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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on July 23, 2021, 12:38:46 PM
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May as well have a thread for it right?
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Looking forward to many Olympic events and competitors.
Hawaii’s Carissa Moore in surfing. (4 time World Champion). Nice touch as she introduced herself to the people of Makinohara, and gave a short speech, all in Japanese.
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My take so far:
1. Handball more interesting than I thought.
2. 3x3 basketball significantly less interesting than I thought.
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Local kid here is on the Olympic skateboard team.
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The dudes recreating all the sport emojis at the opening ceremonies was pretty awesome.
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USA/France volleyball was a nice surprise. It's probably my loss, but I just can't get into the individual events outside of track and field.
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Tried watching the men's qualifying in gymnastics.
NBC is definitely borrowing the Australian feed for this. The commentators have Aussie accents and they aren't covering the Americans any more than the other competing countries (Australia was in another round). They are only showing 1-2 Team USA routines per rotation, and completely skipped over the 1st rotation.
Also, they are breaking into the coverage every time an Australian swimmer is in a qualifying heat
I wouldn't care so much if the description of this particular clip hadn't promised "full coverage" of the American team.
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Gold and Silver for USA in 400 IM Men’s Swimming.
Chase Kalisz Gold
Jay Litherland Silver
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My take so far:
1. Handball more interesting than I thought.
Water Polo I feel like always gets the "underrated" buzz during the Summer Olympics, but Handball is super fun to watch. Tons of action, fast paced, and interesting. Also kind of funny that the US doesn't play handball by and large, but I would wager you could very easily put together a team of failed NBA/MLB/NFL guys and create a pretty dominant handball squad. Unlike a lot of sports the US isn't good at or familiar with, handball seems to be the most similar to sports that most American kids played and would be an easy transition.
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Tried watching the men's qualifying in gymnastics.
NBC is definitely borrowing the Australian feed for this. The commentators have Aussie accents and they aren't covering the Americans any more than the other competing countries (Australia was in another round). They are only showing 1-2 Team USA routines per rotation, and completely skipped over the 1st rotation.
Also, they are breaking into the coverage every time an Australian swimmer is in a qualifying heat
I wouldn't care so much if the description of this particular clip hadn't promised "full coverage" of the American team.
The prime time Men’s Gymnastics coverage are the usual American broadcasters, NBC feed, not International Feed. (Gannon, Daggett, Liukin)
The endless commercials missing different key live events has been worse than getting the International Feed at times.
First Women’s 100 Fly Semifinals Live was missed because they were running commercials. That was bad.
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Gold and Silver for USA in 400 IM Men’s Swimming.
Chase Kalisz Gold
Jay Litherland Silver
Kieran Smith, USA Bronze 400 Men’s Free
Wow. Ahmed Hafnaoui Gold for Tunisia.
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I guess you have to get "Peacock" to watch men's basketball? Oh. well.
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Interesting choice to play Beach Volleyball in an indoor arena. Seems like a poor use of facilities when they could have played outdoors with temporary stands.
Edit: NM, looks like it is actually outdoors, but they are playing at night. They have much more seating than I am used to seeing for this sport.
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I guess you have to get "Peacock" to watch men's basketball? Oh. well.
It was in nbc sports app. USA choke job.
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Men’s basketball about to go down in their opener. Pop continues as an absolute disaster as our national coach.
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Yikes. What happened???
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Yikes. What happened???
France scored more points.
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Yikes. What happened???
Terrible shooting and Holiday, who showed up at like 1:30 Tokyo time was the only one playing defense.
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Terrible shooting and Holiday, who showed up at like 1:30 Tokyo time was the only one playing defense.
Coaching change time?
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Water Polo I feel like always gets the "underrated" buzz during the Summer Olympics, but Handball is super fun to watch. Tons of action, fast paced, and interesting. Also kind of funny that the US doesn't play handball by and large, but I would wager you could very easily put together a team of failed NBA/MLB/NFL guys and create a pretty dominant handball squad. Unlike a lot of sports the US isn't good at or familiar with, handball seems to be the most similar to sports that most American kids played and would be an easy transition.
Agree completely on the US and handball. Overlapping skillsets with other major sport, and it looks like a sport most of us would have really liked as a kid. And it is simple, just need people and a ball.
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Agree completely on the US and handball. Overlapping skillsets with other major sport, and it looks like a sport most of us would have really liked as a kid. And it is simple, just need people and a ball.
Used to play it in high school gym class. It was awesome.
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My kids were impressed that I played water polo in college, until they found out inner tubes were involved. ;D
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My kids were impressed that I played water polo in college, until they found out inner tubes were involved. ;D
Ha, me too! We had the best team name: The Incredible Mr. Limpets.
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Agree completely on the US and handball. Overlapping skillsets with other major sport, and it looks like a sport most of us would have really liked as a kid. And it is simple, just need people and a ball.
We used to play in PE all the time in high school. I loved it.
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We used to play in PE all the time in high school. I loved it.
Used to play it in high school gym class. It was awesome.
Man, now I feel like my school failed us. We played Handball, but it was the raquetball-like derivative where you hit a ball against a wall using your hand.
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Man, now I feel like my school failed us. We played Handball, but it was the raquetball-like derivative where you hit a ball against a wall using your hand.
Actually, when we played it in school it was always called “team handball.” I always knew “handball” to be the racquetball-like sport.
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Actually, when we played it in school it was always called “team handball.” I always knew “handball” to be the racquetball-like sport.
Ditto. Nothing better than throwing the ball as hard as you could at something.
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The dudes recreating all the sport emojis at the opening ceremonies was pretty awesome.
I saw that, pretty cool. I wonder how much rehearsing that took.
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I watched the introductory episode of Olympic Highlights with Kevin Hart and Snoop Dogg.
It was just meh, but I did laugh when Snoop called a guy who had previously medaled in both Triple Jump and Long Jump "a Jesse Owens motherf*cker".
Maybe the actual recap episodes will be better.
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Wow. Lydia Jacoby, A 17 yr old from Alaska, just won gold in the 100m breast stroke. Alaska?? That's really cool no pun intended.
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Wow. Lydia Jacoby, A 17 yr old from Alaska, just won gold in the 100m breast stroke. Alaska?? That's really cool no pun intended.
She skated to the finish line.
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Jacoby saving the US from an underwhelming night.
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Wow. Lydia Jacoby, A 17 yr old from Alaska, just won gold in the 100m breast stroke. Alaska?? That's really cool no pun intended.
Its my understanding that up in Alaska during her practice swims they would throw in a hungry polar bear in the pool; just as an incentive.
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Jacoby saving the US from an underwhelming night.
It might be just me, but I am glad Lilly King did not win. She seems to be kind of a bully.
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Practiced by swimming to Russia and back.
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It might be just me, but I am glad Lilly King did not win. She seems to be kind of a bully.
I do hope she learned a lesson in humility.
Meanwhile complete disaster in women's gymnastics with Simone Biles dropping out.
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Lydia Jacoby of course is a Texas Swimming commit. Texas having a nice week.
Gold for Carissa Moore in surfing.
Bermuda gets gold in Women’s Triathalon.
Philippines gets a gold in Women’s Weightlifting.
Lots of great fun events.
Non regular NBC sports viewers are getting a good look at NBC sports television and streaming decisions.
Did people really think live Women’s Gymnastics was going to compete with endless commercial ad money for the Today Show on NBC? Not a chance. Welcome to Premier League Soccer, French Open Tennis and the other events they have.
Production quality of the Women’s Gymnastics today, shot choice etc wasn’t good either.
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Meanwhile complete disaster in women's gymnastics with Simone Biles dropping out.
Yeah, crazy.
Just read the account: "She had bailed out of the vault she had planned to do — a Yurchenko with 2½ twists, watering it down to 1½ twists. She stumbled out of the landing."
I empathize with her. I mean, I stumbled out of my Yurchenko with 2½ twists many a night as I exited the 'Lanche.
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Have I missed it, or has NBC's prime time coverage of men's gymnastics been pretending that the rings no longer exist? I haven't seen any, and I think I've watched most (if not all) the prime time coverage of men's gymnastics. I actually googled to see if rings is still among the men's events.
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Lydia Jacoby of course is a Texas Swimming commit. Texas having a nice week.
Gold for Carissa Moore in surfing.
Bermuda gets gold in Women’s Triathalon.
Philippines gets a gold in Women’s Weightlifting.
Lots of great fun events.
Non regular NBC sports viewers are getting a good look at NBC sports television and streaming decisions.
Did people really think live Women’s Gymnastics was going to compete with endless commercial ad money for the Today Show on NBC? Not a chance. Welcome to Premier League Soccer, French Open Tennis and the other events they have.
Production quality of the Women’s Gymnastics today, shot choice etc wasn’t good either.
Being laid up from surgery I've been watching a ton of Olympics coverage.
I watched the women's triathlon in the entirety. Very compelling until the run when Flora she just floored it. It was the Bermuda women's fourth Olympics and the announcers said Olympic experience in this event helps immensely.
The Philippine women was in lockdown, so was lifting big water cooler bottles and whatever she could rig up at home to keep up her training.
Most importantly, it was the first gold ever for Bermuda and the Philippines. That's a good story line.
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Being laid up from surgery I've been watching a ton of Olympics coverage.
I watched the women's triathlon in the entirety. Very compelling until the run when Flora she just floored it. It was the Bermuda women's fourth Olympics and the announcers said Olympic experience in this event helps immensely.
The Philippine women was in lockdown, so was lifting big water cooler bottles and whatever she could rig up at home to keep up her training.
Most importantly, it was the first gold ever for Bermuda and the Philippines. That's a good story line.
Hope you are doing well with your surgery.
I would like to see NBC do more to profile, highlight, speak with athletes from other countries as well.
There are many, many good stories and athletic achievements.
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I think NBC pulling an MLB and refusing to allow any highlights on Twitter was another colossal error. Especially with the time difference.
Interesting timing with Biles given all the minor controversy regarding how she's been handled by the judges. Obviously she would never purposefully tank the team but its all just interesting drama.
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Hope you are doing well with your surgery.
I would like to see NBC do more to profile, highlight, speak with athletes from other countries as well.
There are many, many good stories and athletic achievements.
I'm doing good. Worked from home last week and will go in the office part time this week.
They did a piece last night on British high diver Tom Daley who is in his 4th Olympics and his first appearance was in Beijing at age 14. He finally won his first gold medal as he and his dive partner beat the Chinese by 1 point.
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Is Biles out for all competition? Or just the team competition? I assume the person who finished 3rd on US's team will replace her?
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My oldest is a swimmer and was super excited to watch the swimming events. They are on at 5 am(which he us getting up to watch) or highlight only packages.
Very disappointed that peacock or nbcsn isn't showing events in their entirety on demand.
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My oldest is a swimmer and was super excited to watch the swimming events. They are on at 5 am(which he us getting up to watch) or highlight only packages.
Very disappointed that peacock or nbcsn isn't showing events in their entirety on demand.
Haven't a lot of the swimming events been live on NBC in the 8-10 PM window?
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Interesting timing with Biles given all the minor controversy regarding how she's been handled by the judges. Obviously she would never purposefully tank the team but its all just interesting drama.
This had nothing to do with judges or tanking. It is almost definitely not just "drama".
It is all about the complete and utter sexual corruption in USA Gymnastics. Biles was repeatedly sexually abused by Nasser and USA Gymnastics refused to acknowledge it. Bela Karoli was a monster who allowed sexual and physical abuse over the years.
Simone finally has dealt with the effects of that abuse just recently. "All those years, nobody ever told us what sexual abuse was," Biles said. "So we didn't really feel like we were going through it or victims."
According to Indianapolis Star, Nassar performed "osteopathic manipulation" on his patients. The practice involves doctors using their hands to diagnose illness and injury. In her experience, Biles said she initially had a difficult time admitting she had been abused.
"A lot of us didn't go to school, we were homeschooled. So it's not like we had a lot of people to talk about it with," she recalled . "I remember asking one of my friends, 'Hey, have I been sexually assaulted?' and I thought I was being dramatic at first, and she said, 'No, absolutely.' "
"I said, 'Are you sure? I don't think so,' " Biles recounted. "Because I feel like in those instances, I was one of the luckier ones because I didn't get it as bad as some of the other girls I knew."
After accepting she had been assaulted by Nassar, Biles began grappling with depression. "I was like super depressed, I didn't want to leave my room, and I didn't want to go anywhere. I kind of just shut everybody out. I don't know, it was probably hard for me," she said.
"I remember being on the phone with my agent, and telling my mom and my agent that I slept all the time," Biles said. "Because sleeping was better than offing myself. It was my way to escape reality. Sleeping was like the closest thing to death for me at that point, so I just slept all the time."
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Haven't a lot of the swimming events been live on NBC in the 8-10 PM window?
Just going off of what a 14 year old told me, tbh. ;D
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Is Biles out for all competition? Or just the team competition? I assume the person who finished 3rd on US's team will replace her?
She is taking it day to day to decide what she will do.
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What Biles is describing is not uncommon. Many victims of child abuse don't realize that what happened to them is abuse until they are told (and oftentimes retold several times) by someone else that it was abuse. Even if they were completely functional and unphased by it for years, when they finally have that realization, the delayed impact can be devastating.
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This continuing desire for NBC to treat the Olympics like a drama with highlights is maddening. What other network doesn't show sporting events live these days?
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This had nothing to do with judges or tanking. It is almost definitely not just "drama".
I'm not saying its manufactured drama or anything for show, but it is all very dramatic. Dramatic doesn't have to be negative. The greatest gymnast of all time dropping out of a team competition mid-way is dramatic, period.
And obviously I would never downplay mental health or victims of sexual abuse, but I'm not sure its fair to say thats what she was affected by specifically. After she has been an absolute supernova in the 3 years of competition, including sweeping the 2019 World Championships and nearly sweeping the Olympic trials since revealing she was a victim. There is an insane amount of spotlight on her and pressure on her going into this thats related to only her athletic achievements and legacy, much less any abuse. You could be completely right but I think its unfair to her to speculate on what mentally rattled her.
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Haven't a lot of the swimming events been live on NBC in the 8-10 PM window?
Many of the swimming semifinals and finals have been live USA time in the 9:30pm Eastern to 11:30pm Eastern time windows. That is mid-morning/lunch time in Tokyo.
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As an FYI the NBC Sports app has streamed virtually everything live, they just haven’t advertised it because peacock is as well but you have to pay for it.
All the Semis and medal races have been live in our prime time, most of the qualifying rounds have been in the middle of the night in the US.
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As an FYI the NBC Sports app has streamed virtually everything live, they just haven’t advertised it because peacock is as well but you have to pay for it.
Coverage hasn't been bad. But it's certainly been a disorganized mess of when & where to find things - especially if you're wanting to follow live.
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NBC has been running a lot of Live events on USA, CNBC, NBC Sports Network & The Olympic Channel.
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As an FYI the NBC Sports app has streamed virtually everything live, they just haven’t advertised it because peacock is as well but you have to pay for it.
All the Semis and medal races have been live in our prime time, most of the qualifying rounds have been in the middle of the night in the US.
I believe the same goes for their website as well as Xfinity. You can get live streams of each sport, just not with the American commentary, production packages, etc. Swimming seems to be the Australian broadcast.
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Newsflash: NBC Sports suck at broadcasting sports.
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Simone Biles said she withdrew from the women’s team final because she wasn’t in a good place mentally to compete after facing so much pressure to win.
Biles, Team U.S.A.’s star, said she had been struggling with the stress of being the greatest gymnast in history, and outside expectations were just too hard to combat. She said she was not certain whether she would compete again at the Tokyo Games.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/27/sports/olympics/russia-wins-gold-medal-gymnastics.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210727&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline®i_id=108420427&segment_id=64537&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa
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NBC going mad on YouTube and the rest of the internet to quash all highlights/images/videos/memes/etc.
I get it. They own the rights. But in the social media age, more exposure/access is good for your product.
Just look at NBA vs MLB
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Being laid up from surgery I've been watching a ton of Olympics coverage.
I watched the women's triathlon in the entirety. Very compelling until the run when Flora she just floored it. It was the Bermuda women's fourth Olympics and the announcers said Olympic experience in this event helps immensely.
The Philippine women was in lockdown, so was lifting big water cooler bottles and whatever she could rig up at home to keep up her training.
Most importantly, it was the first gold ever for Bermuda and the Philippines. That's a good story line.
Is that right? That's surprising to me. Don't they have a history of success in the combat sports? I thought for sure they'd have had at least a winning boxer or two over the years.
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Really a shame to hear about Biles.
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Is that right? That's surprising to me. Don't they have a history of success in the combat sports? I thought for sure they'd have had at least a winning boxer or two over the years.
She was the first.
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Its my understanding that up in Alaska during her practice swims they would throw in a hungry polar bear in the pool; just as an incentive.
That would work. I have yet to meet a polar bear that wasn't hungry. :)
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Is that right? That's surprising to me. Don't they have a history of success in the combat sports? I thought for sure they'd have had at least a winning boxer or two over the years.
A couple of silver and bronze medals (10 total in history) but this was the first gold.
She's 4-11, 121 pounds, and she threw up 280 pounds to win it.
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A couple of silver and bronze medals (10 total in history) but this was the first gold.
She's 4-11, 121 pounds, and she threw up 280 pounds to win it.
Damn....that's rather impressive.
