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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 1SE on November 19, 2020, 07:36:43 AM
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Unfortunately COVID stole our opportunity to assess Markus' ultimate MU legacy. While looking unlikely, a deep NCAA run would likely have moved him up the echelons of many of our MU hall of fames. Now we can only endlessly debate.
But turning to the future, Markus will at least see an NBA training camp. How far do you think he'll go?
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I think Marcus will have a career similar to Jerel McNeal.
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I think he will have a Dana Barros type NBA career
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Don't know how many guards Denver keeps on their roster, but it will certainly be an uphill battle for the end of a bench role.
Jamal Murray, Gary Harris, Monte Morris and #1 pick RJ Hampton in front of him, along with Troy Daniels and PJ Dozier who may or not be salary dumps. Probably a G League position, that's even if a G League is in existence this year.
Would be interesting to hear his take on the Denver signing, how enthusiastic Denver was, etc. and what other teams contacted him. Wish him the best.
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Michael Porter Jr. is essentially Markus Howard in a bigger body. Makes sense as to why the Nuggets GM would take a flyer.
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Didn't see this thread before I put this in the NBA draft thread ...
Every undrafted player -- and most second-rounders, and a good number of first-rounders -- will find it difficult to get a serious look in the NBA.
Markus is little and limited, but he has one proven skill that is highly valued. I certainly wouldn't bet against him getting some opportunities this season. As wades said, just the COVID-19 situation alone suggests that the Nuggets probably will need to add several players to the bottom of their roster on numerous occasions.
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Michael Porter Jr. is essentially Markus Howard in a bigger body. Makes sense as to why the Nuggets GM would take a flyer.
Markus's game is nothing like Michael Porter Jr.'s.
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Markus's game is nothing like Michael Porter Jr.'s.
They're both scorers with significant flaws.
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I think Marcus will have a career similar to Jerel McNeal.
Do you not understand what a 2-way contract is/entails? McNeal had a 10 contract with the Suns in his late 20s.
Frank Mason was on a 2 way with the Bucks this year and played in 10 games. Tyler Cook was a 2 way with the Nuggets and played 13.
Markus will have a more significant NBA career than McNeal in this year alone.
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Do you not understand what a 2-way contract is/entails? McNeal had a 10 contract with the Suns in his late 20s.
Frank Mason was on a 2 way with the Bucks this year and played in 10 games. Tyler Cook was a 2 way with the Nuggets and played 13.
Markus will have a more significant NBA career than McNeal in this year alone.
Markus will make a little over $300,000 this year as a two way player. The two Two way players on each team occupy the 16th and 17th spots on the NBA roster. They get paid for 45 days on the NBA roster and the rest of the days on the G League. Practicing with the NBA team counts as a day.
Markus now has to make the most of his opportunity. When Vander finally got his big chance a few years ago with the Lakers it did not work out. When Dwight Buycks got his chance on the Two Way, he played well and the Pistons extended his contract for the rest of the year, unfortunately there was a coaching change the next year and he was the odd man out.
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Do you not understand what a 2-way contract is/entails? McNeal had a 10 contract with the Suns in his late 20s.
Frank Mason was on a 2 way with the Bucks this year and played in 10 games. Tyler Cook was a 2 way with the Nuggets and played 13.
Markus will have a more significant NBA career than McNeal in this year alone.
Just to be a stickler McNeal's had a few 10 day contracts, I believe three teams but only got playing time with the Suns IIRC
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Just to be a stickler McNeal's had a few 10 day contracts, I believe three teams but only got playing time with the Suns IIRC
Yea the Hornets and the Clippers I believe, but he didn’t play in a game for anyone other than the Suns is more what I meant.
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Yea the Hornets and the Clippers I believe, but he didn’t play in a game for anyone other than the Suns is more what I meant.
If I remember correctly there may have been some injuries involved with Jerel.
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Do you not understand what a 2-way contract is/entails? McNeal had a 10 contract with the Suns in his late 20s.
Frank Mason was on a 2 way with the Bucks this year and played in 10 games. Tyler Cook was a 2 way with the Nuggets and played 13.
Markus will have a more significant NBA career than McNeal in this year alone.
Haha, do you understand how 2-ways work? You're making a big assumption that Markus will be called up at all.
Jerel was on all-D-league teams and was a d-league all-star. We'll see if Markus gets there.
Especially this year with a compressed NBA schedule there is not much time for rookies to get into the swing of the regular season before the playoffs hit. I doubt many 1st or 2nd rounders get playing time on contenders.
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Markus will make a little over $300,000 this year as a two way player. The two Two way players on each team occupy the 16th and 17th spots on the NBA roster. They get paid for 45 days on the NBA roster and the rest of the days on the G League. Practicing with the NBA team counts as a day.
Markus now has to make the most of his opportunity. When Vander finally got his big chance a few years ago with the Lakers it did not work out. When Dwight Buycks got his chance on the Two Way, he played well and the Pistons extended his contract for the rest of the year, unfortunately there was a coaching change the next year and he was the odd man out.
According to the article in one of the other threads:
Players on two-way contracts are generally allowed only 45 days in the NBA. However, due to the nature of the upcoming season, the NBA has relaxed its rules. There’s no 45-day service limit for two-way players this year. Instead, the NBA said in a recent memo that two-way players can’t be on the active list for more than 50 games.
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According to the article in one of the other threads:
Players on two-way contracts are generally allowed only 45 days in the NBA. However, due to the nature of the upcoming season, the NBA has relaxed its rules. There’s no 45-day service limit for two-way players this year. Instead, the NBA said in a recent memo that two-way players can’t be on the active list for more than 50 games.
That is good news, so Markus and the rest of the two way players will make a little more coin.
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It will be interesting. Wes and Jimmy found success early by being good defenders and then their offensive games developed quickly the next few years.
Markus is going to have to shoot really well early and play good enough defense to not be too big a liability. Based on how his defense improved at MU, I have no doubts in an NBA system with NBA coaching he will improve on defense. However, the line is so thin between a Jerel/Vander career and Wes Matthews that luck and situation plays such a huge role. I think Wes greatly benefitted from playing for Jerry Sloan.
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I see Europe in Markus' intermediate-term future.
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Markus really improved as an on-ball defender, though his size limitations will be big hurdle on that end.
What will limit his PT is his inability to run an offense and create for others.
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Haha, do you understand how 2-ways work? You're making a big assumption that Markus will be called up at all.
Jerel was on all-D-league teams and was a d-league all-star. We'll see if Markus gets there.
Especially this year with a compressed NBA schedule there is not much time for rookies to get into the swing of the regular season before the playoffs hit. I doubt many 1st or 2nd rounders get playing time on contenders.
“Big assumption”...keep doubling down on lack of knowledge my man. Across the league, how many 2 way players were not called up/saw no game time last year?...1, Cameron Reynolds from the Bucks. Don’t confuse this situation with someone just playing for a team’s G-League affiliate. Two way contracts are specifically to give players limited NBA run while they get reps in the G League. Provided you start the season with the team and don’t get cut from your two way in camp (cough cough Bronson Koenig cough cough), you have a far better chance of having your 2 way converted to a standard NBA deal than not getting called up or playing at all. And that was before COVID.
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Jeremy Lin. I think after a couple of years of a few short runs with a little bit of time, MH will have a break-out along the lines of Jeremy Lin. He will be a national sensation for a few weeks, and then...I dunno.
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“Big assumption”...keep doubling down on lack of knowledge my man. Across the league, how many 2 way players were not called up/saw no game time last year?...1, Cameron Reynolds from the Bucks. Don’t confuse this situation with someone just playing for a team’s G-League affiliate. Two way contracts are specifically to give players limited NBA run while they get reps in the G League. Provided you start the season with the team and don’t get cut from your two way in camp (cough cough Bronson Koenig cough cough), you have a far better chance of having your 2 way converted to a standard NBA deal than not getting called up or playing at all. And that was before COVID.
Loved seeing Vander Blue in all those Laker games, eh? Your homer is showing.
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Jeremy Lin. I think after a couple of years of a few short runs with a little bit of time, MH will have a break-out along the lines of Jeremy Lin. He will be a national sensation for a few weeks, and then...I dunno.
Jeremy Lin is 6'3.
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“Big assumption”...keep doubling down on lack of knowledge my man. Across the league, how many 2 way players were not called up/saw no game time last year?...1, Cameron Reynolds from the Bucks. Don’t confuse this situation with someone just playing for a team’s G-League affiliate. Two way contracts are specifically to give players limited NBA run while they get reps in the G League. Provided you start the season with the team and don’t get cut from your two way in camp (cough cough Bronson Koenig cough cough), you have a far better chance of having your 2 way converted to a standard NBA deal than not getting called up or playing at all. And that was before COVID.
The other nice feature of these contracts is you NBA pay for days you practice with the NBA team. The problem some Two Way players run into is that they use all the days and if their team does not want to convert them they get. That is what happened to Jamil. Of course in the case of Buycks he got his contract converted.
Vander blew through all his days practicing with the team, and got very few actual games and limited minutes in the games he did play in. It seemed at the time, the Two Way was a reward for Vander's loyalty to the Lakers over several years. It has been well documented that Vander turned down good foreign money several times in pursuit of his NBA dream.
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Loved seeing Vander Blue in all those Laker games, eh? Your homer is showing.
Stop moving the goalpost. First it was a career like McNeal. Then it’s a “big assumption” that he even gets called up to an NBA roster. Now it’s saying it’s will just be meaningless games like Vander...
There is no homer. I never said he would have a long and illustrious NBA career. I said he’s in a good situation and will get a shot with some actual NBA game time this year. He’s not fighting for a chance in Summer League, he’s not added as a emergency stop gap mid season. For someone who does not get drafted, being a 2 way player on a good team with a coach who values young talent (like Mike Malone) is a great situation.
He may end up playing for a high level European team by his mid 20s like Shane Larkin who actually was a first round pick, but he’s already got a leg up on McNeal and will play more NBA games his rookie season than McNeal did his whole career, that’s just the situation. And he’s already in a far better position NBA wise than Vander was at that age.
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1% chance Markus has an Isaiah Thomas career (not the HOF one, the other one).
10% chance of having an Earl Boykins type career.
89% chance he has a Frank Mason career.
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1% chance Markus has an Isaiah Thomas career (not the HOF one, the other one).
10% chance of having an Earl Boykins type career.
89% chance he has a Frank Mason career.
Blue and Gold tinted glasses
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1% chance Markus has an Isaiah Thomas career (not the HOF one, the other one).
10% chance of having an Earl Boykins type career.
89% chance he has a Frank Mason career.
What are the chances of a mugsy bogues career?
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What are the chances of a mugsy bogues career?
0%. Because Mugsy would not survive in today's NBA.
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0%. Because Mugsy would not survive in today's NBA.
How do you figure? It's less physical so he wouldn't be bullied as much, unless you mean outside shooting? Or has the average height risen?
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How do you figure? It's less physical so he wouldn't be bullied as much, unless you mean outside shooting? Or has the average height risen?
I'm being slightly hyperbolic, but he couldn't shoot and did a lot of his damage as a fast paced player in a slow paced era. I just don't see him having the edge today that made him successful then.
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Not necessarily up to date, but a relatively recent list of sub 6 ft players in the NBA.
https://fanbuzz.com/nba/shortest-nba-players/
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Not necessarily up to date, but a relatively recent list of sub 6 ft players in the NBA.
https://fanbuzz.com/nba/shortest-nba-players/
Calvin Murphy was an all time great in the NBA at 5-7 . Was incredible in college.
Also was a very good guy and great baton twirler.
Maybe Markus should study some old footage of Calvin. Might give him some insights into how to leverage his skills.
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I'm being slightly hyperbolic, but he couldn't shoot and did a lot of his damage as a fast paced player in a slow paced era. I just don't see him having the edge today that made him successful then.
44" vertical didn't hurt, and he was an assist/steals machine. He basically had everything Markus needs to add, and vice versa.
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How do you figure? It's less physical so he wouldn't be bullied as much, unless you mean outside shooting? Or has the average height risen?
The height difference is a big thing. He was very quick and could dart in and out in a slower paced game as was mentioned, but it’s one thing to avoid big/long slow centers in the paint. It’s another when you have guys guarding the perimeter who are 6’7 and super long. I don’t think he would be bullied as much as he would just get completely neutralized by length.
