Is he still a possibility? I was disappointed to hear about Kario......is anyone hearing about auxiliary options that would provide immediate buckets or 25 mins per game of prime impact?
I assume no decision is imminent if he's going through the NBA evaluation process like Dawson.
We're in it.
I think the NBA combine workouts are the week of 6/21
The last date to remove a name from the draft eligible list is 7/19
NBA draft on 7/29
Even with Morsell and Garcia, this team isn't going to be good.
Without them.....we're looking at Big East cellar.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 11, 2021, 12:29:54 PM
Even with Morsell and Garcia, this team isn't going to be good.
Without them.....we're looking at Big East cellar.
That seems a bit pessimistic considering Lewis is back, Osa's had a year of development, we've brought in some transfers that seems better than outgoing talent, and we have a coach who... you know... coaches.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on May 11, 2021, 10:54:59 AM
I think the NBA combine workouts are the week of 6/21
The last date to remove a name from the draft eligible list is 7/19
NBA draft on 7/29
The last date for withdrawal for NCAA purposes is 7/7 which is 10 days after the Combine ends.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 11, 2021, 12:39:36 PM
That seems a bit pessimistic considering Lewis is back, Osa's had a year of development, we've brought in some transfers that seems better than outgoing talent, and we have a coach who... you know... coaches.
Next year will be interesting. It will be what it is. Then we will have an idea of the level of floor talent and bench coaching.
Quote from: NCMUFan on May 11, 2021, 12:47:22 PM
Next year will be interesting. It will be what it is. Then we will have an idea of the level of floor talent and bench coaching.
That's sort of my attitude. But I certainly expect at least a slight uptick from what we saw last year
Like I said before, this year will be about the process, not the final record.
Quote from: tower912 on May 11, 2021, 12:54:22 PM
Like I said before, this year will be about the process, not the final record.
Lets see how Shaka completes the roster before we go into Dodds mode. I think he has a couple of more moves to make and if they work out MU could be a very competitive team.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 11, 2021, 12:39:36 PM
That seems a bit pessimistic considering Lewis is back, Osa's had a year of development, we've brought in some transfers that seems better than outgoing talent, and we have a coach who... you know... coaches.
Definitely excited for the future. Just don't see it next year. Losing Carton was a pretty big kick in the nuts to next years chances of being a decent team, IMO.
If they pick up the Syracuse transfer or Dawson comes back they should be better. Have enough new players that hopefully they will step up. Better at the center position, better back court, hopefully less turnovers. Sure Carton was spectacular at times, but for every great play he made a bonehead play as well. Depth for a change will be good.
Are we better at C? Do we have a better backcourt? Players for the future for sure, but looking at that scholarship table, I see a ton of green and yellow, and a few things are almost always true is that inexperienced players turn the ball over more than experienced players, and inexperienced players are not always ready (especially physically). Think Tower nails it, that it's not going to be about w/l, but about the process.
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 11, 2021, 01:11:55 PM
If they pick up the Syracuse transfer or Dawson comes back they should be better. Have enough new players that hopefully they will step up. Better at the center position, better back court, hopefully less turnovers. Sure Carton was spectacular at times, but for every great play he made a bonehead play as well. Depth for a change will be good.
How are we better at C? How are we better in the back court? Who is going to make shots on this team?
It wasn't 2020-21 Carton I was excited about. If we got the same guy next season - sure its a nice high major player, but we're probably not a great team. But with Carton taking the next step - he was plenty talented enough to carry this team and there is enough support around him to be a tourney team. But....alas, he's gone.
I hope Dawson returns and Morsell comes, or we pick up another nice piece or two. Just don't think we're going to be watching Marquette in March next year, which sucks. But brighter days are ahead - I get it. I just admittedly have lost my patience.
I believe we are better off without Carton. You cannot rely on a player that plays with so little effort for too much of the game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 08, 2021, 03:34:52 PM
Is he still a possibility? I was disappointed to hear about Kario......is anyone hearing about auxiliary options that would provide immediate buckets or 25 mins per game of prime impact?
