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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: The Big East on October 01, 2020, 09:02:16 AM
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Some updates on Sam Hauser. Has fit in well with the team and appears to be a consensus preseason All ACC first team.
https://www.wfxrtv.com/sports/uva-sports/title-aspirations-drive-sam-hauser-ahead-of-lone-season-at-uva/
https://bigredlouie.com/2020/09/08/acc-basketball-preseason-first-team-conference/
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1302955024893358082
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Who?
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Cares?
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Hope he flops miserably. He won't, but hope he does.
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Would have been an all-time great at MU. Unless he wins a title at Virginia he's just a guy who played at MU and Virginia.
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Has Sam ever said anything about playing any pro ball? Does he keep playing after this year?
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Has Sam ever said anything about playing any pro ball? Does he keep playing after this year?
Said something on an Instagram ask me anything session a few years ago
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Has Sam ever said anything about playing any pro ball? Does he keep playing after this year?
Only if the team that drafts him does not have a player who dominates the ball.
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Has Sam ever said anything about playing any pro ball? Does he keep playing after this year?
I recall there having been a letter written, maybe in that?
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At least he doesn’t have to play with Tyler Herro
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He's expected to be 1st Team All-ACC and some have said he'll be ACC POY. He's going to get drafted and probably play in the NBA for 8-10 years.
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He's expected to be 1st Team All-ACC and some have said he'll be ACC POY. He's going to get drafted and probably play in the NBA for 8-10 years.
No and no.
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He's expected to be 1st Team All-ACC and some have said he'll be ACC POY. He's going to get drafted and probably play in the NBA for 8-10 years.
It's a shooter's game, so he has a chance. But unless he's become more athletic in the last 18 months, he's going to spend a lot of time as his team's 14th/15th man. Way too small to guard fours and NBA threes will run circles around him.
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It's a shooter's game, so he has a chance. But unless he's become more athletic in the last 18 months, he's going to spend a lot of time as his team's 14th/15th man. Way too small to guard fours and NBA threes will run circles around him.
I think it also depends where he measures out size wise. He’s listed as 6’8, if he measures closer to 6’7 that’s gonna be tough. If he somehow grew or is actually closer to 6’9, Then he may have a better shot at that mid to late second round area given his shooting prowess.
If not the NBA, he’s the prototypical player to be highly paid and long lived in the Euroleague. 6’8 skilled shooters litter the top Spanish, Turkish, and Greek leagues. Far worse ways to make a living. He surely wouldn’t be grinding away in Albania or Finland for $1000 a week.
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He's expected to be 1st Team All-ACC and some have said he'll be ACC POY. He's going to get drafted and probably play in the NBA for 8-10 years.
Sam might get 8-10 games in the league. And that's not sour grapes. He's just too slow laterally to guard at the pro level.
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I think it also depends where he measures out size wise. He’s listed as 6’8, if he measures closer to 6’7 that’s gonna be tough. If he somehow grew or is actually closer to 6’9, Then he may have a better shot at that mid to late second round area given his shooting prowess.
If not the NBA, he’s the prototypical player to be highly paid and long lived in the Euroleague. 6’8 skilled shooters litter the top Spanish, Turkish, and Greek leagues. Far worse ways to make a living. He surely wouldn’t be grinding away in Albania or Finland for $1000 a week.
Sam's game may actually work against him when it comes to making a big salary overseas.
Most Euro leagues have roster limits on non-European players, and mid-sized shooters with limited athleticism aren't usually what they're looking for to fill those spots. They have plenty of those guys already on the continent.
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It's a shooter's game, so he has a chance. But unless he's become more athletic in the last 18 months, he's going to spend a lot of time as his team's 14th/15th man. Way too small to guard fours and NBA threes will run circles around him.
Same issue as with Novak...except that Steve was a better shooter and an inch or two taller.
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It's a shooter's game, so he has a chance. But unless he's become more athletic in the last 18 months, he's going to spend a lot of time as his team's 14th/15th man. Way too small to guard fours and NBA threes will run circles around him.
I could see teams wanting to pick him in the 2nd and invest some time in him in their GLeague program in search for "the next Duncan Robinson." If that doesn't end up panning out, head to Australia, China, etc. and keep playing basketball for a comfortable living as longa as possible rather than sit behind a computer.
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Who will play more NBA games, Sam Hauser or Sam Dekker?
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Who will play more NBA games, Sam Hauser or Sam Dekker?
Dekker. He got 200 in before he moved to Europe. I doubt either Hauser brother gets there.
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Dekker. He got 200 in before he moved to Europe. I doubt either Hauser brother gets there.
Really? Idk about Sam but Joey's just athletic enough and will get a look because of MSU in my opinion.
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Really? Idk about Sam but Joey's just athletic enough and will get a look because of MSU in my opinion.
What about Joey Hauser's freshman year makes you think he can sniff the NBA?
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Yeah, I mean I am sure Izzo is going to get more out of him than what we saw his freshman year, but I didn't see an overabundance of athleticism from Joey.
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/southbendtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/47/1470477a-ebdb-5430-8634-4c3b2c08200c/5ceddbb62ea1b.image.jpg?resize=500%2C530)
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What about Joey Hauser's freshman year makes you think he can sniff the NBA?
6-10 guy with a decent outside shot who can handle the ball. I'm not saying he'll be an all star or that he's unbelievably athletic but I certainly think he'll get his cup of coffee.
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If Joey is completely healthy, I think he is marginally quicker than Sam. I also think he is a little taller than Sam. The Joey article referenced his poor defense and that he had been working to improve it.
So, the Henry Ellenson test. Are either Sam or Joey more skilled offensively than Henry? Are they better defensively? Since they aren't bigger, the answer to both questions had better be yes, if they expect to make the league.
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6-10 guy with a decent outside shot who can handle the ball. I'm not saying he'll be an all star or that he's unbelievably athletic but I certainly think he'll get his cup of coffee.
Cup of coffee? Sure. 200 games like Dekker? I doubt it.
