The Everlasting Craptastical Mystery Thread

[Goose]

2002
Exactly right on the Penn State comment. My only concern on the issue was/is MU going to too far to protect itself or is there real issues. The issues we know about are troublesome but not really out of the norm in todays world of sports. If MU has concerns they have every right to make the call seem fit. This fan hopes that a way to make everyone happy can be found in upcoming months.

[GGGG]

Madtownwarrior:  "ignorance is bliss."

[Aughnanure]

Sultan
Sad thing is I really wish we were wrong. Any naysayers have not stated one thing factual to prove our claims false, yet they stick with their opinion. You and I took heat for our comments based off sources and are told we are wrong....disappointing that a group of adults would lack the reasoning that we had nothing to gain from our posts. Big Daddy gets jerked off for stating DG had jersey backed after his 19 post and you would have thought he cured cancer. Funny thing is Big Daddy says one thing in forum and another off camera.

Do you do anything else other than talk about what you've talked about?

[Lennys Tap]

I represent this remark.

I don't think basketball mercenary is inaccurate or unfair. Buzz has scraped and clawed his way to the top by taking the jobs nobody else was willing or wanted to do. He has definitely taken the road less traveled.

I would never say Buzz is a conman, but the dude isn't as dumb as he likes to play, and I would say the vast majority of his comments and statements are very well thought out. 

I like the guy, I hope he coaches at MU for a long time.

A mercenary is a hired gun who sells himself to the highest bidder without regard to principle. Buzz has already committed what some said would be professional suicide over principle (New Orleans) and nearly did it again last month. So to me mercenary doesn't fit.

As far as "playing dumb", I think that's inaccurate also. Buzz is young, grateful and respectful. Sometimes self-depricating, but of course he's smart. Very smart. That's a no brainer. Would we want him running our program if that wasn't the case?

[madtownwarrior]

Sultan - pretending or portraying more than you really know is ignorance ...

continuing to say - "see, I knew what I was talking about cause Jason King says so is even more ignorance"

[madtownwarrior]

I can see it now - 2014 when buzz is in the final four with MU - "we were right about that rift and him almost going to SMU..."

Do you do anything else other than talk about what you've talked about?

[Lennys Tap]

+1.

Penn State didn't know it was "Penn State" before it was too late. All schools need to keep the checks and balances, even if it is uncomfortable sometimes.

What are you talking about? Penn State knew exactly who they were, just like Nixon and the Catholic Church did. They covered up for a serial child molester, and the cover up went right to the top. Any comparison to Penn State is absurd.

[Benny B]

Yes, I will state my sources.  I have none.  And that is the important part.  When s*it goes down, I usually get lots of e-mails and PMs.  I got none about this whole SMU thing, except for Goose trying to convince me he had good information (and I know of Goose's source).  A lack of a source is my source that everyone else was spewing s*it.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that several people around here know of Goose's source; coincidentally, these are the people who were never worried about Buzz leaving.

If you scour everything that's been said about Buzz and SMU over the past 60 days, you will find that every angle possible has been written/reported/tweeted by somebody somewhere.  Cherry-picking one article by Jason King does not validate anything except the fact that everyone has their own opinion.

[GGGG]

No it isn't ignorance and I never once said something that I didn't hear from people at MU. If you don't like what I have said that's fine by me.  But that won't stop me from forwarding it along. 

[Lennys Tap]

Sultan - pretending or portraying more than you really know is ignorance ...

continuing to say - "see, I knew what I was talking about cause Jason King says so is even more ignorance"

Madtown - I don't know how close Buzz came to leaving. All I know is that my source, who told me that Buzz was likely an MU lifer (in March 2011), told me in February of this year (before any of this SMU talk) that Buzz was very unhappy. Mock me if you like, but I trust my source.

I find it especially ironic that those who mocked IWB's report based their disdain on the fact that no national media was going with the story. Now you guys are mocking the same national media.

