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If true, pretty wild.
That Is insane if true. Hope things are truly OK on his end.
Not sure why, but made me laugh.
Maybe he can take Justin's spot next year after he heads to the NBA? 😂
In all seriousness I'm pulling for Dawson and hope things work out for him.
Kid battled his behind off down low in conference last season, he never quit.
Hope the tar heel fans don't destroy him too badly if it's true.
Two things: If true, I hope that the family issue resolves itself in a positive manner. Being 1000 miles away from stuff going wrong at home is rough. Good luck.
Second, and far, far less important is what will this do to his NIL? Unintended consequences.
Quote from: tower912 on January 27, 2022, 09:05:44 AM
Second, and far, far less important is what will this do to his NIL? Unintended consequences.
Just guessing that their are exit clauses in the contract? Pro-rated money?
Dude could be the first McDonald AA to work at McDonalds, aina?
Quote from: tower912 on January 27, 2022, 09:05:44 AM
Two things: If true, I hope that the family issue resolves itself in a positive manner. Being 1000 miles away from stuff going wrong at home is rough. Good luck.
Second, and far, far less important is what will this do to his NIL? Unintended consequences.
I actually thought about that as well. I really have no idea what agreements it will violate and potential losses
Jimmy's Famous Seafood saw a 30% decline in Wednesday night sales yesterday.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 27, 2022, 09:11:28 AM
Dude could be the first McDonald AA to work at McDonalds, aina?
I thought that was Brian Butch.
I saw that he was out for the Va Tech game last week due to "an illness in the family", and that he had headed back to MN. He was held out with a concussion earlier in Jan, then lost his starting job and played sparingly since coming back.
No matter the circumstances, you gotta hope he's alright.
Huge error in judgment to leave MU. That said, adios, hey?
Besides one Twitter account, there is no news of this anywhere else that I can find.
Hope his family emergency resolves itself in a positive manner.
I feel bad for the kid and wish him the best.
This is yet another cautionary tale in calling high school kids "program-changing recruits," or "sure things," or any of the other sky-high things that were said about Dawson. Stuff happens, and they are young men with families, personal lives, etc. I hope everything ends up being OK with his family, and that Dawson eventually can have the basketball career he wants.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 27, 2022, 09:20:22 AM
I thought that was Brian Butch.
Pay the man.
Really wish we could see the rest of the text chain. Starting "College sports is ruined..." I'm sure that had a ton of nuanced insight.
On the basketball side I wish him the best. Hope everything works out in the end. Shaka is a big man's dream coach. I'm sure he sees where Justin is and is second guessing his decision to leave.
Most importantly I hope that he and his family get through whatever they are going through.
Haven't seen any actual confirmation this is true. It does look like he'll be missing another game due to family issues, but nothing official regarding him leaving the program. The username isn't exactly one that screams "reliable CBB source." Not saying it couldn't be true, but entirely possible this isn't on the level.
Is this genuinely a "family emergency." Or is this a family emergency to be granted a waiver next year at Minnesota?
Here's a question. If Lewis goes pro would you want Shaka to try to re recruit Dawson?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 10:15:45 AM
Here's a question. If Lewis goes pro would you want Shaka to try to re recruit Dawson?
Nah, has that ever happened in the history of college basketball?
"Quitters" are troubled losers.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 10:15:45 AM
Here's a question. If Lewis goes pro would you want Shaka to try to re recruit Dawson?
I would want Shaka to make that decision. Garcia is certainly a talented offensive player and rebounder. But considering this UNC team's tendency to forget about defense and Garcia's history of cutting his teeth in Wojo's system, his scoring might not be enough to get him to fit into the Violence defense. His name also frequently comes up when UNC's defensive effort is questioned. But if the staff thinks he could do it, I think they've already earned the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 27, 2022, 10:17:35 AM
Nah, has that ever happened in the history of college basketball?
Tyler Harris went back to Memphis because the Iowa St coach was fired.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 27, 2022, 10:05:24 AM
Haven't seen any actual confirmation this is true. It does look like he'll be missing another game due to family issues, but nothing official regarding him leaving the program. The username isn't exactly one that screams "reliable CBB source." Not saying it couldn't be true, but entirely possible this isn't on the level.
I thinkt he validity of this specific tweet and the actual details is very up in the air.
Him being done at UNC was being floated out a lot over the last 24-28 hours though well prior to this tweet.
IMO, DG is not the player that Shaka is looking for. Sub par on defense, plays below the rim, not that athletic.
I expect Osa, Keenan, and a transfer to man the 4-5 next year.
Funny how we have moved from someone on Twitter posting about DG.....to will he play for MU next year. Ha
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 27, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
IMO, DG is not the player that Shaka is looking for. Sub par on defense, plays below the rim, not that athletic.
I expect Osa, Keenan, and a transfer to man the 4-5 next year.
Funny how we have moved from someone on Twitter posting about DG.....to will he play for MU next year. Ha
I agree but he recruited him out of HS.
I was just tossing the idea out as would you want Shaka to, not "will he"
I'd be open to having him back. But I think expectations would need to be laid out. And I get the sneaking suspicion he wouldn't like those expectations.
He'll be a solid player for JB's Golden Gophers next year.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 10:15:45 AM
Here's a question. If Lewis goes pro would you want Shaka to try to re recruit Dawson?
Nope, hey?
Cunning Linguist seems like a very reliable twitter source
Something has definitely been off with him from a basketball standpoint. In the last 6 games he's played, he's shooting 6 of 32 from the floor. Prior to that, he was shooting roughly 50%. Add in the vague "family illness" and it's not too surprising there's chatter about him leaving.
Pass
Quote from: Skip Intro on January 27, 2022, 10:42:33 AM
Something has definitely been off with him from a basketball standpoint. In the last 6 games he's played, he's shooting 6 of 32 from the floor. Prior to that, he was shooting roughly 50%. Add in the vague "family illness" and it's not too surprising there's chatter about him leaving.
He had a concussion.
If he quit UNC, and headed home, will probably be a Gopher next season.
Some kids realize being close to home for college has a lot of advantages.
In any regards, appreciate the effort he made for Marquette last season.
His basketball skills would have been welcomed on MUs team this year.
Hard pass. No interest at all in having him back. No sour grapes about it either. I'd just rather get somebody else.
Quote from: fjm on January 27, 2022, 10:35:25 AM
I'd be open to having him back. But I think expectations would need to be laid out. And I get the sneaking suspicion he wouldn't like those expectations.
He'll be a solid player for JB's Golden Gophers next year.
You dont think Dawson would agree with deferring to Kam Jones, Omax and Joplin next year? HAHA
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 27, 2022, 10:20:34 AM
"Quitters" are troubled losers.
I don't think Al McGuire was a loser
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 27, 2022, 11:25:56 AM
I don't think Al McGuire was a loser
Oh, he was. Wade and Chones, too. Losers!