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The height difference is a big thing. He was very quick and could dart in and out in a slower paced game as was mentioned, but it’s one thing to avoid big/long slow centers in the paint. It’s another when you have guys guarding the perimeter who are 6’7 and super long. I don’t think he would be bullied as much as he would just get completely neutralized by length.
Bingo. In the NBA, Markus is going to have to regularly deal with defenders 6'5 and up who are as quick (or quicker) than him. He's Jimmer Fredette, minus two or three inches. Both were amazing college scorers, but the NBA is a different beast. There's a reason that a guy like Tyrell Terry gets drafted and Markus doesn't.
I think Markus will stick around under 2-way contracts for the next two seasons. But he's a very smart guy, and if he hasn't made a dent on a roster by that point, he'll move on to the next part of his career, whether that's overseas or some other basketball-centric business venture.
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44" vertical didn't hurt, and he was an assist/steals machine. He basically had everything Markus needs to add, and vice versa.
I think Markus could become a better steal producer. That is absolutely not part of Wojo's scheme and you can see it in the numbers. Howard's steal rate dropped every year he was here. I don't think it's because he got worse, but rather he stuck more to the defensive gameplan.
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Bingo. In the NBA, Markus is going to have to regularly deal with defenders 6'5 and up who are as quick (or quicker) than him. He's Jimmer Fredette, minus two or three inches. Both were amazing college scorers, but the NBA is a different beast. There's a reason that a guy like Tyrell Terry gets drafted and Markus doesn't.
I think Markus will stick around under 2-way contracts for the next two seasons. But he's a very smart guy, and if he hasn't made a dent on a roster by that point, he'll move on to the next part of his career, whether that's overseas or some other basketball-centric business venture.
+10000
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Calvin Murphy was an all time great in the NBA at 5-7 . Was incredible in college.
Also was a very good guy and great baton twirler.
Maybe Markus should study some old footage of Calvin. Might give him some insights into how to leverage his skills.
Yep - Murphy was amazing to watch. Unfortunately, if Markus couldn't become an elite defender, ball handler and passer in his 4 years at MU, I doubt he's gonna do it now.
I hope I am wrong, but I suspect Markus will make most of his money in Europe.
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Is the contract guaranteed?
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Bingo. In the NBA, Markus is going to have to regularly deal with defenders 6'5 and up who are as quick (or quicker) than him. He's Jimmer Fredette, minus two or three inches. Both were amazing college scorers, but the NBA is a different beast. There's a reason that a guy like Tyrell Terry gets drafted and Markus doesn't.
I think Markus will stick around under 2-way contracts for the next two seasons. But he's a very smart guy, and if he hasn't made a dent on a roster by that point, he'll move on to the next part of his career, whether that's overseas or some other basketball-centric business venture.
Jimmer Fredette is a great analogy.
https://www.ksl.com/article/46369099/ben-anderson-why-isnt-jimmer-in-the-nba#:~:text=Measuring%20in%20at%206%20feet,front%20of%20NBA%20caliber%20players.
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Stop moving the goalpost. First it was a career like McNeal. Then it’s a “big assumption” that he even gets called up to an NBA roster. Now it’s saying it’s will just be meaningless games like Vander...
There is no homer. I never said he would have a long and illustrious NBA career. I said he’s in a good situation and will get a shot with some actual NBA game time this year. He’s not fighting for a chance in Summer League, he’s not added as a emergency stop gap mid season. For someone who does not get drafted, being a 2 way player on a good team with a coach who values young talent (like Mike Malone) is a great situation.
He may end up playing for a high level European team by his mid 20s like Shane Larkin who actually was a first round pick, but he’s already got a leg up on McNeal and will play more NBA games his rookie season than McNeal did his whole career, that’s just the situation. And he’s already in a far better position NBA wise than Vander was at that age.
Totally agree with this. And that's without even taking in the COVID-19 factor; at any time, the Nuggets could have 3-4-5 players who can't play for a week or two, and Markus will be one of the first two players who get the call in those situations.
Some folks obviously don't know what a two-way contract means.
I think Markus will stick around under 2-way contracts for the next two seasons. But he's a very smart guy, and if he hasn't made a dent on a roster by that point, he'll move on to the next part of his career, whether that's overseas or some other basketball-centric business venture.
This is totally reasonable.
Yep - Murphy was amazing to watch.
My brother played against Murphy in high school, and it wasn't pretty. Murphy had a bazillion points by midway through the third quarter and his team won by a ton.
Murphy already was a superstar. My brother most definitely was not a basketball star at all ... although he did go on to get inducted in George Washington University's Athletic Hall of Fame after an award-winning crew career.
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Markus will make a little over $300,000 this year as a two way player. The two Two way players on each team occupy the 16th and 17th spots on the NBA roster. They get paid for 45 days on the NBA roster and the rest of the days on the G League. Practicing with the NBA team counts as a day.
Markus now has to make the most of his opportunity. When Vander finally got his big chance a few years ago with the Lakers it did not work out. When Dwight Buycks got his chance on the Two Way, he played well and the Pistons extended his contract for the rest of the year, unfortunately there was a coaching change the next year and he was the odd man out.
No days in the NBA are guaranteed. Markus could make as little as $70,000 this year if he is not called up.
However, due to relaxed restrictions, he probably will spend some considerable time as the 16th-17th roster spot in Denver this season. He won't get much time on the floor, but I bet he will be in a Nuggets jersey more than not, which is good from a financial perspective.
Career-wise, I could see him spending 2-3 years bouncing around between the G League and the NBA, then finally heading over to Europe to make some real money. Remember that he is still young (21), so he can afford to spend a few years chasing his dream, and then have plenty of time left to make enough cash in Europe to be comfortable for the rest of his life.
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No days in the NBA are guaranteed. Markus could make as little as $70,000 this year if he is not called up.
I wouldn't have minded that to be my starting salary after college with zero loans just saying little might not be the correct adjective there.
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For a professional basketball player, it's a pretty accurate word. Especially in contrast to the $300,000 in the post he's quoting.
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I wouldn't have minded that to be my starting salary after college with zero loans just saying little might not be the correct adjective there.
Fair point. But when the NBA rookie minimum is $800,000+, and Markus could easily make $500,000+ in Europe, $70,000 is not a lot of money.
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The plus side of Markus being in Europe in a few years is that we could see him on a TBT roster sooner than later, which is fun for us.
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The plus side of Markus being in Europe in a few years is that we could see him on a TBT roster sooner than later, which is fun for us.
Though it would mean neither Sam nor Joey will play for our TBT entry after their NBA careers flame out.
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The plus side of Markus being in Europe in a few years is that we could see him on a TBT roster sooner than later, which is fun for us.
Cancer is never "fun" my friend...
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No days in the NBA are guaranteed. Markus could make as little as $70,000 this year if he is not called up.
However, due to relaxed restrictions, he probably will spend some considerable time as the 16th-17th roster spot in Denver this season. He won't get much time on the floor, but I bet he will be in a Nuggets jersey more than not, which is good from a financial perspective.
Career-wise, I could see him spending 2-3 years bouncing around between the G League and the NBA, then finally heading over to Europe to make some real money. Remember that he is still young (21), so he can afford to spend a few years chasing his dream, and then have plenty of time left to make enough cash in Europe to be comfortable for the rest of his life.
As part of the free agent contract offer in a case like Markus where there are likely multiple suitors , the players are informally told they will get close to the maximum amount of days. Also Days are different than games. Practices count as days. So yes theoretically, they could get no days and they would then get 77,500 plus the 50,000 camp money and that would be 127,500. NBA wants these kids in the US so they all pay the full allocation.
Also very few people are getting $500,000 in Europe. It is more like $8-10k a month plus some allowances car and housing. A handful of the best most proven players over there get the larger contracts. Guys like DJO who have proven their worth over a long time in Foreign competition do get paid.
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As part of the free agent contract offer in a case like Markus where there are likely multiple suitors , the players are informally told they will get close to the maximum amount of days. Also Days are different than games. Practices count as days. So yes theoretically, they could get no days and they would then get 77,500 plus the 50,000 camp money and that would be 127,500. NBA wants these kids in the US so they all pay the full allocation.
Also very few people are getting $500,000 in Europe. It is more like $8-10k a month plus some allowances car and housing. A handful of the best most proven players over there get the larger contracts. Guys like DJO who have proven their worth over a long time in Foreign competition do get paid.
NBA has made changes to this season. Max level is based on games, not days.
I have no idea what Markus has been told or guaranteed. Neither do you. You're just speculating. If Markus was that hot of a commodity, he would have gotten drafted.
Markus could easily make over $500,000 in Europe. I wasn't saying that was the average salary or anything, but he was the leading scorer in college basketball. He will get paid overseas.
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Though it would mean neither Sam nor Joey will play for our TBT entry after their NBA careers flame out.
I wonder if Joe Chapman has received a 'letter' yet....
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Cancer is never "fun" my friend...
Gives "Sideline Cancer" an entirely different nuance.
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NBA has made changes to this season. Max level is based on games, not days.
I have no idea what Markus has been told or guaranteed. Neither do you. You're just speculating. If Markus was that hot of a commodity, he would have gotten drafted.
Markus could easily make over $500,000 in Europe. I wasn't saying that was the average salary or anything, but he was the leading scorer in college basketball. He will get paid overseas.
The better non drafted Free Agents have multiple offers many times they discuss who was interested , we have not had any interviews yet with Markus so we don't now who the other suitors were . The competition is how the better free agents milk milk a two way contract out of the situation versus a camp invite ( what Myles Powell got). I saw the two way days got changed to games . The upside of that is Markus benefits. NBA wants Markus here and not in Europe.
Markus someday could make good money in Europe. He would get something nice as a first year guy because of his pedigree. Then he would have to show performance to get to the levels your talking about. The game there is not a wide open run and gun style like the US.
The better place overseas for Markus game is China. They want and encourage Americans to run up big point totals and pay a lot for that. Markus could also make good money in Korea. They have a good reputation for actually paying their contracts on time .
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The better place overseas for Markus game is China. They want and encourage Americans to run up big point totals and pay a lot for that. Markus could also make good money in Korea. They have a good reputation for actually paying their contracts on time .
I agree with this
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Markus someday could make good money in Europe. He would get something nice as a first year guy because of his pedigree. Then he would have to show performance to get to the levels your talking about. The game there is not a wide open run and gun style like the US.
Really depends on team and fit. While I agree it’s not as open and down as the NBA, there is still a HEAVY emphasis on the 3 ball. I’ve watched a decent amount of Euroleague basketball over the last few years and what you notice, besides the INFURIATINGLY conservative approach to fast breaks and how often most PGs pull the ball out instead of pushing it, is how often drives that end up going to the rim in the NBA/NCAA, lead to wraparound or kick out passes for 3. His elite deep shooting prowess suits him well depending on the coach and team.
The better place overseas for Markus game is China. They want and encourage Americans to run up big point totals and pay a lot for that. Markus could also make good money in Korea. They have a good reputation for actually paying their contracts on time .
Now this I totally agree with. I have a couple good customers who are Chinese and CBA crazy so I’ll flip on games late/early to have some reference to chat with them about. The level of basketball is often extremely sloppy but it’s very much defense optional. And every good team’s American player/players has a green light that would make Markus’ green light from Wojo look downright conservative. Markus could easily average 30, no exaggeration, probably higher.
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I believe Markus becomes the second player(Scottie Reynolds) to go undrafted that made first team AA. Just a fun fact
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The level of basketball is often extremely sloppy but it’s very much defense optional. And every good team’s American player/players has a green light that would make Markus’ green light from Wojo look downright conservative. Markus could easily average 30, no exaggeration, probably higher.
What is considered "good pay" in China?
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What is considered "good pay" in China?
Jimmer Fredette got a 2 year, $3.6 million deal. ($1.8 million per year. )
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I looked at the bio's of the top HS recruits -- all except were 6-6 or taller. I think MH has a tough challenge, and ends up in Europe.
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From today's New Haven Register.
MEN’S BASKETBALL NOTEBOOK
Big East came up small in NBA Draft
By David Borges
The Big East was the best conference in the nation last season.
Don’t take our word for it, take a look at the conference NET rankings. The Big East was No. 1, followed by the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12, SEC, ACC and the American. The league had four teams (Creighton, Villanova, Seton Hall and Butler) in the final AP Top 25 of the season.
