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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: HowardsWorld on November 07, 2019, 07:56:07 AM
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6 Days away but I always get excited about these match ups. Last year I attended Buffalo, Wisconsin and K-State.
An interesting battle that no one is talking about is Haams the 7 ft 3 guy from Purdue against Theo John. That will be a junk yard dog battle down low.
I fully expect a win here if Howard is on but should be a good game regardless.
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I am not very confident about this game and I have no idea why anyone would expect a win. They are a top 25 team playing at home, and Marquette is Markus Howard and a bunch of unknowns. I'm more worried about this turning into Indiana from last year more than anything.
And Haarms against John concerns me because of Theo's foul issues. This is exactly the game where we needed Jayce, and unfortunately that's not going to happen.
I'd be surprised if we lose by only 10.
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I am not very confident about this game and I have no idea why anyone would expect a win. They are a top 25 team playing at home, and Marquette is Markus Howard and a bunch of unknowns. I'm more worried about this turning into Indiana from last year more than anything.
And Haarms against John concerns me because of Theo's foul issues. This is exactly the game where we needed Jayce, and unfortunately that's not going to happen.
I'd be surprised if we lose by only 10.
You do know the game is @ Marquette right?
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Yeah, I have no idea why I screwed that up. I knew that but somehow had in mind that we had two road games upcoming.
I'm still concerned and don't expect to win however.
Thanks for pointing out my obvious error.
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Nojel Eastern is dinged up. Held out of the exhibition with a knee and was taken to the locker room for his wrist yesterday. Watched some of the Green Bay game and while they have some talent, I'm not convinced Proctor is a go-to guy at the high major level.
Both teams can defend, but I don't think they can score enough to beat us.
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They not only have Haarms, but also Trevion Williams and Evan Boudreaux inside. I expected them to be more of an inside team this year, but Proctor went for 26 last night. Eastern may be injured, but I expect lots of different looks at Markus. Aaron Wheeler and Eric Hunter will also probably spend time guarding him. This is a team that looks like a bad match up, but we shall see.
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It is all about Markus, when he is on MU will be fine, off, they lose. Purdue lost Carson Edwards, they do not have much fire power this year. Watched the game last night, they are more physical but are not that talented. No 3 point shooters. If Theo does not get into foul trouble, I can see an MU win.
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I feel like haarms has been there for at least 10 years
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I feel like haarms has been there for at least 10 years
Probably because he's a clone of Isaac Haas before him.
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Wojo has been boat raced in these Gavitt Games. I’m expecting that to continue. Just hoping we can keep it close. So far each of these games have been a blow out.
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Wojo has been boat raced in these Gavitt Games. I’m expecting that to continue. Just hoping we can keep it close. So far each of these games have been a blow out.
This is exactly what I was going to say. Our track record in the Gavitt games, even at home, is horrendous. No way I'm getting my hopes up for this one. Hope I'm wrong.
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I'm looking forward to it because it's a new opportunity to bet with one of my kids. My older daughter -- bless her heart -- was willing to agree to an MU/GU bet where she had to wear one of my MU shirts around campus after MU won. I agreed to wear GU gear if they lost. But I wear GU gear that she's given me from time to time anyway, so that's nothing. I'm going to try to make the same bet with my PU daughter, but I don't think she'll fall for that. She's going to want something from me.
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Probably because he's a clone of Isaac Haas before him.
Yah, but Haarms is a whole lot skinnier than Haas. ;)
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Purdue lost 3 starters who combined to average 94 minutes and 42 points per game. Included in that trio was their version of Markus Howard. Their "unknown" factor is greater than ours. As Brew pointed out, their best player (Eastern) is dinged. We're at home. I assume we'll be slight favorites. If Fluffy is right (Purdue wins in a blow out) I'll be surprised and disappointed.
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Both teams can defend, but I don't think they can score enough to beat us.
They can if MU isn't stronger with the basketball than they were Tuesday.
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Watched some of game last night. A lot of lengrh on perimeter. Dont like that one bit.
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If we had Jayce in the mix I'd say 60/40 MU, without him Haarms might be too much if Theo gets in foul trouble.
Good game for Koby to step up as a legit #2 option and hopefully Greg & Brendan's threes are dropping
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Probably because he's a clone of Isaac Haas before him.
It’s disgusting Indiana schools get away with this. How many Harangodey clones were there at ND?
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Under Wojo, MU is 0-5 in the first B1G games (Gavitt or not) of the season. Wojo is also 1-4 in BE lidlifters. Time to change this.