Quote from: Markusquette on January 27, 2022, 10:37:10 AM
Cunning Linguist seems like a very reliable twitter source
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Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 27, 2022, 09:11:28 AM
Dude could be the first McDonald AA to work at McDonalds, aina?
Nah. That was Brian Butch.
Sorry. I just saw someone else made the comment first.
Dawson strikes me a bit of a whiny biotch. But I also wish him the best. He's just a kid.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 10:31:13 AM
I agree but he recruited him out of HS.
I was just tossing the idea out as would you want Shaka to, not "will he"
Nor in a million years. Unless it was a package deal of Dawson / Joey.
Quote from: Jockey on January 27, 2022, 12:08:57 PM
Nor in a million years. Unless it was a package deal of Dawson / Joey.
Would never happen in 100 lifetimes but could you imagine the blow up on the board if Joey came back?
He's certainly the most disliked player since I started following the team in 2011.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 27, 2022, 12:15:32 PM
Would never happen in 100 lifetimes but could you imagine the blow up on the board if Joey came back?
He's certainly the most disliked player since I started following the team in 2011.
2 quitters.
I disagree with a lot of posters that we would be a better team with Garcia. This year's team is built on defense, quickness, and hustle. None of those are in Garcia's wheelhouse.
I am glad he left.
If it's true that it didn't work out at UNC, it might be an intended consequence of the quick and easy transfer rules that have evolved the past couple of years.
I totally support the right of kids to choose where to go, but allowing immediate eligibility might have made (already impulsive) 18-20 year olds act even more impulsively. And before someone says "yeah, but every other student can transfer as much as they want," remember that "every other student" doesn't have handlers whispering in their ears about NIL values, instant stardom and such. And most can't transfer without worrying about differing tuition costs and such.
Either way, I wish him well, but seriously doubt it will be at MU. He doesn't seem like a guy who would play with Shaka's required defensive intensity.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 27, 2022, 12:15:32 PM
Would never happen in 100 lifetimes but could you imagine the blow up on the board if Joey came back?
He's certainly the most disliked player since I started following the team in 2011.
I'd argue he's the most disliked player ever at MU. Guys like Maymon and Todd Mayo had their moments somewhat recently, but the way Joey left seemed particularly petty.
I don't think DG would fall into the same category - if he realized he made a mistake going to UNC and wanted to come back to MU, I think Shaka and most fans would be welcoming.
Quote from: Skip Intro on January 27, 2022, 12:29:01 PM
I'd argue he's the most disliked player ever at MU. Guys like Maymon and Todd Mayo had their moments somewhat recently, but the way Joey left seemed particularly petty.
I don't think DG would fall into the same category - if he realized he made a mistake going to UNC and wanted to come back to MU, I think Shaka and most fans would be welcoming.
It won't matter. He won't come back to Marquette nor will Shaka pursue him.
Ya'll are being quite harsh. None of know the circumstances on why he left both Marquette and UNC. Let's wish him the best and hope that if he or his family have issues, the good Lord blesses them and relieves them of their burdens.
Personally, I think he's a great young man who has the same issue as Joey: Great High School Ballplayer who suddenly had to face the next level. In Division I, especially the ACC and the Big East, he faced a "Dawson Garcia" every night. If not that level of talent, someone who knew how to defend him. I'd argue in the Twin Cities South Suburban League, or whatever it's called, he rarely faced talent at his level.
Final thought: In his autobiography, Dean Smith talked about incoming freshmen. He had the same attitude about them Coach McGuire did. He talked about teaching. Most players he coached "got" the offensive end of the game relatively quickly. It was the defense that challenged them. The one exception: Michael Jordan!
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 27, 2022, 12:37:41 PM
Ya'll are being quite harsh. None of know the circumstances on why he left both Marquette and UNC. Let's wish him the best and hope that if he or his family have issues, the good Lord blesses them and relieves them of their burdens.
Personally, I think he's a great young man who has the same issue as Joey: Great High School Ballplayer who suddenly had to face the next level. In Division I, especially the ACC and the Big East, he faced a "Dawson Garcia" every night. If not that level of talent, someone who knew how to defend him. I'd argue in the Twin Cities South Suburban League, or whatever it's called, he rarely faced talent at his level.
Final thought: In his autobiography, Dean Smith talked about incoming freshmen. He had the same attitude about them Coach McGuire did. He talked about teaching. Most players he coached "got" the offensive end of the game relatively quickly. It was the defense that challenged them. The one exception: Michael Jordan!
Wasn't he in the same league as Holmgren and Suggs?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 27, 2022, 10:17:35 AM
Nah, has that ever happened in the history of college basketball?
Kevin Marfo transferred from Quinnipiac and was a pretty desired commodity in the transfer market after leading the country in rebounding. Ended up at A&M. After a year he transferred back to Quinnipiac for this season
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 12:40:23 PM
Wasn't he in the same league as Holmgren and Suggs?
No. Higher up. And played in a better travel league w D1 MN (adidas). Holmgren had to play my team.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 27, 2022, 12:37:41 PM
Ya'll are being quite harsh. None of know the circumstances on why he left both Marquette and UNC. Let's wish him the best and hope that if he or his family have issues, the good Lord blesses them and relieves them of their burdens.
Personally, I think he's a great young man who has the same issue as Joey: Great High School Ballplayer who suddenly had to face the next level. In Division I, especially the ACC and the Big East, he faced a "Dawson Garcia" every night. If not that level of talent, someone who knew how to defend him. I'd argue in the Twin Cities South Suburban League, or whatever it's called, he rarely faced talent at his level.
Final thought: In his autobiography, Dean Smith talked about incoming freshmen. He had the same attitude about them Coach McGuire did. He talked about teaching. Most players he coached "got" the offensive end of the game relatively quickly. It was the defense that challenged them. The one exception: Michael Jordan!
I don't disagree with you. I just don't want him back. Best of luck at another school.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 27, 2022, 12:15:32 PM
Would never happen in 100 lifetimes but could you imagine the blow up on the board if Joey came back?
He's certainly the most disliked player since I started following the team in 2011.
He may have the distinction of being the most disliked player at two schools. Not surprising at MU given the combination of high expectations and the perception/reality that he had a big hand in derailing one season down the stretch and bright prospects for the next over an unwarranted sense of entitlement.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 27, 2022, 12:47:56 PM
He may have the distinction of being the most disliked player at two schools. Not surprising at MU given the combination of high expectations and the perception/reality that he had a big hand in derailing one season down the stretch and bright prospects for the next over an unwarranted sense of entitlement.
Personally, I'm grateful Joey Hauser came to MU and I have ZERO resentment toward him or Sam. They both ultimately said what needed to be said and shone the bright light of indictment on Wojo as a Head Coach. IF* and it is a big if, that season had not imploded, and we actually won a game or two in the NCAA tournament - Wojo is still probably the head coach at MU. I think even the biggest Wojo supporters would agree that Shaka is a much better coach and the program is in much better shape as a result of hiring Shaka/moving on from Wojo.
