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Title: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 17, 2021, 04:43:45 PM
Last season is now over and almost every team in our league is going through a major roster change. Once the musical chairs of players stops we can further access where  all the teams are going to be.

Most team have players in the NBA process which will take some time. The only school that seems pretty solid with their roster is Butler. Although they were one of the weaker teams in the league, so that may not mean much.

Villanova looks like they are bringing in a strong recruiting class.

 
 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Nukem2 on April 17, 2021, 04:52:29 PM
Nova also getting Colin Gillespie and Jermaine Samuels back for their 5th season!
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on April 17, 2021, 07:09:26 PM
Looking forward to going 3-0 vs. Nova next season.

4-0 if we face 'em in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 17, 2021, 07:17:04 PM
Nova also getting Colin Gillespie and Jermaine Samuels back for their 5th season!
The Hall looks like it has picked up some nice pieces in the transfer portal. Kadary Richmond from Syracuse and Jamir Harris from American University.

Myles Cale, Rhoden, Obiagu all return.

https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2021/04/seton-hall-lands-syracuse-transfer-kadary-richmond-as-the-re-load-continues.html
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2021, 07:44:16 PM
The Hall looks like it has picked up some nice pieces in the transfer portal. Kadary Richmond from Syracuse and Jamir Harris from American University.

Myles Cale, Rhoden, Obiagu all return.

https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2021/04/seton-hall-lands-syracuse-transfer-kadary-richmond-as-the-re-load-continues.html

Seton Hall sucks
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Johnny B on April 17, 2021, 07:48:22 PM
Seton Hall sucks
big east sucks next year
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2021, 07:53:48 PM
big east sucks next year

Thanks, Johnny
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Johnny B on April 17, 2021, 08:06:49 PM
Thanks, Johnny
ty freind
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on April 17, 2021, 08:19:52 PM
big east sucks next year

I'm not certain that's true. A lot of teams that were going to be decimated by graduations convinced their senior stars to come back for another season.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on April 17, 2021, 08:44:35 PM
I've been trying to keep track of which BEast seniors are back and which are gone. Anyone see any I missed?

Butler:
Aaron Thompson - Back
Jair Bolden - Back
Christian David - Back
Bryce Nze - Back

UConn:
Tyler Polley - Back
Isaiah Whaley - Back
Josh Carlton - Gone (Transferred)

Creighton:
Mitch Ballock - Gone
Alex O'Connell - Back
Damien Jefferson - Gone
Denzel Mahoney - Gone

DePaul:
Charlie Moore - Gone (Transferred)
Ray Salnave - Gone (Transferred)
Pauly Paulicap - Gone (Transferred)

Georgetown:
Jahvon Blair - ???
Jamorko Pickett - ???
Chudier Bile - ???

Marquette:
Koby McEwen - Gone (Transferred)
Jamal Cain - Gone (Transferred)
Theo John - Gone (Transferred)

Providence:
Noah Horchler - Back
Nate Watson - Back

Seton Hall:
Bryce Aiken - ???
Shavar Reynolds - Gone (Transferred)
Myles Cale - Back
Sandro Mamukelshvili - Gone

St. John's:
Rasheem Dunn - Gone (Transferred)
Arnaldo Toro - Gone

Villanova:
Collin Gillespie - Back
Jermaine Samuels Jr - Back
Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree - Back

Xavier:
Paul Scruggs - Back
Nate Johnson - Back
Jason Carter - Gone (Transferred)
Bryan Griffin - ???
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on April 17, 2021, 08:46:44 PM
So of the 35 scholarship seniors in the Big East season:
15 (44%) are back with their team
10 (29%) are back but transferred to a new team
5 (15%) haven't announced their intentions
3 (8%) are leaving McDermott's plantation
2 (6%) are moving on from college basketball without McDermott being the reason

Remember when everyone said that very few seniors wanted to stay for another year of college? COVID obviously played a role with limiting overseas opportunities but damn, I didn't expect this many to want to play another year.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 17, 2021, 08:55:42 PM
So of the 35 scholarship seniors in the Big East season:
15 (44%) are back with their team
10 (29%) are back but transferred to a new team
5 (15%) haven't announced their intentions
3 (8%) are leaving McDermott's plantation
2 (6%) are moving on from college basketball without McDermott being the reason

Remember when everyone said that very few seniors wanted to stay for another year of college? COVID obviously played a role with limiting overseas opportunities but damn, I didn't expect this many to want to play another year.
Thanks for putting together the analysis.

Big East should be relatively strong, figuring in all the underclassmen returning.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Johnny B on April 17, 2021, 09:26:17 PM
yeah tamu i hope its better than i think
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on April 17, 2021, 11:55:34 PM
So of the 35 scholarship seniors in the Big East season:
15 (44%) are back with their team
10 (29%) are back but transferred to a new team
5 (15%) haven't announced their intentions
3 (8%) are leaving McDermott's plantation
2 (6%) are moving on from college basketball without McDermott being the reason

Remember when everyone said that very few seniors wanted to stay for another year of college? COVID obviously played a role with limiting overseas opportunities but damn, I didn't expect this many to want to play another year.

You and me both, TAMU. Thanks for those stats.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 18, 2021, 05:59:57 PM
Some background on the Johnnies recent activity.  The Post does a nice job following the Johnnies in detail. They go into a lot of background on the Soriano transfer.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/17/st-johns-adds-rutgers-transfer-montez-mathis/

https://nypost.com/2021/04/15/st-johns-fills-biggest-need-with-fordham-transfer-joel-soriano/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: JWags85 on April 18, 2021, 06:17:39 PM
No Mamu and no Powell is gonna really hurt SHU’s hateability index.  Willard’s ability to close the gap on his own will be a true test of his coaching acumen.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Badgerhater on April 18, 2021, 06:31:00 PM
No Mamu and no Powell is gonna really hurt SHU’s hateability index.  Willard’s ability to close the gap on his own will be a true test of his coaching acumen.

Some teams rebuild and others reload. SHU reloads
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on April 18, 2021, 08:03:53 PM
No Mamu and no Powell is gonna really hurt SHU’s hateability index.  Willard’s ability to close the gap on his own will be a true test of his coaching acumen.

Been saying it since whitehead left for the draft, then Delgado, then Powell, now Mamu. It's time to accept Willards got his system in place.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on April 18, 2021, 08:35:16 PM
So of the 35 scholarship seniors in the Big East season:
15 (44%) are back with their team
10 (29%) are back but transferred to a new team
5 (15%) haven't announced their intentions
3 (8%) are leaving McDermott's plantation
2 (6%) are moving on from college basketball without McDermott being the reason

Remember when everyone said that very few seniors wanted to stay for another year of college? COVID obviously played a role with limiting overseas opportunities but damn, I didn't expect this many to want to play another year.
Yes—Covid seems to have limited a lot of players of this caliber to play overseas. With their options limited....looks like another year of in college.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 19, 2021, 08:53:27 AM
Article on Providence transfer Al Durham from Indiana

 http://friarbasketball.com/2021/04/14/digging-al-durham/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 20, 2021, 11:14:11 AM
In addition to the DePaul news of Charlie Moore transferring to Miami , the Blue Demons also lost Keon Edwards to Nebraska

https://247sports.com/college/nebraska/Article/Nebraska-basketball-Keon-Edwards-transfers-to-Nebraska-basketball-2021-recruiting-Nebraska-basketball-164305469/

The Blue Demons did pick up Tyon Foster-Grant transferring from  Kansas.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on April 20, 2021, 04:43:11 PM
One positive bit of news for Creighton. Per the article below, Looks like Mason Miller is going to sign his NLI.

Also Shereef Mitchell and Antawn Jones are still on the team and not in portal.   Remains to be seen if the two foreign players they signed, who both has ACL's before the season started, will be back.

https://omaha.com/sports/college/creighton/creighton-commit-mason-miller-getting-a-running-start-at-prep-for-first-season/article_2973d1b8-a0e1-11eb-8035-2ba0e8b8e128.html

Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: willie warrior on April 20, 2021, 04:52:07 PM
Last season is now over and almost every team in our league is going through a major roster change. Once the musical chairs of players stops we can further access where  all the teams are going to be.

Most team have players in the NBA process which will take some time. The only school that seems pretty solid with their roster is Butler. Although they were one of the weaker teams in the league, so that may not mean much.

Villanova looks like they are bringing in a strong recruiting class.
Nothing new to see at Villanova.  The cream of BEast
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on April 22, 2021, 11:48:02 PM
Associated Press
NEW YORK -- Guard Montez Mathis has transferred to St. John's after three seasons at Rutgers.
Not the best shooter 38% from 2 29% from 3 and 57% from the line
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 03, 2021, 10:21:04 AM
Creighton hired two assistants. This may help energize their  recruiting.

https://gocreighton.com/news/2021/4/26/mens-basketball-ryan-miller-and-jalen-courtney-williams-hired-as-mens-basketball-assistant-coaches.aspx

Also 6-9 Mason Miller signed his NLI. So the Blue Jays have three in their 2021 recruiting class

https://gocreighton.com/news/2021/4/21/mason-miller-signs-with-mens-basketball-program.aspx

Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on May 03, 2021, 10:23:44 AM
Creighton hired two assistants. This may help energize their  recruiting.

https://gocreighton.com/news/2021/4/26/mens-basketball-ryan-miller-and-jalen-courtney-williams-hired-as-mens-basketball-assistant-coaches.aspx

Also 6-9 Mason Miller signed his NLI. So the Blue Jays have three in their 2021 recruiting class

https://gocreighton.com/news/2021/4/21/mason-miller-signs-with-mens-basketball-program.aspx

For a second I thought they used a Porter Moser picture for Ryan Miller.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 03, 2021, 10:24:01 AM
Butler signs Ty Groce out of The Portal. Gives them some more experience. MU had some interest on Ty

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2021/04/23/eastern-michigan-basketball-ty-groce-butler/7354785002/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 03, 2021, 05:34:09 PM
Former Xavier and Louisville assistant coach Luke Murray has joined the UConn staff
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 03, 2021, 06:47:00 PM
Former Xavier and Louisville assistant coach Luke Murray has joined the UConn staff
Good pick up by U -Conn
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on May 04, 2021, 11:05:31 AM
Former Xavier and Louisville assistant coach Luke Murray has joined the UConn staff

Good to get Bill back in the Big East. This should help recruiting.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 04, 2021, 01:38:09 PM
Creighton picks up a DII star out of the portal, 6-7 Ryan Hawkins. 

https://gocreighton.com/news/2021/5/4/three-time-national-champion-ryan-hawkins-joins-mens-basketball.aspx

 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 06, 2021, 05:26:04 PM
Butler adds a well respected assistant.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2021/04/26/butler-basketball-evansville-native-david-ragland-joins-butler-staff/7384331002/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on May 06, 2021, 08:06:19 PM
Per Goodman Tweet St John’s transfer Vince Cole announced he is headed to Coastal Carolina.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: kclem on May 07, 2021, 09:45:41 AM
Here are the current team rankings for the 2021 recruiting season. First number is per 247 and second number is per Rivals

U Conn          11   18
Georgetown   13    8
MU                15   16
Villanova        17   11
Creighton       22   33
Seton Hall      28   29
DePaul           51   48
Xavier            52   61
Butler            59   65
St. John's       62   65
Providence     64   71

It looks to me like we have pretty good quality with the freshmen coming into the conference.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: BCHoopster on May 07, 2021, 09:53:01 AM
Here are the current team rankings for the 2021 recruiting season. First number is per 247 and second number is per Rivals

U Conn          11   18
Georgetown   13    8
MU                15   16
Villanova        17   11
Creighton       22   33
Seton Hall      28   29
DePaul           51   48
Xavier            52   61
Butler            59   65
St. John's       62   65
Providence     64   71

It looks to me like we have pretty good quality with the freshmen coming into the conference.

Add in the 3 transfers, as 2 will be freshman again, thats a pretty good group of recruits. 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 07, 2021, 03:12:15 PM
Here are the current team rankings for the 2021 recruiting season. First number is per 247 and second number is per Rivals

U Conn          11   18
Georgetown   13    8
MU                15   16
Villanova        17   11
Creighton       22   33
Seton Hall      28   29
DePaul           51   48
Xavier            52   61
Butler            59   65
St. John's       62   65
Providence     64   71

It looks to me like we have pretty good quality with the freshmen coming into the conference.
I am very bullish on what the MU freshman prospects bring to the program. Can't wait to see them  playing together.

 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 14, 2021, 05:17:59 PM
Mike Anderson gets a 6-year contract extension after all of his accomplishments at St. John’s.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 14, 2021, 05:31:36 PM
Mike Anderson gets a 6-year contract extension after all of his accomplishments at St. John’s.
Smart Move for The Johnnies. Hard for them to find qualified coaches.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on May 14, 2021, 08:27:15 PM
Smart Move for The Johnnies. Hard for them to find qualified coaches.

I actually agree, but it also shows how contract extensions work in college sports.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on May 16, 2021, 12:51:40 PM
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/1393965244997832704?s=21

Per Adam Zagoria Tweet On Val Ackerman
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: milwaukee ex-pat on May 16, 2021, 08:17:17 PM
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1394032557084319745

McDermott showing a lot of resilience.  Good for Creighton.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 16, 2021, 09:35:52 PM
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1394032557084319745

McDermott showing a lot of resilience.  Good for Creighton.
McDermott had momentum building at Creighton because he has a system that players enjoy . The way they move the ball and push the pace allows for multiple players to have success at any given time. Which partially explains the talent heading their way.

The faux pas that McDermott made obviously took a little wind out of the programs sails . However , I think once they line up several new quality recruits they will recover that momentum. Signing this latest recruit gives the Blue Jays a good quality group of prospects in 2021.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: BLM on May 16, 2021, 10:47:18 PM
McDermott had momentum building at Creighton because had a system that players enjoy . The way they move the ball and push the pace allows for multiple players to have success at any given time. Which partially explains the talent heading their way.

