAGA - my formative years.
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Post by: Dawson Rental on April 23, 2012, 02:39:50 PM
You guys (and chick) are hilarious. I despise these "Buzz to" threads and avoid them. If I would have known this was a "old dive bar thread, I would have been all over it.

The Gloc was on 18th not 17th - I lived on 17th. Tower, I can't believe you didn't like the Lanche. For god's sake, there was nothing not to like - unless you had class.

My favorite Circle Inn story was when I was walking by (because I almost never walked in) and a rat ran out the front door.

Dive Bars and SAGA - my formative years.

There were nights that I wish I'd been as smart as that rat.
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Post by: mileskishnish72 on April 23, 2012, 04:49:38 PM
Damn, Lenny, you are OLD! Although I've got to admit, my MKE years were for grad school. The skillet was the Black Spider. The first summer I stayed in MKE I ate there 3 nights out of 4 and noted stretch marks on my thighs by the end of the summer.
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 04:50:03 PM
There were nights that I wish I'd been as smart as that rat.

Circle Inn had a reputation as the local clearinghouse for illicit drug transactions. My first roommate was the son of a Dean and from Menominee Falls (hence my immersion in ZMF.) Guy spent more time stoned and dealing than anything else. He ended up getting busted with a local Milwaukee radio disc jockey in a widely publicized sting operation.

I seem to recall Circle Inn was closed due to significant drug trafficking. The place sat empty for the rest of my time at Marquette.
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 04:54:38 PM
I remember guys used to Chew and Screw from Angelos and then sprint back to McCormick. The cooks would always come running out the back door of the restaurant in the alley between it and Circle Inn.

One time Marty Costello did a variation on the Dine & Dash formula - after the waitress served the pizza on its aluminum platter Marty grabbed it and bolted out for McCormick. Marty was a chain smoker and the cook was right on his ass all the way into the dorm. It was winter and the lobby was slippery. Marty slipped rounding the security desk before the vators, sending an Angelo's Special flying. The cook had Marty, who had to pay for the pie and was banned from Angelo's for life.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Goose on April 23, 2012, 04:58:26 PM
I have heard stories about DeBusschere that he literally could pack away more beers than anyone in the bar. One story that I really liked was after a long night at a MU bar he forgot his duffle bag and arrived to Detroit less his gear. Not sure if completely true, but that is what legends are made of.
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
I have heard stories about DeBusschere that he literally could pack away more beers than anyone in the bar. One story that I really liked was after a long night at a MU bar he forgot his duffle bag and arrived to Detroit less his gear. Not sure if completely true, but that is what legends are made of.

He also did commercials for Campbell's Hungry Man soups.
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Post by: Desert_warrior on April 23, 2012, 05:01:32 PM
I was a bartender at The Gym from 94-96ish. Is there a bar still there now?
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Post by: Goose on April 23, 2012, 05:03:52 PM
The Gym is long gone!
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Post by: cheebs09 on April 23, 2012, 05:04:43 PM
I was a bartender at The Gym from 94-96ish. Is there a bar still there now?

The answer to any of the questions like this is no, unless the question includes Murphy's or Caffery's.
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 05:06:41 PM
I found the Hegarty's Obituary...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/92405674.html

The lead photo has an Animal House-esque feel as the workers haul out the juke box...Belushi draining a fifth of Jack...
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 05:16:27 PM
I was a bartender at The Gym from 94-96ish. Is there a bar still there now?

Wonder what happened to the memorabilia that was on the walls? There were great photos of the old Warriors in the 60's Racing Stripes and Bumblebees. Shame if they didn't find a proper home
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Post by: Goose on April 23, 2012, 05:20:27 PM
Poster of the Garden from NiT was my favorite in ThE Gym Bar. The basketball in plaque honoring opening night was special as well.
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 05:24:21 PM
Poster of the Garden from NiT was my favorite in ThE Gym Bar. The basketball in plaque honoring opening night was special as well.

They had a shot of Meminger carrying the NIT trophy around the Garden floor on his head. That was when the NIT was actually very well regarded vis-a-vis the NCAA. I hope that photo is above some mantle somewhere.
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Post by: Goose on April 23, 2012, 05:29:15 PM
When original owners sold to Frenn's they left most of the place the same. Not sure what happened after it was sold or closed after Frenn's took over. The framed basketball is in good hands.
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Post by: LloydMooresLegs on April 23, 2012, 05:39:32 PM
When original owners sold to Frenn's they left most of the place the same. Not sure what happened after it was sold or closed after Frenn's took over. The framed basketball is in good hands.

Richie and Paulie left it the same just like they left all of their apartments the same every year!
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 05:45:19 PM
The image of Lloyd Moore's legs is disturbing
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: real chili 83 on April 23, 2012, 06:06:37 PM
Anyone remember nickel beer night at Good Time Charlies?  They had great cheeseburgers too.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 06:08:36 PM
Anyone remember nickel beer night at Good Time Charlies?  They had great cheeseburgers too.

God, that's a name from the past! That was a new guy promotion to drive traffic. And I recall their hamburgers which were on special certain nights. What happened to that joint?
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 06:14:21 PM
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The heart and soul of a people, Stone Cold. The collective hopes, dreams, fears, joys, and angst of a tribe.
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Post by: real chili 83 on April 23, 2012, 06:14:47 PM
Looks like the building was torn down and bought by the hospital.  They had a good pool table and the original Space Invaders.  Also a killer stereo.  You could count on Van Halen and Pink Floyd The Wall cranked to 119 decibels.  Played lots of pool there with Radar from Cleveland.  Never have run into him, or Gator from Boca Raton since graduation.
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 06:21:05 PM
Looks like the building was torn down and bought by the hospital.  They had a good pool table and the original Space Invaders.  Also a killer stereo.  You could count on Van Halen and Pink Floyd The Wall cranked to 119 decibels.  Played lots of pool there with Radar from Cleveland.  Never have run into him, or Gator from Boca Raton since graduation.

I'll admit. We would hit Good Time Charlie's on nickel beer or dime burger night before heading on to our preferred watering holes - Lanche/Lenny's/Camel Club/Hegarty's. Of course, by the time Charlie's opened up I think the Camel Club had that murder so it was essentially off our list.
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Post by: Dawson Rental on April 23, 2012, 06:31:47 PM
Wonder what happened to the memorabilia that was on the walls? There were great photos of the old Warriors in the 60's Racing Stripes and Bumblebees. Shame if they didn't find a proper home

I believe for a while the framed pictures went to the Ardmore.  6 or 8 years ago, they we're sold to anyone in the bar who wanted one.  I know the guy who got the McGuire picture.  It's in Jersey now.
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Post by: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 06:37:49 PM
I believe for a while the framed pictures went to the Ardmore.  6 or 8 years ago, they we're sold to anyone in the bar who wanted one.  I know the guy who got the McGuire picture.  It's in Jersey now.

I had one of those mugs at the Ardmore. Forgot to collect it when I left town. Wonder if it's now in Jersey.
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Post by: rocky_warrior on April 24, 2012, 12:22:59 AM
I was a bartender at The Gym from 94-96ish. Is there a bar still there now?
Yes, in both it's former locations but...

The Gym is long gone!

...is true as well.

The answer to any of the questions like this is no, unless the question includes Murphy's or Caffery's.

But the trick answer, is that the "Gym" had operated at both of those locations (but they never had 2 locations).  Details on the wiki...

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/bars/the_gym_bar
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: wyzgy on April 24, 2012, 06:50:31 AM
Jim Hegarty's was on Wells and about 12th, I think. Good, solid dive bar but not quite up to the standards of Lenny's or the Lanche for me. Hegarty's (or was it Haggarty's?) Glocca Mora was on Clybourn and 17th (where the old Black Spider was). Just west on Clybourn was Who's Inn, a dive mostly frequented by locals. Think that becme a diner.

just tripped over this thread-good ole jerry hegarty wants to see you sign and the indelible "felz houston ate his hands" engraved in the mens room wall above the pisser.  i worked for old man hegarty before he passed aqnd then managed the apartment blg for 4 years-tripped over 2 dead people/tennants looking for them.  they were older and made that place their home for many years amongst the students,  lloyd walton lived their for a year or two after his playing days trying to catch on to some coaching-like dave chappell-he didn't do drugs at all, just smoked a little weed shall we say-he was a great guy, always scheming.  i lived on the 2nd floor of the newly remodeled part of the bldg above jerry boyles ofc when one december or january night tom copa ran over this girls legs while skitching down wells and damn near killed her; just put her in a nursing home at the are of 20.  boy. they pushed that one under the carpet......quickly.  see this an mu hoops thread-i worked it in  needless to say, tom copas carreer went down the toilet.  there was a lot of talk of him going to the nfl.  i had ushers coming ove to have beers during the sermons at gesu. buy a pack of halls and go back and finish er off...8:00 am mass.  i havre many stories of the old man and then his son and the clientel
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Post by: real chili 83 on April 24, 2012, 06:57:59 AM
Am I hallucinating, or didn't Copa spend about 5 minutes in the NBA?
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Post by: tower912 on April 24, 2012, 07:01:44 AM
Copa spent about 5 minutes in the NBA with San Antonio.   
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Post by: pbiflyer on April 24, 2012, 07:05:05 AM
Am I hallucinating, or didn't Copa spend about 5 minutes in the NBA?