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Cup of coffee? Sure. 200 games like Dekker? I doubt it.
Oh yeah I highly doubt he gets 200 games just think that he gets there.
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Yeah, I mean I am sure Izzo is going to get more out of him than what we saw his freshman year, but I didn't see an overabundance of athleticism from Joey.
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/southbendtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/47/1470477a-ebdb-5430-8634-4c3b2c08200c/5ceddbb62ea1b.image.jpg?resize=500%2C530)
I don't know...looks like Joey is getting a good sniff of the NBA in that pic.
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Oh yeah I highly doubt he gets 200 games just think that he gets there.
Gotcha. I originally meant not getting to 200 games. So yet again, another Scoop debate brought you by a miscommunication.
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I think work ethic and lack of entitlement leans severely in the favor of the Hausers over Henry.
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I think work ethic and lack of entitlement leans severely in the favor of the Hausers over Henry.
Work ethic maybe.
But lack of entitlement? These are the guys who left because our go-to guy happened to be one of the NCAA's all-time leading scorers. And Sam had already been here a couple of years before Joey showed up and 'noticed' Markus. C'mon.
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Work ethic maybe.
But lack of entitlement? These are the guys who left because our go-to guy happened to be one of the NCAA's all-time leading scorers. And Sam had already been here a couple of years before Joey showed up and 'noticed' Markus. C'mon.
The left to go to the two most selfless teams in the country. I would see your point more if they ran off to Iowa State or Nebraska but when you leave for UVA and MSU, that tells me you want to play the game a certain way. No different than Jimmy Butler working his way to the Heat.
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The left to go to the two most selfless teams in the country. I would see your point more if they ran off to Iowa State or Nebraska but when you leave for UVA and MSU, that tells me you want to play the game a certain way. No different than Jimmy Butler working his way to the Heat.
A very Badgeresque response.
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The left to go to the two most selfless teams in the country. I would see your point more if they ran off to Iowa State or Nebraska but when you leave for UVA and MSU, that tells me you want to play the game a certain way. No different than Jimmy Butler working his way to the Heat.
But again, Joey had been watching Sam play this way for two years. If the goal was to play a different style of ball, it was a pretty silly decision to come in the first place. Did he really think he was going to change how Wojo coached?
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The left to go to the two most selfless teams in the country. I would see your point more if they ran off to Iowa State or Nebraska but when you leave for UVA and MSU, that tells me you want to play the game a certain way. No different than Jimmy Butler working his way to the Heat.
It tells me they wanted to go to the best program that would have them.
Who picks Iowa State over Virginia? Or Nebraska over Michigan State?
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The left to go to the two most selfless teams in the country. I would see your point more if they ran off to Iowa State or Nebraska but when you leave for UVA and MSU, that tells me you want to play the game a certain way. No different than Jimmy Butler working his way to the Heat.
What way does Michigan State play? Hope he likes playing with a bunch of one-and-dones looking to get to the Association
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The left to go to the two most selfless teams in the country. I would see your point more if they ran off to Iowa State or Nebraska but when you leave for UVA and MSU, that tells me you want to play the game a certain way. No different than Jimmy Butler working his way to the Heat.
C’mon
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What about Joey Hauser's freshman year makes you think he can sniff the NBA?
4x BE Freshman of the Week? Sure, Ja Morant made him look silly, and his whiny attitude contributed to a 2nd half of the season tailspin, but there is a lot of talent there.
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Yeah, I mean I am sure Izzo is going to get more out of him than what we saw his freshman year, but I didn't see an overabundance of athleticism from Joey.
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/southbendtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/47/1470477a-ebdb-5430-8634-4c3b2c08200c/5ceddbb62ea1b.image.jpg?resize=500%2C530)
Everytime I see this picture in an attack on Joey I lose braincells.
It was very clearly 100% on Bailey...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8xzYNhvpxk&ab_channel=GPII
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4x BE Freshman of the Week?
Lol. Sure. Nothing says NBA ready like being the BE Freshman of the Week, not once, not twice, not even three times. ..BUT FOUR TIMES!!!!
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4x BE Freshman of the Week? Sure, Ja Morant made him look silly, and his whiny attitude contributed to a 2nd half of the season tailspin, but there is a lot of talent there.
How many player of the week/month/year awards did Markus win? Are they going to help him make the Association? There is a lot of talent there.
NBA value is based on who you can defend, and I honestly don't see either player being able to defend well enough to stick with a roster.
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How many player of the week/month/year awards did Markus win? Are they going to help him make the Association? There is a lot of talent there.
NBA value is based on who you can defend, and I honestly don't see either player being able to defend well enough to stick with a roster.
Most college BB fans don't understand this point.
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Most college BB fans don't understand this point.
Yep, there's also a difference between being a bad defender because you make a lot of mental mistakes, and being a bad defender because you don't posses the physical attributes to succeed. Juan was a liability as a Freshman because he had no clue what was going on, but no one ever doubted his physical abilities. Joey had his fair share of mental lapses, but on top of that, doesn't appear to have the capability to be a good enough defender even if those lapses get fixed.
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Lol. Sure. Nothing says NBA ready like being the BE Freshman of the Week, not once, not twice, not even three times. ..BUT FOUR TIMES!!!!
The question wasn't "NBA ready", was it?
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How many player of the week/month/year awards did Markus win? Are they going to help him make the Association? There is a lot of talent there.
NBA value is based on who you can defend, and I honestly don't see either player being able to defend well enough to stick with a roster.
My mistake, Joey actually won BE Freshman of the Week 5 times, not 4. Markus won the award 3 times. Both were named to the All BE Freshman Team.
I agree that it is unlikely that either is good enough to stick, but IMO both have enough talent to have a chance of a sniff at the NBA, which was what the question was.
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My mistake, Joey actually won BE Freshman of the Week 5 times, not 4. Markus won the award 3 times. Both were named to the All BE Freshman Team.
I agree that it is unlikely that either is good enough to stick, but IMO both have enough talent to have a chance of a sniff at the NBA, which was what the question was.
