I was reading in the JS today that Kolek said he is taunted by the Nova student section about being illiterate and with a taunt of "where were you on Jan 6"? Student section taunts can be ridiculous, but what is the origin of these taunts. I asked a few of my buddies and we were clueless. And PLEASE do not go down a political rabbit hole of Jan 6.
Here's where the "illiterate" thing came from:
https://twitter.com/S_CharlesNFL/status/1737209345157337380?lang=en
The not reading thing was because he wasn't on the graphic of players who earned a 3.0 or more.
The Jan 6 thing is probably just because he looks the part I guess.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2024, 08:46:51 AM
The not reading thing was because he wasn't on the graphic of players who earned a 3.0 or more.
The Jan 6 thing is probably just because he looks the part I guess.
Maybe he's a Cardinals fan
Kolek feeds off of taunts. Thank you, Nova student section for your help in securing Marquette's win last night.
This may be where the January 6 thing started; from a St. John's fan about a week ago:
https://twitter.com/SJUBarstool/status/1749859688194216058
And actually he did get a 3.0 so I think Nova fans have old info.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on January 31, 2024, 08:48:30 AM
This may be where the January 6 thing started; from a St. John's fan about a week ago:
https://twitter.com/SJUBarstool/status/1749859688194216058
A Providence fan sent out a Tweet awhile back saying something to the effect of "When I was in DC on January 6th I saw Tyler Kolek, we locked eyes and he ran away."
I think the joke flew over the heads of a lot of people.
To them, the most vile thing they could say about a person?
Doesn't quite belong in this thread but here's an interesting tweet:
Tyler Kolek, on Kyle Neptune:
"They come out, they announced Kyle Neptune and all their fans were booing. We looked at each other, like 'These fans lost confidence in him? Let's go at 'em. Let's take their confidence.' That adds something to us."
https://x.com/colin_beazley/status/1752564193687986434?s=20
Quote from: tower912 on January 31, 2024, 09:01:08 AM
To them, the most vile thing they could say about a person?
"Kolek wants to be a dentist"
Bwahahahaha
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2024, 08:53:42 AM
A Providence fan sent out a Tweet awhile back saying something to the effect of "When I was in DC on January 6th I saw Tyler Kolek, we locked eyes and he ran away."
I think the joke flew over the heads of a lot of people.
Where was Tyler on Jan 6 could've been the next Big East Films documentary.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on January 31, 2024, 08:46:27 AM
Here's where the "illiterate" thing came from:
https://twitter.com/S_CharlesNFL/status/1737209345157337380?lang=en
Some Nova blog tweeted, the irony of Wade donating $3 million for literacy while Kolek was on the team. I think they were completely serious too.
Quote from: MUDPT on January 31, 2024, 09:22:37 AM
Some Nova blog tweeted, the irony of Wade donating $3 million for literacy while Kolek was on the team. I think they were completely serious too.
Wouldnt that be the opposite of irony?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2024, 09:12:31 AM
Where was Tyler on Jan 6 could've been the next Big East Films documentary.
On 1/6/21, he logged 12 points in a home win v. VCU. But George Mason is less than an hours drive from DC.
Makes you think...
Wow ... fanz iz stoopid.
I will be fascinated to see if this gets picked up on by social media.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2024, 09:24:51 AM
On 1/6/21, he logged 12 points in a home win v. VCU. But George Mason is less than an hours drive from DC.
Makes you think...
Kolek was the guy with the horns and furs.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2024, 09:24:51 AM
On 1/6/21, he logged 12 points in a home win v. VCU. But George Mason is less than an hours drive from DC.
Makes you think...
It all comes together when you factor in that George Mason's mascot is the Patriot. He awfully determined to leave GM and get far away when they started prosecuting Jan 6 rioters.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2024, 08:48:43 AM
And actually he did get a 3.0 so I think Nova fans have old info.
Yes. 3.9
https://www.facebook.com/share/VzdutPRpswQe6CTf/?mibextid=WC7FNe
This rumor started with the Providence fans trash talking him on Twitter. You know, the Basketball Hitler fans.
I literally can think of nothing dumber an opposing fan base could do than taunt TKO to get his energy flowing. You're a fan; that's the only way you could contribute to your team losing the game.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 31, 2024, 09:52:58 AM
Yes. 3.8
https://www.facebook.com/share/VzdutPRpswQe6CTf/?mibextid=WC7FNe
This rumor started with the Providence fans trash talking him on Twitter. You know, the Basketball Hitler fans.
Didn't see Tre in the list ... unless I messed it.... Hmm
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2024, 09:42:53 AM
It all comes together when you factor in that George Mason's mascot is the Patriot. He awfully determined to leave GM and get far away when they started prosecuting Jan 6 rioters.
I hope Tyler doesn't get indicted before March
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2024, 10:13:26 AM
I hope Tyler doesn't get indicted before March
Being indicted may increase his approval rating
Quote from: BrewCity83 on January 31, 2024, 08:46:27 AM
Here's where the "illiterate" thing came from:
https://twitter.com/S_CharlesNFL/status/1737209345157337380?lang=en
A burner Providence college account started this? LOL.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2024, 08:46:51 AM
The not reading thing was because he wasn't on the graphic of players who earned a 3.0 or more.
The Jan 6 thing is probably just because he looks the part I guess.
Sultan,
What does looks the part mean? I sincerely don't know.
Kolek had a 3.9 GPA this past semester: https://twitter.com/KolekTyler/status/1737208002115940514
When Kolek shushed the crowd after that three last night, I knew we would win. No one feeds off negative crowd energy more than that guy. He's like a Dementor, sucking fan souls to fuel his power.
Tyler Kolek: Dropping deuces on Nancy Pelosi's desk AND your team's defense
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 31, 2024, 09:08:47 AM
"Kolek wants to be a dentist"
careful brah. Your dentist might know who you are behind the moniker 😀 🦷!!
Quote from: DienerTime34 on January 31, 2024, 11:12:51 AM
Tyler Kolek: Dropping deuces on Nancy Pelosi's desk AND your team's defense
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 31, 2024, 10:24:08 AM
Sultan,
What does looks the part mean? I sincerely don't know.
It means there were a lot of white, clean cut men at the January 6th protest/riot at the Capitol building.
Obviously the Jan 6th chant is 100% related to that event.
Quote from: MUbiz on January 31, 2024, 10:42:01 AM
Kolek had a 3.9 GPA this past semester: https://twitter.com/KolekTyler/status/1737208002115940514
And Marquette fans are fighting back at PC fans.
https://twitter.com/BE_GoldenEagle/status/1752728612074148220?t=QFqGrVCtn0rHh0N_725Nsw&s=19
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 31, 2024, 11:25:01 AM
It means there were a lot of white, clean cut men at the January 6th protest/riot at the Capitol building.