Yep.
His career stats:
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1992    1992    33    132    22    40    0    0    4    13    14    36    3    2    6    8    29    48    .550       .308    4.0    1.5    1.1    0.1
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: wyzgy on April 24, 2012, 07:21:17 AM
Am I hallucinating, or didn't Copa spend about 5 minutes in the NBA?

oh yeah, he was a big body-very average, but had an nba body
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: BrewCity83 on April 24, 2012, 07:49:20 AM
From the js story on the closing of Hegarty's came this poll:

Which now-gone Marquette-area bar do you miss most?
The Avalanche (35%)
The Gym (19%)
Jim Hegarty's (22%)
Grunts (4%)
The Ardmore (13%)
The Mug Rack (6%)
Total Responses: 2801

The Circle Inn was a popular hangout for my high school (Brookfield Central) in the late '70's.  By the time I got to MU in '79, I rarely went in there since there were still so many high schoolers in there.

Anyone remember the Greentree Pub?  They had $2.00 all-the-$hitty-beer-you-could-drink nights on Thursdays.  A good way to start a night out...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on April 24, 2012, 08:38:10 AM
From the js story on the closing of Hegarty's came this poll:

Which now-gone Marquette-area bar do you miss most?
The Avalanche (35%)
The Gym (19%)
Jim Hegarty's (22%)
Grunts (4%)
The Ardmore (13%)
The Mug Rack (6%)
Total Responses: 2801

The Circle Inn was a popular hangout for my high school (Brookfield Central) in the late '70's.  By the time I got to MU in '79, I rarely went in there since there were still so many high schoolers in there.

Anyone remember the Greentree Pub?  They had $2.00 all-the-$hitty-beer-you-could-drink nights on Thursdays.  A good way to start a night out...

The Greentree was a good way to start and end the night. 

And remember that place (I think owned by Charlie and /or his son (Bernie?) of Good Time Charlie's) on State called O'Paget's?  Pretty popular in the mid-80s, and a good place to watch a Blackhawks game (and, in fact, where Mrs. LloydMoore'sLegs and I had our first "Marquette Date").
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on April 24, 2012, 08:39:21 AM
The image of Lloyd Moore's legs is disturbing

And Mrs. LloydMoore'sLegs agrees with you, WHD.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: wyzgy on April 24, 2012, 08:58:06 AM
the circle inn was where we would end our evenings on our way back to home(mccormick) just to check for one last call of local talent and a flaming shot of 151.  no visits to st. marys burn center except for the hole in my stomach
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 24, 2012, 09:03:36 AM
Anyone remember the Greentree Pub?  They had $2.00 all-the-$hitty-beer-you-could-drink nights on Thursdays.  A good way to start a night out...


Thursdays?  In the late 80s they were charging  that on Fridays and Saturdays.  Complete underage hangout.

They closed it my junior year, but they moved it (name and everything) across the viaduct.  They opened at this wonderful location in early February, and half the student body walked across the viaduct in freezing temps.  The police raided the place and closed it down the night it opened and there was a steady stream of very cold students coming back to campus around midnight.

Luckily I was already of age at the time and was likely at either the Ardmore or the Lanche when this all went down.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 24, 2012, 09:13:19 AM

Thursdays?  In the late 80s they were charging  that on Fridays and Saturdays.  Complete underage hangout.

They closed it my junior year, but they moved it (name and everything) across the viaduct.  They opened at this wonderful location in early February, and half the student body walked across the viaduct in freezing temps.  The police raided the place and closed it down the night it opened and there was a steady stream of very cold students coming back to campus around midnight.

Luckily I was already of age at the time and was likely at either the Ardmore or the Lanche when this all went down.

I remember when the viaduct move happened!  It was a sad day when the original location closed.  I always started the night at teh all you can drink at The Greentree. 

The Lanche was always my favorite.  After my final Sr. year final exam, which finished mid-morning, I spent the entire day and night at the Lanche.  I left once to get some lunch from Wales on Wells.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 24, 2012, 09:13:48 AM
The Greentree was a good way to start and end the night. 

And remember that place (I think owned by Charlie and /or his son (Bernie?) of Good Time Charlie's) on State called O'Paget's?  Pretty popular in the mid-80s, and a good place to watch a Blackhawks game (and, in fact, where Mrs. LloydMoore'sLegs and I had our first "Marquette Date").

First post - Lived above O’pagets  ’82 & ’83 and it was Charlie’s oldest  son who owned the bar with his father.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: GGGG on April 24, 2012, 09:25:40 AM
I remember when the viaduct move happened!  It was a sad day when the original location closed.  I always started the night at teh all you can drink at The Greentree. 

The Lanche was always my favorite.  After my final Sr. year final exam, which finished mid-morning, I spent the entire day and night at the Lanche.  I left once to get some lunch from Wales on Wells.


I used to go down to eat at Wales on Wells even after I graduated and was just a poor young graduate living in Milwaukee.  One day I pulled up, parked on Wells, walked up to the front door, and noticed it was closed...for good.

A little piece of me died that day.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Warriors10 on April 24, 2012, 09:35:59 AM
15 years boys.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warriorchick on April 24, 2012, 09:46:06 AM
First post - Lived above O’pagets  ’82 & ’83 and it was Charlie’s oldest  son who owned the bar with his father.

Welcome, newsdrms!  I recognize your handle from College Confidential.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 24, 2012, 02:53:57 PM
Welcome, newsdrms!  I recognize your handle from College Confidential.

Hi! Yeah been there...helping kids after the three of mine made it into three different colleges!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: tower912 on April 24, 2012, 03:36:12 PM
O'P's should have been more popular than it was.   Only bar on campus with a real dance floor and also had multiple pool tables.   Only time I ever got hustled on a pool table, and I saw it coming but couldn't talk my drunker-than-me roommate into turning down the bet.   I was shooting some real good stick and a total stranger walked up and wanted to play us for  $10 a game.   My roommate thought it was too good to be true and then I never saw the table.    I made his stupid, drunk ass by me a chimi on the long walk home as an apology. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: thebigjake on April 24, 2012, 03:50:40 PM
First time I walked into OP's was the "last weekend before it closes" celebration. Place was packed and tons of fun, but it had been off the bar radar for so long our generation knew nothing about it before that night.  This was '89, I think.

The place made so much cash that night it kept dragging out the closing for weeks. There were like three or four "final" nights at OP's. Once those died down it closed for real. We kept wondering why the place wasn't more popular. I'm still not sure. Maybe the campus had started to shrink so much by then it was considered too far away. It was amazing how quickly the campus shrunk in those 3-4 years.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: real chili 83 on April 24, 2012, 03:58:31 PM
First time I walked into OP's was the "last weekend before it closes" celebration. Place was packed and tons of fun, but it had been off the bar radar for so long our generation knew nothing about it before that night.  This was '89, I think.

The place made so much cash that night it kept dragging out the closing for weeks. There were like three or four "final" nights at OP's. Once those died down it closed for real. We kept wondering why the place wasn't more popular. I'm still not sure. Maybe the campus had started to shrink so much by then it was considered too far away. It was amazing how quickly the campus shrunk in those 3-4 years.

OP's was definitely stumbling distance from Schroeder and Cobeen.  Good Time Charley's was even closer....13th and State.

This might be a strange sounding recollection....was at Good Time Charley's when the news broke that Reagan was shot.  Skipped a class and was having lunch with a gal from Cleveland...and a few brews.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Freeport Warrior on April 24, 2012, 04:33:11 PM
OP's was my favorite sophomore year. I was 19, so I could drink legally, but one of the last nights (that caused them to get thousands and thousands in fines and ultimately close), the MPD carted away what seemed like hundreds of kids in paddywagons.  I remember freshman sharp shooter, Mark Anglavar in tears pleading with the po-po to no avail. The best part was that dance floor that was stocked with Mounty Mary chicks looking for love. Just request a little Bizarre Love Triangle and sit back and enjoy . . .
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 24, 2012, 05:20:05 PM
Years after I left campus I heard the Lanche had "Naked Beer Slides" What was that all about?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: mu_hilltopper on April 24, 2012, 09:49:03 PM

I used to go down to eat at Wales on Wells even after I graduated and was just a poor young graduate living in Milwaukee.  One day I pulled up, parked on Wells, walked up to the front door, and noticed it was closed...for good.

A little piece of me died that day.

Mr. Wales lived across the street from me for years .. until the bank foreclosed on his home.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 24, 2012, 10:07:15 PM
Years after I left campus I heard the Lanche had "Naked Beer Slides" What was that all about?

