1. MU could win shooting bad from 3.
2. Can't have shooters passing up open 3s in order to watch Kam go one on one. MU was doing that at the end of the first half. Shaka must have said something similar at halftime. Glad the team listened.
3. Gold is finally getting over his shin splints. That sequence with the scramble under the basket culminating with Joplin running away from the man with the ball and Gold picking up the foul was great hustle and bad luck for Ben. He is moving better.
4. Is there anybody left who doesn't appreciate Stevie? Shame on you. You don't know ball.
5. No made free throws or 3s in the first half. Stat guys are going to love that.
6. I am glad the team is more resilient than the posters in the game chat.
7. I am glad that elonsmusk was closer to right than BChoopster was about Zaide.
8. Eventually, scoop is going to realize that this year's team plays really good defense. Clean up the defensive rebounding a little more. Because it will cost you games.
9. Free throws matta when you miss them down the stretch on the road.
10. In a vacuum, MU won a nail biter on the road. All that matters.
This is why you need a reliable bench. They fought hard and ran out of gas.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 01:10:14 PM
1. MU could win shooting bad from 3.
2. Can't have shooters passing up open 3s in order to watch Kam go one on one. MU was doing that at the end of the first half. Shaka must have said something similar at halftime. Glad the team listened.
3. Gold is finally getting over his shin splints. That sequence with the scramble under the basket culminating with Joplin running away from the man with the ball and Gold picking up the foul was great hustle and bad luck for Ben. He is moving better.
4. Is there anybody left who doesn't appreciate Stevie? Shame on you. You don't know ball.
5. No made free throws or 3s in the first half. Stat guys are going to love that.
6. I am glad the team is more resilient than the posters in the game chat.
7. I am glad that elonsmusk was closer to right than BChoopster was about Zaide.
8. Eventually, scoop is going to realize that this year's team plays really good defense. Clean up the defensive rebounding a little more. Because it will cost you games.
9. Free throws matta when you miss them down the stretch on the road.
10. In a vacuum, MU won a nail biter on the road. All that matters.
"You don't know ball" if you think this team has any chance at a national championship.
"You don't know ball" if you think this team can win any more than a single NCAA tourney game.
I know we're missing Jones and Ross, but we need to play the bench some more. We looked gassed at the end of this one.
We did everything we could to give it away, take the win and run!
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:12:38 PM
"You don't know ball" if you think this team has any chance at a national championship.
"You don't know ball" if you think this team can win any more than a single NCAA tourney game.
I mean your basketball IQ is low. You've proven it repeatedly.
But they may not win a championship.
Great win. Knew it would be close at the end even up 13 in second half. I'm going to get a milkshake now.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:12:38 PM
"You don't know ball" if you think this team has any chance at a national championship.
"You don't know ball" if you think this team can win any more than a single NCAA tourney game.
Meh. Get Chase healthy, start hitting 3's and this is still the team that whupped Kansas and took Purdue to the wire.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 20, 2024, 01:13:49 PM
Great win. Knew it would be close at the end even up 13 in second half. I'm going to get a milkshake now.
Beating an unranked team by a single point is a "great" win?
Every conference road win should be appreciated and savored.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:15:20 PM
Beating an unranked team by a single point is a "great" win?
any conference road win, sans DePaul and Georgetown, is a great win
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:12:38 PM
"You don't know ball" if you think this team has any chance at a national championship.
"You don't know ball" if you think this team can win any more than a single NCAA tourney game.
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Quote from: CTWarrior on January 20, 2024, 01:12:50 PM
I know we're missing Jones and Ross, but we need to play the bench some more. We looked gassed at the end of this one.
We did everything we could to give it away, take the win and run!
Zaide deserved more minutes - he played really well.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:15:20 PM
Beating an unranked team by a single point is a "great" win?
It's better than losing to Penn State on the road.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:15:20 PM
Beating an unranked team by a single point is a "great" win?
I mean, I realize St. John's isn't Penn State but still...
We won on the road , in The Garden, on Broadcast TV, against a Rick Pitino coaches team. Job well done by coaching staff and team.
I think the guys can build off this hard fought win.
ZL is the X-factor. If they can build his confidence and expand his role, I'm very hopeful about this team.
Zaide getting this PT is going to be really beneficial.
Need Chase back asap, though.
Never seen a 93% free throw shooter miss two free throws and then a front end, along with another good shooter miss a front end, all within a minute and a half. Very Lucky
Don't care about Gold's. shin splints, not a very good excuse. Big deal he made one hustle play on one possession in a game. He is probably the slowest bigman in the big east and is now 0 for last 12 in threes and none in last five games.
If all starters were gassed at the end, why didn't Shaka play Norman in second half? He played like a minute in first, picked up two fouls and sat after that. Is he that bad? If so maybe he is not the future point guard. Why did he sit, maybe Shaka has no faith in the guy? Least give some starter a rest for a minute. Lowery should have played more and Gold did not play a lot in second half. Shaka went with the starters.
Didn't understand working the clock down in last four minutes, then MU had to put up circus shots. Oh well, didn't matter but strange philosophy.
Nice comeback and win, run back to Milwaukee.
Biggest mystery to me is why we went away from TK Oso pick and roll down the stretch. They had no answer for it
Hi. I'm an EMS worker and I'm in the back of the ambulance with Snoop. He asked me to post for him to say how happy he is that Marquette pulled this one out. Gotta go. We're at Emergency Room entrance.
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 20, 2024, 01:30:03 PM
Biggest mystery to me is why we went away from TK Oso pick and roll down the stretch. They had no answer for it
Maybe they found n answer for it. Didn't seem to be there.
Their press really changed the game. Didn't turn us over, but shortened our shot clock an we didn't push the issue at the end like we did for most of the second half.
Quote from: nyg on January 20, 2024, 01:29:27 PM
Never seen a 93% free throw shooter miss two free throws and then a front end, along with another good shooter miss a front end, all within a minute and a half. Very Lucky
Don't care about Gold's. shin splints, not a very good excuse. Big deal he made one hustle play on one possession in a game. He is probably the slowest bigman in the big east and is now 0 for last 12 in threes and none in last five games.
If all starters were gassed at the end, why didn't Shaka play Norman in second half? He played like a minute in first, picked up two fouls and sat after that. Is he that bad? If so maybe he is not the future point guard. Why did he sit, maybe Shaka has no faith in the guy? Least give some starter a rest for a minute. Lowery should have played more and Gold did not play a lot in second half. Shaka went with the starters.
Didn't understand working the clock down in last four minutes, then MU had to put up circus shots. Oh well, didn't matter but strange philosophy.
Nice comeback and win, run back to Milwaukee.
Wow ... you'd have really blown a gasket had we lost. Winning this one probably saved you an expensive ER trip.
We were favored by 1 and won by 1 on the road against a team that has caused many others trouble.
I wish it would have been a little easier at the end, but it wasn't ... and our guys still came through.
Enjoy the victory. Enjoy every victory.
We Are Marquette!
Great comeback by Warriors. It was a scary one. The you dont know ball comment by Tower was dumb. Stevie is appreciated but he let Jenkins torch him all game. Smart move by Shaka putting Gold on Jenkins on last shot. His length probably made him miss.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 20, 2024, 01:17:30 PM
Zaide deserved more minutes - he played really well.
Give Bens minutes to him.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 20, 2024, 01:33:40 PM
Maybe they found n answer for it. Didn't seem to be there.
Their press really changed the game. Didn't turn us over, but shortened our shot clock an we didn't push the issue at the end like we did for most of the second half.
No we just stopped running the action entirely
Quote from: willie warrior on January 20, 2024, 01:34:57 PM
Great comeback by Warriors. It was a scary one. The you dont know ball comment by Tower was dumb. Stevie is appreciated but he let Jenkins torch him all game. Smart move by Shaka putting Gold on Jenkins on last shot. His length probably made him miss.
You don't know ball
I would have rather seen Ben out there than Joplin for a lot of the game. Zaide had some nice run. To have him take Ben's minutes means you want to play 4 or 5 guard sets on the road in the Big East. That logic simply doesn't track.
Ben was moving his feet well today on defense. Teams are doing to him what the Big 10 did to Joey. Drawing the switch o to a guard and then driving at him. Ben is handling it better than Joey did for two years.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:15:20 PM
Beating an unranked team by a single point is a "great" win?
They are ranked 26
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 01:34:10 PM
Wow ... you'd have really blown a gasket had we lost. Winning this one probably saved you an expensive ER trip.
We were favored by 1 and won by 1 on the road against a team that has caused many others trouble.
I wish it would have been a little easier at the end, but it wasn't ... and our guys still came through.
Enjoy the victory. Enjoy every victory.
We Are Marquette!
Yeah, I don't blow gaskets, ER visit, really? I stated nice win.