Obviously the Jan 6th chant is 100% related to that event.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 31, 2024, 11:25:01 AM
It means there were a lot of white, clean cut men at the January 6th protest/riot at the Capitol building.
Obviously the Jan 6th chant is 100% related to that event.
Yeah and I'm just guessing. I have no idea otherwise.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 31, 2024, 11:25:01 AM
It means there were a lot of white, clean cut men at the January 6th protest/riot at the Capitol building.
Obviously the Jan 6th chant is 100% related to that event.
It was funny for a minute talking about Nick Bosa, but it quickly became one of the most tired tropes in social media. Its literally every white dude in CFB/NFL or CBB/NBA that has shine for a moment and then the same lame joke gets recycled. Whats even sillier is then people go batty and think there is something behind it and go looking for tweets or quotes that make the player look culpable. It coming from lame ass PU fans is not remotely surprising.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 31, 2024, 11:01:50 AM
When Kolek shushed the crowd after that three last night, I knew we would win. No one feeds off negative crowd energy more than that guy. He's like a Dementor, sucking fan souls to fuel his power.
I know they are college kids and MU students have chanted a bunch of dumb stuff, but jeering and then chanting airball (after a desperation heave mind you) at the reigning POY who already has 25 is stupid enough, but anyone who has watched a MU game in the last 2 years knows he thrives off of that. Its like chanting air ball at Steph Curry and calling him soft.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2024, 11:28:35 AM
And Marquette fans are fighting back at PC fans.
https://twitter.com/BE_GoldenEagle/status/1752728612074148220?t=QFqGrVCtn0rHh0N_725Nsw&s=19
LOL. PC does have a very large twitter presence and love to troll. Definitely second biggest on twitter right behind UConn, but they are definitely the biggest trolls by far.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 31, 2024, 11:25:01 AM
It means there were a lot of white, clean cut men at the January 6th protest/riot at the Capitol building.
Obviously the Jan 6th chant is 100% related to that event.
That's it? He's white? Not very clever. They could have taunted themselves.
Its nice to have a player that the Big East fan base despises. Wasn't there a thread about the most despised players we played against?
Quote from: MUbiz on January 31, 2024, 12:09:34 PM
LOL. PC does have a very large twitter presence and love to troll. Definitely second biggest on twitter right behind UConn, but they are definitely the biggest trolls by far.
I still prefer UConn Twitter to Providence Twitter.
UConn fans are cocky (rightfully so) but they still support the Big East knowing a good Big East benefits them as well.
Providence fans seem to want every Big East team to suck with no regard for anything.
Also, UConn account @noescalators is a great follow. Loves to get in Marquette and Kolek jabs in but even he had to give Tyler props last night.
I see a ton of Travis Diener in Tyler
Quote from: MU1in77 on January 31, 2024, 01:33:36 PM
I see a ton of Travis Diener in Tyler
I agree and have posted the same in the past. The point was driven home when I saw the two of them talking after the Creighton game last month.
Edited to add: there's a pretty good chance that Kolek (609) will pass Diener (617) on the all-time assist list this weekend. That will put him in third behind James (632) and Miller (956!).
Quote from: MU1in77 on January 31, 2024, 01:33:36 PM
I see a ton of Travis Diener in Tyler
To the board: Rank MU's point guards? I have always been a Dom James guy because of his defense.
Start a thread
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 31, 2024, 01:46:45 PM
I agree and have posted the same in the past. The point was driven home when I saw the two of them talking after the Creighton game last month.
Edited to add: there's a pretty good chance that Kolek (609) will pass Diener (617) on the all-time assist list this weekend. That will put him in third behind James (632) and Miller (956!).
Shame Tyler (likely) won't do 4 years at MU. This is probably the only time anyone could've touched Millers assist record. That and Mac's block record are the two most untouchable and I don't know which is less likely to be matched.
Scoring record isn't getting touched anytime soon. Between blocks and assists, I would guess blocks is more likely to be challenged eventually.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2024, 02:31:08 PM
Scoring record isn't getting touched anytime soon. Between blocks and assists, I would guess blocks is more likely to be challenged eventually.
Well given it was only broken a couple years ago and again not long before that it didn't seem like it should be included. But I agree it's highly unlikely that gets touched unless we get a carbon copy of Markus who doesn't get concussed or makes a tournament run.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2024, 02:31:08 PM
Scoring record isn't getting touched anytime soon. Between blocks and assists, I would guess blocks is more likely to be challenged eventually.
Not if Shaka keeps recruiting guys like OMax.
Dr. B
Dom James was a great PG and I loved how he played defense. He was an outstanding player. To be honest, that is the type of PG I think that will run the show post TK.
I'll just rank who I think is the best, post Al, and that is TK by a wide margin. I know there are a lot of Tony Miller fans on here, but he is at least #4 on my post Al list. Will add, I am strictly grading off on court performance and TK is the best, imo. He has orchestrated what I believe to be the most beautiful offense ever run at MU. I do not think I will ever see an offense this perfectly tun (when clicking) again in my lifetime.
All this stuff does is add to the legend. Absolutely love this kid.
Tony Miller was a thowback version of a point guard that was getting out of style even when he played. He was fun to watch but Tyler, Travis and DJ were clearly better.
Who all is in the post Al running aside from Kolek?
Doc
Miller
Travis
Dom James
Markus(?)
I don't know the non doc 80s nor who was between miller and Travis.
Thinking you can eliminate Acker, Cadougan (though the march success is huge), Rowsey, Morsell, Carton, Chartouny, and Derrick.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2024, 02:57:04 PM
I don't know the non doc 80s nor who was between miller and Travis.
Tony Smith was a hell of a guard. Played through some rough years.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 31, 2024, 03:00:09 PM
Tony Smith was a hell of a guard. Played through some rough years.
Didn't realize he was a PG. thanks
Sam Worthen was post-Al.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2024, 02:57:04 PM
I don't know the non doc 80s nor who was between miller and Travis.
So mid-80s...was Mandy Johnson a point guard?
Then you have Pops Sims, who would have been alright with better offense around him. - eigth
Tony Smith - probably should have him fourth
Then Miller - fifth
Then Aaron Hutchins - sixth
Then Cordell Henry - Seventh
Then Diener
Sultan
Yes, Mandy was a PG and loved his D as well. We have had this discussion before on scoop, but I think know it is safe to safe TK is the best post Al and climbing all time status.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2024, 02:57:04 PM
Who all is in the post Al running aside from Kolek?
Doc
Miller
Travis
Dom James
Markus(?)
I don't know the non doc 80s nor who was between miller and Travis.
Thinking you can eliminate Acker, Cadougan (though the march success is huge), Rowsey, Morsell, Carton, Chartouny, and Derrick.
Of note...
