Canadian Forest Fires

[The Sultan]

I think the pig emojis is some of Ziggy's best work and it always puts a smile on my face.

I agree it's Ziggy's best work.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

See?  Quality trolling.  Committing to a bit.   Mocking what he views as mockable.

People sitting around on their fat assess...3.7% unemployment rate.
Pussification of America...terrified of cities.
Vaccines change your DNA..."healthcare professional".

Nope, not trolling, just senile/stupid.

[tower912]

I think the pig emojis is some of Ziggy's best work

We agree.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I agree it's Ziggy's best work.

Yup

[TSmith34, Inc.]

2 out of 10

Lack of creativity.

It's Hypocrit Man, riding to ziggy piggy's rescue!

I await your next "exotic animals are delicious" joke.

[Goose]

Smith

I have two talked to two business owners over the past two days and they both said they are tired of paying laying people that sit on their asses at work. One guy owns several popular fast food chain and he stated the quality of work from half of his staff is a joke. I would not confuse someone getting a paycheck as being ambitious in US at the moment.

The other friend supplies many products to restaurants and he said his customers have told him that poor workers have hurt their business more than high costs. It is one thing to pay more for a night out, but couple that with poor service and it makes for a hard sell.

Low unemployment number only tells part of the story. Good news, those lazy workers will be replaced by AI in short order.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

It's Hypocrit Man, riding to ziggy piggy's rescue!

I await your next "exotic animals are delicious" joke.

🐷🐷

[withoutbias]

I think the pig emojis is some of Ziggy's best work and it always puts a smile on my face.

They're lame, boring, and unoriginal, but they are unquestionably Ziggy's best work.

[The Sultan]

Smith

I have two talked to two business owners over the past two days and they both said they are tired of paying laying people that sit on their asses at work. One guy owns several popular fast food chain and he stated the quality of work from half of his staff is a joke. I would not confuse someone getting a paycheck as being ambitious in US at the moment.

The other friend supplies many products to restaurants and he said his customers have told him that poor workers have hurt their business more than high costs. It is one thing to pay more for a night out, but couple that with poor service and it makes for a hard sell.

Low unemployment number only tells part of the story. Good news, those lazy workers will be replaced by AI in short order.

No it tells the whole story. Low paying restaurant jobs are always going to attract the tail end of the workforce. The fact that half their staff is terrible at their job means the economy is going great.

[rocket surgeon]

the funniest thing is 2 oink doesn't get it

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Smith

I have two talked to two business owners over the past two days and they both said they are tired of paying laying people that sit on their asses at work. One guy owns several popular fast food chain and he stated the quality of work from half of his staff is a joke. I would not confuse someone getting a paycheck as being ambitious in US at the moment.

The other friend supplies many products to restaurants and he said his customers have told him that poor workers have hurt their business more than high costs. It is one thing to pay more for a night out, but couple that with poor service and it makes for a hard sell.

Low unemployment number only tells part of the story. Good news, those lazy workers will be replaced by AI in short order.

You don't say?

A Brief History of Nobody Wants to Work Anymore
https://twitter.com/paulisci/status/1549527748950892544


Bloomberg
@business
Maybe it's that people don't want to work -- for what employers are offering

'No One Wants to Work Anymore' Is a Complaint as Old as Work Itself
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-10/no-one-wants-to-work-anymore-meme-shows-complaint-is-as-old-as-work-itself?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=business&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic

[Goose]

Sultan

I will trust the opinion of those that employ poor workers over your POV. In addition, I will take their thoughts on the economy as well. This isn't the first time that there has been low unemployment with the "tail end" of the workforce being active, but according to my friend this is the work staff he has ever had in 20+ years.

[Uncle Rico]

the funniest thing is 2 oink doesn't get it

5 out of 10

[The Sultan]

Sultan

I will trust the opinion of those that employ poor workers over your POV. In addition, I will take their thoughts on the economy as well. This isn't the first time that there has been low unemployment with the "tail end" of the workforce being active, but according to my friend this is the work staff he has ever had in 20+ years.

I never disputed their opinion about their workforce. And you know why this is the worst he has had in 20+ years?  Wisconsin's unemployment rate is at a record low!

https://dwd.wisconsin.gov/press/2023/230518-april-state.htm

There has always been crappy employees in the workplace. The problem is now employers have no choice but to employ them because there is no one else available.

[real chili 83]

It's Hypocrit Man, riding to ziggy piggy's rescue!

I await your next "exotic animals are delicious" joke.

Thanks!

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I never disputed their opinion about their workforce. And you know why this is the worst he has had in 20+ years?  Wisconsin's unemployment rate is at a record low!

https://dwd.wisconsin.gov/press/2023/230518-april-state.htm

There has always been crappy employees in the workplace. The problem is now employers have no choice but to employ them because there is no one else available.

