Kolek Taunts

[willie warrior]

IMO, TK is top ten villain of all time. He has the look and attitude that I would hate as an opposing fan, and he can flat out play. There have been plenty of guys that are easy not to like, but few that had TK's ability. I think to be an all timer, you better have game and TK has game.

Question, aside from TK who do you think has been a widely disliked guy by opposing fans from MU? I am sure Deiner bothered the hell out of people, but I am struggling to put together my list.

Here are some
Maurice Lucas the enforcer
Allie McGuire-Als son
Rowsey
Gary Brell

[MU82]

Generally speaking, opposing fans get on trash-talkers, athletes who like celebrating too much, dirty players, (overly) physical players, floppers, whiners, and/or players who do too well against their team.

Kolek is a trash-talker - not only to opposing players but also to opposing crowds. He whines to the refs a lot. He's also really good.

But is Kolek hated any more by today's MU opponents than Myles Powell was hated by MU fans a few years ago?

I remember people disliking Rowsey. And Hauser.

Rowsey looked like a punk, celebrated his logo 3s, and most annoyingly perfected the Thing. So yeah, there were some that hated him.

Hauser? I seriously don't remember anyone hating him - and certainly not to the level of others being discussed in this thread. I mean, which fan base chanted derisive things at Sam Hauser?

[StillAWarrior]

Hauser? I seriously don't remember anyone hating him - and certainly not to the level of others being discussed in this thread. I mean, which fan base chanted derisive things at Sam Hauser?

Chanted? I'm not aware of any fan base that chanted derisive things about Sam. But wrote derisive things? That would be our fan base.

I really liked Sam and was disappointed to see him go. I've never understood the MU fans who trashed him on the way out the door.

[Scoop Snoop]

Chanted? I'm not aware of any fan base that chanted derisive things about Sam. But wrote derisive things? That would be our fan base.

I really liked Sam and was disappointed to see him go. I've never understood the MU fans who trashed him on the way out the door.

+1

[Dr. Blackheart]

Chanted? I'm not aware of any fan base that chanted derisive things about Sam. But wrote derisive things? That would be our fan base.

I really liked Sam and was disappointed to see him go. I've never understood the MU fans who trashed him on the way out the door.

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[Pakuni]

Chanted? I'm not aware of any fan base that chanted derisive things about Sam. But wrote derisive things? That would be our fan base.

I really liked Sam and was disappointed to see him go. I've never understood the MU fans who trashed him on the way out the door.

You don't understand how fans trashed a guy who bailed on a possible Final Four team because baby brother was unhappy?

[Scoop Snoop]

You don't understand how fans trashed a guy who bailed on a possible Final Four team because baby brother was unhappy?

Sam left after the season was over, and it ended with Wojo's brilliant game plan of pretty much having 5 guys collapse on Ja Morant.

Even before that awful game, Sam was often wide open in a number of games but the ball stayed with Markus per Wojo's instructions. At least that's the way I saw it. His "baby brother" was a problem, and his decision to leave was probably much easier than Sam's.

[The Sultan]

Sam left after the season was over, and it ended with Wojo's brilliant game plan of pretty much having 5 guys collapse on Ja Morant.

Even before that awful game, Sam was often wide open in a number of games but the ball stayed with Markus per Wojo's instructions. At least that's the way I saw it. His "baby brother" was a problem, and his decision to leave was probably much easier than Sam's.

That doesn't counter Pak's point though. He may have had legit reasons why he left. That doesn't mean that Marquette fans can't be upset by it.

[Scoop Snoop]

That doesn't counter Pak's point though. He may have had legit reasons why he left. That doesn't mean that Marquette fans can't be upset by it.

Fair. I just think some context, or my version of it if you like, helps explain why some of us-me included-take a very different view of Sam's leaving. I put the blame on Wojo and focused my anger on him first and Joey second.

[MU82]

Oh, I thought we were talking about players that opposing fans hated - such is now the case with Kolek - and I don't think Sam Hauser is even in that conversation.

As for those Marquette players that Marquette's own fans "hated on" - while they were still trying their hardest in a Marquette uniform - Hauser isn't on the list at all. Lockett, Reinhardt, Derrick, Junior, Vander, Theo, OMax, Jop ... heck, even our all-time scoring leader who only represented the university with class. And again, one Scooper recently said he "hates" Stevie, which is something.

[StillAWarrior]

You don't understand how fans trashed a guy who bailed on a possible Final Four team because baby brother was unhappy?

No, I don't.

That doesn't counter Pak's point though. He may have had legit reasons why he left. That doesn't mean that Marquette fans can't be upset by it.

Hell, I was upset by it. Being upset by something and trashing a kid who I had really enjoyed for three years are different things. Going from predictions of a top 5 team to another wasted season under Wojo was one of the most upsetting things I can recall as a Marquette fan.