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She's obviously incredibly accomplished and has cemented a great legacy, but Ledecky turning out to be one of the biggest hyped disappointments of the games. Not only has Titmus dominated her, but Ledecky was never even a remote medal contender in the 200 Free once the raced started.
The way Women's swimming is moving younger and younger, you have to think the days of Dara Torres and Jenny Thompson winning medals into their late 20s, much less their 30s, are over.
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When did Hong Kong start fielding their own team? And Siobhan Haughey could not be a more Irish name.
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She's obviously incredibly accomplished and has cemented a great legacy, but Ledecky turning out to be one of the biggest hyped disappointments of the games. Not only has Titmus dominated her, but Ledecky was never even a remote medal contender in the 200 Free once the raced started.
The way Women's swimming is moving younger and younger, you have to think the days of Dara Torres and Jenny Thompson winning medals into their late 20s, much less their 30s, are over.
It wasn't that long ago where you were an old woman at 20 in Women's swimming. One of my competitors, Tracy Caulkins, held four world records by the time she was 15. She was supposed to compete in the 1980 Olympics, when she was 17, but you know what happened there. By the time 1984 rolled around, she was well past her peak, as were most of her contemporaries.
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Bruce Springsteen’s daughter is on the Olympic equestrian team? Hilarious. You’ve come a long way from the swamps of Jersey, Bruce!
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When did Hong Kong start fielding their own team? And Siobhan Haughey could not be a more Irish name.
Enjoy it while it lasts...
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She's obviously incredibly accomplished and has cemented a great legacy, but Ledecky turning out to be one of the biggest hyped disappointments of the games. Not only has Titmus dominated her, but Ledecky was never even a remote medal contender in the 200 Free once the raced started.
The way Women's swimming is moving younger and younger, you have to think the days of Dara Torres and Jenny Thompson winning medals into their late 20s, much less their 30s, are over.
I don't think Ledecky was favored in those events? She's best in the distance events.
BTW, they never talk about it, but the greatest Olympic individual performance ever is probably Heiden in 1980.
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She's obviously incredibly accomplished and has cemented a great legacy, but Ledecky turning out to be one of the biggest hyped disappointments of the games. Not only has Titmus dominated her, but Ledecky was never even a remote medal contender in the 200 Free once the raced started.
The way Women's swimming is moving younger and younger, you have to think the days of Dara Torres and Jenny Thompson winning medals into their late 20s, much less their 30s, are over.
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Ledecky’s 400 time was the 3rd fastest in history. It’s the 2nd fastest she has ever done it. (She also holds the World Record for it)
She just crushed the 1500 for Gold. (Great job by UT’s Erica Sullivan for Silver) She is expected to win 800 Gold. And she has another chance in the relay.
Only Michael Phelps (13) has won more individual swimming Olympic Gold Medals than Ledecky’s 5. (tied with Krisztina Egerszegi.)
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It wasn't that long ago where you were an old woman at 20 in Women's swimming. One of my competitors, Tracy Caulkins, held four world records by the time she was 15. She was supposed to compete in the 1980 Olympics, when she was 17, but you know what happened there. By the time 1984 rolled around, she was well past her peak, as were most of her contemporaries.
Janet Evans, Amanda Beard, Katie Grimes, Lia Neal, Anita Nall. So many teens who have made the US team.
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Biles withdraws from individual all around. Disappointed for her, she's a great role model for little gymnasts (like my 6 year old.)
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Biles withdraws from individual all around. Disappointed for her, she's a great role model for little gymnasts (like my 6 year old.)
Extremely disappointing. Shocking really, she was the face for the entire USA Olympicc team.
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I applaud her being open and honest about her mental and emotional struggles.
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What happened during her vault was very scary. It was like she was sleepwalking and suddenly woke up in the middle of the air and had no idea where she was.
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Gonna cost her millions, aina?
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Gonna cost her millions, aina?
Nah, she's going on tour with a gymnastics crew this fall charging minimum of $60 per ticket at the fiserv. She'll be fine.
(Anyone have any sidework for this guy to cover this ish, hey)
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The backlash to Biles online - and the snark in here - sure is something
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I applaud her being open and honest about her mental and emotional struggles.
I don't think we know all the facts surrounding this situation. She certainly has every right to focus on her mental health and I'm not accusing her of quitting like some. At the same time the timing does bother me a bit as it was during the team competition.
It sounds to me that she was concerned about getting a physical injury although she was apparently okay. We're also talking about a 24 yr old woman who has a "goat" sewn on her leotard and has profited tremendously from her talent and sport. Deservedly so, I might add. The point is the stress and pressures are there with all athletes at the top of their sport and she has dealt with this for some time.
Again, something very specific and very bad may have happened when she got to Tokyo or right before the Olympics. Or possibly not, there's no way to know at this juncture. I have a hard time believing she just bailed because she didn't have her best stuff as some are suggesting. Anyway, it's very unfortunate. She's an incredible athlete.
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I don't think we know all the facts surrounding this situation. She certainly has every right to focus on her mental health and I'm not accusing her of quitting like some. At the same time the timing does bother me a bit as it was during the team competition.
It sounds to me that she was concerned about getting a physical injury although she was apparently okay. We're also talking about a 24 yr old woman who has a "goat" sewn on her leotard and has profited tremendously from her talent and sport. Deservedly so, I might add. The point is the stress and pressures are there with all athletes at the top of their sport and she has dealt with this for some time.
Again, something very specific and very bad may have happened when she got to Tokyo or right before the Olympics. Or possibly not, there's no way to know at this juncture. I have a hard time believing she just bailed because she didn't have her best stuff as some are suggesting. Anyway, it's very unfortunate. She's an incredible athlete.
Muggsy - people are losing their crap at restaurants because something didnt go their way after living through the last year.
Does an athlete that is under a constant microscope really need 'something specific'?
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What happened during her vault was very scary. It was like she was sleepwalking and suddenly woke up in the middle of the air and had no idea where she was.
And, it wasn’t just that one event. And, it wasn’t just one day.
She had similar challenges her previous day of competition at the Olympics, as well as while she competed at the Trials last month.
It’s been going on a while.
It’s already very physically dangerous to do what they do, speed, degree of difficulty, body positioning, etc..let alone if someone is not mentally, emotionally, physically 100%. Biles has several elements names after her because she invented so many things others can’t do.
She has won 25 medals. 23 Gold. Incredible.
(That doesn’t mean bad people, self serving economic grifters, etc won’t say and do bad things.) Some decent but ignorant media people keep saying it isn’t a medical issue. It’s 2021 people, mental health is a medical issue no different than a physical injury.
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Too bad she didn't act on her mental health prior to taking up a spot on the team. Deprived another gymnast from competing, hey?
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Too bad she didn't act on her mental health prior to taking up a spot on the team. Deprived another gymnast from competing, hey?
gotta be sleep deprived those cardboard beds that were "eco-friendly" and discouraged "extra curricular night time "sporting" events even though they handed out 160,000 ram skins
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Ledecky’s 400 time was the 3rd fastest in history. It’s the 2nd fastest she has ever done it. (She also holds the World Record for it)
She just crushed the 1500 for Gold. (Great job by UT’s Erica Sullivan for Silver) She is expected to win 800 Gold. And she has another chance in the relay.
Only Michael Phelps (13) has won more individual swimming Olympic Gold Medals than Ledecky’s 5. (tied with Krisztina Egerszegi.)
Thanks for the final point ignoring the beginning of my statement.
I complimented her cause she performed just fine and she has nothing to prove even if she never swam again. NBC spent the beginning of the Olympic coverage earlier in the week talking about 5 golds and making runs at Phelps. Even though she wasn't the favorite in the 400 and the 200 has never been her best event. My beef is more the overblown coverage and story pounding of NBC I suppose. Its not like Ledecky came in hyping herself. Even the commentators had to pivot multiple times into saying that Titmus was actually the favorite compared to everything pre-prepared about Ledecky that made it seem like she was the odds on fav in every event she was swimming.
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Biles withdraws from individual all around. Disappointed for her, she's a great role model for little gymnasts (like my 6 year old.)
I think she had to withdraw. You can't choose not to compete with your teammates and then to compete for yourself a day later without facing some backlash. I don't want to imply anything negative about her, but even if she got over whatever it was that caused her to stop in the team event, it would tarnish her reputation if she competed in the individual events.
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What happened during her vault was very scary. It was like she was sleepwalking and suddenly woke up in the middle of the air and had no idea where she was.
Very. My wife was like, did you see her face/eyes, that was scary. She didn’t trust herself which could have caused grave injury and cost the team a chance at success. While her withdrawal might seem selfish, it might be the complete opposite.
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gotta be sleep deprived those cardboard beds that were "eco-friendly" and discouraged "extra curricular night time "sporting" events even though they handed out 160,000 ram skins
I’d have thought you had embarrassed yourself enough
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I’d have thought you had embarrassed yourself enough
If he hasn't by this point, it's never happening.
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Thanks for the final point ignoring the beginning of my statement.
I complimented her cause she performed just fine and she has nothing to prove even if she never swam again. NBC spent the beginning of the Olympic coverage earlier in the week talking about 5 golds and making runs at Phelps. Even though she wasn't the favorite in the 400 and the 200 has never been her best event. My beef is more the overblown coverage and story pounding of NBC I suppose. Its not like Ledecky came in hyping herself. Even the commentators had to pivot multiple times into saying that Titmus was actually the favorite compared to everything pre-prepared about Ledecky that made it seem like she was the odds on fav in every event she was swimming.
You said she was one of the biggest hyped disappointments of the Olympics.
If winning the 1500 Gold, 400 Silver (3rd fastest time ever), 5th in 200 is a disappointment, everyone would love to be disappointed daily. (She hasn’t even yet raced the 800, or the relay yet.) You made your comments before Ledecky was even half way through her Olympic events.
(Titmus won the 400 at the 2019 World Championships. And it was well known she was favored in both the 400, and heavily favored in the 200, including from NBC.) Ledecky was very happy with her 400 after the race.
Swimming the 200, 400, 800, 1500, and relay all in one Olympics?
Winning Gold in the 1500 an hour after your previous race? Swim 5000M then do 200 and 1500 in an hour. Wow.
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A really good take from the National Review.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-cdcs-unforced-error/
"That sounds like the phenomenon at work in Biles’s recent decisions: Physically she was fine, but emotionally and psychologically, she just wasn’t where she needed to be. And a gymnast who can’t concentrate properly is a gymnast at a much higher level of serious injury. If she didn’t think she would be at her best, or even close to her best, then withdrawing was the right decision. And this year’s Olympic games are just different — all of the athletes have lived through an extra year of training, waiting, and hype, all of the virus protocols and social distancing, no fans in the stands. I think Dominic Pino made some strong points about the value of coaching in keeping a top-tier athlete mentally prepared and emotionally durable. And for at least 14 years, the team doctor for USA Gymnastics was basically Hannibal Lecter. As the Wall Street Journal reported, “An examination of USA Gymnastics’ response to the allegations shows the federation ignored the possibility that its brightest star had been sexually abused while in its care, walled her off from investigations, and she didn’t know it for years.”
With that said, it’s really hard to overstate what a shock it is, and how legitimately disappointing it is, to watch the athlete who’s been the centerpiece of the coverage of the Games suddenly decline to compete at the last second. She is this Olympic’s Michael Phelps, Carl Lewis, Jackie Joyner-Kersee, Mary Lou Retton, smiling out at us from the Wheaties Box. She was capable of handling the pressure four years ago in Rio. And now, her Tokyo Olympics legacy is a dramatic underperformance in the all-around qualifiers and a shocking early withdrawal. It does raise the question whether NBC, and other institutions that heavily cover the U.S. Olympic team, established an ever-accelerating cycle of hype that wasn’t good for Biles and wasn’t good for all of the lesser-known U.S. athletes, either."
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Muggsy - people are losing their crap at restaurants because something didnt go their way after living through the last year.
Does an athlete that is under a constant microscope really need 'something specific'?
No, she doesn't need something specific, but the fact is we are all speculating and have no idea. That's my gut feeling is all I'm saying.
As far as living under the microscope this is a woman that has thoroughly dominated her sport seemingly forever. Again, she has profited and certainly enjoyed aspects of the attention by embracing "goat" memes and endorsements.
She's dealt with similar pressure for like a decade and has probably been the best in gymnastics competitions since she could walk. She always appeared happy and very together during these times, the change seems dramatic to me. Maybe it was the culmination of a tough year but it would not surprise me if something very serious happened to her.
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With that said, it’s really hard to overstate what a shock it is, and how legitimately disappointing it is, to watch the athlete who’s been the centerpiece of the coverage of the Games suddenly decline to compete at the last second. She is this Olympic’s Michael Phelps, Carl Lewis, Jackie Joyner-Kersee, Mary Lou Retton, smiling out at us from the Wheaties Box. She was capable of handling the pressure four years ago in Rio. And now, her Tokyo Olympics legacy is a dramatic underperformance in the all-around qualifiers and a shocking early withdrawal. It does raise the question whether NBC, and other institutions that heavily cover the U.S. Olympic team, established an ever-accelerating cycle of hype that wasn’t good for Biles and wasn’t good for all of the lesser-known U.S. athletes, either."
This is a good take. And my follow up to the bolded is, "what am I supposed to do with this realization?" I am old enough to remember when the sin was not paying sufficient attention to world class women athletes, and not giving them their due compared to men. But when those lights shine brightly, I am supposed to say, "It is great that the best athlete in the world is walking away on the eve of her sport's largest competition. I guess I will watch just as intently." That's not going to happen. Same applies to the Osaka situation.
I guess I'm just shaking my fist at the sky, because my honest reaction really is "Good for Biles. Only she knows if that was what she had to do." But the bright lights that force these athletes' withdrawal are the natural consequence of what they've been fighting for - our eyeballs and admiration.
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...the fact is we are all speculating and have no idea.
Could have stopped there.
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This is a good take. And my follow up to the bolded is, "what am I supposed to do with this realization?" I am old enough to remember when the sin was not paying sufficient attention to world class women athletes, and not giving them their due compared to men. But when those lights shine brightly, I am supposed to say, "It is great that the best athlete in the world is walking away on the eve of her sport's largest competition. I guess I will watch just as intently." That's not going to happen. Same applies to the Osaka situation.
I guess I'm just shaking my fist at the sky, because my honest reaction really is "Good for Biles. Only she knows if that was what she had to do." But the bright lights that force these athletes' withdrawal are the natural consequence of what they've been fighting for - our eyeballs and admiration.
I think it is an assumption, by both the NR and yourself, that it is simply "the bright lights that force these athletes' withdrawl."
Look at some of the disgusting narratives that have come out about Biles since yesterday, and ask yourself whether or not a male athlete would have faced something similar. Had Michael Phelps pulled out of a relay race four years ago, would he have been labelled a "sociopath?"
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I think it is an assumption, by both the NR and yourself, that it is simply "the bright lights that force these athletes' withdrawl."
Look at some of the disgusting narratives that have come out about Biles since yesterday, and ask yourself whether or not a male athlete would have faced something similar. Had Michael Phelps pulled out of a relay race four years ago, would he have been labelled a "sociopath?"
See, I do think that the narratives that would evolve around a male athlete would be equally venomous. Maybe in a different way due to the gender, but equally venomous. Look at what evolves around Paul George's playoff reputation. It would be that x1000. All are disgusting, but I don't think that Biles is treated worse in this respect because she's a woman.
And you're right that I'm assuming a strong, direct correlation between the attention/focus and the mental health struggle. But I didn't see a lot of toxicity around the mainstream narrative of Biles in the leadup to these games. I may be wrong, but it does seem an issue with the intensity of the attention, and not the tone.
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I applaud her being open and honest about her mental and emotional struggles.
Me too. I don't fault her at all for recognizing she wasn't mentally capable of performing. It takes a lot to make that decision on the world stage. But the treatment of her actions raises a lot of societal questions.
Should she be applauded as this making her even more the "GOAT," or people championing her as even a better teammate, because she cheered her teammates on. Which is something I see very commonly online. Maybe it is an artifact of my social circles, but I've seen no criticisms, and instead championing her as an ideal teammate and a hero for withdrawing.
What I would like to see is her admit this is a failure (maybe of no fault of her own; given extenuating circumstances), and to emphasize that as an athlete they need to be both physically and mentally prepared to deal with the stress and difficulty of a major competition. That she handled the physical part, but neglected the mental part, and that in the future she will do better.
We grow through failure. Someone who has succeeded at such a high level as her admitting that she too can fail would be a very powerful statement. I'd definitely 100% champion her for that. Especially if she ever came back and competed and went back to kicking the crap out of others.
All of us deal with major stress at times. If we fail to perform, most of us would be fired and it held against us forever. If a policeman was put into a life-saving situation and panicked and ran, he would be called a coward. Same if a fireman showed up to a fire, panicked and let the people inside burn/die. If a doctor that arrives on a emergency scene fails to provide life-saving aide, because they panic, they can be charged with negligent homicide. A soldier who panics and runs will be court-marshaled.
I've seen a lot of posts from friends who are educators, championing Simone for stepping out and calling her a mental-health warrior. But if one of their students let the stress get to them before an exam, and had to leave the room, or asked for an extension because of stress/panic, they'd hand them the zero and say everyone else was in the same situation and you need to learn to deal with it, because stress is a part of life.