Uhh...
http://www.onmilwaukee.com/bars/articles/nakedbeerslides.html
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 25, 2012, 03:13:08 AM
No way on that floor...
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 25, 2012, 09:06:00 AM
Never saw that happen between '79 & '83, but do have to plead guilty on breaking empty beer bottles many times inside the 'Lanche.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: real chili 83 on April 25, 2012, 09:13:22 AM
Never saw that happen between '79 & '83, but do have to plead guilty on breaking empty beer bottles many times inside the 'Lanche.

That's my time too.  Never saw a slide.  Not even fro Chris Farley, who was a couple years behind me.  Lots of busted bottles though.  I gotta believe this started after the Lanche's insurance company put a moratorium on $.50 bottles of Red White & Blue.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warriorchick on April 25, 2012, 09:31:38 AM
That's my time too.  Never saw a slide.  Not even fro Chris Farley, who was a couple years behind me.  Lots of busted bottles though.  I gotta believe this started after the Lanche's insurance company put a moratorium on $.50 bottles of Red White & Blue.


I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else.  Just like all the people who claim they have been cow-tipping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 25, 2012, 09:36:09 AM

I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else.  Just like all the people who claim they have been cow-tipping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping

I witnessed sliding at closing time on several occasions.  I had two roommates do it because "they had to try it at least once."
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: StillAWarrior on April 25, 2012, 09:40:00 AM

I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else.  Just like all the people who claim they have been cow-tipping.



I can't say with any certainty how often naked beer slides occurred at the 'Lanche (it wasn't really one of my usual hangouts), but I do know that at least one occurred.  I was there.  I saw it.  I know the guy who did it.  Beyond that, I can't really say for sure.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 🏀 on April 25, 2012, 09:53:14 AM

I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else.  Just like all the people who claim they have been cow-tipping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping

Was not around for The Avalanche, but cow-tipping is pretty common in my parts.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warriorchick on April 25, 2012, 10:07:00 AM
Was not around for The Avalanche, but cow-tipping is pretty common in my parts.

Pics or it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Dunkenstein on April 25, 2012, 10:24:59 AM
I saw a handful of slides in the early '90's at the Lanche, most were painful to watch.  I was in Murphy's (the original Gym) this past summer for the 20-year reunion and witnessed another one at closing time.  As you can imagine in this day and age, it was caught on tape.  It was quite comical, one of the bartenders got on the PA system and started encouraging the guy to do it.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: lab_warrior on April 25, 2012, 10:37:06 AM
That's my time too.  Never saw a slide.  Not even fro Chris Farley, who was a couple years behind me.  Lots of busted bottles though.  I gotta believe this started after the Lanche's insurance company put a moratorium on $.50 bottles of Red White & Blue.

Never saw that happen between '79 & '83, but do have to plead guilty on breaking empty beer bottles many times inside the 'Lanche.

The 'Lanche closed my Freshman year, which was a massive bummer, but I was able to get in there a couple times with my super-duper Iowa fake ID.  Did not see any naked beer slides, though.  Empty, broken beer bottles? Yes.  Red White & Blue beer?  Also, yes.  Blech, that stuff was hard to take...pretty sure that is the "fermented horse urine" Borat drinks in Kazakhstan.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Freeport Warrior on April 25, 2012, 10:38:46 AM

I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else.
Viewed the rare chick beer slide only once (bra and panties), but with the rugby guys, it was an almost nightly occurrence toward the end of the semester. Also saw three brothers, arms around each other, doing one together at the end of finals week in 1990.  
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: 🏀 on April 25, 2012, 11:19:04 AM
Pics or it doesn't exist.

I'll get some high schooler to snap some photos then.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 25, 2012, 11:45:26 AM

I have the feeling that the naked beer slide was more urban legend than anything else.  Just like all the people who claim they have been cow-tipping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping

Both were favorites of Chris Farley. Go figure.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Canadian Dimes on April 25, 2012, 12:29:30 PM
OPs and Good time Charlies were great places.  We used to walk to the games and were customary stop offs to warm up and have a beer at each place before braving the walk accross the overpass or to warm up after coming back across.

Naked beer slides were witnessed multiple times.  The lanche was my hangout 6 + nights a week for 2+ years .  the muddy beer soaked tile floor was a perfect surface to watch drunks run too fast and slide at top speed before crashing into a wall or video game.  Good times
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Norm on April 25, 2012, 12:48:33 PM

Thursdays?  In the late 80s they were charging  that on Fridays and Saturdays.  Complete underage hangout.

They closed it my junior year, but they moved it (name and everything) across the viaduct.  They opened at this wonderful location in early February, and half the student body walked across the viaduct in freezing temps.  The police raided the place and closed it down the night it opened and there was a steady stream of very cold students coming back to campus around midnight.

Luckily I was already of age at the time and was likely at either the Ardmore or the Lanche when this all went down.
Hah! I was at the "new" Green Tree the night it was busted. It was a couple weeks after it opened, as I went there 3-4 times prior to the big bust. While the cops were busting people at the front door, my roommate and I finished our beers and our game of pool and then went out the emergency door, setting off the alarm, and a big group followed us out. The cops were too busy in the front to go after us. Had a big laugh on the walk home.

My freshmen year floor at McCormick practically lived at the "original" Green Tree. They would raffle off bongs, jugs of wine, boxes of Cracker Jacks, and all sorts of stuff. Seemed like every guy who won a bong lived on my floor. After the "new" Green Tree closed, they eventually reopened the "original" one about a year or two later, but the vibe was totally different and it pretty much catered to locals and bums in the area.

Lots of evenings freshmen year were spent strolling between OP's, Good Time Charlies, the State House and Green Tree. There was actually a bouncer at the Lanche that year who I went to high school with who would never let me in because he knew I was under age. Once he graduated the next year I spent lots of hours putting back 50 cent Red, White and Blues, and yes, watching hundreds of naked beer slides. Never did one myself because I never got over watching Joe Nathan do one where he got up afterwards with glass shards all over his body. Yikes!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on April 25, 2012, 01:49:39 PM
DO NOT TRY TO TIP COWS!!

Cows aren't easy to tip over, and a failed attempt wakes the cow and freaks it out, so it starts mooing, and then all the other cows wake up and start mooing and coming over to see whats wrong, and suddenly you're surrounded by big freaked out cows making lots of noise and the lights come on in the house and... well I advise against the practice.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: AZWarrior on April 25, 2012, 02:26:31 PM
Was not around for The Avalanche, but cow-tipping is pretty common in my parts.

PTM - your cred just took a hit.  Cows don't sleep standing up.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 25, 2012, 02:29:49 PM
DO NOT TRY TO TIP COWS!!

Cows aren't easy to tip over, and a failed attempt wakes the cow and freaks it out, so it starts mooing, and then all the other cows wake up and start mooing and coming over to see whats wrong, and suddenly you're surrounded by big freaked out cows making lots of noise and the lights come on in the house and... well I advise against the practice.


So, you are saying, cow tipping is like an off season Scoop thread then?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 25, 2012, 02:31:31 PM
Seems by the evidence that the naked slides were more prevalent during late 80's & 90's. Anyone here use to go the Stone Toad & The Palms? Saw lots of good bands at those clubs ;D

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on April 25, 2012, 02:43:46 PM
Seems by the evidence that the naked slides were more prevalent during late 80's & 90's. Anyone here use to go the Stone Toad & The Palms? Saw lots of good bands at those clubs ;D



The Palms
2600 W. State St.
The cavernous Palms (later a strip club) had no shortage of great gigs in the late '70s and early '80s, including U2, The Police, Bauhaus, Nick Lowe, Magazine, Wall of Voodoo, Gang of Four, David Johansen, The Pretenders, Talking Heads, Husker Du, The Replacements, The Ramones, 999, Squeeze, The (English) Beat, The Stranglers and Siouxsie and the Banshees. Alas, we can only remember seeing Milwaukee trio Kafka on the toweringly-high stage. The club was in the national news on Jan. 19, 1981 when The Plasmatics played there and singer Wendy O' Williams was arrested on an obscenity charge. Williams claimed MPD beat and sexually assaulted her.

Spent many nights and many dollars at The Palms.

The Avalanche Super Bar
15th and Wells Streets
For more than 60 years, The 'Lanche was more than a staple to the Marquette community -- it was home; the final bar stop; the place where students met the locals and all drank cheap "blues." When it closed on April 24, 1997, news reports said The Avalanche closed because of problems with rowdy patrons and vandalism, but we know that MU wanted the space for university use. And even though many a professor (and countless former students) will admit to doing a naked beer slide or two in his or her days, The 'Lanche was just one of those old-school, beer drinking, dingy bars that didn't fit on the newly spiffed up campus. As the saying goes: "Get your degree at Marquette, but get your education at The 'Lanche."