As for Dawson, if the rumor is true, he and his family made a decision as to what was best for him. Perhaps there was some off-court/personal issues he was dealing with and heading back home is whats best. No need to pile on the kid (much like Joey), for making a decision to move on/change his scenery.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 27, 2022, 10:17:35 AM
Nah, has that ever happened in the history of college basketball?
Louisivlle had a guy who transferred away and back pretty recently. Can't recall his name but I'm pretty certain we played him in the NYC tourney a few years back. Cincy also had a backup center who went to a mid-major and then transferred back. Can't remember his name either.
It's rare, but it happens.
If Shaka thought he was a fit, I would gladly take Dawson back. I don't think he is a fit. Yes, Shaka recruited him at Texas but he wasn't running violence down there.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 27, 2022, 01:19:57 PM
Louisivlle had a guy who transferred away and back pretty recently. Can't recall his name but I'm pretty certain we played him in the NYC tourney a few years back. Cincy also had a backup center who went to a mid-major and then transferred back. Can't remember his name either.
It's rare, but it happens.
If Shaka thought he was a fit, I would gladly take Dawson back. I don't think he is a fit. Yes, Shaka recruited him at Texas but he wasn't running violence down there.
That's cause he wasn't in Milwaukee ai'ina?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 27, 2022, 01:19:57 PM
Cincy also had a backup center who went to a mid-major and then transferred back. Can't remember his name either.
Hmmmm....Cincy backup center, transferred to a mid-major...Chris Vogt?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 27, 2022, 01:06:02 PM
Personally, I'm grateful Joey Hauser came to MU and I have ZERO resentment toward him or Sam. They both ultimately said what needed to be said and shone the bright light of indictment on Wojo as a Head Coach. IF* and it is a big if, that season had not imploded, and we actually won a game or two in the NCAA tournament - Wojo is still probably the head coach at MU. I think even the biggest Wojo supporters would agree that Shaka is a much better coach and the program is in much better shape as a result of hiring Shaka/moving on from Wojo.
As for Dawson, if the rumor is true, he and his family made a decision as to what was best for him. Perhaps there was some off-court/personal issues he was dealing with and heading back home is whats best. No need to pile on the kid (much like Joey), for making a decision to move on/change his scenery.
What? So if Wojo had success and a tournament run that would've been bad?
I mean doesn't that essentially mean that no matter what he did you weren't going to be happy? I agree I'm thrilled Shakas our coach but this "logic" seems a bit odd.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
What? So if Wojo had success and a tournament run that would've been bad?
I mean doesn't that essentially mean that no matter what he did you weren't going to be happy? I agree I'm thrilled Shakas our coach but this "logic" seems a bit odd.
If anything, tournament success would have been fun and probably gotten Wojo another gig.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 27, 2022, 10:17:35 AM
Nah, has that ever happened in the history of college basketball?
Certainly.
Current year HM example: Payton Willis returning to Minnesota
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
What? So if Wojo had success and a tournament run that would've been bad?
I mean doesn't that essentially mean that no matter what he did you weren't going to be happy? I agree I'm thrilled Shakas our coach but this "logic" seems a bit odd.
It would have been fools gold if he did make the NCAA, but in turn would have bought him more time at MU which would have meant more mediocrity.
The fact that season imploded like it did ultimately lands squarely on his shoulders as the Coach needs to manage egos and a locker room. The Hausers letter/leaving provided additional evidence that he didn't have that skill either. End of the day its been vanilla soft serve for some of our fanbase to pile on Joey and Sam. The complete lack of team basketball played under Wojo deserved to be called out.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 27, 2022, 02:19:15 PM
It would have been fools gold if he did make the NCAA, but in turn would have bought him more time at MU which would have meant more mediocrity.
The fact that season imploded like it did ultimately lands squarely on his shoulders as the Coach needs to manage egos and a locker room. The Hausers letter/leaving provided additional evidence that he didn't have that skill either. End of the day its been vanilla soft serve for some of our fanbase to pile on Joey and Sam. The complete lack of team basketball played under Wojo deserved to be called out.
So we win a big east regular season title, likely make the tournament as a 2 or 3 seed, win a game or two in the tournament, and then return everyone where we have another fantastic season. Where's the mediocrity there?
I agree it lands on the coach, he needed to go because he couldn't handle it.
But your argument is essentially thanking fate that he didn't get it together, I mean had handled it leading to a season of at least 25 wins, at least the regular season Big East title, a round of 32 or sweet 16, a following season much better than the 6-8 seed we were on pace to receive. Any recruiting bump that would've followed. You're saying that all that tangible success would've been fools gold.
I'm glad that wojos not the coach anymore but a coach is paid to win, if he won that's proof he's doing what he's paid to do. You're saying thank god he didn't win which means even if he did win you still didn't want him. It shows you were against Wojo no matter what.
Quote from: Jockey on January 27, 2022, 12:26:54 PM
2 quitters.
Are Kuath, Morsell and Kolek also quitters?
Quote from: Pakuni on January 27, 2022, 02:59:50 PM
Are Kuath, Morsell and Kolek also quitters?
I mean they finished the year out. I assuming all i well with his family. He bailed
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 02:28:21 PM
So we win a big east regular season title, likely make the tournament as a 2 or 3 seed, win a game or two in the tournament, and then return everyone where we have another fantastic season. Where's the mediocrity there?
I agree it lands on the coach, he needed to go because he couldn't handle it.
But your argument is essentially thanking fate that he didn't get it together, I mean had handled it leading to a season of at least 25 wins, at least the regular season Big East title, a round of 32 or sweet 16, a following season much better than the 6-8 seed we were on pace to receive. Any recruiting bump that would've followed. You're saying that all that tangible success would've been fools gold.
I'm glad that wojos not the coach anymore but a coach is paid to win, if he won that's proof he's doing what he's paid to do. You're saying thank god he didn't win which means even if he did win you still didn't want him. It shows you were against Wojo no matter what.
Agree to disagree. We are both speculating.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 27, 2022, 01:06:02 PM
Personally, I'm grateful Joey Hauser came to MU and I have ZERO resentment toward him or Sam. They both ultimately said what needed to be said and shone the bright light of indictment on Wojo as a Head Coach. IF* and it is a big if, that season had not imploded, and we actually won a game or two in the NCAA tournament - Wojo is still probably the head coach at MU. I think even the biggest Wojo supporters would agree that Shaka is a much better coach and the program is in much better shape as a result of hiring Shaka/moving on from Wojo.
As for Dawson, if the rumor is true, he and his family made a decision as to what was best for him. Perhaps there was some off-court/personal issues he was dealing with and heading back home is whats best. No need to pile on the kid (much like Joey), for making a decision to move on/change his scenery.
