The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[mviale]

Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"?  To SMU?  You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke.  Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?

You have to listen.  Its about relationships. However, it upsets me.

[Aughnanure]

In the last 20 years, MU's sweet 16 appearances is 4. 

You seem to relish this point.

[Aughnanure]

Where did you hear that "he is listening"?

IWB

https://twitter.com/theIWB/status/183968775048142848

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

IWB

https://twitter.com/theIWB/status/183968775048142848

Hmmm..not gunna lie, I am still far from concerned. Buzz isn't going to SMU.

[Small Orange Soda]

Texas is one thing, but SMU?  This would make Marquette ball look pretty bad.  

[Hoopaloop]

You seem to relish this point.

Not really.  Pointing out that tradition is a wonderful argument.  Navy and Army have a great tradition in football.  They've won more national titles than most schools even today.  What does it mean when it happened so long ago?

MU has done some great things since 2002 and I have been very pleased with the comeback we have had.  However, all of that has to be put in perspective when talking about a laundry list of accomplishments going back a half century or more.  I remember Crean or Deane saying that all this history MU has means something to the parents and grandparents of recruits, not the recruits because they weren't even born yet.  The great news is that we have a Final Four and two Sweet 16's in the last ten years which has opened up opportunities with recruits we didn't have before.  That is what current recruits care about, not what we did in the 1970's.  

[Hoopaloop]

Where did you hear that "he is listening"?

IWB's twitter

[mviale]

I think Williams has more cache than Crean these days.

[chapman]

Texas is one thing, but SMU?  This would make Marquette ball look pretty bad. 

Agree.  There is nothing SMU offers in compensation or in program that MU isn't able to meet or exceed - and most of what SMU would need to offer is in promises, aka IOUs, whereas MU already has it in place for the program to utilize.  If he leaves it isn't about SMU, it's about not wanting to be here.     

Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"?  To SMU?  You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke.  Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?

He can listen all he wants.  For all we know he's making sure they have enough to offer to give a coach the opportunity to be successful - so he can feel good about pitching Benford to them.

[Hoopaloop]

I think Williams has more cache than Crean these days.

Nationally or at MU?

[HoopsMalone]

Doesn't Buzz take everyone's call and answer anyone's email?   Not a big surprise that he would respectfully listen to anyone who calls.  Buzz is never going to act like he is too good for anyone or any place.  

[spartan3186]

Is it just me or is anyone else sort of just pissed off that he is "listening"?  To SMU?  You got to be kidding me, it is like some sort of joke.  Even if he doesn't go, will it leave a bad taste in your mouth about the guy?

Are you saying that if a small start-up company in your industry came to you and offered you an equivalent position with an increased salary you would not listen? Add to the equation a move back to your home state where both your family and your spouse's family live?

I don't know about you, but I would certainly consider it.

Obviously there are a lot of other things that go into the equation, but I think most people here would listen.

[Goose]

Buzz has been very unhappy for several months and that has been my concern all along. I do believe that the brass at MU think that being SLU would be good enough for its fans. They saw the bad press last year, the Penn State mess, change in our conference and got scared. They do not think they need a $2.6 million coach and especially one they believe is a loose cannon.
I fear the .1% that Buzz just tells them see you later. If he leaves to crap job it is 100% on the shoulders of the adminstration. I have been harping on this for two months because I think the school thinks its supporters are all suckers. I said a month ago I hope I am wrong...but if he even listens to crap jobs it shows serious trouble.

[madtownwarrior]

If he leaves it isn't about SMU, it's about not wanting to be here.


and that is what is silly - this move would be:

1) A epic blow to MU's bball program and reputation
2) A goofy move by Buzz - he could do much better for himself than SMU
3) Show that the AD issues are true
4) Show that all the Buzzism's really are just another layer of coach speak versus being real...