[Uncle Rico]

Oh, I thought we were talking about players that opposing fans hated - such is now the case with Kolek - and I don't think Sam Hauser is even in that conversation.

As for those Marquette players that Marquette's own fans "hated on" - while they were still trying their hardest in a Marquette uniform - Hauser isn't on the list at all. Lockett, Reinhardt, Derrick, Junior, Vander, Theo, OMax, Jop ... heck, even our all-time scoring leader who only represented the university with class. And again, one Scooper recently said he "hates" Stevie, which is something.

Many of those guys were dung in the opinion of many "fans"

[Galway Eagle]

I remember seeing people on opposing boards (I enjoy reading pre and postgame threads) hating more on Sam than Markus. But I definitely agree he's not even in the stratosphere of other hated players. It just fit the theory that college fans have a tendency to have extra ire toward guys that look like they should be pledging a frat and playing rec ball rather than be  high major D1 players.

[Scoop Snoop]

Oh, I thought we were talking about players that opposing fans hated - such is now the case with Kolek - and I don't think Sam Hauser is even in that conversation.

C'mon Mike. I think you derailed a thread or two, haven't you? 

[MU82]

C'mon Mike. I think you derailed a thread or two, haven't you? 

Derailed is in de eye of de beholder!

[Pakuni]

No, I don't.

Hell, I was upset by it. Being upset by something and trashing a kid who I had really enjoyed for three years are different things. Going from predictions of a top 5 team to another wasted season under Wojo was one of the most upsetting things I can recall as a Marquette fan.

The next important player to transfer and not get trashed by fans of his former team will be the first.
Just the way it is.

[Galway Eagle]

The next important player to transfer and not get trashed by fans of his former team will be the first.
Just the way it is.

This. Even when they grad transfer like Duane, Cain or Elliot at least a few people will trash them... and I'm guessing those people trashing them didn't stay at their undergrad alma mater for grad school.

[Goose]

I never have understood bashing a guy for leaving. I have had times when I was disappointed but never mad at the kid. Sam and Burton both were disappointing to me and I actual blame Wojo, not the kids.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Oh, I thought we were talking about players that opposing fans hated - such is now the case with Kolek - and I don't think Sam Hauser is even in that conversation.

As for those Marquette players that Marquette's own fans "hated on" - while they were still trying their hardest in a Marquette uniform - Hauser isn't on the list at all. Lockett, Reinhardt, Derrick, Junior, Vander, Theo, OMax, Jop ... heck, even our all-time scoring leader who only represented the university with class. And again, one Scooper recently said he "hates" Stevie, which is something.

Lockett? I think this is the second time his name has been brought up. He checks literally none of the boxes that get fans riled up. Who disliked Lockett?

[willie warrior]

I never have understood bashing a guy for leaving. I have had times when I was disappointed but never mad at the kid. Sam and Burton both were disappointing to me and I actual blame Wojo, not the kids.

Sam's leaving was all on Wojo.

[willie warrior]

Most of the most hated players were dirty players:  Brad Davison, Eric Devendorf, Bill Laimbeer, Ric Mahorn, etc.  Marquette hasn't had many, or even any dirty players that I can recall since the Dukiet years.  If Kolek started with the cheap shots or dirty plays a la Grayson Allen or these other guys, he would quickly become Enemy #1 across the entire land.

One of MUs most hated players must be Wardle. He is on on top of Ricos list with the dreaded green weiner next to his name.

[MU82]

Lockett? I think this is the second time his name has been brought up. He checks literally none of the boxes that get fans riled up. Who disliked Lockett?

Scoopers.

But most eventually came around and appreciated him for what he contributed. Same with Vander, Reinhardt, Junior and some others. Including Stevie.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Lockett? I think this is the second time his name has been brought up. He checks literally none of the boxes that get fans riled up. Who disliked Lockett?

There was a lot of talk on scoop about lockett getting a wasted scholarship. Scoop is famous for only valuing one side of the ball

[The Sultan]

There was a lot of talk on scoop about lockett getting a wasted scholarship. Scoop is famous for only valuing one side of the ball

And jumping to early conclusions.

[CountryRoads]

The next important player to transfer and not get trashed by fans of his former team will be the first.
Just the way it is.

Right, a player will surely get trashed if they leave for perceived greener pastures. Nembhard and Tyrese Hunter fall into this category I think. Much less trashing for transfers that leave where the parting of ways is more mutual, which has been the case for most of MU's transfers in the last 20 years at least. The Hauser's were a bit of a unique case in this regard and many put that on the head coach (which may or may not be correct).

Personally, I wouldn't waste the effort trashing a player for leaving. If they don't want to be a part of the program, it's best long term for MU that they leave ASAP.