JayMay "true story" from Scout board

[ATWizJr]

I wonder if all this is mitigated if we beat the Badgers?  Were the Maymons so embarrassed in their hometown that the frustration spilled over into other areas?  And then they just lost it?

[Big Papi]

The "true story" post does not jibe with what J. Butler said at last Thursday's presser.  

Actually while I don't believe the entire "true story" most of it does jibe with what went down.  There have been a lot of rumors on the net but the one that has appeared consistent is that Tim at one point in time, did have a meeting with Buzz, voicing his displeasure of how Buzz was using Jeronne.  Now did it go down exactly as the so called "true story" I dont know.  

Also, I do believe that when Tim said he didn't know anything about Jeronne leaving, that that could probably be 100% true.  Could he have been shocked that MU was forcing his hand?  It makes sense reading the story.

Next thing is, MU put out a presser very quickly and early in the process.  They didn't wait around on wishing him the best and hoping things work out for him.

Next, Jimmy says Jeronne looked and acted the same from beginning to end.  He was shocked that Jeronne was quitting because he showed no indication of leaving.  Sure sounds like it was not Jeronne's idea to leave.
Next, Buzz waits until Thursday to make formal comments.  My guess is to possibly square away the logistics of what they were doing.
Finally, in listening to how Buzz responds, he truly has strong feelings for Jeronne and it is obvious he does not have a beef with Jeronne and kind of implies that Tim is the one who is the problem in all of this.
It is interesting.

[Golden Avalanche]

There are several doubts I have with the story:

- When this all happened several posters said Tim Maymon seemed fine at the UW game supporting MU and cheering them on.

- Like the previous poster said Jimmy said he just had a normal conversation with Jerrone and they didn't bring it up

- To get to the lower level of the AL you need either a card to swipe in or know the code on the doors.  I'm guessing Tim Maymon knows neither of these.  While a staff member could have let him in the building to meet with the AD, Tim couldn't simply run into practice from upstairs.

FWIW, and probably not much, the posted story is very similar to what I was told by someone who works in the athletic department. In fact, I bet there's 10-12 people who regularly post here that have heard most of these details. There is truth to it.

Details may be murky for some but we can all agree that someone was blindsided when they shouldn't normally be in this situation.

[Big Papi]

There are several doubts I have with the story:

- When this all happened several posters said Tim Maymon seemed fine at the UW game supporting MU and cheering them on.  Why would he be fine, if he knew Jeronne was leaving.  Sure looks like MU might have forced his hand on the matter.

- Like the previous poster said Jimmy said he just had a normal conversation with Jerrone and they didn't bring it up Again, based on that, sure looks like Jeronne was happy and didn't want to leave.

- To get to the lower level of the AL you need either a card to swipe in or know the code on the doors.  I'm guessing Tim Maymon knows neither of these.  While a staff member could have let him in the building to meet with the AD, Tim couldn't simply run into practice from upstairs. This is the part of the story I don't believe 100% but there have been a lot of consistent rumors that Tim has voiced his displeasure to Buzz about Jeronne's role on the team.  And my guess is, he did find a way to get into the building one way or another on Sunday and that might have been the last straw to an ultimatum

[🏀]

There are several doubts I have with the story:

- When this all happened several posters said Tim Maymon seemed fine at the UW game supporting MU and cheering them on.

- Like the previous poster said Jimmy said he just had a normal conversation with Jerrone and they didn't bring it up

- To get to the lower level of the AL you need either a card to swipe in or know the code on the doors.  I'm guessing Tim Maymon knows neither of these.  While a staff member could have let him in the building to meet with the AD, Tim couldn't simply run into practice from upstairs.

Unless the doors to the arena were open. They could have been in there or he can gain access. We both know those doors are always open.

[TallTitan34]

Unless the doors to the arena were open. They could have been in there or he can gain access. We both know those doors are always open.

The doors to the arena are swipe entry.

[MarquetteDano]

Yowza.  Reading the story there appears to be some editorializing, but it would seem more truth than fiction.  Not good.  You have to feel for Jeronne reading that story.

[NersEllenson]

Parts are true, parts are pure speculation.

From what I've seen on this board, BMA seems to have a lot of credible, inside information.  So, we should take his above comment and take it for what it is worth.  One point I'd like to have 100% clarified is:  Did Jerrone actually call the coaching staff, players, etc. to try to get back on the team/Is it 100% true that Jerrone did not want to quit/leave MU?

[🏀]

The doors to the arena are swipe entry.

Shenanigans! I always could open those doors and go underneath.