You might wanna watch all those hypotheticals; you're gonna need a boot if you trip over them....
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 27, 2022, 11:25:56 AM
I don't think Al McGuire was a loser
Al didn't quit, he retired from coaching and got a great gig as a color analyst.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 27, 2022, 03:09:28 PM
Agree to disagree. We are both speculating.
I literally can't even handle this. Id rather argue education costs and certain graduate salaries with Fluffy.
JB beat me on the Payton Willis example. i think the Joey hate (or maybe just my joey hate) is more intense because he took Sam with him, who was a great contributor, seemed to love MU and was Markus's best friend before "family came first." I didn't mind seeing Joey go, but damn, I still miss Sam to this day.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on January 27, 2022, 03:29:48 PM
JB beat me on the Payton Willis example. i think the Joey hate (or maybe just my joey hate) is more intense because he took Sam with him, who was a great contributor, seemed to love MU and was Markus's best friend before "family came first." I didn't mind seeing Joey go, but damn, I still miss Sam to this day.
+1
I really liked Sam.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on January 27, 2022, 03:29:48 PM
JB beat me on the Payton Willis example. i think the Joey hate (or maybe just my joey hate) is more intense because he took Sam with him, who was a great contributor, seemed to love MU and was Markus's best friend before "family came first." I didn't mind seeing Joey go, but damn, I still miss Sam to this day.
Nah. The Joey hate all stems from Marquette fans celebrating him and Sam leaving since it proved some point.
Dawson leaving? Ok, don't let the door hit yeah. Sam and Joey leaving? Can't blame them or something
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 27, 2022, 03:37:55 PM
Nah. The Joey hate all stems from Marquette fans celebrating him and Sam leaving since it proved some point.
Dawson leaving? Ok, don't let the door hit yeah. Sam and Joey leaving? Can't blame them or something
Saw you commented here and was fully expecting a "yes," which by the way has proven to be really funny. Well done.
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on January 27, 2022, 03:29:48 PM
JB beat me on the Payton Willis example. i think the Joey hate (or maybe just my joey hate) is more intense because he took Sam with him, who was a great contributor, seemed to love MU and was Markus's best friend before "family came first." I didn't mind seeing Joey go, but damn, I still miss Sam to this day.
This
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 02:28:21 PM
So we win a big east regular season title, likely make the tournament as a 2 or 3 seed, win a game or two in the tournament, and then return everyone where we have another fantastic season. Where's the mediocrity there?
I agree it lands on the coach, he needed to go because he couldn't handle it.
But your argument is essentially thanking fate that he didn't get it together, I mean had handled it leading to a season of at least 25 wins, at least the regular season Big East title, a round of 32 or sweet 16, a following season much better than the 6-8 seed we were on pace to receive. Any recruiting bump that would've followed. You're saying that all that tangible success would've been fools gold.
I'm glad that wojos not the coach anymore but a coach is paid to win, if he won that's proof he's doing what he's paid to do. You're saying thank god he didn't win which means even if he did win you still didn't want him. It shows you were against Wojo no matter what.
Here are my thoughts. You assume that if Joey had just kept his mouth shut, they would have breezed through the season into a 2-3 seed and then won a few games. In your eyes, the only reason the team tanked and then later imploded was because Joey, while you dismiss your own (likely) and everyone else's observation that season that their offense was Hero Ball and the coach did nothing to reign it in. IMO, the implosion was inevitable for one and two, Wojo never showed an ability to adjust his game plan once the coaches in the BE figured him out which is why his February and March results were so weak. What I'm saying is that Wojo's coaching style or lack thereof was the reason for the tanking. Despite how well they were doing at the time, the bottom falling out that season was likely to happen anyway because of the guy coaching the team.
So in the end, I don't even consider the possibility that Wojo gets a 2 or 3 seed and wins a couple of games because it wasn't likely to happen anyway - even if Joey doesn't complain.
Quote from: jfp61 on January 27, 2022, 03:03:03 PM
I mean they finished the year out. I assuming all i well with his family. He bailed
Jim Chones: Quitter
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 27, 2022, 03:13:58 PM
Al didn't quit, he retired from coaching and got a great gig as a color analyst.
So quitting one profession to start another profession isn't quitting?
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 27, 2022, 05:18:58 PM
So quitting one profession to start another profession isn't quitting?
He left, hey.
Quote from: joparks on January 27, 2022, 05:09:58 PM
Here are my thoughts. You assume that if Joey had just kept his mouth shut, they would have breezed through the season into a 2-3 seed and then won a few games.
I do not, he set the parameters of the season being a success and is winning a game or two in the tournament. So remember moving forward I'm arguing his poor logic in the universe he created with the below sentence:
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 27, 2022, 01:06:02 PM
if, that season had not imploded, and we actually won a game or two in the NCAA tournament - Wojo is still probably the head coach at MU.
Quote from: joparks on January 27, 2022, 05:09:58 PM
In your eyes, the only reason the team tanked and then later imploded was because Joey, while you dismiss your own (likely) and everyone else's observation that season that their offense was Hero Ball and the coach did nothing to reign it in.
Except that S Hauser had been the leading scorer in >1/4 of our games that year. So unless your theory is there's two heroes this doesn't hold as true as you think.
Quote from: joparks on January 27, 2022, 05:09:58 PMIMO, the implosion was inevitable for one
Agreed, but that's not the universe he created. He said thankfully the Hausers wrote the letter otherwise if the season had not imploded (which at least means one more regular season win I would assume) and they were happy we might've been successful.
Quote from: joparks on January 27, 2022, 05:09:58 PM
and two, Wojo never showed an ability to adjust his game plan once the coaches in the BE figured him out which is why his February and March results were so weak. What I'm saying is that Wojo's coaching style or lack thereof was the reason for the tanking. Despite how well they were doing at the time, the bottom falling out that season was likely to happen anyway because of the guy coaching the team.
Agreed that Wojo was a bad coach who didn't make in game adjustments. But the tanking statement is pretty false, the majority of Wojos years he was average in Feb March and given that we're also making 18-19 a better year this becomes less accurate. I'm not saying it's strong but this is a overstated idea.
Feb/March
2021: 5-4
2020: 3-6
2019: 4-5
2018: 5-3
2017: 5-4
2016: 4-5
2015: 2-7
Quote from: joparks on January 27, 2022, 05:09:58 PM
So in the end, I don't even consider the possibility that Wojo gets a 2 or 3 seed and wins a couple of games because it wasn't likely to happen anyway - even if Joey doesn't complain.
That's fine but that's not the scenario he created. Even with your scenario the question becomes would we have won one more game? If we had we win a share of the Big East and return the Hausers for another year and you can go from there.