Brought up four items: free throw misses, Gold, milking clock and why Norman didn't play. Just facts that actually happened, one of which I asked why a player sat on the bench. That's not an over emotional, blowing gasket post.
Quote from: nyg on January 20, 2024, 01:41:57 PM
Yeah, I don't blow gaskets, ER visit, really? I stated nice win.
Brought up four items: free throw misses, Gold, milking clock and why Norman didn't play. Just facts that actually happened, one of which I asked why a player sat on the bench. That's not an over emotional, blowing gasket post.
As for Norman, my guess is Shaka just didn't think he was ready to play today. 2 quick fouls in the 1st half and Zaide played well.
Need Chase back for 20-25 minutes a game to give guys more rest.
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 20, 2024, 01:30:03 PM
Biggest mystery to me is why we went away from TK Oso pick and roll down the stretch. They had no answer for it
They had an answer. They sagged a defender into the lane.
Quote from: nyg on January 20, 2024, 01:41:57 PM
Yeah, I don't blow gaskets, ER visit, really? I stated nice win.
Brought up four items: free throw misses, Gold, milking clock and why Norman didn't play. Just facts that actually happened, one of which I asked why a player sat on the bench. That's not an over emotional, blowing gasket post.
Well, maybe I overreacted to your reaction.
While wishing we won easily, I'm mostly feeling relieved and pretty happy about pulling out a tough road win. But I'm a hopeless optimist.
Have a good one. We Are Marquette!
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 01:14:54 PM
Meh. Get Chase healthy, start hitting 3's and this is still the team that whupped Kansas and took Purdue to the wire.
start hitting 3's? That's not happening. This team is a bad shooting team. Is what it is.
Dodds argued with me that Stevie was at his best only playing 25 minutes a game. He may have been right. Zaide played 16. Tre, 2. TKo 39 and Stevie 36. Yeah, fatigue may have been a factor down the stretch. Hurry back, Chase.
Quote from: Viper on January 20, 2024, 01:51:02 PM
start hitting 3's? That's not happening. This team is a bad shooting team. Is what it is.
Plenty of season left for a regression to mean. More halves like the second, less halves like the first.
Switched from beer to whisk(e)y at half - made all the difference.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 20, 2024, 01:17:30 PM
Zaide deserved more minutes - he played really well.
yes. Shaka's sub patterns are odd. It's as if he has no feel for the flow of the game. Zaide on a roll...take him out? What?? The team has regressed some both in season and from last season, but so has Shaka in some ways. Substitution patterns being what really jumps out at me of late.
Quote from: Viper on January 20, 2024, 01:51:02 PM
start hitting 3's? That's not happening. This team is a bad shooting team. Is what it is.
We won this game because our good 3-point shooters went 6-for-9 on 3s in the second half.
So yes, we started hitting 3s. It happened. This team has some good shooters. Even good shooters slump sometimes. That's what is.
I'll take this win seven days a week. There are a lot of negative folks on scoop and time will tell if they know ball or not. Lot is basketball yet to be played before March but I think this is a win that will age well.
Quote from: Viper on January 20, 2024, 01:53:51 PM
yes. Shaka's sub patterns are odd. It's as if he has no feel for the flow of the game. Zaide on a roll...take him out? What?? The team has regressed some both in season and from last season, but so has Shaka in some ways. Substitution patterns being what really jumps out at me of late.
Also gonna need more minutes from Tre - he's a freshman - he's gonna do bone-headed stuff - but we're going to need him.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 01:10:14 PM
1. MU could win shooting bad from 3.
2. Can't have shooters passing up open 3s in order to watch Kam go one on one. MU was doing that at the end of the first half. Shaka must have said something similar at halftime. Glad the team listened.
3. Gold is finally getting over his shin splints. That sequence with the scramble under the basket culminating with Joplin running away from the man with the ball and Gold picking up the foul was great hustle and bad luck for Ben. He is moving better.
4. Is there anybody left who doesn't appreciate Stevie? Shame on you. You don't know ball.
5. No made free throws or 3s in the first half. Stat guys are going to love that.
6. I am glad the team is more resilient than the posters in the game chat.
7. I am glad that elonsmusk was closer to right than BChoopster was about Zaide.
8. Eventually, scoop is going to realize that this year's team plays really good defense. Clean up the defensive rebounding a little more. Because it will cost you games.
9. Free throws matta when you miss them down the stretch on the road.
10. In a vacuum, MU won a nail biter on the road. All that matters.
toss a prop at Gold if you must, but he's not good. Slow. Poor shooter. Poor defender. Zaide should take his minutes. It's not even up for discussion at this point, imo.
Quote from: Jables1604 on January 20, 2024, 01:19:08 PM
I mean, I realize St. John's isn't Penn State but still...
awesome!!!
Quote from: 1SE on January 20, 2024, 01:55:16 PM
Also gonna need more minutes from Tre - he's a freshman - he's gonna do bone-headed stuff - but we're going to need him.
The opportunity is there for him but he's taking himself out of the game by fouling. He will get there.
Quote from: Goose on January 20, 2024, 01:54:59 PM
I'll take this win seven days a week. There are a lot of negative folks on scoop and time will tell if they know ball or not. Lot is basketball yet to be played before March but I think this is a win that will age well.
Right? This fanbase...
I'd like to see what Ben can become as an upper-classmen but he has been disappointing, especially recently.
I wouldn't necessarily lock him in as the starting center next season, though.
Quote from: Goose on January 20, 2024, 01:54:59 PM
I'll take this win seven days a week. There are a lot of negative folks on scoop and time will tell if they know ball or not. Lot is basketball yet to be played before March but I think this is a win that will age well.
There are plenty of areas of needed improvement, obviously, but it's wild how people just refuse to let themselves enjoy a tough road victory.
Quote from: Goose on January 20, 2024, 01:54:59 PM
I'll take this win seven days a week. There are a lot of negative folks on scoop and time will tell if they know ball or not. Lot is basketball yet to be played before March but I think this is a win that will age well.
You also thought UCLA was going to age well and didn't want to face them again in March.
I, too, do not want to face them in March. Because if we do it means we had to pay for whatever tournament we would be playing them in.
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 01:54:19 PM
We won this game because our good 3-point shooters went 6-for-9 on 3s in the second half.
So yes, we started hitting 3s. It happened. This team has some good shooters. Even good shooters slump sometimes. That's what is.
good shooters? Slump? lay off the bong, agreed?
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 01:59:24 PM
There are plenty of areas of needed improvement, obviously, but it's wild how people just refuse to let themselves enjoy a tough road victory.
Yep - this conference is a lot tougher 1-9 than people thought. Any road win outside GT and DP is a great win - however it comes. Still doesn't mean we can't criticize the losses - but I'll take the wins however we can get them.
Whatever Shaka said at half was a masterclass. We came out sharp and everything we ran worked flawless(plus actually making shots)
I do still have no idea why he stopped the pick n roll once we built the lead. Foot on gas.
I find it hard to believe TK and Oso went rogue and stopped it themselves
I'm happy we won but concerned about the lack of execution down the stretch.
Three straight one point wins over SJU. I wonder what the record for something like that is.
Having a seven point lead and then failing to score again is not a good recipe for success but we'll take it.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2024, 02:01:31 PM
Whatever Shaka said at half was a masterclass. We came out sharp and everything we ran worked flawless(plus actually making shots)
I said to my text-chain group that I hoped Shaka would set up a 3 for Kam or Jop on the first play of the second half, send a message to them that he believes in them. A few seconds later, Joplin was draining a 3. Obviously it looks 100 times better because the shot went in, but that's just good coaching.
Quote from: Goose on January 20, 2024, 01:54:59 PM
I'll take this win seven days a week. There are a lot of negative folks on scoop and time will tell if they know ball or not. Lot is basketball yet to be played before March but I think this is a win that will age well.
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Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2024, 02:01:31 PM
Whatever Shaka said at half was a masterclass. We came out sharp and everything we ran worked flawless(plus actually making shots)
I do still have no idea why he stopped the pick n roll once we built the lead. Foot on gas.
I find it hard to believe TK and Oso went rogue and stopped it themselves
Not the first time this season. They've been great in the first four minutes of the 2H more often than not. The opposite of Wojo.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:15:20 PM
Beating an unranked team by a single point is a "great" win?
Any road conference win is a good win. Who cares how many points you win by? Your life must suck.
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 02:03:51 PM
I said to my text-chain group that I hoped Shaka would set up a 3 for Kam or Jop on the first play of the second half, send a message to them that he believes in them. A few seconds later, Joplin was draining a 3. Obviously it looks 100 times better because the shot went in, but that's just good coaching.
Meat Eaters?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 20, 2024, 02:05:13 PM
Meat Eaters?
Well, we did go to Carson's before the ND game.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 20, 2024, 02:04:54 PM
Any road conference win is a good win. Who cares how many points you win by? Your life must suck.
