Here in Southern Connecticut the smell of smoke is awful and the sky has looked apocalyptic all day. I can't imagine what it looks and smells like for those closer to the fires.
Anyone else experiencing today?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 06, 2023, 05:36:43 PM
Here in Southern Connecticut the smell of smoke is awful and the sky has looked apocalyptic all day. I can't imagine what it looks and smells like for those closer to the fires.
Anyone else experiencing today?
Been like that in Wisconsin for a few weeks
Yeah, a few weeks ago (?) we had an especially bad couple of days in the Twin Cities
We should invade
Difficult to tell the difference between foreign and domestic forest fires here in Michigan. It appears the golf resorts in the Grayling area were spared this time.
Now that it is in the east coast, it will be the worst smoke ever.
And the bad drought hasn't even hit yet.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 06, 2023, 05:54:59 PM
Now that it in the east coast, it will be the worst smoke ever.
These are from Quebec and Nova Scotia. The smoke usually goes west to east but counter clockwise winds from a low pressure system are pulling south. In 53 years, I've never seen period, neither does anyone else recall.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 06, 2023, 05:54:59 PM
Now that it in the east coast, it will be the worst smoke ever.
Well played.
https://twitter.com/talkinyanks/status/1666211243617574945?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 06, 2023, 05:54:59 PM
Now that it in the east coast, it will be the worst smoke ever.
Only if it makes its way to Mar A Lago
I blame the manatees
Quote from: Jables1604 on June 06, 2023, 09:04:10 PM
Only if it makes its way to Mar A Lago
Not well played.
Quote from: Jables1604 on June 06, 2023, 09:04:10 PM
Only if it makes its way to Mar A Lago
Ain't gonna happen.
I live 80 miles north of Palm Beach and it's as clear as can be here. No smoke.
Our smoke comes from the Everglades in dry years, which it has not been as of late here.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 06, 2023, 05:54:59 PM
Now that it is in the east coast, it will be the worst smoke ever.
Chili is right again.
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 07, 2023, 12:39:37 PM
Ain't gonna happen.
I live 80 miles north of Palm Beach and it's as clear as can be here. No smoke.
Our smoke comes from the Everglades in dry years, which it has not been as of late here.
Vero?
I drove from Philly to Harrisburg Monday night and back yesterday. Air was thick with smoke. At night you could smell it. Day not so much.
Sunset in Philly yesterday.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 06, 2023, 05:36:43 PM
Here in Southern Connecticut the smell of smoke is awful and the sky has looked apocalyptic all day. I can't imagine what it looks and smells like for those closer to the fires.
Anyone else experiencing today?
It seems just as bad or worse today. How long did it last in WI? I was in for '83 reunion over the weekend, and it was clear in Milwaukee by then.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 06, 2023, 09:43:47 PM
Not well played.
"Worst smoke ever.
Believe me.
Everybody says so..."
Quote from: Jables1604 on June 07, 2023, 02:00:48 PM
"Worst smoke ever.
Believe me.
Everybody says so..."
Yeah, still not funny.
You should ask nads for some help with your jokes.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/weather/new-york-air-pollution-canada-wildfires-climate-wednesday/index.html
View from the airport.
Quote from: pbiflyer on June 07, 2023, 01:17:50 PM
Vero?
I drove from Philly to Harrisburg Monday night and back yesterday. Air was thick with smoke. At night you could smell it. Day not so much.
Sunset in Philly yesterday.
That photo was yesterday and this morning's sunrise.
Per this afternoon's read. The smoke is expected to last weeks.
Canadian wildfire smoke in the midwest: "Hey when you live in the middle of nowhere, what do you expect?"
Canadian wildfire smoke in the east coast: "OH MY GOD!!!!"
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 07, 2023, 02:47:07 PM
That photo was yesterday and this morning's sunrise.
Per this afternoon's read. The smoke is expected to last weeks.
I think the ppm reading is lower than some emerging markets cities I've been to but the visibility is about as poor as I've experienced.
Curious if it blocked out the sun in the Midwest too? I've only experienced that in India before.
no worries, we're getting rid of gas stoves, furnaces and hussein ain't selling his ocean front properties
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 07, 2023, 03:03:40 PM
no worries, we're getting rid of gas stoves, furnaces and hussein ain't selling his ocean front properties
9 out of 10
Saved it with the mild Islamophobia
frenns
The pictures I have seen reminded me of southern China 10+ years ago. It is funny because I never paid much attention during the work week but whenever I got back to the hotel on Friday late afternoon, I always noticed the reddish brown sky. Even though we work on Saturdays in China, that Friday afternoon sky always reminded me to try and enjoy the weekend because I survived another work week.
Yankees-White Sox game postponed tonight due to smoke & air quality.