Same article  
http://onmilwaukee.com/bars/articles/closedbars.html?viewall=1
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Freeport Warrior on April 25, 2012, 03:02:28 PM
When it closed on April 24, 1997, news reports said The Avalanche closed because of problems with rowdy patrons and vandalism, but we know that MU wanted the space for university use.
The 'Lanche sat vacant for many years and its demolition was either amazingly calculated, or dumb luck. I remember heading to the bookstore for gear a few days after we beat Kentucky to get to the Final Four in 2003. The campus was buzzing. Demolition on the 'Lanche looked like it was just beginning. It was gone within days and no one even noticed. Bastards.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Norm on April 25, 2012, 03:05:40 PM
Seems by the evidence that the naked slides were more prevalent during late 80's & 90's. Anyone here use to go the Stone Toad & The Palms? Saw lots of good bands at those clubs ;D


Used to watch the BoDeans try out new songs at the Stone Toad (at least I think that was the place they would perform at under a different name). Heard almost all of the Black and White album before it was released.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on April 25, 2012, 03:07:00 PM
We had many a good time at the Palms before it became Hoops and it seemed like mostly sailors up from Great Lakes Naval Academy there drinking too much and barfing on the floor.

the 2 best shows at the Palms I remember seeing was Randy Hansen (Hendrix impersonator) and a band called the Tourists featuring Annie Lennox & David Stewart back when the Palms would let you in free with a concert ticket stub from somewhere else.
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Post by: Newsdreams on April 25, 2012, 03:11:29 PM
Used to watch the BoDeans try out new songs at the Stone Toad (at least I think that was the place they would perform at under a different name). Heard almost all of the Black and White album before it was released.

Stone Toad was on 618 N Broadway.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: StillAWarrior on April 25, 2012, 04:03:54 PM
Used to watch the BoDeans try out new songs at the Stone Toad (at least I think that was the place they would perform at under a different name). Heard almost all of the Black and White album before it was released.

I saw them play there too.  They didn't use a different name, though.  It was a great show and fun watching a band that was really pretty big at the time (had opened for U2) playing at such a small venue.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: BrewCity83 on April 25, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
Ha, I saw the BoDeans play at the Toad, too.  I remember them just tearing into some Led Zep song.  They were there pretty often, along with other local bands like the X-Cleavers and E*I*E*I*O.
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Post by: wildbill sb on April 25, 2012, 04:20:22 PM
The 'Lanche sat vacant for many years and its demolition was either amazingly calculated, or dumb luck. I remember heading to the bookstore for gear a few days after we beat Kentucky to get to the Final Four in 2003. The campus was buzzing. Demolition on the 'Lanche looked like it was just beginning. It was gone within days and no one even noticed. Bastards.

You can thank one of the Haggerty (yes, that MU family) daughters for bankrolling the demo of many near by campus watering holes in the 90's.  It seems she had a  granddaughter starting at MU, and grandma put a bug in the president's ear that there were way too many bars too close to campus.  Grannie put her money where her mouth was and the rest, as they say,.....  Irony of ironies, of course, is that grannie herself had not attended MU, and her granddaughter lasted only a year before transfering  to MIAD as an art major!  Whatever.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 25, 2012, 05:38:51 PM
You can thank one of the Haggerty (yes, that MU family) daughters for bankrolling the demo of many near by campus watering holes in the 90's.

The Patriarch being He of Lava Lamp Fame? It sickens me to think that all those lava lamps funded the demise of an era.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2012, 05:49:31 PM
The Patriarch being He of Lava Lamp Fame? It sickens me to think that all those lava lamps funded the demise of an era.

Our BOT authorized the demolition of buildings that should have been given landmark status? For twenty pieces of silver? Impossible! Hoop assures me that they are all brilliant and wonderful people. After all, they voted 30-0 in favor of the GOLD.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 25, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
For twenty pieces of silver?

Filthy lucre!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 25, 2012, 06:19:02 PM
Gawddam but I haven't thought of the Palms or the Stone Toad in decades. Saw a lot of great bands at both over those years. I think it was $5 to go see The Pretenders, Talking Heads, Butt Hole Surfers, Elvis Costello, REM, The Outlaws. You had to get there early to get a proper seat but that meant having to sit through bands like the Oil Tasters, Pearl Harbor and the Explosions and such.

Terrible acoustics, the acrid tang of cannabis hanging heavy in the smoky air, but we were young.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: avid1010 on April 25, 2012, 06:40:22 PM
can someone explain why the university would wait till the end of the school year?  is it the type of thing where buzz is saying pass your classes or you're out the door?  if it was a behavior or basketball ability issue i would certainly think mu would have released the players long ago so they could find a proper home before all the current transfers get first choice.  i'm thinking i'm not understanding something here related to policy.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 25, 2012, 08:12:57 PM
Gawddam but I haven't thought of the Palms or the Stone Toad in decades. Saw a lot of great bands at both over those years. I think it was $5 to go see The Pretenders, Talking Heads, Butt Hole Surfers, Elvis Costello, REM, The Outlaws. You had to get there early to get a proper seat but that meant having to sit through bands like the Oil Tasters, Pearl Harbor and the Explosions and such.

Terrible acoustics, the acrid tang of cannabis hanging heavy in the smoky air, but we were young.

Ok, then lets keep on going anyone remember the Grog Shoppe?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 25, 2012, 08:30:37 PM
Ok, then lets keep on going anyone remember the Grog Shoppe?

Someplace Else?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lennys Tap on April 25, 2012, 08:44:19 PM
Filling Station, Swinging Door, Cricket Bar?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Sir Lawrence on April 25, 2012, 08:45:40 PM
Someplace Else?
Interns East?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 25, 2012, 08:52:46 PM
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Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 25, 2012, 08:59:07 PM
Someplace Else?

Park Avenue, The Safe House (still there).
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Sir Lawrence on April 25, 2012, 09:07:48 PM



Wendy O. 
Plasmatics.

RIP.  peace she never had on terra firma. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: wildbill sb on April 25, 2012, 09:09:54 PM
The Patriarch being He of Lava Lamp Fame? It sickens me to think that all those lava lamps funded the demise of an era.

Not sure about Lava Lamps, but Texas Instruments, yes.  MU Engineering Bldg and Art Museum.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Sir Lawrence on April 25, 2012, 09:19:42 PM
Not sure about Lava Lamps, but Texas Instruments, yes.  MU Engineering Bldg and Art Museum.
Haggerty is Lava Lamp

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-01-07/news/9901070433_1_haggerty-enterprises-lake-forest-two-other-daughters

AND, Haggerty is Texas Instruments:

http://www.ti.com/corp/docs/company/history/haggerty.shtml

One of the lava lamp daughters is class of '79 and has sweet season ticket seats.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 25, 2012, 09:23:46 PM
Wendy O.  
Plasmatics.

RIP.  peace she never had on terra firma.  

Never really got it all at the time, but Milwaukee was a very happening music town in the 80's.  Looking back, downtown was absolutely dead, and today's Milwaukee has so much more to offer...but these acts loved to start tours in Brew Town.  Pink Floyd was notorious.  I remember being in the Stone Toad and Ronny Wood and Keith Richards came in and started jamming.  Same with the Allman Brothers.  The night Wendy O was arrested at the Palms, we held a pre and post party at our house but none of my roomies went to the concert.  But, our Biz Ad friends who punked out made us hold a safe zone party and sure enough they all came running in after the raid to avoid the cops.  These are CEO's and DA's today. which cracks me up, but I remember the safety pins through the nose.  Walk into a small place and U2 or Cheap Trick is playing...or Chubby Checker.

For some reason, Southern Rock was the big draw.  CDB at the Riverside or the Outlaws with Molly Hatchett at the Varsity...never got the mixture as Milwaukee was a dead city.  Went to SummerFest when bands played two gigs per day at the main stage==saw the Allman's play a 45 minute drum solo and then call it a day as they were too messed up.  Corky Siegel anyone?


http://www.classicwisconsin.com/features/endless.html
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jsglow on April 25, 2012, 09:36:12 PM
Milwaukee had an outstanding music scene back in the day.  We were fortunate enough to book numerous regional acts for the weekly Brooks Union Grill Concerts on Friday afternoon at very reasonable prices simply because they could play another gig in town that night.  Some names have been mentioned to include the Femmes, Arroyo, X-Cleavers, Bad Boy plus several of the great Chicago blues artists like Koko Taylor and Magic Slim, all free for the student body every week at 3 pm.  I clearly remember Dr. Peters walking downstairs, knowing we were hundreds over the fire marshal limit, and immediately turning around to head back to his office. (Thanks Toby.)
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on April 25, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
Milwaukee had an outstanding music scene back in the day.  We were fortunate enough to book numerous regional acts for the weekly Brooks Union Grill Concerts on Friday afternoon at very reasonable prices simply because they could play another gig in town that night.  Some names have been mentioned to include the Femmes, Arroyo, X-Cleavers, Bad Boy plus several of the great Chicago blues artists like Koko Taylor and Magic Slim, all free for the student body every week at 3 pm.  I clearly remember Dr. Peters walking downstairs, knowing we were hundreds over the fire marshal limit, and immediately turning around to head back to his office. (Thanks Toby.)

Outdoor Grill concerts with the Femmes, Husker Du, The Replacements etc.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: real chili 83 on April 25, 2012, 09:52:23 PM
Anyone from the class of 83 remember the South Side Johnny concert at the Varsity?  It ain't the meat, it's the motion.

How about Alex Bevan....I'm just a skinny little boy from Cleveland Ohio.