If we are going to give Simone a complete pass here (which I'm fine with), then we need to re-evaluate how we view others. Again, I think Simone made the smart decision, she did the right thing for herself and her health, but how should that be viewed in the bigger picture...do we re-evaluate how we treat stress/panic universally?
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Would we label it a "failure" if she wasn't able to compete due to an injury or a physical illness? If not, why would we label it a "failure" if she is suffering from a mental illness?
(I don't know the answers to this. Just hypotheticals.)
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Simone does not have to publicly admit "failure" for me to give her "a complete pass here."
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Me too. I don't fault her at all for recognizing she wasn't mentally capable of performing. It takes a lot to make that decision on the world stage. But the treatment of her actions raises a lot of societal questions.
Should she be applauded as this making her even more the "GOAT," or people championing her as even a better teammate, because she cheered her teammates on. Which is something I see very commonly online. Maybe it is an artifact of my social circles, but I've seen no criticisms, and instead championing her as an ideal teammate and a hero for withdrawing.
What I would like to see is her admit this is a failure (maybe of no fault of her own; given extenuating circumstances), and to emphasize that as an athlete they need to be both physically and mentally prepared to deal with the stress and difficulty of a major competition. That she handled the physical part, but neglected the mental part, and that in the future she will do better.
We grow through failure. Someone who has succeeded at such a high level as her admitting that she too can fail would be a very powerful statement. I'd definitely 100% champion her for that. Especially if she ever came back and competed and went back to kicking the crap out of others.
All of us deal with major stress at times. If we fail to perform, most of us would be fired and it held against us forever. If a policeman was put into a life-saving situation and panicked and ran, he would be called a coward. Same if a fireman showed up to a fire, panicked and let the people inside burn/die. If a doctor that arrives on a emergency scene fails to provide life-saving aide, because they panic, they can be charged with negligent homicide. A soldier who panics and runs will be court-marshaled.
I've seen a lot of posts from friends who are educators, championing Simone for stepping out and calling her a mental-health warrior. But if one of their students let the stress get to them before an exam, and had to leave the room, or asked for an extension because of stress/panic, they'd hand them the zero and say everyone else was in the same situation and you need to learn to deal with it, because stress is a part of life.
If we are going to give Simone a complete pass here (which I'm fine with), then we need to re-evaluate how we view others. Again, I think Simone made the smart decision, she did the right thing for herself and her health, but how should that be viewed in the bigger picture...do we re-evaluate how we treat stress/panic universally?
I don’t think she is anywhere near getting a complete pass (her life both up to last night and since), and I would bet very few of us have or will ever experience her struggles, successes, or pressure. In order to get to her level, she had to have experienced a number of failures and have the mental toughness of a Titan. She hasn’t lived a life of luxury and bon bons, she physically and mentally busted her ass day after day, isolated, for nearly her entire life.
I would also say that educators would absolutely hear and adapt to their students if one of them approached them like your example. Certainly not all, but times are changing and continue to change with regard to the mental health of our young people. Thank goodness.
It sucks that she withdrew, I was super stoked to watch her, and she doesn’t owe me anything.
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Too bad she didn't act on her mental health prior to taking up a spot on the team. Deprived another gymnast from competing, hey?
Too bad she didn't wait to be sexually assaulted until after she won a couple medals for you.
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Too bad she didn't wait to be sexually assaulted until after she won a couple medals for you.
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Would we label it a "failure" if she wasn't able to compete due to an injury or a physical illness? If not, why would we label it a "failure" if she is suffering from a mental illness?
(I don't know the answers to this. Just hypotheticals.)
I think that is the difficulty in this. A physical injury or illness, probably not.
But immense stress is an expected part of competing. And part of what we consider an elite athlete is overcoming those stresses.
Imagine Lebron walking off the court in warmups of a Game 7 of the NBA finals, because he felt the weight of the world on his shoulders. He'd be ripped to shreds. Steven A. Smith would run a 24-hour special calling him the worst of things. Being labeled a failure would be the least of the things he was called. Admittedly, I would be far from kind.
If Giannis had buckled under pressure and went 0-19 from the FT line and the Bucks lost. He would have been called a failure, and would have been ridiculed, regardless of whether he came out publicly and said that he wasn't in a good place mentally.
In both these cases it would be fair to say they failed their team on those occasions, despite being amongst the greatest ever.
We have Ledecky being attacked as a failure for not living up to unrealistic expectations. I'm sure she was under immense stress/pressure, she went out there an gave it her all and came up short in some races she wasn't even expected to win. But is being attacked, even though she actually did what she was expected to do. What if she just came out and said she isn't competing, because mentally she isn't ready?
For a gymnast, its a little different in that she should not have competed as it wouldn't have been safe. But she still wasn't able to live up to what was expected of her.
We do label athletes as failures for coming up short physically, often times these shortcomings are rooted in mental health issues.
I agree with others. She doesn't owe me anything. And she made the right decision for her health and well being. But I think it is fair to say that as a gymnast and a teammate she didn't live up to expectations for her sport on this occasion. Still the greatest ever, and one who has been immensely wronged in many ways.
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What happened during her vault was very scary. It was like she was sleepwalking and suddenly woke up in the middle of the air and had no idea where she was.
Interesting thread here from a former gymnast on what she might be experiencing. https://twitter.com/WittyNameChoice/status/1420225657938710533
Seems kinda like when a pitcher or fielder gets the yips, except bouncing a pitch into home plate seldom has the chance of leaving the pitcher seriously injured or paralyzed.
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I think that is the difficulty in this. A physical injury or illness, probably not.
But immense stress is an expected part of competing. And part of what we consider an elite athlete is overcoming those stresses.
Imagine Lebron walking off the court in warmups of a Game 7 of the NBA finals, because he felt the weight of the world on his shoulders. He'd be ripped to shreds. Steven A. Smith would run a 24-hour special calling him the worst of things. Being labeled a failure would be the least of the things he was called. Admittedly, I would be far from kind.
If Giannis had buckled under pressure and went 0-19 from the FT line and the Bucks lost. He would have been called a failure, and would have been ridiculed, regardless of whether he came out publicly and said that he wasn't in a good place mentally.
In both these cases it would be fair to say they failed their team on those occasions, despite being amongst the greatest ever.
We have Ledecky being attacked as a failure for not living up to unrealistic expectations. I'm sure she was under immense stress/pressure, she went out there an gave it her all and came up short in some races she wasn't even expected to win. But is being attacked, even though she actually did what she was expected to do. What if she just came out and said she isn't competing, because mentally she isn't ready?
For a gymnast, its a little different in that she should not have competed as it wouldn't have been safe. But she still wasn't able to live up to what was expected of her.
We do label athletes as failures for coming up short physically, often times these shortcomings are rooted in mental health issues.
I agree with others. She doesn't owe me anything. And she made the right decision for her health and well being. But I think it is fair to say that as a gymnast and a teammate she didn't live up to expectations for her sport on this occasion. Still the greatest ever, and one who has been immensely wronged in many ways.
I agree that the reaction to Lebron or Giannis would have been far, far, different but I think there is a unique component to her sport. This is the same woman who dominated the world championships after passing a kidney stone. Her toughness and mental fortitude has always been at the very highest level, that's why I believe something is amiss.
The point that has been made about "being lost in the air" is something to really think about and unique to gymnastics and perhaps figure skating or diving. If she had no confidence for whatever reason that she could land her incredible flip/twist stuff, there's no question she was fearful of severe injuries regardless if she felt absolutely fine physically.
She's human, not a dolphin or a humpback whale who can do these things stress free. I'm not crazy about the timing, and I do think there's more to this story. But I also think you have to consider that going through the motions, or struggling mentally doing the air show required of a gymnast, can lead to something dangerous physically. If she says that's the case I'm going to take her word for it.
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I agree that the reaction to Lebron or Giannis would have been far, far, different but I think there is a unique component to her sport. This is the same woman who dominated the world championships after passing a kidney stone. Her toughness and mental fortitude has always been at the very highest level, that's why I believe something is amiss.
The point that has been made about "being lost in the air" is something to really think about and unique to gymnastics and perhaps figure skating or diving. If she had no confidence for whatever reason that she could land her incredible flip/twist stuff, there's no question she was fearful of severe injuries regardless of she felt absolutely fine physically.
She's human, not a dolphin or a humpback whale who can do these things stress free. I'm not crazy about the timing, and I do think there's more to this story. But I also think you have to consider that going through the motions, or struggling mentally doing the air show required of a gymnast, can lead to something dangerous physically. If she says that's the case I'm going to take her word for it.
Or maybe she doesn't need to say anything and people can stop speculating?
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The backlash to Biles online - and the snark in here - sure is something
By and large, the people criticizing her now and calling her weak are the same a$$holes who complain that wearing a strip of cloth over your mouth is too stressful.
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Or maybe she doesn't need to say anything and people can stop speculating?
Ya....I just have to disagree with that. She was the face of the entire Olympics, competed, and then couldn't for some reason. She has a goat on her leotard and has benefited tremendously from her country, sport, and overall talents. No one at the top of their sport, at their pinnacle competition or event, would not be questioned or have people speculating about what possibly happened.
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Ya....I just have to disagree with that. She was the face of the entire Olympics, competed, and then couldn't for some reason. She has a goat on her leotard and has benefited tremendously from her country, sport, and overall talents. No one at the top of there sport, at their pinnacle competition or event, would not be questioned or have people speculating about what possibly happened.
Okay, but don't expect her to answer. I'm fine with people asking the questions, but we're talking about a sport here, not life or death.
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Ya....I just have to disagree with that. She was the face of the entire Olympics, competed, and then couldn't for some reason. She has a goat on her leotard and has benefited tremendously from her country, sport, and overall talents. No one at the top of their sport, at their pinnacle competition or event, would not be questioned or have people speculating about what possibly happened.
I get that. But that doesn't mean they should. She owes no one an explanation.
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The point that has been made about "being lost in the air" is something to really think about and unique to gymnastics...
This is very true. The slow-motion video they kept showing of her vault was alarming. Gymnasts typically have very active eyes when they are in the air and you can see them spotting the floor and preparing to land. Her eyes really were blank. Thank goodness her well-honed muscle memory got her close enough that she was able to land safely. I think I'd be tougher on a lot of other athletes than her because there is a legitimate safety concern in this case.
She's a fantastic athlete. I feel badly for her. I hope that this isn't what she is remembered for.
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I think that is the difficulty in this. A physical injury or illness, probably not.
But immense stress is an expected part of competing. And part of what we consider an elite athlete is overcoming those stresses.
Imagine Lebron walking off the court in warmups of a Game 7 of the NBA finals, because he felt the weight of the world on his shoulders. He'd be ripped to shreds. Steven A. Smith would run a 24-hour special calling him the worst of things. Being labeled a failure would be the least of the things he was called. Admittedly, I would be far from kind.
If Giannis had buckled under pressure and went 0-19 from the FT line and the Bucks lost. He would have been called a failure, and would have been ridiculed, regardless of whether he came out publicly and said that he wasn't in a good place mentally.
In both these cases it would be fair to say they failed their team on those occasions, despite being amongst the greatest ever.
We have Ledecky being attacked as a failure for not living up to unrealistic expectations. I'm sure she was under immense stress/pressure, she went out there an gave it her all and came up short in some races she wasn't even expected to win. But is being attacked, even though she actually did what she was expected to do. What if she just came out and said she isn't competing, because mentally she isn't ready?
For a gymnast, its a little different in that she should not have competed as it wouldn't have been safe. But she still wasn't able to live up to what was expected of her.
We do label athletes as failures for coming up short physically, often times these shortcomings are rooted in mental health issues.
I agree with others. She doesn't owe me anything. And she made the right decision for her health and well being. But I think it is fair to say that as a gymnast and a teammate she didn't live up to expectations for her sport on this occasion. Still the greatest ever, and one who has been immensely wronged in many ways.
I think you’ve hit on the word, expectations. Whose expectations didn’t she live up to? Who sets the standard for expectations? Does it matter? Is it fair? These questions aren’t directed at you. My guess is that she expected more of herself, just a guess, but she is an elite athlete, perhaps the most elite. My guess is that she also expected more of the gymnastics system.
For me, I don’t think my expectations matter nor do my judgements. For me, the timing doesn’t matter, the way she did iit doesn’t matter, even the fact that she stayed and cheered doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter how LeBron or Giannis would be treated, and I do think that has specifically changed over the years with rest days and taking time off for mental health. I understand that isn’t normally done in the finals, for example, but my guess is that it will happen in the future.
Just because she is an elite athlete doesn’t necessarily mean she sought out the public eye, praise and scrutiny, nor does it mean that just because we think it’s part of the agreement an elite athlete makes with media or fans that it can’t evolve. For all we know she loved gymnastics and had an insatiable appetite to be the best ever regardless of anyone else’s expectations or any potential outcomes.
I personally don’t think she failed anyone nor should she be looked at as a failure. She is the best that has ever been.
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Ya....I just have to disagree with that. She was the face of the entire Olympics, competed, and then couldn't for some reason. She has a goat on her leotard and has benefited tremendously from her country, sport, and overall talents. No one at the top of their sport, at their pinnacle competition or event, would not be questioned or have people speculating about what possibly happened.
She didn’t make herself the face of the entire Olympics. She has earned everything she has gotten. Asking questions is one thing, questioning is another.
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I've seen a lot of posts from friends who are educators, championing Simone for stepping out and calling her a mental-health warrior. But if one of their students let the stress get to them before an exam, and had to leave the room, or asked for an extension because of stress/panic, they'd hand them the zero and say everyone else was in the same situation and you need to learn to deal with it, because stress is a part of life.
In her case, Simone was indeed handed a zero. It's not like she asked to compete a week or so later when she was feeling better. She fully accepted the consequences of her decision to withdraw.
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When she didn't think she could do what was needed, she stepped aside. Pushing through whatever issue she was dealing with, then making multiple mistakes and hurting her teammates would have resulted in significant scorn as well.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Too bad she didn't wait to be sexually assaulted until after she won a couple medals for you.
That's more moronic than 99% of your posts.
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Too bad she didn't wait to be sexually assaulted until after she won a couple medals for you.
what the...??? please tell me someone hacked your account cuz this is demented beyond comprehension
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Unreal comeback by Bobby Finke in the final 50m of the 800m swim.
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Unreal comeback by Bobby Finke in the final 50m of the 800m swim.
26.3 final 50 meters overtaking the top 3 swimmers. Wow.
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For those that don’t understand the Twisties:
https://twitter.com/emilygiam/status/1420329974028935171?s=21
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Dressed was a monster. Great moment talking to his family live after the race. One of the things NBC has done that I’ve enjoyed.
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Caeleb Dressel Olympic Record 100M Free. Whoa.
Michael Phelps said before the U.S. Men lost the 4x200 Free Relay that Dressel needed to be on it, and, it turned out to be the first Olympic Swimming relay in 95 races the U.S. didn’t medal without Dressel.
2 Gold. 4 events left for Dressel.
Great moment the other night after winning the 4x100 relay, gave his medal to Brooks Curry who swam for him in prelims.
https://twitter.com/nbcolympics/status/1419512431064371205?s=21
https://twitter.com/nbcolympics/status/1420579749521510403?s=21
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Dressel seems like an awesome dude. Very genuine and charismatic. He was breaking down splits in his head last night after the semi while doing his interview and it was endearing cause he clearly didn't zap into some polished interview mode.
All relay participants get medals, but Curry getting to have the medal at the games at the games is some nice juice and recognition for him.
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1:53.76 for Katie Ledecky in the 4x200 Free relay. It was the fastest split of any swimmer in the race by .61, leading the Americans to a come from behind Silver Medal, and one of 3 teams setting a new World Record.
China gets Gold. Ariarne Titmus and Australia get Bronze.
Allison Schmitt, Paige Madden, Katie McLaughlin, Silver, for the Americans.
https://twitter.com/theathletic/status/1420593808450879491?s=21
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1:53.76 for Katie Ledecky in the 4x200 Free relay. It was the fastest split of any swimmer in the race by .61, leading the Americans to a come from behind Silver Medal, and one of 3 teams setting a new World Record.
China gets Gold. Ariarne Titmus and Australia get Bronze.
Allison Schmitt, Paige Madden, Katie McLaughlin, Silver, for the Americans.
https://twitter.com/theathletic/status/1420593808450879491?s=21
That's basically the equivalent of a miler beating Michael Johnson in the 200m.
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Ledecky was unreal. She would’ve won if she had another 25m or Schmitt hadn’t really died off at the end of her leg.
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Add the Fiji Rugby team's gold medal win to the list of good stories.
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Add the Fiji Rugby team's gold medal win to the list of good stories.
Yep. Can’t get enough other country profiles and stories too. It’s not just about USA. 👍
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Suni Lee, what a story. Nice profile here:
https://twitter.com/nbcolympics/status/1420193713557581825?s=21
Olympic Gold Gymnastics All Around Champion. She’s the 6th American to ever do it. Hmong American, her father John built her a backyard balance beam when they couldn’t afford one. He became paralyzed after falling from a ladder trying to help a neighbor trim a tree two years ago, just before she left for Nationals. The 18 year ild from South St. Paul, MN is an Auburn Tiger commit.
https://twitter.com/nbcolympics/status/1420731590704078851?s=21
https://twitter.com/nbcolympics/status/1420737648918999043?s=21
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Add the Fiji Rugby team's gold medal win to the list of good stories.