And yet among the “Power Six” (or even “Power Seven”) conferences at the 2020 NBA Draft on Wednesday night, the Big East was the worst. Only two players from Big East teams were among the 60 selected in the two rounds: Villanova’s Saddiq Bey, the league’s only first-rounder, and DePaul’s Paul Reed, who was the third-to-last player picked.
That means the Big East had half as many players selected as the Mountain West, and the same amount — gasp! — the AAC, the Huskies’ home the past seven seasons. And the AAC boasted a pair of first-rounders. That oughta sit well with UConn fans.
Conversely, the SEC had 12 draft picks, followed by the Pac 12 (10), ACC (nine), Big 12 and Mountain West (four each) and Big Ten (three).
Perhaps even more telling, however, is the Big East players who weren’t selected. Myles Powell, the league’s reigning Player of the Year, and Markus Howard, the Big East’s all-time leading scorer, both went undrafted. So did Ty-Shon Alexander and Naji Marshall, both of whom entered the draft after their junior seasons and would have made their respective teams, Creighton and Xavier, much stronger this season.
So what gives? Once again, NBA teams draft largely on athleticism and potential and aren’t overly concerned with what kind of college career a player had. In fact, seniors are often shunned in the draft, particularly in the first round. Why waste a pick that comes with guaranteed money when you can likely sign a seasoned player like Powell or Howard as an undrafted free agent in the hours after the draft?
It feels like more and more, the NBA draft is dominated by physical specimens who play one season for a middling Power Five team, put up decent numbers and proceed straight to the lottery. Of the 48 American college players selected in this year’s draft, about half played on teams that almost certainly weren’t going to the NCAA tournament last March, barring a miracle in their respective conference tourneys.
Great four-year players like Powell, Howard, Ryan Boatright get left on the outside looking in.
This year’s No. 1 overall pick was Anthony Edwards, who “led” Georgia to a 5-13 record in the SEC as a freshman last season. In an interview just before the draft, Edwards said he’d rather be playing football, doesn’t even watch basketball and “loves” the sport only because it’s what he does. The No. 2 overall pick was James Wiseman, who played just three games last season at Memphis before issues surrounding his recruitment led him to quit the team to get ready for the NBA.
Juxtapose that against a guy like Christian Vital, who put his heart and soul into every second he was on the court. But Edwards is a 6-foot-5, 220-pound guard who can score from anywhere on the floor (and doesn’t particularly care for defense). Wiseman is a 7-foot center busting with potential. So, they’re No. 1 and 2 overall, and Vital is playing in Germany.
Incidentally, it makes you wonder whether UConn’s James Bouknight would have been selected on Wednesday night had he decided to declare after his freshman season. Gotta believe someone would have taken a late-first round flyer on the 6-5, super-smooth athlete.
Drafting on size and potential is nothing new, really. It’s why Hasheem Thabeet was the No. 2 overall pick in 2009 and Boatright never really got a sniff of the NBA. Who was a better college player, Andre Drummond or Khalid El-Amin? Who was an NBA lottery pick (correctly so, it turns out) and who spent most of his career playing overseas?
This doesn’t take anything away from the Big East as a conference. It says more about the NBA. Former Providence Journal columnist Bill Reynolds once wrote, “The problem with the NBA is that there’s a place for Chris Dudley and none for Pepe Sanchez.” Same holds true today, just change the names.
The Big East has routinely been one of the top five leagues in the country since the split in 2013. It will be good again this season, thanks in no small part to the return of UConn. It’s got a pair of potential first-rounders in Bouknight and Villanova’s Jeremiah Robinson-Earle, both sophomores.
The best basketball might still be played in the Big East. But many of the players with the potential and “upside” NBA scouts drool over will play in other leagues.
WHEELER KEEPS ROLLING
Last week’s Big East men’s basketball notebook listed the various Connecticut products currently playing Division 1 basketball. Regretfully, we forgot to mention Stamford’s Aaron Wheeler, who is beginning his junior season at Purdue.
Wheeler, a 6-foot-9 junior who sat out his first season at Purdue as a red-shirt, averaged 3.6 points and 4.2 rebounds per game last season for the Boilermakers. He played for two years under Mike Walsh at Trinity Catholic before transferring to St. Andrew’s, then Brewster Academy, where he was named MVP in the 2017 National Prep Championship game.
Wheeler was recruited heavily by Dan Hurley (when Hurley was still at Rhode Island) and Providence’s Ed Cooley, along with Pittsburgh, Seton Hall and Temple, before ultimately opting for Purdue.
His father, William, Jr., was a 1,000-point scorer at Manhattan, and his uncle was a co-captain at Yale.
david.borges @hearstmediact.com
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Kant blame Edwards four Georgia's chitty record. He wuzant da coach, aina?
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I think Marcus will have a career similar to Jerel McNeal.
Maybe.
But Markus has one elite-level skill. Jerel did not.
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From today's New Haven Register.
MEN’S BASKETBALL NOTEBOOK
Big East came up small in NBA Draft
By David Borges
The Big East was the best conference in the nation last season.
Don’t take our word for it, take a look at the conference NET rankings. The Big East was No. 1, followed by the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 12, SEC, ACC and the American. The league had four teams (Creighton, Villanova, Seton Hall and Butler) in the final AP Top 25 of the season.
And yet among the “Power Six” (or even “Power Seven”) conferences at the 2020 NBA Draft on Wednesday night, the Big East was the worst. Only two players from Big East teams were among the 60 selected in the two rounds: Villanova’s Saddiq Bey, the league’s only first-rounder, and DePaul’s Paul Reed, who was the third-to-last player picked.
That means the Big East had half as many players selected as the Mountain West, and the same amount — gasp! — the AAC, the Huskies’ home the past seven seasons. And the AAC boasted a pair of first-rounders. That oughta sit well with UConn fans.
Conversely, the SEC had 12 draft picks, followed by the Pac 12 (10), ACC (nine), Big 12 and Mountain West (four each) and Big Ten (three).
Perhaps even more telling, however, is the Big East players who weren’t selected. Myles Powell, the league’s reigning Player of the Year, and Markus Howard, the Big East’s all-time leading scorer, both went undrafted. So did Ty-Shon Alexander and Naji Marshall, both of whom entered the draft after their junior seasons and would have made their respective teams, Creighton and Xavier, much stronger this season.
So what gives? Once again, NBA teams draft largely on athleticism and potential and aren’t overly concerned with what kind of college career a player had. In fact, seniors are often shunned in the draft, particularly in the first round. Why waste a pick that comes with guaranteed money when you can likely sign a seasoned player like Powell or Howard as an undrafted free agent in the hours after the draft?
It feels like more and more, the NBA draft is dominated by physical specimens who play one season for a middling Power Five team, put up decent numbers and proceed straight to the lottery. Of the 48 American college players selected in this year’s draft, about half played on teams that almost certainly weren’t going to the NCAA tournament last March, barring a miracle in their respective conference tourneys.
Great four-year players like Powell, Howard, Ryan Boatright get left on the outside looking in.
This year’s No. 1 overall pick was Anthony Edwards, who “led” Georgia to a 5-13 record in the SEC as a freshman last season. In an interview just before the draft, Edwards said he’d rather be playing football, doesn’t even watch basketball and “loves” the sport only because it’s what he does. The No. 2 overall pick was James Wiseman, who played just three games last season at Memphis before issues surrounding his recruitment led him to quit the team to get ready for the NBA.
Juxtapose that against a guy like Christian Vital, who put his heart and soul into every second he was on the court. But Edwards is a 6-foot-5, 220-pound guard who can score from anywhere on the floor (and doesn’t particularly care for defense). Wiseman is a 7-foot center busting with potential. So, they’re No. 1 and 2 overall, and Vital is playing in Germany.
Incidentally, it makes you wonder whether UConn’s James Bouknight would have been selected on Wednesday night had he decided to declare after his freshman season. Gotta believe someone would have taken a late-first round flyer on the 6-5, super-smooth athlete.
Drafting on size and potential is nothing new, really. It’s why Hasheem Thabeet was the No. 2 overall pick in 2009 and Boatright never really got a sniff of the NBA. Who was a better college player, Andre Drummond or Khalid El-Amin? Who was an NBA lottery pick (correctly so, it turns out) and who spent most of his career playing overseas?
This doesn’t take anything away from the Big East as a conference. It says more about the NBA. Former Providence Journal columnist Bill Reynolds once wrote, “The problem with the NBA is that there’s a place for Chris Dudley and none for Pepe Sanchez.” Same holds true today, just change the names.
The Big East has routinely been one of the top five leagues in the country since the split in 2013. It will be good again this season, thanks in no small part to the return of UConn. It’s got a pair of potential first-rounders in Bouknight and Villanova’s Jeremiah Robinson-Earle, both sophomores.
The best basketball might still be played in the Big East. But many of the players with the potential and “upside” NBA scouts drool over will play in other leagues.
WHEELER KEEPS ROLLING
Last week’s Big East men’s basketball notebook listed the various Connecticut products currently playing Division 1 basketball. Regretfully, we forgot to mention Stamford’s Aaron Wheeler, who is beginning his junior season at Purdue.
Wheeler, a 6-foot-9 junior who sat out his first season at Purdue as a red-shirt, averaged 3.6 points and 4.2 rebounds per game last season for the Boilermakers. He played for two years under Mike Walsh at Trinity Catholic before transferring to St. Andrew’s, then Brewster Academy, where he was named MVP in the 2017 National Prep Championship game.
Wheeler was recruited heavily by Dan Hurley (when Hurley was still at Rhode Island) and Providence’s Ed Cooley, along with Pittsburgh, Seton Hall and Temple, before ultimately opting for Purdue.
His father, William, Jr., was a 1,000-point scorer at Manhattan, and his uncle was a co-captain at Yale.
david.borges @hearstmediact.com
The Big East does very well on the court when the league is in the part of its roster cycle when teams are heavy with Juniors and Seniors. That was the case in the league last year. As this article points out NBA drafts for potential rather than performance. So not surprising that few players were drafted from the Big East . Villanova has been able to consistently recruit draft worthy players because of the very long term strength of their program. Everyone else in the league can come up with a player every once in a while. Our conference got a little bit stronger with the addition of U Conn . I think over time the strength of the conference will help all the teams in recruiting draft worthy talent.
Will be interesting to see if Sam Hauser is drafted. He seems to be a consensus preseason All ACC , yet not on any mock drafts.
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Came across this today.
The Nuggets’ training camp took another step forward as head coach Michael Malone held his first full practice of the season Sunday. With the entire roster on hand, Malone introduced his seven new players by showcasing their skills in a highlight reel to the returning members of the team.
Wonder what was on it for Markus.
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Came across this today.
The Nuggets’ training camp took another step forward as head coach Michael Malone held his first full practice of the season Sunday. With the entire roster on hand, Malone introduced his seven new players by showcasing their skills in a highlight reel to the returning members of the team.
Wonder what was on it for Markus.
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/l0ErBdKr1fnFRZIbu/giphy.gif)
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Really depends on team and fit. While I agree it’s not as open and down as the NBA, there is still a HEAVY emphasis on the 3 ball. I’ve watched a decent amount of Euroleague basketball over the last few years and what you notice, besides the INFURIATINGLY conservative approach to fast breaks and how often most PGs pull the ball out instead of pushing it, is how often drives that end up going to the rim in the NBA/NCAA, lead to wraparound or kick out passes for 3. His elite deep shooting prowess suits him well depending on the coach and team.
Now this I totally agree with. I have a couple good customers who are Chinese and CBA crazy so I’ll flip on games late/early to have some reference to chat with them about. The level of basketball is often extremely sloppy but it’s very much defense optional. And every good team’s American player/players has a green light that would make Markus’ green light from Wojo look downright conservative. Markus could easily average 30, no exaggeration, probably higher.
Yep, China has no problems with Import players gunning. Jimmer dropped 73 and 75 in a game and averaged almost 38 ppg Contrast that to the Philippines (PBA) where Imports are on non-guaranteed contracts and can be cut (not uncommon in other countries too). Our old buddy Quemont Greer was cut despite being the leading scorer for his team because the Filipino players didn't like his style of play. I could see Markus falling into that category. Of course, if he can get citizenship in a country (like Travis did in Italy) then he can be considered a "domestic" player and end up with a "domestic" contract.
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Came across this today.
The Nuggets’ training camp took another step forward as head coach Michael Malone held his first full practice of the season Sunday. With the entire roster on hand, Malone introduced his seven new players by showcasing their skills in a highlight reel to the returning members of the team.