The faux pas that McDermott made obviously took a little wind out of the programs sails . However , I think once they line up several new quality recruits they will recover that momentum. Signing this latest recruit gives the Blue Jays a good quality group of prospects in 2021.

Everyone has a price.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on May 18, 2021, 01:22:14 PM
Top 100 CG decommits from PC.

https://twitter.com/Jaydenepps_/status/1394668191440384003/photo/1
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 18, 2021, 04:55:41 PM
Top 100 CG decommits from PC.

https://twitter.com/Jaydenepps_/status/1394668191440384003/photo/1
Cooley must have cooled on him...
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on May 25, 2021, 08:47:45 PM
Seems like Creighton was able to put together a 2021 class with some good prospects.
 
https://247sports.com/college/creighton/Season/2021-Basketball/Commits/

I wonder if any of their players who are exploring professional options will return.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on May 27, 2021, 02:48:22 AM
Seems like Creighton was able to put together a 2021 class with some good prospects.
 
https://247sports.com/college/creighton/Season/2021-Basketball/Commits/

I wonder if any of their players who are exploring professional options will return.

https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1397746535073521665?s=21

Plus Adding KeyShawn Feazell
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: willie warrior on May 27, 2021, 12:51:03 PM
Seems like Creighton was able to put together a 2021 class with some good prospects.
 
https://247sports.com/college/creighton/Season/2021-Basketball/Commits/

I wonder if any of their players who are exploring professional options will return.
Can't believe these guys are cool with playing on the plantation
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 02, 2021, 04:58:50 PM
Seems like Creighton was able to put together a 2021 class with some good prospects.
 
https://247sports.com/college/creighton/Season/2021-Basketball/Commits/

I wonder if any of their players who are exploring professional options will return.

and now adding a top 50 former Auburn commit, Trey Alexander.

So much for the "better send McDermott packing, no kid will want to play for him now" crowd.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: willie warrior on June 02, 2021, 05:27:04 PM
and now adding a top 50 former Auburn commit, Trey Alexander.

So much for the "better send McDermott packing, no kid will want to play for him now" crowd.
Let's see, was Uncle in that crowd?
Looks like the Plantation overseen by McDermott will still be viable
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: jfp61 on June 02, 2021, 07:12:38 PM
At Creighton the only people who quit on McDermott were the assistant coaches, and with one of them it was because they were disappointed they werent able to become an interim coach
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 02, 2021, 07:26:24 PM
Players enjoy playing in McDermotts offense . Everyone gets their shots , so not surprised the Blue Jays were able to have such a solid recruiting class.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on June 03, 2021, 10:02:01 AM
Having your entire starting lineup desperate to leave the building makes it a touch easier to recruit.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 04, 2021, 05:38:29 PM
Let's see, was Uncle in that crowd?
Looks like the Plantation overseen by McDermott will still be viable

I like McDermott and think he made a silly mistake.  I also want him to stay at Creighton since Marquette is 8-6 against them in the last 14 games.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on June 04, 2021, 06:53:10 PM
I like McDermott and think he made a silly mistake.  I also want him to stay at Creighton since Marquette is 8-6 against them in the last 14 games.

Yep. He couldn't even beat The Worst Coach In Basketball History consistently. Glad he's still in the league.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on June 09, 2021, 11:25:56 AM
Penn freshman Matteus Case is headed to Providence. #providence #friars

https://twitter.com/portal_updates/status/1402396562077143041?s=21
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 09, 2021, 11:48:30 AM
Interesting prospect for the Friars . Penn did not play last season.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on June 09, 2021, 12:26:05 PM
Penn did not play last season.

But what about Teller?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on June 09, 2021, 12:42:45 PM
But what about Teller?

All's been quiet with Teller.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on June 09, 2021, 12:51:43 PM
All's been quiet with Teller.

He's a big trash-mimer.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: milwaukee ex-pat on June 09, 2021, 12:59:41 PM
Providence was competition for Morsel I believe - could be good news for MU on that front...
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 09, 2021, 01:03:13 PM
But what about Teller?

is that a NAIA school?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 09, 2021, 01:11:20 PM
I know the commitment was announced a while back, now Creighton signing of Trey Alexander is official.

https://gocreighton.com/news/2021/6/7/mens-basketball-trey-alexander-signs-with-mens-basketball.aspx

Also Antwann Jones moves down to a lower level of D1 going to Louisiana Ragin Cajuns

https://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/ul/2021/06/08/former-memphis-creighton-basketball-guard-antwann-jones-commits-louisiana-ragin-cajuns/7602885002/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on June 09, 2021, 01:22:57 PM
Providence was competition for Morsel I believe - could be good news for MU on that front...

I'm not certain that Matteus Case is going to be a scholarship player for Providence. All I know about him is that he hasn't played any college ball yet and his best offers coming out of high school were Penn and Drake. At least on paper, I don't think Morsell would be intimidated by him.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 09, 2021, 01:25:03 PM
I'm not certain that Matteus Case is going to be a scholarship player for Providence. All I know about him is that he hasn't played any college ball yet and his best offers coming out of high school were Penn and Drake. At least on paper, I don't think Morsell would be intimidated by him.
I agree with you on this. Case is a prospect that Cooley will be looking to develop.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 12, 2021, 08:44:54 AM
Will be a good experience for Creighton's Big Man

https://gocreighton.com/news/2021/6/3/mens-basketball-kalkbrenner-invited-to-usa-basketball-mens-u19-world-cup-team-trials.aspx
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 24, 2021, 07:51:12 AM


https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2021/06/17/butler-basketball-jakobe-coles-enters-transfer-portal/7740344002/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on June 24, 2021, 11:44:44 PM
https://twitter.com/jonrothstein/status/1408093091798700036?s=21

Seton Hall's Kevin Willard has promoted assistant Grant Billmeier to Associate Head Coach, per release. Has been an invaluable member of the Pirates' program.

Wagner's Donald Copeland is also joining the staff as an assistant.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 25, 2021, 02:41:07 PM
Creighton Ryan Kalkbrenner named to U-19 team . Should  be a valuable experience for him. Others on team include Jonny Davis from the Badgers Patrick Baldwin Jr and Chet Holmgren

https://gocreighton.com/news/2021/6/25/mens-basketball-kalkbrenner-named-to-2021-usa-basketball-mens-u19-world-cup-team.aspx
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 25, 2021, 03:10:49 PM
O-Max on Canadian U-19 team.

Ryan Nembhard , Creighton commit also also on the squad
https://mobile.twitter.com/wesblairbrown/status/1408447065508679681
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on June 26, 2021, 04:12:22 PM
St John’s playing Kansas at Islanders new arena
https://nypost.com/2021/06/01/st-johns-to-host-powerhouse-kansas-at-ubs-arena/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on July 01, 2021, 02:52:53 PM
Markese Jacobs transferring from DePaul
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 01, 2021, 05:18:10 PM
Markese Jacobs transferring from DePaul
I think he never overcame his injuries
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 03, 2021, 01:57:57 PM
St John’s with a nice pick up today. Averaged 15 ppg for Hofstra last season.

https://www.zagsblog.com/2021/07/03/st-johns-adds-hofstra-transfer-tareq-coburn-who-will-pursue-degree-as-a-physician-assistant/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=st-johns-adds-hofstra-transfer-tareq-coburn-who-will-pursue-degree-as-a-physician-assistant
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 03, 2021, 02:03:03 PM
St John’s with a nice pick up today. Averaged 15 ppg for Hofstra last season.

https://www.zagsblog.com/2021/07/03/st-johns-adds-hofstra-transfer-tareq-coburn-who-will-pursue-degree-as-a-physician-assistant/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=st-johns-adds-hofstra-transfer-tareq-coburn-who-will-pursue-degree-as-a-physician-assistant
Sounds like a very bright young man with a great future.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 03, 2021, 08:37:55 PM
Four star center Donovan Clingan commits to UConn men’s basketball
The Huskies keep the top talent in Connecticut for the Class of 2022 in state.

By Dan Madigan on July 2, 2021 8:16 pm

https://www.theuconnblog.com/platform/amp/2021/7/2/22555679/four-star-center-bristol-central-donovan-clingan-commits-to-uconn-huskies-mens-basketball-2022
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Pakuni on July 04, 2021, 08:32:26 PM
Julian Champagnie is returning to St. John's.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 04, 2021, 10:16:53 PM
Julian Champagnie is returning to St. John's.
Good news for The Big East.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 04, 2021, 11:59:53 PM
Julian Champagnie is returning to St. John's.

Johnnies are a tourney team.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 11, 2021, 07:05:04 PM
Creighton is the only Big East school in Kevin Obanor final 10. I could see where the Creighton system would appeal to a player like him  who is a 3 point specialist.

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Top-transfer-Kevin-Obanor-drops-final-10-schools-Maryland-basketball-Florida-Gators-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-167640953/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 13, 2021, 09:35:36 PM
Creighton is the only Big East school in Kevin Obanor final 10. I could see where the Creighton system would appeal to a player like him  who is a 3 point specialist.

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Top-transfer-Kevin-Obanor-drops-final-10-schools-Maryland-basketball-Florida-Gators-Alabama-Crimson-Tide-167640953/
Obanor down to 4 Creighton not in final mix

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/oral-roberts-transfer-forward-kevin-obanor-names-2-sec-schools-in-top-4/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Knight Commission on July 14, 2021, 06:22:49 PM
Note the BMW in Xs latest signing.   5th highest rated in School history according to 24/7.   I have theory as to why it’s pictured DM me.  Why the NIKE boxes?  Hoping we have some Jumpman boxes in ours.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2021, 08:46:57 PM
Well, this is something

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2021/07/14/seton-hall-basketball-myles-powell-sues-injury-kevin-willard/7973515002/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on July 15, 2021, 07:35:53 AM
Gold digger. Once a jerk, always a jerk.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on July 15, 2021, 07:49:18 AM
If Seton Hall covered up an injury, that's definitely bad. But the idea that it was the difference between Powell being a lottery pick and going undrafted is ludicrous. He was a productive college player, but too inefficient, too small, and too unathletic for the NBA, especially without any proven pro level skills.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Hards_Alumni on July 15, 2021, 07:50:31 AM
Well, this is something

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2021/07/14/seton-hall-basketball-myles-powell-sues-injury-kevin-willard/7973515002/

Tough situation.  Myles feels that the care he was given was predatory.  And if his statements are accurate, they were.  Now, did that injury impact his chances at getting drafted and/or having an NBA career that lasted more than a few weeks?  Probably not, but he could make the case that he was negatively impacted.

However this case resolves, I hope that players take into account that the schools that they play for don't always have their best interest in mind.  SHU should have suggested that Myles get a second opinion regarding his injury if he felt that the injury was more serious than he was being told.  And the school should foot the bill for that examination.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Scoop Snoop on July 15, 2021, 09:05:37 AM
 Since I have no medical training, I have no idea regarding how the injury should have been treated. I have had injections in my knee and, hoping that a nurse practitioner could administer the injection (avoiding the need to set up an appointment with my physician) was informed that only my physician could administer this particular injection. Its very possible that this is a Virginia restriction rather than a national one.

If Testa is really not a MD, it seems strange that Powell's law firm did not do their homework and its also strange that Testa apparently was acting as a physician.

Too many unanswered questions here. Things simply do not add up. We need to let this play out. 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: bilsu on July 15, 2021, 11:48:37 AM
Given Powell's level of play as a senior, I find it hard to believe he had a serious injury. Seems to me he is just trying to find someone to blame for him not making the NBA. There are plenty of very good college players that never get drafted.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 15, 2021, 04:55:18 PM
Note the BMW in Xs latest signing.   5th highest rated in School history according to 24/7.   I have theory as to why it’s pictured DM me.  Why the NIKE boxes?  Hoping we have some Jumpman boxes in ours.

NIL paying off already for X.

One of my players dates a USC FB player. He told her a couple guys on the team have been given Teslas to "endorse" the local dealership.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Shooter McGavin on July 15, 2021, 08:33:15 PM
NIL paying off already for X.

One of my players dates a USC FB player. He told her a couple guys on the team have been given Teslas to "endorse" the local dealership.

Any concrete sponsorships for MU basketball players?  Hell, any rumors of sponsorships?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Scoop Snoop on July 15, 2021, 10:32:08 PM
Any concrete sponsorships for MU basketball players?  Hell, any rumors of sponsorships?

No rumors, but maybe Harley Davidson would be interested.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: willie warrior on July 16, 2021, 10:35:50 AM
No rumors, but maybe Harley Davidson would be interested.
How about a Milwaukee brewing company? That would be a ringing endorsement that ncaa would surely approve of
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on July 30, 2021, 07:40:30 AM
An analysis of each Big East teams off season
https://georgetownvoice.com/2021/07/26/big-changes-in-the-big-east/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MuggsyB on July 30, 2021, 08:10:42 AM
An analysis of each Big East teams off season
https://georgetownvoice.com/2021/07/26/big-changes-in-the-big-east/

Ouch.

I think we will be okay Herman.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: tower912 on July 30, 2021, 08:32:09 AM
Eventually.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on July 30, 2021, 09:02:26 AM
An analysis of each Big East teams off season
https://georgetownvoice.com/2021/07/26/big-changes-in-the-big-east/

I think that's a fair assessment.

If you look around at some of the Big East blogs, we're mostly being picked in the bottom 2 or 3. I even saw one where we were picked dead last.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: fjm on July 30, 2021, 11:16:23 AM
I think that's a fair assessment.

If you look around at some of the Big East blogs, we're mostly being picked in the bottom 2 or 3. I even saw one where we were picked dead last.

If there is a year to get last place, then this is the year. Wrap up the first overall pick for next year. Start 2022 strong!
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 30, 2021, 12:38:15 PM
How about a Milwaukee brewing company? That would be a ringing endorsement that ncaa would surely approve of

it's not the NCAA, it's institutional right now.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 01, 2021, 07:19:16 PM
Looks like Creighton has opted for a less challenging Non Conference than in years past. 

https://gocreighton.com/news/2021/7/29/mens-basketball-announces-non-conference-schedule.aspx
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on August 04, 2021, 10:31:26 AM
Villanova & UCLA signed a H/H. Wildcats will be at UCLA on Friday, Nov. 12th.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 04, 2021, 11:21:25 AM
Villanova & UCLA signed a H/H. Wildcats will be at UCLA on Friday, Nov. 12th.