In the end the scenario presents Wojo as a successful coach who is set up for success the following year. I'm glad Shaka is our coach as he's much much better but it's absurd to say "thank god our coach wasn't good or else he'd still be here" it creates a paradox where you're rooting against someone whether they succeed or fail.
No one should blame a college kid for transferring...especially when they realized Wojo was a sh1t coach.
You know ... I was just thinking that what Scoop really needed was another thread about Wojo and the Hausers.
Quote from: MU82 on January 27, 2022, 06:41:12 PM
You know ... I was just thinking that what Scoop really needed was another thread about Wojo and the Hausers.
You want to talk about it?
Quote from: Jockey on January 27, 2022, 11:59:11 AM
Nah. That was Brian Butch.
Sorry. I just saw someone else made the comment first.
I love a good Butch joke but I have to admit he's a very good announcer. I was fully prepared to rip on him the first time he announced one of our games, and it caused me great cognitive dissonance, but not only does he not suck at it, he's actually very good at it. Like I get a bit disappointed if he isn't calling our game at this point. Maybe I shouldn't be admitting this publicly but it's true, and the truth will always set you free.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 27, 2022, 05:18:58 PM
So quitting one profession to start another profession isn't quitting?
Anyone who thinks someone who retires from one profession to pursue another is a "quitter" is an idiot.
everyone here should know that this is the only acceptable Brian Butch photo for Scoopers.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eXQh6Qsh7Z8/R6OGxIeMt-I/AAAAAAAAARU/JGzRwxy42F8/s320/BrianButch.jpg)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 27, 2022, 01:19:57 PM
Louisivlle had a guy who transferred away and back pretty recently. Can't recall his name but I'm pretty certain we played him in the NYC tourney a few years back. Cincy also had a backup center who went to a mid-major and then transferred back. Can't remember his name either.
It's rare, but it happens.
If Shaka thought he was a fit, I would gladly take Dawson back. I don't think he is a fit. Yes, Shaka recruited him at Texas but he wasn't running violence down there.
Akoy Agau returned for 2018-19 season. Went from Louisville, to Georgetown, to Southern Methodist, and back to Louisville. Forgot he went to so many schools, thought it was just Louisville and Georgetown, but was the first name that came to my mind too.
Quote from: MU82 on January 27, 2022, 06:41:12 PM
You know ... I was just thinking that what Scoop really needed was another thread about Wojo and the Hausers.
Ironic, Mike.
Just talked to Dawson. Said he was giving up basketball to give himself more time to devote to reading the scintillating repartee that is scoop. He said he was worried he'd miss a minute of the in depth brilliance here.
Missing out of that would be way worse than missing out on millions of dollars from the NBA.
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 27, 2022, 09:41:25 PM
Just talked to Dawson. Said he was giving up basketball to give himself more time to devote to reading the scintillating repartee that is scoop. He said he was worried he'd miss a minute of the in depth brilliance here.
Missing out of that would be way worse than missing out on millions of dollars from the NBA.
Explains a lot.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 27, 2022, 09:34:14 PM
Ironic, Mike.
Huh? I'm pretty sure I'm not one who inserts Wojo and/or the Hausers into every other thread.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 27, 2022, 05:14:56 PM
Jim Chones: Quitter
I still remember how disappointed I was when it happened.
Quote from: bilsu on January 27, 2022, 10:19:27 PM
I still remember how disappointed I was when it happened.
Me too. It really stung, didn't it?
Quote from: MU82 on January 27, 2022, 09:52:59 PM
Huh? I'm pretty sure I'm not one who inserts Wojo and/or the Hausers into every other thread.
I'm pretty sure you have more posts on the Hausers than anyone else on Scoop.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 27, 2022, 11:05:12 PM
I'm pretty sure you have more posts on the Hausers than anyone else on Scoop.
Maybe, maybe not. Either way, almost all of those I have are in this thread:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60964.0
You know, the Hauser Brothers Thread.
I accept your apology.
I thought I read somewhere that when the one time "free" transfer was implemented, it was a transfer as last resort, meaning if you were to transfer again, you have to sit out the following year, no exceptions.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 27, 2022, 07:34:40 PM
Anyone who thinks someone who retires from one profession to pursue another is a "quitter" is an idiot.
Retiring isn't quitting? Good to know.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 27, 2022, 05:56:24 PM
Agreed that Wojo was a bad coach who didn't make in game adjustments. But the tanking statement is pretty false, the majority of Wojos years he was average in Feb March and given that we're also making 18-19 a better year this becomes less accurate. I'm not saying it's strong but this is a overstated idea.
Feb/March
2021: 5-4
2020: 3-6
2019: 4-5
2018: 5-3
2017: 5-4
2016: 4-5
2015: 2-7
That's fine but that's not the scenario he created. Even with your scenario the question becomes would we have won one more game? If we had we win a share of the Big East and return the Hausers for another year and you can go from there.
In the end the scenario presents Wojo as a successful coach who is set up for success the following year. I'm glad Shaka is our coach as he's much much better but it's absurd to say "thank god our coach wasn't good or else he'd still be here" it creates a paradox where you're rooting against someone whether they succeed or fail.
Are people really still carrying water for Steve?
Quote from: Jamo on January 28, 2022, 08:15:55 AM
Are people really still carrying water for Steve?
Sure if you can't comprehend that I'm arguing for an intellectually honest argument and ignore these lines
"Agreed that Wojo was a bad coach who didn't make in game adjustments."
"I'm glad Shaka is our coach as he's much much better"
Then it's easy to pretend that I was supporting Wojo.
Quote from: Jamo on January 28, 2022, 08:15:55 AM
Are people really still carrying water for Steve?
No, read better.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 28, 2022, 08:20:43 AM
Sure if you can't comprehend that I'm arguing for an intellectually honest argument and ignore these lines
"Agreed that Wojo was a bad coach who didn't make in game adjustments."
"I'm glad Shaka is our coach as he's much much better"
Then it's easy to pretend that I was supporting Wojo.
Ha, true I am not sure I can comprehend of your honestly and intellect, but you posted a 28-34 record for Steve's second trips thru conference like it was anything other than an indictment of his coaching ability. Kinda carrying water, but that's my opinion maybe not your intent.
Quote from: Jamo on January 28, 2022, 08:27:17 AM
Ha, true I am not sure I can comprehend of your honestly and intellect, but you posted a 28-34 record for Steve's second trips thru conference like it was anything other than an indictment of his coaching ability. Kinda carrying water, but that's my opinion maybe not your intent.
I said the majority of the season were average. I broke it down season by season. 4 were within a game of .500, 1 was 2 games above .500. By incorporating the seasons as a total you are purposely misrepresenting what I said as I made no attempt to say they were all strong and 2015 & 2020 were particularly terrible. But saying year in and year our his February and March conference slates were always collapses isnt as true as Joparks assumed.
