Canadian Forest Fires

[Goose]

Smith

No kidding there has always been lazy workers, but that does not mean this cannot be the worst crop ever. There has always been varying degrees of workers at fast food joints and I would never say that the whole crew ever sucked. There are plenty of fast food workers that I have appreciated for their effort, even if the execution was suspect. Trying and being nice is part of life and if you cannot do that you should not accept a job.

I seriously did not think your link needed to be acknowledged because it was not really a point one could argue. As I noted in my previous post, my friend has never once bitched to be his staff until this past conversation. Brought up it was difficult to hire folks in passing, but never said that his workers are hurting more than helping at the moment.

You can take it any way you chose to take it. My wife, who has never griped over service in nearly 40 years of knowing her, has complained multiple times over the past month or so. Will add that in those 40 years she has defended every worker that I have bitched about, regardless of the position of the job. For her to be complaining there is an issue in the work force, IMO.

[The Lens]

IMO, if you eat anywhere but Chick-Fil-A or Culver's you're asking for bad service.  Whatever it is that those two places do, others should mimic.  They each recently moved into Topper's Kingdom and instantly became the best places for customer service.  How is it that McD's, Subway, Toppers, Wing Stop, Cousins and even Arby's had terrible customer service but Chick-Fil-A & Culver's show up and they have engaged, willing employees?  It has to go beyond just the compensation.

[Uncle Rico]

IMO, if you eat anywhere but Chick-Fil-A or Culver's you're asking for bad service.  Whatever it is that those two places do, others should mimic.  Two recently moved into Topper's Kingdom and instantly became the best places for custimer service.  How is it that McD's, Subway, Toppers, Wing Stop, Cousins and even Arby's had terrible custimer service but Chick-Fil-A & Culver's show up and they have engaged, willing employees.  It has to go beyond just the compensation.

Cattle prods which may have also started the Canadian fires.

[real chili 83]

The quality and the service have been outstanding at Tim Horton's.

[Pakuni]

As someone who has hired a number of low paid (sub $15 an hour) employees domestically and abroad, Ive seen the HUGE range of outcomes with the same compensation and training. 

Ive had people be terrible and unreliable and last less than a year, and then I have someone like my assembly lead who was very unskilled and low paid when he started but crushed it from day 1 and has nearly tripled his salary.  Ive overpaid people in India due to the difficulty in finding reliable staff only to see them get bored and go to another semi-low paid, unskilled job after a few months (something that is not at all uncommon).  On the other hand I have staff that started making a few hundred bucks a month and speaking no English and are now making more than double that and speak good enough English to carry on conversations with customers worldwide.
All have the same inputs and compensation, but with vastly different outcomes.

None of this is some "suck it up and pull yourself up by your bootstraps" boomer spiel.  And I fully acknowledge some jobs are awful and I can't imagine dealing with rude customer BS for minimum wages.

But I struggle with "well greedy companies/owners should just pay them more" as the easy solution.  I will fully own not having a perfect replacement solution, but experiencing it first hand, I find it very difficult to believe the lazy/careless/etc.. employee making $12/hr will suddenly show vast differences if they were making $16.  $20?  Maybe.  But again, you're now taking nearly double budgeting gambles on a level of employee that has a spotty track record of not only performance, but consistency or retention.

Incentivize/disincentivize?  Sure, something I strongly believe in for the former.  But for others (maybe the restaurant industry as discussed) the latter is tricky cause its hard to find replacement staff/time to train etc...

I don't disagree with any of this, except:
A) The straw men (did I write anything about " greedy companies/owners?")
B) The notion that what you've written her would have been any more or less accurate 20 years ago or 40 years ago.

[Jockey]

I'm blamin' the fires on global warming. Bound ta happen. Let's all sit home on our fat asses and collect government stipends. Extend dis another couple yeers and da '24 election is in da bag. Did't y'all get your forest fire vaccination yet, hey?

Rocket could have babbled this comment any worse than you did

[4everwarriors]

Shoulda lernt bye now, never let a good crisis go to waste, aina?

[withoutbias]

Love when people who have been around for like 0.03% of humankind claim times have never been worse.  I hope I keep perspective when I get old and don't claim the generation who I shaped and who I left to clean up after my mess is messing up the world, is the worst at everything, and my generation was always way better, the best there ever was.

[Goose]

bias

I have not read the entire thread, but who is bashing the younger generations?

[Uncle Rico]

Shoulda lernt bye now, never let a good crisis go to waste, aina?

Yes.  They've locked us in our houses, took our guns, made us go to drag shows, speak Spanish and get rid of gas cars since yesterday.

[JWags85]

I don't disagree with any of this, except:
A) The straw men (did I write anything about " greedy companies/owners?")
B) The notion that what you've written her would have been any more or less accurate 20 years ago or 40 years ago.