So UCLA is a partial member of the Big East since they are playing MU as well.

Villanova game should be good visibility for the league also.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 04, 2021, 12:30:35 PM
Looks like Creighton has opted for a less challenging Non Conference than in years past. 

https://gocreighton.com/news/2021/7/29/mens-basketball-announces-non-conference-schedule.aspx

still a decent schedule. Not too challenging but full of buy games either. Need to rack up wins in the non-conference with as strong as the BE is and how young CU is. Big Ten, Pac-12 (possibly 2), Big 12, BYU, maybe the Fightin' Wardles.

St John's should rack up some wins in theirs, leaving NYC once...for Long Island.

https://redstormsports.com/documents/2021/7/28/2021_22_St_John_s_MBB_Schedule_072821_FINAL.pdf
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 04, 2021, 01:35:57 PM
still a decent schedule. Not too challenging but full of buy games either. Need to rack up wins in the non-conference with as strong as the BE is and how young CU is. Big Ten, Pac-12 (possibly 2), Big 12, BYU, maybe the Fightin' Wardles.

St John's should rack up some wins in theirs, leaving NYC once...for Long Island.

https://redstormsports.com/documents/2021/7/28/2021_22_St_John_s_MBB_Schedule_072821_FINAL.pdf
I like the Johnny Schedule. Big East needs to be racking up wins.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on August 04, 2021, 01:44:15 PM
St John's should rack up some wins in theirs, leaving NYC once...for Long Island.

https://redstormsports.com/documents/2021/7/28/2021_22_St_John_s_MBB_Schedule_072821_FINAL.pdf

I didn't know Assembly Hall was actually in NYC  ;)
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on August 04, 2021, 02:31:09 PM
I didn't know Assembly Hall was actually in NYC  ;)

I mean Bloomington is the NYC of mid-southeast Indiana so I think it counts
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 05, 2021, 11:23:49 AM
Big time commitment for St. John's - #49 nationally (and former Illinois pledge) AJ Storr. Anderson is building something good in Queens.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 13, 2021, 03:01:39 PM
not good news at Butler. Scooby Johnson charged with sexual assault, no longer in school. Some pretty hard evidence against him too.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2021/08/12/butler-basketball-player-scooby-johnson-accused-rape/8113666002/

Probable cause affidavit at the bottom of this story from Scooby's hometown paper:

https://wsbt.com/news/local/former-benton-harbor-basketball-star-facing-rape-charges

Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 13, 2021, 06:24:02 PM
not good news at Butler. Scooby Johnson charged with sexual assault, no longer in school. Some pretty hard evidence against him too.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2021/08/12/butler-basketball-player-scooby-johnson-accused-rape/8113666002/

Probable cause affidavit at the bottom of this story from Scooby's hometown paper:

https://wsbt.com/news/local/former-benton-harbor-basketball-star-facing-rape-charges
As our fearless leader would say, Next Man Up at Butler.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 18, 2021, 02:21:53 PM
Creighton picked up a 2022 point guard , who all had interest from Butler and Xavier among others .

https://247sports.com/Article/Basketball-recruiting-Creighton-commit-Ben-Shtolzberg-169166697/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 18, 2021, 02:36:38 PM
Creighton picked up a 2022 point guard , who all had interest from Butler and Xavier among others .

https://247sports.com/Article/Basketball-recruiting-Creighton-commit-Ben-Shtolzberg-169166697/

It's a good thing they fired McDermott. Their recruiting was going to be dead with him...
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on August 18, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
It's a good thing they fired McDermott. Their recruiting was going to be dead with him...

I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with your premise. But using the commitment of a currently unranked (by 247Composite) White dude as proof isn't the strongest case. The 2021 class on the other hand...
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: BLM on August 18, 2021, 03:25:37 PM
2021 cla$$ wa$ $igned before player$ were allowed to profit off of their name, image, and likene$$.  Creighton wa$ proving to offer more to recruit$ on that front than $ome other $chool$ were, which can possibly help make up for a raci$t remark from a coach.  Now that all recruit$ can make money without it being under the table, we'll $ee how Creighton'$ recruiting i$.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 18, 2021, 04:28:33 PM
2021 cla$$ wa$ $igned before player$ were allowed to profit off of their name, image, and likene$$.  Creighton wa$ proving to offer more to recruit$ on that front than $ome other $chool$ were, which can possibly help make up for a raci$t remark from a coach.  Now that all recruit$ can make money without it being under the table, we'll $ee how Creighton'$ recruiting i$.

proof of that?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on August 18, 2021, 05:16:00 PM
I'd say Justin Patton, followed by a lack of punishment following Justin Patton, followed by, I believe, being caught on a wire tap.  If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: mugrad_89 on August 18, 2021, 07:13:17 PM
Justin Patton?  He was a tall skinny kid with a very limited offensive game when he got to Creighton, and he redshirted his first year.  Not a good example to use.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 18, 2021, 07:29:09 PM
Justin Patton?  He was a tall skinny kid with a very limited offensive game when he got to Creighton, and he redshirted his first year.  Not a good example to use.

His cash satchel was well-equipped, though. Creighton was just handed NCAA sanctions because of his recruitment.  Of course, it took four summer for the NCAA to get to that point.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on August 18, 2021, 07:51:43 PM
Justin Patton?  He was a tall skinny kid with a very limited offensive game when he got to Creighton, and he redshirted his first year.  Not a good example to use.

His basketball ability is irrelevant. His appearance on the FBI's wiretap investigation regarding the payment of recruits to attend certain universities isn't.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 18, 2021, 07:55:30 PM
Butler picked up a 2022 Center recently. From what I have read he is a late bloomer .

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2021/07/01/recruiting-2022-big-man-connor-turnbull-commits-butler-basketball/7820358002/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on August 18, 2021, 07:56:29 PM
I'd say Justin Patton, followed by a lack of punishment following Justin Patton, followed by, I believe, being caught on a wire tap.  If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

I didn't realize Patton was in the 2021 recruiting class.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on August 18, 2021, 08:00:33 PM
I didn't realize Patton was in the 2021 recruiting class.

Once a cheater, always a cheater. Especially if the punishments are so minor that they have no effect at all. 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 18, 2021, 08:27:58 PM
Is this the year we can finally start hating other Big East teams? That's maybe the thing I miss most about the old BE. I am sick of detente and the banning of the "Hey, you suck" chant (with the infamous Lar's admonishment letter that Pilarz ghost wrote for him).

Seton Hall is as close as it gets for MU but I don't know that it is reciprocated. No Red Pleatherneckers, Couch Burners, Domers, Pitt New Yorkers, Jimmy B the Douche. Hell, UCONN and Calhoun didn't even make our hate list. The Blue Demon candle died out a long time ago when we joined them in the basement.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: fjm on August 18, 2021, 09:26:11 PM
Justin Patton?  He was a tall skinny kid with a very limited offensive game when he got to Creighton, and he redshirted his first year.  Not a good example to use.

Paying players only matters if they are good in high school or have a high rating?

Sweet. Good to know!
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 18, 2021, 10:45:52 PM
Is this the year we can finally start hating other Big East teams? That's maybe the thing I miss most about the old BE. I am sick of detente and the banning of the "Hey, you suck" chant (with the infamous Lar's admonishment letter that Pilarz ghost wrote for him).

Seton Hall is as close as it gets for MU but I don't know that it is reciprocated. No Red Pleatherneckers, Couch Burners, Domers, Pitt New Yorkers, Jimmy B the Douche. Hell, UCONN and Calhoun didn't even make our hate list. The Blue Demon candle died out a long time ago when we joined them in the basement.
Going by the Douche Bag quality of their  fans at The Big East Tournament I would endorse both U Conn and The Hall as hate worthy.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MUfan12 on August 19, 2021, 09:20:38 AM
I thought there was some potential with X and Creighton, for different reasons. But even those seemed to fizzle out.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: DFW HOYA on August 20, 2021, 12:56:22 PM
The rivalries are different because the fan bases are. Gone are the days every Syracuse fan would be walking down the steps at the Garden balancing two beers and a pretzel for the early round games (to be followed by the inevitable fight in the stands during the 2:00 afternoon game). West Virginia wasn't endearing and some fan bases never showed up to begin with (South Florida, Rutgers, Cincinnati).

Excepting Marquette and Georgetown, the fan bases from least to most annoying from the Big East tournament:

1. DePaul, because they're never there.
2. Butler, always polite, and often gone early.
3. Creighton, polite, and usually older.
4. Xavier, but they stay to themselves.
5. St. John's, but most of the old fan base has been burned out by now.
6. Providence, with some New England swagger
7. Seton Hall, with some Jersey swagger
8. Villanova, who still shows up in big numbers as compared to most schools. 

..and the new (old) champion of most annoying:

9. Connecticut. They will buy every available seat. They will fill the bowels of Penn Station from the New Haven Line and cannot be ignored. They are back to win.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 21, 2021, 07:51:59 AM
Rather than playing an exhibition game against some D2 or D3 doormat, Villanova has scheduled a closed scrimmage against Duke on Oct. 23 in Washington DC.

That seems like a great idea for both programs, and more coaches schedule those kinds of scrimmages.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2021, 07:59:55 AM
Rather than playing an exhibition game against some D2 or D3 doormat, Villanova has scheduled a closed scrimmage against Duke on Oct. 23 in Washington DC.

That seems like a great idea for both programs, and more coaches schedule those kinds of scrimmages.


Pretty sure Marquette has done that every year under both Wojo and Buzz. Not sure about last year.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on August 21, 2021, 08:23:12 AM

Pretty sure Marquette has done that every year under both Wojo and Buzz. Not sure about last year.

Thanks for that info. I didn't know that. I hope it's something Shaka does, too.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on August 21, 2021, 08:39:22 AM
Yeah they can do two of either scrimmages or exhibitions. Under Wojo they usually did one of each.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on August 21, 2021, 09:18:06 AM
Thanks for that info. I didn't know that. I hope it's something Shaka does, too.

In recent years, Northwestern, K-State, Indiana, and Dayton have been some of the teams Marquette had preseason scrimmages with.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 21, 2021, 09:33:50 AM
Some in depth analysis of The Johnnies. This is part of an excellent series of summer checkin articles on teams in The Big East
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2021/8/10/22571386/big-east-basketball-season-preview-st-johns-red-storm-anderson-champagnie-alexander
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on August 21, 2021, 03:15:18 PM
In recent years, Northwestern, K-State, Indiana, and Dayton have been some of the teams Marquette had preseason scrimmages with.

Didn't we scrimmage Virginia one year? Might be making that up
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 21, 2021, 04:37:06 PM
Didn't we scrimmage Virginia one year? Might be making that up
I think we did too
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Retire0 on August 21, 2021, 04:50:33 PM
I think we did too

2014.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 30, 2021, 09:26:10 PM
Depaul new coach gets some respect in this article.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Grading-college-basketball-coaching-hires-for-2021-22-Chris-Beard-Hubert-Davis-Shaka-Smart-169892900/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on August 31, 2021, 06:39:44 PM
Good article on Xavier
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2021/8/12/22571390/big-east-basketball-team-preview-xavier-musketeers-steele-freemantle-scruggs-johnson-edwards-odom
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 01, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
UConn's non-conference schedule
https://uconnhuskies.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule

Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 01, 2021, 01:23:55 PM
UConn's non-conference schedule
https://uconnhuskies.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
Relatively easy schedule . Should have some good momentum going into conference play .
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Nukem2 on September 01, 2021, 01:26:47 PM
Relatively easy schedule . Should have some good momentum going into conference play .
Bonnies are formidable this year.  Also West Va.  and potentially Mich. St.  Auburn and,possibly, Loyola are now slouches either.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 01, 2021, 01:55:10 PM
Relatively easy schedule . Should have some good momentum going into conference play .

Home games are terrible. Tough way to sell tickets.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 02, 2021, 08:29:13 AM
Excellent preview on U- Conn

https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2021/8/2/22571378/big-east-basketball-preview-connecticut-huskies-hurley-cole-martin-whaley-jackson
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 02, 2021, 10:28:36 AM
PC non conference schedule is out.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PCFriarsmbb/status/1433446233167761414
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 02, 2021, 12:26:35 PM
PC non conference schedule is out.
https://mobile.twitter.com/PCFriarsmbb/status/1433446233167761414
Cooley & Company at The Badgers November 15
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: swoopem on September 07, 2021, 02:14:40 PM
Has anyone heard when the Big East schedule is being released? It’s usually right after Labor Day so I’m hoping for this Friday but I haven’t seen anything
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 07, 2021, 04:56:12 PM
Relatively easy schedule . Should have some good momentum going into conference play .

St Bonaventure is a top 25 team and it's a neutral site game. West Virginia in Morgantown, Auburn. MSU or Loyola, then either of the following in Atlantis (Arizona State, Auburn, Syracuse, Virginia Commonwealth, or Baylor). Pretty solid schedule. None of their tough non conference games are in Storrs or Hartford.

Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 13, 2021, 03:15:37 PM
Seton Hall put out it's non-conference today.
https://shupirates.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: zcg2013 on September 13, 2021, 03:29:07 PM
Three Man Weave put up their Big East preview today on their website.

If you haven't seen their podcast or website, well worth it. Very in depth.

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/big-east-2021-22-preview
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: The Equalizer on September 13, 2021, 03:40:08 PM
I saw scheduled for UConn, Seton Hall & PC above.  Checking websites, It looks like only Villanova has yet to post something for 2021-22:

Butler:
https://butlersports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://butlersports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

Creighton:
https://gocreighton.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://gocreighton.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

St. Johns:
https://redstormsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://redstormsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

Xavier:
https://goxavier.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://goxavier.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

DePaul:
https://depaulbluedemons.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://depaulbluedemons.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

Georgetown:
https://guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

Marquette:
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

Villanova: 
Still showing the 2020-21 schedule.

Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 13, 2021, 04:20:00 PM
Three Man Weave put up their Big East preview today on their website.

If you haven't seen their podcast or website, well worth it. Very in depth.

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/big-east-2021-22-preview
Pointed out the similarities between Wojo's record at MU and Coach Smart at Texas.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 13, 2021, 05:53:41 PM
Pointed out the similarities between Wojo's record at MU and Coach Smart at Texas.

Shaka is a better coach than Wojo.  Results may be similar
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: bilsu on September 13, 2021, 07:29:54 PM
Shaka is a better coach than Wojo.  Results may be similar
Wojo had only one first round draft choice and no 2nd round draft choices. Shaka had more and did no better.
I understand the Wojo hate, but I do not see where Shaka is a better coach. He is more defensive minded while Wojo was more offensive minded.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: BLM on September 13, 2021, 07:34:01 PM
Wojo had only one first round draft choice and no 2nd round draft choices. Shaka had more and did no better.
I understand the Wojo hate, but I do not see where Shaka is a better coach. He is more defensive minded while Wojo was more offensive minded.

Well, Shaka does have a Final Four under his belt. That’s a pretty big difference between him and Wojo.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 13, 2021, 07:38:43 PM
Well, Shaka does have a Final Four under his belt. That’s a pretty big difference between him and Wojo.

This will get misinterpreted and that’s fine because nuance is lost so often but that Final Four was a fluky run.  He did a great job at VCU.  It’s not easy to consistently make the tournament there.  That was more impressive than the Final 4 to me big picture-wise.  But his time at Texas gives me pause.  There’s more than a few coaches who have made one final 4 and never sniffed another.  If he’s more VCU at Marquette than Texas, then it’s a good chance he’ll have consistent success.  If it’s his time at Texas, eh.  For me, I really feel like we’ll know a lot by spring of 2022, we really will
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 13, 2021, 08:08:11 PM
I saw scheduled for UConn, Seton Hall & PC above.  Checking websites, It looks like only Villanova has yet to post something for 2021-22:

Butler:
https://butlersports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://butlersports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

Creighton:
https://gocreighton.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://gocreighton.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

St. Johns:
https://redstormsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://redstormsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

Xavier:
https://goxavier.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://goxavier.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

DePaul:
https://depaulbluedemons.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://depaulbluedemons.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

Georgetown:
https://guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

Marquette:
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22 (https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2021-22)

Villanova: 
Still showing the 2020-21 schedule.

Villanova
Nov. 9 vs. Mount St. Mary’s
Nov. 12 at UCLA
Nov. 16 Howard

Hall of Fame Tip-Off in Uncasville, CT.
Nov. 20 vs. Tennessee
Nov. 21 vs. North Carolina or Purdue

Nov. 28 at La Salle (The Palestra)
Dec. 1 at Pennsylvania
Dec. 4 vs. St. Joseph’s

Jimmy V Classic in New York, NY
Dec. 7 vs. Syracuse

Dec. 12 at Baylor (BE-B12 Challenge)
Dec. 29 Temple



Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on September 13, 2021, 08:12:42 PM
Coaching in college basketball is very much a "what have you done for me recently" business.  Shaka has a FF yes, but there's a very real chance that he goes a decade without a tourney win, so I can certainly understand if there are some hesitations regarding his overall body of work.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: BLM on September 13, 2021, 08:39:28 PM
He’s lost some of his best players to season ending injuries in multiple different seasons. If you want to say a Final Four run is fluky, then so to us a first round loss. So last year’s 3 seed should be an encouraging sign. We hired a guy who just coached his team to a 3 seed in the Tournament. Which would be one of the highest seeds in MU history, and tied for highest in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 13, 2021, 08:41:02 PM
He’s lost some of his best players to season ending injuries in multiple different seasons. If you want to say a Final Four run is fluky, then so to us a first round loss. So last year’s 3 seed should be an encouraging sign. We hired a guy who just coached his team to a 3 seed in the Tournament. Which would be one of the highest seeds in MU history, and tied for highest in my lifetime.

Yup, there’s bad luck and good luck in March.  🤷🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 13, 2021, 08:54:04 PM
The theory is also that Shaka was not a cultural fit at Texas but will be one at Marquette. Could be phoey, but there's a few pieces about it that I buy
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 13, 2021, 08:57:49 PM
The theory is also that Shaka was not a cultural fit at Texas but will be one at Marquette. Could be phoey, but there's a few pieces about it that I buy

I can believe this as well.  I don’t dismiss that at all.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 13, 2021, 10:12:26 PM
Three Man Weave put up their Big East preview today on their website.

If you haven't seen their podcast or website, well worth it. Very in depth.

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/big-east-2021-22-preview
Thanks for posting . These guys do in depth work.

I have some differences with their conclusions though. I have Villanova and U Conn as Tier 1 and everyone else fighting tooth and nail to be at the top of Tier 2 . When I look at the rest of the league I think MU can compete for that 3rd spot .
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on September 13, 2021, 11:08:58 PM
This will get misinterpreted and that’s fine because nuance is lost so often but that Final Four was a fluky run.  He did a great job at VCU.  It’s not easy to consistently make the tournament there.  That was more impressive than the Final 4 to me big picture-wise.  But his time at Texas gives me pause.  There’s more than a few coaches who have made one final 4 and never sniffed another.  If he’s more VCU at Marquette than Texas, then it’s a good chance he’ll have consistent success.  If it’s his time at Texas, eh.  For me, I really feel like we’ll know a lot by spring of 2022, we really will

Brother Rico:

Absolutely. Let's see how far he goes with what he has.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 15, 2021, 11:04:09 AM
another big commitment for Mike Anderson and St. John's.  The question was whether he could recruit NYC. Well, 8 guys (with this year's commitments) are NYC guys and MA has established a strong Our Savior Lutheran pipeline going. The Van Macon hire is proving to be a huge one. 

https://nypost.com/2021/09/14/jaquan-sanders-commits-to-st-johns-over-seton-hall/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2021, 11:19:42 AM
another big commitment for Mike Anderson and St. John's.  The question was whether he could recruit NYC. Well, 8 guys (with this year's commitments) are NYC guys and MA has established a strong Our Savior Lutheran pipeline going. The Van Macon hire is proving to be a huge one. 

https://nypost.com/2021/09/14/jaquan-sanders-commits-to-st-johns-over-seton-hall/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

He’s doing good work.  Didn’t like the hire but he’s proven me wrong. 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 15, 2021, 11:48:25 AM
He’s doing good work.  Didn’t like the hire but he’s proven me wrong.

the big question is whether he can win in the postseason. One Elite Eight (Mizzou) and one Sweet 16 (UAB) but other than that, seven first or second round exits. His style definitely appeals to NYC kids.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 15, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
He’s doing good work.  Didn’t like the hire but he’s proven me wrong.

I thought he was a solid hire, but I'm not certain what he's proven at this point. In two seasons he's 0-fer on making the postseason (yes, COVID cancelled one of them but they weren't making it without running the table at the BET). Is recruiting highly rated prospects proof of a good hire? By that standard, Wojo was fantastic!

the big question is whether he can win in the postseason. One Elite Eight (Mizzou) and one Sweet 16 (UAB) but other than that, seven first or second round exits. His style definitely appeals to NYC kids.

Win in the postseason? I think he needs to answer whether or not he can make the postseason at SJU first.

And again, I thought he was a solid hire and would not be surprised to see SJU take off under him. Just haven't seen the proof yet.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on September 15, 2021, 04:33:53 PM
I feel like St John's fell backwards into a decent hire. Considering how bad that process went, they should feel very fortunate.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 15, 2021, 04:46:38 PM
I feel like St John's fell backwards into a decent hire. Considering how bad that process went, they should feel very fortunate.
That is exactly what happened and they are indeed very lucky. 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2021, 04:55:25 PM
I thought he was a solid hire, but I'm not certain what he's proven at this point. In two seasons he's 0-fer on making the postseason (yes, COVID cancelled one of them but they weren't making it without running the table at the BET). Is recruiting highly rated prospects proof of a good hire? By that standard, Wojo was fantastic!

Win in the postseason? I think he needs to answer whether or not he can make the postseason at SJU first.

And again, I thought he was a solid hire and would not be surprised to see SJU take off under him. Just haven't seen the proof yet.

Those are fair points in discussing Anderson.  He recruited well at Arkansas but they always seemed to be stuck in neutral and we’ve seen some of that at St. John’s.  Given where the league is right now, plenty of windows are open for any program to take off
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Golden Avalanche on September 16, 2021, 06:35:35 PM
I thought he was a solid hire, but I'm not certain what he's proven at this point. In two seasons he's 0-fer on making the postseason (yes, COVID cancelled one of them but they weren't making it without running the table at the BET). Is recruiting highly rated prospects proof of a good hire? By that standard, Wojo was fantastic!

Win in the postseason? I think he needs to answer whether or not he can make the postseason at SJU first.

And again, I thought he was a solid hire and would not be surprised to see SJU take off under him. Just haven't seen the proof yet.

This is the story.

People somehow thinking Anderson has already answered the questions goes to the theory that attention spans are five minutes long in the best case.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 16, 2021, 09:14:46 PM
I thought he was a solid hire, but I'm not certain what he's proven at this point. In two seasons he's 0-fer on making the postseason (yes, COVID cancelled one of them but they weren't making it without running the table at the BET). Is recruiting highly rated prospects proof of a good hire? By that standard, Wojo was fantastic!

Win in the postseason? I think he needs to answer whether or not he can make the postseason at SJU first.

And again, I thought he was a solid hire and would not be surprised to see SJU take off under him. Just haven't seen the proof yet.

Bingo.

We'll see.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 16, 2021, 09:53:13 PM
If Anderson has any kind of traction with the Program, The Johnnie fans will come out of the woodwork in swarms  .

I remember back in the Mullin days , there were so many working class people in the city backing the team, many had no connection to the school .

We saw a little bit of that kind of response when Mike Jarvis had the team going well.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Litehouse on September 20, 2021, 03:54:51 PM
Any estimates on when the Big East is going to release the conference schedule?  It's already much later than usual.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 20, 2021, 04:15:55 PM
Any estimates on when the Big East is going to release the conference schedule?  It's already much later than usual.

MU student tickets on sale this week yet no BE schedule announcement clues yet. Has to be this week to hype single tickets and packs with MM.

Also, with a later Winter school start, the game packs may get heavily promoted in larger bundles as the inventory, including "Be a Student", is larger. <Speculation>
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 20, 2021, 06:49:34 PM
Someone mentioned on another board that the NBA schedule was released later than usual, and with the number of shared arenas, that could be why the BE schedule is later.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Warrior of Law on September 21, 2021, 02:57:31 PM
I'm finding this delay rather annoying.  With digital tickets, if you have make a slight change, how hard can it be?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on September 21, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
Could be like last year when they announced the first 3-4 games (I think in Dec., even though I'm too lazy to look it up) and then fleshed it out only around New Year's. Covid got the blame, but it might have set a precedent.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MUDPT on September 21, 2021, 05:48:04 PM
All of the power conferences are out, so any day now…
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 21, 2021, 07:24:17 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/Cx0YVkpWX0MAAAAM/waiting-anxious.gif)
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 21, 2021, 08:03:17 PM
All of the power conferences are out, so any day now…
In a way. Pac-12 doesn't have exact dates. Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 still don't have TV. The delay has to be with TV for the Big East.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 21, 2021, 10:44:44 PM
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1440420325343129602

Jonny R with the conference schedule scoop
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on September 22, 2021, 07:42:18 AM
All I had to do was think it (above), and Rothstein says it's this week. Happy to be wrong, hope to be making travel plans soon.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 22, 2021, 04:41:13 PM
In a way. Pac-12 doesn't have exact dates. Big Ten, SEC and Big 12 still don't have TV. The delay has to be with TV for the Big East.

TV and pro leagues, since schools like MU, SH, and G-town share arenas with multiple pro teams (SH with one) and St. John's and Villanova share their secondary arenas part time with multiple pro teams.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 23, 2021, 09:51:35 AM
Pump the brakes on the St. John’s bandwagon

https://twitter.com/cbb_central/status/1441048809321246721?s=21
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 23, 2021, 10:04:23 AM
https://twitter.com/BIGEASTMBB/status/1441055357032353792
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Its DJOver on September 23, 2021, 10:06:11 AM
Three home games to end the season, I like it.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TallTitan34 on September 23, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_-oulOXEAU6bl4?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TallTitan34 on September 23, 2021, 10:07:11 AM
Three home games to end the season, I like it.

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 23, 2021, 10:08:55 AM
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/9/23/big-east-announces-2021-22-mens-basketball-conference-schedule.aspx

Tipoff times and television designations will be announced at a later date.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on September 23, 2021, 10:16:44 AM
Creighton at home on New Year's Day?  Yes, please.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 23, 2021, 10:23:19 AM
I like this schedule.  Only four "buy" games. 

But it annoys me that they are putting "BYE" on their schedule.  College basketball doesn't really have bye weeks right?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 23, 2021, 10:25:18 AM


But it annoys me that they are putting "BYE" on their schedule.  College basketball doesn't really have bye weeks right?

Where do you see that?

Edit: Yes, they do.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 23, 2021, 10:26:07 AM
Creighton at home on New Year's Day?  Yes, please.

Bucks play at 5pm at FF. Guessing this will be a 11am game.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 23, 2021, 10:27:55 AM
Where do you see that?

Right hand side between Creighton and butler and between nova and uconn
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 23, 2021, 10:29:35 AM
Right hand side between Creighton and butler and between nova and uconn

Oh, on the MU photo tweet. Thanks.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 23, 2021, 10:33:37 AM
Where do you see that?

Edit: Yes, they do.