Quote from: Goose on June 07, 2023, 03:17:17 PM
frenns
The pictures I have seen reminded me of southern China 10+ years ago. It is funny because I never paid much attention during the work week but whenever I got back to the hotel on Friday late afternoon, I always noticed the reddish brown sky. Even though we work on Saturdays in China, that Friday afternoon sky always reminded me to try and enjoy the weekend because I survived another work week.
Goose,
This is actually what I was telling people.
I have photos from one of my business trips where you can see sun, and the consensus was "how did you get so lucky?"
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 07, 2023, 03:55:25 PM
Yankees-White Sox game postponed tonight due to smoke & air quality.
Tigers-Phillies, too.
Quote from: tower912 on June 07, 2023, 04:12:50 PM
Tigers-Phillies, too.
Maybe this will teach the Canadiens to sweep their forests
Maybe we should going back to wearing masks.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 07, 2023, 04:52:10 PM
Maybe we should going back to wearing masks.
There was a modest amount of people wearing masks in NYC today.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/07/heres-when-you-can-expect-the-severe-wildfire-smoke-to-subside/
Here's the future: https://www.axios.com/2023/06/06/climate-change-homeowners-insurance-state-farm-california-florida
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 07, 2023, 02:06:27 PM
Yeah, still not funny.
You should ask nads for some help with your jokes.
From a guy who's idea of funny/clever is repeatedly posting pig emojis? Somehow I think I'll get over it.
MU Fan
Not sure when you started traveling to China, but over the past 10+ years the air improved greatly, especially in industrial areas. It was insane 20 years ago and seeing the sun was a rare treat in the 1990's and the 2000's. The view on NYC looks very similar.
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 07, 2023, 05:46:05 PM
Here's the future: https://www.axios.com/2023/06/06/climate-change-homeowners-insurance-state-farm-california-florida
Our homeowners and flood insurance is running at about $10,000 premium with a 2 percent wind deductible
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2023, 04:49:55 PM
Maybe this will teach the Canadiens to sweep their forests
They can't sweep their playoff opponents, so they might as well sweep their forests, eh?
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 07, 2023, 05:46:05 PM
Here's the future: https://www.axios.com/2023/06/06/climate-change-homeowners-insurance-state-farm-california-florida
Allstate is no longer writing new homeowner policies for California.
Can we say "Canadian" forest fires?
Quote from: Goose on June 07, 2023, 06:29:43 PM
MU Fan
Not sure when you started traveling to China, but over the past 10+ years the air improved greatly, especially in industrial areas. It was insane 20 years ago and seeing the sun was a rare treat in the 1990's and the 2000's. The view on NYC looks very similar.
Goose, Twice in 2006 and a trip in 2009. I'm planning one now for 2023. My sister plant in Guangdong Province is helping me to plan.
When I have dates, I may message you since I assume a ton has changed in 15 years.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on June 07, 2023, 04:55:09 PM
There was a modest amount of people wearing masks in NYC today.
I noticed several with masks in various stops this afternoon in Connecticut.
Quote from: Goose on June 07, 2023, 03:17:17 PM
frenns
The pictures I have seen reminded me of southern China 10+ years ago. It is funny because I never paid much attention during the work week but whenever I got back to the hotel on Friday late afternoon, I always noticed the reddish brown sky. Even though we work on Saturdays in China, that Friday afternoon sky always reminded me to try and enjoy the weekend because I survived another work week.
I can remember seeing the NYC skyline perhaps not this bad but bad enough in the mid to late 60s approaching Newark airport during Christmas and Summer breaks. Only the Indian Point 1 Nuclear power plant was operational in the 60s so reliance on High sulfur coal plants were the norm. The plants 2 and 3 did not go online until the mid 70s. The skyline would get smog from time to time but the orange haze from the sulfur was completely gone as some of the coal plants were replaced with natural gas. Today it is all natural gas as Indian Point was shut down in 2021.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 07, 2023, 07:18:54 PM
Can we say "Canadian" forest fires?
As a Canadian American, can I be offended by this?
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 07, 2023, 08:52:02 PM
As a Canadian American, [I'm sorry, but] can I [please] be offended by this[, eh]?
FIFY
Quote from: Jables1604 on June 07, 2023, 06:27:52 PM
From a guy who's idea of funny/clever is repeatedly posting pig emojis? Somehow I think I'll get over it.
Just take the L, bruv.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 07, 2023, 09:43:46 PM
Just take the L, bruv.
Sounds like somebody is a little cranky that TFG is about the be indicted...again...
Quote from: tower912 on June 07, 2023, 07:06:11 PM
Allstate is no longer writing new homeowner policies for California.