Especially since we were 1.5 pts dogs. Road wins ATS are gold.
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 01:51:17 PM
Dodds argued with me that Stevie was at his best only playing 25 minutes a game. He may have been right. Zaide played 16. Tre, 2. TKo 39 and Stevie 36. Yeah, fatigue may have been a factor down the stretch. Hurry back, Chase.
Just saw that in boxscore.
Lowery played 16 minutes, had five points, an assist and steal and was almost team leader in rebounds with five (off by one). More time for him please to see what he can do. Norman another story, but starters need a few more minute breaks, like coincide them with TV timeouts like Shaka does with Oso at 12 minute TV timeout.
Sultan
There definitely are a lot of differing opinions on how the game is played. Have to say that sometimes I am completely at loss reading some of the posts. I do find it interesting, and a positive, that the usual negative posters take the time to watch the game and post.
bias
Not sure I ever said the UCLA win would age well, but do remember saying I would not want to see them in March. I'll take your word that I said that win would age well. Obviously that was really fxxkin incorrect.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on January 20, 2024, 02:02:44 PM
Three straight one point wins over SJU. I wonder what the record for something like that is.
Actually, we beat St. John's 96-94 to close out the 2022-23 regular season and then beat them 72-70 in the BET opener. So really 3 straight one-possession wins over SJU, but I get your point.
Last season, a best-in-the-BE Marquette team twice went to the wire to beat a St. John's team that isn't as good as this one. The first time at home.
It isn't always easy. It isn't always gonna be pretty. I try really hard to savor every victory, even the ones that are a little maddening.
Zaide didn't get more minutes cause Jop hit some shots. But its great to see him emerge.
The ball-knowing crap is pretty annoying. Do you need to be a knower of ball to recognize that we played like crap in the first half? Do you need to be a knower of ball to recognize that we started the 2nd half great? Do you need to be a knower of ball that we failed to execute down the stretch?
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on January 20, 2024, 02:02:44 PM
Three straight one point wins over SJU. I wonder what the record for something like that is.
Having a seven point lead and then failing to score again is not a good recipe for success but we'll take it.
They will be hungry and it'll be tough on NMD.
Not a soft/easy gimme for a stadium packed with MU faithful.
The team will need us that game
Quote from: Judge Smails on January 20, 2024, 02:11:37 PM
The ball-knowing crap is pretty annoying. Do you need to be a knower of ball to recognize that we played like crap in the first half? Do you need to be a knower of ball to recognize that we started the 2nd half great? Do you need to be a knower of ball that we failed to execute down the stretch?
It's a 40-minute game with ups and downs.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 20, 2024, 02:12:18 PM
They will be hungry and it'll be tough on NMD.
Not a soft/easy gimme for a stadium packed with MU faithful.
The team will need us that game
Yessir! Very much looking forward to it. My buddies and I are doing the NMD/@Butler double-dip. Neither game will be easy. I expect victory in both!
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 02:14:37 PM
Yessir! Very much looking forward to it. My buddies and I are doing the NMD/@Butler double-dip. Neither game will be easy. I expect victory in both!
Wow nice. The Hinkle experience is a good one, especially if Marquette wins.
Hopefully a nice little 3 day stretch there
Quote from: Viper on January 20, 2024, 01:55:51 PM
toss a prop at Gold if you must, but he's not good. Slow. Poor shooter. Poor defender. Zaide should take his minutes. It's not even up for discussion at this point, imo.
Thanks for your permission. I was worried.
Quote from: withoutbias on January 20, 2024, 02:00:13 PM
You also thought UCLA was going to age well and didn't want to face them again in March.
I, too, do not want to face them in March. Because if we do it means we had to pay for whatever tournament we would be playing them in.
Always so illuminating to read posts from a lightweight kitten like you who is too insecure to ever actually make a prediction or projection, but so eager to jump on those posters who do make predictions/projections that may be off the mark.
So Bias, why don't you answer the following:
Who are your Final Four teams this year?
What seed do you think this MU will be for the NCAA this year?
How far will the team go?
Scale of 1-10, how big of turd are you in real life?
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:15:20 PM
Beating an unranked team by a single point is a "great" win?
SJ were favored to win, MU covered and won great day
Quote from: Goose on January 20, 2024, 02:07:20 PM
Sultan
There definitely are a lot of differing opinions on how the game is played. Have to say that sometimes I am completely at loss reading some of the posts. I do find it interesting, and a positive, that the usual negative posters take the time to watch the game and post.
bias
Not sure I ever said the UCLA win would age well, but do remember saying I would not want to see them in March. I'll take your word that I said that win would age well. Obviously that was really fxxkin incorrect.
Goose, no doubt some posts are crazy, mine included. But the common link is we all want MU to be a consistent nationally prominent winner. However, and in defense of all posters that might get slightly bent during the game...MU can be soooo frustrating. It just seems that in so many seasons, especially from Buzz's final season, through Wojo and now Shaka (exception being 2022/23 regular season and BE tourney) it's often migraine inducing self-inflicted daggers. MU was up 13 with 4-ish minutes to go!!! MU misses 4 straight free throws late!!! Can't hit 3's better than 20%!!!! Sure, there's great wins along the way, such as the KU beat down in Maui. But how MU plays, how MU is at times coached (the UW, SH, Butler games come to mind as does late in today's game)...yeah, it creates posting that might create some head scratching, justifiably so imo. But I do love everyone's passion for MU basketball being great!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 20, 2024, 01:48:29 PM
They had an answer. They sagged a defender into the lane.
They started playing a little more drop but it was only semi-effective. TK was getting into the big's body and drawing contact. Still doesn't explain moving entirely away from it with about 3 minutes left. As well as it was working I would've spammed it on almost every possession if nothing else than to create some structure on offense.
Quote from: nyg on January 20, 2024, 01:29:27 PM
Never seen a 93% free throw shooter miss two free throws and then a front end, along with another good shooter miss a front end, all within a minute and a half. Very Lucky
Don't care about Gold's. shin splints, not a very good excuse. Big deal he made one hustle play on one possession in a game. He is probably the slowest bigman in the big east and is now 0 for last 12 in threes and none in last five games.
If all starters were gassed at the end, why didn't Shaka play Norman in second half? He played like a minute in first, picked up two fouls and sat after that. Is he that bad? If so maybe he is not the future point guard. Why did he sit, maybe Shaka has no faith in the guy? Least give some starter a rest for a minute. Lowery should have played more and Gold did not play a lot in second half. Shaka went with the starters.
Didn't understand working the clock down in last four minutes, then MU had to put up circus shots. Oh well, didn't matter but strange philosophy.
Nice comeback and win, run back to Milwaukee.
You obviously don't know ball.
Quote from: 1SE on January 20, 2024, 01:52:34 PM
Switched from beer to whisk(e)y at half - made all the difference.
You know what you have to do
Quote from: Viper on January 20, 2024, 02:25:57 PM
Sure, there's great wins along the way
This game today was a great win.
It wasn't a perfect win. Few are. But it was a great win. Enjoy the journey!
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 20, 2024, 02:26:08 PM
They started playing a little more drop but it was only semi-effective. TK was getting into the big's body and drawing contact. Still doesn't explain moving entirely away from it with about 3 minutes left. As well as it was working I would've spammed it on almost every possession if nothing else than to create some structure on offense.
St John's full court pressure began at the 4 minute mark and if we didn't turn it over, we were disrupted and late to get into our actions. I don't think it was a function of us going away from it as much as St. John's taking us out of it and doing everything possible to disrupt that as it was clear TKO and Oso had it going.
Pitno is a hall of fame coach, so it only stands to reason he made the adjustments that took that away.
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 01:34:10 PM
Wow ... you'd have really blown a gasket had we lost. Winning this one probably saved you an expensive ER trip.
We were favored by 1 and won by 1 on the road against a team that has caused many others trouble.
I wish it would have been a little easier at the end, but it wasn't ... and our guys still came through.
Enjoy the victory. Enjoy every victory.
We Are Marquette!
Last time I looked SJ was favored by 1.5, maybe changed right before the game?
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 02:20:17 PM
Thanks for your permission. I was worried.
snark back at me? All good!!
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 20, 2024, 02:30:07 PM
Last time I looked SJ was favored by 1.5, maybe changed right before the game?
I was looking at this:
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on January 19, 2024, 05:07:14 PM
Friday 1/19/25
17 Marquette at St, John's (MSG), 11am, FOX - Tim Brando and Jim Jackson
Line: Marquette -1/153
I didn't realize it had moved to StJ -1.5.
Thanks for the update. And that makes the win even better!
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 20, 2024, 02:29:44 PM
St John's full court pressure began at the 4 minute mark and if we didn't turn it over, we were disrupted and late to get into our actions. I don't think it was a function of us going away from it as much as St. John's taking us out of it and doing everything possible to disrupt that as it was clear TKO and Oso had it going.