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Yah, but Haarms is a whole lot skinnier than Haas. ;)
Which one was the OCD hair flipper?
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If we had Jayce in the mix I'd say 60/40 MU, without him Haarms might be too much if Theo gets in foul trouble.
Good game for Koby to step up as a legit #2 option and hopefully Greg & Brendan's threes are dropping
No Sacar love?
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Yeah, I have no idea why I screwed that up. I knew that but somehow had in mind that we had two road games upcoming.
I'm still concerned and don't expect to win however.
Thanks for pointing out my obvious error.
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I am not very confident about this game and I have no idea why anyone would expect a win. They are a top 25 team playing at home, and Marquette is Markus Howard and a bunch of unknowns. I'm more worried about this turning into Indiana from last year more than anything.
And Haarms against John concerns me because of Theo's foul issues. This is exactly the game where we needed Jayce, and unfortunately that's not going to happen.
I'd be surprised if we lose by only 10.
Your comment is obviously flawed as we play them at home in Milwaukee and will beat them by ten.
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This will be a good test for Theo. You've got to think Painter will go at Theo early to see if they can get him to pick up a few quick fouls to get him out of the game. It's hard for me to remember much about Haarms' game with all the hair flipping burned in my brain, but from what I do recall, I don't think he's got a ton of offensive ability. He's huge, so that's always going to be an advantage, but Theo's strength and athleticism should help to offset that. If Theo can manage to stay out of foul trouble, this could be a fun matchup to watch.
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The Busting Brackets pre-season review has a good preview for the Purdue matchup. If Markus gets hot and our defense holds up, I think we can reverse some of the ugly trends noted in the preview.
https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/06/28/marquette-basketball-reviewing-2019-20-non-conference-schedule/3/ (https://bustingbrackets.com/2019/06/28/marquette-basketball-reviewing-2019-20-non-conference-schedule/3/)
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Under Wojo, MU is 0-5 in the first B1G games (Gavitt or not) of the season. Wojo is also 1-4 in BE lidlifters. Time to change this.
Crapshoots, ai'na?
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Just got an email from MU ticket office with advertisement for $10 tickets for this game.
The $10 tickets vs. Big Ten foe Purdue will go on sale Sunday, November 10 at 10:00 a.m. for ONLY 10 hours (10:00 a.m. - 8:00 p.m.), while supplies last!
I guess demand for a November weeknight game isn't super-high, even for a ranked opponent. Nice to see they are willing to do what it takes to fill the joint. I wish I could go!
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This will be a good test for Theo. You've got to think Painter will go at Theo early to see if they can get him to pick up a few quick fouls to get him out of the game. It's hard for me to remember much about Haarms' game with all the hair flipping burned in my brain, but from what I do recall, I don't think he's got a ton of offensive ability. He's huge, so that's always going to be an advantage, but Theo's strength and athleticism should help to offset that. If Theo can manage to stay out of foul trouble, this could be a fun matchup to watch.
Haarms is really skilled in high PnRs. Didn’t get a chance to see Proctor the other night, but Haarms is dangerous with the right partner. Not really a back to the basket guy like Haas was.
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Game will likely be decided by the zebras and what kind of game they will call. Early in the season they tend to call tight games and this will likely hurt our chances of a win.
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Game will likely be decided by the zebras and what kind of game they will call. Early in the season they tend to call tight games and this will likely hurt our chances of a win.
Really? I would think the tighter they call it the better chance we'll have. Theo may foul out, but Markus could get 15-20 fts, and we all know that TEAM FREE THROW RATE matta.
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Texas at Purdue on FS1 today
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Watching them play right now, Wheeler will be the difference maker in the game
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Kenpom says we win by 1 at home. He also has us ranked at 15 and Prudue at 7. I have tremendous respect for his predictions but I don't see this going our way. I will love to be wrong but I see us loosing by double digits.
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I know it's early, but Purdue is sloppy. A number of late, unforced turnovers and another Haarms offensive foul have allowed Texas to reclaim the lead after falling down by 5.
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Texas is using the pick and roll very well
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Purdue destroying them on the boards........we are going to need to limit turnovers and shoot it well because I fear they are going to get a high percentage of their misses back on offensive rebounds.
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Purdue takes the L. Hopefully we beat these clowns at fiserv
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Refs not kind to Boilers at the end. Great win for Texas.......2 good teams battled until the end.
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Refs not kind to Boilers at the end. Great win for Texas.......2 good teams battled until the end.
Both these teams look to be Top 20.