But you didn't say that you thought he had the talent to get a sniff. You said Joey winning this award as a freshman means that he'll sniff the NBA. By that logic, anyone that wins a BEast Freshman of the week should be able to sniff the NBA. Haanif made the all-Freshman team, was that enough for him to sniff the NBA?
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But you didn't say that you thought he had the talent to get a sniff. You said Joey winning this award as a freshman means that he'll sniff the NBA. By that logic, anyone that wins a BEast Freshman of the week should be able to sniff the NBA. Haanif made the all-Freshman team, was that enough for him to sniff the NBA?
No, not really, but we are definitely talking minutia at this point. The exact question was, "What about Joey Hauser's freshman year makes you think he can sniff the NBA?"
I didn't say "he'll sniff the NBA" as you did above, I was answering whether he "can sniff the NBA". I wasn't predicting he definitely would, only that IMO he has enough talent that there is a reasonable chance. I mean, we are kind of violently agreeing at this point.
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What way does Michigan State play? Hope he likes playing with a bunch of one-and-dones looking to get to the Association
MSU has the occasional one and done but we’re not talking UK or Duke here. The last I can remember is Jaren Jackson, Jr. But Valentine and Winston were BT POY and four year guys.
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The left to go to the two most selfless teams in the country. I would see your point more if they ran off to Iowa State or Nebraska but when you leave for UVA and MSU, that tells me you want to play the game a certain way. No different than Jimmy Butler working his way to the Heat.
Damn you and your logic/common sense. People here prefer their sour grapes.
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MSU has the occasional one and done but we’re not talking UK or Duke here. The last I can remember is Jaren Jackson, Jr. But Valentine and Winston were BT POY and four year guys.
Yeah he won't be playing with one and dined just a heck of a lot more players at his talent level or better.
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So, the Henry Ellenson test. Are either Sam or Joey more skilled offensively than Henry?
Except when he could overpower people (which he could do in college but not in the NBA) Henry was a lousy, inefficient offensive player. Couldn’t shoot. Joey and Sam are light years better at what’s now essential in the NBA - shooting and shooting from distance.
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Yeah, I mean I am sure Izzo is going to get more out of him than what we saw his freshman year, but I didn't see an overabundance of athleticism from Joey.
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/southbendtribune.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/47/1470477a-ebdb-5430-8634-4c3b2c08200c/5ceddbb62ea1b.image.jpg?resize=500%2C530)
Al would have had Joey's backside over this one.
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MSU has the occasional one and done but we’re not talking UK or Duke here. The last I can remember is Jaren Jackson, Jr. But Valentine and Winston were BT POY and four year guys.
They are bringing in Max Christie and Emoni Bates, though it’s possible both go pro. I should have clarified they were bringing in one and dones
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Damn you and your logic/common sense. People here prefer their sour grapes.
Selfless players that didn’t want to play with Markus or Tyler Herro. I guess that’s selfless
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Is it sour grapes to point out that Joey was an objectively poor defender or that Sam will be attempting to be a 23 year old rookie, or are those just facts?
Again, value in the NBA is based on who you can defend. That's why you see guys like Luguentz Dort and his 29% career three point shooting finding a solid role on a decent team. Henry, Joey, Sam and Markus are all too poor defenders to make it in the NBA.
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Is it sour grapes to point out that Joey was an objectively poor defender or that Sam will be attempting to be a 23 year old rookie, or are those just facts?
Again, value in the NBA is based on who you can defend. That's why you see guys like Luguentz Dort and his 29% career three point shooting finding a solid role on a decent team. Henry, Joey, Sam and Markus are all too poor defenders to make it in the NBA.
You're absolutely correct. People claiming that the NBA is for shooters don't actually follow the NBA. The NBA is for athletes that CAN SHOOT.
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Selfless players that didn’t want to play with Markus or Tyler Herro. I guess that’s selfless
Selfless players who, if you believe the meat eaters, wrote a letter to formally object to their roles and attempted to rope the rest of team into it.
I don't wish anything bad for the Hausers, but the determined efforts of some here to portray them as something other than a couple of kids looking out for their own best interests (which is perfectly OK, by the way) is very misguided.
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I don’t have a strong opinion if Joey or Sam will make the NBA. My gut says they will, and it will be more than a cup of coffee for both. But concerns who they can defend at that level are legit.
I am going to root very hard for them and not be a bitter jackass like many of our fans though. I enjoyed watching them both very much at MU. Some of the commentary here since their departure is consistent with the maturity of Badger fans over an 18 year old showing the audacity in deciding to play at another school.
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You're absolutely correct. People claiming that the NBA is for shooters don't actually follow the NBA. The NBA is for athletes that CAN SHOOT.
I'd say a guy like Joe Harris, an NBA starter despite testing below average across the board in athletic drills at the draft combine, proves otherwise.
If you can be an elite shooter in the NBA, you can get by with limited athleticism. The league has plenty of guys who fit that bill. I just question whether Sam has even the limited athleticism, relative to NBA players, to earn a consistent role in the league. Joey is bigger and more athletic, which would seem to give him a better chance.
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I'd say a guy like Joe Harris, an NBA starter despite testing below average across the board in athletic drills at the draft combine, proves otherwise.
If you can be an elite shooter in the NBA, you can get by with limited athleticism. The league has plenty of guys who fit that bill. I just question whether Sam has even the limited athleticism, relative to NBA players, to earn a consistent role in the league. Joey is bigger and more athletic, which would seem to give him a better chance.
Joey is certainly bigger, but he isn't NBA big. Who does Joey guard in the NBA? What position does he play? He might be more athletic than Sam, but he isn't fast enough to beat guys off the dribble in the NBA. He won't be creating his own shot... and if he is a 6'9" spot shooter (he isn't) who can't guard anyone... aren't there a hundred guys like that already in the league?
Hey, I'll probably be proven wrong and have to eat crow... but I just don't see it. He strikes me as a guy that is like Henry... Successful in HS, Very good in college, and not viable in the NBA. I hope he rides the wave of hype to the NBA (for his sake), but I think he's just a very good college player... like his brother.
