Dawson

[Elonsmusk]

He may have the distinction of being the most disliked player at two schools. Not surprising at MU given the combination of high expectations and the perception/reality that he had a big hand in derailing one season down the stretch and bright prospects for the next over an unwarranted sense of entitlement.

Personally, I'm grateful Joey Hauser came to MU and I have ZERO resentment toward him or Sam.  They both ultimately said what needed to be said and shone the bright light of indictment on Wojo as a Head Coach.  IF* and it is a big if, that season had not imploded, and we actually won a game or two in the NCAA tournament - Wojo is still probably the head coach at MU.  I think even the biggest Wojo supporters would agree that Shaka is a much better coach and the program is in much better shape as a result of hiring Shaka/moving on from Wojo.

As for Dawson, if the rumor is true, he and his family made a decision as to what was best for him.  Perhaps there was some off-court/personal issues he was dealing with and heading back home is whats best.  No need to pile on the kid (much like Joey), for making a decision to move on/change his scenery.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Nah, has that ever happened in the history of college basketball?

Louisivlle had a guy who transferred away and back pretty recently. Can't recall his name but I'm pretty certain we played him in the NYC tourney a few years back. Cincy also had a backup center who went to a mid-major and then transferred back. Can't remember his name either.

It's rare, but it happens.

If Shaka thought he was a fit, I would gladly take Dawson back. I don't think he is a fit. Yes, Shaka recruited him at Texas but he wasn't running violence down there.

[The Sultan]

Louisivlle had a guy who transferred away and back pretty recently. Can't recall his name but I'm pretty certain we played him in the NYC tourney a few years back. Cincy also had a backup center who went to a mid-major and then transferred back. Can't remember his name either.

It's rare, but it happens.

If Shaka thought he was a fit, I would gladly take Dawson back. I don't think he is a fit. Yes, Shaka recruited him at Texas but he wasn't running violence down there.

That's cause he wasn't in Milwaukee ai'ina?

[BrewCity83]

Cincy also had a backup center who went to a mid-major and then transferred back. Can't remember his name either.

Hmmmm....Cincy backup center, transferred to a mid-major...Chris Vogt?

[Galway Eagle]

Personally, I'm grateful Joey Hauser came to MU and I have ZERO resentment toward him or Sam.  They both ultimately said what needed to be said and shone the bright light of indictment on Wojo as a Head Coach.  IF* and it is a big if, that season had not imploded, and we actually won a game or two in the NCAA tournament - Wojo is still probably the head coach at MU.  I think even the biggest Wojo supporters would agree that Shaka is a much better coach and the program is in much better shape as a result of hiring Shaka/moving on from Wojo.

As for Dawson, if the rumor is true, he and his family made a decision as to what was best for him.  Perhaps there was some off-court/personal issues he was dealing with and heading back home is whats best.  No need to pile on the kid (much like Joey), for making a decision to move on/change his scenery.

What? So if Wojo had success and a tournament run that would've been bad?

I mean doesn't that essentially mean that no matter what he did you weren't going to be happy? I agree I'm thrilled Shakas our coach but this "logic" seems a bit odd.

[Uncle Rico]

What? So if Wojo had success and a tournament run that would've been bad?

I mean doesn't that essentially mean that no matter what he did you weren't going to be happy? I agree I'm thrilled Shakas our coach but this "logic" seems a bit odd.

If anything, tournament success would have been fun and probably gotten Wojo another gig.

[Jay Bee]

Nah, has that ever happened in the history of college basketball?

Certainly.

Current year HM example: Payton Willis returning to Minnesota

[Elonsmusk]

What? So if Wojo had success and a tournament run that would've been bad?

I mean doesn't that essentially mean that no matter what he did you weren't going to be happy? I agree I'm thrilled Shakas our coach but this "logic" seems a bit odd.

It would have been fools gold if he did make the NCAA, but in turn would have bought him more time at MU which would have meant more mediocrity. 

The fact that season imploded like it did ultimately lands squarely on his shoulders as the Coach needs to manage egos and a locker room.  The Hausers letter/leaving provided additional evidence that he didn't have that skill either.  End of the day its been vanilla soft serve for some of our fanbase to pile on Joey and Sam.  The complete lack of team basketball played under Wojo deserved to be called out.

[Galway Eagle]

It would have been fools gold if he did make the NCAA, but in turn would have bought him more time at MU which would have meant more mediocrity. 

The fact that season imploded like it did ultimately lands squarely on his shoulders as the Coach needs to manage egos and a locker room.  The Hausers letter/leaving provided additional evidence that he didn't have that skill either.  End of the day its been vanilla soft serve for some of our fanbase to pile on Joey and Sam.  The complete lack of team basketball played under Wojo deserved to be called out.

So we win a big east regular season title, likely make the tournament as a 2 or 3 seed, win a game or two in the tournament, and then return everyone where we have another fantastic season. Where's the mediocrity there?

I agree it lands on the coach, he needed to go because he couldn't handle it.

But your argument is essentially thanking fate that he didn't get it together, I mean had handled it leading to a season of at least 25 wins, at least the regular season Big East title, a round of 32 or sweet 16, a following season much better than the 6-8 seed we were on pace to receive. Any recruiting bump that would've followed. You're saying that all that tangible success would've been fools gold.

I'm glad that wojos not the coach anymore but a coach is paid to win, if he won that's proof he's doing what he's paid to do. You're saying thank god he didn't win which means even if he did win you still didn't want him. It shows you were against Wojo no matter what.

[Pakuni]

2 quitters.

Are Kuath, Morsell and Kolek also quitters?

[jfp61]

Are Kuath, Morsell and Kolek also quitters?