Will they have to change their name?
as it appears as though edmonton has the bulk of the fires, i have not seen any evidence of the fires in SE wisconsin. this morning is clear as ever. i did not take notice of the sunset last night however.
the upper atmosphere weather/jet stream must be taking the smoke more east then south
waiting for the class actions to start up. surprised there haven't been any commercials yet...if you have experienced_______ better call saul eyn'a?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 08, 2023, 05:20:24 AM
as it appears as though edmonton has the bulk of the fires, i have not seen any evidence of the fires in SE wisconsin. this morning is clear as ever. i did not take notice of the sunset last night however.
the upper atmosphere weather/jet stream must be taking the smoke more east then south
waiting for the class actions to start up. surprised there haven't been any commercials yet...if you have experienced_______ better call saul eyn'a?
I think a lot of the fires impacting the Atlantic seaboard are in eastern Canada.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 08, 2023, 06:51:11 AM
I think a lot of the fires impacting the Atlantic seaboard are in eastern Canada.
Wisconsin had to deal with Canadian fires in Mid-May and a week ago. We had air advisories this past weekend
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 07, 2023, 08:52:02 PM
As a Canadian American, can I be offended by this?
Would I be considered an American Canadian if I lived in Canada?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 08, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
Would I be considered an American Canadian if I lived in Canada?
No, you'd be a liberal. Wait. They're still here.
Finally found a use for all of those unused COVID masks.
.25 mile visibility this morning in parts of upper Midwest.
Probably doesn't count. 😂
Quote from: pbiflyer on June 07, 2023, 01:17:50 PM
Vero?
Absolutely. Indian River Shores to be precise.
Lovely part of Florida.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on June 08, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
Would I be considered an American Canadian if I lived in Canada?
But I am a Canadian American! My maternal grandfather was born in Ontario and "slipped" across the border in the 1910s.
Almost deported in the 1950s. It took a private bill sponsored by Rep. Alvin O'Konski, R-WI, to get him "naturalized".
Not good in the 'onsin right now
Nor on this side of the pond.
Crazy hazy out the office window
Quote from: jficke13 on June 27, 2023, 11:26:04 AM
Crazy hazy out the office window
When it happened in May, it was noticeable, but this is a different animal. Idiot Canucks need to learn how to sweep their forests
..
Hopefully everyone kept their masks from COVID.
I've gotten pics from the Chi area that are insane. I hope everyone living in Wisco and the Midwest are managing okay.
Golfing today was exactly like playing in a pea soup fog. Frequently, my son and I would lose sight of the ball at about the 180 yard mark. Par 3's that we would just aim where we remembered the center of the green to be. Other times, we could see normal distances, but there was still a brown haze.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 27, 2023, 02:10:29 PM
I've gotten pics from the Chi area that are insane. I hope everyone living in Wisco and the Midwest are managing okay.
Same here. I hope all in the Midwest manage OK. Seriously, wear your N95. I was hacking for a couple days after it blew out.
3-4 weeks ago when it was happening in the Northeast and the Scoop Midwesterners were saying "you're crying too much out east"............ I'm looking at the air quality index in Chicago & Milwaukee and as bad as the air quality is today, it was still even worse here for those 3 days.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 27, 2023, 02:00:57 PM
Hopefully everyone kept their masks from COVID.
maybe BLM can use some of their money to buy more masks for everyone in the inner cities...oh, wait, they spent it all on mansions, parties, drugs, "consulting" fees and surprisingly the money is drying up
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 27, 2023, 06:42:22 PM
maybe BLM can use some of their money to buy more masks for everyone in the inner cities...oh, wait, they spent it all on mansions, parties, drugs, "consulting" fees and surprisingly the money is drying up
8.5 out of 10
Managed to bring Hunter up in a thread last night and BLM in this thread.
Chef's kisses
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 27, 2023, 06:59:56 PM
8.5 out of 10
Managed to bring Hunter up in a thread last night and BLM in this thread.
Chef's kisses
very observant or stalking of you
and kari lake was brought up because...?
doggy slobber back atcha
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 27, 2023, 07:57:00 PM
very observant or stalking of you
and kari lake was brought up because...?
doggy slobber back atcha
7.5 out of 10
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 27, 2023, 07:57:00 PM
very observant or stalking of you
and kari lake was brought up because...?
doggy slobber back atcha
Yes. You are the king of staying on topic. Just look at your Black Lives Matter rant in the forest fire topic.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 27, 2023, 07:57:00 PM
very observant or stalking of you
and kari lake was brought up because...?
doggy slobber back atcha
I think you mean the new leader of the Wagner Group.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 07, 2023, 06:44:17 PM
Our homeowners and flood insurance is running at about $10,000 premium with a 2 percent wind deductible
Brother Herm:
Welcome to Florida!
What we don't pay in taxes, we pay in insurance premiums!
I bought an air quality monitor back in January for $20 on Amazon .. used it for a week but got bored with it .. our air was good.
Fired it up last night with our windows open .. PM2.5 was 300, PM10 was 450. OUCH. Danger, Will Robinson.
Closed the house up, turned on the furnace fan plus an additional air purifier and this morning it was 60/90.