Dean
Marcus Washington
Lloyd Walton
Butch and Jimmy Boylan were really combos
Sam Worthen
Mandy
Doc/Michael Wilson were combos
Pop Sims
Tony Smith (one year)
Tony Miller
Hutch
Henry
Dr. B
Based off your list and my memory, as pure PG TK is nearing the all time best in my book. How about you?
I have always loved PG play and some very good names on that list. I would have to think very hard to find someone that made every guy on the court better than the job TK has done. There are a decent number of better guards than TK, but a short list at PG.
Quote from: Goose on January 31, 2024, 03:20:54 PM
Dr. B
Based off your list and my memory, as pure PG TK is nearing the all time best in my book. How about you?
I have always loved PG play and some very good names on that list. I would have to think very hard to find someone that made every guy on the court better than the job TK has done. There are a decent number of better guards than TK, but a short list at PG.
MU is historically Point Guard University. I think Tyler's story still needs to be written but I will comment below. Combo guards won't make my final list.
Statistically best offensively is Travis with Tyler a close second. Rowsey third. Not much defense among them.
Most underrated is Lucky Lloyd with Hutch a close 2nd.
Best scorer: Markus
Best Floor General: Sam
Best defensively: Dom and Dean
Most dominant season: Tony Smith
Best dimer: Tony Miller
Best Passer: Sam
Best in PnR: Tyler
Clutch: Diener, Hutch, Tyler
As of now, I'd go Diener, Dom and Tyler. Tyler's back half of conference last season was the best I have ever seen but I have to consider his Year 1 and parts of this season as choppy and forced. All made others better and all could take over games.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 31, 2024, 01:19:19 PM
I still prefer UConn Twitter to Providence Twitter.
UConn fans are cocky (rightfully so) but they still support the Big East knowing a good Big East benefits them as well.
Providence fans seem to want every Big East team to suck with no regard for anything.
Also, UConn account @noescalators is a great follow. Loves to get in Marquette and Kolek jabs in but even he had to give Tyler props last night.
Living in Connecticut all my life except for four years in Wisconsin, Providence fans are the worst.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2024, 02:33:57 PM
Well given it was only broken a couple years ago and again not long before that it didn't seem like it should be included. But I agree it's highly unlikely that gets touched unless we get a carbon copy of Markus who doesn't get concussed or makes a tournament run.
I think even a carbon copy of Markus wouldn't get Markus' usage in our current system. His prodigious scoring was enabled by both his high-usage tendency and his coach's tendency to feed his best player as much as possible. At this level, the majority of people capable of scoring the way Markus did are going to be off to the NBA before their four years are done.
Also, the highest PPG average in Shaka's career for an individual player was Justin Lewis at 16.8. If we ever see someone put up 25+ in multiple seasons, it probably won't be until after Shaka's time here is done.
Mandy Johnson was a great PG. OG floor slapper.
Dr. B
We are definitely in agreement greatest players by categories. While admittedly have a big bias against Tony Miller, I still would take TK over him as best dimer. Obviously, I am not looking strictly at stats in that category. I am very big fan of Sam and cannot argue your rankings, but I think TK could be in there for best general and possibly passer. Would not say he is better, but definitely think it is fair argument having them both noted. I possibly could include TK with Tony Smith for most dominant season. Tony Smith was outstanding, but what TK did last season, especially the last 10-12 games of the regular season was pretty dominant.
The one big area we differ on is the ability to make everyone on the floor better. I agree that all made other guys better, but I think TK is the best in that category.
All that said, TK is my best since Al and top 2-3 at the moment. There is work still to be done and I think he can only go up in my book. We have been blessed with unreal PG my entire life and there are a lot of great names on the list.
We R FF
Mandy was a very good PG, but struggled by not having a great a handle. I could argue he was as good D James as a defender because he was that good on defense. Will add that I have a big pro bias for Mandy due to our friendship during his time at MU.
Quote from: Goose on January 31, 2024, 05:02:57 PM
While admittedly have a big bias against Tony Miller,
Is there a reason for this thats scoop appropriate or just not a fan of his game?
Quote from: Goose on January 31, 2024, 05:05:48 PM
We R FF
Mandy was a very good PG, but struggled by not having a great a handle. I could argue he was as good D James as a defender because he was that good on defense. Will add that I have a big pro bias for Mandy due to our friendship during his time at MU.
Yes...better on defensive end....quick as hell.
Galway
Liked Tony the person a lot, not a fan of the style of basketball he played. That said, his game against UK gave MU the ticket to the S16. In fairness, his style was exactly what KO wanted and it he did his job well. There would be a lot of fans of his because he might have 300+ assists on mid-range jumpers being made.
Like my negative bias on Markus is probably 90% on Wojo, the same holds true on KO with Tony Miller. Not name dropping, but I gave KO a hard time about his style of offense hours before the MU-Purdue game this year. I love what KO did for MU but was not a major fan of the style of play.
Thanks for elaborating, was just curious.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 31, 2024, 03:50:14 PM
MU is historically Point Guard University. I think Tyler's story still needs to be written but I will comment below. Combo guards won't make my final list.
Statistically best offensively is Travis with Tyler a close second. Rowsey third. Not much defense among them.
Most underrated is Lucky Lloyd with Hutch a close 2nd.
Best scorer: Markus
Best Floor General: Sam
Best defensively: Dom and Dean
Most dominant season: Tony Smith
Best dimer: Tony Miller
Best Passer: Sam
Best in PnR: Tyler
Clutch: Diener, Hutch, Tyler
As of now, I'd go Diener, Dom and Tyler. Tyler's back half of conference last season was the best I have ever seen but I have to consider his Year 1 and parts of this season as choppy and forced. All made others better and all could take over games.
I'm sure that this list is fantastic but I don't think anyone can have a PG discussion without at least giving a mention to the fact that Cadougan went NCAA as a backup back from injury, then S16 as a well used backup/occasional starter, then S16, E8 as the general. Nothing flashy beyond the UConn shot but man something to be said for having the most decorated tenure since AL.
Quote from: Goose on January 31, 2024, 05:23:39 PM
Galway
Liked Tony the person a lot, not a fan of the style of basketball he played. That said, his game against UK gave MU the ticket to the S16. In fairness, his style was exactly what KO wanted and it he did his job well. There would be a lot of fans of his because he might have 300+ assists on mid-range jumpers being made.
Like my negative bias on Markus is probably 90% on Wojo, the same holds true on KO with Tony Miller. Not name dropping, but I gave KO a hard time about his style of offense hours before the MU-Purdue game this year. I love what KO did for MU but was not a major fan of the style of play.
Totally agree on KO's offense. That said, Tony Miller averaged almost 8 assists a game for four years. If he could have been able to shoot, that means he had a strong possibility of a double double every game. And in that offense.
Tyler is by far the better player, and is certainly an all timer. But he isn't the All Dimer. Close but you need to consider the entire body of work.