[bma725]

From what I've seen on this board, BMA seems to have a lot of credible, inside information.  So, we should take his above comment and take it for what it is worth.  One point I'd like to have 100% clarified is:  Did Jerrone actually call the coaching staff, players, etc. to try to get back on the team/Is it 100% true that Jerrone did not want to quit/leave MU?

100% clarification is impossible unless you get to talk to Buzz.

Maymon did call, but I've heard conflicting things about what the call was about from people who would know.  Some say he called trying to get back on the team, some say he called everyone to apologize for his father's behavior. 

I should clarify that when I say part was speculation, I'm talking about the part where Buzz kicked him off the team.  This story is floating around different parts with a couple different endings, ranging from Buzz kicking him off the team to Tim dragging Jeronne out of practice with him. 

There are some close to the team who are adamant that Jeronne was not kicked off the team and that he did not leave because he wanted to leave.

[KipsBayEagle]

U really think Buzz Williams would go along with kicking a talented, by all accounts, nice kid off a team because his father is a jackass?  I highly doubt that.  And if this is true, I feel nothing but sympathy for J may, and nothing but disgust for the basketball staff.  Your grown men, handle this guy.  Too kick a kid off a team because they couldn't handle his father is embarrassing.  Thats something that goes on at CYO leagues, not here.

[GGGG]

There are some close to the team who are adamant that Jeronne was not kicked off the team and that he did not leave because he wanted to leave.

Well, that leaves it at the feet of one person...just as we suspected.  I mean, it really isn't relevant if he quit or was kicked off, and the true story will likely never be known.  Obviously it was a conflict that escalated throughout the season and came to a boil last Sunday.  

But I think it is safe to say that if Jeronne didn't have Tim Maymon as a father, he'd still be on the team.  And that makes me feel bad for not only the team, but mostly for Jeronne.

[GGGG]

U really think Buzz Williams would go along with kicking a talented, by all accounts, nice kid off a team because his father is a jackass?  I highly doubt that.  And if this is true, I feel nothing but sympathy for J may, and nothing but disgust for the basketball staff.  Your grown men, handle this guy.  Too kick a kid off a team because they couldn't handle his father is embarrassing.  Thats something that goes on at CYO leagues, not here.

If you have a father that is berating athletic department officials, barging into practice, demanding to meet with the coach and/or AD at a moments notice, you may have no choice if it is affecting team chemistry.

[jfmu]

I dont know if these have been posted but these just confirm TM is crazy.

These are from his facebook.

Someone: "Okay, Tim, what am I going to do with all the Marquette tickets I bought????? GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!"
TM: "i dont know , maybe still go to the games or sell them? they did him wrong and he wanted out..they did not want him to shoot the ball,so he asked to tranfer..that was it nothing else..


Another post had someone predicting the badgers 76, mu 70 and he wrote back, "who can stop my son not u or any of ur badgers*****"

[downtown85]

Well, that leaves it at the feet of one person...just as we suspected.  

Tom Crean!   

[Lennys Tap]

100% clarification is impossible unless you get to talk to Buzz.

Maymon did call, but I've heard conflicting things about what the call was about from people who would know.  Some say he called trying to get back on the team, some say he called everyone to apologize for his father's behavior. 

I should clarify that when I say part was speculation, I'm talking about the part where Buzz kicked him off the team.  This story is floating around different parts with a couple different endings, ranging from Buzz kicking him off the team to Tim dragging Jeronne out of practice with him. 

There are some close to the team who are adamant that Jeronne was not kicked off the team and that he did not leave because he wanted to leave.

Well, if he wasn't kicked off and he didn't WANT off....sounds like either a) Tim Maymon removed him personally from the team b) Tim Maymon gave MU an ultimatum and MU called his bluff or c) MU gave Tim Maymon an "or else" and he chose "or else".

[MerrittsMustache]

There's probably some truth to that story, but I don't believe for a second that Buzz kicked him off the team. Buzz's job is to win basketball games. With an already undersized team that lacks depth, there's just no way that he'd boot a talented, big-bodied player who's seeing decent minutes. It's just not plausible.

What I would believe is that Tim told Buzz that he'd take Jeronne elsewhere if he didn't use him how Tim believed he should be used, followed by Buzz telling him to do exactly that. Reversing that, I could see Buzz telling Tim something to the effect of, "If you want Jeronne to play more minutes at the 3, send him somewhere else" and Tim deciding to pull the plug. Either of these scenarios could be churned through the rumor mill and come out as "Buzz kicked him off the team."
(Just to reiterate, these are just my own thoughts based on the "true" story previously posted)

However it went down, I truly believe that it was Tim, not Jeronne, who made the final decision. In Tim's mind, his son wasn't being utilized correctly, wasn't playing enough minutes, and the coach wasn't giving in to his demands. Strikes one, two and three!