I know they *have* bye weeks.  I just have never seen them indicated like that on a schedule before.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: swoopem on September 23, 2021, 10:34:43 AM
Any idea when National MU day will be announced?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 23, 2021, 10:42:59 AM
Any idea when National MU day will be announced?
Not until next week when times and TV come out.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 23, 2021, 10:46:35 AM
That stretch from January 19th through February 12th could be brutal. Home games against Villanova (perceived top BE team) and Xavier (perceived top 3 BE team) and 5 road games against teams projected to be at least a little better than us this season. If we're not careful we could go almost a month without a win.

Last three games of the season all very winnable. Could have some momentum heading into BET. Maybe we pull a Georgetown
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: We R Final Four on September 23, 2021, 11:27:23 AM
I like this schedule.  Only four "buy" games. 

But it annoys me that they are putting "BYE" on their schedule.  College basketball doesn't really have bye weeks right?
Really? Then you must be frequently annoyed if adding the word “BYE” to the tweet of a college basketball schedule sets you off.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on September 23, 2021, 11:30:03 AM
Really? Then you must be frequently annoyed if adding the word “BYE” to the tweet of a college basketball schedule sets you off.

I'm over it now. Thanks for your concern.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: IL Warrior on September 23, 2021, 11:57:40 AM
Bucks play at 5pm at FF. Guessing this will be a 11am game.
The Bucks also play at 5pm on 1/15 and 7:30pm on 2/26. As a result, I'd expect MU-SHU to be 11am, and MU-Butler to be 11am or 1pm.

I wonder about NMD this year. None of the weekend games line up as the obvious answer:
Sat 1/1 vs Creighton - students are on break
Sat 1/15 vs Seton Hall - students are on break
Sun 1/23 vs Xavier - Maybe? I remember the last Sunday NMD generating a fair amount of angst among the posters here.
Sat 2/26 vs Butler - I guess this is the most likely, but most of us probably wish it was a night game
Sat 3/5 vs St. John's - I doubt we would see NMD, Al's Night, and Senior Night on the same day, but maybe?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 23, 2021, 11:59:04 AM
Any idea when National MU day will be announced?

A good guess is 1/16 right before school starts. As Nielsen points out, TV is the driver.

Let's hope it's not a Sunday game again on 1/23. That didn't go over too well last time we were all live.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: cheebs09 on September 23, 2021, 12:20:17 PM
A good guess is 1/16 right before school starts. As Nielsen points out, TV is the driver.

Let's hope it's not a Sunday game again on 1/23. That didn't go over too well last time we were all live.

I thought it was typically a February game. My thought would be the Butler game.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: geps on September 23, 2021, 12:28:53 PM
Could be rough December.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: UWW2MU on September 23, 2021, 12:42:15 PM
Could be rough December.

I'm concerned about the mental toll it may take on a young team to have games at WI and Kansas State and then a home game against a supposedly top notch UCLA (presumably they can lose all 3) and then wait an entire week for conference games to begin.   Could be a very rough start to the conference season.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 23, 2021, 01:04:05 PM
Could be rough December.

This is an 8-10 win team
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: tower912 on September 23, 2021, 01:07:34 PM
A long December
And its easy to believe
Maybe this year
Will be better than the last.

So little known about this team.  8-10 wins seems low, but I am only thinking 12-14.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 23, 2021, 01:33:41 PM
I'm thinking 13-16 wins
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 23, 2021, 01:46:55 PM
The Bucks also play at 5pm on 1/15 and 7:30pm on 2/26. As a result, I'd expect MU-SHU to be 11am, and MU-Butler to be 11am or 1pm.

I wonder about NMD this year. None of the weekend games line up as the obvious answer:
Sat 1/1 vs Creighton - students are on break
Sat 1/15 vs Seton Hall - students are on break
Sun 1/23 vs Xavier - Maybe? I remember the last Sunday NMD generating a fair amount of angst among the posters here.
Sat 2/26 vs Butler - I guess this is the most likely, but most of us probably wish it was a night game
Sat 3/5 vs St. John's - I doubt we would see NMD, Al's Night, and Senior Night on the same day, but maybe?

I'm going to think NMD will land on 2/26.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: swoopem on September 23, 2021, 02:26:19 PM
A good guess is 1/16 right before school starts. As Nielsen points out, TV is the driver.

Let's hope it's not a Sunday game again on 1/23. That didn't go over too well last time we were all live.

I think it’ll be Butler but I agree that the Seton Hall game could be rowdy with students returning that weekend plus it being MLK weekend and a lot of people having Monday off.

Smart money is on Butler though
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 23, 2021, 02:30:13 PM
This is an 8-10 win team

Jeesh ... I hope you're wrong about that!
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 23, 2021, 03:07:47 PM
Pump the brakes on the St. John’s bandwagon

https://twitter.com/cbb_central/status/1441048809321246721?s=21
That is typical Johnnie Nonsense .
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: dgies9156 on September 23, 2021, 04:18:22 PM
God what a bunch of downers. 20 wins here we come!
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 23, 2021, 04:26:41 PM
That is typical Johnnie Nonsense .

the team had to begged to play after they all threatened to quit at halftime against Seton Hall, a game they trailed by 10 at the half, didn't have Posh Alexander, trailed 18-0, and won by 10, on the road? I'm not really buying that.  And the COVID claims don't really hold up since SJU didn't have to cancel any games due to positives within their program. From what I understand, Moore was a cancer too.

And all of their best players returned too. This sounds like a money grab by a coach who was replaced by a better dude.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2021, 05:25:18 AM
the team had to begged to play after they all threatened to quit at halftime against Seton Hall, a game they trailed by 10 at the half, didn't have Posh Alexander, trailed 18-0, and won by 10, on the road? I'm not really buying that.  And the COVID claims don't really hold up since SJU didn't have to cancel any games due to positives within their program. From what I understand, Moore was a cancer too.

And all of their best players returned too. This sounds like a money grab by a coach who was replaced by a better dude.

Maybe but it would be an odd move for a guy who has gotten another job and seemingly still wants to coach college basketball. 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 24, 2021, 08:14:59 AM
Should we view it as a sign of lower interest in the team if nobody at the No. 1 Marquette basketball fan site even bothered to start a separate thread about the new season's schedule being released?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Johnny B on September 24, 2021, 08:22:28 AM
Should we view it as a sign of lower interest in the team if nobody at the No. 1 Marquette basketball fan site even bothered to start a separate thread about the new season's schedule being released?
meh maybe we will see  who is back whn the season starts. shakas kinda gotta get this program going again.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: WI_Inferiority_Complexes1 on September 24, 2021, 08:36:57 AM
Should we view it as a sign of lower interest in the team if nobody at the No. 1 Marquette basketball fan site even bothered to start a separate thread about the new season's schedule being released?
I get a fair share of emails from Marquette. They’ve been trying to put me in an 1881 shirt for weeks. Why don’t they promote that the schedule is out?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 24, 2021, 09:17:22 AM
I get a fair share of emails from Marquette. They’ve been trying to put me in an 1881 shirt for weeks. Why don’t they promote that the schedule is out?

Damn! I thought I was the only one getting that offer. I feel so much less special now!!
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: WI_Inferiority_Complexes1 on September 24, 2021, 02:46:37 PM
I get a fair share of emails from Marquette. They’ve been trying to put me in an 1881 shirt for weeks. Why don’t they promote that the schedule is out?
They emailed me now. All is well.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on September 25, 2021, 01:41:39 AM
ESPN+
EXCLUSIVE CONTENT
Coaches identify men's college basketball's top sleeper teams for 2021-22 season
2 Teams were identified in the Big East
1. Seton Hall
2. Providence
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on September 25, 2021, 08:22:38 AM
ESPN+
EXCLUSIVE CONTENT
Coaches identify men's college basketball's top sleeper teams for 2021-22 season
2 Teams were identified in the Big East
1. Seton Hall
2. Providence
We'll catch everyone napping
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MUDPT on September 25, 2021, 09:46:23 AM
Don’t know if this has been posted, but the Ole Miss game is listed as a 6 CST tip.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on September 29, 2021, 10:36:27 AM
Villanova junior and former 5-star Brian Antonie is out with a knee injury. Early reports say that he could be out until December. I really feel for that kid, he's had like three major injuries since getting to college. He would be really good if could just get healthy and stay healthy.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: zcg2013 on September 29, 2021, 01:08:36 PM
TV schedule and Times set for Big East Schedule.

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/9/29/big-east-announces-2021-22-mens-basketball-television-schedule.aspx

3 games on CBSSN
1 game on FS2
1 game on Fox

Rest on FS1
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: rocky_warrior on September 29, 2021, 01:12:10 PM
TV schedule and Times set for Big East Schedule.

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/9/29/big-east-announces-2021-22-mens-basketball-television-schedule.aspx

3 games on CBSSN
1 game on FS2
1 game on Fox

Rest on FS1

YTTV still the best bet?  Legit question haven't looked at options yet this year.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 29, 2021, 01:23:20 PM
YTTV still the best bet?  Legit question haven't looked at options yet this year.

Yes, sir! That is what I have.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 29, 2021, 01:24:56 PM
TV schedule and Times set for Big East Schedule.

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/9/29/big-east-announces-2021-22-mens-basketball-television-schedule.aspx

3 games on CBSSN
1 game on FS2
1 game on Fox

Rest on FS1
Your count is off. I'm guess your count is only conference games.

3 on FS2
15 on FS1
4 on CBSSN
4 on ESPN family of networks
2 on FOX
3 still TBD
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on September 29, 2021, 01:34:52 PM
Your count is off. I'm guess your count is only conference games.

3 on FS2
15 on FS1
4 on CBSSN
3 on ESPN family of networks
2 on FOX
3 still TBD
Butler game on Fox most likely NMD?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 29, 2021, 01:53:41 PM
Butler game on Fox most likely NMD?
It's confirmed as NMD
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: zcg2013 on September 29, 2021, 02:09:42 PM
Your count is off. I'm guess your count is only conference games.

3 on FS2
15 on FS1
4 on CBSSN
3 on ESPN family of networks
2 on FOX
3 still TBD

Correct, count was based on that release, did not look at MU's website, so this was solely conference based.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on September 29, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
TV schedule and Times set for Big East Schedule.

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/9/29/big-east-announces-2021-22-mens-basketball-television-schedule.aspx

3 games on CBSSN
1 game on FS2
1 game on Fox

Rest on FS1
Looking forward to Mr Nielsen’s pinned post with the details at the top again.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Johnny B on September 29, 2021, 04:36:03 PM
no cbs 😪
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on September 29, 2021, 06:50:11 PM
It's confirmed as NMD

On a Saturday? That's outrageous!
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 04, 2021, 06:58:59 PM
another big commitment for Mike Anderson and St. John's.  The question was whether he could recruit NYC. Well, 8 guys (with this year's commitments) are NYC guys and MA has established a strong Our Savior Lutheran pipeline going. The Van Macon hire is proving to be a huge one. 

https://nypost.com/2021/09/14/jaquan-sanders-commits-to-st-johns-over-seton-hall/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

and, 20 days later, Sanders decommits from SJU, citing needing to get away from NYC and "distractions." A pretty mature decision if that is actually the reason.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 04, 2021, 07:14:20 PM
and, 20 days later, Sanders decommits from SJU, citing needing to get away from NYC and "distractions." A pretty mature decision if that is actually the reason.
Was probably offered more money
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 04, 2021, 08:54:07 PM
Was probably offered more money

I was definitely thinking it.

That said, there is something positive about getting away from bad influences. Case in point: Rysheed Jordan. Here’s the NY Post article: https://nypost.com/2021/10/04/jaquan-sanders-explains-decision-to-decommit-from-st-johns/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 04, 2021, 09:20:16 PM
I was definitely thinking it.

That said, there is something positive about getting away from bad influences. Case in point: Rysheed Jordan. Here’s the NY Post article: https://nypost.com/2021/10/04/jaquan-sanders-explains-decision-to-decommit-from-st-johns/
Sounds like his Mom wants him to go to school in a non urban setting.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 04, 2021, 11:21:14 PM
Sounds like his Mom wants him to go to school in a non urban setting.

Or just away from neighborhood influences. His brother goes to Cincy.

The main reason Deane didn’t recruit Milwaukee kids was he was worried about outside influences from family, friends, hangers on, etc.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 05, 2021, 01:25:16 PM

3 on FS2
15 on FS1
4 on CBSSN
5 on ESPN family of networks
3 on FOX
1 TBD

You can add another game on FOX.
11:30AM @ Wisconsin
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 06, 2021, 03:15:08 PM
Kansas State is at 8pm. ESPN2/U
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 08, 2021, 10:57:09 AM
Nova continues to roll. From The Athletic:

Five-star forward Cam Whitmore has committed to Villanova, choosing the Wildcats over Illinois and North Carolina.

The 6-foot-6, 200-pound player for Archbishop Spalding is the No. 24 prospect in the 2022 class, according to the 247Sports Composite Rating. He is the No. 6 small forward in the class and the No. 1 recruit coming out of Maryland.

"The history Villanova has speaks for itself, the national championships," Whitmore said. "Coach Wright just got inducted into the Hall of Fame. I mean, that's pretty big."

Whitmore becomes the third recruit to commit to Villanova, joining four-star guards Mark Armstrong (No. 46) from St. Peters Prep in New Jersey and Brendan Hausen (No. 106) from Texas' Amarillo High School.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 08, 2021, 11:31:48 AM
Jay wright during his two or three down years 'we got too focused on the stars of the player and stopped recruiting our type of guys'

Is he making the same mistake?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on October 08, 2021, 11:34:16 AM
Jay wright during his two or three down years 'we got too focused on the stars of the player and stopped recruiting our type of guys'

Is he making the same mistake?

I don't think so. In recent years, they've built the program around those 30-80 ranked guys that are "their type" and had success sprinkling in the Omari Spellman/JRE types, and not dropped significantly when a Bryan Antoine didn't pan out. I think it works better for Wright when he is supplementing a solid roster with the occasional 5-star rather than building the roster around them.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 08, 2021, 12:04:49 PM
I don't think so. In recent years, they've built the program around those 30-80 ranked guys that are "their type" and had success sprinkling in the Omari Spellman/JRE types, and not dropped significantly when a Bryan Antoine didn't pan out. I think it works better for Wright when he is supplementing a solid roster with the occasional 5-star rather than building the roster around them.