Quote from: Goose on January 31, 2024, 05:23:39 PM
Galway
Liked Tony the person a lot, not a fan of the style of basketball he played. That said, his game against UK gave MU the ticket to the S16. In fairness, his style was exactly what KO wanted and it he did his job well. There would be a lot of fans of his because he might have 300+ assists on mid-range jumpers being made.
Like my negative bias on Markus is probably 90% on Wojo, the same holds true on KO with Tony Miller. Not name dropping, but I gave KO a hard time about his style of offense hours before the MU-Purdue game this year. I love what KO did for MU but was not a major fan of the style of play.
Most here don't like UW's style of play, but damn they keep winning.
Dr. B
I agree that body of work really does matter. That said, Dwade had a short stint at MU, and I believe he is the greatest player by an extremely wide margin. Will add, which I thankfully forgot, Tony Miller could not shoot and I love PG that can shoot. That is why Lloyd is high on my list. He played in a stale office and still was not afraid to drain an 18-20ft jumper from the top of the key. Lloyd was an outstanding PG in a very boring offense.
Muwarrior69
While I am in all in guy, I do realize all in seldom or never happens. I'll take an explosive offense for 30+ games and enjoy the hell out of it. I loved the Al era 100% because of the defense, star power and winning but only got all in one time. I'll take the UW model if all in happens, but not just to be another team that does not win it all. I'll take entertainment for 30+ games over boring basketball if the end result is the same.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 31, 2024, 05:51:45 PM
Most here don't like UW's style of play, but damn they keep winning.
Depends on ur def of winning
Bummer Storr went there
Good conversation about MU PGs, Dr. B, Goose and others.
I was at MU when Worthen was there and I borderline worshiped his playing ability ... and yet I think Kolek is the best passer I've seen in a Marquette uniform since I entered MU in 1978.
I like Dr. B's line about the story still being written. Diener almost singlehandedly won an NCAA tournament game and it was he, not D-Wade, that pretty much carried that team into the Sweet 16. I have absolutely no doubt that Kolek is a better all-around PG than Tony Miller, but Miller carried a team into the Sweet 16.
It's a damn shame that Kolek got hurt last year, but he'll have another chance this year. NCAA tournament success might be a crapshoot, but it's hard for a college player to establish a true legacy without experiencing some NCAAT success.
Can't wait to see Tyler do that this March - and hopefully April!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 31, 2024, 05:51:45 PM
Most here don't like UW's style of play, but damn they keep winning.
Winning what? They haven't made it to the second weekend since 2017, winning a grand total of 2 NCAAT games in that span (1 more than Marquette, and 2 more than Chicago State).
They even managed to lose 4x to Wojo, which is no mean feat.
Bo had that nice run with the Kaminsky group, and as an MU fan and Madison hater, that sucked big-time. Since then, though, Madison has been just another decent to good program that has had some successful regular seasons, some bad seasons (including last season) in which they didn't even make the tourney, and little NCAAT success.
If the retort is that they've done better than Marquette in that span ... that's not a ringing endorsement for either program, really.
I'm biased, but I'll take what Shaka's got cookin' over what Gard does. Time will tell.
Success in March is a good metric to judge point guards, and Tony Miller drove through Kentucky to get the Warriors to the Sweet 16. Do I think Kolek, Diener, or James is better? Yes, all of the above.
However, I would rank Miller higher than James or Kolek based on that performance against Kentucky.
Kolek has the opportunity to make a statement in March.
Quote from: warriorfred on January 31, 2024, 06:47:08 PM
Success in March is a good metric to judge point guards, and Tony Miller drove through Kentucky to get the Warriors to the Sweet 16. Do I think Kolek, Diener, or James is better? Yes, all of the above.
However, I would rank Miller higher than James or Kolek based on that performance against Kentucky.
Kolek has the opportunity to make a statement in March.
Yep, for years we heard over and over again that individual accolades mean nothing without tournament success. Kolek still has an "incomplete" right now, and as impressive as yesterday was, I would have traded it for a healthy hand last March.
I don't remember being "wowed" by Tony Miller's passes like I am wowed by TK's
Quote from: Judge Smails on January 31, 2024, 09:06:08 PM
I don't remember being "wowed" by Tony Miller's passes like I am wowed by TK's
Tony Miller wasn't as good as Kolek. I don't even think it's particularly close. But, in addition to being a darn good PG, Miller beat Kentucky to put Marquette into the Sweet 16 that year.
Tony Miller was a pure point guard in that he wasn't asked to score, just handle the ball, beat the press, rack up assists. Tony's game combined with Tyler's scoring ability would be a lottery pick.
That takedown of Kentucky was such a high point at that time but was KO's last win for MU as well. Bittersweet.
Quote from: MU82 on January 31, 2024, 06:15:04 PM
Winning what? They haven't made it to the second weekend since 2017, winning a grand total of 2 NCAAT games in that span (1 more than Marquette, and 2 more than Chicago State).
They even managed to lose 4x to Wojo, which is no mean feat.
Bo had that nice run with the Kaminsky group, and as an MU fan and Madison hater, that sucked big-time. Since then, though, Madison has been just another decent to good program that has had some successful regular seasons, some bad seasons (including last season) in which they didn't even make the tourney, and little NCAAT success.
If the retort is that they've done better than Marquette in that span ... that's not a ringing endorsement for either program, really.
I'm biased, but I'll take what Shaka's got cookin' over what Gard does. Time will tell.
Sorry I struck a nerve. I was just commenting on Goose's comment on style. He obviously prefers Shaka'a style of play. I think most MU fans could care less what style of play we play as long as we win. So far when we play UW, Gard's style is winning out over Shaka's style. I hope that changes.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2024, 06:28:17 AM
Sorry I struck a nerve. I was just commenting on Goose's comment on style. He obviously prefers Shaka'a style of play. I think most MU fans could care less what style of play we play as long as we win. So far when we play UW, Gard's style is winning out over Shaka's style. I hope that changes.
Just the notions that Madison is some kind of special basketball program or that they "always find a way" ... 1, it's not true; 2, it's Madison envy, and for no reason. It gets tiring.
As for "style," in the 2022 game vs MU, Gard's style was to let Hepburn pull up from 30 feet and throw in shots. Unfortunately for Madison, that kind of brilliant strategy can't work over the course of a season, and they didn't even make the tourney.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2024, 08:47:12 AM
Maybe he's a Cardinals fan
Brother Rico:
Doubtful. If he was, he'd have a 4.0 GPA and be leading the team in academic performance too!
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 01, 2024, 08:09:07 AM
Brother Rico:
Doubtful. If he was, he'd have a 4.0 GPA and be leading the team in academic performance too!
He's probably own an El Camino and meth lab as well
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2024, 08:44:28 AM
He's probably own an El Camino and meth lab as well
I like him more and more.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2024, 07:34:48 AM
Just the notions that Madison is some kind of special basketball program or that they "always find a way" ... 1, it's not true; 2, it's Madison envy, and for no reason. It gets tiring.