If we're saying he has a better chance than Sam, I can get on board. But the chance is still very slim.
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Joey is certainly bigger, but he isn't NBA big. Who does Joey guard in the NBA? What position does he play? He might be more athletic than Sam, but he isn't fast enough to beat guys off the dribble in the NBA. He won't be creating his own shot... and if he is a 6'9" spot shooter (he isn't) who can't guard anyone... aren't there a hundred guys like that already in the league?
Hey, I'll probably be proven wrong and have to eat crow... but I just don't see it. He strikes me as a guy that is like Henry... Successful in HS, Very good in college, and not viable in the NBA. I hope he rides the wave of hype to the NBA (for his sake), but I think he's just a very good college player... like his brother.
If we're saying he has a better chance than Sam, I can get on board. But the chance is still very slim.
Out of curiousity how can you say someone 6-9 (I thought he was 6-10?) isn't NBA big? I mean are you saying he's lanky? we haven't seen him in a year but I do know kids in college tend to bulk up as time goes on.
He won't stick in the NBA but he'll get a look, play some spot minutes for a bit, get wrapped up in a crappy trade and get waived.
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Out of curiousity how can you say someone 6-9 (I thought he was 6-10?) isn't NBA big? I mean are you saying he's lanky? we haven't seen him in a year but I do know kids in college tend to bulk up as time goes on.
He won't stick in the NBA but he'll get a look, play some spot minutes for a bit, get wrapped up in a crappy trade and get waived.
Because 6'9 220 isn't a big in the NBA. Everyone that is that height is carrying more weight, and they're faster. Also, yes, Joey is younger and can add weight... but will he get quicker when he does that? Doubtful.
You still may be right, but when does he jump to the draft? He better do it this year, otherwise the hype will have worn off, and he will be another year older.
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Selfless players who, if you believe the meat eaters, wrote a letter to formally object to their roles and attempted to rope the rest of team into it.
I don't wish anything bad for the Hausers, but the determined efforts of some here to portray them as something other than a couple of kids looking out for their own best interests (which is perfectly OK, by the way) is very misguided.
They want the ball to move. Did you ever watch SPASH play? You couldn't tell who was Top 100 (Sam) who was the potential McD's AA (Joey) or who was the UWGB kid. It was 5 dudes moving the ball. That's it. Markus is not an easy guy to play with. He changes the way a game is played and it was fundamentally different than what they were used to. I'm sure Wojo said over and over it would change (because he knew it wasn't sustainable) and yet it never changed.
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They want the ball to move. Did you ever watch SPASH play? You couldn't tell who was Top 100 (Sam) who was the potential McD's AA (Joey) or who was the UWGB kid.
I saw them play plenty and it was plainly obvious who the three D1 players were on that team.
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They want the ball to move. Did you ever watch SPASH play? You couldn't tell who was Top 100 (Sam) who was the potential McD's AA (Joey) or who was the UWGB kid. It was 5 dudes moving the ball. That's it. Markus is not an easy guy to play with. He changes the way a game is played and it was fundamentally different than what they were used to. I'm sure Wojo said over and over it would change (because he knew it wasn't sustainable) and yet it never changed.
Ah yes. The whole, "We don't want more shots, we just want everyone to shoot! We want to get Ed Morrow more shots, that's why we're leaving if Markus stays!" is back. Awesome.
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They want the ball to move. Did you ever watch SPASH play? You couldn't tell who was Top 100 (Sam) who was the potential McD's AA (Joey) or who was the UWGB kid. It was 5 dudes moving the ball. That's it. Markus is not an easy guy to play with. He changes the way a game is played and it was fundamentally different than what they were used to. I'm sure Wojo said over and over it would change (because he knew it wasn't sustainable) and yet it never changed.
So, they want to coach the team?
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I don’t have a strong opinion if Joey or Sam will make the NBA. My gut says they will, and it will be more than a cup of coffee for both. But concerns who they can defend at that level are legit.
I am going to root very hard for them and not be a bitter jackass like many of our fans though. I enjoyed watching them both very much at MU. Some of the commentary here since their departure is consistent with the maturity of Badger fans over an 18 year old showing the audacity in deciding to play at another school.
I don’t have a problem with them transferring and I’ll root for any kids that spurn Madison twice. However, I’m not rooting for them to spite Wojo or Marquette like some will be
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Yawn, same tired old arguments. They left because Howard was an exciting chucker, but that same chucker cost MU a lot of games.
You live by the chucker and you die by the chucker. Not many teams have won big with that philosophy.
Seton hall in the BET would be my thesis for that argument. Also the game the hausers bounced on the program.
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Yawn, same tired old arguments. They left because Howard was an exciting chucker, but that same chucker cost MU a lot of games.
You live by the chucker and you die by the chucker. Not many teams have won big with that philosophy.
Seton hall in the BET would be my thesis for that argument. Also the game the hausers bounced on the program.
I knew today would be the day of 1000 hot takes, but I didn't expect this to be one of them.
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Because 6'9 220 isn't a big in the NBA. Everyone that is that height is carrying more weight, and they're faster. Also, yes, Joey is younger and can add weight... but will he get quicker when he does that? Doubtful.
You still may be right, but when does he jump to the draft? He better do it this year, otherwise the hype will have worn off, and he will be another year older.
Not too different than what Porter Jr was listed if I recall? Probably won't get faster but would expect his lateral movement to get better. As far as jump to the draft, I don't know. If he's a senior and leads MSU to another final four some team will get him in the second round.
For me for the second round the GM just has a list like this
Height? Check
Ball handling for height? Check
Outside shot? Check
Post moves? Check
On ball Defense? TBD
Off ball Defense? TBD
It's not like the the lottery where players are drafted almost entirely on potential so yeah unless he's a turn style I think he'll get picked up.