Or Yipes....out in California, the kids are really cool...

Saw Bruce in 1982.   Third row seats, right in front of Clarence and Steve Van Zandt. Three hours, 4 encores.   Back in the day.

Anyone (of course we do) remember the anti disco protest in front of the Varsity?  Post Steve Dahl.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jsglow on April 25, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Anyone from the class of 83 remember the South Side Johnny concert at the Varsity?  It ain't the meat, it's the motion.

79-80 performance?  Packed house; great show.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: real chili 83 on April 25, 2012, 10:02:54 PM
79-80 performance?  Packed house; great show.

Yep.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 25, 2012, 10:04:07 PM
The Stray Cats on a Weds for $7.50 at a place across from Ricky's...

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Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on April 25, 2012, 10:06:07 PM
The Stray Cats on a Weds for $7.50 at a place across from Ricky's...

(http://milwaukeerockposters.com/images/posters/new/scan0018.jpg)

The Palms always had good bands the 4 years I was there.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 25, 2012, 10:14:22 PM
Anyone from the class of 83 remember the South Side Johnny concert at the Varsity?  It ain't the meat, it's the motion.

How about Alex Bevan....I'm just a skinny little boy from Cleveland Ohio.

Or Yipes....out in California, the kids are really cool...

Saw Bruce in 1982.   Third row seats, right in front of Clarence and Steve Van Zandt. Three hours, 4 encores.   Back in the day.

Anyone (of course we do) remember the anti disco protest in front of the Varsity?  Post Steve Dahl.
Went to the South Side Johnny concert and will have to plead guilty again. I let at least 5-6 empty Old Style bottles roll down the Varsity floor  ::). Did the Romantics play in that same concert at the Varsity? I too saw the Boss on '82 they kept on switching lights on an off to get him off the stage ;D. There was a riot at a Black Sabbath concert '79 or '80 fortunately didn't have enough $ to go.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 25, 2012, 10:16:55 PM
The only thing I can think of as to why Milwaukee was such a hot music town in the 980's was the beer sponsorship money.  For Summerfest then too. Just odd what the Cream City and MU could pull in then for no good reason. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on April 25, 2012, 11:40:16 PM
after reading the last few pages of this dialogue - I don't think anybody knows jack SHlT about what REALLY went down...  (and no I don't have any sources either)...   

done reading these threads, it's embarrassing the debate continues on SMU/Buzz...
+999999999999999
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 26, 2012, 01:21:49 AM
So, anyone been fishing?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 26, 2012, 03:25:55 AM
We were fortunate enough to book numerous regional acts for the weekly Brooks Union Grill Concerts on Friday afternoon at very reasonable prices simply because they could play another gig in town that night.

Entirely the repsonsibility of one Shady Jim Productions. I was in ASMU under the harsh auspices of one Dave Sinker but it was Jim Schade who ran the Friday Mugrack Concert Series. Sinker had no idea as to why The Outlaws would sell out the Varsity or who is Koko Taylor and why do MU students want to hear a 60 year old woman?? But Shady Jim knew.

Sinker went on to be a writer for the Gong Show and the Jenny Jones show. I hope Jim Schade found even more succesws in the tawdry world of rock n' roll
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on April 26, 2012, 06:15:26 AM
Just got the boat.   Excited to try out a lake a friend told me about near the old man's cabin in northern Wisconsin in May for perch.   Lake Metonga
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on April 26, 2012, 06:22:03 AM
So, anyone been fishing?

Hit the Mississippi at Red Wing two weeks ago.  A few walleyes and Silver bass.  No big ones.  Missed the big spring bite by about a week.  Got warm much earlier this year.  Got a first class sun burn too.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warriorchick on April 26, 2012, 07:53:33 AM
Went to the South Side Johnny concert and will have to plead guilty again. I let at least 5-6 empty Old Style bottles roll down the Varsity floor  ::). Did the Romantics play in that same concert at the Varsity? I too saw the Boss on '82 they kept on switching lights on an off to get him off the stage ;D. There was a riot at a Black Sabbath concert '79 or '80 fortunately didn't have enough $ to go.

Romantics concert was in '83. jsglow was Major Concerts Commisssioner that year.

He also booked Jeff Lorber jazz fusion.  About fifteen years ago, I was flipping through jsglow's album collection (!) and pulled one out.

"Where did this come from?"

He glanced at it and said, "Oh, that.  Some sax player from Jeff Lorber gave it to me.  He said he had just relieased his first solo album and I took it just to be polite.  Wonder whatever happened to that guy?"

It was Kenny G.  Except that instead of the long ringlets he is know for now, he had a huge jewfro. 
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: BrewCity83 on April 26, 2012, 07:58:33 AM
Or Yipes....out in California, the kids are really cool...


Yipes was led by Pat McCurdy, who still plays all the time around town.

I was at the Romantics show in '82 at the Varsity, five bucks.  I remember they previewed songs from their "In Heat" album before it came out.  Great show.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: tower912 on April 26, 2012, 08:00:28 AM
BoDeans in the basement of the Union before they signed.   BonTon Society...same place.     The Friday afternoon outdoor shows were always a good time.   
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warriorchick on April 26, 2012, 08:05:35 AM
BoDeans in the basement of the Union before they signed.   BonTon Society...same place.     The Friday afternoon outdoor shows were always a good time.   

And the Violent Femmes.  I was on the East Coast with some friends in 1984 watching MTV when the video for "Children of the Revolution" came on. They had filmed it at the Serb Hall fish fry.   I was cracking up.  My non-Milwaukee friends couldn't figure out what was going on in the video. "What's with all the old people eating fish?"   
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on April 26, 2012, 08:28:03 AM
I remember the Britians (?) at the Mugrack as a great show back in the early 80's.  The Femmes, Replacements, REM all used to play Summerfest at the Rock Stage before they got big.  I still have a tape from a 1983 REM show at Summerfest that was taped from the 7th row with a boom mic.  Not the greatest quality, but a great show. 

What was the name of the place on State that used to have bands?  I think it was on State at least.  Todd Rundgren played in 84 if I remember right.  Very small venue, we had first row in front of the band.  Great show.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 26, 2012, 08:29:41 AM
I saw the BoDeans for free at the Lakeshore Park behind the Art Museum what I think was a Labor Day weekend festival.  Between Jr & Sr weekend I also flew to Summerfest for a weekend trip just to see the BoDeans.  I still listen to them.  Their CDs from the 2000s have been good.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 26, 2012, 08:31:10 AM

What was the name of the place on State that used to have bands?  I think it was on State at least.  Todd Rundgren played in 84 if I remember right.  Very small venue, we had first row in front of the band.  Great show.

That was the Palms...right by Ricky's...U2, The Police there too
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: tower912 on April 26, 2012, 08:34:58 AM
I saw the BoDeans for free at the Lakeshore Park behind the Art Museum what I think was a Labor Day weekend festival.  Between Jr & Sr weekend I also flew to Summerfest for a weekend trip just to see the BoDeans.  I still listen to them.  Their CDs from the 2000s have been good.

I have all of their CD's and went to see them as recently as last fall, right after Sammy left.    Definitely not the same.   
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: BrewCity83 on April 26, 2012, 08:37:11 AM
I saw the BoDeans for free at the Lakeshore Park behind the Art Museum what I think was a Labor Day weekend festival.  

That was Maritime Days in Veterans Park.  They stopped that fest about 8-10 years ago, I think.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: StillAWarrior on April 26, 2012, 08:37:25 AM
I saw the BoDeans for free at the Lakeshore Park behind the Art Museum what I think was a Labor Day weekend festival... I still listen to them.  Their CDs from the 2000s have been good.

1990?  If so (and I think that's probably the right date), I was there too.  Great concert.  For some reason I have particularly vivid memories of when they played Beautiful Rain that night.  

I don't have any of their newer stuff.  Joe Dirt Car is still one of my most frequently played cds.

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: BrewCity83 on April 26, 2012, 08:41:50 AM
Summerfest at the Rock Stage before they got big.  I still have a tape from a 1983 REM show at Summerfest that was taped from the 7th row with a boom mic.  Not the greatest quality, but a great show.  

I was at that REM show in about the 5th row.  I was on crutches with a sprained ankle from playing softball, but still managed to pogo on one foot all night on the wooden benches.  That was one of the top live shows I have ever seen (out of many hundreds).  After the encore, the lights went up and a recording of Todd Rungren's "Bang the Drum All Day" came on, but the crowd didn't want to leave and just continued to dance wildly on the benches.  The band wandered back out on stage with beers in hand, just taking it all in in amazement.  I will never forget that moment.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on April 26, 2012, 10:02:51 AM
I also was at that REM show at Summerfest, actually it was my sole REM show, it had to be a year or so before the time that a buddy's cousin dragged us to the Rock stage to see some band called Bon Jovi touring for 7800 Fahrenheit

no mentions yet of the club at 35th & Fond du Lac, Fantasies (Beneath the Street before that), I remember seeing bands like Cheap Trick, Styx and Head East in that dump, low ceiling filled with the blue haze from cigarettes
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on April 26, 2012, 10:32:31 AM
Found this excellent link...

http://milwaukeerockposters.com/index.html
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 26, 2012, 11:32:05 AM
Now that we're in the off-season April trip down memory lane mode, is this upcoming weekend the Mr. Jiggles Fest spring weekend?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: thebigjake on April 26, 2012, 11:46:21 AM
Geez.