As for "style," in the 2022 game vs MU, Gard's style was to let Hepburn pull up from 30 feet and throw in shots. Unfortunately for Madison, that kind of brilliant strategy can't work over the course of a season, and they didn't even make the tourney.
Boom!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2024, 08:44:28 AM
He's probably own an El Camino and meth lab as well
How do you know he doesn't?
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 01, 2024, 01:24:55 PM
How do you know he doesn't?
Dog is a Cardinals fan, he knows
Barring a nightmare game
TK will hit 1,000 pts in a MU uniform Saturday.
Him and Kam already hit 1,000 career pts this year. Oso will be soon.
Pretty cool to have them all doing it together. With hopefully some big March wins to follow
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 31, 2024, 12:31:38 PM
Its nice to have a player that the Big East fan base despises. Wasn't there a thread about the most despised players we played against?
About 15 years ago, the most despised would have been Eric Devendorf of Syracuse.
I still despise Devendorf.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on February 02, 2024, 03:03:32 PM
I still despise Devendorf.
Devendorf and Pittsnogle would be my top two.
Nigele Knight...
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on February 01, 2024, 11:06:45 PM
About 15 years ago, the most despised would have been Eric Devendorf of Syracuse.
Deffindork is an all time hated douche. Or any No Dick player.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2024, 04:40:20 PM
Deffindork is an all time hated douche. Or any No Dick player.
Are they dung?
Sorry kids - nobody comes close to Kelly Tripuka
Quote from: MU1in77 on February 02, 2024, 05:43:12 PM
Sorry kids - nobody comes close to Kelly Tripuka
I mean, yeah ... he's got puke right in his name!
Quote from: DienerTime34 on February 02, 2024, 03:43:49 PM
Devendorf and Pittsnogle would be my top two.
You hated Pittsnogle??
IMO, TK is top ten villain of all time. He has the look and attitude that I would hate as an opposing fan, and he can flat out play. There have been plenty of guys that are easy not to like, but few that had TK's ability. I think to be an all timer, you better have game and TK has game.
Question, aside from TK who do you think has been a widely disliked guy by opposing fans from MU? I am sure Deiner bothered the hell out of people, but I am struggling to put together my list.
Markus. Of course, he was hated by some of the MU fanbase, too. So, double points.
Lackey, Lucas, Pat Smith, Wardle, Rowsey, and Tyler, coached by Al.
tower
I agree with Markus and I get it to some extent. Maybe because MU fans, even anti Markus fans, knew he was a good guy it takes away some of the villain to me. I would likely not liked him if I were another BE team fan but would not have hated him. I would hate TK.
Dr. B
There was no one hated more than Al. I think Shaka is moving up the list with certain fanbases around the country and I like it. Also, I was thinking more about the last 20-25 years and no doubt Rowsey is high on that list.
Quote from: Goose on February 03, 2024, 08:45:42 AM
Dr. B
There was no one hated more than Al. I think Shaka is moving up the list with certain fanbases around the country and I like it. Also, I was thinking more about the last 20-25 years and no doubt Rowsey is high on that list.
The Louisville Pleathernecks hated Wardle and then Crean. I would add Vander and Jae in your time frame. With a HM to DJO.
The Badger fans hated the Ellensons more than the Hausers but I think Wes was the most well-hated at the time. Maymon would have been an all timer for them.
I don't remember the road hate for Markus, just an awe. Same with JFB and McSteal.
Madison hated Vander.
I could see McIllvaine being disliked by others fans. MU fans took a while to warm up to him.
Badgers fans certainly hated Henry, but he certainly got the last laugh there.
Quote from: Goose on February 03, 2024, 08:45:42 AM
Dr. B
There was no one hated more than Al. I think Shaka is moving up the list with certain fanbases around the country and I like it. Also, I was thinking more about the last 20-25 years and no doubt Rowsey is high on that list.
The only player I can remember Al despising was Pistol Pete during the 1970 NIT. I mean he was apoplectic with all the headlines Pete was getting in the NY press and how unstoppable he was. Of course Al got his revenge by holding him to IIRC 20 points and Marquette scoring over 100 points; I believe for the first time under Al.
Plenty of good MU players in recent years have been hated by Scoopers - Junior, Lockett, Reinhardt, Stevie, O-Max, Jop.
Hell, even our all-time scoring leader.
Quote from: MU82 on February 03, 2024, 03:18:33 PM
Plenty of good MU players in recent years have been hated by Scoopers - Junior, Lockett, Reinhardt, Stevie, O-Max, Jop.
Hell, even our all-time scoring leader.
Stevie = dung seems fine
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 04, 2024, 03:46:45 PM
Stevie = dung seems fine
Willie's not a real fan. He keeps his Warriors pennant in his basement
There's another Scooper who came right out and said that he "hates" Stevie.
82
Who hates Stevie? That is twisted.
Stevie is an all-round great guy. From on the court to the classroom to interviews he is all in. Very very happy he is wearing the blue and gold for Marquette .
Quote from: MU82 on February 03, 2024, 03:18:33 PM
Plenty of good MU players in recent years have been hated by Scoopers - Junior, Lockett, Reinhardt, Stevie, O-Max, Jop.
Hell, even our all-time scoring leader.
George Thompson is our all time leading scorer and I've never heard a scooper say a bad word about him.
And so it begins.
Quote from: Goose on February 03, 2024, 08:25:24 AM
IMO, TK is top ten villain of all time. He has the look and attitude that I would hate as an opposing fan, and he can flat out play. There have been plenty of guys that are easy not to like, but few that had TK's ability. I think to be an all timer, you better have game and TK has game.
Question, aside from TK who do you think has been a widely disliked guy by opposing fans from MU? I am sure Deiner bothered the hell out of people, but I am struggling to put together my list.
Rowsey
Quote from: The Lens on February 04, 2024, 07:59:17 PM
George Thompson is our all time leading scorer
This isn't true
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 04, 2024, 08:01:38 PM
This isn't true
It is if you believe in math / years / karma / history / basketball gods
Quote from: Goose on February 03, 2024, 08:25:24 AM
IMO, TK is top ten villain of all time. He has the look and attitude that I would hate as an opposing fan, and he can flat out play. There have been plenty of guys that are easy not to like, but few that had TK's ability. I think to be an all timer, you better have game and TK has game.
Question, aside from TK who do you think has been a widely disliked guy by opposing fans from MU? I am sure Deiner bothered the hell out of people, but I am struggling to put together my list.
Goose:
Do you think Tyler is in the same Villain league as J.P. Macura?
Macura was talented and universally hated
https://nypost.com/2018/03/07/meet-the-xavier-star-who-loves-being-the-bad-guy/
Quote from: MU82 on February 04, 2024, 04:28:05 PM
There's another Scooper who came right out and said that he "hates" Stevie.