[swoopem]

Were any of you at the bball banquet? I ask this because I've heard from a few people that Buzz openly said he is sick of all the rumors and isn't going anywhere (I know he's a bball coach and you can't always take him at his word). He also said that he hasn't made the players who they are today and they have made him which is the reason he could never be able to leave them, kinda like last year with "I can't leave Junior, I can't leave Jae, etc".

This could have been just a nice thing to say in public to give the fans what they want to hear, or it could be the truth which is what I take it as. This all happened a month ago I'm sure that these GROWN MEN can work it out and get on the same page for the overall success of MU both on the court and off.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

What are you talking about? Penn State knew exactly who they were, just like Nixon and the Catholic Church did. They covered up for a serial child molester, and the cover up went right to the top. Any comparison to Penn State is absurd.

The cover up, yes, Penn State knew who it was.

However, the lack of control leading up to that created to a culture where a cover-up was possible.

A lack of accountability for years at Penn State led to it's downfall, not one specific situation.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

2002
Exactly right on the Penn State comment. My only concern on the issue was/is MU going to too far to protect itself or is there real issues. The issues we know about are troublesome but not really out of the norm in todays world of sports. If MU has concerns they have every right to make the call seem fit. This fan hopes that a way to make everyone happy can be found in upcoming months.

Totally fair. I don't want MU to put handcuffs on it's athletics. Nor do I think Buzz & co. have done anything egregious.

But, there needs to be accountability, and if that is where the alleged friction began, hopefully it can be worked out.

[MerrittsMustache]

No it isn't ignorance and I never once said something that I didn't hear from people at MU. If you don't like what I have said that's fine by me.  But that won't stop me from forwarding it along. 

My first boss once told me that the opposite of ignorant is gullible. That was nearly 10 years ago and I still have no idea if it makes sense or if he was insulting me. I also don't think it necessarily applies here but it sounds good when you say it to subordinates.

[strotty]

Were any of you at the bball banquet? I ask this because I've heard from a few people that Buzz openly said he is sick of all the rumors and isn't going anywhere (I know he's a bball coach and you can't always take him at his word). He also said that he hasn't made the players who they are today and they have made him which is the reason he could never be able to leave them, kinda like last year with "I can't leave Junior, I can't leave Jae, etc".

This could have been just a nice thing to say in public to give the fans what they want to hear, or it could be the truth which is what I take it as. This all happened a month ago I'm sure that these GROWN MEN can work it out and get on the same page for the overall success of MU both on the court and off.

Ironically, he said it during his presentation of giving DJO the "Sacrifice for the String" award.

He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...

But he has said it in the past, specifically referencing Cadougan and Otule (seniors next year).

[Bocephys]

Ironically, he said it during his presentation of giving DJO the "Sacrifice for the String" award.

He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...

But he has said it in the past, specifically referencing Cadougan and Otule (seniors next year).

So Otule's sixth year should buy us some time.

[Lennys Tap]

He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...

Buzz to the Minnesota Timberwolves?

[TJ]

My gut tells me that the BOT and admin have a ton of inside information that will either confirm Buzz needs to stay or move on. I may have had knee jerk reaction that was based solely off my desire of the program being elite and not the best interest of the school in general. No doubt everyone involves knows importance of ball to the school. Hate to say it, but if something does happen in the coaching situation down the road I do think it will be a well thought out decision.
Good news is everyone involved has time to figure things out. Buzz very well might be a loose cannon and that might not be a good thing. Time is on everyone's side to find out what is best for all parties.

So you're no longer hoping for Buzz to "stick it to 'em", with "'em" being the University we are all here to cheer for?

If Buzz leaves there would be a very large number of folks cancel tickets. Buzz is in th drivers seat and he school knows it. They let him get more power than they wanted and the power is growing by the hour.

Stick it to 'em Buzz.

[Lennys Tap]

The cover up, yes, Penn State knew who it was.

However, the lack of control leading up to that created to a culture where a cover-up was possible.

A lack of accountability for years at Penn State led to it's downfall, not one specific situation.