Please don't mention Jiggles or Lakefront bash. You're just getting me sad. Oh what MU used to be....
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warriorchick on April 26, 2012, 12:04:43 PM
Found this excellent link...

http://milwaukeerockposters.com/index.html

What?  No Gerard? But they were on Star Search and everything!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 26, 2012, 05:10:44 PM
sailors up from Great Lakes Naval Academy

It's a recruit Training Facility. In the USAF it is called BMT (Basic Military Training)
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 26, 2012, 05:43:01 PM
And the Violent Femmes.  I was on the East Coast with some friends in 1984 watching MTV when the video for "Children of the Revolution" came on. They had filmed it at the Serb Hall fish fry.   I was cracking up.  My non-Milwaukee friends couldn't figure out what was going on in the video. "What's with all the old people eating fish?"   

Saw the Femmes believe twice at the Union, also Mike Rutherford's (Genesis) band The Mechanics. To this date my friends back home do not believe that I got to see the Femmes at my U. student union.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on April 26, 2012, 05:58:48 PM
And the Violent Femmes.  I was on the East Coast with some friends in 1984 watching MTV when the video for "Children of the Revolution" came on. They had filmed it at the Serb Hall fish fry.   I was cracking up.  My non-Milwaukee friends couldn't figure out what was going on in the video. "What's with all the old people eating fish?"   

Great cover song of the original T. Rex original.  It has been covered numerous times.  It was on the Femmes 1986 album "Children of the Revolution" and I don't blame you because remembering what years things happened gets to be humorous as time goes on.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 26, 2012, 06:03:09 PM
Saw the Femmes believe twice at the Union, also Mike Rutherford's (Genesis) band The Mechanics. To this date my friends back home do not believe that I got to see the Femmes at my U. student union.

There was a local band called Sweetbottom that played the Mugrack on Friday afternoons. Their founders were Martin J. Appel and Daryl Stuermer. Stuermer went on to play bass for Genesis and Phil Collins. Sttuermer's brother Dwayne lived on my floor in Schroeder and was always 1) Stoned 2) Listening to Yes 3) Listening to Traffic. Great guy who could always get free tickets to shows.

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 26, 2012, 06:14:35 PM
Album Cover for Milwaukee Band. Not sure if they are musicians or Porn Stars
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jsglow on April 26, 2012, 07:31:09 PM
This has been fun for me to read.  Thank you for remembering.

Agree with the notion that Jim Schade had a great deal to do with the early Grill Concerts.  He turned the baton over to Marty King who, in turn handed it to me.  Absolutely true story . . . I was in final contract negotiations with representatives of Survivor when 'Eye of the Tiger' hit #1.  We almost had them for the 'Party of the Century'.  In the end, the $$ was just too big for the university to swallow.  Notwithstanding that disappointment, we booked multiple outstanding acts on three separate stages that historic day.

And while I believe that we were often on the musical cutting edge, I must say that the first time I booked the Femmes I thought they were the weirdest guys I had ever met and would never really amount to anything.  Opps.

Also kudos to Bob Babisch down at Summerfest.  He helped us out immeasurably during my 2 years stint.  We got essentially unlimited access to artists via his contacts.  It wasn't an internship or anything like that.  He just wanted to help the kids at MU.  I spent Summerfest each year getting important introductions backstage.  Pretty cool for a 21 y/o kid.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: BrewCity83 on April 26, 2012, 07:44:44 PM
I went to grade school with Brian Ritchie of the Femmes.  He was a brilliant kid, always very political, even in grade school.  He loved listening to pirate radio, WZMF, and the band Yes.  I don't think he ever learned an instrument until high school.  Always an odd dude, very interesting character.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: pbiflyer on April 26, 2012, 08:42:17 PM
This has been fun for me to read.  Thank you for remembering.

Agree with the notion that Jim Schade had a great deal to do with the early Grill Concerts.  He turned the baton over to Marty King who, in turn handed it to me.  Absolutely true story . . . I was in final contract negotiations with representatives of Survivor when 'Eye of the Tiger' hit #1.  We almost had them for the 'Party of the Century'.  In the end, the $$ was just too big for the university to swallow.  Notwithstanding that disappointment, we booked multiple outstanding acts on three separate stages that historic day.

And while I believe that we were often on the musical cutting edge, I must say that the first time I booked the Femmes I thought they were the weirdest guys I had every met and would never really amount to anything.  Opps.
Who was the guy who hired them for the Saturday night shows back in 82-83? That guy had a brilliant touch with bands. Must have had a good teacher.  ;D
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jsglow on April 26, 2012, 09:04:42 PM
Who was the guy who hired them for the Saturday night shows back in 82-83? That guy had a brilliant touch with bands. Must have had a good teacher.  ;D


Been a long time old friend!   8-)
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on April 26, 2012, 09:09:40 PM
I remember the Britians (?) at the Mugrack as a great show back in the early 80's.  The Femmes, Replacements, REM all used to play Summerfest at the Rock Stage before they got big.  I still have a tape from a 1983 REM show at Summerfest that was taped from the 7th row with a boom mic.  Not the greatest quality, but a great show. 

What was the name of the place on State that used to have bands?  I think it was on State at least.  Todd Rundgren played in 84 if I remember right.  Very small venue, we had first row in front of the band.  Great show.

Britins (as I recall). Must have been a return engagement since I saw them in 1980 at the Mugrack and it was OUTSTANDING!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Norm on April 26, 2012, 09:12:27 PM
I can remember watching the Goo Goo Dolls (when they were still pretty much a punk band), Sonic Youth, Blake Babies, Soul Asylum, Trip Shakespeare, and Wild Kingdom, a local Milwaukee band who drove their car on to the lawn in front of LaLamure and got out and started playing - their best song was "Monkey in a man Suit."

Also saw Tracy Chapman and 10,000 Maniacs at the Varsity Theatre for $3. Nine Inch Nails played there too.

Not a bad music scene at Marquette in the late 80's, early 90's.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jsglow on April 26, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
I'd love to bring concerts back to MU for today's generation.  Absent that, I believe strongly that MU and the Rave could build a fantastic partnership where students could get incredible live concert production experience. 

We spend considerable time discussing Fr. Pilarz here.  But let's remember that had he attended MU back in the day it woulda been his giant JVC speakers blaring Bruce out across campus from McCormick's windows.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 26, 2012, 10:10:24 PM
Those of you posting that were at MU during '79-'83 seems like I might know some of you. Jsglow positive must have met you at MU.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: jsglow on April 26, 2012, 10:24:59 PM
Those of you posting that were at MU during '79-'83 seems like I might know some of you. Jsglow positive must have met you at MU.

I'll tell one more story.  (Warriorchick can't pay attention.)  I'd spent most of the Romantics concert at the soundboard but at some point went up to the balcony where the programming board had a aisle seat for me just so I could enjoy part of the show.  Well some unbelievable looking co-ed comes up to me and says "You're jsglow!  This is such an awesome show and I wanted to meet you".  Well I somehow didn't get the hint and ruined my one chance at 'rock star status' by saying something dumb like "Thanks. See ya!"

 newsdrms????  
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 26, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
I'll tell one more story.  (Warriorchick can't pay attention.)  I'd spent most of the Romantics concert at the soundboard but at some point went up to the balcony where the programming board had a aisle seat for me just so I could enjoy part of the show.  Well some unbelievable looking co-ed comes up to me and says "You're jsglow!  This is such an awesome show and I wanted to meet you".  Well I somehow didn't get the hint and ruined my one chance at 'rock star status' by saying something dumb like "Thanks. See ya!"

 newsdrms????  
Hahaha, no not a chick newsdrms is a silly abbreviation of a comic book store I used to own. But the true story is I knew most people involved in committee or whatever, do not remember, that had to do with the activities on campus. As a matter of fact there was one of the positions if I recall that was voted on by the students, and I helped on the campaign based on the bands that would be hired for the Union and Varsity gigs.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on April 27, 2012, 07:39:21 AM
Anyone remember that goofball Tim the Rock 'n Roll Animal?  1982 "stunt" living on a ledge downtown after The Who bypassed Milwaukee on a tour, and he actually wound up getting them to come to Milwaukee.

 http://onmilwaukee.com/buzz/articles/prstunts.html

1982: "On the ledge with Tim the Rock 'N Roll Animal"
This year marks the 25th anniversary of one of the greatest stunts in the history of Milwaukee radio.

WQFM, which was competing with rival station WLPX in a death struggle for the attention of rock fans with feathered hair and black t-shirts, had a night-time DJ named Tim "The Rock 'n' Roll Animal" Smith. (He got the nickname from college friends because he used to play Lou Reed's album of that name virtually every morning." The Rock and Roll Animal, who began his stint as the overnight DJ at WQFM before taking the coveted 6 p.m. -- 10 p.m. slot, was a bit quiet off the air but charismatic on it. He was known for his rhyming catchphrases like "Yankin' and Crankin on a Friday High Day," "Nothin' to it but to do it," etc.