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0-9 is embarrassing. Got to exorcise the Rick Mount ghost and win one of these.
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All's we have to do is channel our inner Shaka.
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All's we have to do is channel our inner Shaka.
Done deal !
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Kenpom says we win by 1 at home. He also has us ranked at 15 and Prudue at 7. I have tremendous respect for his predictions but I don't see this going our way. I will love to be wrong but I see us loosing by double digits.
Sadly, I agree as Markus is the only guy that can score on our team as the other 4 just stand around passing the ball side to side.
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Sadly, I agree as Markus is the only guy that can score on our team as the other 4 just stand around passing the ball side to side.
How lowly do you think of this team? They just lost to texas. They dont seem crazy good. Were gonna lose at home by double digits? I mean maybe but damn I think were better than getting blown out at home to purdue
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Will Baker, top 35 recruit for Texas, 7 minutes, 0 points, 2 rebounds, 0 turnovers. Not the production Texas fans thought they'd be getting.
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Watched a majority of the game. Purdue swarms to the ball as soon as it gets in the paint. I think we should see Markus more off ball and have Kobe drive and kick early and often.
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Watched a majority of the game. Purdue swarms to the ball as soon as it gets in the paint. I think we should see Markus more off ball and have Kobe drive and kick early and often.
They even were swarming early on drives. Lots of easy baskets at the rim when they would initiate a drive to draw a defender out of the paint and thread a pass to attackers in the post. Our bigs could really thrive doing that if our guards can get the ball in there.
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Watched a majority of the game. Purdue swarms to the ball as soon as it gets in the paint. I think we should see Markus more off ball and have Kobe drive and kick early and often.
Agree but is it in our playbook? So far we are seeing a game plan similar to last year.
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Agree but is it in our playbook? So far we are seeing a game plan similar to last year.
Koby brought up the ball with Markus playing off quite a bit last week. Regardless it was one game.
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Purdue's a good, well-coached team. KenPom ranks them #9 in the country. But this is definitely a winnable game.
Texas (ranked #30) put up 1.09 ppp, shooting 65.2% from 2-point range and 40.9% beyond the arc. After Purdue took a 62-57 lead with 3:14 to go, the Longhorns outscored the Boilermakers 13-4 the rest of the way. In other words, Purdue faded badly down the stretch and got outplayed at home by a team they should have beaten.
Even with 7-3 Matt Haarms, 6-9 Aaron Wheeler and 6-9 Trevion Williams, their interior defense was mostly ineffective. While they kept Texas off the offensive glass and forced 16 turnovers, that doesn't matter much when you allow an effective field goal percentage of 63.3% by your opponent. That was Purdue's worst defensive performance since losing to Virginia Tech on a neutral court a year ago.
If Marquette can keep turnovers in check, we should have the athleticism and depth to run Purdue out of Fiserv Forum.
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Will Baker, top 35 recruit for Texas, 7 minutes, 0 points, 2 rebounds, 0 turnovers. Not the production Texas fans thought they'd be getting.
Ouch
Watched him a bunch 2 years ago bc he ran with our guy Quentin Grimes... was a pretty big fan tbh
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Any word on Jayce? Feel like he is a big cog in this game
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If Marquette can keep turnovers in check, we should have the athleticism and depth to run Purdue out of Fiserv Forum.
Uh oh...
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T-Rank projects a 73-70 Marquette win over Purdue.
http://www.barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Marquette&year=2020 (http://www.barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Marquette&year=2020)
The Matchup Zone predicts an even bigger winning margin: 81-73 Marquette.
http://matchup-zone.com/teams/2020/MARQ/schedule (http://matchup-zone.com/teams/2020/MARQ/schedule)
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I wish they hadn't lost to Texas.
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I wish they hadn't lost to Texas.
Of course, there's a couple other ways to look at it: 1) Purdue isn't as good as the preseason rankings project -- at least, not at this point in the season; and/or 2) Texas just gave us the blueprint to beating the Boilermakers.
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T-Rank projects a 73-70 Marquette win over Purdue.
http://www.barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Marquette&year=2020 (http://www.barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Marquette&year=2020)
The Matchup Zone predicts an even bigger winning margin: 81-73 Marquette.
http://matchup-zone.com/teams/2020/MARQ/schedule (http://matchup-zone.com/teams/2020/MARQ/schedule)
I'll take either of those. Can we just skip the formality of actually playing, claim the victory, and start getting ready for F%cky?
