Dawson

[Galway Eagle]

Here are my thoughts.  You assume that if Joey had just kept his mouth shut, they would have breezed through the season into a 2-3 seed and then won a few games.

I do not, he set the parameters of the season being a success and is winning a game or two in the tournament. So remember moving forward I'm arguing his poor logic in the universe he created with the below sentence:

if, that season had not imploded, and we actually won a game or two in the NCAA tournament - Wojo is still probably the head coach at MU.

In your eyes, the only reason the team tanked and then later imploded was because Joey, while you dismiss your own (likely) and everyone else's observation that season that their offense was Hero Ball and the coach did nothing to reign it in. 

Except that S Hauser had been the leading scorer in >1/4 of our games that year. So unless your theory is there's two heroes this doesn't hold as true as you think.

IMO, the implosion was inevitable for one

Agreed, but that's not the universe he created. He said thankfully the Hausers wrote the letter otherwise if the season had not imploded (which at least means one more regular season win I would assume) and they were happy we might've been successful.

and two, Wojo never showed an ability to adjust his game plan once the coaches in the BE figured him out which is why his February and March results were so weak.  What I'm saying is that Wojo's coaching style or lack thereof was the reason for the tanking.  Despite how well they were doing at the time, the bottom falling out that season was likely to happen anyway because of the guy coaching the team.

Agreed that Wojo was a bad coach who didn't make in game adjustments. But the tanking statement is pretty false, the majority of Wojos years he was average in Feb March and given that we're also making 18-19 a better year this becomes less accurate. I'm not saying it's strong but this is a overstated idea.

Feb/March
2021: 5-4
2020: 3-6
2019: 4-5
2018: 5-3
2017: 5-4
2016: 4-5
2015: 2-7

So in the end, I don't even consider the possibility that Wojo gets a 2 or 3 seed and wins a couple of games because it wasn't likely to happen anyway - even if Joey doesn't complain.

That's fine but that's not the scenario he created. Even with your scenario the question becomes would we have won one more game? If we had we win a share of the Big East and return the Hausers for another year and you can go from there. 

In the end the scenario presents Wojo as a successful coach who is set up for success the following year. I'm glad Shaka is our coach as he's much much better but it's absurd to say "thank god our coach wasn't good or else he'd still be here" it creates a paradox where you're rooting against someone whether they succeed or fail.

[avid1010]

No one should blame a college kid for transferring...especially when they realized Wojo was a sh1t coach. 

[MU82]

You know ... I was just thinking that what Scoop really needed was another thread about Wojo and the Hausers.

[avid1010]

You know ... I was just thinking that what Scoop really needed was another thread about Wojo and the Hausers.

You want to talk about it?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Nah. That was Brian Butch.

Sorry. I just saw someone else made the comment first.

I love a good Butch joke but I have to admit he's a very good announcer. I was fully prepared to rip on him the first time he announced one of our games, and it caused me great cognitive dissonance, but not only does he not suck at it, he's actually very good at it. Like I get a bit disappointed if he isn't calling our game at this point. Maybe I shouldn't be admitting this publicly but it's true, and the truth will always set you free.

[Lennys Tap]

So quitting one profession to start another profession isn't quitting?

Anyone who thinks someone who retires from one profession to pursue another is a "quitter" is an idiot.

[oldwarrior81]

everyone here should know that this is the only acceptable Brian Butch photo for Scoopers.

[forgetful]

Louisivlle had a guy who transferred away and back pretty recently. Can't recall his name but I'm pretty certain we played him in the NYC tourney a few years back. Cincy also had a backup center who went to a mid-major and then transferred back. Can't remember his name either.

It's rare, but it happens.

If Shaka thought he was a fit, I would gladly take Dawson back. I don't think he is a fit. Yes, Shaka recruited him at Texas but he wasn't running violence down there.

Akoy Agau returned for 2018-19 season. Went from Louisville, to Georgetown, to Southern Methodist, and back to Louisville. Forgot he went to so many schools, thought it was just Louisville and Georgetown, but was the first name that came to my mind too.

[Lennys Tap]

You know ... I was just thinking that what Scoop really needed was another thread about Wojo and the Hausers.

Ironic, Mike.

[pbiflyer]

Just talked to Dawson. Said he was giving up basketball to give himself more time to devote to reading the scintillating repartee that is scoop. He said he was worried he'd miss a minute of the in depth brilliance here.
Missing out of that would be way worse than missing out on millions of dollars from the NBA.