Pitno is a hall of fame coach, so it only stands to reason he made the adjustments that took that away.
Possibly but we were still running some screening action with Jop, Kam and TK. Oso was pretty much parked in dunker spot
Quote from: 1SE on January 20, 2024, 01:52:34 PM
Switched from beer to whisk(e)y at half - made all the difference.
You're in my team the heavier I drink the better play from MU
Quote from: tower912 on January 20, 2024, 01:14:54 PM
Meh. Get Chase healthy, start hitting 3's and this is still the team that whupped Kansas and took Purdue to the wire.
If we can re-find the confidence that has been lost with the poor shooting and shaky play over the past month.
Quote from: Viper on January 20, 2024, 01:53:51 PM
yes. Shaka's sub patterns are odd. It's as if he has no feel for the flow of the game. Zaide on a roll...take him out? What?? The team has regressed some both in season and from last season, but so has Shaka in some ways. Substitution patterns being what really jumps out at me of late.
I'm with you Shaka don't know ball.
Quote from: Goose on January 20, 2024, 01:54:59 PM
I'll take this win seven days a week. There are a lot of negative folks on scoop and time will tell if they know ball or not. Lot is basketball yet to be played before March but I think this is a win that will age well.
I say there are more perverts here than negative folks, losing my faith.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 20, 2024, 02:01:31 PM
Whatever Shaka said at half was a masterclass. We came out sharp and everything we ran worked flawless(plus actually making shots)
I do still have no idea why he stopped the pick n roll once we built the lead. Foot on gas.
I find it hard to believe TK and Oso went rogue and stopped it themselves
They stop switching for a time so no bad matchups to take advantage of
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 02:29:12 PM
This game today was a great win.
I agree great win. This team has been struggling and did so the whole first half.
To come back down 6 at the half and win on the road against a good team who was also highly motivated given they just dropped 2. That is a GREAT WIN. Even if it's only by 1 point. We may look back on this as the day MU turned it around
This is a good team. They are getting everyone's best shot. Injuries and shooting slumps are part of it. Perhaps some were spoiled by the success last year and thought it was the new normal. Perhaps some of those were on the team. Who knows?
Once upon a time, every conference road win was celebrated. Perhaps that mindset should be revisited.
Quote from: 1SE on January 20, 2024, 01:52:34 PM
Switched from beer to whisk(e)y at half - made all the difference.
I switched chairs for the second half so I'm sure that helped as well.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 20, 2024, 02:55:03 PM
I switched chairs for the second half so I'm sure that helped as well.
I switched to my lucky thongs at half.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 20, 2024, 02:23:25 PM
Always so illuminating to read posts from a lightweight kitten like you who is too insecure to ever actually make a prediction or projection, but so eager to jump on those posters who do make predictions/projections that may be off the mark.
So Bias, why don't you answer the following:
Who are your Final Four teams this year?
What seed do you think this MU will be for the NCAA this year?
How far will the team go?
Scale of 1-10, how big of turd are you in real life?
Ah yes. NCAA Tournament bracket predictions. Definitely the greatest way to prove who knows ball! lol.
Because everyone who knows ball had FAU and SDSU in the Final Four last year.
Go back to proclaiming how great John Dawson was for picking splinters out of his a$$ on a GLeague roster stacked with future NBA All Stars.
🤡🍑
Quote from: Viper on January 20, 2024, 02:25:57 PM
Goose, no doubt some posts are crazy, mine included. But the common link is we all want MU to be a consistent nationally prominent winner. However, and in defense of all posters that might get slightly bent during the game...MU can be soooo frustrating. It just seems that in so many seasons, especially from Buzz's final season, through Wojo and now Shaka (exception being 2022/23 regular season and BE tourney) it's often migraine inducing self-inflicted daggers. MU was up 13 with 4-ish minutes to go!!! MU misses 4 straight free throws late!!! Can't hit 3's better than 20%!!!! Sure, there's great wins along the way, such as the KU beat down in Maui. But how MU plays, how MU is at times coached (the UW, SH, Butler games come to mind as does late in today's game)...yeah, it creates posting that might create some head scratching, justifiably so imo. But I do love everyone's passion for MU basketball being great!
You just described every team.
Quote from: nyg on January 20, 2024, 01:29:27 PM
If all starters were gassed at the end, why didn't Shaka play Norman in second half? He played like a minute in first, picked up two fouls and sat after that. Is he that bad? If so maybe he is not the future point guard. Why did he sit, maybe Shaka has no faith in the guy?
Tre has had plenty of chances to seize the opportunity with the injuries and so far has been...less than stellar. Freshman year Sean seemed more ready than Tre is this year, I was not high on Sean at all.
Plenty of time for him to find it.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 20, 2024, 01:31:12 PM
Hi. I'm an EMS worker and I'm in the back of the ambulance with Snoop. He asked me to post for him to say how happy he is that Marquette pulled this one out. Gotta go. We're at Emergency Room entrance.
MUBB is extremely hazardous to one's health?
Me sending him an email probably got him overly excited.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 20, 2024, 03:12:23 PM
MUBB is extremely hazardous to one's health?
Always, since 1979 for me
Quote from: withoutbias on January 20, 2024, 02:59:00 PM
Ah yes. NCAA Tournament bracket predictions. Definitely the greatest way to prove who knows ball! lol.
Because everyone who knows ball had FAU and SDSU in the Final Four last year.
Go back to proclaiming how great John Dawson was for picking splinters out of his a$$ on a GLeague roster stacked with future NBA All Stars.
🤡🍑
Shocker. When Bias gets asked to make any kind of prediction, he simply is too insecure to do so. But you sure were right on target to suggest Zaide Lowery wouldn't be able to compete at the Big East level!!
Quote from: withoutbias on December 02, 2023, 03:46:22 PM
Oh god. This again?
Because Zaide showed athleticism against Southern (I repeat, against SOUTHERN for God's sake) he should be eating into a starter's minutes?
Maybe, you know, these guys who are paid millions to make these decisions and see the guys hours every day have a better idea than you based off of a(n extremely) low major.
Quote from: withoutbias on December 02, 2023, 03:59:55 PM
lol. Yes. Zaide's 7 rebounds against SOUTHERN (not Southern Cal...SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY) proves he can CONSISTENTLY compete at "this level." But Jop, the Sixth Man of the BE conference last year, cannot compete at this level.
Shaka has to go. Ners for player coach. He dunks on people, so he has the requisite athleticism to compete unlike David Joplin.
Quote from: withoutbias on December 07, 2023, 10:05:36 AM
Only disappointing thing about last night was Zaide's 1 rebound in 10 minutes. I was told he had the elite athleticism that Jop lacks that is a requisite to compete at this level of basketball. Alas, maybe playing against Southern makes you look like a better rebounder than when you're playing the big boys.
(He did do a good job defensively on Absmas. He looked in over his head offensively.)
1. Tale of 2 halves: 0-11 3FG to 6-9 3FG.
2. Shaka and Pitino both coached very well. A constant chess match of coaching adjustments.
3. Played our best ball of the season to build the lead and our worst to almost give it away.
4. Won anyway.
5. Gold's defense I'm the first half was fantastic. Very active hands and feet. 2 steals.
6. But his shot is very flat right now. Low release point. Is he rushing? When Gold shoots with a higher release point, he tends to make a lot more.
7. Zaide and Lowery continue to grow. Nice D, great dunk, and a made 3.
8. Stevie was great. His usual strong defense and some much needed offense. Great job driving and finishing.
9. Jolp and Cam [sic] weren't great but had their moments.
10. Kolek and Oso pick and roll is so special. Both execute it at an NBA level. That's a big part of their NBA appeal.
11. Turnovers, mental mistakes, and poor FT shooting nearly cost us. But I repeat, won anyway.
12. Take every win and run!!!
Elon
I was hoping that bias would answer your last question more than hearing his take on basketball.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 20, 2024, 03:16:59 PM
Shocker. When Bias gets asked to make any kind of prediction, he simply is too insecure to do so. But you sure were right on target to suggest Zaide Lowery wouldn't be able to compete at the Big East level!!
You are a true savant. Cannot believe MU has not hired you as a recruiting coordinator yet. Or NBA teams as a scout.
Please allow me to bow to you. Or if you could just dunk and hang on the rim for a bit, I could kiss your feet that way.
I watched the game on delay. Many thoughts, but two really stood out. First, Joel Soriano is one of the most productive bad basketball players I've ever seen. Not sure anyone else puts up bigger numbers while simultaneously making his team worse. I really thought Pitino would harness his positive attributes and turn him into a good player, but I was wrong.