I think the stunning revelation here is that fast food restaurants, with their exorbitant salaries, perqs, environment, satisfying work, and path to success aren't attracting top-notch workers.

[Goose]

Smith

I am not sure why any person would take a job and not try to be as top-notch as possible. In my world you do not take a job and protest the pay by being a poor worker. But, it seems like you and others are Ok with that thought process.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Smith

I am not sure why any person would take a job and not try to be as top-notch as possible. In my world you do not take a job and protest the pay by being a poor worker. But, it seems like you and others are Ok with that thought process.

Damn kids, amiright?

Maybe you should read through the links in the post above.

[Goose]

Smith

Just to follow up on my last post, I have learned a lot from you and others on quality of work vs pay. I volunteer a good number of hours at a quite progressive homeless group and obviously do so for free. Since I am not getting paid, I am going to be a disgruntled, lazy fxck when it is my shifts.

[Pakuni]

Sultan

I will trust the opinion of those that employ poor workers over your POV. In addition, I will take their thoughts on the economy as well. This isn't the first time that there has been low unemployment with the "tail end" of the workforce being active, but according to my friend this is the work staff he has ever had in 20+ years.

If only management and ownership had some way of influencing the quality of the employees they hire, how well they're trained, and how they incentivize good performance and disincentivize bad performance.

[dgies9156]

Smith

I have two talked to two business owners over the past two days and they both said they are tired of paying laying people that sit on their asses at work. One guy owns several popular fast food chain and he stated the quality of work from half of his staff is a joke. I would not confuse someone getting a paycheck as being ambitious in US at the moment.

The other friend supplies many products to restaurants and he said his customers have told him that poor workers have hurt their business more than high costs. It is one thing to pay more for a night out, but couple that with poor service and it makes for a hard sell.

Low unemployment number only tells part of the story. Good news, those lazy workers will be replaced by AI in short order.

I have a mixed reaction to this. On one hand, if you take a paycheck from someone, you do your job to the best of your ability. You give your employer what you can and you do it consistently.

On the other, there has to be an end game, particularly at the low end of the work force. You have to feel appreciated by customers and by your owners/supervisors. If you do, they'll pay you for your hard work and effort. If you don't, too often people become lazy and complacent.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Smith

Just to follow up on my last post, I have learned a lot from you and others on quality of work vs pay. I volunteer a good number of hours at a quite progressive homeless group and obviously do so for free. Since I am not getting paid, I am going to be a disgruntled, lazy fxck when it is my shifts.

Can't acknowledge that "lazy workers" is a complaint as old as time? Can't acknowledge that top quality workers aren't likely to be found at fast food restaurants?

Why, just toss out a strawman that I must support workers being lazy. Solved! Then compare a volunteer job to a fast food worker. LOL.

[MU82]

How 'bout them fires up in Canada, eh?

[JWags85]

If only management and ownership had some way of influencing the quality of the employees they hire, how well they're trained, and how they incentivize good performance and disincentivize bad performance.

As someone who has hired a number of low paid (sub $15 an hour) employees domestically and abroad, Ive seen the HUGE range of outcomes with the same compensation and training. 

Ive had people be terrible and unreliable and last less than a year, and then I have someone like my assembly lead who was very unskilled and low paid when he started but crushed it from day 1 and has nearly tripled his salary.  Ive overpaid people in India due to the difficulty in finding reliable staff only to see them get bored and go to another semi-low paid, unskilled job after a few months (something that is not at all uncommon).  On the other hand I have staff that started making a few hundred bucks a month and speaking no English and are now making more than double that and speak good enough English to carry on conversations with customers worldwide.
All have the same inputs and compensation, but with vastly different outcomes.

None of this is some "suck it up and pull yourself up by your bootstraps" boomer spiel.  And I fully acknowledge some jobs are awful and I can't imagine dealing with rude customer BS for minimum wages.

But I struggle with "well greedy companies/owners should just pay them more" as the easy solution.  I will fully own not having a perfect replacement solution, but experiencing it first hand, I find it very difficult to believe the lazy/careless/etc.. employee making $12/hr will suddenly show vast differences if they were making $16.  $20?  Maybe.  But again, you're now taking nearly double budgeting gambles on a level of employee that has a spotty track record of not only performance, but consistency or retention.

Incentivize/disincentivize?  Sure, something I strongly believe in for the former.  But for others (maybe the restaurant industry as discussed) the latter is tricky cause its hard to find replacement staff/time to train etc...

[The Sultan]

I don't think you can simply just pay more and get better outcomes. But its the fast food industry. It's never been a great place to work, which is why historically its workforce has been made up largely of teen-agers and people who can't get a job anywhere else.  And since there are so many jobs available, even those two populations have options.