All the "lack of control", "created a culture" mumbo jumbo aside, Penn State's downfall was most certainly caused by a specific situation - the raping of young boys by Jerry Sandusky and the failure of the people in charge to report/put an end to it. Specific people failed the University and Sandusky's victims in specific situations. Period.

[lab_warrior]

Unless he was physically in the room or literally on the phone at the same time as Buzz and SMU, there's no way he knows this except hearing it secondhand. Now it's being reported as fact, and soon a 10,000 page thread will result on MUScoop. I suppose now you all believe in snarks and grumpkins as well.

Yes, yes, and yes.  This thread probably could probably just have stopped at this post. 

"Butbutbutbutbutbut... JASON KING said..."  Scott Templeton, anyone?



Give me a break.  Buzz was never going anywhere.  MOVING ALONG NOW.

[TJ]

He said, "Everyone's saying, 'Buzz, don't leave.' I'm not leaving that guy!" and pointed to DJO...

But he has said it in the past, specifically referencing Cadougan and Otule (seniors next year).

So he promised to wait until late May?  DJO is not going to be with the team next year, so promising not to leave him isn't saying much.
That being said, he's not going anywhere.

Ironically, he said it during his presentation of giving DJO the "Sacrifice for the String" award.

I'm still pissed that they stopped handing out the Oluoma Nnamaka Consistency Award.

2007-08: Jerel McNeal
2006-07: Wesley Matthews
2005-06: Chris Grimm
2004-05: Ousmane Barro and Dan Fitzgerald
2003-04: ??? can't find it anywhere
2002-03: Terry Sanders
2001-02: Oluoma Nnamaka (it was just called the Consistency Award then)

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

All the "lack of control", "created a culture" mumbo jumbo aside, Penn State's downfall was most certainly caused by a specific situation - the raping of young boys by Jerry Sandusky and the failure of the people in charge to report/put an end to it. Specific people failed the University and Sandusky's victims in specific situations. Period.

Mumbo jumbo?

Jerry was allowed to get away with everything for years because people worshiped at the alter of football, and JoePa.

When people know something is wrong, but NOBODY speaks up because it would hurt "the program"... that is a most certainly a culture problem.

It doesn't matter what the wrongdoing was, nobody at Penn State was speaking up, and that's the root of the issue.

[lab_warrior]

Agreed. Clowns on ESPN report possible moves, contracts, etc... all the time citing "sources." If it turns out that they were "almost right" that doesn't mean they didn't just make it up in the first place.

A -YUP! It isn't just sports journalists, too, lots of other news media s***heads get in on the fun.  See:  Judith Miller's stellar WMD in Iraq reporting, circa 2003, and Dan Rather's super helpful analysis of the fake GW Bush Air Natl. Guard documents in 2004.

[mu03eng]

Mumbo jumbo?

Jerry was allowed to get away with everything for years because people worshiped at the alter of football, and JoePa.

When people know something is wrong, but NOBODY speaks up because it would hurt "the program"... that is a most certainly a culture problem.

It doesn't matter what the wrongdoing was, nobody at Penn State was speaking up, and that's the root of the issue.

It was absolutely a culture problem....even some of the BOT at Penn State knew about the Sandusky allegations as far back as 2009(including the now Governor of Pennsylvania who started the investigation as AG), and yet did nothing about it.  That is all a culture problem.  MU isn't even close to that kind of problem, just a little course correction for some of the athletics and we're all good

[MerrittsMustache]

So he promised to wait until late May?  DJO is not going to be with the team next year, so promising not to leave him isn't saying much.
That being said, he's not going anywhere.

I'm still pissed that they stopped handing out the Oluoma Nnamaka Consistency Award.

2007-08: Jerel McNeal
2006-07: Wesley Matthews
2005-06: Chris Grimm
2004-05: Ousmane Barro and Dan Fitzgerald
2003-04: ??? can't find it anywhere
2002-03: Terry Sanders
2001-02: Oluoma Nnamaka (it was just called the Consistency Award then)

Doesn't changing the name of the Consistency Award go against the nature of the award?