Zaide should've played more down the stretch. Kam disappeared and Zaide was getting it done on both ends. I think he would've ended their run sooner had he come in when it was cut to 7.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 20, 2024, 03:26:25 PM
1. Tale of 2 halves: 0-11 3FG to 6-9 3FG.
2. Shaka and Pitino both coached very well. A constant chess match of coaching adjustments.
3. Played our best ball of the season to build the lead and our worst to almost give it away.
4. Won anyway.
5. Gold's defense I'm the first half was fantastic. Very active hands and feet. 2 steals.
6. But his shot is very flat right now. Low release point. Is he rushing? When Gold shoots with a higher release point, he tends to make a lot more.
7. Zaide and Lowery continue to grow. Nice D, great dunk, and a made 3.
8. Stevie was great. His usual strong defense and some much needed offense. Great job driving and finishing.
9. Jolp and Cam [sic] weren't great but had their moments.
10. Kolek and Oso pick and roll is so special. Both execute it at an NBA level. That's a big part of their NBA appeal.
11. Turnovers, mental mistakes, and poor FT shooting nearly cost us. But I repeat, won anyway.
12. Take every win and run!!!
per your #7: Stevie has stepped up. I appreciate Zaide stepping up too, but do believe Stevie seeing the ball go through the hoop is going to pay big dividends this season. Just the threat of him scoring can open things up.
The offense looked the way I expect in the second half. Those made 3s should also pay dividends. Slowly but surely getting the feel back.
As you said, take a road win and run! Happy we have a home game on Wednesday!
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 20, 2024, 03:38:41 PM
I watched the game on delay. Many thoughts, but two really stood out. First, Joel Soriano is one of the most productive bad basketball players I've ever seen. Not sure anyone else puts up bigger numbers while simultaneously making his team worse. I really thought Pitino would harness his positive attributes and turn him into a good player, but I was wrong.
Zaide should've played more down the stretch. Kam disappeared and Zaide was getting it done on both ends. I think he would've ended their run sooner had he come in when it was cut to 7.
I don't know brew, in this type of situations I would go with experience, would be asking a lot of a frosh, but I totally get where you're at. But in Shaka I trust!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 20, 2024, 01:31:12 PM
Hi. I'm an EMS worker and I'm in the back of the ambulance with Snoop. He asked me to post for him to say how happy he is that Marquette pulled this one out. Gotta go. We're at Emergency Room entrance.
My cardiologist hates this team.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 20, 2024, 03:42:49 PM
I don't know brew, in this type of situations I would go with experience, would be asking a lot of a frosh, but I totally get where you're at. But in Shaka I trust!
I get that, and it worked, but Zaide was really clicking on both ends. If it was Chase, I think it would be a no-brainer decision. For better or worse, Zaide is in the Chase role.
Tim Brando: "They're Golden Eagles now but when Al McGuire had them they were Warriors. They've been Warriors to start the second half!"
Love it.
Quote from: Goose on January 20, 2024, 03:29:02 PM
Elon
I was hoping that bias would answer your last question more than hearing his take on basketball.
Me too. He'd probably rate himself a 1 on the turd scale, when in reality he's a 10.
It was great to see MU come out in the 2H with that kind of precision. We lost focus for sure but a W is a W.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 20, 2024, 03:38:41 PM
I watched the game on delay. Many thoughts, but two really stood out. First, Joel Soriano is one of the most productive bad basketball players I've ever seen. Not sure anyone else puts up bigger numbers while simultaneously making his team worse. I really thought Pitino would harness his positive attributes and turn him into a good player, but I was wrong.
Zaide should've played more down the stretch. Kam disappeared and Zaide was getting it done on both ends. I think he would've ended their run sooner had he come in when it was cut to 7.
Announcers kept talking about SJU hanging around/leading with Soriano sitting so much
I made a comment during the second half that I think him on the bench was a negative to us. That Ejiofor or whatever guy is way more active and athletic.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 20, 2024, 03:46:35 PM
I get that, and it worked, but Zaide was really clicking on both ends. If it was Chase, I think it would be a no-brainer decision. For better or worse, Zaide is in the Chase role.
Correct but again, Chase has experience and Zaide doesn't, Shaka is a good coach and won't throw Zaide into the fire like that.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:15:20 PM
Beating an unranked team by a single point is a "great" win?
StJ is 36 in Net and 39 in Kenpom and a tournament team. So, yes, great road win. You should do some reading.
Well I was right. Going to the game the day after my 77th birthday was a good omen. I am now 6-0 at MSG when we play. That is not saying much as it was 53 years ago that I saw them beat Fordham and then 4 in a row during the 1970 NIT run.
A couple of observations: There are a ton of Marquette fans that don't follow Scoop or so I surmise. There were about 20 or so in my section, in the lower bowl when we tied the game at 49 or so a whole corner section in the lower bowl just exploded with cheers. We had a good following at the game.
Give Ty the benefit of the doubt. The crowd noise was just about unbearable at the end of the game when making those FTs. Watching the game on TV and being there gives you a different perspective of what the player is actually going through.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on January 20, 2024, 01:15:20 PM
Beating an unranked team by a single point is a "great" win?
Yes, Q1A wins are great.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 20, 2024, 03:58:21 PM
Well I was right. Going to the game the day after my 77th birthday was a good omen. I am now 6-0 at MSG when we play. That is not saying much as it was 53 years ago that I saw them beat Fordham and then 4 in a row during the 1970 NIT run.
A couple of observations: There are a ton of Marquette fans that don't follow Scoop or so I surmise. There were about 20 or so in my section, in the lower bowl when we tied the game at 49 or so a whole corner section in the lower bowl just exploded with cheers. We had a good following at the game.
Give Ty the benefit of the doubt. The crowd noise was just about unbearable at the end of the game when making those FTs. Watching the game on TV and being there gives you a different perspective of what the player is actually going through.
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for bringing home the W.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 20, 2024, 03:58:21 PM
Give Ty the benefit of the doubt. The crowd noise was just about unbearable at the end of the game when making those FTs. Watching the game on TV and being there gives you a different perspective of what the player is actually going through.
The energy at the garden is just different. Can't wait for the BET.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 20, 2024, 03:58:21 PM
Well I was right. Going to the game the day after my 77th birthday was a good omen. I am now 6-0 at MSG when we play. That is not saying much as it was 53 years ago that I saw them beat Fordham and then 4 in a row during the 1970 NIT run.
A couple of observations: There are a ton of Marquette fans that don't follow Scoop or so I surmise. There were about 20 or so in my section, in the lower bowl when we tied the game at 49 or so a whole corner section in the lower bowl just exploded with cheers. We had a good following at the game.
Give Ty the benefit of the doubt. The crowd noise was just about unbearable at the end of the game when making those FTs. Watching the game on TV and being there gives you a different perspective of what the player is actually going through.
First of all, I gave you the assignment of getting Marquette to 77 points in celebration of your BD. You failed. Good thing we won anyway.
Kolek was gassed as evidenced by his being red-faced and gasping near the end, pacing at the FT line to settle down, and no doubt rattled by SJs comeback. Let's lighten up, scoopers.
My wife and I have been to MSG a number of times for BET. One time we had a SJ fan in the row in front of us during Marquette's 30-something blowout of SJ. She was not a very large woman, but what a pair of lungs! She
very loudly cheered SJ on non-stop! If you heard only her and did not see the game or score, you would have thought it was Marquette who was getting blown out.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 20, 2024, 03:46:35 PM
I get that, and it worked, but Zaide was really clicking on both ends. If it was Chase, I think it would be a no-brainer decision. For better or worse, Zaide is in the Chase role.
He's in Chase's role but that role (and its minutes) have been lessened because of Zaide's inexperience. Once Zaide proves to Shaka that he deserves Chase like minutes he'll get them. I'm very high on him, he's well on his way.
1. I don't know ball but I do learn ball by reading the comments made here on MUSCOOP. I find it fascinating.
2. I think Stevie was the guy today. Turned good defense into unexpected offense. Nice to see someone outside the Big 3 starters come up big.
3. My youngest daughter and last child is now a senior and I gotta find out a way to fit in a game with her in the next two months. Did you ever think your life would be so complicated when you were at MU and 21 years old? Pressure time geezer man.
4. My other goal is to buy Tower912 a beer some day!
Quote from: willie warrior on January 20, 2024, 01:34:57 PM
Great comeback by Warriors. It was a scary one. The you dont know ball comment by Tower was dumb. Stevie is appreciated but he let Jenkins torch him all game. Smart move by Shaka putting Gold on Jenkins on last shot. His length probably made him miss.
6-13 for 16 points, 2-6 from DT, 6 TOs is a torching????
Quote from: sodakmu87 on January 20, 2024, 04:55:50 PM
4. My other goal is to buy Tower912 a beer some day!
Diet Pepsi. I am planning on the Butler game. I was planning on the home Butler game, but a family medical issue forced me to cancel. Probably why MU lost.
