NFC North Intelligent, Civilized Discussion 09/10 season

[NavinRJohnson]

Packers - 28
Vikings - 20

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I would hope so.

I'm no journalist, but isnt breaking news supposed to be confirmed by 2 sources?


Hopefully karma comes back around this Sunday, from 3:15 PM until 6:30 PM

Isn't the AP at fault then as well? They just put the Vikes release out on the wire without confirming it (twice).

"The Associated Press took the information from the Vikings site and did a write-up that made it to Yahoo News. The AP reported that Thomas died early Wednesday at the age of 37. The report said the Vikings had already planned a moment of silence of Thomas during their next home game Nov. 15. "

Either way, I would say the school, the Vikings and the AP are all equally at fault, but realistically I can see how this happens, especially in the modern media where speed of information is everything.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Packers - 28
Vikings - 20

I would take the over on that.

The Vikes can't stop Rodgers and I don't know if the Pack can slow down the Vikes (although without Berrian, it will be easier).

Pack 38
Vikes 33

[MU B2002]

(although without Berrian, it will be easier).

What is wrong with B Twice?

MN 24 GB 23.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

What is wrong with B Twice?

MN 24 GB 23.

Hamstring.

Although, I just looked again, and he did practice yesterday, so hopefully he can play.

Harvin is still dinged up, but I have a feeling he's going to be that way for the rest of the year and will just have to play through it.

Berrian, Rice and Harvin are not hall of famers, but have turned into a decent receiving corps if they can stay healthy.

[mu_hilltopper]

I would hope so.

I'm no journalist, but isnt breaking news supposed to be confirmed by 2 sources?


Hopefully karma comes back around this Sunday, from 3:15 PM until 6:30 PM

A death notice for Michael Jackson double sourced, yeah, probably.  A death notice for some random football guy double sourced?  Highly unlikely.

Uh, and the Vikings are journalists?  

[GOMU1104]

A death notice for Michael Jackson double sourced, yeah, probably.  A death notice for some random football guy double sourced?  Highly unlikely.

Uh, and the Vikings are journalists?  

When they release statements, that will be taken as fact by media outlets around the country, they should be sure their information is 100% true.

If you are going to issue a statement that a former player has died, from complications from ALS...youd better be 100% sure he has actually passed away.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

When they release statements, that will be taken as fact by media outlets around the country, they should be sure their information is 100% true.

If you are going to issue a statement that a former player has died, from complications from ALS...youd better be 100% sure he has actually passed away.

Yea, but by that logic, isn't the school to blame? They are the ones who contacted the Vikings and said he died. Why are the Vikings expected to double check sources if the school and/or AP doesn't?

I'm certainly not saying the team isn't responsible, but I don't think they are solely responsible. It looks like there was a rush to get the information out, and nobody thought to stop and confirm before they went to print internet.

If MU called the Cleveland Cavs to tell them that Jim Chones passed away, when he hadn't, I'd blame MU as much as I'd blame the Cavs for releasing the information.

[mu_hilltopper]

Yea, but by that logic, isn't the school to blame? They are the ones who contacted the Vikings and said he died. Why are the Vikings expected to double check sources if the school and/or AP doesn't?

Bingo.

[MU B2002]

Bingo.

Whew!  Glad we cleared that up. 

[Dish]

Hamstring.

Although, I just looked again, and he did practice yesterday, so hopefully he can play.

Harvin is still dinged up, but I have a feeling he's going to be that way for the rest of the year and will just have to play through it.

Berrian, Rice and Harvin are not hall of famers, but have turned into a decent receiving corps if they can stay healthy.

As a Vikings fan, are you happy with Berrian so far? His bonus money sku's this, but last year he was the 12th highest paid player in the league (not 12th highest paid receiver, but 12th highest paid player overall).

Just wondering if he is justifying the ungodly amount of money the Vikes paid him.

[MU B2002]

So are you saying he makes to much money for a guy that has not been to a pro bowl?  (at least not that I can remember)

I was sad to see him leave Chicago, but for the amount of money he was wanting on his new deal it didn't make any sense.

[Jay Bee]

I would hope so.

I'm no journalist, but isnt breaking news supposed to be confirmed by 2 sources?


Hopefully karma comes back around this Sunday, from 3:15 PM until 6:30 PM

  You're right.  Vikings.com should have waited to see a death certificate.

  Big game.  Some folks here are saying they think the division is done if the Consensus Vikings win - anyone agree?  I think it's still too early.  Obviously it would put us in a great position, but I wouldn't claim the title quite yet. 
   We did well with Winfield out last weekend against a great QB, but I'm afraid Erin has had time to breakdown what we did and may have a great day (except for getting sacked 5 to 8 times) in terms of yardage.  Really hoping AD can have a big afternoon.