So weird that it's just 7s in the olympics. Wonder why they do that.
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Add the Fiji Rugby team's gold medal win to the list of good stories.
https://twitter.com/jamesaalongman/status/1420614969205329921?s=21
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Very happy to hear about Sunisa Lee. Tremendous kid and family. And she's only 18.
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So weird that it's just 7s in the olympics. Wonder why they do that.
Much quicker games, less physical. Would be extremely tough to play 5-6 Rugby Union games in a three week span.
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With all the black eyes over the past few years for US Gymnastics, its truly incredible how strong the women's roster has gotten.
Were the odds on favs to go Back to Back to Back in the Team, still got silver after losing the best gymnast of all time.
Even without Biles, 3 straight All Around Gold Medalists. Carey finished 8th even with a fall on the beam, could have been borderline top 5 otherwise.
They likely won't equal the 2 golds, 3 silvers, and a bronze in the individual event finals without Biles, but still remarkable the last decade when you look at how they were knocking on the door in the 90s and 2000s (outside of 1996 obviously). And thats not even including team golds in 7 of the last 9 World Championships
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Much quicker games, less physical. Would be extremely tough to play 5-6 Rugby Union games in a three week span.
The British & Irish Lions team is doing 7 games in 28days in South Africa. Wouldn't be too different.
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The British & Irish Lions team is doing 7 games in 28days in South Africa. Wouldn't be too different.
But thats just an exhibition tour, a bunch against club teams which they obviously outclass. Its very different than peak Olympic competition. It would be like comparing Marquette's Euro tour where they play against low level club teams a couple times a week in whatever country compared to a proper Big East schedule.
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But thats just an exhibition tour, a bunch against club teams which they obviously outclass. Its very different than peak Olympic competition. It would be like comparing Marquette's Euro tour where they play against low level club teams a couple times a week in whatever country compared to a proper Big East schedule.
Fair enough.
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How did we decide the roster for 3x3? Which, I might add, didn't even qualify for the Olympics
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How did we decide the roster for 3x3? Which, I might add, didn't even qualify for the Olympics
What are you talking about? They won the Gold.
Oh, you mean the men's team. ::)
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3v3 basketball is dumb.
Gonna grab two of my buddies three years from now and see if we can win ourselves a free trip to Paris.
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3v3 basketball is dumb.
Gonna grab two of my buddies three years from now and see if we can win ourselves a free trip to Paris.
https://www.usab.com/3x3/3x3-national-teams-men/roster.aspx (https://www.usab.com/3x3/3x3-national-teams-men/roster.aspx)
Shouldn't the champs from Ice Cube's league be our representative?
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Trying to watch gymnastics in primetime. These commercials are absolutely brutal. Show a 1 minute exercise and then 3 minutes of commercials. Rinse repeat.
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Will be shocked if Aiden Walsh doesn't win a Gold for Ireland, though in Olympic boxing anything can happen
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Will be shocked if Aiden Walsh doesn't win a Gold for Ireland, though in Olympic boxing anything can happen
Shout out Roy Jones Jr
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Tremendous for Rebeca Andrade, winning the All Around Women's Gymnastics Silver Medal for Brasil, their first ever Women's Gymnastics Medal. Overcoming 3 ACL tears. (Deserved a better score on beam). Fun to watch.
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For those that don’t understand the Twisties:
https://twitter.com/emilygiam/status/1420329974028935171?s=21
Isn't this more of a physical issue as opposed to mental health? It sounds like a muscle memory issue. I'm wondering why she didn't mention this at her initial press conference? Clearly this is something that is scary but has happened to her before.
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Will be shocked if Aiden Walsh doesn't win a Gold for Ireland, though in Olympic boxing anything can happen
Mick Conlan says hello.
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Isn't this more of a physical issue as opposed to mental health? It sounds like a muscle memory issue. I'm wondering why she didn't mention this at her initial press conference? Clearly this is something that is scary but has happened to her before.
Why does it matter if it’s a physical or mental? (It’s both)
It’s when her psychological state put her physical state at risk.
Often times causes are mental that include stress, pressure, anxiety, (which have their own causes). She spoke of the need to be perfect, to perform for others instead of herself etc that she wasn’t in a good head space. She frequently discusses various topics away from gymnastics that are mental health related.
Physically, overuse of muscles can cause involuntary spasms, etc..
Muscle memory is a combination of mental and physical things.
Gymnastics is a very precise mental sport in addition to its physicality.
There are other related gymnastics terms with other meanings as well. Sometimes the twisties can lat for a day or two, several months, or end a career.
You may be interested in the book “Phenomenon: Pressure the Yips and the Pitch that Changed My Life” by Rick Ankiel. (with Tim Brown) It’s good. He was one of the more promising baseball pitchers I’ve ever seen.
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Why does it matter if it’s a physical or mental? (It’s both)
It’s when her psychological state put her physical state at risk.
Often times causes are mental that include stress, pressure, anxiety, (which have their own causes). She spoke of the need to be perfect, to perform for others instead of herself etc that she wasn’t in a good head space. She frequently discusses various topics away from gymnastics that are mental health related.
Physically, overuse of muscles can cause involuntary spasms, etc..
Muscle memory is a combination of mental and physical things.
Gymnastics is a very precise mental sport in addition to its physicality.
There are other related gymnastics terms with other meanings as well. Sometimes the twisties can lat for a day or two, several months, or end a career.
You may be interested in the book “Phenomenon: Pressure the Yips and the Pitch that Changed My Life” by Rick Ankiel. (with Tim Brown) It’s good. He was one of the more promising baseball pitchers I’ve ever seen.
It doesn't but I don't think she really mentioned or articulated very well this particular issue at her initial press conference. It seems to me this muscle memory prob was the significant component which led her to deciding not to compete. I think that's totally understandable but a lot of her answers insinuated that stress/pressure or "mental health" issues were at the forefront of her decision.
There is certainly a mental aspect when it comes to muscle memory probs but I would say there is a major distinction between that and depression/anxiety related health issues. I'm sure she was dealing with both elements and they overlap but she mentioned she had never felt this way before a competition. Now we know she has dealt with this "lost in the air" yips type situation before. I just feel had she articulated this at the initial press conference she would be dealing with far less scrutiny and accusations of quitting which have been unfair imo.
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It doesn't but I don't think she really mentioned or articulated very well this particular issue at her initial press conference. It seems to me this muscle memory prob was the significant component which led her to deciding not to compete. I think that's totally understandable but a lot of her answers insinuated that stress/pressure or "mental health" issues were at the forefront of her decision.
There is certainly a mental aspect when it comes to muscle memory probs but I would say there is a major distinction between that and depression/anxiety related health issues. I'm sure she was dealing with both elements and they overlap but she mentioned she had never felt this way before a competition. Now we know she has dealt with this "lost in the air" yips type situation before. I just feel had she articulated this at the initial press conference she would be dealing with far less scrutiny and accusations of quitting which have been unfair imo.
As I said earlier...
Or maybe she doesn't need to say anything and people can stop speculating?
She really doesn't owe anyone an explanation. If she didn't want to get into the details at her initial press conference, that's fine.
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As I said earlier...
She really doesn't owe anyone an explanation. If she didn't want to get into the details at her initial press conference, that's fine.
But she did go into some detail at her press c FBM. You're correct that she isn't required to say anything or owes anybody but she said a number of things without really explaining this muscle memory prob.
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It doesn't but I don't think she really mentioned or articulated very well this particular issue at her initial press conference. It seems to me this muscle memory prob was the significant component which led her to deciding not to compete. I think that's totally understandable but a lot of her answers insinuated that stress/pressure or "mental health" issues were at the forefront of her decision.
There is certainly a mental aspect when it comes to muscle memory probs but I would say there is a major distinction between that and depression/anxiety related health issues. I'm sure she was dealing with both elements and they overlap but she mentioned she had never felt this way before a competition. Now we know she has dealt with this "lost in the air" yips type situation before. I just feel had she articulated this at the initial press conference she would be dealing with far less scrutiny and accusations of quitting which have been unfair imo.
I’m not sure what part of it’s linked and overlapping together that seems to be difficult to understand.
For reasons I don’t know, you seem determined to separate mental health and muscle memory. It’s far too simplistic to say it’s muscle memory or it’s just this or that.
Not that it matters nor is it anyone’s business but hers, but Biles has discussed at length the stress, pressures, fears, anxieties, insomnia, all kinds of things over the years.
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https://www.insider.com/simone-biles-adhd-meds-banned-japan-impacting-performance-2021-7
Does this change any of the bashing?
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https://www.insider.com/simone-biles-adhd-meds-banned-japan-impacting-performance-2021-7
Does this change any of the bashing?
No one is really bashing. And even then, Ritalin is allowed for athletes. So it is a moot point.
https://www.teamusa.org/~/~/link.aspx?_id=88213FEFC85E48F391E518E4C393CE3A&_z=z
(https://www.teamusa.org/~/~/link.aspx?_id=88213FEFC85E48F391E518E4C393CE3A&_z=z)
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No one is really bashing. And even then, Ritalin is allowed for athletes. So it is a moot point.
https://www.teamusa.org/~/~/link.aspx?_id=88213FEFC85E48F391E518E4C393CE3A&_z=z
(https://www.teamusa.org/~/~/link.aspx?_id=88213FEFC85E48F391E518E4C393CE3A&_z=z)
I'm sorry... what??!!
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I’m not sure what part of it’s linked and overlapping together that seems to be difficult to understand.
For reasons I don’t know, you seem determined to separate mental health and muscle memory. It’s far too simplistic to say it’s muscle memory or it’s just this or that.
Not that it matters nor is it anyone’s business but hers, but Biles has discussed at length the stress, pressures, fears, anxieties, insomnia, all kinds of things over the years.
But it actually does "matter". Just like it would "matter" if the biggest star of any sport decided not to participate in whatever championship they are pursuing in the middle of their competition. Are you saying if Aaron Rodgers had a presser similar to Simone Biles, after playing the 1Q of a Superbowl, the response would be it's no one's business a.k.a. it's a complex mental health issue? That's absolutely ludicrous and you know it.
This is a woman who hasn't lost a competition in 7 yrs and has a goat on her leotard for a reason. Of course it "matters", this doesn't exactly happen every day. And while many are calling her a "hero" and others are calling her a "quitter" the fact is both of these responses have been total fking nonsense. Therefore I am trying to have a discussion and read different viewpoints about what actually happened. This ADHD story may have contributed as well.
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But it actually does "matter". Just like it would "matter" if the biggest star of any sport decided not to participate in whatever championship they are pursuing in the middle of their competition. Are you saying if Aaron Rodgers had a presser similar to Simone Biles, after playing the 1Q of a Superbowl, the response would be it's no one's business a.k.a. it's a complex mental health issue? That's absolutely ludicrous and you know it.
This is a woman who hasn't lost a competition in 7 yrs and has a goat on her leotard for a reason. Of course it "matters", this doesn't exactly happen every day. And while many are calling her a "hero" and others are calling her a "quitter" the fact is both of these responses have been total fking nonsense. Therefore I am trying to have a discussion and read different viewpoints about what actually happened. This ADHD story may have absolutely contributed as well.
There isn’t both sides here.
Well, I suppose these are the two sides:
There are empathetic people that value mental, emotional and physical health as equally the same. And, there are self serving polarizing grifters, often racist and mysogonistic, etc..whose group cult followings put them on a pedestal and regurgitate their talking points.
Every single day in sports vague explanations are given to explain the extent of the reason. “Upper Body injury” “Lower body injury” and so on.
You’ve been provided quite a bit of information here, and, much is also available elsewhere. This seems more about you than her or anyone else. You don’t seem to be able to accept the information that’s been presented to you.
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But it actually does "matter". Just like it would "matter" if the biggest star of any sport decided not to participate in whatever championship they are pursuing in the middle of their competition. Are you saying if Aaron Rodgers had a presser similar to Simone Biles, after playing the 1Q of a Superbowl, the response would be it's no one's business a.k.a. it's a complex mental health issue? That's absolutely ludicrous and you know it.
This is a woman who hasn't lost a competition in 7 yrs and has a goat on her leotard for a reason. Of course it "matters", this doesn't exactly happen every day. And while many are calling her a "hero" and others are calling her a "quitter" the fact is both of these responses have been total fking nonsense. Therefore I am trying to have a discussion and read different viewpoints about what actually happened. This ADHD story may have contributed as well.
You should go look at her instagram for more clarification
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Katie Ledecky wins the 800 meter Olympic Gold. Ariarne Titmus was a distant 2nd. Ledecky now has the top 23 times ever for the Women’s 800.
Ledecky now has the most individual golds of any Women’s Swimmer, 6. Only Michael Phelps has more individual Swimming Olympic Gold Medals. (13)
When surprisingly asked if this was her last Olympics, meaning retiring, Ledecky emphatically said she plans to swim in the 2024, and, 2028 Olympics.
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Caeleb Dressel continues to dominate. 100 Butterfly Gold. New World Record. It’s his 3rd gold with a chance for 6 this Olympics. (Only Spitz, Otto, and Phelps have done it) He will swim 3 times in 80 minutes. Wow.
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Ugh! Who chose the lineup for the US mixed medley?
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Isn't this more of a physical issue as opposed to mental health? It sounds like a muscle memory issue. I'm wondering why she didn't mention this at her initial press conference? Clearly this is something that is scary but has happened to her before.
Dude, a "muscle memory issue" IS a mental health issue. 100%. Trying to call them two different things is really weird. You think Steve Sax suddenly had a "muscle memory issue" when he suddenly couldn't throw to 1st base, that was somehow different than a mental issue? Sax having the yips was 100% mental.
As I said previously, the difference between Sax not being able to throw a baseball to 1st base and Biles not being able to land a 2 1/2 Yurchenko is that Sax was unlikely to need surgery/be paralyzed when he tossed the ball into the dugout.
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Ugh! Who chose the lineup for the US mixed medley?
The US performance was disappointing but I LOVE the event. The wild swings are amazing.
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There isn’t both sides here.
Well, I suppose these are the two sides:
There are empathetic people that value mental, emotional and physical health as equally the same. And, there are self serving polarizing grifters, often racist and mysogonistic, etc..whose group cult followings put them on a pedestal and regurgitate their talking points.
Every single day in sports vague explanations are given to explain the extent of the reason. “Upper Body injury” “Lower body injury” and so on.
You’ve been provided quite a bit of information here, and, much is also available elsewhere. This seems more about you than her or anyone else. You don’t seem to be able to accept the information that’s been presented to you.
I think the discussion is way more nuanced. Mental health issues cover an enormous range and are obviously ubiquitous. You can be empathetic about these issues but but at the same time have a conversation and disagree about certain factors as they pertain to athletes or other walks of life.
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Dude, a "muscle memory issue" IS a mental health issue. 100%. Trying to call them two different things is really weird. You think Steve Sax suddenly had a "muscle memory issue" when he suddenly couldn't throw to 1st base, that was somehow different than a mental issue? Sax having the yips was 100% mental.
As I said previously, the difference between Sax not being able to throw a baseball to 1st base and Biles not being able to land a 2 1/2 Yurchenko is that Sax was unlikely to need surgery/be paralyzed when he tossed the ball into the dugout.
I think both mental and physical play a factor here and distinctions need to be made. An enormous percentage of people suffer from depression/anxiety/stress. myself included. If a golfer completely loses it or Ben Simmons can't make a free throw there is obviously a mental component but also the physical component. They may be perfectly happy low stress people but for some reason lose their muscle memory.
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Does anyone know if there a limit to how far a swimmer can be underwater to start these races or after the kick turns? I was just curious.
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I think the discussion is way more nuanced. Mental health issues cover an enormous range and are obviously ubiquitous. You can be empathetic about these issues but but at the same time have a conversation and disagree about certain factors as they pertain to athletes or other walks of life.
Right, Mental Health is a complex or nuanced topic with wide varieties within it. That means it isn’t going to be wrapped up in a neat little bow the day of the event or a few days later with a perfect explanation and press conference.
Disagree about what? Racist mysogonistic maga sports types like the Clay I do one thing, but I make my money grifting the cult with intentionally negative polarizing takes Travis, and the like.
I don’t think any sincere, empathetic person is calling her a quitter, as you mentioned earlier.
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Nugget I just looked it up. Swimmers can only stay underwater 15 meters. I believe it’s marked and I was watching something I think earlier today where they were replaying a start on tv and the swimmer was really close to that limit.
I was heading to bed and got hooked on this mixed triathlon relay. First time at the Olympics.
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I think both mental and physical play a factor here and distinctions need to be made.
No it actually doesn't. Why you are continuing to question or debate this is beyond weird.
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I'm sorry... what??!!
I was referring to here on Scoop. I'm assuming you are referring to more globally.
Yes, globally there is some bashing, but overall, I see more people calling her even more of a hero now.
Both stances are kind of ridiculous.
She did the smart thing, she protected her health; but she also failed as a gymnast this time. Not a big deal, we all fail. We grow through failures. She's still the greatest ever.
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https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/are-you-allowed-to-criticize-simone-biles-a-decision-tree
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Dream year continues for Spain’s Pablo Carreno Busta in Men’s Tennis.
Tremendous effort defeating Novak Djokovic in the Bronze Medal Match 6-4, 6-7, 6-3. What an effort. Wow.
He advanced to the U.S. Open semis this past year as well as the French Open quarters. First ATP 500 Title in Hamburg. First home country title in Marbella, Spain.
