The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Here you go Bro,
The new sheriff and his deputy dug in Buzz' stuff. Basically, upon directive from on high, the acts of several players have brought unwanted negative publicity to our fine alma mater and are not to be repeated henceforth. This, of course, smacks of messin' with happy and the bus driver is pissed and feelin' unloved. So, the pissin' match starts with who blinks first. Likely ending will be MU changin' coaches, sooner than later citing irreconcible differences.

Doubt it. You know the sh*tstorm that would go down if LW ended up with that. Even the BOT isn't that dumb. Buzz holds all the cards as long as he wins and recruits.

[Hamostradamus]

Yes, I will state my sources.  I have none.  And that is the important part. 

This is possibly the most awesome thing ever printed. 

[seinfeld]

Doubt it. You know the sh*tstorm that would go down if LW ended up with that. Even the BOT isn't that dumb. Buzz holds all the cards as long as he wins and recruits.

no, not really. he is one major off-court player incident or recruiting mishap away from being canned.

[4everwarriors]

Virtually verbatim.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

no, not really. he is one major off-court player incident or recruiting mishap away from being canned.

No sh*t. Every coach is.

[NersEllenson]

How can a university screw up the relationship with its number 1 asset?  How can a coach spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year with 13 players?  Young men 18-22 make mistakes. 

Sure hope Buzz doesn't leave, but if MU doesn't get it right with Buzz - MU hoops as you've known it these last 10 years is over.  Be ready for a return to the Mike Deane days.  Sadly believe the new administration has an arrogance about it that is reminiscent of the DiUlio days...

[Jam Chowder]

How can a university screw up the relationship with its number 1 asset?  How can a coach spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year with 13 players?  Young men 18-22 make mistakes. 

Sure hope Buzz doesn't leave, but if MU doesn't get it right with Buzz - MU hoops as you've known it these last 10 years is over.  Be ready for a return to the Mike Deane days.  Sadly believe the new administration has an arrogance about it that is reminiscent of the DiUlio days...

Really? Arrogance? It's arrogance that leadership is sick of story after story emerging about the inability of these young men to act as responsible members of society? As an alum, I'm sick of seeing certain members of the men's basketball program repeatedly disgrace the character of Marquette by getting in fights, assaulting women, etc. It's really not unreasonable to expect them to avoid these types of situations.

Buzz has more contact with these players more than anyone else associated with the university, and should be held accountable for their conduct. I love it when they're winning, but winning without integrity is meaningless.

[4everwarriors]

Welcome to the Harvard of the Midwest.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Dead on Doctor. Nice to see some analysis of a complex situation rather than the simple among our fandom saying stupid things like this proves that Buzz is a "basketball mercenary" and a phony/conman.

I represent this remark.

I don't think basketball mercenary is inaccurate or unfair. Buzz has scraped and clawed his way to the top by taking the jobs nobody else was willing or wanted to do. He has definitely taken the road less traveled.

I would never say Buzz is a conman, but the dude isn't as dumb as he likes to play, and I would say the vast majority of his comments and statements are very well thought out. 

I like the guy, I hope he coaches at MU for a long time.

[brewcity77]

I represent this remark.

I really don't think you do...

[ATWizJr]

Doubt it. You know the sh*tstorm that would go down if LW ended up with that. Even the BOT isn't that dumb. Buzz holds all the cards as long as he wins and recruits.

Really?  You have much more confidence in the BOT, Prez, and AD than I do.  Remember, it was folks just like this who scrapped our Warrior name and gave us the Gold.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

There are issues on our board that would be way more embarrassing to Marquette University than a couple fights and jilted girlfriends.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Methodists, on the other hand, are the most ecumenical of faiths. They call up the Catholic parish and suggest a joint Easter Egg hunt. They have Passover/Easter dinners with the local temple.

I picture Dean Martin & Sammy Davis Jr. at near the end of The Cannonball Run.  "Next time we're Methodists!"

[warthog-driver]

Funny, you seem to put more faith in what SMU's AD might have to say than what Larry Williams had to say.  Maybe you should go have a drink with Chicos. 

Larry Williams staff put out a carefully worded canned ham. Not much to chew on and certainly no insight. The Fox reporter related a conversation she had with Vaughn. Lots of detail.

[brewcity77]

  Really?  You have much more confidence in the BOT, Prez, and AD than I do.  Remember, it was folks just like this who scrapped our Warrior name and gave us the Gold.