Just a tiny bit of info would help, as in a nugget of information, or a morsel of news.
Quote from: bilsu on May 11, 2021, 01:58:27 PM
I believe we are better off without Carton. You cannot rely on a player that plays with so little effort for too much of the game.
Oof. This is a hot take, even for scoop takes
It's funny, I've talked to two people within MU Athletics about DJC. One felt it was a big and unexpected blow, one said totally predictable.
I'm guessing, like with everything, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Quote from: The Lens on May 11, 2021, 02:18:50 PM
It's funny, I've talked to two people within MU Athletics about DJC. One felt it was a big and unexpected blow, one said totally predictable.
I'm guessing, like with everything, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
The impression I've gotten is that when D.J. arrived it was known that he was only planning on staying for one season before going pro. Over time, D.J. had seemed to change his tune, especially after Shaka was hired. So it was expected in the sense that it was always the plan but unexpected because D.J. had seemed to change his mind.
Quote from: bilsu on May 11, 2021, 01:58:27 PM
I believe we are better off without Carton. You cannot rely on a player that plays with so little effort for too much of the game.
Ridiculous.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 11, 2021, 01:34:48 PM
It wasn't 2020-21 Carton I was excited about. If we got the same guy next season - sure its a nice high major player, but we're probably not a great team. But with Carton taking the next step - he was plenty talented enough to carry this team and there is enough support around him to be a tourney team. But....alas, he's gone.
A small but not insignificant minority of Scoopers seem to assume that players don't improve.
In the fairly recent past, they watched guys like Vander, Junior, Jimmy, Jae, Mo, Wes, JJJ, Sacar, Jamal and Greg improve from one year to the next -- improve significantly in some of those cases -- and yet it doesn't dawn on them that DJ might have gotten better next season with a better team around him and a better coaching staff.
I guess it's easier to tear somebody down to make themselves feel better.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on May 11, 2021, 02:03:36 PM
Oof. This is a hot take, even for scoop takes
We may not be better without him but will we really be that much worse? Let's not forget how bad we were last season with these elite, can't lose them players.
Quote from: bilsu on May 11, 2021, 01:58:27 PM
I believe we are better off without Carton. You cannot rely on a player that plays with so little effort for too much of the game.
lol.
No.
Quote from: Farley36 on May 11, 2021, 03:07:19 PM
We may not be better without him but will we really be that much worse? Let's not forget how bad we were last season with these elite, can't lose them players.
We had 3 high major players last season. Losing one of those three makes us much worse, yes.
What are our chances getting Baldwin?
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 11, 2021, 03:18:09 PM
What are our chances getting Baldwin?
I know it's been bandied about, but I'm hesitant to believe any of it, especially since ESPN announced today he would be deciding between Duke, Georgetown, and UW-Milwaukee tomorrow. My money is on Milwaukee.
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 11, 2021, 03:18:09 PM
What are our chances getting Baldwin?
Slim to none and slim is leaving town.
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 11, 2021, 01:01:26 PM
Lets see how Shaka completes the roster before we go into Dodds mode. I think he has a couple of more moves to make and if they work out MU could be a very competitive team.
If a couple experienced, proven players transfer in, my expectations will change. As the roster is currently configured, I will focus on the process and not the record.
Quote from: bilsu on May 11, 2021, 01:58:27 PM
I believe we are better off without Carton. You cannot rely on a player that plays with so little effort for too much of the game.
DJ Carton was breaking opposing guarding players ankles. At some point fatigue has to catch up to you.
Quote from: BLM on May 11, 2021, 03:12:14 PM
We had 3 high major players last season. Losing one of those three makes us much worse, yes.
We'll see about that. I don't know how you can be much worse than the team was last year. Those 3 high major players obviously weren't good enough to make us a good team last year and the team would not have been good this year either had things stayed the same. So even without Carton I doubt the team results are much worse this year but the future is brighter.
Quote from: bilsu on May 11, 2021, 01:58:27 PM
I believe we are better off without Carton. You cannot rely on a player that plays with so little effort for too much of the game.