Gotcha. Fair take.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on October 08, 2021, 12:34:41 PM
It goes back to 2012, the last time Nova missed the tourney. Supposedly after the season, Jay yelled at his assistants "get me some f**cling guys I can coach!" The names I've most heard associated with that comment were Maalik Wayns and Mouphtaou Yarou, both top-25 types who never became what we think of as today's Villanova-type players, after 2 bids and 1 NCAA win in their first three years. And this was after winning 11 NCAA games in five years.

They focused on more team oriented guys that grew into roles, like Josh Hart, Ryan Arcidiacono, Daniel Ochefu, Kris Jenkins, and Donte DiVincenzo, then added the occasional Jalen Brunson/Omari Spellman when they needed extra punch. Honestly, I'm hoping Shaka's VCU success & seeing what didn't work at Texas has him at a place where he learned that same lesson.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 08, 2021, 01:24:36 PM
It goes back to 2012, the last time Nova missed the tourney. Supposedly after the season, Jay yelled at his assistants "get me some f**cling guys I can coach!" The names I've most heard associated with that comment were Maalik Wayns and Mouphtaou Yarou, both top-25 types who never became what we think of as today's Villanova-type players, after 2 bids and 1 NCAA win in their first three years. And this was after winning 11 NCAA games in five years.

They focused on more team oriented guys that grew into roles, like Josh Hart, Ryan Arcidiacono, Daniel Ochefu, Kris Jenkins, and Donte DiVincenzo, then added the occasional Jalen Brunson/Omari Spellman when they needed extra punch. Honestly, I'm hoping Shaka's VCU success & seeing what didn't work at Texas has him at a place where he learned that same lesson.

I think it's more based on this article.

The mind-set was still there in 2009, when Villanova reached its first Final Four in 24 years, but after that achievement the program lost some of its edge. Wright has said that he got “sloppy” in his recruiting during this time, overemphasizing talent and stature and not fully considering how players might fit in the Wildcats’ culture. Two years after that Final Four—where the Wildcats lost in the semifinals to eventual champion North Carolina—Villanova started 16–1 before collapsing, losing its final six games. The following season it finished 13–19. “Those were good players, and they weren’t bad people,” says Philadelphia 76ers assistant Billy Lange, who served on Wright’s staff from ’01 to ’04 and ’11 to ’13. “They just weren’t coming to Villanova for the same reasons Jay wants people to.”

Around the same time he was returning to his original priorities, Wright made another important tweak. As the Wildcats were continually burned by opponents’ three-point shooting, he commissioned Lange to figure out why. He spent the summer of 2013 chronicling every three-pointer Villanova had surrendered in its previous 27 games against high-level opponents and filed a 37-page report complete with pie charts and color-coded tables. “He probably read about two pages,” Lange says now, but it was enough to grasp the report’s primary conclusion: The best way Villanova could limit opponents’ three-point damage was by emphasizing communication and reworking their ball-screen defense. It was the volume of opponents’ threes, not their percentage of makes, that needed to be addressed.

Another of the Wildcats’ many creeds is that defense leads to offense, and in this case the effect was literal. The same logic suggested that Villanova’s offense would benefit from shooting more triples, and so Wright, already a deep-ball proponent and member of the small-ball avant-garde, built his rosters and game plans accordingly. In 2013–14, the first season after the study, the Wildcats’ share of field goal attempts from beyond the arc leaped from 35.3% (112th in the country) to 44.8% (seventh). It has not dipped below 42.7% since.


https://www.si.com/college/2018/04/03/villanova-ncaa-national-champions-brunson-bridges-divincenzo-jay-wright
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 08, 2021, 01:56:07 PM
Jay wright during his two or three down years 'we got too focused on the stars of the player and stopped recruiting our type of guys'

Is he making the same mistake?
Jay can recruit his kind of guy, and that player can also be very talented. All the success ensures Jay gets the pick of the litter of what he is looking for. 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 11, 2021, 06:30:00 PM
normally an interview with the AD at Depaul wouldn't be worthy of sharing, but on comment piqued my interest and may of others here too:

https://depauliaonline.com/55290/sports/dewayne-peevy-looks-back-on-first-year-as-athletic-director/

Peevy has a long-term vision for the athletic department, which includes eventually building a basketball facility in Lincoln Park and continuing to renovate the Sullivan Athletic Center. Something that isn’t yet part of that long-term vision, but might come into play later down the road, is getting DePaul its own football program.  “Right now, from an athletics side, we have a lot of things to do before we can talk about football,” he said. “But I’m not going to say never.”
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 11, 2021, 06:44:10 PM
Then I will do it.   Never.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 11, 2021, 06:50:13 PM
Then I will do it.   Never.

Well, I actually think it's more realistic than the idea of an on-campus arena for men's hoops.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 11, 2021, 06:57:05 PM
normally an interview with the AD at Depaul wouldn't be worthy of sharing, but on comment piqued my interest and may of others here too:

https://depauliaonline.com/55290/sports/dewayne-peevy-looks-back-on-first-year-as-athletic-director/

Peevy has a long-term vision for the athletic department, which includes eventually building a basketball facility in Lincoln Park and continuing to renovate the Sullivan Athletic Center. Something that isn’t yet part of that long-term vision, but might come into play later down the road, is getting DePaul its own football program.  “Right now, from an athletics side, we have a lot of things to do before we can talk about football,” he said. “But I’m not going to say never.”
I am looking forward to seeing what the new DePaul basketball coach can do this season. Big opportunity to start the job in a season when most of the Big East teams are relatively equal talent wise.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 11, 2021, 07:01:59 PM
Well, I actually think it's more realistic than the idea of an on-campus arena for men's hoops.

Let's start them with small steps. Since joining the Big East, DUMBB has never made the NCAAT.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 11, 2021, 07:05:06 PM
Well, I actually think it's more realistic than the idea of an on-campus arena for men's hoops.
Sharing the future Bears field?   Northwestern?   Real estate in Chicagoland is a bigger ask than it is in Milwaukee.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 11, 2021, 08:39:08 PM
Sharing the future Bears field?   Northwestern?   Real estate in Chicagoland is a bigger ask than it is in Milwaukee.

It’s DePaul. They’d probably just use Wish Field or some existing municipal stadium. More realistic than building an arena in Lincoln Park.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MUDPT on October 11, 2021, 08:45:41 PM
It’s DePaul. They’d probably just use Wish Field or some existing municipal stadium. More realistic than building an arena in Lincoln Park.

Wish Field, the one you can see from the Fullerton stop?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on October 12, 2021, 09:15:15 AM
I don't think so. In recent years, they've built the program around those 30-80 ranked guys that are "their type" and had success sprinkling in the Omari Spellman/JRE types, and not dropped significantly when a Bryan Antoine didn't pan out. I think it works better for Wright when he is supplementing a solid roster with the occasional 5-star rather than building the roster around them.

Honestly, this should be Shaka's approach (and I think it is). Establishing the system and stocking up on people that fit that system affords you the luxury of finding a Greg Brown that can also fit. Contrast that with the "green light sales pitch" of our previous regime and you find a team without an identity and nothing to lean on if the green light guy doesn't pan out.

I feel good about the hire and where this team is going under Shaka.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 13, 2021, 05:08:36 PM
BE Presidents to discuss expansion per Val Ackerman:

Big East Commissioner Ackerman tells The Athletic that with the Fox deal expiring in 2025, she will ask her presidents to at least examine expansion. "That's in the back of our minds. What school helps with our basketball aspirations?" Asked about going national, and perhaps pursuing Gonzaga, Ackerman remarks: “Nothing is crazy in this environment but we're also mindful of details, like travel and logistics. Geography is not insurmountable, but it's kind of high on the list.''

The biggest issue for the BE adding the Zags is the travel logistics the Zags will face with their nonrevenue sports, not as much as current BE members will face. Gonzaga is currently a target for the Mountain West which makes more sense for them.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Hards_Alumni on October 13, 2021, 05:51:35 PM
BE Presidents to discuss expansion per Val Ackerman:

Big East Commissioner Ackerman tells The Athletic that with the Fox deal expiring in 2025, she will ask her presidents to at least examine expansion. "That's in the back of our minds. What school helps with our basketball aspirations?" Asked about going national, and perhaps pursuing Gonzaga, Ackerman remarks: “Nothing is crazy in this environment but we're also mindful of details, like travel and logistics. Geography is not insurmountable, but it's kind of high on the list.''

The biggest issue for the BE adding the Zags is the travel logistics the Zags will face with their nonrevenue sports, not as much as current BE members will face. Gonzaga is currently a target for the Mountain West which makes more sense for them.

So just add Gonzaga basketball and let the rest of the sports stay in their current conference.   ;D
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 13, 2021, 06:11:00 PM
So just add Gonzaga basketball and let the rest of the sports stay in their current conference.   ;D

which is against NCAA rules. Minor issue there.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: DFW HOYA on October 13, 2021, 07:05:49 PM
which is against NCAA rules. Minor issue there.

I'm not for expansion, but conference membership is not dependent on all your sports in a single league.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 13, 2021, 09:10:03 PM
which is against NCAA rules. Minor issue there.

So were phantom courses at UNC, agents bribing coaches, and coaches paying players. I remember the good old days.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 13, 2021, 09:13:23 PM
BE Presidents to discuss expansion per Val Ackerman:

Big East Commissioner Ackerman tells The Athletic that with the Fox deal expiring in 2025, she will ask her presidents to at least examine expansion. "That's in the back of our minds. What school helps with our basketball aspirations?" Asked about going national, and perhaps pursuing Gonzaga, Ackerman remarks: “Nothing is crazy in this environment but we're also mindful of details, like travel and logistics. Geography is not insurmountable, but it's kind of high on the list.''

The biggest issue for the BE adding the Zags is the travel logistics the Zags will face with their nonrevenue sports, not as much as current BE members will face. Gonzaga is currently a target for the Mountain West which makes more sense for them.

Translation : If Fox wants the Big East to expand. The Big East will expand .
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Nukem2 on October 13, 2021, 09:39:18 PM
Translation : If Fox wants the Big East to expand. The Big East will expand .
Yeah, I suspect there might be a push from Fox for more content?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 13, 2021, 09:50:43 PM
Yeah, I suspect there might be a push from Fox for more content?
Gonzaga.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 13, 2021, 10:05:37 PM
I'm not for expansion, but conference membership is not dependent on all your sports in a single league.

There are some instances where having sports in different conferences is allowed. My understanding is that basketball and Olympic sports are tied together.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 14, 2021, 07:09:25 AM
Who else besides Gonzaga might be interesting?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2021, 07:22:44 AM
Who else besides Gonzaga might be interesting?

Kansas and that is it.  No one else brings value other than inventory
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 14, 2021, 08:20:24 AM
Who knows what will motivate potential media partners.  Perhaps Fox wants more games to either show or sell off to other networks.  If that's the case, they will have to pay enough to make it worth it.  (In other words, enough to give every school more $$$)

Honestly I just hope the BE can hold serve with this next contract.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on October 14, 2021, 08:57:05 AM
Who knows what will motivate potential media partners.  Perhaps Fox wants more games to either show or sell off to other networks.  If that's the case, they will have to pay enough to make it worth it.  (In other words, enough to give every school more $$$)

Honestly I just hope the BE can hold serve with this next contract.

I think the Big East will hold serve. If the NHL can get the money they did from ESPN/TNT for the not the greatest ratings, so can the Big East. FS1 has filled up slots nice over the years adding the Big Ten (39 games) and MWC (32 games), with the Pac-12's 22 games, FOX/FS1 needs the Big East. As that is over 100 slots.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: WhiteTrash on October 14, 2021, 09:08:20 AM
Kansas and that is it.  No one else brings value other than inventory
Agreed but I don't see Kansas moving. The new Big XII will be damn good. Not SEC or Big 10 good but every bit as good and the ACC and PAC 12 in football. Can't see them leaving $30-$40 MM in TV revenue for the BE.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 14, 2021, 09:12:37 AM
If the Bonnie's manage to put together a decent run this year and keep it going for a few they could be a surprise candidate. Would be hilarious to see Dayton heads explode if that happens. Probably enough time for St Louis to rebound from last season and make enough noise to look like a serious candidate.

Again I'm not saying either gets a real look now but that they're set up for a chance
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 14, 2021, 09:12:47 AM
Agreed but I don't see Kansas moving. The new Big XII will be damn good. Not SEC or Big 10 good but every bit as good and the ACC and PAC 12 in football. Can't see them leaving $30-$40 MM in TV revenue for the BE.


I'm not sure they are going to still make $30-$40 MM.  But I do agree that that they aren't dropping football to concentrate on basketball.

This isn't UConn playing in a Group of 5 conference.  This is a member of a Power 5 conference.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 14, 2021, 09:16:26 AM
I really think the only realistic candidates are the same old A10 types that we have traditionally talked about.  Whether or not that will be enough to move the needle, I have no idea.  But Herman is right - if the networks want it, the BE will do it.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 14, 2021, 09:56:37 AM
Who else besides Gonzaga might be interesting?

The Zags would need a travel partner. Hello Saint Mary's.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 14, 2021, 10:00:23 AM
And it sounds like Memphis ain't happening unless FOX really really really says so.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on October 14, 2021, 10:33:42 AM
BE Presidents to discuss expansion per Val Ackerman:

Big East Commissioner Ackerman tells The Athletic that with the Fox deal expiring in 2025, she will ask her presidents to at least examine expansion. "That's in the back of our minds. What school helps with our basketball aspirations?" Asked about going national, and perhaps pursuing Gonzaga, Ackerman remarks: “Nothing is crazy in this environment but we're also mindful of details, like travel and logistics. Geography is not insurmountable, but it's kind of high on the list.''

The biggest issue for the BE adding the Zags is the travel logistics the Zags will face with their nonrevenue sports, not as much as current BE members will face. Gonzaga is currently a target for the Mountain West which makes more sense for them.