Fun gadget.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/f1/0a/cEdl0z1L_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/cEdl0z1L)
I'm confident that the taverns I frequented before the indoor smoking ban was implemented were smokier than this current bout of haze.
More of the pussification of America. Fookin' man up and carry on, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2023, 08:01:02 AM
More of the pussification of America. Fookin' man up and carry on, hey?
The Marquette crime report guy says what?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 28, 2023, 08:26:15 AM
The Marquette crime report guy says what?
Lol, that's quality stuff.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2023, 08:01:02 AM
More of the pussification of America. Fookin' man up and carry on, hey?
Ah, yes. Get outside and fill your lungs with dirty air. Get kids back in the coal mines, too.
Is this one of the posts about listening to scoop posters or listening to experts?
I'll hang up and listen
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2023, 08:01:02 AM
More of the pussification of America. Fookin' man up and carry on, hey?
Metaphorical hat tip for some quality trolling. Because nobody is that dumb.
Sir
There is no doubt that certain bars back in the day were worse than what we are experiencing with the forest fires. The old Knotty Pine was in the basement and prime example of back in the day. Sue the bartender led by example and was never without a lit cig. Those were the days!!
Quote from: tower912 on June 28, 2023, 09:32:32 AM
Metaphorical hat tip for some quality trolling. Because nobody is that dumb.
Sadly, the dentists have gone to great lengths to prove you wrong.
I am still landing on trolling in this case.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 09:40:49 AM
Sir
There is no doubt that certain bars back in the day were worse than what we are experiencing with the forest fires. The old Knotty Pine was in the basement and prime example of back in the day. Sue the bartender led by example and was never without a lit cig. Those were the days!!
The Knotty Pine Tap: a basement with 60 layers of smoke on the gnarly pine wood walls, 60-cent tap beers, plenty of regulars, and a stash of candy and peanuts behind the bar. I can't walk into the Outpost without imagining a whiff of spilt beer and stale cigarettes.
I'm blamin' the fires on global warming. Bound ta happen. Let's all sit home on our fat asses and collect government stipends. Extend dis another couple yeers and da '24 election is in da bag. Did't y'all get your forest fire vaccination yet, hey?
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 09:40:49 AM
Sir
There is no doubt that certain bars back in the day were worse than what we are experiencing with the forest fires. The old Knotty Pine was in the basement and prime example of back in the day. Sue the bartender led by example and was never without a lit cig. Those were the days!!
Back in the day ,when they allowed cigarette smoking , the galley area on the American Airlines evening flights from JFK to LAX became a smoke filled night club of sorts. Would happen after the meal service was completed.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2023, 09:55:35 AM
I'm blamin' the fires on global warming. Bound ta happen. Let's all sit home on our fat asses and collect government stipends. Extend dis another couple yeers and da '24 election is in da bag. Did't y'all get your forest fire vaccination yet, hey?
Yes, this is great art
See? Quality trolling. Committing to a bit. Mocking what he views as mockable.
To combine this with another recently bumped thread. Drove my daughter to daycare this morning. There's a tennis court on the property (daycare share space with a school) and there are about a dozen or so greybeards running around huffing and puffing playing pickleball in the middle of the air quality alert. Hoping they all make it home okay.
Sir
Perfect description of one of my all time favorite places. I had the honor of serving the last round of drinks in their lengthy history. Not sure if you knew this, but my Uncle owned the bar prior to the Butterfield family.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 28, 2023, 07:22:39 AM
(https://images2.imgbox.com/f1/0a/cEdl0z1L_o.jpg) (https://imgbox.com/cEdl0z1L)
2 out of 10
Lack of creativity.
Agreed. But the pig emojis that inspire it also lack creativity.
On da contrare, hey?
I like the ziggy piggy reference as it takes me back to the halcyon days of the late 80s when, in a cheesy movie, our forefathers told us to be excellent to each other and to party on, dude.
I think the pig emojis is some of Ziggy's best work and it always puts a smile on my face.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 10:56:40 AM
I think the pig emojis is some of Ziggy's best work and it always puts a smile on my face.
I agree it's Ziggy's best work.
Quote from: tower912 on June 28, 2023, 10:17:48 AM
See? Quality trolling. Committing to a bit. Mocking what he views as mockable.
People sitting around on their fat assess...3.7% unemployment rate.
Pussification of America...terrified of cities.
Vaccines change your DNA..."healthcare professional".
Nope, not trolling, just senile/stupid.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 10:56:40 AM
I think the pig emojis is some of Ziggy's best work
We agree.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 28, 2023, 10:30:35 AM
2 out of 10
Lack of creativity.
It's Hypocrit Man, riding to ziggy piggy's rescue!
I await your next "exotic animals are delicious" joke.
Smith
I have two talked to two business owners over the past two days and they both said they are tired of paying laying people that sit on their asses at work. One guy owns several popular fast food chain and he stated the quality of work from half of his staff is a joke. I would not confuse someone getting a paycheck as being ambitious in US at the moment.