SKOL VIKINGS!  Vikings 27, Green Bey 21

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

As a Vikings fan, are you happy with Berrian so far? His bonus money sku's this, but last year he was the 12th highest paid player in the league (not 12th highest paid receiver, but 12th highest paid player overall).

Just wondering if he is justifying the ungodly amount of money the Vikes paid him.

I like him as a player. He's productive on the field, and seems like a pretty thoughtful guy when interviewed.

He is certainly overpaid, but like most sports (up until last year) teams had to overpay to get free agents.

So, while I think he is technically "overpaid", I also know that most free agents are, so I'm fine with his current salary vs performance ratio.

[Moonboots]

This game will more than likely determine the direction of the division for the rest of season.  Will the Vikes take control of the driver's seat, or will the Packers bring it back to tied (barring a setback at TB) with 8 to play?  Oh, and there's the Favre story, too.  It's going to be a fun weekend.

What's the word on Winfield?  I thought he was out at least a month, but some of the GB Newspapers are saying that he's questionable and the reports about him being out for a long period of time are erroneous.

* The Vikings listed Favre as a limited participant in practice with a hip problem, but that's the least of their injury issues. Three starters -- CB Antoine Winfield (right foot), WR Bernard Berrian (left hamstring) and MLB E.J. Henderson (knee) -- missed practice, and Winfield and Berrian both appear questionable at best for Sunday.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml


I thought Winfield wasn't even a consideration at this point.  Having Paymah in the lineup over him is a huge advantage to Green Bay.  He's the one scary player in that secondary.

[Hards Alumni]

  You're right.  Vikings.com should have waited to see a death certificate.

  Big game.  Some folks here are saying they think the division is done if the Consensus Vikings win - anyone agree?  I think it's still too early.  Obviously it would put us in a great position, but I wouldn't claim the title quite yet. 
   We did well with Winfield out last weekend against a great QB, but I'm afraid Erin has had time to breakdown what we did and may have a great day (except for getting sacked 5 to 8 times) in terms of yardage.  Really hoping AD can have a big afternoon.

SKOL VIKINGS!  Vikings 27, Green Bey 21

If the Vikes win I think they take the division... unless they have a key injury or two.

[Hards Alumni]

This game will more than likely determine the direction of the division for the rest of season.  Will the Vikes take control of the driver's seat, or will the Packers bring it back to tied (barring a setback at TB) with 8 to play?  Oh, and there's the Favre story, too.  It's going to be a fun weekend.

What's the word on Winfield?  I thought he was out at least a month, but some of the GB Newspapers are saying that he's questionable and the reports about him being out for a long period of time are erroneous.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml


I thought Winfield wasn't even a consideration at this point.  Having Paymah in the lineup over him is a huge advantage to Green Bay.  He's the one scary player in that secondary.

If Winfield comes back for this game, he will look like a hero...

Whether or not that is by design, I will allow you to decide on your own

[wadesworld]

  Big game.  Some folks here are saying they think the division is done if the Consensus Vikings win - anyone agree?  I think it's still too early.  Obviously it would put us in a great position, but I wouldn't claim the title quite yet. 
   We did well with Winfield out last weekend against a great QB, but I'm afraid Erin has had time to breakdown what we did and may have a great day (except for getting sacked 5 to 8 times) in terms of yardage.  Really hoping AD can have a big afternoon.

I don't think it would be completely over, but it would be VERY tough for the Bears or the Packers to come back, especially the Packers.  The Vikings would have essentially a 3 game lead on the Packers.  I do think that the Packers realistically could win all 5 of their games following the Minnesota game, with the toughest being the Ravens (which will be very tough, but it's a home game - other games are at Buccaneers, Cowboys - will be tough but at home - 49ers, and at Lions).  I think we lose 3 of the last 4 at Bears, at Steelers, and at Cardinals and beat the Seahawks at home.  So somehow pulling off 6 straight (well 8 in a row including the last 2 wins) looks very important.

I think the Bears only real chance is to beat the Packers at home (which I think they should but who knows), and then to beat Minnesota both times they play, which I don't think will happen.  The Bears have a pretty darn tough schedule left.  Gimme games with the Rams, Browns, and at Lions, but their other remaining games are pretty tough.  Arizona at home (should win at home but Arizona is looking good), at San Francisco (tough on the road but not looking as good as earlier this season), Philli at home, at Vikings, vs. Packers, at Ravens, and vs. Vikings.  Those are some tough games.

Minnesota has some tough games left but not as many as the Bears, and with a (essentially) 3 game lead on the Packers I wouldn't expect them to lose that lead on them.  Detroit, Seattle, and at Carolina seem like gimme games.  Chicago at home should be a win, Cinci at home should be a win but they're strong, at Arizona is tough, at Chicago is tough, and New York is tough but at home.

Essentially I think the Packers have the easiest schedule remaining but if we lose to the Vikings that'd be tough to come back from.  The Bears appear to have the toughest schedule left but if they can take both of their games against the Vikings then they are obviously in a pretty good spot.

