The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[Silkk the Shaka]

So the President from Georgetown and the Athletic Director from Notre Dame don't think major athletics are important?

Sleeper agents sent to destroy MU hoops

[Goose]

Buzz is exactly the right coach for MU if we want to be elite. If we want to put out mid major product Buzz is not the right guy. Before anyone says it.....no one mention names like Wardle or Jeter for replacement if Buzz should leave. It is those kind of names that makes us a mid major.

All BS aside....if MU wants to be elite they make Buzz happy. He has done more in last couple of years than I though possible in regards to talent upgrade. I do not want to be SLU or whatever mid major program you want to pick. I hope we all want to be big time elite.

[MuMark]

You don't think they can figure out that MU fans and alumns weren't overly supportive in the days of Mike Deane? Before Crean got here we were an SLU level program and the fans were pissed off about it.

If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.

Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.

[muguru]

I'm a little nervous now. Buzz is a wildcard. Who the hell knows.

BTW, does stop the: "I'll be here as long as they will have me" worship?

I like Buzz a lot, but he's like a lot of other coaches.

If Buzz and his family find a gig more attractive than MU, he'll leave. That's it. End of story. It might be this year, it might be 20 years from now, but it's the truth.

That last, bolded part is the part to focus on.

[Small Orange Soda]

If you think they do not believe fans would support SLU type program watch who they hire if Buzz leaves. The change in the conference is big part of the problem. We are no longer in the elite conference and they do not think we need elite coach. Deep down I understand the thought process, just do not agree with it. Aside from watered down conference they are scared of Buzz. I have heard more comments said about Buzz from LW than any coach gets from AD in five seasons.

Look back to when Buzz said enjoy the ride because you never know how long it will last. When Jr. Was suspended for UW game it showed the rules had changed and Buzz was handcuffed.

I don't see why Larry Williams would take the job if the administration wants to 'downgrade' the only sport anyone cares about.

[Goose]

Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.

[GGGG]

Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.

OK, so why are they scared of him?

[Aughnanure]

Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.

How do you even believe what you are saying? 99% of fans would be totally cool with going to the tourney once  every, what?, 10 years? You don't go to 7 straight NCAAs and 2 straight Sweet 16's and somehow lower fans expectations of the program.  Basketball is also one of, if not their best, fundraising tool.

[jficke13]

Goose and other Buzz is leaving paranoid alarmists - I hope you all are ready for a big helping of crow when he stays.

[Goose]

I am sorry but except for vocal minority most fans accepted our down time too easily. There is a segment of people, myself included, that wants and expects elite status. Vast majority believe S16 is playing with house money. The school understands that most fans do not think we can be elite...so why risk it?

It all comes down to what expectations of program are going forward. This idiot wanted us to reach for the stars during last hiring process like SMU apparently is doing now. Being SLU and paying coach accordingly is not stupid idea....just not one I want to see us make. If we do not think we can be elite in next five years w do not need Buzz.

[MuMark]

Dick Strong pays his salary not the school.....This is not about money.

Sultan... The school does not know what they want in my opinion. Do they need a highly paid, loose cannon coach in the new version of BE. Die hard fans on here do not think we are FF team in next five years so why should we pay big salary to a guy that scares the . They are not stupid and not getting rid of him, but let's say tightening of balls gets him looking? Maybe they want him to look....they know 99% of fans would never believe he was nudged. That's why I have been beating this drum for two months.

[Aughnanure]

I am sorry but except for vocal minority most fans accepted our down time too easily. There is a segment of people, myself included, that wants and expects elite status. Vast majority believe S16 is playing with house money. The school understands that most fans do not think we can be elite...so why risk it?

It all comes down to what expectations of program are going forward. This idiot wanted us to reach for the stars during last hiring process like SMU apparently is doing now. Being SLU and paying coach accordingly is not stupid idea....just not one I want to see us make. If we do not think we can be elite in next five years w do not need Buzz.

Ha, and that went sooo porrly didn't it?

[Goose]

Law warrior....I have said a dozen times I want to eat crow. But also know I would feel horrible if we lost Buzz for wrong reason. Would feel worse if we lost Buzz for wrong reason and nobody why.

[Da 'Lanche]

1.  I hardly believe MU administration doesn't care if basketball program is "downgraded" now that the Big East is changing in landscape.   Men's BB is the golden goose for the entire athletic department and the recent resurgence (from crean to Buzz) only highlights its importance and the possibility to maintain top 20 status for the program.

2.  If Buzz were to leave because the administration is "squeezing" him to hold his players more accountable off the court then he is a hypocrite to what he preaches and I am fine with him leaving.    

3.  If he leaves, my search would begin and end with Shaka Smart who has roots in the state is a hot commodity and was listening to Illinois job.

I love Buzz and hope he is at MU for a long time...but if he goes, he goes.  I'm not going to blame administration of the university unless they hire a clunker to replace him.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

That last, bolded part is the part to focus on.