It’s the 3rd loss n 24 hours for Djokovic. (It’s a tough sport)
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By the way we often here about any “negative” on court behavior of Women players from certain people, while at the same time crickets for Men’s players from these same people.
Here are a few you won’t hear much about in Tokyo:
https://twitter.com/vanshv2k/status/1420809152998293508?s=21
https://twitter.com/vanshv2k/status/1420809152998293508?s=21
https://twitter.com/ashish__tv/status/1421387519476838406?s=21
For me it’s more about the frequent double standard when it comes to Women and Men’s behavior. It’s tired. It’s okay for Women to get upset and show emotion.
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Pretty fun video of Detroit Lions QB David Blough watching his wife Melissa Gonzalez qualify for the Women’s 400M Hurdles Semifinals in Tokyo. High School Sweethearts. Melissa finished 2nd in her Heat, and runs for Colombia.
https://twitter.com/bradgalli/status/1421459236895301635?s=21
World Champion and Rio Gold Medalist Delilah Muhammed, (Queens, NYC) as well as World Record Holder Sydney McLaughlin (NJ) and, American Anna Cockrell (NC) also qualified. Super loaded electric field. All 3 live and train in L.A.(USC, USC, Kentucky)
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Nugget I just looked it up. Swimmers can only stay underwater 15 meters. I believe it’s marked and I was watching something I think earlier today where they were replaying a start on tv and the swimmer was really close to that limit.
I was heading to bed and got hooked on this mixed triathlon relay. First time at the Olympics.
I was just going to comment on this also. The mixed triathlon was good. Was riveted too.
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Ugh! Who chose the lineup for the US mixed medley?
In tennis mixed doubles are two teams with one man and women on each team. Would be interesting if they had mixed relays in swimming and track and field. Would put men and women on equal footing.
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They do have mixed relays in swimming and track. And I watched the mixed relay triathlon last night.
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Rowdy Gaines is the best analyst in any sport at the Olympics and has been the best for a long time.
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Rowdy Gaines is the best analyst in any sport at the Olympics and has been the best for a long time.
Rowdy is great. Was a great swimmer and has been a great likable knowledgeable analyst a long time who knows the swimmers and spends time with them. (He’s still a competitive National Swimmer for his age group.) Great swimming ambassador too.
You may want to give this guy a watch/listen on the CBC feed:
https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/1420882877013704705?s=21
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I was in Vancouver in 2010 for a large part of the games and it was interesting watching the Canadian feed. Same with Lillehammer in 1994, watched the British feed a lot.
But yes I do like Rowdy Gaines.
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So many good swimming events again, tonight, night after night. Really good. Bobby Finke 1500, (25.7 final 50) Caeleb Dressel 50. 4x100 medley relay World Record. Electric every night. So much beast.
Caeleb Dressel 5 Gold Medals ties Phelps, Biondi, Spitz for one Olympics.
Ryan Murphy, Michael Andrew, Zach Apple on that 4x100 relay with Dressel
Smith Huske, Weitzeil, Jacoby Women's Silver 4x100 Silver. Jacoby was terrific. Great job.
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Same with Lillehammer in 1994, watched the British feed.
Steven Van Zandt in the 2010"s was pretty good too.
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Great close to the Olympic swimming. Caleb is a monster.
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I don't know much about swimming but Finke sorta whooped some ass to close his races. It's like he just shifted to 5th gear. Sounds like an impressive night in the pool for the USA.
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Rowdy is great. Was a great swimmer and has been a great likable knowledgeable analyst a long time who knows the swimmers and spends time with them. (He’s still a competitive National Swimmer for his age group.) Great swimming ambassador too.
You may want to give this guy a watch/listen on the CBC feed:
https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/1420882877013704705?s=21
I went to a Masters swim camp at Auburn awhile back and Rowdy was one of the instructors. Great guy. Pretty much the same personality irl as he is on TV.
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I went to a Masters swim camp at Auburn awhile back and Rowdy was one of the instructors. Great guy. Pretty much the same personality irl as he is on TV.
That's great. That's a good, fun, experience.
His secret is that while he's knowledgeable, competitive and objective, but, he balances it by being relentlessly positive, encouraging, with good energy. Bill Raftery has that ability in basketball.
And he does this with anyone and everyone, enjoying what he is doing. And he has been doing that a long time, while being an all time great at his sport as well.That's rarified air.
It helps but it is not required that the U.S. is often good, ...adds to it. He can point out a mistake but pivot to positive solutions and say it in an uplifting way. He takes the time to get to know the swimmers throughout the year and work with them. He's genuinely happy for their success because of that. Rowdy's visual reaction when Dressel won Rowdy's race, 100 Free, was great. (Rowdy won Gold in 100 Free) They both live in Florida.
Rowdy won 3 Olympic Gold Medals, 5 WC Gold and 3 WC Silver. What some don't know or remember is that the 1980 boycott took away possibly 4 more Olympic Gold for him.
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NM
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Finley did just shift into another fear for the last 50 meters last night, even Rowdy was like, whoa…. I mean, by the end it wasn’t even close.
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Rowdy Gaines is the best analyst in any sport at the Olympics and has been the best for a long time.
Yeah, he even makes swimming exciting, or really tries to, which is asking a lot.
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Absolutely pathetic showing by the men’s volleyball team.
Fire Speraw into the sun.
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Watching field hockey now. Very strange.
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Absolutely pathetic showing by the men’s volleyball team.
Fire Speraw into the sun.
Yeah. Brutal.
They're in trouble. Anderson is old, Holt is old, and they don't have a quality second middle as it is. And nobody in the pipeline to replace those guys.
Unfortunate because Shoji, Christenson, Anderson, Holt, Sander, and Russell are all elite. Russell obviously out with injury hurt a lot.
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Yeah. Brutal.
They're in trouble. Anderson is old, Holt is old, and they don't have a quality second middle as it is. And nobody in the pipeline to replace those guys.
Unfortunate because Shoji, Christenson, Anderson, Holt, Sander, and Russell are all elite. Russell obviously out with injury hurt a lot.
Serving has been a major issue for them all cycle. I get they’re a pretty poor blocking team and they need to be aggressive.
But tone it down a bit and at least give yourselves a chance.
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Serving has been a major issue for them all cycle. I get they’re a pretty poor blocking team and they need to be aggressive.
But tone it down a bit and at least give yourselves a chance.
Yeah. Blocking is a major issue. And it really shouldn’t be. It’s not even stuff blocks. They got teams out of system, got a solid triple block up, and then just let them tool the block. They had no ability to put up a solid block and play defense around it.
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Watching field hockey now. Very strange.
Something specific that happened or the sport in general?
I’ve lived in and have visited other places where Field Hockey has a pretty strong following. The Women’s NCAA playoffs this year had some great games and atmospheres. And of the Olympic play is a whole other level.
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UC’s Jordan Thompson has been outstanding and fun to watch for USA Women’s Olympic Volleyball. Tough injury the other day.
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Yeah, he even makes swimming exciting, or really tries to, which is asking a lot.
Watching swim races is exciting. Training for swim races is possibly the most boring physical pursuit ever. At least when you are running the scenery changes occasionally.
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Watching swim races is exciting. Training for swim races is possibly the most boring physical pursuit ever. At least when you are running the scenery changes occasionally.
I agree and really hadn't watched a ton of swimming before. Although sailfish can swim close to 70 mph which I find more amazing. Think about that for a second....what's the mph for Dressel or s Phelps? 7 mph?
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This is how much it means qualifying for the 400 Meter Hurdle Semifinals for Colombia:
https://twitter.com/david_blough10/status/1421861879794835458?s=21
https://twitter.com/onherturf/status/1421589151577686024?s=21
https://twitter.com/sportsdayhs/status/1420570648162848768?s=21
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Watching swim races is exciting. Training for swim races is possibly the most boring physical pursuit ever. At least when you are running the scenery changes occasionally.
My HS had an excellent swim team and a couple of my friends/classmates ended up swimming at high level D1 programs. I just remember them always getting to school at like 530 to swim laps before classes started. And then practice after school obviously. And we had an Olympic pool but it was adjustable and since they used it for gym classes during the day, it was normally set to 25 meters in the morning so thats even more quick and repetitive. I couldn't even imagine. Mental challenges like you read about.
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Watching swim races is exciting. Training for swim races is possibly the most boring physical pursuit ever. At least when you are running the scenery changes occasionally.
Truth. I swam in HS. What I would have given for waterproof headphones and streaming music…
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My HS had an excellent swim team and a couple of my friends/classmates ended up swimming at high level D1 programs. I just remember them always getting to school at like 530 to swim laps before classes started. And then practice after school obviously. And we had an Olympic pool but it was adjustable and since they used it for gym classes during the day, it was normally set to 25 meters in the morning so thats even more quick and repetitive. I couldn't even imagine. Mental challenges like you read about.
When I was in high school, Nashville had the top club program in the country. There were kids from all over the US that were living with local host families so they could train there. Several of them went to my high school. They went to swim practice before and after school, did their homework, and went to bed, and that was their entire life.
At the Masters camp I went to, we had a session with Auburn's strength and conditioning coach. He told us that when the men's basketball coach thought any of the players weren't giving full effort at practice, he would punish them by making them go to weight training with the swimmers.
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Yeah, Bruce Pearl rydes der asses, hey?
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Watching swim races is exciting. Training for swim races is possibly the most boring physical pursuit ever. At least when you are running the scenery changes occasionally.
I am scarred from years of of kids' swim meets. Two hours of sitting around, a minute and a half of racing, followed by another hour of sitting around. Rinse and repeat. Fortunately my kids played team sports as well and swam for something to do/stay in shape during the off seasons, but attending those meets was brutal. Track meets are the same, too.
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I am scarred from years of of kids' swim meets. Two hours of sitting around, a minute and a half of racing, followed by another hour of sitting around. Rinse and repeat. Fortunately my kids played team sports as well and swam for something to do/stay in shape during the off seasons, but attending those meets was brutal. Track meets are the same, too.
Lots of hot dogs and walking tacos…
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As the main focus shifts from swimming to track, I'm reminded why the second week usually sucks. Track just has too many heats and, especially in the 100 & 200, not enough time for drama. They should switch the order of those.
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T&F is way more popular worldwide than swimming.
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T&F is great. It’s a nice follow up to swimming.
For these games, tv had a nice set up being able to show many swimming finals live in the U.S. at night. That’s middle of the day mid morning to lunch time in Tokyo. Many of the track finals are at night local Tokyo time. It was unusual to see a day time Tokyo time final over the weekend in track.
Lots of great track stories. So many, it can be challenging to keep up.
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I love watching the T&F events. I have been watching quite a bit live since Friday.
We got peeved at one of the American men 400m runners, I believe Friday. He ran a bad race, no where near his norm and did not qualify for the semi's and his post-race interview was awful with NBC as he was so negative.
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I am scarred from years of of kids' swim meets. Two hours of sitting around, a minute and a half of racing, followed by another hour of sitting around. Rinse and repeat. Fortunately my kids played team sports as well and swam for something to do/stay in shape during the off seasons, but attending those meets was brutal. Track meets are the same, too.
my wife's last major meet was during the first weekend of the NCAA Tourney in 2012. Sitting in Harvard's natatorium trying to get a decent WiFi signal to watch the second round games Saturday and Sunday while waiting for my wife's sprint events led to some long, long days!
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I am scarred from years of of kids' swim meets. Two hours of sitting around, a minute and a half of racing, followed by another hour of sitting around. Rinse and repeat. Fortunately my kids played team sports as well and swam for something to do/stay in shape during the off seasons, but attending those meets was brutal. Track meets are the same, too.
Plus, the pools are so damn hot.
Having to watch the kid swim via live stream only (no parents in the pool) was about the only good thing to come out of covid.
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I am scarred from years of of kids' swim meets. Two hours of sitting around, a minute and a half of racing, followed by another hour of sitting around. Rinse and repeat. Fortunately my kids played team sports as well and swam for something to do/stay in shape during the off seasons, but attending those meets was brutal. Track meets are the same, too.
I would watch a swim meet over a track meet any day. At the announce what the event is before starting the race so you know what is going on.
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I am scarred from years of of kids' swim meets. Two hours of sitting around, a minute and a half of racing, followed by another hour of sitting around. Rinse and repeat. Fortunately my kids played team sports as well and swam for something to do/stay in shape during the off seasons, but attending those meets was brutal. Track meets are the same, too.
If someone could figure out how to weaponize the feeling of kids' swim meets -- particularly indoor meets during the summer -- they could probably dominate the world. Those were absolutely painful.
I didn't start swimming until high school, so I had absolutely no idea how those meets were until my own kids were swimming. In Colorado HS swimming, the boys and girls were separate seasons so there was one classification for each event and things moved pretty quickly.
Kids' swim meets, on the other hand, "Girls Age 5-6 25-yard freestyle heats 1-7 are up; Last Call Boys Age 5-6 25-yard freestyle heats 1-8; First Call Girls Age 7-8 25-yard freestyle heats 1-13..." And on, and on, and on...
I'm having flashbacks.
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Yeah, Bruce Pearl rydes der asses, hey?
Chick won't admit how long, but she was in high school a long, long, long, long time before Bruce Pearl showed up on Auburn's doorstep.
Heck, Charles Barkley might have still been at Auburn back then!
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T&F is way more popular worldwide than swimming.
It's still crap television comparably. And it's pretty clear they build the games around the American market. That's why events are being held at the relative crack of dawn and late and night over there, to capture our live viewing audience.
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Chick won't admit how long, but she was in high school a long, long, long, long time before Bruce Pearl showed up on Auburn's doorstep.
Heck, Charles Barkley might have still been at Auburn back then!
I was in my 40s when I went to that camp. Still way before Bruce.
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I watched the introductory episode of Olympic Highlights with Kevin Hart and Snoop Dogg.
It was just meh, but I did laugh when Snoop called a guy who had previously medaled in both Triple Jump and Long Jump "a Jesse Owens motherf*cker".
Maybe the actual recap episodes will be better.
This show definitely improved with the actual highlight shows. It's hilarious. Also, it's a little jarring to see "TV-MA" at the beginning of a sports show.
In the first episode, they do a fashion review of the parade of nations and interview the oiled-up guy from Tonga who Marches in the traditional costume. In the second episode, they discuss the Australian swim coach that when crazy when he swimmer won gold, and Kevin recalls having to wear a Speedo when he was a high school swimmer.
It's on Peacock (the free part). Definitely worth watching.
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This show definitely improved with the actual highlight shows. It's hilarious. Also, it's a little jarring to see "TV-MA" at the beginning of a sports show.
In the first episode, they do a fashion review of the parade of nations and interview the oiled-up guy from Tonga who Marches in the traditional costume. In the second episode, they discuss the Australian swim coach that when crazy when he swimmer won gold, and Kevin recalls having to wear a Speedo when he was a high school swimmer.
It's on Peacock (the free part). Definitely worth watching.
I watched them talking about the Equestrian rider with the horse that was crab walking. Very funny!
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I watched them talking about the Equestrian rider with the horse that was crab walking. Very funny!
It was actually "crip" walking. An old Compton reference.
And as someone else said, why aren't the horses getting the medals? They do all of the work.
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This is how much it means qualifying for the 400 Meter Hurdle Semifinals for Colombia:
https://twitter.com/david_blough10/status/1421861879794835458?s=21
https://twitter.com/onherturf/status/1421589151577686024?s=21
https://twitter.com/sportsdayhs/status/1420570648162848768?s=21
That’s his wife but your point remains valid.
We really do take for granted the success of the US at the Olympics. My moms side of the family is Colombian, and every World Cup/Tour de France/Olympic event that a Colombian athlete has a chance at is national viewing.
Honestly quite refreshing.
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Honestly, I've watched less than 20 minutes of the Olympics. I read what jumps out of the computer screen but have no interest.
The combination of holding the Olympics in Japan during a pandemic, the greedy overlords of the IOC and the crappy NBC production just turns me off. Add to that the rather contrarian opinion I have of Simone Biles and I just don't want to watch, even though a college friend of my son's participated (I was interested in her result, but that's it).
Oh, I was interested in the Belarusian female track star that stood up to the Belarus National Olympic Committee and refused to board a plane at Haneda for home, standing up to the party hacks and athletic crapmasters who tried to "handle" her.
I find the IOC to be a group of crooks so distasteful that they make Chicago Aldermen/Alderwomen look like saints. I'd rather watch the Miami Marlins play the Arizona Diamondbacks, were such a game on, or the AAA Chicago Cubs play anyone. That's how hard I try to avoid the Olympics.
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Honestly, I've watched less than 20 minutes of the Olympics. I read what jumps out of the computer screen but have no interest.
The combination of holding the Olympics in Japan during a pandemic, the greedy overlords of the IOC and the crappy NBC production just turns me off. Add to that the rather contrarian opinion I have of Simone Biles and I just don't want to watch, even though a college friend of my son's participated (I was interested in her result, but that's it).
Oh, I was interested in the Belarusian female track star that stood up to the Belarus National Olympic Committee and refused to board a plane at Haneda for home, standing up to the party hacks and athletic crapmasters who tried to "handle" her.
I find the IOC to be a group of crooks so distasteful that they make Chicago Aldermen/Alderwomen look like saints. I'd rather watch the Miami Marlins play the Arizona Diamondbacks, were such a game on, or the AAA Chicago Cubs play anyone. That's how hard I try to avoid the Olympics.