It was during 1982 that The Who released what was to be its final studio album, "It's Hard," and announced a farewell tour of North America. (Yes, they're the same band that has only toured the US about 50 times since).

The Who had never played a date in Milwaukee and none was announced on the slate for the farewell tour. During his show on Sept. 16, 1982, Tim the Animal decided that he would climb out on the 21st floor ledge of the WQFM studio, which was located at 606 W. Wisconsin Ave., and would not come inside until the Who announced that it was playing in Milwaukee.

WQFM milked the bit for all it was worth. TV stations and national magazines covered the "camp out," restaurants got publicity by sending food and listeners were encouraged to "Honk for The Who" while driving down Wisconsin Ave.

On Oct. 1, Tim the Animal took a call on the air from Roger Daltrey, the Who's lead singer, saying that the band would visit the Milwaukee Arena on Dec. 7. A lottery was held for tickets and roughly 12,000 lucky fans got to see one of the more incredible shows in Milwaukee rock history and the culmination of one of the great radio promotions of all-time.

Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 27, 2012, 07:49:39 AM
There's a local commercial in frequent rotation that uses the BoDean's "Closer to Free" in the background.  Yale New Haven Hospital recently opend a separate hospital specifically for cancer treatment.  The title sound sounds like a good match.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: CTWarrior on April 27, 2012, 08:48:54 AM
Anyone from the class of 83 remember the South Side Johnny concert at the Varsity?  It ain't the meat, it's the motion.

How about Alex Bevan....I'm just a skinny little boy from Cleveland Ohio.

Or Yipes....out in California, the kids are really cool...

Saw Bruce in 1982.   Third row seats, right in front of Clarence and Steve Van Zandt. Three hours, 4 encores.   Back in the day.

Anyone (of course we do) remember the anti disco protest in front of the Varsity?  Post Steve Dahl.

Wow, so many of you from my exact years at MU 79-83.  I had completely forgotten about Yipes!  Also remember liking Snopek (I think they were called) at the Grill concerts.  "We'll be the first band to play on the moon".  Also remember a relatively big stink when Sister Sledge played to a half-empty Varsity. 

Saw Bruce at the MECCA in fall of 80 on The River tour as a first date with my now-wife of 27 years after another girl turned me down because she had better seats!  That concert was so long I think I got my hangover about 3/4 of the way through.  I also remember having terrible seats for Tom Petty opened by Nick Lowe and Music to Go with Paul Carrack and just moving to the side of the stage and being almost on top of them for the whole show.  Those were great days.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warriorchick on April 27, 2012, 09:07:28 AM
There's a local commercial in frequent rotation that uses the BoDean's "Closer to Free" in the background.  Yale New Haven Hospital recently opend a separate hospital specifically for cancer treatment.  The title sound sounds like a good match.

The Wisconsin Department of Tourism has an excellent commercial using that song, including a beautiful montage of all the fun things there are to do in the state (fishing, cross-country skiing, attending Summerfest, eating cream puffs at the State Fair, etc).  I can't seem to find it online.   They really should show it more, especially in Illinois.  Everytime I see it I want to take a road trip.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Newsdreams on April 27, 2012, 09:10:45 AM
Anyone remember that goofball Tim the Rock 'n Roll Animal?  1982 "stunt" living on a ledge downtown after The Who bypassed Milwaukee on a tour, and he actually wound up getting them to come to Milwaukee.

 http://onmilwaukee.com/buzz/articles/prstunts.html

1982: "On the ledge with Tim the Rock 'N Roll Animal"
This year marks the 25th anniversary of one of the greatest stunts in the history of Milwaukee radio.

WQFM, which was competing with rival station WLPX in a death struggle for the attention of rock fans with feathered hair and black t-shirts, had a night-time DJ named Tim "The Rock 'n' Roll Animal" Smith. (He got the nickname from college friends because he used to play Lou Reed's album of that name virtually every morning." The Rock and Roll Animal, who began his stint as the overnight DJ at WQFM before taking the coveted 6 p.m. -- 10 p.m. slot, was a bit quiet off the air but charismatic on it. He was known for his rhyming catchphrases like "Yankin' and Crankin on a Friday High Day," "Nothin' to it but to do it," etc.

It was during 1982 that The Who released what was to be its final studio album, "It's Hard," and announced a farewell tour of North America. (Yes, they're the same band that has only toured the US about 50 times since).

The Who had never played a date in Milwaukee and none was announced on the slate for the farewell tour. During his show on Sept. 16, 1982, Tim the Animal decided that he would climb out on the 21st floor ledge of the WQFM studio, which was located at 606 W. Wisconsin Ave., and would not come inside until the Who announced that it was playing in Milwaukee.

WQFM milked the bit for all it was worth. TV stations and national magazines covered the "camp out," restaurants got publicity by sending food and listeners were encouraged to "Honk for The Who" while driving down Wisconsin Ave.

On Oct. 1, Tim the Animal took a call on the air from Roger Daltrey, the Who's lead singer, saying that the band would visit the Milwaukee Arena on Dec. 7. A lottery was held for tickets and roughly 12,000 lucky fans got to see one of the more incredible shows in Milwaukee rock history and the culmination of one of the great radio promotions of all-time.



Got lucky enough to go to that great show!!
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: real chili 83 on April 27, 2012, 09:19:47 AM
Same here.  I was lucky enough to see them again in the 90's.

Did Entwistle play in Milwaukee, or he pass on before that concert?

Anyone remember the series Daltrey did on the history channel on American history?  I thought it was kinda good. Didn't last too long though.   Got a kick from the episode where he was eating cooked beaver tail for a story on Lewis and Clark.

Lots of class of '83 here.

One other memory...in Fort Lauderdale for spring break in '83.  ND was on break same time.  We were standing in line to get into the Button.  There were Domers in line too.  That year, ND was NIT bound.  We all started chanting "ND, NIT...ND, NIT"!  They were none too happy.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on April 27, 2012, 09:20:04 AM
Does anyone remember seeing Spooner (later Firetown) at the Mugrack in 84?  Fun Band to watch and listen to.

By the way.......Mugrack mug no. 263 from back in the day.  Anyone else still have theirs?
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Norm on April 27, 2012, 09:50:31 AM
Does anyone remember seeing Spooner (later Firetown) at the Mugrack in 84?  Fun Band to watch and listen to.

By the way.......Mugrack mug no. 263 from back in the day.  Anyone else still have theirs?
Yep, got my mug. I worked at the Mugrack the last year it was open at the Brooks Memorial Union before Alumni Union opened up. The new place at Alumni did not match up, although I was able to wolf down lots of free food at both places.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on April 27, 2012, 09:57:28 AM
Yep, got my mug. I worked at the Mugrack the last year it was open at the Brooks Memorial Union before Alumni Union opened up. The new place at Alumni did not match up, although I was able to wolf down lots of free food at both places.
the Mugrack made a tasty sandwich too.  Sort of a Which Wich before Which Wich was around.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on April 27, 2012, 10:57:18 AM
nm
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 28, 2012, 11:47:53 AM
That Who concert was great.  I was fortunate enough to have excellent seats.  I honestly cannot remember the name of the young lady who attended with me.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: jsglow on April 28, 2012, 11:55:09 AM
Somehow I left my mug behind.  I had a good number.  Now if anyone can name the person who had original mug #1, I'll give you your props.  I have suggested to Dr. Peters that he 'recreate' the Mugrack mug and sell them as a fundraiser.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: warthog-driver on April 30, 2012, 05:30:37 PM
This has been fun for me to read.  Thank you for remembering.

Agree with the notion that Jim Schade had a great deal to do with the early Grill Concerts.  He turned the baton over to Marty King who, in turn handed it to me.  

Whatever happened to Shady Jim? He was a great guy. I know he was going to try like hell to get into the music biz.

I remember Marty King. Bit of a Doofus but a good guy. I knew he got the torch from Shady Jim.
Title: Re: King reports Buzz had all but agreed on SMU job
Post by: BrewCity83 on May 03, 2012, 12:20:46 PM
BoDeans in the basement of the Union before they signed.   BonTon Society...same place.     The Friday afternoon outdoor shows were always a good time.   

Looks like BonTon Society is back together to open up for the B-52's at Summerfest this year on July 8th.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mu03eng on July 20, 2012, 11:40:43 AM
Hitler
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Bocephys on July 20, 2012, 01:20:42 PM
Hitler

Nice Hoopin'!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 🏀 on July 20, 2012, 03:38:02 PM
Hitler

Well done.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Blackhat on July 20, 2012, 03:51:12 PM
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Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on July 20, 2012, 09:48:53 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m71lndrtlN1qdlh1io1_400.gif)

The equalizer in action.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on July 20, 2012, 11:16:01 PM
She is dancing to....

had a 69 chevy with a 396, fuelie and a hurst on the floor

tonights the night.....
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on July 22, 2012, 11:39:41 PM
She is dancing to....

had a 69 chevy with a 396, fuelie and a hurst on the floor

tonights the night.....
Seeing Springsteen?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: JD on July 23, 2012, 04:22:06 PM
She is dancing to....

had a 69 chevy with a 396, fuelie and a hurst on the floor

tonights the night.....