The other friend supplies many products to restaurants and he said his customers have told him that poor workers have hurt their business more than high costs. It is one thing to pay more for a night out, but couple that with poor service and it makes for a hard sell.
Low unemployment number only tells part of the story. Good news, those lazy workers will be replaced by AI in short order.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 28, 2023, 11:12:51 AM
It's Hypocrit Man, riding to ziggy piggy's rescue!
I await your next "exotic animals are delicious" joke.
🐷🐷
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 10:56:40 AM
I think the pig emojis is some of Ziggy's best work and it always puts a smile on my face.
They're lame, boring, and unoriginal, but they are unquestionably Ziggy's best work.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 11:15:27 AM
Smith
I have two talked to two business owners over the past two days and they both said they are tired of paying laying people that sit on their asses at work. One guy owns several popular fast food chain and he stated the quality of work from half of his staff is a joke. I would not confuse someone getting a paycheck as being ambitious in US at the moment.
The other friend supplies many products to restaurants and he said his customers have told him that poor workers have hurt their business more than high costs. It is one thing to pay more for a night out, but couple that with poor service and it makes for a hard sell.
Low unemployment number only tells part of the story. Good news, those lazy workers will be replaced by AI in short order.
No it tells the whole story. Low paying restaurant jobs are always going to attract the tail end of the workforce. The fact that half their staff is terrible at their job means the economy is going great.
the funniest thing is 2 oink doesn't get it
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 11:15:27 AM
Smith
I have two talked to two business owners over the past two days and they both said they are tired of paying laying people that sit on their asses at work. One guy owns several popular fast food chain and he stated the quality of work from half of his staff is a joke. I would not confuse someone getting a paycheck as being ambitious in US at the moment.
The other friend supplies many products to restaurants and he said his customers have told him that poor workers have hurt their business more than high costs. It is one thing to pay more for a night out, but couple that with poor service and it makes for a hard sell.
Low unemployment number only tells part of the story. Good news, those lazy workers will be replaced by AI in short order.
You don't say?
A Brief History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymorehttps://twitter.com/paulisci/status/1549527748950892544
Bloomberg
@business
Maybe it's that people don't want to work -- for what employers are offering'No One Wants to Work Anymore' Is a Complaint as Old as Work Itselfhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-10/no-one-wants-to-work-anymore-meme-shows-complaint-is-as-old-as-work-itself?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=business&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic
Sultan
I will trust the opinion of those that employ poor workers over your POV. In addition, I will take their thoughts on the economy as well. This isn't the first time that there has been low unemployment with the "tail end" of the workforce being active, but according to my friend this is the work staff he has ever had in 20+ years.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 11:44:34 AM
Sultan
I will trust the opinion of those that employ poor workers over your POV. In addition, I will take their thoughts on the economy as well. This isn't the first time that there has been low unemployment with the "tail end" of the workforce being active, but according to my friend this is the work staff he has ever had in 20+ years.
I never disputed their opinion about their workforce. And you know why this is the worst he has had in 20+ years? Wisconsin's unemployment rate is at a record low!
https://dwd.wisconsin.gov/press/2023/230518-april-state.htm
There has always been crappy employees in the workplace. The problem is now employers have no choice but to employ them because there is no one else available.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 28, 2023, 11:12:51 AM
It's Hypocrit Man, riding to ziggy piggy's rescue!
I await your next "exotic animals are delicious" joke.
Thanks!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 28, 2023, 11:50:22 AM
I never disputed their opinion about their workforce. And you know why this is the worst he has had in 20+ years? Wisconsin's unemployment rate is at a record low!
https://dwd.wisconsin.gov/press/2023/230518-april-state.htm
There has always been crappy employees in the workplace. The problem is now employers have no choice but to employ them because there is no one else available.
I think the stunning revelation here is that fast food restaurants, with their exorbitant salaries, perqs, environment, satisfying work, and path to success aren't attracting top-notch workers.
Smith
I am not sure why any person would take a job and not try to be as top-notch as possible. In my world you do not take a job and protest the pay by being a poor worker. But, it seems like you and others are Ok with that thought process.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 12:07:13 PM
Smith
I am not sure why any person would take a job and not try to be as top-notch as possible. In my world you do not take a job and protest the pay by being a poor worker. But, it seems like you and others are Ok with that thought process.
Damn kids, amiright?
Maybe you should read through the links in the post above.
Smith
Just to follow up on my last post, I have learned a lot from you and others on quality of work vs pay. I volunteer a good number of hours at a quite progressive homeless group and obviously do so for free. Since I am not getting paid, I am going to be a disgruntled, lazy fxck when it is my shifts.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 11:44:34 AM
Sultan
I will trust the opinion of those that employ poor workers over your POV. In addition, I will take their thoughts on the economy as well. This isn't the first time that there has been low unemployment with the "tail end" of the workforce being active, but according to my friend this is the work staff he has ever had in 20+ years.