I mean they finished the year out. I assuming all i well with his family. He bailed

[Elonsmusk]

So we win a big east regular season title, likely make the tournament as a 2 or 3 seed, win a game or two in the tournament, and then return everyone where we have another fantastic season. Where's the mediocrity there?

I agree it lands on the coach, he needed to go because he couldn't handle it.

But your argument is essentially thanking fate that he didn't get it together, I mean had handled it leading to a season of at least 25 wins, at least the regular season Big East title, a round of 32 or sweet 16, a following season much better than the 6-8 seed we were on pace to receive. Any recruiting bump that would've followed. You're saying that all that tangible success would've been fools gold.

I'm glad that wojos not the coach anymore but a coach is paid to win, if he won that's proof he's doing what he's paid to do. You're saying thank god he didn't win which means even if he did win you still didn't want him. It shows you were against Wojo no matter what.

Agree to disagree.  We are both speculating. 

[GooooMarquette]

Personally, I'm grateful Joey Hauser came to MU and I have ZERO resentment toward him or Sam.  They both ultimately said what needed to be said and shone the bright light of indictment on Wojo as a Head Coach.  IF* and it is a big if, that season had not imploded, and we actually won a game or two in the NCAA tournament - Wojo is still probably the head coach at MU.  I think even the biggest Wojo supporters would agree that Shaka is a much better coach and the program is in much better shape as a result of hiring Shaka/moving on from Wojo.

As for Dawson, if the rumor is true, he and his family made a decision as to what was best for him.  Perhaps there was some off-court/personal issues he was dealing with and heading back home is whats best.  No need to pile on the kid (much like Joey), for making a decision to move on/change his scenery.

You might wanna watch all those hypotheticals; you're gonna need a boot if you trip over them....

[muwarrior69]

I don't think Al McGuire was a loser

Al didn't quit, he retired from coaching and got a great gig as a color analyst.

[Galway Eagle]

Agree to disagree.  We are both speculating.

I literally can't even handle this. Id rather argue education costs and certain graduate salaries with Fluffy.

[Viper]

I thought that was Brian Butch.

[MomofMUltiples]

JB beat me on the Payton Willis example.  i think the Joey hate (or maybe just my joey hate) is more intense because he took Sam with him, who was a great contributor, seemed to love MU and was Markus's best friend before "family came first."  I didn't mind seeing Joey go, but damn, I still miss Sam to this day.

[Miss Katie’s]

JB beat me on the Payton Willis example.  i think the Joey hate (or maybe just my joey hate) is more intense because he took Sam with him, who was a great contributor, seemed to love MU and was Markus's best friend before "family came first."  I didn't mind seeing Joey go, but damn, I still miss Sam to this day.

+1

I really liked Sam. 

[Uncle Rico]

JB beat me on the Payton Willis example.  i think the Joey hate (or maybe just my joey hate) is more intense because he took Sam with him, who was a great contributor, seemed to love MU and was Markus's best friend before "family came first."  I didn't mind seeing Joey go, but damn, I still miss Sam to this day.

Nah.  The Joey hate all stems from Marquette fans celebrating him and Sam leaving since it proved some point. 

Dawson leaving?  Ok, don't let the door hit yeah.  Sam and Joey leaving?  Can't blame them or something

[Elonsmusk]

Nah.  The Joey hate all stems from Marquette fans celebrating him and Sam leaving since it proved some point. 

Dawson leaving?  Ok, don't let the door hit yeah.  Sam and Joey leaving?  Can't blame them or something

Saw you commented here and was fully expecting a "yes," which by the way has proven to be really funny.  Well done.

[Newsdreams]

JB beat me on the Payton Willis example.  i think the Joey hate (or maybe just my joey hate) is more intense because he took Sam with him, who was a great contributor, seemed to love MU and was Markus's best friend before "family came first."  I didn't mind seeing Joey go, but damn, I still miss Sam to this day.

This

[joparks]

So we win a big east regular season title, likely make the tournament as a 2 or 3 seed, win a game or two in the tournament, and then return everyone where we have another fantastic season. Where's the mediocrity there?

I agree it lands on the coach, he needed to go because he couldn't handle it.

But your argument is essentially thanking fate that he didn't get it together, I mean had handled it leading to a season of at least 25 wins, at least the regular season Big East title, a round of 32 or sweet 16, a following season much better than the 6-8 seed we were on pace to receive. Any recruiting bump that would've followed. You're saying that all that tangible success would've been fools gold.

I'm glad that wojos not the coach anymore but a coach is paid to win, if he won that's proof he's doing what he's paid to do. You're saying thank god he didn't win which means even if he did win you still didn't want him. It shows you were against Wojo no matter what.

Here are my thoughts.  You assume that if Joey had just kept his mouth shut, they would have breezed through the season into a 2-3 seed and then won a few games.   In your eyes, the only reason the team tanked and then later imploded was because Joey, while you dismiss your own (likely) and everyone else's observation that season that their offense was Hero Ball and the coach did nothing to reign it in.  IMO, the implosion was inevitable for one and two, Wojo never showed an ability to adjust his game plan once the coaches in the BE figured him out which is why his February and March results were so weak.  What I'm saying is that Wojo's coaching style or lack thereof was the reason for the tanking.  Despite how well they were doing at the time, the bottom falling out that season was likely to happen anyway because of the guy coaching the team. 

So in the end, I don't even consider the possibility that Wojo gets a 2 or 3 seed and wins a couple of games because it wasn't likely to happen anyway - even if Joey doesn't complain.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I mean they finished the year out. I assuming all i well with his family. He bailed

Jim Chones: Quitter

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Al didn't quit, he retired from coaching and got a great gig as a color analyst.

So quitting one profession to start another profession isn't quitting?

[Newsdreams]

So quitting one profession to start another profession isn't quitting?

He left, hey.