Wonder what was on it for Markus.
I think the music highlights for Markus were:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWY8UyW9bw
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I think the music highlights for Markus were:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIWY8UyW9bw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36OHZ51o2qo
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Came across this today.
The Nuggets’ training camp took another step forward as head coach Michael Malone held his first full practice of the season Sunday. With the entire roster on hand, Malone introduced his seven new players by showcasing their skills in a highlight reel to the returning members of the team.
Wonder what was on it for Markus.
30 point half.
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Markus sighting on Nugget’s twitter feed: https://twitter.com/nuggets/status/1336052731388207105?s=20 (https://twitter.com/nuggets/status/1336052731388207105?s=20)
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Markus sighting on Nugget’s twitter feed: https://twitter.com/nuggets/status/1336052731388207105?s=20 (https://twitter.com/nuggets/status/1336052731388207105?s=20)
He passed the ball? Wtf?
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He passed the ball? Wtf?
To Bol effen Bol!
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More on markus
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/training-camp-20201207
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More on markus
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/training-camp-20201207
Markus continues to be an excellent representative for the University.
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Jeremy Lin is 6'3.
I wasn't comparing them as players. I used Lin as a comp for the type of career potential I project for MH.
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More on markus
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/training-camp-20201207
Very good interview with Markus. Clearly understands he is in a steep learning curve. He disclosed that he had many offers from other teams and picked Denver as the best fit. .
Markus is definitely Representing MU well.
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frank mason like career
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Cancer
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Good Assessment of Markus .
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2020/12/3/22149187/nuggets-newcomer-what-denver-nuggets-can-expect-from-markus-howard-nba-draft-regular-season-preview
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Good Assessment of Markus .
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2020/12/3/22149187/nuggets-newcomer-what-denver-nuggets-can-expect-from-markus-howard-nba-draft-regular-season-preview
Thanks. That is a good assessment.
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Markus got in at the end of Denver's last game and shows up in some highlights:
https://youtu.be/WDKhcrzl14Y?t=519
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Cool that Markus buried his 1 attempt from deep even if it was preseason.
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Markus got in at the end of Denver's last game and shows up in some highlights:
https://youtu.be/WDKhcrzl14Y?t=519
You can fast forward to about the 9:05 mark.
Or here's a GIF:
https://twitter.com/burner_craig/status/1339426480611319808
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You can fast forward to about the 9:05 mark.
Or here's a GIF:
https://twitter.com/burner_craig/status/1339426480611319808
Fair enough, I posted from the first spot where he's shown, where he is playing D on someone larger than him, which is something I'm curious about. Definitely cool to see him drill a tough 3!
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You can fast forward to about the 9:05 mark.
Or here's a GIF:
https://twitter.com/burner_craig/status/1339426480611319808
Leap back 3 to barely clear the defender's hand.
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Leap back 3 to barely clear the defender's hand.
Yes, just imagine what it would be like if he gets a chance to play off ball with Jamal Murray, and has "easy" shots.
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Glad to see Markus get his first bucket
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Glad to see Markus get his first bucket
Really hoping he gets a legit chance. If he does, he will succeed.
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NBA increased game day roster size to 15 players, up from 13 players. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30540233/coaches-challenge-stays-nba-game-night-rosters-go-15 (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30540233/coaches-challenge-stays-nba-game-night-rosters-go-15)
Anyone know if Markus is trending toward making the Nuggets Top 15?
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NBA increased game day roster size to 15 players, up from 13 players. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30540233/coaches-challenge-stays-nba-game-night-rosters-go-15 (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30540233/coaches-challenge-stays-nba-game-night-rosters-go-15)
Anyone know if Markus is trending toward making the Nuggets Top 15?
In a word, no. His minutes will come either from load management from top guards or injuries. Outside of Murray, Harris, and Morris, his time at the 1/2 will be taken up by RJ Hampton and PJ Dozier, then Campazzo. He’ll get minutes at some point and the Nuggets style of play fits him, but it’s a team stacked with solid or promising guards
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NBA increased game day roster size to 15 players, up from 13 players. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30540233/coaches-challenge-stays-nba-game-night-rosters-go-15 (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30540233/coaches-challenge-stays-nba-game-night-rosters-go-15)
Anyone know if Markus is trending toward making the Nuggets Top 15?
0 chance.
Hes like 20th off the bench right now.
He will get a chance at some point this year though.
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0 chance.
Hes like 20th off the bench right now.
He will get a chance at some point this year though.
The Nuggets website lists 17 guys on the roster, including Markus. Sad to hear some of Lazar's ghosts getting PT over Markus and pushing him back to 20th. Thought he had God on his side :(
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/roster# (https://www.nba.com/nuggets/roster#)
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The Nuggets website lists 17 guys on the roster, including Markus. Sad to hear some of Lazar's ghosts getting PT over Markus and pushing him back to 20th. Thought he had God on his side :(
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/roster# (https://www.nba.com/nuggets/roster#)
Haha yeah idk how many there actually are. Just remember I looked at their box score last weekend when he didnt even get in and I had to scroll to get through all the guys off the bench that did play. And I think like 4 of them were guards.
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He played 3 minutes last night in a Denver 33 point blowout. Thats not a good sign for him. In three pre season games, he played eight minutes total, seeing the time in two games. All at the very end of games. Still don't understand his reasoning signing with Denver with all their capable guards, but good luck to him.
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He played 3 minutes last night in a Denver 33 point blowout. Thats not a good sign for him. In three pre season games, he played eight minutes total, seeing the time in two games. All at the very end of games. Still don't understand his reasoning signing with Denver with all their capable guards, but good luck to him.
I think Denver signed the Small foreign point guard at the time they signed Markus. So in a way Markus got recruited over . Markus will have to prove himself as a point guard in practice.
The good news is Markus has a two way contract , which keeps him close to the Nuggets for a year to evaluate him.
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Still don't understand his reasoning signing with Denver with all their capable guards, but good luck to him.
That’s what I don’t understand either.
MH had choices, and I get that anywhere he went would be an uphill battle, but DEN seems like a huge mountain to climb.
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Denver Post Interview with Markus. Markus explains his logic .
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/12/12/nuggets-markus-howard-marquette-ncaa/
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Markus is no dummy.
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Would Fred Vanvleet be a good comparison in terms of a ceiling for Markus? Obviously not a one-to-one comparison, but just throwing it out there when you look at offensive skillset and being undrafted. Short term reality is probably a little less bright though.
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Would Fred Vanvleet be a good comparison in terms of a ceiling for Markus? Obviously not a one-to-one comparison, but just throwing it out there when you look at offensive skillset and being undrafted. Short term reality is probably a little less bright though.
It's hard to find a great comparison because of Markus' height, body type and skillset. VanVleet is a decent one. Isaiah Thomas. Others have mentioned Jimmer Fredette. VanVleet is stockier and a tenacious defender. As I said, it's tough to find a match, really.
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It's hard to find a great comparison because of Markus' height, body type and skillset. VanVleet is a decent one. Isaiah Thomas. Others have mentioned Jimmer Fredette. VanVleet is stockier and a tenacious defender. As I said, it's tough to find a match, really.
Yeah that's fair. I found an interesting article about Vanvleet's defensive mindset and development via Auburn days despite similar challenges that Markus has. His steals per game doubled over the past season.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/giant-slayer-how-raptors-fred-vanvleet-reaches-great-heights-on-defense/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/giant-slayer-how-raptors-fred-vanvleet-reaches-great-heights-on-defense/)
If Markus wants to have similar success, may need to take a page from his book. Although you can't exactly change his frame or develop intangible PG distribution skills.
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Would Fred Vanvleet be a good comparison in terms of a ceiling for Markus? Obviously not a one-to-one comparison, but just throwing it out there when you look at offensive skillset and being undrafted. Short term reality is probably a little less bright though.
Anyone from Greta Van Fleet probably has as much chance as Markus does of playing meaningful NBA minutes.
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He played 3 minutes last night in a Denver 33 point blowout. Thats not a good sign for him. In three pre season games, he played eight minutes total, seeing the time in two games. All at the very end of games. Still don't understand his reasoning signing with Denver with all their capable guards, but good luck to him.
Markus is with a really strong agency in Priority Sports. Their lead, Mark Bartelstein, has a lot of juice in the NBA. This absolutely could have been as a favor to Mark and to give Markus some incumbency. I'm am not saying that was the reason it happened, but it could have been. In any case, kudos to Markus for signing with Priority. They are a really good outfit who absolutely take care of their guys.
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Markus is with a really strong agency in Priority Sports. Their lead, Mark Bartelstein, has a lot of juice in the NBA. This absolutely could have been as a favor to Mark and to give Markus some incumbency. I'm am not saying that was the reason it happened, but it could have been. In any case, kudos to Markus for signing with Priority. They are a really good outfit who absolutely take care of their guys.
They also made sure to place him on an elite team. Gives him cover to learn the NBA by observing and not be called on unless the team has deep injury issues, which will also lower expectations for his impact. A winning scenario all the way around for an unheralded rookie.
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They also made sure to place him on an elite team. Gives him cover to learn the NBA by observing and not be called on unless the team has deep injury issues, which will also lower expectations for his impact. A winning scenario all the way around for an unheralded rookie.
Perhaps ... but there usually aren't very big expectations for undrafted free agents. Fans rarely say, "We can have a great season as long as (insert undrafted guy's name) is a stud."
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0 chance.
Hes like 20th off the bench right now.
He will get a chance at some point this year though.
Looks like he made it?
https://www.espn.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den/denver-nuggets
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401266795
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He passed the ball? Wtf?
hack on Markus, but hows MU doing w/o MH? The guy was the reason to watch MU the past few seasons. Could go off for 50 any night out. 1st team All American. Wooden Award finalist. Brought a ton of pub to what was otherwise a dull program. Shoot too much? Thats on the coach. MH did what the coach allowed. Will his game transfer to the NBA?
Spud Webb made the NBA. Different skill-set, but a shooter like MH will make it too. In a more wide-open pro game, that quick release deep 3-ball will garner respect.
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Sometimes I think the participants on this board know more about the NBA than NCAA basketball.
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Looks like he made it?
https://www.espn.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den/denver-nuggets
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401266795
Congrats to Marquette's latest addition to the NBA.
I guess he had better than 0 chance.
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Looks like he made it?
https://www.espn.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den/denver-nuggets
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401266795
His salary :P
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His salary :P
He is on a 2-way contract. Rules for this year leaves these guys much on the roster, but not with an NBA contract.
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He is on a 2-way contract. Rules for this year leaves these guys much on the roster, but not with an NBA contract.
This article refers to the two - way contracts being worth about $500,000 this year. So for Markus and Juan a good deal.
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Markus now has a player on NBA2k
https://twitter.com/Ck1Creations/status/1341834643398639619?s=20
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep8nebqWMAAY9_V?format=jpg&name=small)
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Looks like he made it?
https://www.espn.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/den/denver-nuggets
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401266795
He came into the game with the Nuggets down 13 with 26 seconds left. The Clippers ran down the shot clock to 2 seconds. The Nuggets inbounded the ball to Markus and he launched one from the mid-court logo at the buzzer. It rimmed out.
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Nuggets got their first win of the season. Everyone on their bench played but MH.
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401267204
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Jokic with a triple double with EIGHTEEN assists.
Over/under on thar many assists in Markus' career?
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Jokic with a triple double with EIGHTEEN assists.
Over/under on thar many assists in Markus' career?
Over. Smack the over. Buycks played 20 games in his random cups of coffee with the Raps and Lakers and had 24 assists. Given injuries and rest, I would bet Markus sees 5 min stretches a half dozen times this season. That will be enough to get him a handful and make a big chunk of that total.
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Nuggets coach left the starters in until the final 55 seconds up 20.
Markus only got 55 seconds of run.
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The Facundo comparison is interesting g. Also listed at 5'11" (I know Markus actually shorter) but is seeing significant run. Sure he was a previous pro and Argentian national player, but Markus was a first team AA and NCAA scoring champ. Shows that at that size passing and D clearly much more valued than ability to score (although 15pts in 20 min ain't bad there either)
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So Markus has more NBA minutes than Jerel right?
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Nuggets coach left the starters in until the final 55 seconds up 20.
Markus only got 55 seconds of run.
True story...