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I'm bored as hell. Bring on the games already
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I'm bored as hell. Bring on the games already
Same. Opening week schedule for MU gets a giant F.
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Any word on Jayce? Feel like he is a big cog in this game
https://twitter.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1193996562910699520
Not available to play yet
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Same. Opening week schedule for MU gets a giant F.
The wait is excruciating. But it will be worth it if the extra time for game planning and practice pays off against Purdue.
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Same. Opening week schedule for MU gets a giant F.
Agree completely. But it's offset by the A grade for week two scheduling.
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Shoot well. Move the ball. No cheap turnovers. Pressure the ball on defense. Compete on the defensive boards. Of course, that is the formula in most games.
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Agree completely. But it's offset by the A grade for week two scheduling.
I guess. Playing Wisconsin on a Sunday is also a giant fail. Allowing yourself to play Purdue with a week off after Purdue has already played a game of significance. Also a fail.
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Marquette is 0-9 lifetime vs Purdue.
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I’m scurred. Please limit second chances for Purdue
Texas shot 63.3% & barely won
774-81 win-loss in 2018-19 for teams shooting 63.3% eFG% or better
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I guess. Playing Wisconsin on a Sunday is also a giant fail.
Not on a Sunday when the Packers have a bye. ;D
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The fans at the Kohl Hole can watch my Vikings on my iPhone during the game. Thanks, YTTV
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Marquette is 0-9 lifetime vs Purdue.
That’s brutal. Let’s get a win this week.
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If you need a little extra confidence, read some of the comments from Purdue fans about blowing the lead against Texas. More than one criticizes Nojel Eastern for not being tough enough after taking a shot below the belt. And check out the thread titled "We suck."
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/last-2-min.180548 (https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/last-2-min.180548/)
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/learnings-for-this-game.180551/ (https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/learnings-for-this-game.180551/)
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/we-suck.180537/ (https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/we-suck.180537/)
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I guess. Playing Wisconsin on a Sunday is also a giant fail. Allowing yourself to play Purdue with a week off after Purdue has already played a game of significance. Also a fail.
Scoop will complain about anything.
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So we go to Pursue next year? Or was this a challenge game?
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Shoot well. Move the ball. No cheap turnovers. Pressure the ball on defense. Compete, compete, compete on the defensive boards. Of course, that is the formula in most games.
FIFY
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So we go to Pursue next year? Or was this a challenge game?
Its gavit game. No pursue next year
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Scoop will complain about anything.
I mean, its a pretty legit thing to complain about. The opening week schedule was atrocious.
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Not on a Sunday when the Packers have a bye. ;D
A significant portion of Marquette fans don't give a flying fu** about the Packers.
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We need to stay out of Haarms way.
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A significant portion of Marquette fans don't give a flying fu** about the Packers.
Buuuuut, a significant portion of Marquette fans do give a flying fu** about the packers.
Although this feels way too early in the season for this game, I'm glad it fills this gap I have in my Sundays.
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Buuuuut, a significant portion of Marquette fans do give a flying fu** about the packers.
Although this feels way too early in the season for this game, I'm glad it fills this gap I have in my Sundays.
Sure, but as you said, still wayyyy to early for this game, and also removes 1 of the biggest games of the year from the national spotlight. No casual fans are tuning into Marquette-Wisconsin instead of NFL at noon on a Sunday. Playing this game on a Sunday is a schedule failure.
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I mean, its a pretty legit thing to complain about. The opening week schedule was atrocious.
Marquette doesn't schedule the Gavitt Games, you know?
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Marquette doesn't schedule the Gavitt Games, you know?
Yah, I am aware. I am talking about the week leading up to the Purdue game. Ya know, where we only played 1 game against a crapty team and pretty much all major teams have already played 2 or 3 games.
Should be interesting playing a Purdue team that has already been battle tested.
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Yah, I am aware. I am talking about the week leading up to the Purdue game. Ya know, where we only played 1 game against a crapty team and pretty much all major teams have already played 2 or 3 games.
Should be interesting playing a Purdue team that has already been battle tested.
So your complaint is Marquette isn't "battle tested" enough to play Purdue?
But, if MU had played another P6 school over the weekend, wouldn't they have lacked "battle testedness" for that game instead?
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If we say power 6 dont we have to be honest and say power 7?
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If we say power 6 dont we have to be honest and say power 7?
Who's the 7th?
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If we say power 6 dont we have to be honest and say power 7?
ACC
Big 10
Big 12
Big East
Pac 12
SEC
Who am I missing?