If only management and ownership had some way of influencing the quality of the employees they hire, how well they're trained, and how they incentivize good performance and disincentivize bad performance.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 11:15:27 AM
Smith
I have two talked to two business owners over the past two days and they both said they are tired of paying laying people that sit on their asses at work. One guy owns several popular fast food chain and he stated the quality of work from half of his staff is a joke. I would not confuse someone getting a paycheck as being ambitious in US at the moment.
The other friend supplies many products to restaurants and he said his customers have told him that poor workers have hurt their business more than high costs. It is one thing to pay more for a night out, but couple that with poor service and it makes for a hard sell.
Low unemployment number only tells part of the story. Good news, those lazy workers will be replaced by AI in short order.
I have a mixed reaction to this. On one hand, if you take a paycheck from someone, you do your job to the best of your ability. You give your employer what you can and you do it consistently.
On the other, there has to be an end game, particularly at the low end of the work force. You have to feel appreciated by customers and by your owners/supervisors. If you do, they'll pay you for your hard work and effort. If you don't, too often people become lazy and complacent.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 12:14:45 PM
Smith
Just to follow up on my last post, I have learned a lot from you and others on quality of work vs pay. I volunteer a good number of hours at a quite progressive homeless group and obviously do so for free. Since I am not getting paid, I am going to be a disgruntled, lazy fxck when it is my shifts.
Can't acknowledge that "lazy workers" is a complaint as old as time? Can't acknowledge that top quality workers aren't likely to be found at fast food restaurants?
Why, just toss out a strawman that I must support workers being lazy. Solved! Then compare a volunteer job to a fast food worker. LOL.
How 'bout them fires up in Canada, eh?
Quote from: Pakuni on June 28, 2023, 12:17:05 PM
If only management and ownership had some way of influencing the quality of the employees they hire, how well they're trained, and how they incentivize good performance and disincentivize bad performance.
As someone who has hired a number of low paid (sub $15 an hour) employees domestically and abroad, Ive seen the HUGE range of outcomes with the same compensation and training.
Ive had people be terrible and unreliable and last less than a year, and then I have someone like my assembly lead who was very unskilled and low paid when he started but crushed it from day 1 and has nearly tripled his salary. Ive overpaid people in India due to the difficulty in finding reliable staff only to see them get bored and go to another semi-low paid, unskilled job after a few months (something that is not at all uncommon). On the other hand I have staff that started making a few hundred bucks a month and speaking no English and are now making more than double that and speak good enough English to carry on conversations with customers worldwide.
All have the same inputs and compensation, but with vastly different outcomes.
None of this is some "suck it up and pull yourself up by your bootstraps" boomer spiel. And I fully acknowledge some jobs are awful and I can't imagine dealing with rude customer BS for minimum wages.
But I struggle with "well greedy companies/owners should just pay them more" as the easy solution. I will fully own not having a perfect replacement solution, but experiencing it first hand, I find it very difficult to believe the lazy/careless/etc.. employee making $12/hr will suddenly show vast differences if they were making $16. $20? Maybe. But again, you're now taking nearly double budgeting gambles on a level of employee that has a spotty track record of not only performance, but consistency or retention.
Incentivize/disincentivize? Sure, something I strongly believe in for the former. But for others (maybe the restaurant industry as discussed) the latter is tricky cause its hard to find replacement staff/time to train etc...
I don't think you can simply just pay more and get better outcomes. But its the fast food industry. It's never been a great place to work, which is why historically its workforce has been made up largely of teen-agers and people who can't get a job anywhere else. And since there are so many jobs available, even those two populations have options.
Smith
No kidding there has always been lazy workers, but that does not mean this cannot be the worst crop ever. There has always been varying degrees of workers at fast food joints and I would never say that the whole crew ever sucked. There are plenty of fast food workers that I have appreciated for their effort, even if the execution was suspect. Trying and being nice is part of life and if you cannot do that you should not accept a job.
I seriously did not think your link needed to be acknowledged because it was not really a point one could argue. As I noted in my previous post, my friend has never once bitched to be his staff until this past conversation. Brought up it was difficult to hire folks in passing, but never said that his workers are hurting more than helping at the moment.
You can take it any way you chose to take it. My wife, who has never griped over service in nearly 40 years of knowing her, has complained multiple times over the past month or so. Will add that in those 40 years she has defended every worker that I have bitched about, regardless of the position of the job. For her to be complaining there is an issue in the work force, IMO.
IMO, if you eat anywhere but Chick-Fil-A or Culver's you're asking for bad service. Whatever it is that those two places do, others should mimic. They each recently moved into Topper's Kingdom and instantly became the best places for customer service. How is it that McD's, Subway, Toppers, Wing Stop, Cousins and even Arby's had terrible customer service but Chick-Fil-A & Culver's show up and they have engaged, willing employees? It has to go beyond just the compensation.