Very good point being made here. In The Big East every possession is a battle and games are close. A team will end up in the bottom of the conference if it takes possessions off.
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 11, 2021, 04:55:52 PM
Very good point being made here. In The Big East every possession is a battle and games are close. A team will end up in the bottom of the conference if it takes possessions off.
A team will also end up at the bottom if it has no upperclassmen of note.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 11, 2021, 05:01:07 PM
A team will also end up at the bottom if it has no upperclassmen of note.
That is also a good point .
Quote from: The Lens on May 11, 2021, 02:18:50 PM
I'm guessing, like with everything, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Not your main point but this is just so wrong.
Quote from: THRILLHO on May 11, 2021, 05:20:41 PM
Not your main point but this is just so wrong.
Do you know for sure what happened then?
Quote from: Farley36 on May 11, 2021, 04:25:11 PM
We'll see about that. I don't know how you can be much worse than the team was last year.
Like this:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/notre-dame/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/arizona-state/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgia/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/pittsburgh/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/vanderbilt/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/nebraska/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/california/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/butler/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/south-carolina/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/washington/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/texas-am/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/miami-fl/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/texas-christian/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/depaul/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas-state/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/boston-college/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/iowa-state/2021-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/wake-forest/2021-schedule.html
No question, we were bad last season. But we did not fall into the abyss that some P6 programs have fallen into. The team certainly could be worse next season. On paper right now, I would say it is worse than last season's team. But we are not done making moves and I think Shaka is a significantly better coach who will get a lot more out of his roster than Wojo ever did. Future is bright!
It would be funny that some Scoopers believe last season's team was the worst ever and that Wojo was the worst coach in basketball history ... except they actually believe that.
And as a bonus, they think that losing our best player will automatically make us better.
Quote from: MU82 on May 11, 2021, 07:39:35 PM
It would be funny that some Scoopers believe last season's team was the worst ever and that Wojo was the worst coach in basketball history ... except they actually believe that.
And as a bonus, they think that losing our best player will automatically make us better.
😂 what a stupid post. It would be funny except you actually believe your ridiculous hyperbole.
Have you ever seen tower and Dodd's in the same room?
Quote from: tower912 on May 11, 2021, 03:24:03 PM
If a couple experienced, proven players transfer in, my expectations will change. As the roster is currently configured, I will focus on the process and not the record.
Ha
Quote from: Farley36 on May 11, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
😂 what a stupid post. It would be funny except you actually believe your ridiculous hyperbole.
Mike used to be a journalist. Now he just makes things up. Wait...
Quote from: bilsu on May 11, 2021, 01:58:27 PM
I believe we are better off without Carton. You cannot rely on a player that plays with so little effort for too much of the game.
Agree. I liked the kid but he didn't play to win. He was invisible or a turn over machine for too minutes each game. When he would play hard it seemed to be for his personal highlight tape. I am excited about our chances to play better next season with a much better game coach and plenty of great talent.
Quote from: Farley36 on May 11, 2021, 07:43:44 PM
😂 what a stupid post. It would be funny except you actually believe your ridiculous hyperbole.
Did you or did you not say that you didn't "know how you can be much worse than the team was last year"?
Quote from: MU82 on May 11, 2021, 10:13:35 PM
Did you or did you not say that you didn't "know how you can be much worse than the team was last year"?
So when someone says we can't be "much worse" than we were last year that (to you) translates to "last year's team was the worst in Marquette history" and "Wojo is the worst coach in Marquette's history"? Really?
I wonder what the ven diagram looks like for people who hated Markus because he was a chucker and hated DJ because he didn't chuck for 40 minutes every game.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 11, 2021, 11:07:49 PM
So when someone says we can't be "much worse" than we were last year that (to you) translates to "last year's team was the worst in Marquette history" and "Wojo is the worst coach in Marquette's history"? Really?
I guess only you're allowed to use hyperbole on Scoop, Tony.