There's plenty of reasons I dislike Wojo as a coach, particularly the lack of adjustments, over reliance on isolation, major players transferring etc. but if you can't comprehend the paradox Ners' is setting up by arguing that we're blessed he didn't win then I don't know what to say.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 27, 2022, 12:05:45 PM
Dawson strikes me a bit of a whiny biotch. But I also wish him the best. He's just a kid.
He's 20 years old. Dudes a full grown man. When you play D1 college sports and over the age of 18 you're an adult.
Quote from: lawdog77 on January 28, 2022, 05:22:59 AM
I thought I read somewhere that when the one time "free" transfer was implemented, it was a transfer as last resort, meaning if you were to transfer again, you have to sit out the following year, no exceptions.
That is my understanding also. The people crying chicken little that this will repeat every year are overreacting IMO. I think this year was an anomaly, yes more will transfer, once.
I brought the Hausers up, primarily because I think there is some similarity between Joey and Dawson.
Both were outstanding high school basketball players.
Neither mastered the art of defense at a Division 1 College Level.
Both were recruited to Marquette by our former coach as highly regarded, nationally prominent recruits.
Both left Marquette for nationally prominent college basketball programs.
Both, so far, failed to reach the heights at these other programs their talent and publicity would suggest.
I hope they both do well. In Coach Shaka I trust. If Coach Shaka wants them back, bring them back. Otherwise. move on!
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 28, 2022, 09:13:59 AM
I brought the Hausers up, primarily because I think there is some similarity between Joey and Dawson.
Both were outstanding high school basketball players.
Neither mastered the art of defense at a Division 1 College Level.
Both were recruited to Marquette by our former coach as highly regarded, nationally prominent recruits.
Both left Marquette for nationally prominent college basketball programs.
Both, so far, failed to reach the heights at these other programs their talent and publicity would suggest.
I hope they both do well. In Coach Shaka I trust. If Coach Shaka wants them back, bring them back. Otherwise. move on!
Save your levelheaded comments for somewhere appropriate.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 28, 2022, 07:36:32 AM
Retiring isn't quitting? Good to know.
No. You're welcome for the new insight.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 28, 2022, 09:30:51 AM
No. You're welcome for the new insight.
It's OK. You are allowed to criticize St. Al sometimes. I think.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 28, 2022, 09:46:52 AM
It's OK. You are allowed to criticize St. Al sometimes. I think.
Lots of things to criticize Al for - and nobody who knew him would disagree.
But to call his retiring from the coaching profession "quitting" on Marquette is childish and inaccurate.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 28, 2022, 09:56:34 AM
Lots of things to criticize Al for - and nobody who knew him would disagree.
But to call his retiring from the coaching profession "quitting" on Marquette is childish and inaccurate.
He attempted to quit once earlier, when his deemed his pay too low, but MU held him to his contract. He did, indeed, eventually quit, but that wasn't really my point. My point is it is silly to criticize Dawson--particularly not knowing the actual circumstances-- when people, including Al, make changes all the time because it is in their best interests.
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 28, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
He attempted to quit once earlier, when his deemed his pay too low, but MU held him to his contract.
Wrong.
He wanted to resign and become the Milwaukee Bucks first head coach. Father Raynor refused to release him from his contract.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 28, 2022, 10:44:40 AM
Wrong.
He wanted to resign and become the Milwaukee Bucks first head coach. Father Raynor refused to release him from his contract.
Errr, so which part was I wrong about?
Maybe it's time for some of you to stop being such pricks about Dawson.
https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina/Article/Dawson-Garcia-UNC-Basketball-Focused-on-Family-181668689/
I spoke with Dawson's high school coach and it is indeed a serious matter. Some of the vitriol aimed at Dawson from members of this forum without knowing the facts is really poor form.
Quote from: bradforster on January 28, 2022, 12:15:29 PM
I spoke with Dawson's high school coach and it is indeed a serious matter. Some of the vitriol aimed at Dawson from members of this forum without knowing the facts is really poor form.
Welcome to scoop, where we attack young men for leaving Marquette.
Quote from: #UnleashKolek on January 28, 2022, 12:36:50 PM
Welcome to scoop, where we attack young men for leaving Marquette.
And young men who never left. And young men for never coming. And young men for getting easy rebounds.
Quote from: #UnleashKolek on January 28, 2022, 12:36:50 PM
Welcome to scoop, where we attack young men for leaving Marquette.
Welcome to the era of basement living, mouth breathing, no pants wearing idiots with access to the inter-webs that can proclaim to know all and see all, leading to the unintelligent to believe any and all conspiracy theories.
Quote from: cven7 on January 28, 2022, 12:42:02 PM
And young men who never left. And young men for never coming. And young men for getting easy rebounds.
And young men who don't high five with enough enthusiasm. And young men who foul at too high a rate. And young men who speak their minds. And...
Don't know anything about the specifics of Dawson's situation. So can't comment on that but wish Dawson well.
However, I will say there is a big difference between the situation Dawson was in at Marquette and what he is now in at UNC.
At a program like Marquette, where 5 star type players do not come along often, a kid like Dawson is featured and the program is built around him.
At a program like UNC, which is loaded with 5 stars, it is very easy to become just another guy. Even when the program is not performing the way UNC currently is. On top of that the UNC mentality is that it is a privilege to play for The Heels, be going to school in Chapel Hill, etc . They reinforce that to players all the time. So when things don't go as well as the player, and their family, had hoped for going in; it then becomes hard for some kids to work through the obstacles.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 28, 2022, 12:54:15 PM
And young men who don't high five with enough enthusiasm. And young men who foul at too high a rate. And young men who speak their minds. And...
And young men who are open about their mental health struggles.
Quote from: UNC Eagle on January 28, 2022, 01:11:20 PM
Don't know anything about the specifics of Dawson's situation. So can't comment on that but wish Dawson well.
However, I will say there is a big difference between the situation Dawson was in at Marquette and what he is now in at UNC.
At a program like Marquette, where 5 star type players do not come along often, a kid like Dawson is featured and the program is built around him.
At a program like UNC, which is loaded with 5 stars, it is very easy to become just another guy. Even when the program is not performing the way UNC currently is. On top of that the UNC mentality is that it is a privilege to play for The Heels, be going to school in Chapel Hill, etc . They reinforce that to players all the time. So when things don't go as well as the player, and their family, had hoped for going in; it then becomes hard for some kids to work through the obstacles.
I thought you were going to say that the difference was they get to take made-up classes at UNC and they actually have to go to class at MU.
Quote from: UNC Eagle on January 28, 2022, 01:11:20 PM
Don't know anything about the specifics of Dawson's situation. So can't comment on that but wish Dawson well.
However, I will say there is a big difference between the situation Dawson was in at Marquette and what he is now in at UNC.
At a program like Marquette, where 5 star type players do not come along often, a kid like Dawson is featured and the program is built around him.