Quote from: The Lens on June 28, 2023, 12:56:19 PM
IMO, if you eat anywhere but Chick-Fil-A or Culver's you're asking for bad service. Whatever it is that those two places do, others should mimic. Two recently moved into Topper's Kingdom and instantly became the best places for custimer service. How is it that McD's, Subway, Toppers, Wing Stop, Cousins and even Arby's had terrible custimer service but Chick-Fil-A & Culver's show up and they have engaged, willing employees. It has to go beyond just the compensation.
Cattle prods which may have also started the Canadian fires.
The quality and the service have been outstanding at Tim Horton's.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 28, 2023, 12:50:15 PM
As someone who has hired a number of low paid (sub $15 an hour) employees domestically and abroad, Ive seen the HUGE range of outcomes with the same compensation and training.
Ive had people be terrible and unreliable and last less than a year, and then I have someone like my assembly lead who was very unskilled and low paid when he started but crushed it from day 1 and has nearly tripled his salary. Ive overpaid people in India due to the difficulty in finding reliable staff only to see them get bored and go to another semi-low paid, unskilled job after a few months (something that is not at all uncommon). On the other hand I have staff that started making a few hundred bucks a month and speaking no English and are now making more than double that and speak good enough English to carry on conversations with customers worldwide.
All have the same inputs and compensation, but with vastly different outcomes.
None of this is some "suck it up and pull yourself up by your bootstraps" boomer spiel. And I fully acknowledge some jobs are awful and I can't imagine dealing with rude customer BS for minimum wages.
But I struggle with "well greedy companies/owners should just pay them more" as the easy solution. I will fully own not having a perfect replacement solution, but experiencing it first hand, I find it very difficult to believe the lazy/careless/etc.. employee making $12/hr will suddenly show vast differences if they were making $16. $20? Maybe. But again, you're now taking nearly double budgeting gambles on a level of employee that has a spotty track record of not only performance, but consistency or retention.
Incentivize/disincentivize? Sure, something I strongly believe in for the former. But for others (maybe the restaurant industry as discussed) the latter is tricky cause its hard to find replacement staff/time to train etc...
I don't disagree with any of this, except:
A) The straw men (did I write anything about " greedy companies/owners?")
B) The notion that what you've written her would have been any more or less accurate 20 years ago or 40 years ago.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2023, 09:55:35 AM
I'm blamin' the fires on global warming. Bound ta happen. Let's all sit home on our fat asses and collect government stipends. Extend dis another couple yeers and da '24 election is in da bag. Did't y'all get your forest fire vaccination yet, hey?
Rocket could have babbled this comment any worse than you did
Shoulda lernt bye now, never let a good crisis go to waste, aina?
Love when people who have been around for like 0.03% of humankind claim times have never been worse. I hope I keep perspective when I get old and don't claim the generation who I shaped and who I left to clean up after my mess is messing up the world, is the worst at everything, and my generation was always way better, the best there ever was.
bias
I have not read the entire thread, but who is bashing the younger generations?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2023, 01:56:16 PM
Shoulda lernt bye now, never let a good crisis go to waste, aina?
Yes. They've locked us in our houses, took our guns, made us go to drag shows, speak Spanish and get rid of gas cars since yesterday.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 28, 2023, 01:17:37 PM
I don't disagree with any of this, except:
A) The straw men (did I write anything about " greedy companies/owners?")
B) The notion that what you've written her would have been any more or less accurate 20 years ago or 40 years ago.
I wasn't speaking to you personally on the first. Just an overall sentiment. That I'm sure was true 20-40 years ago as well, we just didn't have social media to splatter it everywhere.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 12:54:48 PM
Smith
No kidding there has always been lazy workers, but that does not mean this cannot be the worst crop ever. There has always been varying degrees of workers at fast food joints and I would never say that the whole crew ever sucked. There are plenty of fast food workers that I have appreciated for their effort, even if the execution was suspect. Trying and being nice is part of life and if you cannot do that you should not accept a job.
I certainly agree that like in any job, you are going to get a range of workers, and some will be much better than others and deserve the rewards that come with that effort and that skill. But on average, it isn't a job category that is going to attract skilled, motivated employees of course.
But as the evidence shows, this has been a complaint forever, it isn't something new. And the cries get loudest during periods of worker shortage and typically center around undesirable jobs like field workers, miners, unskilled and dangerous factory work, etc...like today.
But you brought up this line of argument in response to the drooling dentist's claim that people are lazy and just want to collect government handouts...which the 3.7% unemployment rate shows is yet another in the long list of unfounded grievances and resentments that fuel Fox viewers. (And set aside the fact that in the jobs we are talking about, a person can work full time and still might be eligible for SNAP, Medicaid, or and/or other government assistance).