Sorry I missed that in the Scoop Rulebook.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/maryland/LongFormArticle/Terps-basketball-Mark-Turgeon-believes-Darryl-Morsells-leaning-heavily-toward-one-option-164727119/Amp/
Back to Morsell, this recent interview with Turgeon mentions that he just had surgery (shoulder?) and wouldn't even be shooting a ball until July. Since the NBA combine is in June, I'd suspect that the draft isn't what will determine his decision timeline.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 11, 2021, 05:23:34 PM
Do you know for sure what happened then?
My beef was with the "like with everything".
Hoo kares? Next dude up, hey?
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on May 11, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
Agree. I liked the kid but he didn't play to win. He was invisible or a turn over machine for too minutes each game. When he would play hard it seemed to be for his personal highlight tape. I am excited about our chances to play better next season with a much better game coach and plenty of great talent.
This is quite the indictment of a young man's character, and I strongly disagree. I used to feel this way...about my own son. I was fixed minded and mentally weak. Not saying you are, I'm saying I was. Also, DJ has a discussed history with mental health issues, I'm sure that took a toll on him at some point.
DJ busted his ass on both ends of the court and was clearly the only elite talent on the team. He was clearly the most elite player on the court at any given time. A player who plays at his pace with teammates that are perhaps less talented and don't have his motor will lead to the observations you make. Yeah, he turned it over on offense, it's difficult to do it all. Yeah, he looked gassed at times, it's difficult to do it all. Yeah, he struggled with his shot, some is mechanics and some is...you guessed it...it's difficult to do it all.
There was no depth, there was little putting him in a spot to succeed, there was no one with his talent to keep up. I think he is a success professionally, at least I sincerely hope he is.
Kid has talent and heart.
I think we are better next year, but it absolutely isn't due to losing DJ. We would be even better with him.
Quote from: Skip Intro on May 12, 2021, 04:29:46 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/maryland/LongFormArticle/Terps-basketball-Mark-Turgeon-believes-Darryl-Morsells-leaning-heavily-toward-one-option-164727119/Amp/
Back to Morsell, this recent interview with Turgeon mentions that he just had surgery (shoulder?) and wouldn't even be shooting a ball until July. Since the NBA combine is in June, I'd suspect that the draft isn't what will determine his decision timeline.
Just gonna skip over the fact that Turgeon also said he thinks Morsell is probably going pro rather than playing college basketball next year?
Sounds like this ship has sailed.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on May 12, 2021, 07:25:45 AM
Just gonna skip over the fact that Turgeon also said he thinks Morsell is probably going pro rather than playing college basketball next year?
Sounds like this ship has sailed.
Nope
Quote from: SaveOD238 on May 12, 2021, 07:25:45 AM
Just gonna skip over the fact that Turgeon also said he thinks Morsell is probably going pro rather than playing college basketball next year?
Sounds like this ship has sailed.
I'm not putting too much stock into Turgeon's comments on his future, as I could see Morsell playing it pretty close to the vest if he actually intends to transfer (particularly to follow an assistant who just dumped Turgeon for Shaka).
My main interest in the article is the recovery timeline comments that Turgeon made - if Morsell can't shoot a ball until July, he likely won't participate in June's combine, so I'd think his draft prospects are pretty low. Even his international prospects may be limited if he's still rehabbing in the late summer/fall. Another year in college may make the most sense for him.
I think plenty of people, myself included, have heard rumblings that Morsell will be eventually coming to MU. He's a great defensive player and would be a great fit for Shaka's philosophy. That being said, kind of a bummer that him alone won't change next years expectations at all. With or without him, we're not a tournament team. Got to hope that a Morsell type of player helps build a consistent message and game plan for the younger players to carry forward in years to come.
Why can they not make the tourney? More talent then last year, and hopefully better coaching, but not sure yet about that, have to see how he handles 13 players, that is not easy
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 12, 2021, 11:07:15 AM
Why can they not make the tourney? More talent then last year, and hopefully better coaching, but not sure yet about that, have to see how he handles 13 players, that is not easy
You seem awfully convinced that we'll be better in 21-22 than 20-21, is it just some extreme anti Wojo thing? As it currently stands we have 10 underclassmen (w/ Garcia), so on top of no one playing with any of the Freshman before, and no one playing with OMP, Kolek, or Kur before, every single player will be learning a new system. You can say that there is more pure basketball talent out there (which is debatable IMO), but I anticipate some extreme growing pains with all the new pieces/new system.
do people think were in on Morsell because we hired Deandre Haynes? Bino Ranson got Morsell to MD...