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AAC closer to power conference than they are closer to the rest you could argue. Ehhh.. big east is way ahead this year. With uconn leaving yeah idk. On second thought nvm..
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So your complaint is Marquette isn't "battle tested" enough to play Purdue?
But, if MU had played another P6 school over the weekend, wouldn't they have lacked "battle testedness" for that game instead?
If they played another team this weekend, chances are it would have been that teams first game against a real opponent.
It is what it is, but the early season schedule was poorly structured. There was no good reason to not a have a game last weekend.
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If they played another team this weekend, chances are it would have been that teams first game against a real opponent.
It is what it is, but the early season schedule was poorly structured. There was no good reason to not a have a game last weekend.
Unless it was an away game, they'd have had to play vs. robot dinosaurs.
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If they played another team this weekend, chances are it would have been that teams first game against a real opponent.
It is what it is, but the early season schedule was poorly structured. There was no good reason to not a have a game last weekend.
Scrimmaging almighty I4 has probably toughened us up for any competition we might face this year a1na
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If they played another team this weekend, chances are it would have been that teams first game against a real opponent.
It is what it is, but the early season schedule was poorly structured. There was no good reason to not a have a game last weekend.
Fiserv was booked all weekend.
So, I suppose they could have played a cupcake at the Al, taken a loss on it and not be any better prepared for Purdue.
Either way, they were going to have to play a P6 team at some point without having been previously "battle tested," whether that was over the weekend or Wednesday against Purdue.
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Fiserv was booked all weekend.
So, I suppose they could have played a cupcake at the Al, taken a loss on it and not be any better prepared for Purdue.
Either way, they were going to have to play a P6 team at some point without having been previously "battle tested," whether that was over the weekend or Wednesday against Purdue.
You're choosing to ignore that the other team has / or has not played a real opponent. But whatever, clearly we disagree but it is what it is.
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Options for game between Loyola and Purdue. 1. Road game. 2. Game at the Al. Road game has to be against a P6 school. Game at the Al ticks off the STH's.
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Options for game between Loyola and Purdue. 1. Road game. 2. Game at the Al. Road game has to be against a P6 school. Game at the Al ticks off the STH's.
Start a 3 or 4 for 1 with UWM or Green Bay. Play first year on the road.
Or start another home and home with a real opponent.
Boom - solved.
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Start a 3 or 4 for 1 at UWM or Green Bay. Play first year on the road.
Or start another home and home with a real opponent.
Boom - solved.
You want to commit to a four-year deal with a non-buy game opponent that includes a road game - all of which probably eliminates a home-and-home with a good team - just to avoid a single weekend without a game?
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More time to heal and less games to miss for Jayce.
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Yeah I'm not sure why the lack of a game this weekend really matters in the end. And no, playing a 3 for 1 with UWM or GB is a non-starter.
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Yeah I'm not sure why the lack of a game this weekend really matters in the end. And no, playing a 3 for 1 with UWM or GB is a non-starter.
People (myself included) are just hungry for MU ball. When almost every other team has already played 2-3 games and the only one we’ve played was against the Little Sisters of the Poor on a TV network that reached fewer sets than a backwoods public access channel, I understand the frustration.
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People (myself included) are just hungry for MU ball. When almost every other team has already played 2-3 games and the only one we’ve played was against the Little Sisters of the Poor on a TV network that reached fewer sets than a backwoods public access channel, I understand the frustration.
We will get the games in. Don’t worry.
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People (myself included) are just hungry for MU ball. When almost every other team has already played 2-3 games and the only one we’ve played was against the Little Sisters of the Poor on a TV network that reached fewer sets than a backwoods public access channel, I understand the frustration.
Sure, I get that. It's just not a big "fail" on the program's behalf because they couldn't get a game in this weekend, largely due to circumstances beyond their control.
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A significant portion of Marquette fans don't give a flying fu** about the Packers.
Beg your pardon. May God forgive you.
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People (myself included) are just hungry for MU ball. When almost every other team has already played 2-3 games and the only one we’ve played was against the Little Sisters of the Poor on a TV network that reached fewer sets than a backwoods public access channel, I understand the frustration.
For the record, DePaul is the only Beast team that has played someone that wouldn't be on the level of the Little Sisters of the Poor, and that was their Gavitt game where the schedule was out of their control. Right now it's us, CU, and Nova with one buy win, SH, PC, StJ, X, GU, and BU with 2 buy wins, and DP sitting pretty with 3+ the first Gavitt game. The way I see it, given the FF scheduling there is no other (logical) way we could have had our schedule.