Let's go Pack!

[Hards Alumni]

cincy is not a win for the vikes later in the year, Palmer should be able to put up big numbers that game.

[wadesworld]

cincy is not a win for the vikes later in the year, Palmer should be able to put up big numbers that game.

I hope so but it's a home game and I almost expect Palmer to get hurt at some point in this season, so he may not even be playing.  I also expect Adrian Peterson to get hurt at some point this season.  He runs too hard to go this long without an injury and he was so injury-prone in college.

[Hards Alumni]

I hope so but it's a home game and I almost expect Palmer to get hurt at some point in this season, so he may not even be playing.  I also expect Adrian Peterson to get hurt at some point this season.  He runs too hard to go this long without an injury and he was so injury-prone in college.

I was unaware I was dealing with such a talented clairvoyant.

[MU B2002]

I hope so but it's a home game and I almost expect Palmer to get hurt at some point in this season, so he may not even be playing.  I also expect Adrian Peterson to get hurt at some point this season.  He runs too hard to go this long without an injury and he was so injury-prone in college.

Injury-prone.  I hate that expression.
He missed a handful of games in college, most of which were his jr season due to his flip.  He has missed 2 games so far out of 39 possible, so I don't quite get the injury prone thing.

I expect A Rodg to get hurt at some point since it has been so long since he has been hurt and since his O-Line can't keep his jersey clean.

I would argue Favre is injury prone, but it hasn't kept him out of any games, so what does it matter?

[Dish]

I don't think it would be completely over, but it would be VERY tough for the Bears or the Packers to come back, especially the Packers.  The Vikings would have essentially a 3 game lead on the Packers.  I do think that the Packers realistically could win all 5 of their games following the Minnesota game, with the toughest being the Ravens (which will be very tough, but it's a home game - other games are at Buccaneers, Cowboys - will be tough but at home - 49ers, and at Lions).  I think we lose 3 of the last 4 at Bears, at Steelers, and at Cardinals and beat the Seahawks at home.  So somehow pulling off 6 straight (well 8 in a row including the last 2 wins) looks very important.

I think the Bears only real chance is to beat the Packers at home (which I think they should but who knows), and then to beat Minnesota both times they play, which I don't think will happen.  The Bears have a pretty darn tough schedule left.  Gimme games with the Rams, Browns, and at Lions, but their other remaining games are pretty tough.  Arizona at home (should win at home but Arizona is looking good), at San Francisco (tough on the road but not looking as good as earlier this season), Philli at home, at Vikings, vs. Packers, at Ravens, and vs. Vikings.  Those are some tough games.

Minnesota has some tough games left but not as many as the Bears, and with a (essentially) 3 game lead on the Packers I wouldn't expect them to lose that lead on them.  Detroit, Seattle, and at Carolina seem like gimme games.  Chicago at home should be a win, Cinci at home should be a win but they're strong, at Arizona is tough, at Chicago is tough, and New York is tough but at home.

Essentially I think the Packers have the easiest schedule remaining but if we lose to the Vikings that'd be tough to come back from.  The Bears appear to have the toughest schedule left but if they can take both of their games against the Vikings then they are obviously in a pretty good spot.

Let's go Pack!

I'm a Bears fan, and you have much more confidence in the Bears than I do. Only thing going in the Bears favor is the amount of home games they have remaining.

Bears problems all start up front. As I've stated on here before, Tommie Harris isn't long to be a Bear or NFL player much longer. His position in the Tampa 2 is the most important clog on the field. The injury to Urlacher hurt, but to me losing Tinoisamoa really hurt them a ton. Not that Pisa set the world on fire, but it really challenged their depth. Don't even get me started on their safetys.

Offensively, the Pace/Omiyale signins clearly are not working out. Omiyale has been replaced by Beekman this week (about 3 weeks too late). Everyone assumed their receiver play would be poor and the glaring hole on offense, but to the contrary, they've been a plus. It's hard to get a running game going when defenders are two yards into the backfield before the handoff takes place. I'd rather have the Packers o-line to be honest.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I don't think the bears are out of it, but they'd have to get on a huge roll to make something happen.

Their defense is 2 years past its prime, and while the offense is decent, it's not good enough to score a ton of points to win tough road games.


The Packers are definitely in the hunt with a win on Sunday. With a loss, the division race isn't over, but really they'd have to hope for a Viking collapse (has happened before).

The Vikes could take control with a win. With a loss and with the way the schedule sets up, the Vikes will have fight with the Packers all year.

The real spoiler in all of this is probably Detroit. They will probably go 1-5 or 2-4 in the division. The question is: who do they beat?

If the Packers sweep detroit, and MN goes 1-1, that could swing the division. Be on the look out for spoilers.

[wadesworld]

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/126390-vikings-coach-dressed-in-drag?eref=sihp

That's cute.