At a program like UNC, which is loaded with 5 stars, it is very easy to become just another guy. Even when the program is not performing the way UNC currently is. On top of that the UNC mentality is that it is a privilege to play for The Heels, be going to school in Chapel Hill, etc . They reinforce that to players all the time. So when things don't go as well as the player, and their family, had hoped for going in; it then becomes hard for some kids to work through the obstacles.
I certainly don't claim to believe MU is anywhere close to the program UNC is (it isn't) but this post made me legitimately cringe.
See below form the UNC fan board: ::)
cmooreduck
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Maybe, just maybe this is one of the reasons Dawson transferred to Carolina. Sounds like the family issues have been going on for an extended period and he wanted to be at a place that embraced his needs beyond basketball. Perhaps that wasn't present at Marquette.
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Quote from: lawdog77 on January 28, 2022, 05:22:59 AM
I thought I read somewhere that when the one time "free" transfer was implemented, it was a transfer as last resort, meaning if you were to transfer again, you have to sit out the following year, no exceptions.
that was delayed a year. But a second transfer requires a waiver.
Quote from: lurch91 on January 28, 2022, 12:46:36 PM
Welcome to the era of basement living, mouth breathing, no pants wearing idiots with access to the inter-webs that can proclaim to know all and see all, leading to the unintelligent to believe any and all conspiracy theories.
You think there are any of those on here?
Update
https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article257818823.html
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 28, 2022, 01:29:36 PM
I certainly don't claim to believe MU is anywhere close to the program UNC is (it isn't) but this post made me legitimately cringe.
Yeah. Even if was posted with good intentions, wow...
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 28, 2022, 01:32:01 PM
See below form the UNC fan board: ::)
cmooreduck
Posted on 2 hrs, , User Since 227 months ago, User Post Count: 983
Maybe, just maybe this is one of the reasons Dawson transferred to Carolina. Sounds like the family issues have been going on for an extended period and he wanted to be at a place that embraced his needs beyond basketball. Perhaps that wasn't present at Marquette.
Guess they have to go to school at MU, thats an issue, vs. who knows what goes on down there, Roy did not care, hopefully Davis does. Hope the kid finds is
way, they recruit higher level stars, but at times they all do not play together. Lets see how Seth Trimble plays down there. Shaka has put a system into how
his kids want to play, at NC, not sure what they are doing. For sure, they do not play D down there.
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Quote from: UNC Eagle on January 28, 2022, 01:11:20 PM
Don't know anything about the specifics of Dawson's situation. So can't comment on that but wish Dawson well.
However, I will say there is a big difference between the situation Dawson was in at Marquette and what he is now in at UNC.
At a program like Marquette, where 5 star type players do not come along often, a kid like Dawson is featured and the program is built around him.
At a program like UNC, which is loaded with 5 stars, it is very easy to become just another guy. Even when the program is not performing the way UNC currently is. On top of that the UNC mentality is that it is a privilege to play for The Heels, be going to school in Chapel Hill, etc . They reinforce that to players all the time. So when things don't go as well as the player, and their family, had hoped for going in; it then becomes hard for some kids to work through the obstacles.
Wow.
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Just wishing Dawson and his family the best in these trying times.
Listening to Dawson speak in interviews he sounds like an intelligent young man from the Twin Cities.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/unc-basketball-announces-dawson-garcia-224707858.html
Update. Hope all goes well with the family.
Not returning to the team this season. Good luck, young man.
Basketball has gone off track for him these last ten months. Perhaps he takes this time to clarify what is necessary from what is not needed to advance his ambitions.
Prayers up for Dawson and his family. His love of family over everything else is to be applauded. God bless them all.
Quote from: Daniel on February 10, 2022, 06:53:11 PM
Prayers up for Dawson and his family. His love of family over everything else is to be applauded. God bless them all.
Agreed. No reason to rag on him for putting family first.
Quote from: Markusquette on February 10, 2022, 10:06:36 PM
Agreed. No reason to rag on him for putting family first.
Yep. Heartfelt hopes for his family's health and for his own future, on and off the basketball court.
Now it would be nice if a few of the Scoopers who had really nasty takes would step up and apologize.
Sincerely hope his Grandmother gets better and all family matters are resolved positively.
That said, I wonder if he'd still be in Chapel Hill if UNC was #1 and he was averaging 20 and 10.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2022, 09:26:18 AM
Sincerely hope his Grandmother gets better and all family matters are resolved positively.
That said, I wonder if he'd still be in Chapel Hill if UNC was #1 and he was averaging 20 and 10.
He might be. Mental health can be buoyed by more positive developments in one's life.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2022, 09:26:18 AM
Sincerely hope his Grandmother gets better and all family matters are resolved positively.
That said, I wonder if he'd still be in Chapel Hill if UNC was #1 and he was averaging 20 and 10.
That's really cold. Glad to seethe young man has his priorities straight.
Yeah, give the kid a break and hope he does OK on sorting things out.
Quote from: leever on February 11, 2022, 09:33:26 AM
That's really cold. Glad to seethe young man has his priorities straight.
Believe me, I never would be one to minimize mental health challenges. But honesty comes across cold to some, I guess.
If he's interested at all in coming back to MU, I'm confident he'd be welcomed back. Of course, it's very likely not be one person remaining from his season here.
Somethin' 'bout a ship that left the port, hey?
Well, it's not far down to paradise, at least it's not for me
And if the wind is right you can sail away and find tranquility
Oh, the canvas can do miracles, just you wait and see.
Believe me.
It's not far to never-never land, no reason to pretend
And if the wind is right you can find the joy of innocence again
Oh, the canvas can do miracles, just you wait and see.
Believe me.
Sailing takes me away to where I've always heard it could be
Just a dream and the wind to carry me
And soon I will be free
Fantasy, it gets the best of me
When I'm sailing
All caught up in the reverie, every word is a symphony
Won't you believe me?
Sailing takes me away to where I've always heard it could be
Just a dream and the wind to carry me
And soon I will be free
Well it's not far back to sanity, at least it's not for me
And if the wind is right you can sail away and find serenity
Oh, the canvas can do miracles, just you wait and see.
Believe me.
Sailing takes me away to where I've always heard it could be
Just a dream and the wind to carry me
And soon I will be free
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 11, 2022, 10:34:33 AM
Somethin' 'bout a ship that left the port, hey?
Well, it's not far down to paradise, at least it's not for me
And if the wind is right you can sail away and find tranquility
Oh, the canvas can do miracles, just you wait and see.
Believe me.
It's not far to never-never land, no reason to pretend
And if the wind is right you can find the joy of innocence again
Oh, the canvas can do miracles, just you wait and see.
Believe me.
Sailing takes me away to where I've always heard it could be
Just a dream and the wind to carry me
And soon I will be free
Fantasy, it gets the best of me
When I'm sailing
All caught up in the reverie, every word is a symphony
Won't you believe me?