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on May 12, 2021, 02:25:37 PM
do people think were in on Morsell because we hired Deandre Haynes? Bino Ranson got Morsell to MD...
To the former, in part yes. To the latter, that doesn't mean he doesn't have a great relationship with Haynes. I would point you to the opening quote of this article: http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/04/the-home-run-hire.html
There's plenty of reason to believe we are a serious potential landing spot for Morsell and Haynes is certainly part of that rationale.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 12, 2021, 02:35:20 PM
To the former, in part yes. To the latter, that doesn't mean he doesn't have a great relationship with Haynes. I would point you to the opening quote of this article: http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/04/the-home-run-hire.html
There's plenty of reason to believe we are a serious potential landing spot for Morsell and Haynes is certainly part of that rationale.
great article Brew, appreciate you sharing!
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on May 12, 2021, 02:53:10 PM
great article Brew, appreciate you sharing!
Thanks! I really like the Haynes hire and whether Morsell ends up here or not I think he will be a big help for our young guards. But I wouldn't discount his relationship with Morsell, he has proven an able and rapid relationship-builder wherever he's been.
Quote from: Its DJOver on May 12, 2021, 11:44:16 AM
You seem awfully convinced that we'll be better in 21-22 than 20-21, is it just some extreme anti Wojo thing? As it currently stands we have 10 underclassmen (w/ Garcia), so on top of no one playing with any of the Freshman before, and no one playing with OMP, Kolek, or Kur before, every single player will be learning a new system. You can say that there is more pure basketball talent out there (which is debatable IMO), but I anticipate some extreme growing pains with all the new pieces/new system.
The sum can be made into the greater of its parts, it's not impossible or even improbable. If Shaka is the home run hire many believe, we should at least be in contention for a bid down the stretch.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on May 12, 2021, 07:24:41 AM
This is quite the indictment of a young man's character, and I strongly disagree.
DJ busted his ass on both ends of the court and was clearly the only elite talent on the team. He was clearly the most elite player on the court at any given time. A player who plays at his pace with teammates that are perhaps less talented and don't have his motor will lead to the observations you make. Yeah, he turned it over on offense, it's difficult to do it all. Yeah, he looked gassed at times, it's difficult to do it all. Yeah, he struggled with his shot, some is mechanics and some is...you guessed it...it's difficult to do it all.
I actually really like DJ, but we must have been watching different games. He absolutely did not bust his ass on both ends of the court and I never saw him looked gassed, because he never went full throttle very long to get to that point. I saw him look very indifferent for much of the game and the fact that so many MU fans also saw the same thing, makes it quite interesting that many others supposedly did not see it. He seems like a good kid and I hope he has post-collegiate success and there was definitely part of me that was wondering how he was going to do under a better coach, but unfortunately we won't get to see that happen.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on May 12, 2021, 07:24:41 AM
This is quite the indictment of a young man's character, and I strongly disagree. I used to feel this way...about my own son. I was fixed minded and mentally weak. Not saying you are, I'm saying I was. Also, DJ has a discussed history with mental health issues, I'm sure that took a toll on him at some point.
DJ busted his ass on both ends of the court and was clearly the only elite talent on the team. He was clearly the most elite player on the court at any given time. A player who plays at his pace with teammates that are perhaps less talented and don't have his motor will lead to the observations you make. Yeah, he turned it over on offense, it's difficult to do it all. Yeah, he looked gassed at times, it's difficult to do it all. Yeah, he struggled with his shot, some is mechanics and some is...you guessed it...it's difficult to do it all.
There was no depth, there was little putting him in a spot to succeed, there was no one with his talent to keep up. I think he is a success professionally, at least I sincerely hope he is.