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They want the ball to move. Did you ever watch SPASH play? You couldn't tell who was Top 100 (Sam) who was the potential McD's AA (Joey) or who was the UWGB kid. It was 5 dudes moving the ball. That's it. Markus is not an easy guy to play with. He changes the way a game is played and it was fundamentally different than what they were used to. I'm sure Wojo said over and over it would change (because he knew it wasn't sustainable) and yet it never changed.
You're deluding yourself here. As noted already, the Hausers didn't leave because they wanted more opportunities for Ed Morrow and Theo John. The Hausers left because they wanted what they believed would be better for themselves. The timing of their decision makes this evident. It was 100 percent about Markus and no one else.
Why this is some controversy confuses me. I'll never bash a kid who wants to maximize his limited chance to play college basketball. My only problem is with those who try to paint the Hausers as selfless martyrs driven to transfer because Mean Ol Coach Wojo wouldn't listen to them.
Again, there's nothing wrong with them making the decision to leave. The only thing that's wrong is thinking it was anything about the Hausers looking out for the Hausers.
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I knew today would be the day of 1000 hot takes, but I didn't expect this to be one of them.
Sure, in the 4 years that Howard was here, what did Marquette acomplish? With the all team leading scorer. Tell me bud.
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Joey is certainly bigger, but he isn't NBA big. Who does Joey guard in the NBA? What position does he play? He might be more athletic than Sam, but he isn't fast enough to beat guys off the dribble in the NBA. He won't be creating his own shot... and if he is a 6'9" spot shooter (he isn't) who can't guard anyone... aren't there a hundred guys like that already in the league?
Well, I mean, there are a lot of guys like in that in the league because that's the kind of player the league wants.
Who does he guard? The guys like him. Stretch fours. And, IMO, Joey is probably a little more athletic than he gets credit for here. He was a terrible defender, but I'm not sure that's a result of athleticism so much as skill (and will).
No one is suggesting that Joey becomes a 30 mpg guy in the league. But I do think he could earn his way on to the back end of a roster.
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Sure, in the 4 years that Howard was here, what did Marquette acomplish? With the all team leading scorer. Tell me bud.
What likely would have been three NCAA tournament appearances and some fun times.
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Sure, in the 4 years that Howard was here, what did Marquette acomplish? With the all team leading scorer. Tell me bud.
You're changing what you said. You called Howard a chucker. You called, literally, the best shooter in college basketball a chucker.
Look up his eFG%, look up his value add. If you want to place blame about the Hausers leaving, then it rests on their shoulders. Marcus was always going to shoot. Sam knew it, and it pulled heat off him so he could shoot too. If Joe thought there were going to be three balls on the court so each of them could shoot then that is on him. In addition to being one of the all time greats at Marquette, Marcus is a fantastic ambassador and an exemplary student athlete. I'll take Marcus over Joey Hauser every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Does the blame lay with Wojo for not surrounding Howard with more talent? Yup. But the Hauser's were out for themselves. And as Pakuni said, that's fine and I don't blame them.
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You're changing what you said. You called Howard a chucker. You called, literally, the best shooter in college basketball a chucker.
Look up his eFG%, look up his value add. If you want to place blame about the Hausers leaving, then it rests on their shoulders. Marcus was always going to shoot. Sam knew it, and it pulled heat off him so he could shoot too. If Joe thought there were going to be three balls on the court so each of them could shoot then that is on him. In addition to being one of the all time greats at Marquette, Marcus is a fantastic ambassador and an exemplary student athlete. I'll take Marcus over Joey Hauser every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Does the blame lay with Wojo for not surrounding Howard with more talent? Yup. But the Hauser's were out for themselves. And as Pakuni said, that's fine and I don't blame them.
^Markus
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^Markus
Yup, my bad.
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You're deluding yourself here. As noted already, the Hausers didn't leave because they wanted more opportunities for Ed Morrow and Theo John. The Hausers left because they wanted what they believed would be better for themselves. The timing of their decision makes this evident. It was 100 percent about Markus and no one else.
Why this is some controversy confuses me. I'll never bash a kid who wants to maximize his limited chance to play college basketball. My only problem is with those who try to paint the Hausers as selfless martyrs driven to transfer because Mean Ol Coach Wojo wouldn't listen to them.
Again, there's nothing wrong with them making the decision to leave. The only thing that's wrong is thinking it was anything about the Hausers looking out for the Hausers.
This is the only take on the situation that makes sense. Well done, Pak.
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You're deluding yourself here. As noted already, the Hausers didn't leave because they wanted more opportunities for Ed Morrow and Theo John. The Hausers left because they wanted what they believed would be better for themselves. The timing of their decision makes this evident. It was 100 percent about Markus and no one else.
Why this is some controversy confuses me. I'll never bash a kid who wants to maximize his limited chance to play college basketball. My only problem is with those who try to paint the Hausers as selfless martyrs driven to transfer because Mean Ol Coach Wojo wouldn't listen to them.
Again, there's nothing wrong with them making the decision to leave. The only thing that's wrong is thinking it was anything about the Hausers looking out for the Hausers.
The Hausers left to play in better programs led by better coaches. They were the only two of Markus’s teammates who had that opportunity. Where were Theo or Ed going? Sacar? Bailey? Cain? Elliot? Answer: nowhere, though Ed eventually quit and Bailey left early to go “pro” (LOL).
Bottom line: nobody likes standing around watching someone dominate the ball. Markus (whether by Wojo’s design or his inability to control his best player) dominated it like no other Power 6 player in the history of the statistic. IMHO, that’s neither the best way to win games or the best way to keep a team together. Back to back seasons in which we collapsed when it counted most support that opinion.
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The Hausers left to play in better programs led by better coaches. They were the only two of Markus’s teammates who had that opportunity. Where were Theo or Ed going? Sacar? Bailey? Cain? Elliot? Answer: nowhere, though Ed eventually quit and Bailey left early to go “pro” (LOL).
Bottom line: nobody likes standing around watching someone dominate the ball. Markus (whether by Wojo’s design or his inability to control his best player) dominated it like no other Power 6 player in the history of the statistic. IMHO, that’s neither the best way to win games or the best way to keep a team together. Back to back seasons in which we collapsed when it counted most support that opinion.