I certainly agree 100% with what you say about the Olympic committee.
I disagree with canceling the Games ONLY because it is a once in 4 years event and would mean that a great many of the athletes would never have a chance to participate in a lifelong dream.
But, if you don’t want to watch because the IOC is corrupt (maybe the most corrupt ruling body other than soccer), wouldn’t you feel the same about MLB, the NCAA, USA Gymnastics, and others?
Interested in your take on this.
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I certainly agree 100% with what you say about the Olympic committee.
I disagree with canceling the Games ONLY because it is a once in 4 years event and would mean that a great many of the athletes would never have a chance to participate in a lifelong dream.
But, if you don’t want to watch because the IOC is corrupt (maybe the most corrupt ruling body other than soccer), wouldn’t you feel the same about MLB, the NCAA, USA Gymnastics, and others?
Interested in your take on this.
Brother Jockey:
Thanks for your insights and thoughtful response to my criticisms of the Olympics. I'll try to address some of your comments, not necessarily in order.
1) You imply the Olympics are for the athletes. I truly wish this was accurate. While there are many fine athletes who never will get the notoriety of a women's gymnast or a men's basketball team, the Olympics clearly aren't for the athletes. They're for the IOC, the major national OOCs around the world and the worldwide sponsors of the games. In short, ever since Peter Ueberroth made millions for the 1984 LA Olympics, the games have been about money and about sponsors. The athletes are props to sell everything from Coca Cola to Toyotas. They're like news in a newspaper -- the news exists so advertisers can sell their product and everyone (except the reporters) used to get rich.
2) The IOC is a bunch of thieves. The bribery and shenanigans that go on in Geneva are on a level most crooks can only dream about. The bribery and deceit associated with awarding the games dating back to who knows when is world class. Atlanta and Salt Lake clearly are games where I suspect large amounts of cash exchanged hands. The failure for decades to deal with eastern bloc professionalism in their national teams was disgusting. The way the IOC misled Chicago and the USA to believe they had any chance at the 2016 Olympics -- to the point where the President of the United States made Chicago's presentation to the IOC on the mistaken belief Chicago and the USA would be taken seriously -- was a slap in the face of all Americans.
For the record, what happened in awarding the 2016 games was disgraceful but I'm kinda glad Chicago didn't get them. The corruption, fraud, cost overruns and the usual nonsense that goes on in Chicago would be fed steroids. With that much money thrown around, only God could guess how much Mayor Daley would have wasted. And, while the Olympics were here, IOC executives expected express lanes on major expressways and major city streets reserved for their exclusive use. That's not how America works.
3) I will concede the NCAA is at best inept and at worst so self-interested that they're the monkeys that see, hear and speak no evil. Unless, of course, it's politically correct to punish someone. They're gradually becoming irrelevant and they have no say to speak of over most of college football. I don't watch their tournament either, unless of course our Warriors are in it and even then, watching Wojo's teams was a painful experience.
4) MLB is complicit in the steroid mess ad infinitum. It's do as I say, not as I do. And I'm still waiting to see how MLB's harvesting of players in the Dominican Republic has had any effect on the lives of the people who live there. But darn it I love the game. I'll admit I am a hypocrite here.
5) I really hate when politics and sports collide. The world is a tough place and I've always thought sporting events are a respite from the problems I face each day. But when some overpaid athlete uses his employer's forum to communicate a political message, I usually find something else to do. That's especially true of the Olympics, which have been politicized since at least 1936. I turned off a Marquette game last year because the players were engaging in political protest -- we got clobbered and I think a big part of it was our athletes' heads not being in the game that night.
I don't fault athletes for protesting and speaking up. That's their right. But I do fault them for using their employer's forum to make their point. If most of us did that, we'd be fired!
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Great post, dgies.
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I love Olympic baseball, every roster has recognizable names, it’s fun to watch, glad it’s back.
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That’s his wife but your point remains valid.
We really do take for granted the success of the US at the Olympics. My moms side of the family is Colombian, and every World Cup/Tour de France/Olympic event that a Colombian athlete has a chance at is national viewing.
Honestly quite refreshing.
The implication I was making is how important it was to Melissa, her husband, and their family. The links show David watching Melissa, as well as tells part of their story.
Not sure where you are located, but the owners of La Merenda/Engine Company Number 3 restaurants in Milwaukee are part Colombian. Good food, good people. Ask for Pete or Sonia. They’d be happy to talk all things Colombia. Pete is an MU alum, and he met his Colombian American wife Sonia in Atlanta (Decatur where his uncle owned a restaurant)
The good stories are not just about the American Athletes. And, by the way, the Track and Field has been electric. So good.
Anna Cockrell (USC) made the 400 Meter Hurdle Final. (Sydney McLaughlin, Dalilah Muhammad etc so good) Her brother Ross is a Cornerback of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Tampa Bay had a watch party for her as well. Anna was thrilled to make the Olympic team and the final.
https://twitter.com/buccaneers/status/1422198283355795463?s=21
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That’s his wife but your point remains valid.
We really do take for granted the success of the US at the Olympics. My moms side of the family is Colombian, and every World Cup/Tour de France/Olympic event that a Colombian athlete has a chance at is national viewing.
Honestly quite refreshing.
I just don't think the Olympics are as important to the American public as they used to be. Yeah they still draw good ratings, but I remember as a kid watchin the 1980 opening ceremonies live in my sixth grade classroom. And the 1984 Olympics in LA were the first summer games in the US since the 30s and had huge numbers. The SI preview was like a book.
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And, by the way, the Track and Field has been electric. So good... Anna Cockrell (USC) made the 400 Meter Hurdle Final. (Sydney McLaughlin, Dalilah Muhammad etc so good)
That race was fantastic. Honestly, for me, it was one of the most memorable Olympic events in my lifetime.
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I just don't think the Olympics are as important to the American public as they used to be. Yeah they still draw good ratings, but I remember as a kid watchin the 1980 opening ceremonies live in my sixth grade classroom. And the 1984 Olympics in LA were the first summer games in the US since the 30s and had huge numbers. The SI preview was like a book.
That being said, I think NBC will be showing a lot more live from Paris in three years, and LA in seven years will be huge.
I also hope they will strip down their coverage too. It is really over-produced.
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Rice Lake, WI native Kenny Bednarek won the silver in the 200m. Another American finished third for the bronze.
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That race was fantastic. Honestly, for me, it was one of the most memorable Olympic events in my lifetime.
Yep, and that’s just the races themselves, which have been as good as it gets. You can do stories about Dalilah growing up in Jamaica/Bayside/Rochdale Village Queens, NYC, or Sydney in Dunellin/Scotch Plains/NJ or Anna in CA/NC.
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Rice Lake, WI native Kenny Bednarek won the silver in the 200m. Another American finished third for the bronze.
Is there something about Rice Lake that produces such great athletes in Olympic sports?
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Is there something about Rice Lake that produces such great athletes in Olympic sports?
Well, Kung Fu Kenny is no Wally...
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Yep, and that’s just the races themselves, which have been as good as it gets. You can do stories about Dalilah growing up in Jamaica/Bayside/Rochdale Village Queens, NYC, or Sydney in Dunellin/Scotch Plains/NJ or Anna in CA/NC.
I was going to say, I love the McLaughlin family. That huge family watch-in at her old high school was genuine.
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I was going to say, I love the McLaughlin family. That huge family watch-in at her old high school was genuine.
Yep. Just 21 years old, bridging gap with Delilah. Athing Mu winning Gold in the 800 meters with her south Sudanese family back in Trenton. Just 19 years old herself.
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Athing Mu winning Gold in the 800 meters with her south Sudanese family back in Trenton. Just 19 years old herself.
Another extraordinary race. It was amazing how Mu ran that race and for a very brief moment -- probably at about 650 meters or so -- I wasn't sure she was going to pull it off. But she did. And what a fantastic finish by Raevyn Rogers to grab the bronze!
As you said, the track and field has been "electric."
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The Canadian Decathlete's first two events would have qualified him for the 100M Open semis, and the bronze medal in the long jump.
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Another extraordinary race. It was amazing how Mu ran that race and for a very brief moment -- probably at about 650 meters or so -- I wasn't sure she was going to pull it off. But she did. And what a fantastic finish by Raevyn Rogers to grab the bronze!
Super aggressive to the front. 57 in first 400. Her older brother ran the half mile at Penn St.
As you said, the track and field has been "electric."
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I know the interview of wrestling gold medalist Tamyra Mensah-Stock (https://youtu.be/c_s2IbQ1Arg) is getting a lot of publicity because of her final comments about USA and the flag, but I loved the entire thing. Unbridled joy is compelling.
My favorite part:
"In your wildest imagination, did you think you would ever win an Olympic gold medal?"
"Yes! One-hundred percent yes! I knew I could do it. I knew it would be hard. I prayed that I could do it. In my wildest dreams I knew."
Runner up:
"Enjoy that gold...we'll see you out there on the podium..."
"Thank you. I'll try not to cry, but no promises."
She was a delight.
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I know the interview of wrestling gold medalist Tamyra Mensah-Stock (https://youtu.be/c_s2IbQ1Arg) is getting a lot of publicity because of her final comments about USA and the flag, but I loved the entire thing. Unbridled joy is compelling.
My favorite part:
"In your wildest imagination, did you think you would ever win an Olympic gold medal?"
"Yes! One-hundred percent yes! I knew I could do it. I knew it would be hard. I prayed that I could do it. In my wildest dreams I knew."
Runner up:
"Enjoy that gold...we'll see you out there on the podium..."
"Thank you. I'll try not to cry, but no promises."
She was a delight.
Thanks for posting that interview.
What an amazing, powerful, inspiring person. She will succeed big-time at life.
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What an amazing, powerful, inspiring person. She will succeed big-time at life.
Agreed. To paraphrase her, I'm excited to see what she has next too.
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I know the interview of wrestling gold medalist Tamyra Mensah-Stock (https://youtu.be/c_s2IbQ1Arg) is getting a lot of publicity because of her final comments about USA and the flag, but I loved the entire thing. Unbridled joy is compelling.
My favorite part:
"In your wildest imagination, did you think you would ever win an Olympic gold medal?"
"Yes! One-hundred percent yes! I knew I could do it. I knew it would be hard. I prayed that I could do it. In my wildest dreams I knew."
Runner up:
"Enjoy that gold...we'll see you out there on the podium..."
"Thank you. I'll try not to cry, but no promises."
She was a delight.
She's awesome. Best story of the entire Olympics. Hopefully she picks up a few endorsements.
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US doesn't qualify in the 4x100 relay with just an absolutely HORRID qualifying run.
And the HEAVY fav and World Champion Holloway loses himself mid race and barely edges out Silver.
Rough day for US sprinters. Good thing the throwers are holding it down.
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US doesn't qualify in the 4x100 relay with just an absolutely HORRID qualifying run.
That relay by the US was embarrassing, especially the botched handoff. It’s ridiculous the US can’t even qualify.
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That relay by the US was embarrassing, especially the botched handoff. It’s ridiculous the US can’t even qualify.
They would probably be better off following the Chinese/Japanese model of having a designated relay team that always competes together at this one event rather than trying to make an all-star team. They again failed at the basic added skill of the event. I'd guess if you took our 7th-10th fastest in the individual event and spent 4 years making them a team, they'd end up on the podium instead of eliminated in a heat.
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I know the interview of wrestling gold medalist Tamyra Mensah-Stock (https://youtu.be/c_s2IbQ1Arg) is getting a lot of publicity because of her final comments about USA and the flag, but I loved the entire thing. Unbridled joy is compelling.
My favorite part:
"In your wildest imagination, did you think you would ever win an Olympic gold medal?"
"Yes! One-hundred percent yes! I knew I could do it. I knew it would be hard. I prayed that I could do it. In my wildest dreams I knew."
Runner up:
"Enjoy that gold...we'll see you out there on the podium..."
"Thank you. I'll try not to cry, but no promises."
She was a delight.
Hope she gets the Wheaties Box cover. A real joy.
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Still a lot of time left, but brutal effort so far from Team USA on the hardwood. Careless turnovers, 0-8 from 3, missed wide open layups, not getting back on D.
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I think my post helped motivate them.
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Hope she gets the Wheaties Box cover. A real joy.
nope, too happy and positive for that honor.
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I think my post helped motivate them.
Glad the gold medal game is at a manageable start time. Last night was brutal.
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I'd think the guy who ran the anchor on the 4x100 relay last night (Cravon Gillespie) is relieved that there's been quite a bit of talk about the handoff between the second and third legs because it's removed some focus from the fact that he was sitting in about 3rd when he got the baton...then dropped to 6th. Even with the shaky handoff, they'd have qualified if he'd held his position. It's got to be rough when 0.02 is the difference between qualifying for the finals and going home.
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US Olympian Eddy Alvarez (former White Sox farmhand!) will become the 6th athlete ever to medal in both the summer and winter games. The question now is will he get a baseball gold to match with his speed skating silver.
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This 50K walk is crazy.
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The A-team took care of business on the beach. Enjoyed watching them play together.
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The Gable Steveson finish to his gold medal wrestling match was awesome. Brilliant, improbable comeback in the last 10 seconds with the winning points awarded as time expired.
https://twitter.com/nbcolympics/status/1423612487811964928?s=21
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Then there is this...
https://twitter.com/Jason_Keen/status/1423599013308272644?s=20
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The Gable Steveson finish to his gold medal wrestling match was awesome. Brilliant, improbable comeback in the last 10 seconds with the winning points awarded as time expired.
https://twitter.com/nbcolympics/status/1423612487811964928?s=21
I hadn't seen that. That was fantastic!
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Then there is this...
https://twitter.com/Jason_Keen/status/1423599013308272644?s=20
Good for the horse, tbh
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Good for the horse, tbh
Pretty wild that there is an Olympic equestrian event where you get a random horse. Be like having an F1 race start with drivers jumping into cars set up like you're in queue at a go-kart track, except the cars have temperaments and emotions.
Of course the comments below the video are a sh**show of ignorance and people acting like horse riding and equestrian is tantamount to dolphin slaughter.
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Pretty wild that there is an Olympic equestrian event where you get a random horse. Be like having an F1 race start with drivers jumping into cars set up like you're in queue at a go-kart track, except the cars have temperaments and emotions.
Kind of what I was thinking. Pretty funny though that the OP comment is "imagine having a random horse ruin your dream." Like - that random horse is the point/nature of the sport. Seems like if you don't want to risk your success on a random horse, that's the wrong sport.
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Kind of what I was thinking. Pretty funny though that the OP comment is "imagine having a random horse ruin your dream." Like - that random horse is the point/nature of the sport. Seems like if you don't want to risk your success on a random horse, that's the wrong sport.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Go Molly Seidel!
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USA hoops only up 5 at the half. 19 FT's for the French team. Seems fishy to me.
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USA better wake up. Very poor execution and all iso ball.
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The international FIBA game is such a better tv product than an NBA game.
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The international FIBA game is such a better tv product than an NBA game.
Ya think?
Pretty ugly game but a win is a win. Although team USA has so much more talent it's laughable.
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Ya think?
Pretty ugly game but a win is a win. Although team USA has so much more talent it's laughable.
No multiple tv timeouts during a quarter, no replay reviews, fewer whistles, constant ball movement...absolutely 100% better product to consume on television, yes.
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No multiple tv timeouts during a quarter, no replay reviews, fewer whistles, constant ball movement...absolutely 100% better product to consume on television, yes.
I agree with the time-outs and replays.
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Go Molly Seidel!
Wow, forgot all about her. She had one of the most unreal HS running careers ever. Won the CC, 1600 and 3200 every one of her 4 years. And most of them weren't close. Then I'm pretty sure she swept the distance events again her last year at the gross school in South Bend.
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Of course the comments below the video are a sh**show of ignorance and people acting like horse riding and equestrian is tantamount to dolphin slaughter.
Have never been able to figure out why horses bring out such stupidity in people.
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Golf sweep.
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USA Basketball should have a permanent head coach. Someone to gets to know the FIBA rules, scouts the entire player pool to a scheme rather than just stars, and isn't splitting time with NCAA or NBA. Brad Stevens would be perfect.
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Unbelievable that woke Pop somehow won a gold medal
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USA Basketball should have a permanent head coach. Someone to gets to know the FIBA rules, scouts the entire player pool to a scheme rather than just stars, and isn't splitting time with NCAA or NBA. Brad Stevens would be perfect.
Durant is so good that it didn't matter but your point about scheme is well taken. I didn't see a scheme whatsoever. I wasn't impressed at all with the coaching Brewcity.
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USA Basketball should have a permanent head coach. Someone to gets to know the FIBA rules, scouts the entire player pool to a scheme rather than just stars, and isn't splitting time with NCAA or NBA. Brad Stevens would be perfect.
The problem is the competitions are not frequent enough. You have the Olympics and the FIBA World Cup. Contrast with soccer and their permanent national team managers, you don't have a Gold Cup, a Confed Cup, lots of friendlies, long stage qualifying, etc... And even the FIBA World Cup isn't a huge draw. Look at the 2019 roster.
Nobody that could have an NBA or good NCAA job would want it. You'd get a Larry Brown type at best.
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All of that angst seems amusing in retrospect.
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The USA is fine just doing what they are doing. A lot of the problem this year was an NBA season that ran longer.