We just need the Zags to relocate closer to us. Maybe to like St. Louis or something. I don't see any issues here.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 14, 2021, 10:48:40 AM
Who else besides Gonzaga might be interesting?

Personally, I think the only schools that are both 1) even remotely possible and 2) valuable enough to the Big East are Gonzaga and Kansas...and Kansas would only happen if the other power conferences expand again and decimate the B12 which isn't happening in the near future. Even then, Kansas would probably spend a decade convinced that they will eventually get an invite to one of the top 4 conferences before pulling a UConn.

If expansion happens in the next 5 years, I think it will be Gonzaga unless Fox demands expansion and Gonzaga says no. Then we are probably looking at VCU, SLU, or Dayton. Is the AAC desperate enough that they would let Memphis keep football in the AAC while moving all other sports to the BEast?

Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: swoopem on October 14, 2021, 10:53:24 AM
I’d rather have Wichita St than Dayton or SLU
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: shoothoops on October 14, 2021, 01:00:24 PM
If the Bonnie's manage to put together a decent run this year and keep it going for a few they could be a surprise candidate. Would be hilarious to see Dayton heads explode if that happens. Probably enough time for St Louis to rebound from last season and make enough noise to look like a serious candidate.

Again I'm not saying either gets a real look now but that they're set up for a chance

SLU was an NIT team last season, where they had a good chance to be an NCAA Team if not for the pandemic canceled games.

Matt Norlander released his 358 ranked teams this week. He has them in this year as a top 68 team. He has MUBB 105.

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1448669360663449602?t=SE66S5OW7zUIRsW0uVeGyg&s=19

They already have a budget comparable to Seton Hall and Xavier, and higher than DePaul, Butler etc...they have the facilities, following, and big $ benefactors. (Chaifetz, Kavanaugh, etc..) That of course would likely increase as would many other things.

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/college-basketball-budgets-2020

Only 5 Big East teams have more NCAA appearances the past decade than them. Villanova, Xavier, Creighton, Butler, Providence.

Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 14, 2021, 02:01:34 PM

Matt Norlander released his 358 ranked teams this week. He has them in this year as a top 68 team. He has MUBB 105.

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1448669360663449602?t=SE66S5OW7zUIRsW0uVeGyg&s=19

Ugh…second to last in BE just ahead of DePaul.

#barecupboard
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 14, 2021, 02:19:24 PM
I’d rather have Wichita St than Dayton or SLU

Probably should have included them as a possibility as well.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 14, 2021, 02:38:03 PM
Yadi to the Big East.

He could finish top 3 all by himself! If Wain-o joins him, we're talking multiple national titles.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2021, 02:42:10 PM
SLU was an NIT team last season, where they had a good chance to be an NCAA Team if not for the pandemic canceled games.

Matt Norlander released his 358 ranked teams this week. He has them in this year as a top 68 team. He has MUBB 105.

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1448669360663449602?t=SE66S5OW7zUIRsW0uVeGyg&s=19

They already have a budget comparable to Seton Hall and Xavier, and higher than DePaul, Butler etc...they have the facilities, following, and big $ benefactors. (Chaifetz, Kavanaugh, etc..) That of course would likely increase as would many other things.

https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/college-basketball-budgets-2020

Only 5 Big East teams have more NCAA appearances the past decade than them. Villanova, Xavier, Creighton, Butler, Providence.

Adding St. Louis would be like flushing the toilet for Buzz, embarrassing
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 14, 2021, 03:02:20 PM
Ugh…second to last in BE just ahead of DePaul.

#barecupboard
I have a different opinion than Matt Norlander regarding MU’s prospects this coming season.

Some of his picks make no sense. Creighton for one. I agree they have a lot of talent on the roster but the vast majority of it is unproven.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on October 14, 2021, 03:49:33 PM
I have a different opinion than Matt Norlander regarding MU’s prospects this coming season.

Some of his picks make no sense. Creighton for one. I agree they have a lot of talent on the roster but the vast majority of it is unproven.

A lot of it is based on Nembhard and his performance during FIBA. They also are super high on O'Connell.

Many just think the team here is too young and theoretically has a talent ceiling. I hope we do a lot of proving wrong. I think Lewis is a BIG player this year as a mismatch that will remind us of Jae. Morsell is on a mission for putting it together on both ends of the floor, and I expect him to. If Kolek and O-Max can step it up at this level and Frosh role players can step up a bit (I am looking at Joplin as the most likely candidate), this could be a really fun season.

Not to mention, Greg with health and that shooting he showed last year...
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 14, 2021, 09:06:36 PM
A lot of it is based on Nembhard and his performance during FIBA. They also are super high on O'Connell.

Many just think the team here is too young and theoretically has a talent ceiling. I hope we do a lot of proving wrong. I think Lewis is a BIG player this year as a mismatch that will remind us of Jae. Morsell is on a mission for putting it together on both ends of the floor, and I expect him to. If Kolek and O-Max can step it up at this level and Frosh role players can step up a bit (I am looking at Joplin as the most likely candidate), this could be a really fun season.

Not to mention, Greg with health and that shooting he showed last year...
I think many people are not taking Greg’s ability into consideration.

The kid was hurt almost all his career . When he finally had some degree of health he really showed up.

I am a big fan of Greg
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 14, 2021, 09:26:18 PM
I think many people are not taking Greg’s ability into consideration.

The kid was hurt almost all his career . When he finally had some degree of health he really showed up.

I am a big fan of Greg

Several Scoopers were totally dismissive of Elliott after last season, basically saying there was no reason for Shaka to want him.

Because, you know, 46% 3-point shooters are a dime-a-dozen.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on October 14, 2021, 11:18:19 PM
I think TV markets are worth thinking about. SLU's address in a top-25 market might be more valuable than their program (which would need a greater commitment). I could see trying to get into other markets or states without Big East teams as well.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 14, 2021, 11:24:07 PM
I think TV markets are worth thinking about. SLU's address in a top-25 market might be more valuable than their program (which would need a greater commitment). I could see trying to get into other markets or states without Big East teams as well.

If only Detroit Mercy was even halfway decent. It's insane to me that there's nothing else Michigan has to offer for the BE to get a foothold. They'd be a perfect borderline east/Midwest team. East coast timing but not insane travel for MU & DPU
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on October 15, 2021, 06:09:43 AM
If only Detroit Mercy was even halfway decent. It's insane to me that there's nothing else Michigan has to offer for the BE to get a foothold. They'd be a perfect borderline east/Midwest team. East coast timing but not insane travel for MU & DPU

Detroit or Boston University would be huge if their programs were competent.

As far as long shots, Northeastern is a solid CAA team in Boston, St Thomas allegedly has Big East aspirations, and Denver is already a partial member. But there's no one that moves the needle like a Gonzaga or Kansas.

If you make an addition, I think you want a program that elevates the league rather than a program that needs the league to elevate them.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 15, 2021, 07:35:17 AM
Detroit or Boston University would be huge if their programs were competent.

As far as long shots, Northeastern is a solid CAA team in Boston, St Thomas allegedly has Big East aspirations, and Denver is already a partial member. But there's no one that moves the needle like a Gonzaga or Kansas.

If you make an addition, I think you want a program that elevates the league rather than a program that needs the league to elevate them.

I was going to say Denver also, if they can heavily commit to basketball.  They already know how to put national championship teams together for lacrosse & hockey.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 15, 2021, 07:47:25 AM
I think TV markets are worth thinking about. SLU's address in a top-25 market might be more valuable than their program (which would need a greater commitment). I could see trying to get into other markets or states without Big East teams as well.


I don't think there will be any additions.

However, if there was one, I think it would be SLU.  New market....decent in basketball....Jesuit connections with MU, GU, X and Creighton.


If you make an addition, I think you want a program that elevates the league rather than a program that needs the league to elevate them.

And this is why I ultimately think it's just not going to happen.  I just don't see anyone who can move the needle and get a higher value media rights contract.

But I have been wrong before.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on October 15, 2021, 08:24:38 AM
And this is why I ultimately think it's just not going to happen.  I just don't see anyone who can move the needle and get a higher value media rights contract.

But I have been wrong before.

Agreed, and frankly, I'm even skeptical of the media market aspect. FS1 & FS2 are already in Boston and Detroit and St Louis and Minneapolis. Sure, a local tie might bring in a few more fans in those markets, but unless the programs are successful I don't think it would be in high numbers and certainly wouldn't drive national numbers the way a Kansas or Gonzaga would. This isn't like the Big 10 needing Rutgers or Maryland to get their channel into NYC and DC. Fox is already there, so why add if it doesn't tangibly improve the product?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 15, 2021, 08:26:26 AM
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Agreed, and frankly, I'm even skeptical of the media market aspect. FS1 & FS2 are already in Boston and Detroit and St Louis and Minneapolis. Sure, a local tie might bring in a few more fans in those markets, but unless the programs are successful I don't think it would be in high numbers and certainly wouldn't drive national numbers the way a Kansas or Gonzaga would. This isn't like the Big 10 needing Rutgers or Maryland to get their channel into NYC and DC. Fox is already there, so why add if it doesn't tangibly improve the product?

Then Loyola so that we finally get the Chicago market?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2021, 08:44:47 AM
Then Loyola so that we finally get the Chicago market?

This is a really good post
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: The Lens on October 15, 2021, 08:50:22 AM
IMO you only add teams that people stand up and take notice.

UConn was one
Zags are another
Kansas is a dream

After that, every program mentioned doesn't crack our top 7 for national appeal.  Why in the world would we add them? 

Adding SLU / Dayton / VCU does nothing but dilute the league.  WSU is a million miles from our core values.  You can be big public and you can be west but you can't be both (unless you're Kansas).

It's Gonzaga or no one.  Val's message yesterday was to Zag Donors to get them riled up and ready.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: shoothoops on October 15, 2021, 08:50:30 AM
I think TV markets are worth thinking about. SLU's address in a top-25 market might be more valuable than their program (which would need a greater commitment). I could see trying to get into other markets or states without Big East teams as well.

What do you mean by commitment? I’m assuming you mean winning at higher levels more often. They need to keep doing that, yes. They have commitment, and that commitment would grow in a better league.

Their budget (listed a few posts back) is already bumped up to higher than some Big East teams and the same as Xavier, Seton Hall, etc…and that would increase in the Big East.

They have the $100 million plus on campus facilities, similar size venue to Xavier. They are also located down the street from a 20k seat, recently renovated ($150 million) Enterprise Center it they need it.

They have big money boosters. SLU alum, Richard Chaifetz sits in front row for the games (he flies in from Chicago for games) and has donated over $30 million. SLU soccer alum Jim Kavanaugh is also a big benefactor. He is part owner of the Blues and the new MLS team. $5 million new soccer building is currently under construction. Don Ross (Enterprise) has also recently made 7 figure donations and is a decades long hoops season tix holder. There are several others as well. Being in a Big East type of conference would only help that. It would also help casual fan interest.

They swapped a 25 year difficult non sports friendly school president for someone much easier to deal with. (He isn’t a Tim Lannon salesman type, more of an academic). Rick Majerus picked their AD who again is not a charismatic salesman type, but he’s alright. Their board has been a mixed bag.

Their coach has done something several other coaches there haven’t been able to do, recruit locally.

Several NBA stars work out there on a regular basis when in town. Being in an elevated league would make them more competitive to land more of those players.

They don’t have a lot of historical “commitment” and NCAA success. But times change. In the past decade they have more NCAA appearances than MUBB, and half of the Big East, and they are expected to have a better team this season as well.

When they are competitive they draw big, and they get media attention. Grawer, Spoon, Majerus, Ford.

Creighton had made 2 of 6 NCAA’s when they joined the Big East for example. But they had a Tim Lannon, a former Marquette VP, aggressively lobbying, building relationships etc…and that is not something SLU had, and may not have now. But Creighton did fine, as would SLU. It’s more about how a program would do than what is has done.

Some of the current Big East teams haven’t had much success in a long time. We all know those teams. …Even MUBB with its larger budget and “commitment” has had its share of rough patches. 5 NCAA Tourney 2nd weekends for MUBB in the past 40 years. (1 for KO, 1 for Crean, 3 for Buzz)

I’m all for going after Gonzaga and the very best teams of college hoops as well. If you can’t be one of those teams, may as well try to get one some of them. SLU would do well in the Big East, as they already check several boxes.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU82 on October 15, 2021, 08:54:09 AM
IMO you only add teams that people stand up and take notice.

UConn was one
Zags are another
Kansas is a dream

After that, every program mentioned doesn't crack our top 7 for national appeal.  Why in the world would we add them? 

Adding SLU / Dayton / VCU does nothing but dilute the league.  WSU is a million miles from our core values.  You can be big public and you can be west but you can't be both (unless you're Kansas).

It's Gonzaga or no one.  Val's message yesterday was to Zag Donors to get them riled up and ready.

Well, as long as we're making pipe dreams ... add Notre Dame to the needle-moving list. I know it's almost surely not gonna happen, though, and I agree that Val was openly courting the Zags, which was pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 15, 2021, 09:41:06 AM
It's Gonzaga or a Gonzaga level program or nothing....unless Fox demands otherwise. I don't know that they would but if they did the league would add someone even if Gonzaga said no.

I don't think media markets are as valuable as they used to be.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Retire0 on October 15, 2021, 09:50:06 AM
I’d rather have Wichita St than Dayton or SLU

(https://c.tenor.com/T1HnnAK5b-0AAAAd/jim-brockmire-brockmire-middle-finger.gif)

ABD.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 15, 2021, 10:34:25 AM
What do you mean by commitment? I’m assuming you mean winning at higher levels more often. They need to keep doing that, yes. They have commitment, and that commitment would grow in a better league.

Their budget (listed a few posts back) is already bumped up to higher than some Big East teams and the same as Xavier, Seton Hall, etc…and that would increase in the Big East.

They have the $100 million plus on campus facilities, similar size venue to Xavier. They are also located down the street from a 20k seat, recently renovated ($150 million) Enterprise Center it they need it.