They (MU) just gave him a big contract last year.

I realize Larry and Buzz might not be best friends, but if Buzz leaves, this reeks of "Fine, I'll take my ball and go home".

They need to work it out. I don't know Larry, but he seems pretty competent and qualified. He and Buzz need to work it out if that is a real issue.

[Clam Crowder]

I think we're all getting worried again for nothing, but I guess we will just have to wait and see. I agree though that the boys not being held accountable would be a big issue. Nothing we say on here will help us keep Buzz around. I highly doubt that Larry would want to lose Buzz.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

1.  I hardly believe MU administration doesn't care if basketball program is "downgraded" now that the Big East is changing in landscape.   Men's BB is the golden goose for the entire athletic department and the recent resurgence (from crean to Buzz) only highlights its importance and the possibility to maintain top 20 status for the program.

2.  If Buzz were to leave because the administration is "squeezing" him to hold his players more accountable off the court then he is a hypocrite to what he preaches and I am fine with him leaving.    

3.  If he leaves, my search would begin and end with Shaka Smart who has roots in the state is a hot commodity and was listening to Illinois job.

I love Buzz and hope he is at MU for a long time...but if he goes, he goes.  I'm not going to blame administration of the university unless they hire a clunker to replace him.

Agree.

If he leaves for UT, then I'll shrug it off as a promotion and the nature of the business.

If he leaves for SMU, it just seems more selfish, right? Either he is going for the $, or because he's mad at MU.

Just doesn't sit well for me. In fact, I don't even like the idea that he is "listening". I mean, he just got a BIG contract last year.

[4everwarriors]

"Being here as long as I'm wanted" is open to interpretation. Assume Buzz was instructed to tighten up his guys. That can be construed as I'm no longer wanted.
I repeat, remember neither Pilarz nor Larry had a hand in Buzz' hiring.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

"Being here as long as I'm wanted" is open to interpretation. Assume Buzz was instructed to tighten up his guys. That can be construed as I'm no longer wanted.
I repeat, remember neither Pilarz nor Larry had a hand in Buzz' hiring.

I don't disagree, but there were a lot of people who sprouted wood over that quote.

[Clam Crowder]

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?287-Could-Buzz-Williams-leave-Marquette-for-SMU#mubb

IWB just posted this

[MarquetteFan94]

First, I want Buzz to be our coach for the next 20 years.  I believe in his loyalty to MU.  However, the whole "I will be here as long as they have me" thing was said when he just hit the jackpot here; with a diff President and AD.  A lot of people would reevaluate their positions if their first and second line management changed....in any job....especially if your autonomy feels threatened.

If he wants to listen to SMU and is swayed by the $, other supposed perks and the chance to get back to TX then so be it.  Clearly the man works his ass off and will make SMU a respectable, regular NIT/occasional NCAA tournament participant.  That's prob good enough for them.

If he gets that bent out of shape over Larry Williams' public comments about his dance at WVU and/or "loose cannon" personality then he needs to get thicker skin and has a much bigger ego than he leads on.  I honestly would be very surprised if this was the case but I guess it's possible.  Further, if that's the driver to to get him listening to a program like SMU then that's a shame and shows a side of him I didn't think was there.

In a way I would be better with him going somewhere like SMU because it would be viewed nationally as such a random, bad decision (from a pure basketball/program perspective) and would reveal a whole new side to Buzz's character (couldn't resist)....than if he went somewhere like Illinois, etc.

As others have said MU is bigger than one coach.

[FF03]

http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/content.php?287-Could-Buzz-Williams-leave-Marquette-for-SMU#mubb

Not sure if this has been posted yet but here is a story just posted by IWB....all about "relationships" apparently. 

[Goose]

If Buzz took a job like SMU it would make us look like complete idiots. Lose him to UCLA or Kansas outsiders could understand. You tell me what quality coach would come here if he left for SMU? He would not be leaving for money he would be leaving to get the hell out of town. It would be a PR nightmare...only positive for school would be most fans would believe story and become Buzz bashers.

[pbiflyer]

So the President from Georgetown and the Athletic Director from Notre Dame don't think major athletics are important?

The President from Scranton and the AD from Portland, you mean.

[wadesworld]

Agree.

If he leaves for UT, then I'll shrug it off as a promotion and the nature of the business.

If he leaves for SMU, it just seems more selfish, right? Either he is going for the $, or because he's mad at MU.

Just doesn't sit well for me. In fact, I don't even like the idea that he is "listening". I mean, he just got a BIG contract last year.

Why?  If someone offered you a 30% raise and you didn't particularly like your boss, you wouldn't listen?  I know people question how athletes/coaches can be influenced by money when they're set for life whether their contract says $2 million a year or $2.6 million a year, but what if your salary is currently $75,000 and you were offered $90,000 and a boss who you can get along with a lot better and work with better?  Are you being selfish, or doing what is best for you?