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The problem is the competitions are not frequent enough. You have the Olympics and the FIBA World Cup. Contrast with soccer and their permanent national team managers, you don't have a Gold Cup, a Confed Cup, lots of friendlies, long stage qualifying, etc... And even the FIBA World Cup isn't a huge draw. Look at the 2019 roster.
Nobody that could have an NBA or good NCAA job would want it. You'd get a Larry Brown type at best.
It depends on how big you make the job. They could also coach the youth teams, that way you get the scheme imprint in early. Stevens is admittedly shooting for the moon, but I do think there are up and coming college coaches that would take it. And from a scheme perspective & adjusting to different rules, that might be best. Possibly a Grant McCasland or Mark Pope.
Alternately, you could look overseas for a coach. Maybe a Dan Fleming type with American roots but schooled in the European style.
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It depends on how big you make the job. They could also coach the youth teams, that way you get the scheme imprint in early. Stevens is admittedly shooting for the moon, but I do think there are up and coming college coaches that would take it. And from a scheme perspective & adjusting to different rules, that might be best. Possibly a Grant McCasland or Mark Pope.
Alternately, you could look overseas for a coach. Maybe a Dan Fleming type with American roots but schooled in the European style.
eighties.
Wojo.
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Unbelievable that woke Pop somehow won a gold medal
Tough day for “real” Americans
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4x400 Relay Gold. 3:16.85. 5th fastest ever.
McLaughlin 49:96
Felix 49:58
Muhammad 48:97
Mu 48:34
https://twitter.com/teamusa/status/1423995420355616769?s=21
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Wow, forgot all about her. She had one of the most unreal HS running careers ever. Won the CC, 1600 and 3200 every one of her 4 years. And most of them weren't close. Then I'm pretty sure she swept the distance events again her last year at the gross school in South Bend.
I was surprised to hear that her first marathon ever was the US Olympic trials in 2020. The Olympics was only her third marathon. Incredible.
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Unbelievable that woke Pop somehow won a gold medal
I await Hutch telling us how wrong he was.
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Settle in. It will be a while.
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The USA is fine just doing what they are doing. A lot of the problem this year was an NBA season that ran longer.
This. There's no reason to change anything. It's a basketball tournament, not WW3, and the U.S. won it again despite all the potshots some took at the coach and the athletes.
As long as the U.S. is gonna use NBA players, there is no way to have a true "national team." There are only a couple/few events that matter, and these guys are walking, talking corporations who aren't going to dedicate their lives to competing in them (nor should they). You can't throw a dozen multibazillionaire alpha dogs together for a couple weeks and wonder why they don't play like a well-oiled machine.
As long as they make the commitment, play hard and succeed in the end, what else do folks want from them?
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I await Hutch telling us how wrong he was.
They overwhelmed the field with talent plus having Durant carried them.
I never said they wouldn’t win gold knowing they easily had the most talented team. Given their talent level to overcome any coaching, my comments should have been toned down. Otherwise, I was pointing out how terrible and embarrassing their play was as it was happening as others here and all over did too.
Btw, where were you supporting Pop and saying everything will be fine when things were bad? What a man coming out of your hole on the topic after the fact and singling me out.
But nice to know I’m living rent free.
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They overwhelmed the field with talent plus having Durant carried them.
I never said they wouldn’t win gold knowing they easily had the most talented team. Given their talent level to overcome any coaching, my comments should have been toned down. Otherwise, I was pointing out how terrible and embarrassing their play was as it was happening as others here and all over did too.
Btw, where were you supporting Pop and saying everything will be fine when things were bad? What a man coming out of your hole on the topic after the fact and singling me out.
But nice to know I’m living rent free.
Yeah, what does Gregg Popovich know about coaching. Great coach, better human being
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Settle in. It will be a while.
I’m right here Wojo lover.
Where were you until now telling us everything would be just fine and dandy?
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I had already said it.
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They overwhelmed the field with talent plus having Durant carried them.
I never said they wouldn’t win gold knowing they easily had the most talented team. Given their talent level to overcome any coaching, my comments should have been toned down. Otherwise, I was pointing out how terrible and embarrassing their play was as it was happening as others here and all over did too.
Btw, where were you supporting Pop and saying everything will be fine when things were bad? What a man coming out of your hole on the topic after the fact and singling me out.
But nice to know I’m living rent free.
Their talent level (Durant in particular) was able to overcome any coaching issues. This is 100% accurate. And the fact that this team lost to both France and Australia, with their talent disparity, despite FIBA officiating, is honestly beyond comprehension. Take a look at the USA roster vs these teams? All of us could roll the balls out and play iso Kevin.
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Yeah, what does Gregg Popovich know about coaching. Great coach, better human being
You know him personally?
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You know him personally?
Yes, I sell him insurance
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Yes, I sell him insurance
Really? Cool.
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Their talent level (Durant in particular) was able to overcome any coaching issues. This is 100% accurate. And the fact that this team lost to both France and Australia, with their talent disparity, despite FIBA officiating, is honestly beyond comprehension. Take a look at the USA roster vs these teams? All of us could roll the balls out and play iso Kevin.
Goal: Gold medal.
Result: Accomplished.
Comportment: Professional, and seemingly proud to have represented America.
Mission accomplished. The rest is meaningless.
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Goal: Gold medal.
Result: Accomplished.
Comportment: Professional, and seemingly proud to have represented America.
Mission accomplished. The rest is meaningless.
In the end it's ultimately about winning and losing but I wouldn't go so far and say everything else is meaningless. Dominating is preferable and should be the goal imo. The results should have been similar to a Blue Whale vs Krill if we're going to be honest.:)
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The days of domination are over. Too many good players in too many places. Half of the team from France has NBA experience. They sent their best. The USA didn't. International hoops is also different. Ball movement resembled team handball. So be it.
Going forward, i can see a scenario like the Ryder Cup in that less talented groups with more team spirit defeat a more talented team.
Who replaces Krause? Who is the next coach? Full time or side gig? They don't get much better than K and Pop. How much buy in from the top players?
The margin for error is diminishing.
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The days of domination are over. Too many good players in too many places. Half of the team from France has NBA experience. They sent their best. The USA didn't. International hoops is also different. Ball movement resembled team handball. So be it.
Going forward, i can see a scenario like the Ryder Cup in that less talented groups with more team spirit defeat a more talented team.
Who replaces Krause? f Who is the next coach? Full time or side gig? They don't get much better than K and Pop. How much buy in from the top players?
The margin for error is diminishing.
Tower, are you saying the USA talent vs France isn't vastly superior? I vehemently disagree if that's your take.
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The days of domination are over. Too many good players in too many places. Half of the team from France has NBA experience. They sent their best. The USA didn't. International hoops is also different. Ball movement resembled team handball. So be it.
Going forward, i can see a scenario like the Ryder Cup in that less talented groups with more team spirit defeat a more talented team.
Who replaces Krause? Who is the next coach? Full time or side gig? They don't get much better than K and Pop. How much buy in from the top players?
The margin for error is diminishing.
Half the the team from France has NBA experience. Our entire team were front line stars until they inexplicably added Keldon Johnson and McGee.
USA talent still overwhelms what any other country can put together. Is the disparity between US and the world as great as back in ‘92? No. But US still has the vast majority of the world’s best, and what we don’t have is spread very thin among the rest of the world where no othe country except US can put a super group of NBA stars together and it still isn’t our 1A team.
I’m tired of this myth that the world is so close to us now in men’s basketball.
We were 75-1 under Coach K and hadn’t lost since 2006 until Pop came along and finished 7th in the 2019 World Cup, lost to the powerhouse Nigerian team, lost the Olympic opener, and had to grind out wins to get the gold.
Fix the coaching and we’ll be cruising again.
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As we see time and time again, the team with the most talent doesn’t always win. Many international teams have been playing together for years. The US team plays together maybe in the All Star game and a short training camp with some continuity year to year.
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As we see time and time again, the team with the most talent doesn’t always win. Many international teams have been playing together for years. The US team plays together maybe in the All Star game and a short training camp with some continuity year to year.
NBA All Star game counts as an actual basketball game? Who knew? (just having fun with your comment)
The depth and talent of US basketball should only require a short training camp together to roll the rest of the world. Coach K proved that over 3 Olympic golds where the outcome was never seriously in doubt like this year. We’re not playing the world all stars, it’s still just individual countries with many deficiencies to exploit.
It would be nice to have core of 4-5 guys the next couple Olympics for some continuity, but not essential.
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In the end it's ultimately about winning and losing but I wouldn't go so far and say everything else is meaningless. Dominating is preferable and should be the goal imo. The results should have been similar to a Blue Whale vs Krill if we're going to be honest.:)
One goal: Gold Medal.
Mission accomplished.
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Not going to lie, Artistic Swimming may be one of the most impressive sports in the olympics.
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Half the the team from France has NBA experience. Our entire team were front line stars until they inexplicably added Keldon Johnson and McGee.
USA talent still overwhelms what any other country can put together. Is the disparity between US and the world as great as back in ‘92? No. But US still has the vast majority of the world’s best, and what we don’t have is spread very thin among the rest of the world where no othe country except US can put a super group of NBA stars together and it still isn’t our 1A team.
I’m tired of this myth that the world is so close to us now in men’s basketball.
We were 75-1 under Coach K and hadn’t lost since 2006 until Pop came along and finished 7th in the 2019 World Cup, lost to the powerhouse Nigerian team, lost the Olympic opener, and had to grind out wins to get the gold.
Fix the coaching and we’ll be cruising again.
We know why you hate Pop, so there is no need to argue.
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Pop did an outstanding coaching job to win the gold. This was certainly the weakest US team since the 1980s and it’s not even close. There was only one all-time Top 50 player on the US team. Only one player who was the clear cut star of an NBA team.
They flew over there with 8 players. 3 players arrived and played with the team for the 1st time in Tokyo.
People that think we should dominate every game know little about basketball. In fact, some have admitted they don’t even follow the NBA.
Teams around the world get better every year. That started because of the Dream Team making basketball a truly world sport. Yet we still won despite missing every NBA star but one. That is great coaching.
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Greg Popovitch, Steve Kerr, Jay Wright. Yeah we need better coaching. Somebody who can come up with a scheme. And doesn't talk all that liberal smack.
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We know why you hate Pop, so there is no need to argue.
We also know why all of you love Pop and wouldn’t dare criticize him and aren’t offering the slightest critique of anything about him. Cuts both ways, doesn’t it? I’ve now admitted and been way more honest than you Pop lovers ever will about biases.
His own players on this team were grumbling about his coaching. We all saw how Durant and all their talent had to win it in spite of what a lousy job he did. No one will want him near USA Basketball again, that’s for sure. He lost way more with NBA guys than anyone before him and it isn’t close. So there is plenty of legit criticism and looking objectively isn’t there?
But tell me more what a wonderful human being he is because he’s generally lock step with you on being a leftist.
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We also know why all of you love Pop and wouldn’t dare criticize him and aren’t offering the slightest critique of anything about him. Cuts both ways, doesn’t it? I’ve now admitted and been way more honest than you Pop lovers ever will about biases.
His own players on this team were grumbling about his coaching. We all saw how Durant and all their talent had to win it in spite of what a lousy job he did. No one will want him near USA Basketball again, that’s for sure. He lost way more with NBA guys than anyone before him and it isn’t close. So there is plenty of legit criticism and looking objectively isn’t there?
But tell me more what a wonderful human being he is because he’s generally lock step with you on being a leftist.
I have criticized him before. I have also criticized Phil Jackson numerous times.
Far and away, the least talent on an Olympic team since 1988. Far less talented than 1984. And as I mentioned, the whole team never had one single practice together before the start of the games.
He lost one game with this team. So yeah, a lot more. ::)
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Pop did an outstanding coaching job to win the gold. This was certainly the weakest US team since the 1980s and it’s not even close. There was only one all-time Top 50 player on the US team. Only one player who was the clear cut star of an NBA team.
They flew over there with 8 players. 3 players arrived and played with the team for the 1st time in Tokyo.
People that think we should dominate every game know little about basketball. In fact, some have admitted they don’t even follow the NBA.
Teams around the world get better every year. That started because of the Dream Team making basketball a truly world sport. Yet we still won despite missing every NBA star but one. That is great coaching.
Jockey, with all due respect, your "only one clear cut star of his team" contention is pretty much nonsensical. Even if that was true are you saying Pippen shouldn't have made Olympic teams or Penny Hardaway when he played with Shaq? Are not Booker, Tatum, Lillard, Lavine, (Beal) with Durant all considered the best player on their team? Weren't Middleton and Holiday the 2nd/3rd best player on a championship team? Is Adebayo one of the best Centers in the league? The idea that this was some mediocre collection of players is quite frankly ridiculous. Would you rather have the "clear cut best player" on the NBA bottom feeders? Please.
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I have criticized him before. I have also criticized Phil Jackson numerous times.
Far and away, the least talent on an Olympic team since 1988. Far less talented than 1984. And as I mentioned, the whole team never had one single practice together before the start of the games.
He lost one game with this team. So yeah, a lot more. ::)
That’s right, ignore any losses you don’t like since it doesn’t help you.
This being a “far less” talented team than ‘84 is beyond idiotic.
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I would argue the '96 team was better than the original Dream Team. People forget that Bird could barely move and Magic hadn't played since his HIV diagnosis.
Durant's performances saved us, period. Let's also not forget Wade was by far the best player in "08 despite the slobbering over Kobe and LeBron.
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Looking at the past rosters I would argue 2000, 2004, and 2016 has less talented teams.
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84 was still college players.
I have been a Popovich fan because he wins championships. Other than the one when the Spurs beat the Pistons. I had no idea about his politics until long after I was a fan of his coaching.
So, who is the next coach? Kerr? Jay? Back to K in retirement with help from Roy?
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His own players on this team were grumbling about his coaching.
Link please.
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Link please.
No problem. You’re welcome.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/07/26/report-team-usa-players-grumbling-about-san-antonio-offense/amp/
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So, who is the next coach? Kerr? Jay? Back to K in retirement with help from Roy?
Jay would be a great choice I think and believe he could relate well with the players. He’s one of America’s best.
I like Brew’s idea of Stevens too.
Thibodeau and Spoelstra would be good choices too.
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That’s the best you can come up with? Some unsupported statement by some guy named Joe Vardan. Which is criticised in your post by some guy named Dan Feldman.
Mugsy says the problem is that there was no “scheme“. Joe Vardan says the problem is that they were running the “San Antonio" scheme. Which is it?
I don’t suspect there was any grumbling after last night. I also suspect this is all about politics.
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Jockey, with all due respect, your "only one clear cut star of his team" contention is pretty much nonsensical. Even if that was true are you saying Pippen shouldn't have made Olympic teams or Penny Hardaway when he played with Shaq? Are not Booker, Tatum, Lillard, Lavine, (Beal) with Durant all considered the best player on their team? Weren't Middleton and Holiday the 2nd/3rd best player on a championship team? Is Adebayo one of the best Centers in the league? The idea that this was some mediocre collection of players is quite frankly ridiculous. Would you rather have the "clear cut best player" on the NBA bottom feeders? Please.
Durant is the only real star. Sorry, but I'm not one of those that call everyone a superstar. Yes, several very good players on this team. But Durant is the only one who will be a top 50 all-timer at the end of his career. Incidentally, Pippen is generally considered to be a top 25-35 all-timer.
Also, if you could refer me to where I said this was a "mediocre" collection of players, I would appreciate it.
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That’s the best you can come up with? Some unsupported statement by some guy named Joe Vardan. Which is criticised in your post by some guy named Dan Feldman.
Mugsy says the problem is that there was no “scheme“. Joe Vardan says the problem is that they were running the “San Antonio" scheme. Which is it?
I don’t suspect there was any grumbling after last night. I also suspect this is all about politics.
You’re making a fool of yourself, but keep going if you must.
As for your question, maybe ask Muggs since he said it and I didn’t.
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84 was still college players.
I have been a Popovich fan because he wins championships. Other than the one when the Spurs beat the Pistons. I had no idea about his politics until long after I was a fan of his coaching.
So, who is the next coach? Kerr? Jay? Back to K in retirement with help from Roy?
No one really had much of an idea about his politics until about 5 years ago. He's a tremendous NBA coach but the International game is quite different. We're all entitled to out opinion but I didn't think the competition was strong Tower. Other than Doncic and Gobert the teams with NBA guys were not exactly stars.
As for the next coach I'd probably go with Nate McMillan, Monty W, Wright, Few, Snyder, Beard, Lue,, etc.
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You’re making a fool of yourself, but keep going if you must.
Eloquently put Robespierre. I always appreciate a good ad hominem.
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That’s the best you can come up with? Some unsupported statement by some guy named Joe Vardan. Which is criticised in your post by some guy named Dan Feldman.
Mugsy says the problem is that there was no “scheme“. Joe Vardan says the problem is that they were running the “San Antonio" scheme. Which is it?
I don’t suspect there was any grumbling after last night. I also suspect this is all about politics.
I saw mostly iso ball. What exactly was the scheme in your opinion? Thx.
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Looking at the past rosters I would argue 2000, 2004, and 2016 has less talented teams.
2000 had 3 guys considered top 50 all-time.
2004 had LeBron, Duncan, Iverson, Wade and Anthony. 2 top 10 all-timers. Anyone who doesn't realize how much better the talent was than this year shouldn't even be discussing this. Completely clueless.