[GooooMarquette]

Just talked to Dawson. Said he was giving up basketball to give himself more time to devote to reading the scintillating repartee that is scoop. He said he was worried he'd miss a minute of the in depth brilliance here.
Missing out of that would be way worse than missing out on millions of dollars from the NBA.

Explains a lot.

[MU82]

Ironic, Mike.

Huh? I'm pretty sure I'm not one who inserts Wojo and/or the Hausers into every other thread.

[bilsu]

Jim Chones: Quitter

I still remember how disappointed I was when it happened.

[Scoop Snoop]

I still remember how disappointed I was when it happened.

Me too. It really stung, didn't it?

[Lennys Tap]

Huh? I'm pretty sure I'm not one who inserts Wojo and/or the Hausers into every other thread.

I'm pretty sure you have more posts on the Hausers than anyone else on Scoop.

[MU82]

I'm pretty sure you have more posts on the Hausers than anyone else on Scoop.

Maybe, maybe not. Either way, almost all of those I have are in this thread:

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60964.0

You know, the Hauser Brothers Thread.

I accept your apology.

[lawdog77]

I thought I read somewhere that when the one time "free" transfer was implemented, it was a transfer as last resort, meaning if you were to transfer again, you have to sit out the following year, no exceptions.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Anyone who thinks someone who retires from one profession to pursue another is a "quitter" is an idiot.

Retiring isn't quitting? Good to know.

[Jamo]

Agreed that Wojo was a bad coach who didn't make in game adjustments. But the tanking statement is pretty false, the majority of Wojos years he was average in Feb March and given that we're also making 18-19 a better year this becomes less accurate. I'm not saying it's strong but this is a overstated idea.

Feb/March
2021: 5-4
2020: 3-6
2019: 4-5
2018: 5-3
2017: 5-4
2016: 4-5
2015: 2-7

That's fine but that's not the scenario he created. Even with your scenario the question becomes would we have won one more game? If we had we win a share of the Big East and return the Hausers for another year and you can go from there. 

In the end the scenario presents Wojo as a successful coach who is set up for success the following year. I'm glad Shaka is our coach as he's much much better but it's absurd to say "thank god our coach wasn't good or else he'd still be here" it creates a paradox where you're rooting against someone whether they succeed or fail.

Are people really still carrying water for Steve?

[Galway Eagle]

Are people really still carrying water for Steve?

Sure if you can't comprehend that I'm arguing for an intellectually honest argument and ignore these lines

"Agreed that Wojo was a bad coach who didn't make in game adjustments."

"I'm glad Shaka is our coach as he's much much better"

Then it's easy to pretend that I was supporting Wojo.

[THRILLHO]

Are people really still carrying water for Steve?

No, read better.

[Jamo]

Sure if you can't comprehend that I'm arguing for an intellectually honest argument and ignore these lines

"Agreed that Wojo was a bad coach who didn't make in game adjustments."

"I'm glad Shaka is our coach as he's much much better"

Then it's easy to pretend that I was supporting Wojo.

Ha, true I am not sure I can comprehend of your honestly and intellect, but you posted a 28-34 record for Steve's second trips thru conference like it was anything other than an indictment of his coaching ability. Kinda carrying water, but that's my opinion maybe not your intent.

[Galway Eagle]

Ha, true I am not sure I can comprehend of your honestly and intellect, but you posted a 28-34 record for Steve's second trips thru conference like it was anything other than an indictment of his coaching ability. Kinda carrying water, but that's my opinion maybe not your intent.

I said the majority of the season were average. I broke it down season by season. 4 were within a game of .500, 1 was 2 games above .500. By incorporating the seasons as a total you are purposely misrepresenting what I said as I made no attempt to say they were all strong and 2015 & 2020 were particularly terrible. But saying year in and year our his February and March conference slates were always collapses isnt as true as Joparks assumed.

There's plenty of reasons I dislike Wojo as a coach, particularly the lack of adjustments, over reliance on isolation, major players transferring etc. but if you can't comprehend the paradox Ners' is setting up by arguing that we're blessed he didn't win then I don't know what to say.

[BobWildLoyalist]

Dawson strikes me a bit of a whiny biotch.  But I also wish him the best.  He's just a kid.

He's 20 years old. Dudes a full grown man. When you play D1 college sports and over the age of 18 you're an adult.

[Spotcheck Billy]

I thought I read somewhere that when the one time "free" transfer was implemented, it was a transfer as last resort, meaning if you were to transfer again, you have to sit out the following year, no exceptions.

That is my understanding also. The people crying chicken little that this will repeat every year are overreacting IMO. I think this year was an anomaly, yes more will transfer, once.