Sailing takes me away to where I've always heard it could be
Just a dream and the wind to carry me
And soon I will be free
Well it's not far back to sanity, at least it's not for me
And if the wind is right you can sail away and find serenity
Oh, the canvas can do miracles, just you wait and see.
Believe me.
Sailing takes me away to where I've always heard it could be
Just a dream and the wind to carry me
And soon I will be free
Cool. Now do Crean.
Crean sucks
I was justified when I was five
Raising Cain, I spit in your eye
Times are changing now the poor get fat
But the fever's gonna catch you when the bitch gets back
(Oh-oh-oh)
Eat meat on Friday, that's alright
I even like steak on a Saturday night
I can bitch the best at your social do's
I get high in the evening sniffing pots of glue
(Ooh-ooh-ooh)
I'm a bitch, I'm a bitch, oh, the bitch is back
Stone-cold sober, as a matter of fact
I can bitch, I can bitch 'cause I'm better than you
It's the way that I move, the things that I do, oh-oh-oh
I entertain by picking brains
Sell my soul by dropping names
I don't like those, my God, what's that?
Oh, it's full of nasty habits when the bitch gets back
(Oh-oh-oh)
I'm a bitch, I'm a bitch, oh, the bitch is back
Stone-cold sober, as a matter of fact
I can bitch, I can bitch 'cause I'm better than you
It's the way that I move, the things that I do, oh-oh-oh
I'm a bitch, I'm a bitch, oh, the bitch is back
Stone-cold sober, as a matter of fact
I can bitch, I can bitch 'cause I'm better than you
It's the way that I move, the things that I do, oh-oh-oh
Bitch, bitch, bitch is back
Bitch, bitch, bitch is back
Bitch, bitch, bitch is back
Bitch, bitch, bitch is back
Bitch, bitch, bitch is back
Bitch, bitch, bitch is back
Bitch, bitch, bitch is back
Bitch, bitch, bitch is back
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2022, 09:51:51 AM
Believe me, I never would be one to minimize mental health challenges. But honesty comes across cold to some, I guess.
OK Lenny, but I think there are times when it is best keep your thoughts to yourself. This was one of those times.
he is a gopher next year.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 11, 2022, 12:03:37 PM
he is a gopher next year.
That thought has crossed my mind. Either that or he goes pro. In the meantime, best wishes for the Garcia family.
Quote from: leever on February 11, 2022, 09:33:26 AM
That's really cold. Glad to seethe young man has his priorities straight.
20 and 10 at UNC or a #1 and a kid like Dawson, he's probably looking at making big bucks in the next couple years. The ROI seems pretty damn tempting
From ESPN Website
Dawson Garcia won't return to North Carolina men's basketball team this season due to family medical issues
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CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- North Carolina says Marquette transfer Dawson Garcia won't return to the team this season while he remains home in Minnesota due to family medical issues.
The school announced Garcia's status Thursday. The 6-foot-11 forward had missed the past six games and hadn't played since the Jan. 22 loss at Wake Forest.
"After the loss of several very special family members this past year, I came close to losing my dad in December and my grandma is currently in the ICU," Garcia said in a statement released by the school. "With my dad recovering and my grandma fighting for her life, it's not even a question to me where I need to be right now."
Garcia, from Prior Lake, Minnesota, had averaged 9.0 points and 5.5 rebounds in 16 games with 12 starts for the Tar Heels. He had five double-figure scoring games after averaging 13.0 points in his lone season at Marquette.
"I love coaching Dawson and understand his primary concern right now is his family's health and welfare, and his focus continues to be with them as it should be," first-year UNC coach Hubert Davis said in a statement.
"We miss him being part of our program and wish him and his family well and look forward to his return to the game at the appropriate time."
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 11, 2022, 03:48:20 PM
From ESPN Website
Dawson Garcia won't return to North Carolina men's basketball team this season due to family medical issues
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CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- North Carolina says Marquette transfer Dawson Garcia won't return to the team this season while he remains home in Minnesota due to family medical issues.
The school announced Garcia's status Thursday. The 6-foot-11 forward had missed the past six games and hadn't played since the Jan. 22 loss at Wake Forest.
"After the loss of several very special family members this past year, I came close to losing my dad in December and my grandma is currently in the ICU," Garcia said in a statement released by the school. "With my dad recovering and my grandma fighting for her life, it's not even a question to me where I need to be right now."
Garcia, from Prior Lake, Minnesota, had averaged 9.0 points and 5.5 rebounds in 16 games with 12 starts for the Tar Heels. He had five double-figure scoring games after averaging 13.0 points in his lone season at Marquette.
"I love coaching Dawson and understand his primary concern right now is his family's health and welfare, and his focus continues to be with them as it should be," first-year UNC coach Hubert Davis said in a statement.
"We miss him being part of our program and wish him and his family well and look forward to his return to the game at the appropriate time."
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 11, 2022, 03:48:20 PM
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Dawson Garcia won't return to North Carolina men's basketball team this season due to family medical issues
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CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- North Carolina says Marquette transfer Dawson Garcia won't return to the team this season while he remains home in Minnesota due to family medical issues.
The school announced Garcia's status Thursday. The 6-foot-11 forward had missed the past six games and hadn't played since the Jan. 22 loss at Wake Forest.
"After the loss of several very special family members this past year, I came close to losing my dad in December and my grandma is currently in the ICU," Garcia said in a statement released by the school. "With my dad recovering and my grandma fighting for her life, it's not even a question to me where I need to be right now."
Garcia, from Prior Lake, Minnesota, had averaged 9.0 points and 5.5 rebounds in 16 games with 12 starts for the Tar Heels. He had five double-figure scoring games after averaging 13.0 points in his lone season at Marquette.
"I love coaching Dawson and understand his primary concern right now is his family's health and welfare, and his focus continues to be with them as it should be," first-year UNC coach Hubert Davis said in a statement.
"We miss him being part of our program and wish him and his family well and look forward to his return to the game at the appropriate time."
When did this happen? I hadn't seen it
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 11, 2022, 10:57:20 AM
OK Lenny, but I think there are times when it is best keep your thoughts to yourself. This was one of those times.
OK, Snoop. I disagree with your thoughts on this but have no problem with the fact you didn't keep them to yourself.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2022, 03:56:59 PM
OK, Snoop. I disagree with your thoughts on this but have no problem with the fact you didn't keep them to yourself.
Touche'
Just curious, is it known what illnesses the Garcia's are suffering from? Is it Covid?
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 11, 2022, 12:20:53 PM
That thought has crossed my mind. Either that or he goes pro. In the meantime, best wishes for the Garcia family.
What league?
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 12, 2022, 09:17:35 PM
What league?
Who knows? I said pro, not NBA. But, I rather suspect gophers. But, that's his life. So, que sera......