My son played a little basketball, but wasn't very good. He topped out at Freshman basketball and we were surprised he even made that team. He was one of the last guys on the bench. One day in a blow out, the coach waited until 0:23 to put him in. I was a little annoyed, but we were used to him not playing much. What really got me was when he took him out on the next whistle eight seconds later when the other team lost the ball out of bounds.
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The Facundo comparison is interesting g. Also listed at 5'11" (I know Markus actually shorter) but is seeing significant run. Sure he was a previous pro and Argentian national player, but Markus was a first team AA and NCAA scoring champ. Shows that at that size passing and D clearly much more valued than ability to score (although 15pts in 20 min ain't bad there either)
It’s actually not fair at all to Markus. Campozzo spent the last 4 years running the point for one of the top 4-5 best non-NBA teams and was all Spanish League first or second team the last 4 years. And he wasn’t first team in 17 or ‘18 cause he was playing behind Luka Doncic. He managed to be Second Team all league as a backup PG. Plus he’s a PG and he’s nearly 30. He’s a seasoned vet pro whose natural position is PG, Markus is none of those. College accolades are nothing compared to what he’s accomplished
If Markus put up the numbers he did while playing PG, it’s a different story.
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Perhaps Howard could have chosen to sign with a team where competition was not so keen for playing time. Or maybe this was the best situation given the options available to him. Anyways, good luck to Markus, hey?
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Perhaps Howard could have chosen to sign with a team where competition was not so keen for playing time. Or maybe this was the best situation given the options available to him. Anyways, good luck to Markus, hey?
Looks like the Nuggets gave Markus competition, Campazzo, extended changes to prove himself and he finally came through last night. Made 5 threes and played pesky defense.
https://www.denverpost.com/2021/01/03/nuggets-facundo-campazzo-game-changer/
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It’s actually not fair at all to Markus. Campozzo spent the last 4 years running the point for one of the top 4-5 best non-NBA teams and was all Spanish League first or second team the last 4 years. And he wasn’t first team in 17 or ‘18 cause he was playing behind Luka Doncic. He managed to be Second Team all league as a backup PG. Plus he’s a PG and he’s nearly 30. He’s a seasoned vet pro whose natural position is PG, Markus is none of those. College accolades are nothing compared to what he’s accomplished
If Markus put up the numbers he did while playing PG, it’s a different story.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure NCAA 1st team AA is a substantially better accolade than Spanish League 1st team. Just look at the alumni lists of both.
That said, my point was that clearly being 5'11" ultimately isn't an issue for logging meaningful minutes on a NCAA roster in 2021. Not being a true "PG" at the size appears to be.
I know Markus "worked on it" at MU, but if he/Wojo would have really focused on him getting the ball more to teammates rather than taking FGAs last year I wonder if his stock wouldn't have risen. He was at 19.3 FGAs which is insane. Passing a bit more would probably have reduced his scoring, but also increased his assists and reduced his TOs.
So let's say he goes from 27.8/3.3/3.4 to 21/5/3 - might the latter line have severed him better in the draft?
And not to go back to Hausers, but might it not have been better for his NBA prospects to have taken advantage of being able to distribute to those guys rather than to score a few more buckets?
Again, without being behind the locker-room doors it is hard to know who was behind the "Markus first" approach of the last two seasons. But it seems the "max scoring" approach wasn't ideal for maximizing his NBA chances.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure NCAA 1st team AA is a substantially better accolade than Spanish League 1st team. Just look at the alumni lists of both.
That said, my point was that clearly being 5'11" ultimately isn't an issue for logging meaningful minutes on a NCAA roster in 2021. Not being a true "PG" at the size appears to be.
I know Markus "worked on it" at MU, but if he/Wojo would have really focused on him getting the ball more to teammates rather than taking FGAs last year I wonder if his stock wouldn't have risen. He was at 19.3 FGAs which is insane. Passing a bit more would probably have reduced his scoring, but also increased his assists and reduced his TOs.
So let's say he goes from 27.8/3.3/3.4 to 21/5/3 - might the latter line have severed him better in the draft?
And not to go back to Hausers, but might it not have been better for his NBA prospects to have taken advantage of being able to distribute to those guys rather than to score a few more buckets?
Again, without being behind the locker-room doors it is hard to know who was behind the "Markus first" approach of the last two seasons. But it seems the "max scoring" approach wasn't ideal for maximizing his NBA chances.
The talent in the NBA is unbelievable, and pretty much every single guy on the floor at any given time can hit the open three. Those guys just make everything. So while Markus' shooting is enough to get him on a roster, what he can do isn't really that special when you put him up against all the other players in the league. Combine that with his height and the fact that he can't guard NBA players, and you have a guy who'll probably surpass Vander as the G-League's all time leading scorer and will occasionally get on an NBA roster as a 10th-12th man. But that's about it. He isn't even close to being in the Nuggets' rotation right now.
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...and you have a guy who'll probably surpass Vander as the G-League's all time leading scorer...
I didn't believe this when I read it, but Vander is absolutely the #2 all time leading scorer in the GLeague behind Renaldo Major. He needs about 200-some points to catch up. Is he on a GL roster this season?
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure NCAA 1st team AA is a substantially better accolade than Spanish League 1st team. Just look at the alumni lists of both.
That said, my point was that clearly being 5'11" ultimately isn't an issue for logging meaningful minutes on a NCAA roster in 2021. Not being a true "PG" at the size appears to be.
The teams that Campazzo played against night in and night out the last 4 years would absolutely obliterate basically every team Markus put up his numbers against. That’s not up for debate. Sure most of those guys on the Liga ACB 1st team wouldn’t be major NBA contributors...but then again neither are the majority of NCAA AAs when drafted or in the league a year or 2.
But as for height, we’ve been saying that for months with Markus, PGs can be smaller cause they are handling the ball off the dribble more and defenses need to sag due to their threat to pass. If you have top level PG skills, you can be 5’9 and make it work
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The teams that Campazzo played against night in and night out the last 4 years would absolutely obliterate basically every team Markus put up his numbers against. That’s not up for debate. Sure most of those guys on the Liga ACB 1st team wouldn’t be major NBA contributors...but then again neither are the majority of NCAA AAs when drafted or in the league a year or 2.
But as for height, we’ve been saying that for months with Markus, PGs can be smaller cause they are handling the ball off the dribble more and defenses need to sag due to their threat to pass. If you have top level PG skills, you can be 5’9 and make it work
JJ Barea 5'-10" 14 yrs NBA
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Markus has scored in the NBA
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Markus has scored in the NBA
Was he shooting while his team was trailing under a minute left? Because if he was my god is he the absolute worst.
In all seriousness, good for him. It won’t be the last time.
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Markus had 2 points and an assist in 2 minutes on 1-3 shooting. Denver beat The Knicks 114-89.
Happy for his success and wish him more .
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That is great news! Happy for MH!
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Markus had 2 points and an assist in 2 minutes on 1-3 shooting. Denver beat The Knicks 114-89.
Happy for his success and wish him more .
Took 3 shots in 2 minutes. Of course he did.
Happy for MH, though. Hopefully these are the first points of many
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Markus had 2 points and an assist in 2 minutes on 1-3 shooting. Denver beat The Knicks 114-89.
Happy for his success and wish him more .
So he finally won a game in MSG, eh?
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So he finally won a game in MSG, eh?
Hey!
We waxed the Johnnies before the Seton Hall fight club game.
That was one of our only wins the last 1.5 months of the season.
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5 possessions, 3 shots. The boy likes to shoot!
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5 possessions, 3 shots. The boy likes to shoot!
I don't think they signed him to a contract for his rebounding.
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I don't think they signed him to a contract for his rebounding.
And completely ignoring the goal of those late minutes, which is to get players reps in what they do well. It’s feed Bol, Hampton, and Markus and get them shots. Both Hampton (as a first round pick who had been on NBA radars for awhile) and Bol (as a much talked about second year guy) likely attracted more attention which gives Markus opportunities. Malone wasn’t putting Markus in there to patiently work the offense and make crisp entry passes to the post.
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So far is has logged a total of 10 minutes in the NBA.
During that time:
2 for 9 FG shooting (4 points)
0 for 6 3P shooting
1 assist, 2 fouls
15 shots in 10 minutes. I guess that is why he gets paid.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4065805/markus-howard
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So far is has logged a total of 10 minutes in the NBA.
During that time:
2 for 9 FG shooting (4 points)
0 for 6 3P shooting
1 assist, 2 fouls
15 shots in 10 minutes. I guess that is why he gets paid.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4065805/markus-howard
If he is 2 for 9 on FGs he has taken 9 shots in 10 minutes.
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A shame that Markus is not ahead of Campazzo on that roster who is pretty much a complete nothing that somehow gets minutes. It looks like Markus was not on the 15 man roster last night, so hopefully he makes it back soon.
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A shame that Markus is not ahead of Campazzo on that roster who is pretty much a complete nothing that somehow gets minutes. It looks like Markus was not on the 15 man roster last night, so hopefully he makes it back soon.
Campazzo getting paid big bucks so the Nuggets are going to play him. The Nuggets spent a ton of time scouting him. Markus agent obviously didn’t do his research on the situation
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/12/20/facundo-campazzo-denver-nuggets-real-madrid-spain/
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A shame that Markus is not ahead of Campazzo on that roster who is pretty much a complete nothing that somehow gets minutes. It looks like Markus was not on the 15 man roster last night, so hopefully he makes it back soon.
Was that bound to happen because of the two-way, or was there some expectation this year that basically the two-way guys would pretty much be available to be on the roster for every game (if the coach wanted them to be)
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If he is 2 for 9 on FGs he has taken 9 shots in 10 minutes.
His game minutes have gone from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4. Just a matter of time before he is playing 48/game, obviously.
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His game minutes have gone from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4. Just a matter of time before he is playing 48/game, obviously.
And hoisting 98 shots a game!
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Campazzo getting paid big bucks so the Nuggets are going to play him. The Nuggets spent a ton of time scouting him. Markus agent obviously didn’t do his research on the situation
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/12/20/facundo-campazzo-denver-nuggets-real-madrid-spain/
A shame that Markus is not ahead of Campazzo on that roster who is pretty much a complete nothing that somehow gets minutes. It looks like Markus was not on the 15 man roster last night, so hopefully he makes it back soon.
Campazzo is a pure PG who comes in to facilitate and run the offense. That is not Markus’ role. He’s a pure scorer and unfortunately Denver has a lot of those. Campazzo can do a ton of things that Markus cannot and that’s why he’s playing.
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Markus buries 2 threes last night. His per 40 minute averages are pretty good.
P/40 R/40 A/40 TS% AST TO USG REBR PER WINPERCENT WARP
30.8 0.0 9.2 45.5 21.4 -1.0 37.9 0.0 14.88 - -
Data provided by Elias Sports Bureau
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And hoisting 98 shots a game!
Just like college.
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Markus buries 2 threes last night. His per 40 minute averages are pretty good.
P/40 R/40 A/40 TS% AST TO USG REBR PER WINPERCENT WARP
30.8 0.0 9.2 45.5 21.4 -1.0 37.9 0.0 14.88 - -
Data provided by Elias Sports Bureau
Got his career high last night against former DePaul great Max Strus who logged 17 minutes for the heat.
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Congrats to Markus
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3-21 from three on the season, 6-30 overall. He got 10 minutes against Boston but went 0-4 from the field.
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3-21 from three on the season, 6-30 overall. He got 10 minutes against Boston but went 0-4 from the field.
Markus is gonna need some time to adapt. Coming in cold for a volume shooter, especially one who has been ball dominant most of his life, it’s a tough adjustment. He’s been getting more time as the season progresses, so I think he’s probably showing a bit in practice and such.
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Small sample, but his numbers are brutal. Have to think it would make sense to send him down to G, see if he can get it going there, and then bring him back up.
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Seems at least half of us are gonna be wrong.
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I knew he was a generational talent as a shooter/scorer. I appreciated every game that he played at MU. We likely won't see another scorer like him in our lifetimes.
I didn't think he could defend well enough at his size to be a consistent rotation player in the NBA. Oops.
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I knew he was a generational talent as a shooter/scorer. I appreciated every game that he played at MU. We likely won't see another scorer like him in our lifetimes.
I didn't think he could defend well enough at his size to be a consistent rotation player in the NBA. Oops.