Who said that?
Quote from: Herman Cain on February 04, 2024, 09:16:32 PM
Goose:
Do you think Tyler is in the same Villain league as J.P. Macura?
Macura was talented and universally hated
https://nypost.com/2018/03/07/meet-the-xavier-star-who-loves-being-the-bad-guy/
I remember Macura being pretty dirty. Kolek is also a much better player.
Quote from: The Lens on February 04, 2024, 08:08:27 PM
It is if you believe in math / years / karma / history / basketball gods
George Thompson scored 1,773 points in his Marquette career. Markus scored 2,761 points in his Marquette career.
George Thompson scored 1,773 in his sophomore, junior, and senior years. Markus scored 2,351 points in his sophomore, junior, and senior years.
George Thompson scored 1,773 in his first three years of eligibility. Markus scored 1,955 in his first years of eligibility.
No matter how you slice it. Markus Howard is our all time leading scorer. You disliking him doesn't change that.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 04, 2024, 10:26:00 PM
George Thompson scored 1,773 points in his Marquette career. Markus scored 2,761 points in his Marquette career.
George Thompson scored 1,773 in his sophomore, junior, and senior years. Markus scored 2,351 points in his sophomore, junior, and senior years.
George Thompson scored 1,773 in his first three years of eligibility. Markus scored 1,955 in his first years of eligibility.
No matter how you slice it. Markus Howard is our all time leading scorer. You disliking him doesn't change that.
And Markus did it all at 17 years old.
And Jerel and Lazar are ahead of George
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 04, 2024, 10:26:00 PM
George Thompson scored 1,773 points in his Marquette career. Markus scored 2,761 points in his Marquette career.
George Thompson scored 1,773 in his sophomore, junior, and senior years. Markus scored 2,351 points in his sophomore, junior, and senior years.
George Thompson scored 1,773 in his first three years of eligibility. Markus scored 1,955 in his first years of eligibility.
No matter how you slice it. Markus Howard is our all time leading scorer. You disliking him doesn't change that.
Just to add to this, since the next argument will be the 3pt line didn't exist,
Markus made 434 3s,
82 Freshman year. 121 Senior year.
Deduct those points and it still puts Markus ahead of Thompson.
Quote from: Judge Smails on February 04, 2024, 10:48:14 PM
And Jerel and Lazar are ahead of George
Jerel gave an interview saying George did what he did in 3 years and without a 3pt line so he didn't consider himself the all time scoring leader. Can't speak for lazars view of himself being runner up but the logic holds up for why George's record was more impressive.
There's one point guard who maybe was not the best, but like Stevie Mitchell, was the glue and that was Jim Boylan. Not the best athlete but was surrounded with great players. All he did was have a great game against NC to help when the championship.
That's win the championship
Herman
I think Macura probably was more widely disliked. Didn't he have on and off court issues?
Quote from: Goose on February 05, 2024, 01:38:32 AM
Herman
I think Macura probably was more widely disliked. Didn't he have on and off court issues?
Off the court issues? Those people in that bar wanted to see his pasty tuckus!
Quote from: MU82 on February 04, 2024, 10:25:14 PM
Wow. Well, Shaka loves him and that's all that matters.
Most of the most hated players were dirty players: Brad Davison, Eric Devendorf, Bill Laimbeer, Ric Mahorn, etc. Marquette hasn't had many, or even any dirty players that I can recall since the Dukiet years. If Kolek started with the cheap shots or dirty plays a la Grayson Allen or these other guys, he would quickly become Enemy #1 across the entire land.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 04, 2024, 10:31:37 PM
And Markus did it all at 17 years old.
He's still 17, right?
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 05, 2024, 03:43:55 PM
Most of the most hated players were dirty players: Brad Davison, Eric Devendorf, Bill Laimbeer, Ric Mahorn, etc. Marquette hasn't had many, or even any dirty players that I can recall since the Dukiet years. If Kolek started with the cheap shots or dirty plays a la Grayson Allen or these other guys, he would quickly become Enemy #1 across the entire land.
Ah yes. Grayson Allen another hated one blast from the past. He of the loose leg kicking the defender in the nuts when shooting.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 06, 2024, 08:56:28 AM
Ah yes. Grayson Allen another hated one blast from the past. He of the loose leg kicking the defender in the nuts when shooting.
Grayson Allen is an absolute hero and his name should not be besmirched on this board.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 06, 2024, 09:33:15 AM
Grayson Allen is an absolute hero and his name should not be besmirched on this board.
Agreed.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 06, 2024, 09:33:15 AM
Grayson Allen is an absolute hero and his name should not be besmirched on this board.
+100
Grayson Allen will go down as a legend and forever deserves to get a pass on this site and from all Marquette fans no matter what he does elsewhere in life.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 06, 2024, 09:57:12 AM
+100
Grayson Allen will go down as a legend and forever deserves to get a pass on this site and from all Marquette fans no matter what he does elsewhere in life.
Remind me why this is so? I'm at a loss.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 06, 2024, 09:59:47 AM
Remind me why this is so? I'm at a loss.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/400788981
So it's not OK to hate both Madison and Grayson Allen?
You know what? I can live with that! We love ya, Grayson!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 06, 2024, 10:01:00 AM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/400788981
Thanks Sultan. That does raise him at least one level in my eyes as well. But its still a very low level.
You can still find fans of other big east teams complaining about Theo John to this day. He's the only one other than Kolek that really comes to mind, based on what I hear.
Quote from: Goose on February 03, 2024, 08:25:24 AM
Question, aside from TK who do you think has been a widely disliked guy by opposing fans from MU?
Davante
Quote from: Goose on February 03, 2024, 08:25:24 AM
IMO, TK is top ten villain of all time. He has the look and attitude that I would hate as an opposing fan, and he can flat out play. There have been plenty of guys that are easy not to like, but few that had TK's ability. I think to be an all timer, you better have game and TK has game.
Question, aside from TK who do you think has been a widely disliked guy by opposing fans from MU? I am sure Deiner bothered the hell out of people, but I am struggling to put together my list.
I remember people disliking Rowsey. And Hauser. I think it comes down to any guy who looks like your average suburban high school team mate who should be playing rec league while pledging a frat is hated for breaking that mold. That and any super aggressive players (ie Theo).
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 06, 2024, 01:37:38 PM
Davante
To this day my friend who graduated from Syracuse asks me every time I see him, "Hows b*tch tits doing?"
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 06, 2024, 08:47:28 PM
To this day my friend who graduated from Syracuse asks me every time I see him, "Hows b*tch tits doing?"
Ha! Davante had some good games against them.
Quote from: Goose on February 03, 2024, 08:25:24 AM
IMO, TK is top ten villain of all time. He has the look and attitude that I would hate as an opposing fan, and he can flat out play. There have been plenty of guys that are easy not to like, but few that had TK's ability. I think to be an all timer, you better have game and TK has game.