[Benny B]

c) MU gave Tim Maymon an "or else" and he chose "or else".

I hate love it when they choose "or else."

[Hards Alumni]

There are several doubts I have with the story:

- When this all happened several posters said Tim Maymon seemed fine at the UW game supporting MU and cheering them on.

- Like the previous poster said Jimmy said he just had a normal conversation with Jerrone and they didn't bring it up

- To get to the lower level of the AL you need either a card to swipe in or know the code on the doors.  I'm guessing Tim Maymon knows neither of these.  While a staff member could have let him in the building to meet with the AD, Tim couldn't simply run into practice from upstairs.

I can usually agree with most of the stuff you post, but I completely disagree here.

First point.  Just because TM was cheering on MU doesn't really mean anything... why would he openly cheer against his son's team... Even if JM was about to leave the team?

Secondly.  As other posters have said, the players were coached what to say... for legal reasons, and the obvious reasons.

Who is to say that TM didn't get the number or have a card to gain access to the arena?  It isn't unreasonable to think that both are possible.

[muwarrior87]

Who is to say that TM didn't get the number or have a card to gain access to the arena?  It isn't unreasonable to think that both are possible.

Generally speaking, parents of athletes either come in with their child or are escorted in by staff.

[StillWarriors]

Another post had someone predicting the badgers 76, mu 70 and he wrote back, "who can stop my son not u or any of ur badgers*****"

Tim Maymon can

[NersEllenson]

100% clarification is impossible unless you get to talk to Buzz.

Maymon did call, but I've heard conflicting things about what the call was about from people who would know.  Some say he called trying to get back on the team, some say he called everyone to apologize for his father's behavior. 

I should clarify that when I say part was speculation, I'm talking about the part where Buzz kicked him off the team.  This story is floating around different parts with a couple different endings, ranging from Buzz kicking him off the team to Tim dragging Jeronne out of practice with him. 

There are some close to the team who are adamant that Jeronne was not kicked off the team and that he did not leave because he wanted to leave.

Thanks for the clarification BMA - I think we can all take this RED area above as the ultimate truth..and realize this was 100% on Tim Maymon.  I posted earlier that while his Dad maybe overbearing, etc., he is entitled to his opinion..and if he felt it was best for J-May to work on his craft elsewhere - so be it..and JMay going along with his father's counsel, could be him being a respectful son..and also hard for an 18-year old to completely turn his back on his father.  Think about that for a minute.  I really hope wherever JMay goes, he goes far away from his Dad, is it would probably be best for his development and chances for ultimate success.  Sad story, anyway you look at it.

[martyconlonontherun]

I don't think it is unreasonable that Tim could find a way in. Yes, techincally he couldn't gain access but maybe he was let in the first part and came in when a coach was leaving or followed someone in. Who knows, he could've been acting completely rational and someone let him in to watch and wait for practice to end before he actually snapped.

Outsiders guess:

Tim is kicked out and told never to come back. Tim tells Jeronne to come with him with and Buzz said he would be kicked off the team if he left with his dad. Thus he was kicked off and quit at the same time.

Otherwise to kick him off the team because of his dad only doesn't make sense. Just ban his dad. Only other explanation would be Buzz would be looking to get an additional Schollie since it didnt work out. But that seems too much of a stretch.

[mufansince72]

Tim Maymon can

Good one!  

[77champs]

There are enough people at the AL with the code including managers that would let an insisting Tim M into the carded area so it likely could be done.   Knock on the locker room door and manager or trainer answer etc and u are essentially in.

If Buzz did essentially kick him off the team and would not let him back despite his calls then  it reflects very badly on the him and the program including the AD who supported it.   If he set ground rules for Tim and he violated then it is a different story.

In any event if the player was willing to separate himself from his Dad and wanted back and Buzz would not do that, then it reflects badly on the coach.   I think if this is true and Buzz would not take him back then this will be a larger ongoing distraction for the players (who know the truth) than having to deal with Tim who could and should be dealt with strategically to have him back down.

If this is true and now Maymon is pissed and the like then this will have some degree of impact on what is on VanderBlue's mind and could be the beginning of a bad run for the program.  

I hope this is not true and assuming  it is not, that the rumor's are squelched before the entire program is tainted by it.