In think that was a generally acceptable view. I had questions about his handle at the next level as well. To his credit, he’s worked hard to get better at these aspects of the game and find a role with the Nuggets. He got an opportunity and took advantage of it. Another in a long line of mubb alum to do so. Don’t think anyone ever questioned his desire or work ethic and it’s paid off in bushels
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Played 20 minutes in a playoff game for a very good (but banged-up) NBA team.
7 points on 3-for-5, including 1-3 from 3. In the first half, he made a nice driving layup and helped space the court as Jokic destroyed the Blazers inside. In the second half, Portland went crazy from 3 and the entire Denver team struggled to both hit a shot and to contest Portland's shooters.
Markus ended up at -4 -- obviously that doesn't deserve a banner, but it was the second best on the team.
Congrats to Markus for making himself a valued contributor on a team that went to the conference finals last season.
“Markus Howard has really lit up that Nugget bench. Michael Malone calls him a ‘bucket-getter.'" -- ESPN announcer Jason Benetti
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It is fantastic that Markus is getting the minutes in a high profile game and demonstrating what he can do.
Representing MU well.
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Representing MU well.
As he did for 4 years while a student, athlete and leader.
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I said never a minute.
Loved the dude at MU. Loved his attitude!
Really surprised by this, way stoked for him! Keep proving me wrong 00
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It is fantastic that Markus is getting the minutes in a high profile game and demonstrating what he can do.
Representing MU well.
By being completely lost on D? On one possession where Portland hit a three Markus was in the lane a good 10 feet from any offensive player, and sure enough, Portland scored. Painful.
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By being completely lost on D? On one possession where Portland hit a three Markus was in the lane a good 10 feet from any offensive player, and sure enough, Portland scored. Painful.
He's not a great defender but for the most part he held his own last night. He was scrambling to recover a lot due to MPJ's missed rotations.
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By being completely lost on D? On one possession where Portland hit a three Markus was in the lane a good 10 feet from any offensive player, and sure enough, Portland scored. Painful.
I think I know the possession you're talking about. I believe he was where he was coached to be. Seriously. He had rotated away from his man to "cover the tape" -- the area under the hoop -- because his man was more than two passes away from the offensive player who had the ball.
I am not claiming Markus is a great (or even an average) defender. I am saying that I believe on that possession he merely was doing what he was told to do.
Unless we're talking about different possessions.
But even if he totally effed up there, he is STILL representing Marquette well. He is playing serious minutes in the NBA playoffs, and we can assume he is doing so with class, dignity and hard work.
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Happy to be one of the "40".
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By being completely lost on D? On one possession where Portland hit a three Markus was in the lane a good 10 feet from any offensive player, and sure enough, Portland scored. Painful.
I generally agree with your basketball viewpoints, but if your takeaway from the last 2 weeks of “welcome to the NBA” moments is to focus on a singular defensive lapse, that’s just absurdly cynical and much more emblematic of some of the doom and gloom posters here. He’s not Bruce Bowen and never will be, but he’s proven himself to his team and Mike Malone and is getting very real minutes and playing well when doing so. Of all the Markus takes I’ve seen on the internet and social media over the last couple games, this is literally the first “this guy sucks at defense” one I’ve seen. And not remarking at his scoring ability, team support, or potential to be a piece of the Nuggets roster moving forward
UPDATE: going off singular possessions, Markus got switched onto Lillard for an end of quarter possession, iso, where Lillard excels. Markus kept in front of him, forced him into a step back 3 with a hand in his face that clanged
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Real minutes last night in the W, going 2-2 from the field with a 3, a dime, and 33% of the Nuggets' blocks on the night!
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Real minutes last night in the W, going 2-2 from the field with a 3, a dime, and 33% of the Nuggets' blocks on the night!
The assist was a real beauty, too. Broke down the D and dished to cutting big for easy deuce.
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Ya shoulda done play by play. Coulda been another Marv Albert. I see ya got da basketball lingo down solid, hey?
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Ya shoulda done play by play. Coulda been another Marv Albert. I see ya got da basketball lingo down solid, hey?
Yesss!
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easy deuce.
Musta had Real Chili before the game, hey?
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As a wise man once said when a 17 year old Markus committed to Marquette... #M2N
I’m proud of him and it brings tears to my eyes watching him play
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As a wise man once said when a 17 year old Markus committed to Marquette... #M2N
I’m proud of him and it brings tears to my eyes watching him play
So nice to see him play given his size. Amazing how he holds his own playing against gargantuans!
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Rooting for Denver to win tonight. The more the Nuggets win with Markus playing some rotation minutes, the better Markus’chance to get his contract renewed for next season.
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So nice to see him play given his size. Amazing how he holds his own playing against gargantuans!
We all knew Markus was small because we watched him for 4 years. But to see him side-by-side with 6-8 and 6-10 NBA guards, he looks so tiny out there. But he has a big heart, he'll work his arse off, and that shot will always at least give him a chance to stay around.
Teams need shooters. I look at Markus or Joe Harris of the 76ers or some others for whom shooting is pretty much all they're there for, and I don't see why some here are so ready to dismiss Sam Hauser's chances at an NBA career. A smart 6-8 guy who can shoot. I'm rooting for him to be Markus' teammate!
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We all knew Markus was small because we watched him for 4 years. But to see him side-by-side with 6-8 and 6-10 NBA guards, he looks so tiny out there. But he has a big heart, he'll work his arse off, and that shot will always at least give him a chance to stay around.
Teams need shooters. I look at Markus or Joe Harris of the 76ers or some others for whom shooting is pretty much all they're there for, and I don't see why some here are so ready to dismiss Sam Hauser's chances at an NBA career. A smart 6-8 guy who can shoot. I'm rooting for him to be Markus' teammate!
Would rather see Joey end up in this position
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They couldn't even handle playing with guys like Herro and Howard. They'd quit in the blink of an eye if they had to play next to Harden, Westbrook, etc.
They know how the game is meant to be played. Those other guys don't, and they won't tolerate it.
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Would rather see Joey end up in this position
That’s funny. You’re right ... Sam and Markus probably would be fine.
Joey also can shoot so I wouldn’t 100% dismiss his chances, but he’s slow, and both mentally and physically soft, so no bueno.
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A Markus mention in today's Oregonian.
https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/2021/05/denver-nuggets-reserve-players-want-to-impose-their-will-on-the-blazers-in-tonights-game-3.html
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We all knew Markus was small because we watched him for 4 years. But to see him side-by-side with 6-8 and 6-10 NBA guards, he looks so tiny out there. But he has a big heart, he'll work his arse off, and that shot will always at least give him a chance to stay around.
Teams need shooters. I look at Markus or Joe Harris of the 76ers or some others for whom shooting is pretty much all they're there for, and I don't see why some here are so ready to dismiss Sam Hauser's chances at an NBA career. A smart 6-8 guy who can shoot. I'm rooting for him to be Markus' teammate!
Minor tidbit.......Harris is on Nets
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Minor tidbit.......Harris is on Nets
Thanks. I sit corrected.
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Article in the Athletic on Markus:
https://theathletic.com/2616042/2021/05/27/why-nuggets-markus-howard-is-ready-for-unexpected-playoff-role-its-in-his-dna/ (https://theathletic.com/2616042/2021/05/27/why-nuggets-markus-howard-is-ready-for-unexpected-playoff-role-its-in-his-dna/)
My favorite part:
“Me and Will (Barton) talked about this the whole year, just his approach toward the game of basketball and being a professional, the way he comes to work every single day,” said Paul Millsap, the veteran who played in his first of 122 career playoff games in 2007, shortly after Howard turned 8.
“I don’t know too many rookies who look forward to rookie duties. He is one of them. He’s ready to do his job, no matter what it is. I’m not surprised at the success he’s having and the minutes he’s been able to play because he’s definitely a professional, on and off the court.”
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Markus setting a vicious screen
https://streamable.com/cs3mc9
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Markus setting a vicious screen
https://streamable.com/cs3mc9
That is awesome
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Markus setting a vicious screen
https://streamable.com/cs3mc9
Oh my god, Nurkic trying to sell that is why people hate watching NBA players flop around.
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Markus setting a vicious screen
https://streamable.com/cs3mc9
How did that play end?
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Article in the Athletic on Markus:
https://theathletic.com/2616042/2021/05/27/why-nuggets-markus-howard-is-ready-for-unexpected-playoff-role-its-in-his-dna/ (https://theathletic.com/2616042/2021/05/27/why-nuggets-markus-howard-is-ready-for-unexpected-playoff-role-its-in-his-dna/)
My favorite part:
“Me and Will (Barton) talked about this the whole year, just his approach toward the game of basketball and being a professional, the way he comes to work every single day,” said Paul Millsap, the veteran who played in his first of 122 career playoff games in 2007, shortly after Howard turned 8.
“I don’t know too many rookies who look forward to rookie duties. He is one of them. He’s ready to do his job, no matter what it is. I’m not surprised at the success he’s having and the minutes he’s been able to play because he’s definitely a professional, on and off the court.”
Great article. Give this man an opening and no doubt he will take advantage of it.
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Article in the Athletic on Markus:
https://theathletic.com/2616042/2021/05/27/why-nuggets-markus-howard-is-ready-for-unexpected-playoff-role-its-in-his-dna/ (https://theathletic.com/2616042/2021/05/27/why-nuggets-markus-howard-is-ready-for-unexpected-playoff-role-its-in-his-dna/)
My favorite part:
“Me and Will (Barton) talked about this the whole year, just his approach toward the game of basketball and being a professional, the way he comes to work every single day,” said Paul Millsap, the veteran who played in his first of 122 career playoff games in 2007, shortly after Howard turned 8.
“I don’t know too many rookies who look forward to rookie duties. He is one of them. He’s ready to do his job, no matter what it is. I’m not surprised at the success he’s having and the minutes he’s been able to play because he’s definitely a professional, on and off the court.”
I subscribe to The Athletic but somehow missed that article, so thanks for posting.
When someone as respected as Millsap says that about Markus, it means something.
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I subscribe to The Athletic but somehow missed that article, so thanks for posting.
When someone as respected as Millsap says that about Markus, it means something.
Millsap was repeatedly directing and teaching Markus on defense the other night. Someone on Twitter was mocking it, (I think it was @HPbasketball who is a Nugs fan and a BB writer was complaining about it but he’s been kind of a hater towards Markus for whatever reason) but it showed respect and care for his growth as a player. As has been repeatedly shown with how excited and pumped people get on the bench for his successes. He’s won the vets and the coaches and the young guys over
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Millsap was repeatedly directing and teaching Markus on defense the other night. Someone on Twitter was mocking it, (I think it was @HPbasketball who is a Nugs fan and a BB writer was complaining about it but he’s been kind of a hater towards Markus for whatever reason) but it showed respect and care for his growth as a player. As has been repeatedly shown with how excited and pumped people get on the bench for his successes. He’s won the vets and the coaches and the young guys over
Probably a scooper.
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Markus setting a vicious screen
https://streamable.com/cs3mc9
A pic is worth...
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Probably a scooper.
Probably PRNightmare
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Would rather see Joey end up in this position
Ah, he'd write a letter.
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“That was a tough shot for Markus Howard. I know Markus used to get lots of shots when he was at Marquette, but he’s not at Marquette anymore.”
— TNT announcer Brendan Haywood
Note: Markus came back two possessions later to drill a wiser shot, an open 3.
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As i mentioned before, on brand, the Nuggets aren’t playing great, Markus has hardly been on the floor, but in the 3 min he has, dude has to fire off this tweet
https://twitter.com/hpbasketball/status/1398741677129404418?s=21
Same dude has had this to say
https://twitter.com/hpbasketball/status/1396300090650759168?s=21
https://twitter.com/hpbasketball/status/1396305634644033536?s=21
https://twitter.com/hpbasketball/status/1397023211838054411?s=21
Continually acting like Markus is a Make A Wish case and complaining about his presence in the offense like he didn’t avg 20 per game on better than 50% shooting when he got minutes in the last 3 games of the season, and like he isn’t shooting 65% in the playoffs with no TOs.