You don't think Sacar, Cain, etc. could have transferred?
And Bailey went pro even though Markus was done by that point.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I think you are exaggerating the point a bit.
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You don't think Sacar, Cain, etc. could have transferred?
And Bailey went pro even though Markus was done by that point.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I think you are exaggerating the point a bit.
Knock it off. Much like Ed quit because Markus is hard to play with, Brendan couldn’t wait to leave because Markus was hard to play with. Forget that Markus wouldn’t have been on the roster, Brendan left early because of the difficulty of playing with him.
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You don't think Sacar, Cain, etc. could have transferred?
And Bailey went pro even though Markus was done by that point.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I think you are exaggerating the point a bit.
Anyone can transfer, especially if you’re willing to transfer “down”. But who wants to transfer to a mid major when 60+ minutes of playing time just opened up at the high major where you presently play?
Re Bailey, you have a point, but to me he looked pretty dispirited by season’s end.
You’re also right about me exaggerating a bit, but I find it frustrating that so many here can’t see the obvious through their blue and gold tinted glasses.
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You’re also right about me exaggerating a bit, but I find it frustrating that so many here can’t see the obvious through their blue and gold tinted glasses.
The obvious is that Sam and Joey left because Sam and Joey decided it would be in Sam's and Joey's best interests to leave. That's it.
The only people missing the obvious are those so eager to ascribe altruistic or any other motivations for their decisions.
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The obvious is that Sam and Joey left because Sam and Joey decided it would be in Sam's and Joey's best interests to leave. That's it.
The only people missing the obvious are those so eager to ascribe altruistic or any other motivations for their decisions.
Lol no kidding. Absolutely hysterical people actually believe they left because they were “selfless” and wanted “ball movement.”
According to the meat eaters, Mrs. Hauser was desperately hoping Markus would leave for the NBA. Which, of course, wouldn’t have changed the Hauser’s mind if they wanted a different offense, as we’ve seen this offense since Wojo has been here (Carlino, Hank, Rowsey, Howard).
So why did the Hausers desperately want Markus to go pro? So that the Hausers could see their usage skyrocket.
Err no. So Theo, Ed, and Jamal could shoot more!
Lol.
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The obvious is that Sam and Joey left because Sam and Joey decided it would be in Sam's and Joey's best interests to leave. That's it.
The only people missing the obvious are those so eager to ascribe altruistic or any other motivations for their decisions.
Pak,
You’re right. Sort of and as far as it goes.
Of course Sam and Joey felt it was in their own best interest to leave. Everybody who has ever transferred fits that description.
But did “their best interest” means they left to hunt more shots? At MSU and UVA? Don’t think so. Makes no sense. Does “their best interest” mean being better coached? Wojo vs Bennett or Izzo? Yep. Does “their own best
interest” mean winning more? Sure. Better coaches win more and that’s fun. Does “their own best interest” mean playing in a team concept that they prefer? Yes. Does “their own best interest” mean being better prepared for the next level, whatever that may be? Of course. Izzo/Bennett vs Wojo. No contest, really.
You’re a smart guy. I don’t for a second believe that you don’t understand that having the highest usage % player in power 6 conference history can negatively impact chemistry in a team game. On top of that, as the season wears on it isn’t an effective strategy to win games. Back to back collapses by our Warriors illustrate that point.
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Pak,
You’re right. Sort of and as far as it goes.
Of course Sam and Joey felt it was in their own best interest to leave. Everybody who has ever transferred fits that description.
But did “their best interest” means they left to hunt more shots? At MSU and UVA? Don’t think so. Makes no sense. Does “their best interest” mean being better coached? Wojo vs Bennett or Izzo? Yep. Does “their own best
interest” mean winning more? Sure. Better coaches win more and that’s fun. Does “their own best interest” mean playing in a team concept that they prefer? Yes. Does “their own best interest” mean being better prepared for the next level, whatever that may be? Of course. Izzo/Bennett vs Wojo. No contest, really.
You’re a smart guy. I don’t for a second believe that you don’t understand that having the highest usage % player in power 6 conference history can negatively impact chemistry in a team game. On top of that, as the season wears on it isn’t an effective strategy to win games. Back to back collapses by our Warriors illustrate that point.
Markus didn’t have the highest usage % in power 6 conference history when the Hausers wanted to get Ed, Theo, Jamal, and others more shots. (I literally can’t say that with a straight face.)
But he did when Bailey decided to go pro because of Markus. Because Markus graduated and wouldn’t have been able to come back. But hey. Markus is hard to play with so Brendan wanted out. Lol.
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So why did the Hausers desperately want Markus to go pro? So that the Hausers could see their usage skyrocket.
Dingdingding
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Pak,
You’re right. Sort of and as far as it goes.
Of course Sam and Joey felt it was in their own best interest to leave. Everybody who has ever transferred fits that description.
But did “their best interest” means they left to hunt more shots? At MSU and UVA? Don’t think so. Makes no sense. Does “their best interest” mean being better coached? Wojo vs Bennett or Izzo? Yep. Does “their own best
interest” mean winning more? Sure. Better coaches win more and that’s fun. Does “their own best interest” mean playing in a team concept that they prefer? Yes. Does “their own best interest” mean being better prepared for the next level, whatever that may be? Of course. Izzo/Bennett vs Wojo. No contest, really.
You’re a smart guy. I don’t for a second believe that you don’t understand that having the highest usage % player in power 6 conference history can negatively impact chemistry in a team game. On top of that, as the season wears on it isn’t an effective strategy to win games. Back to back collapses by our Warriors illustrate that point.
Lenny,
If it were all about playing for a better coach/team/system, then why wait more than three weeks after the loss to Murray State to announce their intentions? Why attend the team banquet? Why not tell the coaching staff in postseason discussions Why wait until after Markus made his decision?
Was Izzo's coaching relative to Wojo any different on April 8 than April 15? Was Virginia's success relative to Marquette's any different on the day of the banquet than the day of their announcement?
Obviously not.