They have big money boosters. SLU alum, Richard Chaifetz sits in front row for the games (he flies in from Chicago for games) and has donated over $30 million. SLU soccer alum Jim Kavanaugh is also a big benefactor. He is part owner of the Blues and the new MLS team. $5 million new soccer building is currently under construction. Don Ross (Enterprise) has also recently made 7 figure donations and is a decades long hoops season tix holder. There are several others as well. Being in a Big East type of conference would only help that. It would also help casual fan interest.

They swapped a 25 year difficult non sports friendly school president for someone much easier to deal with. (He isn’t a Tim Lannon salesman type, more of an academic). Rick Majerus picked their AD who again is not a charismatic salesman type, but he’s alright. Their board has been a mixed bag.

Their coach has done something several other coaches there haven’t been able to do, recruit locally.

Several NBA stars work out there on a regular basis when in town. Being in an elevated league would make them more competitive to land more of those players.

They don’t have a lot of historical “commitment” and NCAA success. But times change. In the past decade they have more NCAA appearances than MUBB, and half of the Big East, and they are expected to have a better team this season as well.

When they are competitive they draw big, and they get media attention. Grawer, Spoon, Majerus, Ford.

Creighton had made 2 of 6 NCAA’s when they joined the Big East for example. But they had a Tim Lannon, a former Marquette VP, aggressively lobbying, building relationships etc…and that is not something SLU had, and may not have now. But Creighton did fine, as would SLU. It’s more about how a program would do than what is has done.

Some of the current Big East teams haven’t had much success in a long time. We all know those teams. …Even MUBB with its larger budget and “commitment” has had its share of rough patches. 5 NCAA Tourney 2nd weekends for MUBB in the past 40 years. (1 for KO, 1 for Crean, 3 for Buzz)

I’m all for going after Gonzaga and the very best teams of college hoops as well. If you can’t be one of those teams, may as well try to get one some of them. SLU would do well in the Big East, as they already check several boxes.

Cool.

If Fox doesn’t pay the BE more, it doesn’t matter how much improvement SLU has made.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: shoothoops on October 15, 2021, 11:03:18 AM
Cool.

If Fox doesn’t pay the BE more, it doesn’t matter how much improvement SLU has made.

Val Ackerman said this week that in order to secure a solid deal, the Big East needs to consider expansion. 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 15, 2021, 11:06:24 AM
Val Ackerman said this week that in order to secure a solid deal, the Big East needs to consider expansion. 

“Consider” means “talk with Fox to see if they make it worthwhile.”
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: shoothoops on October 15, 2021, 11:11:23 AM
“Consider” means “talk with Fox to see if they make it worthwhile.”

She said she already talked with media consultants etc and they advised her that expansion was a key to a good new deal. The deal will likely increase with or without expansion. But she’s been advised that expansion is important enough to consider to maximize the deal.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2021, 11:13:51 AM
She said she already talked with media consultants etc and they advised her that expansion was a key to a good new deal. The deal will likely increase with or without expansion. But she’s been advised that expansion is important enough to consider.

Expanding with St. Louis is a terrible idea.  Next
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 15, 2021, 11:15:16 AM
Expanding with St. Louis is a terrible idea.  Next

#ABSL
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 15, 2021, 11:28:52 AM
They told Val, "ABD".
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Hards_Alumni on October 15, 2021, 11:29:00 AM
IMO you only add teams that people stand up and take notice.

UConn was one
Zags are another
Kansas is a dream

After that, every program mentioned doesn't crack our top 7 for national appeal.  Why in the world would we add them? 

Adding SLU / Dayton / VCU does nothing but dilute the league.  WSU is a million miles from our core values.  You can be big public and you can be west but you can't be both (unless you're Kansas).

It's Gonzaga or no one.  Val's message yesterday was to Zag Donors to get them riled up and ready.

Bring back Boston College.  ;D
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on October 15, 2021, 11:45:28 AM
IMO you only add teams that people stand up and take notice.

UConn was one
Zags are another
Kansas is a dream

After that, every program mentioned doesn't crack our top 7 for national appeal.  Why in the world would we add them? 

Adding SLU / Dayton / VCU does nothing but dilute the league.  WSU is a million miles from our core values.  You can be big public and you can be west but you can't be both (unless you're Kansas).

It's Gonzaga or no one.  Val's message yesterday was to Zag Donors to get them riled up and ready.

Bingo. Giant bat signal to them.

Val is quite savvy. I have a lot of faith in her ability to keep the evolution of the Big East on a good path.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: JakeBarnes on October 15, 2021, 12:01:39 PM
I think there's a little more smoke to the Gonzaga stuff than I originally thought. Interesting take from our UConn friends: https://adimeback.com/big-east-realignment-dont-overthink-it-its-gonzaga-or-nobody/ (https://adimeback.com/big-east-realignment-dont-overthink-it-its-gonzaga-or-nobody/)

Also, love this quote from No Escalators (also uconn): "Seriously, don't overthink it. They're going to add Gonzaga. Everyone knows it is far away. Everyone is going to make more money. The latter always beats the former in college sports."
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: BLM on October 15, 2021, 12:27:09 PM
Hoops is our own entire Dayton fan base but for the city of St. Louis.

Also, do we want Gonzaga after Few retires? Who’s going to Spokane, WA (including coaches to follow Few) other than to play for Mark Few?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: The Lens on October 15, 2021, 12:34:22 PM
Mark Few is 58.  We're fine.

Creighton's (retired) AD just tweeted Gonzaga in Basketball Only.

IT'S HAPPENING
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2021, 12:35:25 PM
Hoops is our own entire Dayton fan base but for the city of St. Louis.

Also, do we want Gonzaga after Few retires? Who’s going to Spokane, WA (including coaches to follow Few) other than to play for Mark Few?

Gonzaga has earned their way into consideration.  Losing Few will certainly change things but this is probably why the tires are being kicked by both sides.  Gonzaga is a lot easier to sell to the next coach as a Big East member than a WCC member
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: shoothoops on October 15, 2021, 12:42:09 PM
Hoops is our own entire Dayton fan base but for the city of St. Louis.

Also, do we want Gonzaga after Few retires? Who’s going to Spokane, WA (including coaches to follow Few) other than to play for Mark Few?

Nah I talk about a lot of other cities,.sports and teams. Those posts don't get the same reaction. St. Louis a place that triggers some people here because Marquette isn't a very geographically diverse school. And there are some tribalists here that get triggered easily. All one has to do is say Madison or Notre Dame or insert name here.

I posted what I thought about the topic. That's how it works.


Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 15, 2021, 12:44:51 PM
I think there's a little more smoke to the Gonzaga stuff than I originally thought. Interesting take from our UConn friends: https://adimeback.com/big-east-realignment-dont-overthink-it-its-gonzaga-or-nobody/ (https://adimeback.com/big-east-realignment-dont-overthink-it-its-gonzaga-or-nobody/)

Also, love this quote from No Escalators (also uconn): "Seriously, don't overthink it. They're going to add Gonzaga. Everyone knows it is far away. Everyone is going to make more money. The latter always beats the former in college sports."

Plus FS1 can add a West Coast late start game if necessary.  It suck for us on the East Coast, but .......
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 15, 2021, 03:51:46 PM
Georgetown says that Tre King, a 6'9 transfer from EKU, is no longer on the team.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: DFW HOYA on October 15, 2021, 05:51:00 PM
Georgetown says that Tre King, a 6'9 transfer from EKU, is no longer on the team.

A sixth departure for conduct issues over the past five years.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 15, 2021, 05:52:47 PM
Any knowledge of specifics?   And, sorry you guys have to go through this.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: DFW HOYA on October 15, 2021, 06:01:09 PM
Any knowledge of specifics?   And, sorry you guys have to go through this.

All they said was he did not meet "the conduct expectations of the University."
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: tower912 on October 15, 2021, 06:20:54 PM
I read that.  Just hoping for some juicy unsubstantiated gossip.    Alas...
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 15, 2021, 07:57:33 PM
Mark Few is 58.  We're fine.

Creighton's (retired) AD just tweeted Gonzaga in Basketball Only.

IT'S HAPPENING



Grate, now we're neva gonna win da BE, hey?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on October 18, 2021, 03:16:17 PM
AP Top 25 Out Today
4. Villanova
24. UCONN
Xavier receiving 22 Votes
Saint John’s receiving 5 Votes
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 18, 2021, 03:31:59 PM
Mark Few is 58.  We're fine.

Creighton's (retired) AD just tweeted Gonzaga in Basketball Only.

IT'S HAPPENING

Which is interesting seeing how it's against NCAA bylaws.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: jesmu84 on October 20, 2021, 01:01:55 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3389866/oh-sick-college-basketball-is-apparently-just-not-going-to-call-travels-this-year-because-moves-trickled-down-from-the-nba

Didn't know where else to put a rule update
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 20, 2021, 01:11:39 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3389866/oh-sick-college-basketball-is-apparently-just-not-going-to-call-travels-this-year-because-moves-trickled-down-from-the-nba

Didn't know where else to put a rule update

Too bad for Wojo that this didn't happen 2-3 years ago, he'd probably still have a job!
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 20, 2021, 02:05:40 PM
Providence Journal article on outlook of Cooley & Company; has an excellent section on Tyler Kolek since he is a native son of Cumberland Rhode Island.

https://www.providencejournal.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2021/10/19/news-and-notes-providence-college-and-big-east-basketball/8524411002/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: bilsu on October 20, 2021, 02:46:59 PM
Too bad for Wojo that this didn't happen 2-3 years ago, he'd probably still have a job!
This would of been worse for Wojo. He recruited jump shooters. This rule change favors teams that drive the ball. It may be a benefit for Shaka.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: TAMU Eagle on October 20, 2021, 02:48:49 PM
This would of been worse for Wojo. He recruited jump shooters. This rule change favors teams that drive the ball. It may be a benefit for Shaka.

Are you kidding? Our turnovers would have been cut by 25% just by virtue of McEwen's 4 travels  a game not being called!
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Galway Eagle on October 20, 2021, 02:50:43 PM
This would of been worse for Wojo. He recruited jump shooters. This rule change favors teams that drive the ball. It may be a benefit for Shaka.

We probably would've won at Providence in the hockey rink game and been dancing over them.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: BLM on October 20, 2021, 03:05:37 PM
We probably would've won at Providence in the hockey rink game and been dancing over them.

They actually enforced that rule in that game.  If you travelled, you just stopped the game and the team with the ball just took it out of bounds.  Insane.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 26, 2021, 11:58:38 AM
12 BE players polled on who will win the conference title this year. Brilliant observation from NY Post hoops writer Zack Braziller on DePaul getting three votes.

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1453033695825252355
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: WithoutBias on October 31, 2021, 12:12:45 AM
Providence beats Purdue in a closed door scrimmage.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Newsdreams on October 31, 2021, 10:23:28 AM
Providence beats Purdue in a closed door scrimmage.
Does that bump Providence's seeding 2-3 spots?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: bilsu on October 31, 2021, 10:30:39 AM
We probably would've won at Providence in the hockey rink game and been dancing over them.
That game was stolen from us. We had jump shooters who were not slipping on the floor. Providence had drivers, who slipped and fell. The refs gave them the ball back. This is exactly why I said above the rule change would not of benefited Wojo teams as much as others.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on October 31, 2021, 12:51:31 PM
Johnnies won their first exhibition over Baruch, 107-43
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 01, 2021, 08:29:05 AM
Providence beats Purdue in a closed door scrimmage.

Providence has a very good starting five but they don't have much depth. They are one injury away.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: muwarrior69 on November 06, 2021, 03:28:31 PM
Nice article celebrating Lou Carnesecca:

https://nypost.com/2021/11/06/st-johns-lou-carnesecca-ready-for-college-basketballs-return/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 07, 2021, 12:52:39 AM
https://youtube.com/v/y9_PojLFUms

Katz has MU as no chance to dance.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 07, 2021, 05:10:15 PM
Villanova getting some good PR

https://nypost.com/2021/11/07/villanova-is-class-of-big-east-and-a-national-title-contender/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on November 09, 2021, 08:57:25 PM
So...St Thomas to the Big East? If they can't beat Chicago State, how will they match up with DePaul?
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: 1SE on November 14, 2021, 08:32:35 AM
Ooofff, at least we didn't lose to NH's snottier, private-school neighbor... first game of the season and GT is already letting down the conference. 
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 14, 2021, 11:44:37 AM
Ooofff, at least we didn't lose to NH's snottier, private-school neighbor... first game of the season and GT is already letting down the conference.

Some of those delusional Gtown grads may be rethinking their “if not for sports we’d be in the Ivy League” position. The Ivy may be too high a level for them.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2021, 09:27:40 AM
Seton Hall alumni enjoying the fruits of their win

https://nypost.com/2021/11/17/seton-hall-alums-finally-see-payback-for-89-title-game/amp/

Comments from PJ Carlesimo on season outlook
https://www.nj.com/setonhall/2021/11/pj-carlesimo-weighs-in-on-seton-halls-upset-of-no-4-michigan-pirates-prospects-for-a-big-season.html
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: mileskishnish72 on November 20, 2021, 09:40:51 AM
That game was stolen from us.

Correct! Was at that game, and there was a real discrepancy in the calls vis a vis traveling.
Our prior coach was a fool for even playing that game - he didn't have the hormones to do what was right and it's fortunate no one got hurt (except MU's W-L record).
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 06:21:44 PM
Excellent report by the X beat writer on X

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2021/11/22/big-east-basketball-analysis-xavier-musketeers-villanova-seton-hall-uconn-creighton-depaul-butler/8612226002/
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 22, 2021, 06:27:45 PM
Providence beats Purdue in a closed door scrimmage.

Purdue beats Villanova and N Carolina in open door tournament games.
Title: Re: Big East 2021-2022 Season Thread
Post by: brewcity77 on November 22, 2021, 06:37:21 PM
Purdue beats Villanova and N Carolina in open door tournament games.

Garcia would've had them, he just needed 4 more fouls like Watson got.