Everyone in the Nuggets org is raving about him, there have been positive print articles written about him, and this dude needs to make him a scapegoat for every Nuggets failing. Maybe Shaq Harrison isn’t playing cause he’s been an offensive nobody in the minutes he does get
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As i mentioned before, on brand, the Nuggets aren’t playing great, Markus has hardly been on the floor, but in the 3 min he has, dude has to fire off this tweet
https://twitter.com/hpbasketball/status/1398741677129404418?s=21
Same dude has had this to say
https://twitter.com/hpbasketball/status/1396300090650759168?s=21
https://twitter.com/hpbasketball/status/1396305634644033536?s=21
https://twitter.com/hpbasketball/status/1397023211838054411?s=21
Continually acting like Markus is a Make A Wish case and complaining about his presence in the offense like he didn’t avg 20 per game on better than 50% shooting when he got minutes in the last 3 games of the season, and like he isn’t shooting 65% in the playoffs with no TOs.
Everyone in the Nuggets org is raving about him, there have been positive print articles written about him, and this dude needs to make him a scapegoat for every Nuggets failing. Maybe Shaq Harrison isn’t playing cause he’s been an offensive nobody in the minutes he does get
Like they are playing @ Portland. Has to be PRNightmare. No Markus huge Portland run.... Just to troll back at him
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3-14 yesterday in a blowout loss while absolutely lost in D.
Though he did double his apg numbers yesterday.
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3-14 yesterday in a blowout loss while absolutely lost in D.
Though he did double his apg numbers yesterday.
When Markus entered the game with 2:42 left in the first quarter, Denver trailed 25-19. When he left about 10 minutes later (at the 4:44 mark of the 2nd quarter), Denver was still trailing by the same margin, 42-36.
By the time he got back into the game, with 4:48 left in the 3rd quarter, Denver was down by 22.
Markus obviously had nothing to do with the game becoming a blowout.
The numbers he compiled thereafter, good and bad, were in garbage time and therefore meaningless (though he did finish at +2).
He has had an extremely positive impact on the Nuggets over the last month, as his coach and teammates have gone out of their way to say on multiple occasions.
I continue to be proud and impressed by Markus Howard. There certainly is no reason to bash him.
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3-14 yesterday in a blowout loss while absolutely lost in D.
Though he did double his apg numbers yesterday.
You certainly have some sort of issue with Markus.
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3-14 yesterday in a blowout loss while absolutely lost in D.
Though he did double his apg numbers yesterday.
@HPbasketball is that you?!
Jokic, the NBA MVP, was 7/18 with a -32. Compazzo, the starting PG was 3/10, Monte Morris 5/13. The Nuggets entire team played like crap for much of the game and the Blazers can’t miss. Markus was 2/6 when the game was within double digits through most of the first half and start of the 3rd, including a big 3 as the second unit made a run. He missed a bunch of shots in garbage time in the 3rd and 4th which featured Javale McGee 3pt attempts and attempted coast to coast drives and structure-less throwaway iso ball. Stop acting like Markus shot them out of the game.
Markus has had some issues with defensive spacing but has played some very impressive on ball defense. For anyone who watched him at Marquette, he’s improved greatly there. Nobody who covers basketball or writes about it has pointed out or bemoaned his defense. But go off king, continue to try and point out any and all faults for an undrafted rookie who is getting double digit minutes in critical playoff games instead of excitement that one of Marquette’s best ambassadors is doing what most thought he couldn’t
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3-14 yesterday in a blowout loss while absolutely lost in D.
Though he did double his apg numbers yesterday.
He wasn't lost on D at all. Hes 5'10 and will never be a good defender. But he knows what hes doing.
Stood his ground multiple times on Lillard in the 2nd qtr when it was still a competitive game.
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He wasn't lost on D at all. Hes 5'10 and will never be a good defender. But he knows what hes doing.
Stood his ground multiple times on Lillard in the 2nd qtr when it was still a competitive game.
Some people don't understand the NBA position game which is extremely different from the ncaa game specially because of the defensive 3 second rule.
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Some people don't understand the NBA position game which is extremely different from the ncaa game specially because of the defensive 3 second rule.
He wasn't lost on D at all. Hes 5'10 and will never be a good defender. But he knows what hes doing.
Stood his ground multiple times on Lillard in the 2nd qtr when it was still a competitive game.
Bingo. The biggest things I always watch for in younger perimeter NBA guys is do they get completely lost or messed up on switches and can they keep someone in front of them? Markus hasn’t major issues with either. He’s played against probably the best scoring backcourt in the NBA and hasn’t ended up as a highlight where Dame or CJ shook him up, nor have they blown by him with regularity. There was one play specifically on Game 2 where Dame had ball to end the quarter, iso’d on Markus, and threw 2-3 moves before settling for a step back with Markus in his grill. Murray came running off the bench to congratulate him
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We've got a few guys who don't like Markus, and one who doesn't like Jimmy, and none of those people are very good at justifying why they now are down on two guys who did everything asked of them (and more) during their time at Marquette.
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The best part will be when more NBA fans come to know & understand what a high character young man Markus is. It’s starting, but will grow.
#M2N
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The best part will be when more NBA fans come to know & understand what a high character young man Markus is. It’s starting, but will grow.
#M2N
Agreed. I'm unsure how anyone could possibly have an issue with Markus. Wojo's usage of Markus? Sure. But Markus has been an excellent representative of Marquette since the first day he stepped on campus.
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Agreed. I'm unsure how anyone could possibly have an issue with Markus. Wojo's usage of Markus? Sure. But Markus has been an excellent representative of Marquette since the first day he stepped on campus.
This. Markus played the way his coach wanted him to play. And did it well enough to be an AA. Any complaints about his usage (and they’re legit) belong in Wojo’s inbox.
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Shouldn't it now be #M@N?
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NM
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Markus .. just hit back to back 3s. 6 minutes, 6 points.
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3 daggers in a couple minute span.
Unfortunately while there was no sign of him coming out of the game naturally, his 3rd foul put him to the bench.
Absolute trash call
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Pulling for the Nuggets to win this one. I think the combination of Nuggets winning and Markus doing his thing will help Markus cause.
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Bam
Bam
Bam
MH with three triples. :)
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3 daggers in a couple minute span.
Unfortunately while there was no sign of him coming out of the game naturally, his 3rd foul put him to the bench.
Absolute trash call
It was a miserable call. But while it’s a flawed stat, for all the talk of his supposed lack of defense or not playing within the team, Markus is gonna finish with the highest +\- on the Nuggets tonight. There isn’t a significant tick down when he’s in there
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It was a miserable call. But while it’s a flawed stat, for all the talk of his supposed lack of defense or not playing within the team, Markus is gonna finish with the highest +\- on the Nuggets tonight. There isn’t a significant tick down when he’s in there
Not at all.
He gets picked on with switches at times on D where he simply isnt big enough to stop guys. But he helps a lot on offense with all his running around making guys chase him and it opens up looks.
They were humming on O for a while with him in the game.
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Abysmal coaching by Malone
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Nuggets are literally trying to lose.
Morris(whose been great) with a biffed layup and missed free throw to allow the tie to happen.
Nuggets have blown through their TOs at end of regulation and end of OT to not get half court set up.
Nuggets inexplicable dont intentional foul Lillard.......ever.
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Nuggets win helps Markus’ cause. Hopefully they can get one more.
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Does the rule change also mean he's getting paid more for these playoff days - or are those just "included" in the original 2-way?
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Nuggets are literally trying to lose.
We need a league investigation. This is the 1st time a team literally tried to lose a playoff game. ::)
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Markus' last 10 games:
SPLITS GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
L10 7 15.3 48.2 40.0 85.7 1.3 0.9 0.1 0.3 1.3 1.4 10.3
Close to the 50 40 90 club
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Markus' last 10 games:
SPLITS GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
L10 7 15.3 48.2 40.0 85.7 1.3 0.9 0.1 0.3 1.3 1.4 10.3
Close to the 50 40 90 club
Markus is making the most of his opportunity, which is awesome. Building a good portfolio of what he can do both offensively and defensively. I hope the powers that be at Denver see fit to renew his contract next year.
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Markus is making the most of his opportunity, which is awesome. Building a good portfolio of what he can do both offensively and defensively. I hope the powers that be at Denver see fit to renew his contract next year.
I actually now wouldn't be surprised if he gets a solid multi-year offer in the low $millions/year to go to a younger/rebuilding team with more cap space & a shot at much more PT
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I actually now wouldn't be surprised if he gets a solid multi-year offer in the low $millions/year to go to a younger/rebuilding team with more cap space & a shot at much more PT
Markus young age helps in that regard. Would be great if it played out that way.
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I actually now wouldn't be surprised if he gets a solid multi-year offer in the low $millions/year to go to a younger/rebuilding team with more cap space & a shot at much more PT
Lotta minutes disappear next year with Jamal Murray coming back, but hopefully Howard has shown he can be enough of an asset.
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Lotta minutes disappear next year with Jamal Murray coming back, but hopefully Howard has shown he can be enough of an asset.
A team with less of a logjam at guard could make Markus an offer. Every NBA team needs 3-point shooting.
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A team with less of a logjam at guard could make Markus an offer. Every NBA team needs 3-point shooting.
Yes
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Yes
Markus hasn't had as good an overall rookie year as Wes had with Utah way back when, so I doubt he'll get the kind of $$$ that Wes did from Portland, but the situation is the same.
It now would be pretty surprising if Markus wasn't on some NBA team's 15-man roster next season.
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Markus hasn't had as good an overall rookie year as Wes had with Utah way back when, so I doubt he'll get the kind of $$$ that Wes did from Portland, but the situation is the same.
It now would be pretty surprising if Markus wasn't on some NBA team's 15-man roster next season.
Markus has two chances. He can make a 15 man roster or he still has 3 years eligibility to be a 16/17 man.
He just needs to be at a place where he can get consistent minutes.
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Markus only shooting 27% now on 3s. Had a nice streak there when they constructed some special plays to set him up for wide open catch & shoot 3s, which worked, but the defenses have caught on and are now taking a lot of those good look situations away.
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Markus only shooting 27% now on 3s. Had a nice streak there when they constructed some special plays to set him up for wide open catch & shoot 3s, which worked, but the defenses have caught on and are now taking a lot of those good look situations away.
This isn't true. He's shooting 58% on threes in the series and shot 43% in April. He is shooting 27% on threes overall because he struggled mightily February through April. If anything, Markus and Denver have adjusted.
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Markus has one job that is to be like Vinnie” The Microwave “ Johnson , or going back even further; to become a modern day” Dowtown “Freddie Brown.
Once he went from garbage time to real minutes he has been able to demonstrate the requisite output.
M@N
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A team with less of a logjam at guard could make Markus an offer. Every NBA team needs 3-point shooting.
Of course, but I think the Denver coaches are starting to trust Markus. He's getting minutes in big games.
And his attitude is off the charts.
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This isn't true. He's shooting 58% on threes in the series and shot 43% in April. He is shooting 27% on threes overall because he struggled mightily February through April. If anything, Markus and Denver have adjusted.
I’m speaking about the 3pt percentage early on in the series which was out of sight well in excess of 58%, but he’s not getting the pure looks as before, since Denver has adjusted to the 2-3 man plays that were set up for Howard, which allowed those sensational numbers.......he’s now at 42% in the last 2 games (still very good), but lower than when he had those wide open looks.
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I’m speaking about the 3pt percentage early on in the series which was out of sight well in excess of 58%, but he’s not getting the pure looks as before, since Denver has adjusted to the 2-3 man plays that were set up for Howard, which allowed those sensational numbers.......he’s now at 42% in the last 2 games (still very good), but lower than when he had those wide open looks.
Markus has had 1 bad shooting game out of 5 in this series. It was his highest volume game but it was also the one where it was a blow out and guys were just launching from all over.
Denver has actually used Markus really well in the other 4 games. Hes shooting(mostly) good shots in flow otherwise hes zigging and zagging around the half court forcing guys like Lillard to run around and follow him.
Markus is 6/10 from 3 and 9/15 overall in the 4 games he was used as a true role player off the bench.
The other game was the outlier where Denver was down a whopping 27 after 3 qtrs.
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Markus has had 1 bad shooting game out of 5 in this series. It was his highest volume game but it was also the one where it was a blow out and guys were just launching from all over.
Denver has actually used Markus really well in the other 4 games. Hes shooting(mostly) good shots in flow otherwise hes zigging and zagging around the half court forcing guys like Lillard to run around and follow him.
Markus is 6/10 from 3 and 9/15 overall in the 4 games he was used as a true role player off the bench.
The other game was the outlier where Denver was down a whopping 27 after 3 qtrs.
Excellent data and very good point.