The only factor that was different from the end of the season to their announcement was that they knew for certain that Markus was returning.
You can rationalize their decision any way you choose, but the timing is a big, flashing neon sign that spells out their motives.
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Everytime I see this picture in an attack on Joey I lose braincells.
It was very clearly 100% on Bailey...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8xzYNhvpxk&ab_channel=GPII
True on Bailey.
Not to be CaptObvious, but please pause the clip at about 7.5 seconds.
At the apex of their (simultaneous) respective jumps, Ja’s feet are above Joey’s knees.
I think that’s all people are sayin’.
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Not to be CaptObvious, but please pause the clip at about 7.5 seconds.
At the apex of their (simultaneous) respective jumps, Ja’s feet are above Joey’s knees.
I think that’s all people are sayin’.
And if that’s what people are saying, that is a really stupid point because Morant had a running start and gathered momentum for his jump 20 feet out while Joey had time to take all of 2 or 3 steps not even close to ramping up to full momentum and speed because of angle he was coming from to help.
But Joey did have the audacity to bail on MU for what he felt was a better opportunity, so yeah, he’s a giant stiff.
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And if that’s what people are saying, that is a really stupid point because Morant had a running start and gathered momentum for his jump 20 feet out while Joey had time to take all of 2 or 3 steps not even close to ramping up to full momentum and speed because of angle he was coming from to help.
But Joey did have the audacity to bail on MU for what he felt was a better opportunity, so yeah, he’s a giant stiff.
He’s not a stiff but I think questions about his ability to defend in the Association are quite legit and valid
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He’s not a stiff but I think questions about his ability to defend in the Association are quite legit and valid
Yeah, maybe they are. But holding up Morant’s dunk on him is a really poor example to use to make that point (which I know did not come from you).
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Yeah, maybe they are. But holding up Morant’s dunk on him is a really poor example to use to make that point (which I know did not come from you).
No but its f*cking hilarious.
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Lenny,
If it were all about playing for a better coach/team/system, then why wait more than three weeks after the loss to Murray State to announce their intentions? Why attend the team banquet? Why not tell the coaching staff in postseason discussions Why wait until after Markus made his decision?
Was Izzo's coaching relative to Wojo any different on April 8 than April 15? Was Virginia's success relative to Marquette's any different on the day of the banquet than the day of their announcement?
Obviously not.
The only factor that was different from the end of the season to their announcement was that they knew for certain that Markus was returning.
You can rationalize their decision any way you choose, but the timing is a big, flashing neon sign that spells out their motives.
I know if I was a scorer, I wouldn't want to play with a team where Markus was the PG, either. Honestly, why would you? I think that is the most worrying thing about Wojo, to me. In the recruiting thread, it seems like when we are talking to top recruits that consider Marquette they consider us because they think they will get the Markus "dominate the ball" treatment. That is not a recipe for winning or for a happy team or balanced recruiting. Like, Lenny I'm an older fellow and perhaps I don't understand what teenagers are thinking these days, and I fully acknowledge that.
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And if that’s what people are saying, that is a really stupid point because Morant had a running start and gathered momentum for his jump 20 feet out while Joey had time to take all of 2 or 3 steps not even close to ramping up to full momentum and speed because of angle he was coming from to help.
But Joey did have the audacity to bail on MU for what he felt was a better opportunity, so yeah, he’s a giant stiff.
Do you think the longer runway you have the higher you can jump? 3 steps is all you need. It's very clear which one is an NBA athlete and which one took his ball, went home, and then cried that he had to follow the rules and sit out a year before playing.
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I know if I was a scorer, I wouldn't want to play with a team where Markus was the PG, either. Honestly, why would you? I think that is the most worrying thing about Wojo, to me. In the recruiting thread, it seems like when we are talking to top recruits that consider Marquette they consider us because they think they will get the Markus "dominate the ball" treatment. That is not a recipe for winning or for a happy team or balanced recruiting. Like, Lenny I'm an older fellow and perhaps I don't understand what teenagers are thinking these days, and I fully acknowledge that.
Sam Hauser was a top 20 BE player in FGA, 3PGA (top 10), FG, 3FG, points and points per game.
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I know if I was a scorer, I wouldn't want to play with a team where Markus was the PG, either. Honestly, why would you? I think that is the most worrying thing about Wojo, to me. In the recruiting thread, it seems like when we are talking to top recruits that consider Marquette they consider us because they think they will get the Markus "dominate the ball" treatment. That is not a recipe for winning or for a happy team or balanced recruiting. Like, Lenny I'm an older fellow and perhaps I don't understand what teenagers are thinking these days, and I fully acknowledge that.
You aren't going to keep a roster together. If you have that as a goal as a fan, prepare to be disappointed.
Purdue had no issue winning basketball games with a ball dominant scorer. They were one of the most miraculous plays away from a Final Four/taking out the team that eventually won the national championship.
There is more than 1 way to win a basketball game.
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I know if I was a scorer, I wouldn't want to play with a team where Markus was the PG, either. Honestly, why would you? I think that is the most worrying thing about Wojo, to me. In the recruiting thread, it seems like when we are talking to top recruits that consider Marquette they consider us because they think they will get the Markus "dominate the ball" treatment. That is not a recipe for winning or for a happy team or balanced recruiting. Like, Lenny I'm an older fellow and perhaps I don't understand what teenagers are thinking these days, and I fully acknowledge that.
That's fine, they don't have to. But that is what they signed up for. Joey KNEW when he came to Marquette that Markus was the team. And there are a lot of people around here that seem to be ignoring the fact that Markus is one of the best shooters in NCAA history, and a FIRST TEAM ALL AMERICAN. Markus deserved to see that ball in his hands every trip down the court. What about Joey Hauser's game demonstrated that he should be an equal option?
Markus is a once in a generation talent for our school, and I think a lot of folks around here don't give the man the respect he deserves.