2016 - Durant. Irving, Klay and (close to his prime) Carmelo each better than the 2nd best player this year.
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I saw mostly iso ball. What exactly was the scheme in your opinion? Thx.
Iso is the scheme. The whole point is to get your best player(s) one-on-one based on mismatches in the defense.
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I saw mostly iso ball. What exactly was the scheme in your opinion? Thx.
Don't know anything about "schemes". I thought the USA was at a real disadvantage because of lack of muscle and size. This was shown by their need to foul Gubert every time he got the ball down low. I think they were out rebounded almost every game. Also Lillard did not play up to expectations, and they did not have a true point guard until Holiday showed up.The difference between the way they played before and after the first France game was the difference between night and day.
I liked the way the coaches substituted. I liked the way the team played defense, and for the most part I liked the way they hustled.
They had three of the greatest coaches in the history of basketball and I thought they coached to the back of their baseball cards.
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2000 had 3 guys considered top 50 all-time.
2004 had LeBron, Duncan, Iverson, Wade and Anthony. 2 top 10 all-timers. Anyone who doesn't realize how much better the talent was than this year shouldn't even be discussing this. Completely clueless.
2016 - Durant. Irving, Klay and (close to his prime) Carmelo each better than the 2nd best player this year.
You have to take the level of these players in the context of where they were in their careers. As for Duncan? He was vastly different in the NBA vs the Olympics. 2004 Wade, Melo, and Lebron were 1st yr players. If you don't think Lillard, Tatum, and Booker are or on there way to all-time great players I don't know what to say.
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Goal: Gold medal.
Result: Accomplished.
Comportment: Professional, and seemingly proud to have represented America.
Mission accomplished. The rest is meaningless.
Yes, includin' weather orr knot Pop is a good human bein'. 50-50 on rockin' da ass hole hat, aina?
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Lillard, Tatum, and Booker all average over 26+ a game. Their stats compare very favorably to Iverson, Wade, and Carmelo in 2004. And Lillard and Tatum were significantly more efficient than Carmelo or Iverson. You're not considering how good these guys are and where they'll be when they retire. You're stuck on this "Top 50" subjective stuff Jockey.
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Don't know anything about "schemes". I thought the USA was at a real disadvantage because of lack of muscle and size. This was shown by their need to foul Gubert every time he got the ball down low. I think they were out rebounded almost every game. Also Lillard did not play up to expectations, and they did not have a true point guard until Holiday showed up.The difference between the way they played before and after the first France game was the difference between night and day.
I liked the way the coaches substituted. I liked the way the team played defense, and for the most part I liked the way they hustled.
They had three of the greatest coaches in the history of basketball and I thought they coached to the back of their baseball cards.
I respectfully disagree but appreciate the explanation. You're right about Lillard and France had two enormous guys. I think the rotations were also perfectly fine. We certainly had enough overall size and didn't play one of our bigs. Offensively, I didn't think we were particularly good or fluid. I saw mostly a take turns approach and over-jacking 3pt shots. I don't think by any means it was horrible coaching but I wouldn't call it exemplary.
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I guess their offense was get the ball to KD. That was Nash's offense at Brooklyn and it got them within an inch of knocking off the eventual champs.
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I guess their offense was get the ball to KD. That was Nash's offense at Brooklyn and it got them within an inch of knocking off the eventual champs.
He's arguably the greatest pure scorer in the history of the sport. I get it but at the same time he wasn't playing with 3/4 other guys on the floor all capable of dropping 30 during the playoffs this year. I guess I'm biased but I felt we should hammer all of these teams.
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Lillard, Tatum, and Booker all average over 26+ a game. Their stats compare very favorably to Iverson, Wade, and Carmelo in 2004. And Lillard and Tatum were significantly more efficient than Carmelo or Iverson. You're not considering how good these guys are and where they'll be when they retire. You're stuck on this "Top 50" subjective stuff Jockey.
I like to talk about great players when the subject is great players.
That aside, I enjoy the discussion with you. I never have a problem when people disagree with me. It would be a pretty boring world if everyone thought like me.
Stupidity is my pet peeve. That is why I only have one person on ignore. (Obviously not you).
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I like to talk about great players when the subject is great players.
That aside, I enjoy the discussion with you. I never have a problem when people disagree with me. It would be a pretty boring world if everyone thought like me.
Stupidity is my pet peeve. That is why I only have one person on ignore. (Obviously not you).
No worries Jockey. I respect your opinion and enjoy the banter as well.
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Holiday and Middleton with both the gold and the World Championship.
(https://www.denofgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/eatonlanetagbelts.jpg)
RIP Bobby
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https://twitter.com/Gimme_a_Buck/status/1424003286999384066?s=20
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Yes, includin' weather orr knot Pop is a good human bein'. 50-50 on rockin' da ass hole hat, aina?
Huh?
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I like to talk about great players when the subject is great players.
Lillard has 6 All-NBA selections and a ROY award in 9 NBA seasons. Every retired player with 6 or more All-NBA selections is in the HOF. If he manages to get another 2 selections, not wild to think given he's only 31 and doesn't have a ton of miles, there will be less than 30 players all time with more. He'd be tied with Wade at 8 too.
Say what you will about the talent on the team, but saying Durant was the only "clear cut" star, much less the only HOF player on the team, is just patently untrue.
Since Carmelo was mentioned, he has 6 All NBA for his career, but no 1st teams and only 2 2nds, to Lillards 1 and 4. Also, Lillard has been to 2 more ASG's by this point in Melo's career. Lillard is a HOF track player who has been let down by the Portland FO. He gets another All-NBA next year and he catches Nash, Pippen, Ewing, and AI.
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The US was never NOT going to win gold.
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I don’t suspect there was any grumbling after last night. I also suspect this is all about politics.
Can't speak for anyone but myself, but my suggestion of a dedicated full time USA Basketball head coach that runs the program from the underage teams on up came after they won Gold. And I love the politics of both Pop and Kerr.
This team winning gold is great, but it's clear the world is catching up and throwing stars together with the cohesion coming on the fly will only last so long, no matter who the coach is.
Install a system, use it for the best players from their early days, figure out not just the best stars, but the ones willing to play in that frame, the best role players, and make it a program, not a novelty.
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Lillard has 6 All-NBA selections and a ROY award in 9 NBA seasons. Every retired player with 6 or more All-NBA selections is in the HOF. If he manages to get another 2 selections, not wild to think given he's only 31 and doesn't have a ton of miles, there will be less than 30 players all time with more. He'd be tied with Wade at 8 too.
Say what you will about the talent on the team, but saying Durant was the only "clear cut" star, much less the only HOF player on the team, is just patently untrue.
Since Carmelo was mentioned, he has 6 All NBA for his career, but no 1st teams and only 2 2nds, to Lillards 1 and 4. Also, Lillard has been to 2 more ASG's by this point in Melo's career. Lillard is a HOF track player who has been let down by the Portland FO. He gets another All-NBA next year and he catches Nash, Pippen, Ewing, and AI.
Mostly agree. I think Lillard probably needs at least 2 more years doing what he has been doing to be a sure fire HoFer. But Durant is the only guy on the team who can win an NBA title as the main man. And even he hasn’t done it yet. Those GS teams were Curry’s even though Durant was his equal on the floor.
My point though was greatness in the context of NBA history so I stand by my post including the great job done by Pop.
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USA Volleyball is throttling the Brazilians. These women are seriously dropping the hammer. Absolute domination.
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1st ever gold medal for women’s volleyball, good for them. The win squeaks the US past China in gold medal count. Didn’t think they were going to catch them.
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Can't speak for anyone but myself, but my suggestion of a dedicated full time USA Basketball head coach that runs the program from the underage teams on up came after they won Gold. And I love the politics of both Pop and Kerr.
This team winning gold is great, but it's clear the world is catching up and throwing stars together with the cohesion coming on the fly will only last so long, no matter who the coach is.
Install a system, use it for the best players from their early days, figure out not just the best stars, but the ones willing to play in that frame, the best role players, and make it a program, not a novelty.
I guess I just don’t understand the marginal value when the current system is working fine.
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1st ever gold medal for women’s volleyball, good for them. The win squeaks the US past China in gold medal count. Didn’t think they were going to catch them.
Congrats to the ladies. Excellent!
We’re one ahead in golds and 25 ahead overall medals at the board I checked this morning. I didn’t think we’d catch up in golds either, been trailing the entire Olympics until late yesterday.
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Women's teams certainly outperforming the men.
Volleyball: Women Gold, Men --
Beach Volleyball: Women Gold, Men --
Water Polo: Women Gold, Men --
Soccer: Women Bronze, Men --
Baseball/Softball: Women Silver, Men Silver
Basketball: Women Gold, Men Gold
Might be some I am missing.
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Nice win by the women vs. Japan but I'm surprised that Muggsy has not posted about the comment by one of the announcers. He commented that during one substitution that Japan had both of their "pint sized point guards" on the court.
One of them- Motohashi-reminded me of the way Paige Bueckers, UCONN's star freshman, plays- always in the right place at the right time. At one point late in the game the block stats were on the TV screen. There were 12!
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I guess I just don’t understand the marginal value when the current system is working fine.
Yep.
And I would suggest that the "rest of the world catching up" is both overblown and a result of the rest of the world building their teams more like the American model, i.e. assembling the best talent available.
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Women's teams certainly outperforming the men.
Volleyball: Women Gold, Men --
Beach Volleyball: Women Gold, Men --
Water Polo: Women Gold, Men --
Soccer: Women Bronze, Men --
Baseball/Softball: Women Silver, Men Silver
Basketball: Women Gold, Men Gold
Might be some I am missing.
Track and field as well.
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The US was never NOT going to win gold.
Yep.
And I would suggest that the "rest of the world catching up" is both overblown and a result of the rest of the world building their teams more like the American model, i.e. assembling the best talent available.
Totally. I mean, if you take out Durant, hell even take out Lillard, the US still had either 3 or 4 of the 5 best players in the Olympics (obviously Luka, but depends how you feel about Gobert vs Tatum, Booker, Middleton, Jrue, Bam, etc...)
The world is producing a lot of talent, but even the other powers like Spain, France, and Australia aren't fielding multiple All-NBA level talents on the floor. Canada is really the only place other than the US that is doing it right now.
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Nice win by the women vs. Japan but I'm surprised that Muggsy has not posted about the comment by one of the announcers. He commented that during one substitution that Japan had both of their "pint sized point guards" on the court.
One of them- Motohashi-reminded me of the way Paige Bueckers, UCONN's star freshman, plays- always in the right place at the right time. At one point late in the game the block stats were on the TV screen. There were 12!
I missed it but thanks for alerting me Snoop Scoop. It's just another example of ubiquitous persecution of diminutive people. "Pint-sized point guards"? That was his exact quote? Smh.
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I missed it but thanks for alerting me Snoop Scoop. It's just another example of ubiquitous persecution of diminutive people. "Pint-sized point guards"? That was his exact quote? Smh.
Yep. I am not making this up. That's what he called them.
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Yep. I am not making this up. That's what he called them.
Well, I'm not sure who coined Howard and Rowsey the "Mighty Mites" but that didn't bother me. Obviously it was a praiseworthy designation. Maybe the announcer wasn't being derogatory but I would have to hear it in context.
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Well, I'm not sure who coined Howard and Rowsey the "Mighty Mites" but that didn't bother me. Obviously it was a praiseworthy designation. Maybe the announcer wasn't being derogatory but I would have to hear it in context.
That's the spirit, Muggs. The same announcer (the male one) was complimentary regarding the point guards' 3 point shooting abilities, speed, competitiveness even when down by 25, and overall feistiness so yes, the announcer (my opinion) was not taking a cheap shot at them. Its just that I picture you maybe going ballistic after his "pint sized" remark.
Since the Japanese were already struggling against the tall Americans, he seemed surprised that they would try putting both point guards on the floor and shoot their way out of the deficit. Of the Americans' 12 blocks, a couple were comically off the American defender's forearm rather than off her hand.
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That's the spirit, Muggs. The same announcer (the male one) was complimentary regarding the point guards' 3 point shooting abilities, speed, competitiveness even when down by 25, and overall feistiness so yes, the announcer (my opinion) was not taking a cheap shot at them. Its just that I picture you maybe going ballistic after his "pint sized" remark.
Since the Japanese were already struggling against the tall Americans, he seemed surprised that they would try putting both point guards on the floor and shoot their way out of the deficit. Of the Americans' 12 blocks, a couple were comically off the American defender's forearm rather than off her hand.
It's also worth noting that Japanese women are on average pretty short. :)
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Love that they brought in Tara LIpinski and Johnny Weir for the closing ceremonies.
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Johnny’s hair, with the Olympic Rings!!!!
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Totally. I mean, if you take out Durant, hell even take out Lillard, the US still had either 3 or 4 of the 5 best players in the Olympics (obviously Luka, but depends how you feel about Gobert vs Tatum, Booker, Middleton, Jrue, Bam, etc...)
The world is producing a lot of talent, but even the other powers like Spain, France, and Australia aren't fielding multiple All-NBA level talents on the floor. Canada is really the only place other than the US that is doing it right now.
My bold prediction: Host country France will win the gold in men's basketball next Olympics.
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My bold prediction: Host country France will win the gold in men's basketball next Olympics.
You may be right. Gobert was great at drawing fouls. Fortunately, he was a really poor FT shooter or the game might have been decided in the final minute, very possibly with the French 2-3 points ahead.
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I don't understand how rhythmic gymnastics is not more popular. It's like a great circus act. I don't understand why the same people that love figure skating don't love that.
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I don't understand how rhythmic gymnastics is not more popular. It's like a great circus act. I don't understand why the same people that love figure skating don't love that.
My guess is that it is because the US is not competitive in that sport, so they don't feature it.
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I saw this story last week and I think it pretty cool that for 2024 the French are planning to completely redo the opening the ceremony as well as the manner several events are held. (A Paris Marathon for the public immediately after the Olympic Marathon Beach Volleyball under the Eiffel Tower and allowing the public to use when there are no Olympic matches, etc.)
The Games to change the Games: Paris 2024 lays out innovative Olympic plan
Dan Wetzel·Columnist
Fri, August 6, 2021, 1:39 AM·3 min read
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-games-to-change-the-games-paris-2024-lays-out-innovative-olympic-plan-063950354.html
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One of my favorite new sports to watch was the Sport Climbing. We watched pretty much all of it -- men and women. It was a lot of fun. Those people are able to do some pretty astonishing things.
On a somewhat related note, if you haven't ever watched Free Solo, you should. Watch it on the biggest, best screen you have available to you.
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One of my favorite new sports to watch was the Sport Climbing. We watched pretty much all of it -- men and women. It was a lot of fun. Those people are able to do some pretty astonishing things.
On a somewhat related note, if you haven't ever watched Free Solo, you should. Watch it on the biggest, best screen you have available to you.
IDK where I watched it but there was a short documentary some months back featuring the presumed American Olympic sport climber competing against Alex Honnold up a series of competition walls, and, of course, totally blowing him away. Honnold did get faster as they progressed but it just goes to show how specialized one becomes. They both acknowledged the special skills the other had. It was cool.
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IDK where I watched it but there was a short documentary some months back featuring the presumed American Olympic sport climber competing against Alex Honnold up a series of competition walls, and, of course, totally blowing him away. Honnold did get faster as they progressed but it just goes to show how specialized one becomes. They both acknowledged the special skills the other had. It was cool.
I'll have to track that down. If you happen to recall where you found it, please post it here or on the "What are you watching" thread.
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One of my favorite new sports to watch was the Sport Climbing. We watched pretty much all of it -- men and women. It was a lot of fun. Those people are able to do some pretty astonishing things.
On a somewhat related note, if you haven't ever watched Free Solo, you should. Watch it on the biggest, best screen you have available to you.
Is that the one that looked like the Aggro Crag? That looked awesome.
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IDK where I watched it but there was a short documentary some months back featuring the presumed American Olympic sport climber competing against Alex Honnold up a series of competition walls, and, of course, totally blowing him away. Honnold did get faster as they progressed but it just goes to show how specialized one becomes. They both acknowledged the special skills the other had. It was cool.
Curious if this (https://youtu.be/e863Qr0jaYo) is the one. If not, it's a good watch.
Interestingly, in this video they mention that the WR for the speed climb was 5.48 for men. It's now 5.208 (https://youtu.be/ZbXRgiYJMK4).
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Curious if this (https://youtu.be/e863Qr0jaYo) is the one. If not, it's a good watch.
Interestingly, in this video they mention that the WR for the speed climb was 5.48 for men. It's now 5.208 (https://youtu.be/ZbXRgiYJMK4).
That's it. Nice find.
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I saw this story last week and I think it pretty cool that for 2024 the French are planning to completely redo the opening the ceremony as well as the manner several events are held. (A Paris Marathon for the public immediately after the Olympic Marathon Beach Volleyball under the Eiffel Tower and allowing the public to use when there are no Olympic matches, etc.)
The Games to change the Games: Paris 2024 lays out innovative Olympic plan
Dan Wetzel·Columnist
Fri, August 6, 2021, 1:39 AM·3 min read
https://sports.yahoo.com/the-games-to-change-the-games-paris-2024-lays-out-innovative-olympic-plan-063950354.html
Holding equestrian events at Versailles. That is going to be amazing.
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Holding equestrian events at Versailles. That is going to be amazing.
Let them eat oat cakes!