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 20, 2024, 04:58:10 PM
6-13 for 16 points, 2-6 from DT, 6 TOs is a torching????
But wait...he is supposed to be a defensive stud. Jenkins blew by him frequently. Guess you were watching another game.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 20, 2024, 05:12:17 PM
But wait...he is supposed to be a defensive stud. Jenkins blew by him frequently. Guess you were watching another game.
He is a defensive stud. You're just a moron
Stevie stuff
https://x.com/markstrot/status/1748798835260797098?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: MarquetteFan94 on January 20, 2024, 03:55:59 PM
StJ is 36 in Net and 39 in Kenpom and a tournament team. So, yes, great road win. You should do some reading.
Kansas just lost at West Virginia.......Its hard to beat anybody on the road.......WV not even close to an NCAA tournament team
Quote from: MuMark on January 20, 2024, 05:15:29 PM
Kansas just lost at West Virginia.......Its hard to beat anybody on the road.......WV not even close to an NCAA tournament team
Kansas can't possibly be any good. I read in the game thread this team stinks and to say sayonara to the season and Kansas lost to said team.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 05:23:19 PM
Kansas can't possibly be any good. I read in the game thread this team stinks and to say sayonara to the season and Kansas lost to said team.
The win over them is aging like sour milk.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 20, 2024, 05:24:42 PM
The win over them is aging like sour milk.
Going to haunt us all year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 05:14:00 PM
Stevie stuff
https://x.com/markstrot/status/1748798835260797098?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Stevie & Gold sux
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 20, 2024, 03:12:23 PM
MUBB is extremely hazardous to one's health?
I survived, but everybody has to go sometime. Might as well be right after a Marquette win.
Nice of the EMS guy to post for me.
I've decided to 'fess up to my cardiologist about my bball watching and ask her to prescribe valium for me.
#FTsNoMatta
Stevie had to back off co you one of times in the final 8 bc he had 3 fouls.
Shaka did not "put Ben in Jenkins" on the last play. He as supposed to be doubled. Shaka noted after the game that a couple of our guys were thrown off by the pass to Soriano.
If so many here are upset with our win, I hate to think what scoop would be like if we lost today. I self-ban for 24 hrs after a loss because it gets so bad here. Here's the bottom line folks-we usurped St. Johns, just as scoops favorite scooper demanded.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 20, 2024, 06:14:48 PM
If so many here are upset with our win, I hate to think what scoop would be like if we lost today. I self-ban for 24 hrs after a loss because it gets so bad here. Here's the bottom line folks-we usurped St. Johns, just as scoops favorite scooper demanded.
This win suxed, will drag our net down
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 20, 2024, 06:16:49 PM
This win suxed, will drag our net down
Arguably the worst win in the Shaka era
How do you score 28 points in the paint and are only given one free throw!
https://redstormsports.com/watch/live?Archive=3953&type=Archive
Pitino. A bigger fan than many scoopers. 'Stockton and Malone'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D7XOuGlFxs
Shaka and Oso. 'The shots haven't been falling, but we trust our process.'
Quote from: sodakmu87 on January 20, 2024, 04:55:50 PM
1. I don't know ball but I do learn ball by reading the comments made here on MUSCOOP. I find it fascinating.
2. I think Stevie was the guy today. Turned good defense into unexpected offense. Nice to see someone outside the Big 3 starters come up big.
3. My youngest daughter and last child is now a senior and I gotta find out a way to fit in a game with her in the next two months. Did you ever think your life would be so complicated when you were at MU and 21 years old? Pressure time geezer man.
4. My other goal is to buy Tower912 a beer some day!
Buy some tickets to Xavier game Sunday 2/25.
Perfect valentines gift
Quote from: DoctorV on January 20, 2024, 06:40:34 PM
Buy some tickets to Xavier game Sunday 2/25.
Perfect valentines gift
I'm there with wife, RC, dgies & doc
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 20, 2024, 05:29:38 PM
I survived, but everybody has to go sometime. Might as well be right after a Marquette win.
Nice of the EMS guy to post for me.
I've decided to 'fess up to my cardiologist about my bball watching and ask her to prescribe valium for me.
https://youtu.be/hd1ciPnTGKg?si=5F-XsQHDGQKSfnW3
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 20, 2024, 03:46:35 PM
I get that, and it worked, but Zaide was really clicking on both ends. If it was Chase, I think it would be a no-brainer decision. For better or worse, Zaide is in the Chase role.
And, really, performing in it about as well as Chase. I know it's small sample but any comparative advanced metrics?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 20, 2024, 05:29:38 PM
I survived, but everybody has to go sometime. Might as well be right after a Marquette win.
Nice of the EMS guy to post for me.
I've decided to 'fess up to my cardiologist about my bball watching and ask her to prescribe valium for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX1-U9MI6h4
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 05:23:19 PM
Kansas can't possibly be any good. I read in the game thread this team stinks and to say sayonara to the season and Kansas lost to said team.
nolongerjayhawks is in shambles
Quote from: 1SE on January 20, 2024, 06:58:22 PM
And, really, performing in it about as well as Chase. I know it's small sample but any comparative advanced metrics?
5 of our anemic number of rebounds came from Zaide. He is going to be good.
Quote from: Daniel on January 20, 2024, 08:37:06 PM
5 of our anemic number of rebounds came from Zaide. He is going to be good.
Until Scoop decides he suxs
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 20, 2024, 08:40:47 PM
Until Scoop decides he suxs
Yep. Today alone, one Scooper said he "hates" Stevie, and another compared Stevie to "dung." It's only a matter of time before Zaide is similarly appreciated.
Quote from: MU82 on January 20, 2024, 10:21:47 PM
Yep. Today alone, one Scooper said he "hates" Stevie, and another compared Stevie to "dung." It's only a matter of time before Zaide is similarly appreciated.
Zaide and Lowery will be hated
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on January 20, 2024, 11:29:54 PM
Unfair to both of them
And Zaide and Lowery are roommates too lol
Quote from: Daniel on January 21, 2024, 12:18:04 AM
And Zaide and Lowery are roommates too lol
Thank you for the info, didn't know, interesting
Great win! Very difficult to win at the Garden against a physical, scrappy, in your face on both sides of the ball team. I was pretty drunk but it sure seemed like we pulled away and held on. When we were down two, I felt like it was ten, then we were up ten. So many ranked teams lost recently, barely .500 record, so while I would prefer the killer mentality at the end, a win is a win.
By the way, if ever in Key West, Jack Flats is the move. Basically there from 12pm til 11pm, lots of MU fans, was really a great place to watch the game. I'm not a Packer fan, but there were a lot of Wisconsin degenerates living it up. Super fun.
It takes balls to run a designed play for a three point shot straight out of halftime after you went 0/11 in the first half from distance.
Love having a coach and players with balls.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 21, 2024, 02:03:28 AM
It takes balls to run a designed play for a three point shot straight out of halftime after you went 0/11 in the first half from distance.
Love having a coach and players with balls.
Yep, I mentioned that in another thread. And it was such a perfect move. That single play - and made 3 by Joplin - set the tone for the entire victory. It's good coaching.
Some have a romanticized view of last season - like we won every game easily. We didn't - we played St. John's 3x and we struggled mightily to beat them. After the second of those - the opener of the BET - lots of Scoopers were predicting a loss to UConn even though they had seen MU overcome adversity all season.
The injury to Kolek did us in last season, and now two major injuries are testing this team. Considering everything - with a shooting slump thrown in - I'm pretty darn happy with the resolve of this team so far.
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2024, 07:23:04 AM
Yep, I mentioned that in another thread. And it was such a perfect move. That single play - and made 3 by Joplin - set the tone for the entire victory. It's good coaching.
Some have a romanticized view of last season - like we won every game easily. We didn't - we played St. John's 3x and we struggled mightily to beat them. After the second of those - the opener of the BET - lots of Scoopers were predicting a loss to UConn even though they had seen MU overcome adversity all season.
The injury to Kolek did us in last season, and now two major injuries are testing this team. Considering everything - with a shooting slump thrown in - I'm pretty darn happy with the resolve of this team so far.
thx for setting us all straight 82.
It is what he does. If only more listened.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on January 21, 2024, 01:17:49 AM
Great win! Very difficult to win at the Garden against a physical, scrappy, in your face on both sides of the ball team. I was pretty drunk but it sure seemed like we pulled away and held on. When we were down two, I felt like it was ten, then we were up ten. So many ranked teams lost recently, barely .500 record, so while I would prefer the killer mentality at the end, a win is a win.
By the way, if ever in Key West, Jack Flats is the move. Basically there from 12pm til 11pm, lots of MU fans, was really a great place to watch the game. I'm not a Packer fan, but there were a lot of Wisconsin degenerates living it up. Super fun.