I wasn't speaking to you personally on the first.  Just an overall sentiment.  That I'm sure was true 20-40 years ago as well, we just didn't have social media to splatter it everywhere. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Smith

No kidding there has always been lazy workers, but that does not mean this cannot be the worst crop ever. There has always been varying degrees of workers at fast food joints and I would never say that the whole crew ever sucked. There are plenty of fast food workers that I have appreciated for their effort, even if the execution was suspect. Trying and being nice is part of life and if you cannot do that you should not accept a job.

I certainly agree that like in any job, you are going to get a range of workers, and some will be much better than others and deserve the rewards that come with that effort and that skill. But on average, it isn't a job category that is going to attract skilled, motivated employees of course.

But as the evidence shows, this has been a complaint forever, it isn't something new. And the cries get loudest during periods of worker shortage and typically center around undesirable jobs like field workers, miners, unskilled and dangerous factory work, etc...like today.

But you brought up this line of argument in response to the drooling dentist's claim that people are lazy and just want to collect government handouts...which the 3.7% unemployment rate shows is yet another in the long list of unfounded grievances and resentments that fuel Fox viewers. (And set aside the fact that in the jobs we are talking about, a person can work full time and still might be eligible for SNAP, Medicaid, or and/or other government assistance).

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

But I struggle with "well greedy companies/owners should just pay them more" as the easy solution.  I will fully own not having a perfect replacement solution, but experiencing it first hand, I find it very difficult to believe the lazy/careless/etc.. employee making $12/hr will suddenly show vast differences if they were making $16.  $20?  Maybe.  But again, you're now taking nearly double budgeting gambles on a level of employee that has a spotty track record of not only performance, but consistency or retention.

I don't think it's about crappy workers suddenly getting better with better compensation. I think it's about increasing the likelihood of attracting and retaining better workers with better compensation. Which theoretically allows you to terminate the crappy workers because you have less better workers leaving and have a pool of better workers applying to get hired.

Obviously with this low of unemployment rate, there aren't enough better workers to go around, so someone is going to get stuck with the crappy ones....unsurprisingly, it's mostly fast food joints.

IMO, if you eat anywhere but Chick-Fil-A or Culver's you're asking for bad service.  Whatever it is that those two places do, others should mimic.  They each recently moved into Topper's Kingdom and instantly became the best places for customer service.  How is it that McD's, Subway, Toppers, Wing Stop, Cousins and even Arby's had terrible customer service but Chick-Fil-A & Culver's show up and they have engaged, willing employees?  It has to go beyond just the compensation.

Honest question, do Chick-Fil-A and Culver's compensate their employees at the same rate? I honestly don't know. Are there other benefits to employment not provided by other places? From a customer's perspective, they clearly have more employees working every shift than any other fast food joint in the area. I would imagine having more people per shift leads to a better work environment. So maybe if it's not the rate they are hired at, it might be their willingness to pay for more labor to decrease the workload per person which in turn improves efficiency and the customer service experience.

[tower912]

You folks in Florida and Texas make sure you are up to date on your malaria vaccine.

While you are not worrying about the forest fires.

[Uncle Rico]

You folks in Florida and Texas make sure you are up to date on your malaria vaccine.

While you are not worrying about the forest fires.

Vaccines?  I read on scoop not to take any, pal.  And I believe the experts on scoop

[tower912]

True.  Ivermectin actually treats malaria.  So, never mind.

[Hards Alumni]

Sultan

I will trust the opinion of those that employ poor workers over your POV. In addition, I will take their thoughts on the economy as well. This isn't the first time that there has been low unemployment with the "tail end" of the workforce being active, but according to my friend this is the work staff he has ever had in 20+ years.

Hello

[Hards Alumni]

Smith

I am not sure why any person would take a job and not try to be as top-notch as possible. In my world you do not take a job and protest the pay by being a poor worker. But, it seems like you and others are Ok with that thought process.

Because people have to work to be paid and afford life.  Doing the bare minimum isn't a new fad, it just gets renamed every decade or two so the opinion sections have something to talk about.

[Hards Alumni]

The quality and the service have been outstanding at Tim Horton's.

Not for a long time.

[Jay Bee]

Guys, Putin is clearly losing the war in Iraq

[4everwarriors]

Yes, but 68% of the American public are concerned with the Buffoon's age. What the fook is wrong with the other 32%, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Yes, but 68% of the American public are concerned with the Buffoon's age. What the fook is wrong with the other 32%, hey?

And yet, he's been taking advantage of this wildfire and limiting your freedoms.  It's incredible.

Anyway, looks like the air quality will improve this weekend. 

[Uncle Rico]

Some scoopers:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ct4YndYOifz/?igshid=YzcxN2Q2NzY0OA==

[MU82]

Kids today, with their rock and their roll. It's the devil's music!

[The Lens]

Yes, but 68% of the American public are concerned with the Buffoon's age. What the fook is wrong with the other 32%, hey?

Part buffoon, part crime family mob boss.

It's a complicated legacy.