[Aughnanure]

Buzz has been very unhappy for several months and that has been my concern all along. I do believe that the brass at MU think that being SLU would be good enough for its fans. They saw the bad press last year, the Penn State mess, change in our conference and got scared. They do not think they need a $2.6 million coach and especially one they believe is a loose cannon.
I fear the .1% that Buzz just tells them see you later. If he leaves to crap job it is 100% on the shoulders of the adminstration. I have been harping on this for two months because I think the school thinks its supporters are all suckers. I said a month ago I hope I am wrong...but if he even listens to crap jobs it shows serious trouble.

No they do not.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Buzz has been very unhappy for several months and that has been my concern all along. I do believe that the brass at MU think that being SLU would be good enough for its fans. They saw the bad press last year, the Penn State mess, change in our conference and got scared. They do not think they need a $2.6 million coach and especially one they believe is a loose cannon.
I fear the .1% that Buzz just tells them see you later. If he leaves to crap job it is 100% on the shoulders of the adminstration. I have been harping on this for two months because I think the school thinks its supporters are all suckers. I said a month ago I hope I am wrong...but if he even listens to crap jobs it shows serious trouble.

Just curious, because I usually don't read threads about our athletic department, Buzz leaving to school X, our AD, etc....what makes you think Buzz has been unhappy? And what is he unhappy about? Again, sorry for my ignorance...I usually just don't concern myself with matters unrelated to the team on the court. Thanks in advance.

[Goose]

He is listening because he feels slighted and his balls were squeezed. Nobody wants to be bashed by their boss in public or be mandated on how to run a program. Last years assault scared the hell out of the school and they ran scared. Buzz has too much power and too big of a salary for what the school wants from the program.
If Buzz leaves you can say goodbye to a major basketball program. For Buzz even to listen to crap jobs is him fighting back against the brass. I said earlier he is loose cannon and the ball squeezers might learn how loose.

[muguru]

He is listening because he feels slighted and his balls were squeezed. Nobody wants to be bashed by their boss in public or be mandated on how to run a program. Last years assault scared the hell out of the school and they ran scared. Buzz has too much power and too big of a salary for what the school wants from the program.
If Buzz leaves you can say goodbye to a major basketball program. For Buzz even to listen to crap jobs is him fighting back against the brass. I said earlier he is loose cannon and the ball squeezers might learn how loose.

Yep, believe me.....if Buzz goes, it's not because Buzz wants to, it's because the Admin has told him to go. They are apparently unhappy with some things regarding Buzz, so I guess they want to go back to being a non relevant hoops school. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I'm a little nervous now. Buzz is a wildcard. Who the hell knows.

BTW, does stop the: "I'll be here as long as they will have me" worship?

I like Buzz a lot, but he's like a lot of other coaches.

If Buzz and his family find a gig more attractive than MU, he'll leave. That's it. End of story. It might be this year, it might be 20 years from now, but it's the truth.

[Goose]

If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.

Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.

[Aughnanure]

If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.

Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.

So the President from Georgetown and the Athletic Director from Notre Dame don't think major athletics are important?

[madtownwarrior]

"I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons."

Care to elaborate - or are just going off a newspaper article?


I remember the "never know when it's going to end" quote.  That seemed odd at that time

However - if the rumors of what happened at 720 are true, a 1/2 game suspension is laughable and if Buzz leaves for that, then he probably is not right coach for MU...

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Again, Goose...what makes you think Buzz is so unhappy?

[Small Orange Soda]

I'm a little nervous now. Buzz is a wildcard. Who the hell knows.

BTW, does stop the: "I'll be here as long as they will have me" worship?

I like Buzz a lot, but he's like a lot of other coaches.

If Buzz and his family find a gig more attractive than MU, he'll leave. That's it. End of story. It might be this year, it might be 20 years from now, but it's the truth.

If he leaves, it will seem that the "they" in "I'll stay here as long as they'll have me" turned out to not just be Marquette, but Cottingham as well.

When Buzz bailed on New Orleans, his distaste with the administration became public knowledge.  If he leaves for SMU, I'd assume any disagreements with the Larry Williams would as well.

[GGGG]

Yep, believe me.....if Buzz goes, it's not because Buzz wants to, it's because the Admin has told him to go.

So now it's not just that Buzz is unhappy...it's that the administration *wants* him gone???  I seriously doubt that's the case.