Apparently wins are not that impressive to some here if they think the team should have done better. ::) "Physical, scrappy, in your face " sums it up nicely. While SJ got hammered in NJ, this same team traveled to UCONN and stayed even with them until the last 1-2 minutes when UCONN solidified a modest lead for good. Marquette fans bitching about a win is ridiculous.
Since the other thread was locked - this was pretty much right on. I feel like I need a "know ball" trophy.
Since the other thread was locked - this was pretty much right on. I feel like I need a "know ball" trophy.
Since the other thread was locked - this was pretty much right on. I feel like I need a "know ball" trophy.
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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2024, 09:49:14 AM »
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2024, 09:38:15 AM
I think Tower is saying 40% is liekly a guarenteed win, 29% is likely a guarenteed loss, and in between those two points could go either way.
That's not that far off from being 100% accurate this season
It's all relative - if we should 29% from 3 and they shoot 20% we'll win. In fact, if venture to say that if we shoot a better % than them from 3 we will win
Any road win in the BE is a good win. They are not all going to be pretty. Winning ugly is ok. And, I have no doubt that Tyler and Stevie were gassed at the end of the game. Tre Norman has a real opportunity here, and we really need him to seize the moment. Tyler and Stevie cannot keep playing that many minutes.
Quote from: rgoode57 on January 21, 2024, 08:36:55 AM
Any road win in the BE is a good win. They are not all going to be pretty. Winning ugly is ok. And, I have no doubt that Tyler and Stevie were gassed at the end of the game. Tre Norman has a real opportunity here, and we really need him to seize the moment. Tyler and Stevie cannot keep playing that many minutes.
The return of Chase will help. If Tre doesn't step up, Kam or Stevie run the point for 8 minutes a game and Chase and Zaide play 15-18 each.
Shaka on Stevie:
"Man, he just brings a level of intensity. Intensity, disruption for the other team. He just plays all out.
"It was important today because we were struggling on offense and he kind of took it upon himself to get to the paint and make something happen. He also in the second half, went out and got some layups for us, which was huge.
"His energy, his intensity, the way he rubs off on his teammates. And then you can put Stevie on any opposing great player. He might not shut them down, but he's going to make things challenging. He's going to continue to fight."
If only Shaka knew as much about basketball as the permanently perturbed williewampum does.
Quote from: 1SE on January 21, 2024, 08:10:54 AM
Since the other thread was locked - this was pretty much right on. I feel like I need a "know ball" trophy.
Since the other thread was locked - this was pretty much right on. I feel like I need a "know ball" trophy.
Since the other thread was locked - this was pretty much right on. I feel like I need a "know ball" trophy.
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Re: DIsposing of the Johnnies
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2024, 09:49:14 AM »
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 19, 2024, 09:38:15 AM
I think Tower is saying 40% is liekly a guarenteed win, 29% is likely a guarenteed loss, and in between those two points could go either way.
That's not that far off from being 100% accurate this season
It's all relative - if we should 29% from 3 and they shoot 20% we'll win. In fact, if venture to say that if we shoot a better % than them from 3 we will win
We shot 30% from 3, no trophy for you ;D
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2024, 09:04:39 AM
Shaka on Stevie:
"Man, he just brings a level of intensity. Intensity, disruption for the other team. He just plays all out.
"It was important today because we were struggling on offense and he kind of took it upon himself to get to the paint and make something happen. He also in the second half, went out and got some layups for us, which was huge.
"His energy, his intensity, the way he rubs off on his teammates. And then you can put Stevie on any opposing great player. He might not shut them down, but he's going to make things challenging. He's going to continue to fight."
If only Shaka knew as much about basketball as the permanently perturbed williewampum does.
Willie thinks Stevie is dung. I'll take his word over Shaka
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2024, 08:49:31 AM
The return of Chase will help. If Tre doesn't step up, Kam or Stevie run the point for 8 minutes a game and Chase and Zaide play 15-18 each.
Kam as a fill in? Yes. Has a pretty good handle and moves the ball.
But I would dread having to have Stevie play point. He doesn't even want to bring the ball up court. And I say that as a huge fan of Stevie.
It would be similar to when Mark Anglavar was asked to play point and break the press. The only good that came of that was that it brought us Tony Miller.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 20, 2024, 03:26:25 PM
1. Tale of 2 halves: 0-11 3FG to 6-9 3FG.
2. Shaka and Pitino both coached very well. A constant chess match of coaching adjustments.
3. Played our best ball of the season to build the lead and our worst to almost give it away.
4. Won anyway.
5. Gold's defense I'm the first half was fantastic. Very active hands and feet. 2 steals.
6. But his shot is very flat right now. Low release point. Is he rushing? When Gold shoots with a higher release point, he tends to make a lot more.
7. Zaide and Lowery continue to grow. Nice D, great dunk, and a made 3.
8. Stevie was great. His usual strong defense and some much needed offense. Great job driving and finishing.
9. Jolp and Cam [sic] weren't great but had their moments.
10. Kolek and Oso pick and roll is so special. Both execute it at an NBA level. That's a big part of their NBA appeal.
11. Turnovers, mental mistakes, and poor FT shooting nearly cost us. But I repeat, won anyway.
12. Take every win and run!!!
Great analysis.
1. Zaide is turning the corner and getting more minutes. Great to see and is needed.
2. Tre is still struggling and didn't deserve any more minutes than what he received yesterday.
3. Ben did look better defensively yesterday. Foot speed looked better around the basket. When he is on an island guarding a quicker perimeter player, what do you expect. His shot is way too flat. He needs to work on more arc asap because its not working at all.
4. Missed free throws all game long almost cost us the game. Nothing to do with being tired.
We become too MU focused and sometimes spew negativity or hateful comments. I think for some the bar they set for this team is way too high so the frustration levels are sky high when we dont win or look convincing. We had a magical year last year but still had some struggles.
Widen the view and look around the landscape and you will see the following:
1. Yea UCLA is not aging well but Texas is. Really doesn't matter, a win is a win.
2. Creighton had 3 players play 53 minutes yesterday and Scheierman played 55 minutes. And they won. Tyler choked in the moment. It is what it is.
3. Kansas gave up 3 offensive rebounds in the last minute of a game they were trailing and lost to West Virginia of all teams. Granted it was on the road. Road games are tough.
I think there are a lot of good teams this year who can make it to the final game. Even if with all are warts, we are one of them. I think things are slowly turning around from our month long slump.
Now lets go beat the snot out of Depaul.
The only point I disagree with you on Papi is "a win is a win". The value of winning our game vs, UCLA is sinking as the season goes on. What will it be by Selection Sunday?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 21, 2024, 10:53:02 AM
The only point I disagree with you on Papi is "a win is a win". The value of winning our game vs, UCLA is sinking as the season goes on. What will it be by Selection Sunday?
Beating UCLA allowed us to play and beat the crap out of Kansas, which allowed us to play and almost beat Purdue. What are you talking about?
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2024, 08:49:31 AM
The return of Chase will help. If Tre doesn't step up, Kam or Stevie run the point for 8 minutes a game and Chase and Zaide play 15-18 each.
I agree with this analysis. I've been reluctant to comment on Tre as my impressions generally haven't been too positive. I like his attitude and his size/physicality, yet that also limits his quickness/overall athleticism. His 3-ball is very flat, but that should be able to be corrected/improved by the time he's an upperclassman.
Knowing how high Shaka is on him, and that he's been a winner and is a high character kid - hoping things click a bit more for him NOW, given the opportunity in front of him.
But, if they don't, then we do need to run Kam/Stevie at the point for 8 minutes per game to get Kolek down to 32. And in doing that, it should help get Zaide more minutes - which I feel is critical at this point as he can be a real X-factor going forward.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 21, 2024, 10:56:07 AM
Beating UCLA allowed us to play and beat the crap out of Kansas, which allowed us to play and almost beat Purdue. What are you talking about?
No question about what you wrote. Justs saying the
value of the UCLA game when the Selection Committee sizes up Marquette will be based upon UCLA's entire season. At the time we played them, they were a high level team. Now, they are 8-11.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2024, 05:12:46 PM
He is a defensive stud. You're just a moron
Thats it Meathead. When the facts arent your way, resort to name calling, Rosie. And sseaking of morons you are first in line. Great to know that I still and always live rent free in your seedless melon.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on January 21, 2024, 09:43:53 AM
Kam as a fill in? Yes. Has a pretty good handle and moves the ball.
But I would dread having to have Stevie play point. He doesn't even want to bring the ball up court. And I say that as a huge fan of Stevie.
It would be similar to when Mark Anglavar was asked to play point and break the press. The only good that came of that was that it brought us Tony Miller.