Okay...that's still massive revisionist history. Yes, they changed the Warrior name, and anyone who looks at the circumstances surrounding the change can see that there was a pretty clear and immediate reason that change was made. And they made the change to Golden Eagles, not Gold. It wasn't until a booster came along and offered $2 million to change it back (I remember well...it was at my graduation) that the name debate opened again, and only then did the "Gold" thing come up, some 11 years later. But as the circumstances surrounding the change were still right there, they couldn't go back to Warriors, so they came up with something innovative that they thought might appease the anti-Golden Eagles crowd. Granted, it was innovative crap, and once they realized it, they put it up for a vote, but acting as though this was just a rubber stamp "Warriors out, Gold in" decision is incredibly narrow-sighted. It was a long process that had a number of other factors (well...okay, one other factor) and I would be willing to wager a lot more money than $2 million.

[GGGG]

Exactly brew. And let's not forget that it is this board and administration that lead MU to its resurgence over the past 20 years. Do they make mistakes?  Sure. Do they have skeletons?  Sure. But they are in general very smart people.

[Freeport Warrior]

Believe what you want to believe, but like many have said, this was very close. Any other decent Southwest target and Buzz would have been gone. We simply got lucky it was SMU because MU was prepared -- yet scared -- to let him walk.

Another nugget I heard from this a few weeks ago was that with all of the BB success recently, they (admin, AD, pres, BOT) felt like they might be on their way to another Crean situation. Crean was power-mad, answered to no one toward the end and truly believed basketball was Marquette. Some would say he believed HE was Marquette. They wanted to make sure they didn't make the same mistakes with Buzz by giving him unchecked control. With the assault stuff, Buzz wanted to handle internally with a "this is a basketball issue" mentality -- and admin felt like it was an MU issue. New guys everywhere -- other issues boiling as well -- front page embarrassments -- power struggle ensues.

[Goose]

My gut tells me that the BOT and admin have a ton of inside information that will either confirm Buzz needs to stay or move on. I may have had knee jerk reaction that was based solely off my desire of the program being elite and not the best interest of the school in general. No doubt everyone involves knows importance of ball to the school. Hate to say it, but if something does happen in the coaching situation down the road I do think it will be a well thought out decision.
Good news is everyone involved has time to figure things out. Buzz very well might be a loose cannon and that might not be a good thing. Time is on everyone's side to find out what is best for all parties.

[Goose]

Freeport
Well said. Obviously a ton of things that happen behind the scenes and you very well might be completely correct on your post.

[RushmoreAcademy]

Crean was power-mad, answered to no one toward the end and truly believed basketball was Marquette. Some would say he believed HE was Marquette.

Got an image of Tom Crean giving a WWE-style interview, where he pauses, takes off his european sunglasses, looks directly into the camera and says "I. Am. Marquette." with a scowl.

[seinfeld]

All the concerns of the Admin basically boils down to institutional control. They don't want to get to a situation where the NCAA comes in sometime in the future and tags MU with 'lack of institutional control.' If Buzz was thinking over the last two years that he had total control over the program and he was off on an island and could deal with all problems internally, then, yes, that would be a concern of the Administration and rightly so. So if the two parties can get over that major bump, there could be less tension in the future. Time will tell.

[madtownwarrior]

after reading the last few pages of this dialogue - I don't think anybody knows jack SHlT about what REALLY went down...  (and no I don't have any sources either)...   

done reading these threads, it's embarrassing the debate continues on SMU/Buzz...

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

All the concerns of the Admin basically boils down to institutional control. They don't want to get to a situation where the NCAA comes in sometime in the future and tags MU with 'lack of institutional control.' If Buzz was thinking over the last two years that he had total control over the program and he was off on an island and could deal with all problems internally, then, yes, that would be a concern of the Administration and rightly so. So if the two parties can get over that major bump, there could be less tension in the future. Time will tell.

+1.

Penn State didn't know it was "Penn State" before it was too late. All schools need to keep the checks and balances, even if it is uncomfortable sometimes.

[MerrittsMustache]

My sources tell me that Buzz did NOT leave for SMU and that it doesn't matter how close he might have been to leaving, he's still the head coach at Marquette.

[jesmu84]

All the concerns of the Admin basically boils down to institutional control. They don't want to get to a situation where the NCAA comes in sometime in the future and tags MU with 'lack of institutional control.' If Buzz was thinking over the last two years that he had total control over the program and he was off on an island and could deal with all problems internally, then, yes, that would be a concern of the Administration and rightly so. So if the two parties can get over that major bump, there could be less tension in the future. Time will tell.

seinfeld or muguru...

where/how does the player(s) being pushed out figure in to all of this? especially (as been reported by you guys) since the player isn't out due to behavior/conduct.