Question, aside from TK who do you think has been a widely disliked guy by opposing fans from MU? I am sure Deiner bothered the hell out of people, but I am struggling to put together my list.
Here are some
Maurice Lucas the enforcer
Allie McGuire-Als son
Rowsey
Gary Brell
Generally speaking, opposing fans get on trash-talkers, athletes who like celebrating too much, dirty players, (overly) physical players, floppers, whiners, and/or players who do too well against their team.
Kolek is a trash-talker - not only to opposing players but also to opposing crowds. He whines to the refs a lot. He's also really good.
But is Kolek hated any more by today's MU opponents than Myles Powell was hated by MU fans a few years ago?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 06, 2024, 01:41:36 PM
I remember people disliking Rowsey. And Hauser.
Rowsey looked like a punk, celebrated his logo 3s, and most annoyingly perfected the Thing. So yeah, there were some that hated him.
Hauser? I seriously don't remember anyone hating him - and certainly not to the level of others being discussed in this thread. I mean, which fan base chanted derisive things at Sam Hauser?
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2024, 08:13:57 AM
Hauser? I seriously don't remember anyone hating him - and certainly not to the level of others being discussed in this thread. I mean, which fan base chanted derisive things at Sam Hauser?
Chanted? I'm not aware of any fan base that
chanted derisive things about Sam. But
wrote derisive things? That would be
our fan base.
I really liked Sam and was disappointed to see him go. I've never understood the MU fans who trashed him on the way out the door.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 07, 2024, 09:20:36 AM
Chanted? I'm not aware of any fan base that chanted derisive things about Sam. But wrote derisive things? That would be our fan base.
I really liked Sam and was disappointed to see him go. I've never understood the MU fans who trashed him on the way out the door.
+1
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 07, 2024, 09:20:36 AM
Chanted? I'm not aware of any fan base that chanted derisive things about Sam. But wrote derisive things? That would be our fan base.
I really liked Sam and was disappointed to see him go. I've never understood the MU fans who trashed him on the way out the door.
🤔
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 07, 2024, 09:20:36 AM
Chanted? I'm not aware of any fan base that chanted derisive things about Sam. But wrote derisive things? That would be our fan base.
I really liked Sam and was disappointed to see him go. I've never understood the MU fans who trashed him on the way out the door.
You don't understand how fans trashed a guy who bailed on a possible Final Four team because baby brother was unhappy?
Quote from: Pakuni on February 07, 2024, 09:49:37 AM
You don't understand how fans trashed a guy who bailed on a possible Final Four team because baby brother was unhappy?
Sam left after the season was over, and it ended with Wojo's brilliant game plan of pretty much having 5 guys collapse on Ja Morant.
Even before that awful game, Sam was often wide open in a number of games but the ball stayed with Markus per Wojo's instructions. At least that's the way I saw it. His "baby brother" was a problem, and his decision to leave was probably much easier than Sam's.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 07, 2024, 10:00:49 AM
Sam left after the season was over, and it ended with Wojo's brilliant game plan of pretty much having 5 guys collapse on Ja Morant.
Even before that awful game, Sam was often wide open in a number of games but the ball stayed with Markus per Wojo's instructions. At least that's the way I saw it. His "baby brother" was a problem, and his decision to leave was probably much easier than Sam's.
That doesn't counter Pak's point though. He may have had legit reasons why he left. That doesn't mean that Marquette fans can't be upset by it.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 07, 2024, 10:06:03 AM
That doesn't counter Pak's point though. He may have had legit reasons why he left. That doesn't mean that Marquette fans can't be upset by it.
Fair. I just think some context, or my version of it if you like, helps explain why some of us-me included-take a very different view of Sam's leaving. I put the blame on Wojo and focused my anger on him first and Joey second.
Oh, I thought we were talking about players that opposing fans hated - such is now the case with Kolek - and I don't think Sam Hauser is even in that conversation.
As for those Marquette players that Marquette's own fans "hated on" - while they were still trying their hardest in a Marquette uniform - Hauser isn't on the list at all. Lockett, Reinhardt, Derrick, Junior, Vander, Theo, OMax, Jop ... heck, even our all-time scoring leader who only represented the university with class. And again, one Scooper recently said he "hates" Stevie, which is something.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 07, 2024, 09:49:37 AM
You don't understand how fans trashed a guy who bailed on a possible Final Four team because baby brother was unhappy?
No, I don't.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 07, 2024, 10:06:03 AM
That doesn't counter Pak's point though. He may have had legit reasons why he left. That doesn't mean that Marquette fans can't be upset by it.
Hell,
I was upset by it. Being upset by something and trashing a kid who I had really enjoyed for three years are different things. Going from predictions of a top 5 team to another wasted season under Wojo was one of the most upsetting things I can recall as a Marquette fan.
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2024, 10:43:35 AM
Oh, I thought we were talking about players that opposing fans hated - such is now the case with Kolek - and I don't think Sam Hauser is even in that conversation.
As for those Marquette players that Marquette's own fans "hated on" - while they were still trying their hardest in a Marquette uniform - Hauser isn't on the list at all. Lockett, Reinhardt, Derrick, Junior, Vander, Theo, OMax, Jop ... heck, even our all-time scoring leader who only represented the university with class. And again, one Scooper recently said he "hates" Stevie, which is something.
Many of those guys were dung in the opinion of many "fans"
I remember seeing people on opposing boards (I enjoy reading pre and postgame threads) hating more on Sam than Markus. But I definitely agree he's not even in the stratosphere of other hated players. It just fit the theory that college fans have a tendency to have extra ire toward guys that look like they should be pledging a frat and playing rec ball rather than be high major D1 players.
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2024, 10:43:35 AM
Oh, I thought we were talking about players that opposing fans hated - such is now the case with Kolek - and I don't think Sam Hauser is even in that conversation.
C'mon Mike. I think you derailed a thread or two, haven't you? ;D
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 07, 2024, 11:13:24 AM
C'mon Mike. I think you derailed a thread or two, haven't you? ;D
Derailed is in de eye of de beholder!
Quote from: StillAWarrior on February 07, 2024, 10:45:31 AM
No, I don't.
Hell, I was upset by it. Being upset by something and trashing a kid who I had really enjoyed for three years are different things. Going from predictions of a top 5 team to another wasted season under Wojo was one of the most upsetting things I can recall as a Marquette fan.
The next important player to transfer and
not get trashed by fans of his former team will be the first.
Just the way it is.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 07, 2024, 12:18:57 PM
The next important player to transfer and not get trashed by fans of his former team will be the first.
Just the way it is.
This. Even when they grad transfer like Duane, Cain or Elliot at least a few people will trash them... and I'm guessing those people trashing them didn't stay at their undergrad alma mater for grad school.