Somebody has to give TKo a break. Options: Tre, Kam, Stevie. In a perfect world, Tre figures it out, shows he is ready, and alleviates everyone's anxiety about PG play in 24-25. That isn't what happened yesterday. I think Kam and Stevie are perfectly capable of running the offense for 4 minutes a half.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 21, 2024, 11:10:14 AM
No question about what you wrote. Justs saying the value of the UCLA game when the Selection Committee sizes up Marquette will be based upon UCLA's entire season. At the time we played them, they were a high level team. Now, they are 8-11.
They're not gonna penalize marquette for a win. They're gonna be sizing up Marquette based on Marquettes total season, namely did they win a lot and who did they lose to.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 21, 2024, 11:10:14 AM
No question about what you wrote. Justs saying the value of the UCLA game when the Selection Committee sizes up Marquette will be based upon UCLA's entire season. At the time we played them, they were a high level team. Now, they are 8-11.
I get what you're saying. Just think the good outweighs the bad
Quote from: willie warrior on January 21, 2024, 11:18:37 AM
Thats it Meathead. When the facts arent your way, resort to name calling, Rosie. And sseaking of morons you are first in line. Great to know that I still and always live rent free in your seedless melon.
Seems relevant to Willie's comments. Some may be interested in the first reply to the screen shot
https://www.instagram.com/p/C2XsvqNOEfN/?igsh=azFpamh3dGtyYnUy (https://www.instagram.com/p/C2XsvqNOEfN/?igsh=azFpamh3dGtyYnUy)
Quote from: willie warrior on January 21, 2024, 11:18:37 AM
Thats it Meathead. When the facts arent your way, resort to name calling, Rosie. And sseaking of morons you are first in line. Great to know that I still and always live rent free in your seedless melon.
He is a defensive stud. You're just a moron. You called him dung. Shaka called him a leader and one of the keys to the team.
Obviously, you're correct
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2024, 12:34:38 PM
He is a defensive stud. You're just a moron. You called him dung. Shaka called him a leader and one of the keys to the team.
Obviously, you're correct
What does Shaka-Dukiet-Nagle know, anyway?
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2024, 12:42:43 PM
What does Shaka-Dukiet-Nagle know, anyway?
Not as much as Willie. Willie said the season was over yesterday. Surprised anyone is still posting about this year. Time to move on to 24-25.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2024, 12:44:56 PM
Not as much as Willie. Willie said the season was over yesterday. Surprised anyone is still posting about this year. Time to move on to 24-25.
I don't know if wampum's musings make me happy I never go on the game threads or make me start thinking I should check out game threads just for the comic relief.
Stay away from the game chat or you will be go nuts. There is no positivity or humor to be found there.
Quote from: patso on January 21, 2024, 01:25:20 PM
Stay away from the game chat or you will be go nuts. There is no positivity or humor to be found there.
Yeah, not much chance I'll go there. I frankly don't know how folks who are really into a game can spend time on that thread. I have enough trouble uni-tasking.
Quote from: patso on January 21, 2024, 01:25:20 PM
Stay away from the game chat or you will be go nuts. There is no positivity or humor to be found there.
Oh, there's plenty of humor. It's just unintentional.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 21, 2024, 01:29:35 PM
Oh, there's plenty of humor. It's just unintentional.
Like small children. They are really funny often when they least intend to be funny.
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2024, 01:26:54 PM
Yeah, not much chance I'll go there. I frankly don't know how folks who are really into a game can spend time on that thread. I have enough trouble uni-tasking.
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It seemed to me there was a great deal of off ball contact that sent MU players flying to the ground and no whistles. Almost like an increased level of physical contact is being tolerated as the season progresses.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 22, 2024, 07:10:05 PM
It seemed to me there was a great deal of off ball contact that sent MU players flying to the ground and no whistles. Almost like an increased level of physical contact is being tolerated as the season progresses.
The Big East finesse offenses (Marquette and Creighton) are allowed to be fouled without calls while the bully ball offenses are rewarded. PC has the highest offensive free throw rate (32.0%) in conference play while MU is last (21.6%), for example. This is not new.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 22, 2024, 07:28:27 PM
The Big East finesse offenses (Marquette and Creighton) are allowed to be fouled without calls while the bully ball offenses are rewarded. PC has the highest offensive free throw rate (32.0%) in conference play while MU is last (21.6%), for example. This is not new.
What irritates me more is that we spend a lot of time in the paint. We have watched games where we have 50+ paint points and other team has half that yet we have considerable more fouls called. Some if it is our pressure D, but does not explain all of the discrepancy.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 23, 2024, 09:55:19 PM
What irritates me more is that we spend a lot of time in the paint. We have watched games where we have 50+ paint points and other team has half that yet we have considerable more fouls called. Some if it is our pressure D, but does not explain all of the discrepancy.
Because our D tends to use hands a lot, that gets called more than bodies being used, BE....
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 23, 2024, 09:55:19 PM
What irritates me more is that we spend a lot of time in the paint. We have watched games where we have 50+ paint points and other team has half that yet we have considerable more fouls called. Some if it is our pressure D, but does not explain all of the discrepancy.
Actually MUs defensive ft rate is in the lower third. UCONN's defensive FTR is north of 40% as they protect the rim at all costs (and can with their size and physicality).
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 24, 2024, 10:01:26 AM
Actually MUs defensive ft rate is in the lower third. UCONN's defensive FTR is north of 40% as they protect the rim at all costs (and can with their size and physicality).
Better than lower third, 54th best in the country (85th percentile). We're very good at defending without fouling.
But we're 324th in offensive FTR (10th percnetile). It is impressive with how much we score in the paint but it's misleading. Us scoring in the paint so often is due to our efficiency there (14th in 2P%) rather than our attempts (298th in 2PA/FGA). We shoot a lot of threes and a lot of the twos we get are wide open with no contact
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 24, 2024, 11:46:07 AM
Better than lower third, 54th best in the country (85th percentile). We're very good at defending without fouling.
But we're 324th in offensive FTR (10th percnetile). It is impressive with how much we score in the paint but it's misleading. Us scoring in the paint so often is due to our efficiency there (14th in 2P%) rather than our attempts (298th in 2PA/FGA). We shoot a lot of threes and a lot of the twos we get are wide open with no contact
I bet MU is dead last on midrange shots, suxs!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 24, 2024, 11:46:07 AM
Better than lower third, 54th best in the country (85th percentile). We're very good at defending without fouling.
But we're 324th in offensive FTR (10th percnetile). It is impressive with how much we score in the paint but it's misleading. Us scoring in the paint so often is due to our efficiency there (14th in 2P%) rather than our attempts (298th in 2PA/FGA). We shoot a lot of threes and a lot of the twos we get are wide open with no contact
The topic is Big East officials. MU has the fourth lowest defensive FTR but lowest offensive FTR (now) in conference. Kolek and Kam get bodied hard on the dribble drives without calls, more so this year without Omax. The rest I agree with.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 24, 2024, 11:56:01 AM
The topic is Big East officials. MU has the fourth lowest defensive FTR but lowest offensive FTR (now) in conference. Kolek and Kam get bodied hard on the dribble drives without calls, more so this year without Omax. The rest I agree with.
I said in game threat I think TK gets screwed 1-2 times a game by the refs on clear bumps that should be 2 free throws instead of a missed lay up. But thats about it.
Kam is great in the paint but hes all finesse and usually stepping around guys. Hes even noted it being a problem through his career.
TK occaisionally is really the only time we ever get the shaft on calls on offense. We just dont draw contact.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2024, 12:23:16 PM
I said in game threat I think TK gets screwed 1-2 times a game by the refs on clear bumps that should be 2 free throws instead of a missed lay up. But thats about it.
Kam is great in the paint but hes all finesse and usually stepping around guys. Hes even noted it being a problem through his career.
TK occaisionally is really the only time we ever get the shaft on calls on offense. We just dont draw contact.
This is true. Providence and Seton Hall play bully ball and hunt contact. We (in general) look to avoid it.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2024, 12:23:16 PM
I said in game threat I think TK gets screwed 1-2 times a game by the refs on clear bumps that should be 2 free throws instead of a missed lay up. But thats about it.
Kam is great in the paint but hes all finesse and usually stepping around guys. Hes even noted it being a problem through his career.
TK occaisionally is really the only time we ever get the shaft on calls on offense. We just dont draw contact.
Tyler's FTR in conference is down from 37 to 27. No AA Jordan Rules treatment from Driscoll and his Merrie Men.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 24, 2024, 11:50:13 AM
I bet MU is dead last on midrange shots, suxs!
Don't worry Newsie, about halfway through the national championship game Shaka will say "now" and the mid range shots will fly. The opponent won't know why to do. Just like Rocky.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 24, 2024, 01:29:38 PM
Don't worry Newsie, about halfway through the national championship game Shaka will say "now" and the mid range shots will fly. The opponent won't know why to do. Just like Rocky.
Yeah effin surprise the opponent