"I thought you said you had a hemi?!"

"Yeah, i'm having a footprint gas pedal installed, so i stole this pile."

"Oh, my outlaw"
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ATWizJr on July 23, 2012, 05:18:24 PM
The Shag!  Can't remember where they played but think it was on the east side. Anyone old enough to remember?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 14, 2012, 03:05:57 PM
It would be one thing if Sheriff Clarke said this in an off the cuff type of remark captured by a reporter but in a prepared statement released by a spokeswoman for his office? Too funny!

Quote
Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. fired back at a critic with colorful language Tuesday after being accused of providing more security for vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan's visit Sunday than was provided for President Barack Obama's visit in February.

One of the critics was Milwaukee County Supervisor John Weishan Jr., who said in a statement Monday that the sheriff needed to treat "all parties equally."

Clarke responded with a statement Monday and had harsher language for Weishan on Tuesday.

"Apparently this partisan hack has pulled his head out of his ass once again to say something stupid," Clarke said in a statement released Tuesday by his spokeswoman. "The next time little boy Weishan says something intelligent or accurate will be the first. This is the same idiot who recently diminished the danger of law enforcement work several weeks before one of my officers lost his life in the line of duty. He would do Milwaukee County good by crawling back into his hole.”

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on February 23, 2014, 10:47:15 AM
After seeing (not reading) the thread trashing Buzz as a coach, I thought I would bump this thread for a little perspective.

Sigh
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 23, 2014, 10:48:12 AM
I thought SMU18 had something new to report.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 23, 2014, 10:50:34 AM
After seeing (not reading) the thread trashing Buzz as a coach, I thought I would bump this thread for a little perspective.

Sigh

I always knew you were Hoopaloop.  Stop denying it and claiming others are!   :-*
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on February 23, 2014, 10:51:52 AM
I always knew you were Hoopaloop.  Stop denying it and claiming others are!   :-*

Ok, you busted me.   :D

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: g0lden3agle on February 23, 2014, 11:55:43 AM
After clicking back on this thread I just learned that warthog driver isn't keefe. For some reason I thought they were one in the same, no idea how I came to this conclusion.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: NavinRJohnson on February 23, 2014, 12:19:56 PM
Derrick Wilson is the worst PG that has ever touched a basketball. Dawson should be playing 30 minutes a game.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: GGGG on February 23, 2014, 12:49:46 PM
After clicking back on this thread I just learned that warthog driver isn't keefe. For some reason I thought they were one in the same, no idea how I came to this conclusion.


Uh...yeah I am pretty sure they are.  Perhaps a new account?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Benny B on February 23, 2014, 01:47:33 PM

Uh...yeah I am pretty sure they are.  Perhaps a new account?

There aren't that many haiku-fluent, OA-10 pilots out there these days as it is... the chance that there'd be two amongst MU alumni is a pretty tall order, statistically speaking.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on February 23, 2014, 04:50:17 PM
The universe is to small of a place for more than one Wartkeefehog!  :o
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on February 23, 2014, 09:11:07 PM
Anybody been out fishing lately?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: real chili 83 on February 23, 2014, 09:16:46 PM
Anybody been out fishing lately?

3 weeks til I do some saltwater.

Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Skatastrophy on April 01, 2014, 07:24:02 PM
It's funny that, only at this point, do we realize that the Buzz to SMU rumors were true until the sexual assault allegations killed it.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on April 02, 2014, 12:39:22 AM
Happy April...and it's cold and rainy in NorCal.

We need the water but damn, it's cold!
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 02, 2014, 07:42:32 AM
Wow!  126 pages and counting........
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Sunbelt15 on April 02, 2014, 06:32:59 PM
Wow!  126 pages and counting........

And it started in March 2012. Amazing.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 03, 2014, 12:16:07 AM
Happy April...and it's cold and rainy in NorCal.

We need the water but damn, it's cold!


What's the matter, down to 60? Better start burning the furniture.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 03, 2014, 12:19:27 AM
940 some more views and this thread will finally be over the 150,000 view mark.

edit: Which would still be #3 under the #2 Beer thread, and #1 baseball pissing match
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 12:24:46 AM
Happy April...and it's cold and rainy in NorCal.

We need the water but damn, it's cold!

If I eat at a buffet and it's 60 degrees, I start sweating.  If you came out to Wisconsin right now, your rocks would probably be touching your sphincter. 
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 03, 2014, 12:26:35 AM
940 some more views and this thread will finally be over the 150,000 view mark.

edit: Which would still be #3 under the #2 Beer thread, and #1 baseball pissing match
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=stats


If we get a couple of our recently signed up posters ( who shall remain nameless) to start posting in this thread we should top 150k in a week.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 03, 2014, 12:27:12 AM
And now we have.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 12:36:37 AM
And now we have.

You Rang?

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/361/jack-ths-shining.jpg)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on April 03, 2014, 12:39:13 AM
LOL!

It was around the high 30s on Monday as a low...This Sunday's projected high? 83 friggin degrees.

almost a 50 degree turnaround in a couple of days is driving me nuts.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 12:44:02 AM
LOL!

It was around the high 30s on Monday as a low...This Sunday's projected high? 83 friggin degrees.

almost a 50 degree turnaround in a couple of days is driving me nuts.

I just took the Dog for a walk about 2 hours ago.  My guess is that it's in the mid or upper 30's.  83 degrees?  The only way I can experience that is if I stick my head in the oven for a bit.  I'm guessing 83 degrees won't happen until June here.... late June. 
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 03, 2014, 12:48:09 AM
LOL!

It was around the high 30s on Monday as a low...This Sunday's projected high? 83 friggin degrees.

almost a 50 degree turnaround in a couple of days is driving me nuts.


Yeah, I'd hate for it to hit 83 here Sunday.   :-\

Btw, N.Wisc. supposed to get hit with 6-12 inches of snow Thurs night / Friday.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on April 03, 2014, 12:48:28 AM
LOL!

It was around the high 30s on Monday as a low...This Sunday's projected high? 83 friggin degrees.

almost a 50 degree turnaround in a couple of days is driving me nuts.

Hah, that's like a daily high-low thing in CO
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 12:59:02 AM

Yeah, I'd hate for it to hit 83 here Sunday.   :-\

Btw, N.Wisc. supposed to get hit with 6-12 inches of snow Thurs night / Friday.

Isn't SE Wi supposed to get rain/ice tonight?  I heard it was, but nothing is happening outside. 
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: mr.MUskie on April 03, 2014, 01:02:33 AM
Isn't SE Wi supposed to get rain/ice tonight?  I heard it was, but nothing is happening outside.  


North of Madison / Mke.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 01:07:59 AM

North of Madison / Mke.

To be honest, we could use the rain here.  Much of southern Wisconsin I heard is experiencing mild to moderate drought conditions, despite the snow levels we received this year. 
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Eldon on April 03, 2014, 02:13:57 AM
I just realized that I have yet to comment on this thread. 

Hello world.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 03, 2014, 07:10:38 AM
So is Buzz accepting the SMU job or not?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 10:51:47 AM
So is Buzz accepting the SMU job or not?
My sources indicate that he was turned down for it. 
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: Benny B on April 03, 2014, 11:14:38 AM
My sources indicate that he was turned down for it. 

Wrong.  He withdrew his name from consideration.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 03, 2014, 11:32:05 AM
My sources indicate that he was turned down for it. 

Can we get Goose or Keefe to confirm?
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 03, 2014, 11:56:37 AM
Wrong.  He withdrew his name from consideration.

I believe he withdrew because of the sexual assaults on campus.  That was a red flag to both SMU and Oklahoma.  Had that incident not happened, we may have never had an elite 8. 

Withdrew = being turned down (see Cuonzo Martin)
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: 77ncaachamps on April 05, 2014, 01:35:23 PM
Hah, that's like a daily high-low thing in CO


Gotta ask my cuz in CO Springs if that's his experience.

The highs and lows are crazy. At least ramp up to summer.
Don't give us summer in January...crap on us with cold and wet weather in April...then say, "Just kidding. I'm gonna roast you."
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on April 05, 2014, 02:02:13 PM
I believe he withdrew because of the sexual assaults on campus.  That was a red flag to both SMU and Oklahoma.  Had that incident not happened, we may have never had an elite 8. 

Withdrew = being turned down (see Cuonzo Martin)

OK pulled back because of the sequel allegation.   SMU was already too shady for Brent's liking.
Title: Re: The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread
Post by: keefe on April 05, 2014, 03:16:27 PM
OK pulled back because of the sequel allegation.   SMU was already too shady for Brent's liking.

While Bert's moral construct would be aligned with the SMU booster ethos I am guessing Burt would struggle with the country club social snobbery of their alumni.