And almost the entirety of that 27-point deficit Denver faced in that one game came while Markus was on the bench.
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Excellent data and very good point.
And almost the entirety of that 27-point deficit Denver faced in that one game came while Markus was on the bench.
Yeah hes been far from a liability in his minutes this series.
5 short minutes so far tonight but the Nuggets were +2 in that stretch even though he didn't attempt a shot. Had a really nice assist though.
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Would like to see the Nuggets get a win here and win the series.
Markus would have another series then .
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While he didn't play a big role in the series clincher, Markus finished the six-game series +9 in 92 minutes. He scored 33 points and was 12-for-29 from the floor, including 9-for-20 from three.
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Accidentally posted this on the other thread
Markus rode pine today but the Nuggets closed it out and hes moving on to Round 2.
Awesome stuff.
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While he didn't play a big role in the series clincher, Markus finished the six-game series +9 in 92 minutes. He scored 33 points and was 12-for-29 from the floor, including 9-for-20 from three.
Yeah, give the struggles he had early on this season, the fact he played as much as he did (even given the injuries) is really a testament. Hopefully he gets some good run (and makes a positive impact) in the next series too.
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Markus getting some love
https://nugglove.com/2021/06/05/denver-nuggets-three-players-earned-roster-spot-next-season/4/
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2021/6/4/22518265/the-nuggets-didnt-have-anything-to-prove-and-they-proved-it-anyway
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Markus getting some love
https://nugglove.com/2021/06/05/denver-nuggets-three-players-earned-roster-spot-next-season/4/
https://www.denverstiffs.com/2021/6/4/22518265/the-nuggets-didnt-have-anything-to-prove-and-they-proved-it-anyway
The writer of the first article assumes, perhaps erroneously, that the best Howard might be able to get is another two-way contract. If he continues to play as he has, it's very possible that a team (maybe even the Nuggets) would give him a "real" contract for next season.
Ya gotta love this from the second article (unless you're one of Scoop's few Markus-haters):
Markus Howard was a two-way rookie contract this year, and at 5’10” was always going to be at a major disadvantage in the NBA. Imagine the surprise when he was in the playoff rotation for the Nuggets after barely playing all season, shooting 9-of-20 from three in his 92 playoff minutes and giving the Nuggets a proper spark off the bench. A great story
Agree - a great story!
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Good to see Markus get some meaningful minutes again and hit a nice 3 in the first half and I think held his ground defensively (except for silly touch foul on Jae's 4 pt play). Frankly I thought they should have put the second unit back in in the latter part of the 3rd quarter - all of them, but Jokic in particular, were looking flat - I think they could have used a bit of instant O. Hopefully the Nuggets can stretch out the series and get him some more court time.
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He didnt close out fast enough on the first three he gave up, then closed badly on Jae. Aside from that, I thought he played well. In fact, once he hit the three, I thought Monte and Millsap missed him a few times for some wide open threes. I thought he had a chance to go into Markus mode. Now, I'll take my Markus glasses off.
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Good to see Markus get some meaningful minutes again and hit a nice 3 in the first half and I think held his ground defensively (except for silly touch foul on Jae's 4 pt play). Frankly I thought they should have put the second unit back in in the latter part of the 3rd quarter - all of them, but Jokic in particular, were looking flat - I think they could have used a bit of instant O. Hopefully the Nuggets can stretch out the series and get him some more court time.
Nuggets definitely needed to switch it up a bit in the 3rd. The just let the same guys keep getting boat raced.
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Some pretty positive words for Markus from Tim Connelly
Another young player who stood out, especially towards the end of the season and the playoffs, was Markus Howard. Although the former Marquette star was the Big East’s all-time leader in scoring, there weren’t many expectations for him as he came on to the Nuggets as an undrafted free agent. In the last two weeks of the season and the playoffs, Howard proved his scoring touch can translate into the NBA. The 22-year-old averaged 14.2 points per game in the final five games of the regular season, shooting 44.4 percent from three during that stretch. He also managed to contribute sparingly in the playoffs, shooting 42.3 percent from three and averaging 4.7 points in 12.4 minutes per game.
“Markus was great, I thought he was fantastic,” Connelly said. “His mental toughness was off the charts – to be thrown into the fire and produce like he did. So expect him to continue to improve…It wasn’t by accident that he was the all-time leading scorer in the Big East.”
“He was great and provided huge offensive boosts when we were really struggling in that Portland series. So, he’s a guy who we think has several more years to reach and we’re hopeful and excited to see how he reaches those years.”"
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/connelly-eos-presser-20210618
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Some pretty positive words for Markus from Tim Connelly
Another young player who stood out, especially towards the end of the season and the playoffs, was Markus Howard. Although the former Marquette star was the Big East’s all-time leader in scoring, there weren’t many expectations for him as he came on to the Nuggets as an undrafted free agent. In the last two weeks of the season and the playoffs, Howard proved his scoring touch can translate into the NBA. The 22-year-old averaged 14.2 points per game in the final five games of the regular season, shooting 44.4 percent from three during that stretch. He also managed to contribute sparingly in the playoffs, shooting 42.3 percent from three and averaging 4.7 points in 12.4 minutes per game.
“Markus was great, I thought he was fantastic,” Connelly said. “His mental toughness was off the charts – to be thrown into the fire and produce like he did. So expect him to continue to improve…It wasn’t by accident that he was the all-time leading scorer in the Big East.”
“He was great and provided huge offensive boosts when we were really struggling in that Portland series. So, he’s a guy who we think has several more years to reach and we’re hopeful and excited to see how he reaches those years.”"
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/connelly-eos-presser-20210618
Love hearing this about our all-time scoring leader. Thanks for posting.
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Some pretty positive words for Markus from Tim Connelly
Another young player who stood out, especially towards the end of the season and the playoffs, was Markus Howard. Although the former Marquette star was the Big East’s all-time leader in scoring, there weren’t many expectations for him as he came on to the Nuggets as an undrafted free agent. In the last two weeks of the season and the playoffs, Howard proved his scoring touch can translate into the NBA. The 22-year-old averaged 14.2 points per game in the final five games of the regular season, shooting 44.4 percent from three during that stretch. He also managed to contribute sparingly in the playoffs, shooting 42.3 percent from three and averaging 4.7 points in 12.4 minutes per game.
“Markus was great, I thought he was fantastic,” Connelly said. “His mental toughness was off the charts – to be thrown into the fire and produce like he did. So expect him to continue to improve…It wasn’t by accident that he was the all-time leading scorer in the Big East.”
“He was great and provided huge offensive boosts when we were really struggling in that Portland series. So, he’s a guy who we think has several more years to reach and we’re hopeful and excited to see how he reaches those years.”"
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/connelly-eos-presser-20210618
This is an excellent end of season review from Markus by his ultimate boss. Looks like he will be on the team for multiple years .
It really helps MU on the recruiting front to have another guy in the Association .
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This is an excellent end of season review from Markus by his ultimate boss. Looks like he will be on the team for multiple years .
It really helps MU on the recruiting front to have another guy in the Association .
Agreed it will help recruiting. Goes to show that if you stick with Wojo for 4 years you'll likely end up in with All-Conference honors and in the NBA.
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Another nice write-up of what Markus has been up to over the summer.
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/howard-ready-year2-20210728
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Another nice write-up of what Markus has been up to over the summer.
https://www.nba.com/nuggets/news/howard-ready-year2-20210728
Thanks, for this.
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Markus seeing a bit of action in the past few days and is finally on the scoreboard for the season. That said, numbers are rough: 2-11 on threes, 3-17 overall shooting. It's a limited sample but tough to get more minutes based on that performance.
I wonder if Markus' time with the Nuggets (and the league) is coming to an end?
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Markus seeing a bit of action in the past few days and is finally on the scoreboard for the season. That said, numbers are rough: 2-11 on threes, 3-17 overall shooting. It's a limited sample but tough to get more minutes based on that performance.
I wonder if Markus' time with the Nuggets (and the league) is coming to an end?
PJ Dozier just tore his ACL, so probably not.
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Markus seeing a bit of action in the past few days and is finally on the scoreboard for the season. That said, numbers are rough: 2-11 on threes, 3-17 overall shooting. It's a limited sample but tough to get more minutes based on that performance.
I wonder if Markus' time with the Nuggets (and the league) is coming to an end?
Mike Malone likes him and knows what he can do. He’s exploded for points numerous times last year and did so again in the preseason. Coming in cold for small minutes and being out of rhythm/not scoring as a result isn’t the best indicator and is an anamoly
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Mike Malone likes him and knows what he can do. He’s exploded for points numerous times last year and did so again in the preseason. Coming in cold for small minutes and being out of rhythm/not scoring as a result isn’t the best indicator and is an anamoly
This.
It's not that Markus is playing only sporadic minutes because of his stats. It's that his stats are suffering because he's playing only sporadic minutes.
Dozier just got hurt. Markus probably will play a little more. If he hits a couple 3s, he'll play more.
He's a little guy who can make his mark by hitting 3s, by hustling, by drawing charges, etc. And Malone likes his character and intelligence. Pretty sure he's always gonna be an end-of-bench type guy in the NBA, but that's OK. There are worse ways to make a living!
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Teams aren’t giving up on players due to a cold streak over a few games.
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This.
It's not that Markus is playing only sporadic minutes because of his stats. It's that his stats are suffering because he's playing only sporadic minutes.
Dozier just got hurt. Markus probably will play a little more. If he hits a couple 3s, he'll play more.
He's a little guy who can make his mark by hitting 3s, by hustling, by drawing charges, etc. And Malone likes his character and intelligence. Pretty sure he's always gonna be an end-of-bench type guy in the NBA, but that's OK. There are worse ways to make a living!
I agree, and have long held that it's REALLY hard to assess a TALENTED player's value if they only get 2-4 minute stints of action, in which if they don't produce/have a turnover, it's bench city. 8-)
Markus's challenge in the NBA will be if he can hold his own on D and not get abused on that end. Markus can score effectively at the NBA level if he can play 30 minutes a night.
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I agree, and have long held that it's REALLY hard to assess a TALENTED player's value if they only get 2-4 minute stints of action, in which if they don't produce/have a turnover, it's bench city. 8-)
Markus's challenge in the NBA will be if he can hold his own on D and not get abused on that end. Markus can score effectively at the NBA level if he can play 30 minutes a night.
I have a very hard time imagining that MH will ever play 30 minutes a night.
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I have a very hard time imagining that MH will ever play 30 minutes a night.
I agree. Was saying that his offensive game could support 30 minutes per night, but that he'd get abused on the other end of the court to where it won't happen (30 minute per night player)
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I agree, and have long held that it's REALLY hard to assess a TALENTED player's value if they only get 2-4 minute stints of action, in which if they don't produce/have a turnover, it's bench city. 8-)
Markus's challenge in the NBA will be if he can hold his own on D and not get abused on that end. Markus can score effectively at the NBA level if he can play 30 minutes a night.
Malone uses Howard just about right.
I can't imagine many if any coaches in the NBA giving Markus more of a run.
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8pts, in 5 mins tonight, 3-3. if you prorate that to 48 mins he gets like 72?
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8pts, in 5 mins tonight, 3-3. if you prorate that to 48 mins he gets like 72?
That performance is why the worries about him getting dropped cause of a cold stretch are silly. Again, he’s shown many times that he can score effectively in bunches, including in the playoffs. When he’s getting limited run, it can be deceiving. But if he goes 1/4, 1/5, 0/2, and 3/3 in couple minutes over 4 games. It looks like 3 bad games and a great one. But in reality it’s just the natural streakiness of a scoring guard stretched out
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Very happy for Markus, as I am of all of our former Marquette guys who are now in the NBA, Europe and other pro leagues.
Markus worked extraordinarily hard for our alma mater's basketball team, led us to 3 NCAAT appearances in 4 years, and was (and continues to be) a great representative of our university. I hope he sticks around the NBA for many years, and I believe that singular much-in-demand skill he possesses will let him make money playing basketball for a long time.
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Very happy for Markus, as I am of all of our former Marquette guys who are now in the NBA, Europe and other pro leagues.
Markus worked extraordinarily hard for our alma mater's basketball team, led us to 3 NCAAT appearances in 4 years, and was (and continues to be) a great representative of our university. I hope he sticks around the NBA for many years, and I believe that singular much-in-demand skill he possesses will let him make money playing basketball for a long time.
Seconded !