I never have understood bashing a guy for leaving. I have had times when I was disappointed but never mad at the kid. Sam and Burton both were disappointing to me and I actual blame Wojo, not the kids.
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2024, 10:43:35 AM
Oh, I thought we were talking about players that opposing fans hated - such is now the case with Kolek - and I don't think Sam Hauser is even in that conversation.
As for those Marquette players that Marquette's own fans "hated on" - while they were still trying their hardest in a Marquette uniform - Hauser isn't on the list at all. Lockett, Reinhardt, Derrick, Junior, Vander, Theo, OMax, Jop ... heck, even our all-time scoring leader who only represented the university with class. And again, one Scooper recently said he "hates" Stevie, which is something.
Lockett? I think this is the second time his name has been brought up. He checks literally none of the boxes that get fans riled up. Who disliked Lockett?
Quote from: Goose on February 07, 2024, 12:31:00 PM
I never have understood bashing a guy for leaving. I have had times when I was disappointed but never mad at the kid. Sam and Burton both were disappointing to me and I actual blame Wojo, not the kids.
Sam's leaving was all on Wojo.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 05, 2024, 03:43:55 PM
Most of the most hated players were dirty players: Brad Davison, Eric Devendorf, Bill Laimbeer, Ric Mahorn, etc. Marquette hasn't had many, or even any dirty players that I can recall since the Dukiet years. If Kolek started with the cheap shots or dirty plays a la Grayson Allen or these other guys, he would quickly become Enemy #1 across the entire land.
One of MUs most hated players must be Wardle. He is on on top of Ricos list with the dreaded green weiner next to his name.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 07, 2024, 01:32:45 PM
Lockett? I think this is the second time his name has been brought up. He checks literally none of the boxes that get fans riled up. Who disliked Lockett?
Scoopers.
But most eventually came around and appreciated him for what he contributed. Same with Vander, Reinhardt, Junior and some others. Including Stevie.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 07, 2024, 01:32:45 PM
Lockett? I think this is the second time his name has been brought up. He checks literally none of the boxes that get fans riled up. Who disliked Lockett?
There was a lot of talk on scoop about lockett getting a wasted scholarship. Scoop is famous for only valuing one side of the ball
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 07, 2024, 01:49:11 PM
There was a lot of talk on scoop about lockett getting a wasted scholarship. Scoop is famous for only valuing one side of the ball
And jumping to early conclusions.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 07, 2024, 12:18:57 PM
The next important player to transfer and not get trashed by fans of his former team will be the first.
Just the way it is.
Right, a player will surely get trashed if they leave for perceived greener pastures. Nembhard and Tyrese Hunter fall into this category I think. Much less trashing for transfers that leave where the parting of ways is more mutual, which has been the case for most of MU's transfers in the last 20 years at least. The Hauser's were a bit of a unique case in this regard and many put that on the head coach (which may or may not be correct).
Personally, I wouldn't waste the effort trashing a player for leaving. If they don't want to be a part of the program, it's best long term for MU that they leave ASAP.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 07, 2024, 01:49:11 PM
There was a lot of talk on scoop about lockett getting a wasted scholarship. Scoop is famous for only valuing one side of the ball
Sorry, I thought this was about players opposing fans hated.
But yeah, pretty much every transfer in has been disliked by a segment of Scoopers initially. And yes, the myopia about the defensive end persists. See Propser Omax; see also Mitchell, Stevie.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 07, 2024, 02:05:11 PM
Sorry, I thought this was about players opposing fans hated.
But yeah, pretty much every transfer in has been disliked by a segment of Scoopers initially. And yes, the myopia about the defensive end persists. See Propser Omax; see also Mitchell, Stevie.
Sophomore year Jimmy Butler too. Many Juan thumbs down too. I also remember the comments during the Charleston tournament on freshman Stevie.
Scoop knows ballz
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 07, 2024, 02:05:11 PM
Sorry, I thought this was about players opposing fans hated.
It is, but the parapgraph you quoted literally starts "As for those Marquette players that Marquette's own fans "hated on".
That's why Lockett is being mentioned
Quote from: willie warrior on February 07, 2024, 01:40:25 PM
One of MUs most hated players must be Wardle. He is on on top of Ricos list with the dreaded green weiner next to his name.
Wardle was and is dung
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 07, 2024, 02:29:23 PM
It is, but the parapgraph you quoted literally starts "As for those Marquette players that Marquette's own fans "hated on".
That's why Lockett is being mentioned
You wanted me to read, like, every single word??
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 07, 2024, 02:05:11 PM
Sorry, I thought this was about players opposing fans hated.
But yeah, pretty much every transfer in has been disliked by a segment of Scoopers initially. And yes, the myopia about the defensive end persists. See Propser Omax; see also Mitchell, Stevie.
Then I guess Arizona State fans would have hated Lockett?
If I could find any I'd ask them.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 07, 2024, 02:15:33 PM
Sophomore year Jimmy Butler too. Many Juan thumbs down too. I also remember the comments during the Charleston tournament on freshman Stevie.
Scoop knows ballz
I'm sorry, what? Sophomore year Jimmy Butler? Was hated on? By only the dumbest scoopers imaginable, I'd guess.
He had a 131.2 offensive rating, mostly because he was a monster on the offensive glass with putbacks. The ol' reliable 3 amigos and lazar would do their thing and Jimmy would clean up the glass. His instant quality made the DJ injury hurt so much worse.
God we were so good at drawing free throws back then.
Now i'm just going down my rabbit holes of the three amigos era, they were so good and fun.
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on February 08, 2024, 06:16:09 PM
I'm sorry, what? Sophomore year Jimmy Butler? Was hated on? By only the dumbest scoopers imaginable, I'd guess.
He had a 131.2 offensive rating, mostly because he was a monster on the offensive glass with putbacks. The ol' reliable 3 amigos and lazar would do their thing and Jimmy would clean up the glass. His instant quality made the DJ injury hurt so much worse.
God we were so good at drawing free throws back then.
Now i'm just going down my rabbit holes of the three amigos era, they were so good and fun.
New to Scoop? Early on Scoopers were calling Jimmy a wasted scholarship before he assumed the JFB moniker.
Nope, I was scoopin' it up in my student days. I recall no ill will towards Jimmy, from me or otherwise. Fulce a time or 2 but not Jimmy. I was in awe of his (then still free) kenpom page. He was 4th in ORtg nationally! As our garbage man of the bench!
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on February 09, 2024, 06:24:23 PM
Nope, I was scoopin' it up in my student days. I recall no ill will towards Jimmy, from me or otherwise. Fulce a time or 2 but not Jimmy. I was in awe of his (then still free) kenpom page. He was 4th in ORtg nationally! As our garbage man of the bench!
I believe there was a thread dedicated to Jimmy being a waste of a scholarship. I don't think KenPom stats were as prevalent at that time on Scoop.