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That's fine, they don't have to. But that is what they signed up for. Joey KNEW when he came to Marquette that Markus was the team. And there are a lot of people around here that seem to be ignoring the fact that Markus is one of the best shooters in NCAA history, and a FIRST TEAM ALL AMERICAN. Markus deserved to see that ball in his hands every trip down the court. What about Joey Hauser's game demonstrated that he should be an equal option?
Markus is a once in a generation talent for our school, and I think a lot of folks around here don't give the man the respect he deserves.
To be fair, the two years of Markus Joey had seen saw a team that excelled at sharing the ball with something like 6 double digit scorers. And a year where Rowsey managed 20ppg as did Markus while Sam managed 14ppg.
Possible Joey might've expected Sam to up his PPG with Rowsey not there and himself slide into Sam's sophomore role. Rather than Markus taking a ton of Rowsey's shots and usage.
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Sam and Joey both have some injury concerns. Sam's hip has really limited his agility the last 2 years. Rewatch his freshman year and it's night and day.
Joey also looked less explosive in college than high school. Let's see if the ankle is healed and what kind of explosiveness he has this year.
Joey also has to have a better attitude if he's going to make it in the NBA. If he had problems playing with Markus, how's he going to deal with the Kobe's and MJ's of the world? It's almost comical to think about.
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To be fair, the two years of Markus Joey had seen saw a team that excelled at sharing the ball with something like 6 double digit scorers. And a year where Rowsey managed 20ppg as did Markus while Sam managed 14ppg.
Possible Joey might've expected Sam to up his PPG with Rowsey not there and himself slide into Sam's sophomore role. Rather than Markus taking a ton of Rowsey's shots and usage.
That's a good argument. But it isn't as if Sam and Joey weren't scoring when they played with Markus. There was plenty of ball to go around.
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I honestly think the problem was Joey just not being happy. I think if Joey would have gone to MSU to start with, Sam would have finished out his career at Marquette.
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I honestly think the problem was Joey just not being happy. I think if Joey would have gone to MSU to start with, Sam would have finished out his career at Marquette.
Some truth to this. I think Sam saw his frustrations as being validated by Joey.
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That's fine, they don't have to. But that is what they signed up for. Joey KNEW when he came to Marquette that Markus was the team. And there are a lot of people around here that seem to be ignoring the fact that Markus is one of the best shooters in NCAA history, and a FIRST TEAM ALL AMERICAN. Markus deserved to see that ball in his hands every trip down the court. What about Joey Hauser's game demonstrated that he should be an equal option?
Markus is a once in a generation talent for our school, and I think a lot of folks around here don't give the man the respect he deserves.
I agree with most of this - particularly that Joey knew what he was walking into. But I also think that Markus's undeniable talent, combined with how he was used, was probably a hair better at filling the stat sheet than winning games. And I am a bit sympathetic to how frustrating that would be to players like the Hausers. It really sucks how their leaving undercut a team that was going to come into the season ranked in the top 10 and maybe the top 5. There is no denying Markus's talent. But I also find it hard to deny that everything about MU during his tenure was geared toward extracting every possible drop from that talent, possibly at the expense of the talent development and showcase of other players.
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We played a system for the last two years where one player's usage was historically high. The team's success wasn't historically high. Other good players didn't want to play in that system.
It's really not that shocking - particularly in today's college game. It's just another item that has left the last few years as less than fulfilling on the court.
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We played a system for the last two years where one player's usage was historically high. The team's success wasn't historically high. Other good players didn't want to play in that system.
It's really not that shocking - particularly in today's college game. It's just another item that has left the last few years as less than fulfilling on the court.
I agree. I think there was a style of play that could have kept them happy. The ball movement in Sam’s first two years was a thing of beauty at times. With Markus’ scoring and efficiency, Wojo hitched the wagon to Markus.
I think it’s as simple as they didn’t want to spend the rest of their careers in that type of system. There may be an argument to be made that Wojo bet on the right horse based on Markus’ efficiency. Especially because I think Joey was a bit shaky his freshman year other than some good 3 pt shooting at times.
I think the final straw was when Markus’ efficiency dropped with injury, the style of play didn’t change with it. So next year was likely more the same.
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I agree. I think there was a style of play that could have kept them happy. The ball movement in Sam’s first two years was a thing of beauty at times. With Markus’ scoring and efficiency, Wojo hitched the wagon to Markus.
I think it’s as simple as they didn’t want to spend the rest of their careers in that type of system. There may be an argument to be made that Wojo bet on the right horse based on Markus’ efficiency. Especially because I think Joey was a bit shaky his freshman year other than some good 3 pt shooting at times.
I think the final straw was when Markus’ efficiency dropped with injury, the style of play didn’t change with it. So next year was likely more the same.
It was a stupid decision regardless. Made rashly. Sam played with Markus for 3 years. Markus also drew a ton of defensive looks that made Sam not a defensive priority. Joey would have had to deal with one more year of the 'Markus show'... And then the team would have essentially been his. Instead, he transferred to MSU and sat out a year. So yeah, now he is at MSU where he also probably won't be the main attraction. And Sam got a year older and hurt his draft chances (if he had any to begin with).
So what was the point of all this? Egos baby, gotta feed em.
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It was a stupid decision regardless. Made rashly. Sam played with Markus for 3 years. Markus also drew a ton of defensive looks that made Sam not a defensive priority. Joey would have had to deal with one more year of the 'Markus show'... And then the team would have essentially been his. Instead, he transferred to MSU and sat out a year. So yeah, now he is at MSU where he also probably won't be the main attraction. And Sam got a year older and hurt his draft chances (if he had any to begin with).
So what was the point of all this? Egos baby, gotta feed em.
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So when this season is cancelled, do The Brothers Hauser give their new schools a third year to play one? Otule would be proud.
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So when this season is cancelled, do The Brothers Hauser give their new schools a third year to play one? Otule would be proud.
Sam would fit in on the BYU roster by then.
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Sam could free transfer back to Marquette. No cancer Markus to NEVER pass him the ball.
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Sam could free transfer back to Marquette. No cancer Markus to NEVER pass him the ball.
Hopefully by then, Wojo recruits guys committed to play team defense.