Quote from: JWags85 on June 28, 2023, 12:50:15 PM
But I struggle with "well greedy companies/owners should just pay them more" as the easy solution. I will fully own not having a perfect replacement solution, but experiencing it first hand, I find it very difficult to believe the lazy/careless/etc.. employee making $12/hr will suddenly show vast differences if they were making $16. $20? Maybe. But again, you're now taking nearly double budgeting gambles on a level of employee that has a spotty track record of not only performance, but consistency or retention.
I don't think it's about crappy workers suddenly getting better with better compensation. I think it's about increasing the likelihood of attracting and retaining better workers with better compensation. Which theoretically allows you to terminate the crappy workers because you have less better workers leaving and have a pool of better workers applying to get hired.
Obviously with this low of unemployment rate, there aren't enough better workers to go around, so someone is going to get stuck with the crappy ones....unsurprisingly, it's mostly fast food joints.
Quote from: The Lens on June 28, 2023, 12:56:19 PM
IMO, if you eat anywhere but Chick-Fil-A or Culver's you're asking for bad service. Whatever it is that those two places do, others should mimic. They each recently moved into Topper's Kingdom and instantly became the best places for customer service. How is it that McD's, Subway, Toppers, Wing Stop, Cousins and even Arby's had terrible customer service but Chick-Fil-A & Culver's show up and they have engaged, willing employees? It has to go beyond just the compensation.
Honest question, do Chick-Fil-A and Culver's compensate their employees at the same rate? I honestly don't know. Are there other benefits to employment not provided by other places? From a customer's perspective, they clearly have more employees working every shift than any other fast food joint in the area. I would imagine having more people per shift leads to a better work environment. So maybe if it's not the rate they are hired at, it might be their willingness to pay for more labor to decrease the workload per person which in turn improves efficiency and the customer service experience.
You folks in Florida and Texas make sure you are up to date on your malaria vaccine.
While you are not worrying about the forest fires.
Quote from: tower912 on June 28, 2023, 03:37:16 PM
You folks in Florida and Texas make sure you are up to date on your malaria vaccine.
While you are not worrying about the forest fires.
Vaccines? I read on scoop not to take any, pal. And I believe the experts on scoop
True. Ivermectin actually treats malaria. So, never mind.
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 11:44:34 AM
Sultan
I will trust the opinion of those that employ poor workers over your POV. In addition, I will take their thoughts on the economy as well. This isn't the first time that there has been low unemployment with the "tail end" of the workforce being active, but according to my friend this is the work staff he has ever had in 20+ years.
Hello
Quote from: Goose on June 28, 2023, 12:07:13 PM
Smith
I am not sure why any person would take a job and not try to be as top-notch as possible. In my world you do not take a job and protest the pay by being a poor worker. But, it seems like you and others are Ok with that thought process.
Because people have to work to be paid and afford life. Doing the bare minimum isn't a new fad, it just gets renamed every decade or two so the opinion sections have something to talk about.
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 28, 2023, 01:03:53 PM
The quality and the service have been outstanding at Tim Horton's.
Not for a long time.
Guys, Putin is clearly losing the war in Iraq
Yes, but 68% of the American public are concerned with the Buffoon's age. What the fook is wrong with the other 32%, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2023, 06:41:14 PM
Yes, but 68% of the American public are concerned with the Buffoon's age. What the fook is wrong with the other 32%, hey?
And yet, he's been taking advantage of this wildfire and limiting your freedoms. It's incredible.
Anyway, looks like the air quality will improve this weekend.
Some scoopers:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ct4YndYOifz/?igshid=YzcxN2Q2NzY0OA==
Kids today, with their rock and their roll. It's the devil's music!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2023, 06:41:14 PM
Yes, but 68% of the American public are concerned with the Buffoon's age. What the fook is wrong with the other 32%, hey?
Part buffoon, part crime family mob boss.
It's a complicated legacy.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 28, 2023, 06:41:14 PM
Yes, but 68% of the American public are concerned with the Buffoon's age. What the fook is wrong with the other 32%, hey?
Maximum age for a President should probably be 70.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 29, 2023, 06:35:52 AM
Maximum age for a President should probably be 70.
And senator...and representative...
Ageist discrimination.
Quote from: tower912 on June 29, 2023, 07:30:04 AM
Ageist discrimination.
Which already exists in the Constitution.
It does. Why add to it?
Quote from: real chili 83 on June 28, 2023, 01:03:53 PM
The quality and the service have been outstanding at Tim Horton's.
Coffee YES!
Donuts YUCK!!!!!
it's not about age! it's about mental acuity. look at fetterman- the guy is lost
Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 29, 2023, 06:35:52 AM
Maximum age for a President should probably be 70.
Of course in our present situation both of these people would be atrocious if they were 35-70.
Interesting thread on the forest fires...