Kid has talent and heart.
I think we are better next year, but it absolutely isn't due to losing DJ. We would be even better with him.
Disagree. He needs to work on his ball handling and weak passing. And soft defense. And playing all out for a whole game. He doesn't play to win.
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on May 12, 2021, 03:55:00 PM
The sum can be made into the greater of its parts, it's not impossible or even improbable. If Shaka is the home run hire many believe, we should at least be in contention for a bid down the stretch.
I agree that a team can be greater than the sum of its parts.
I agree that Shaka is a home run hire who will make the the team greater than sum of its parts.
Where I'm not certain I agree (at the moment) is that if the first parts are true, that this necessarily means that we will be in contention for an NCAA bid. If we don't add any more players to the roster and Dawson doesn't come back, I think the sum of the parts is sub-500 team. If Shaka gets that group to the tournament then either he has an excellent eye for undervalued talent or is an in game coaching savant (or both).
Fortunately, we're not done recruiting and I don't think Dawson has decided either way at this point.
Shaka tonight said he is still recruiting.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 12, 2021, 07:34:10 PM
Shaka tonight said he is still recruiting.
We've reached out to basically every top transfer that has declared in the past few weeks
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 12, 2021, 07:34:10 PM
Shaka tonight said he is still recruiting.
He has to, because the team is going to be bad as it stands now.
The fear in my opinion with us being bad next year is that players like Justin Lewis or other unforeseen good players leave after a disappointing campaign and it becomes a repetitive cycle like at Georgetown. Need Shaka to coach em up and exceed expectations so that cycle does not start.
I think if Garcia comes back MU has a ice group in the power slots,Garcia,Lewis and Kuath. You could have Igadoro,Joplinn and Ellis at the 3 spot and you have Elliot, Kolek and ones at the 2. Smart needs a proven point guard to protect and nurture Mitchel. Overall I think MU has real good talent and having 13 players is awesome. I just don't see a spot for Perez to get minutes
Could be wrong but I think Ellis is more of a combo guard than a 3.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 13, 2021, 10:47:47 AM
Could be wrong but I think Ellis is more of a combo guard than a 3.
And Oso and Joplin are closer to 5s than 3s.
Quote from: bilsu on May 12, 2021, 08:47:52 PM
He has to, because the team is going to be bad as it stands now.
Why so negative bil? Shaka's recruited a lot of good talent?
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on May 13, 2021, 11:57:28 AM
Why so negative bil? Shaka's recruited a lot of good talent?
Experience matters.
Physical strength matters.
Which are the two things freshmen lack.
Quote from: Its DJOver on May 12, 2021, 11:44:16 AM
You seem awfully convinced that we'll be better in 21-22 than 20-21, is it just some extreme anti Wojo thing? As it currently stands we have 10 underclassmen (w/ Garcia), so on top of no one playing with any of the Freshman before, and no one playing with OMP, Kolek, or Kur before, every single player will be learning a new system. You can say that there is more pure basketball talent out there (which is debatable IMO), but I anticipate some extreme growing pains with all the new pieces/new system.
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Since I played point guard, I know how important that position is. I was not a fan of Carton and his playmaking ability. So I am confident that one of the new kids will be better than Carton, athleticism Carton would be in the Top 5 in MU history. Just was not good with the ball. Secondly, I think our new center has played enough to be better then Theo, Theo was to mechanical. If Garcia comes back he should be better as well as Lewis, throw in Prosper and you are long and athletic. So it comes back to what I said, better point guard play, will make MU better. Lastly, some of the Big East teams other than Villy will be that much better. Creighton for sure might be close to the bottom.
Need a point guard to tie it together. Even if Garcia goes pro and Smart only has one scholarship it still has to e a good ,strong point guard. I would much prefer that Garcia comes back and Perez goes. point guard for Perez is a big win.
Perez was a Wojo mistake, it happens some times. With Akanno, Torrence and Perez Shaka cleared 3 Mid-Major players out. End of the bench will be much better, I hope
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 13, 2021, 06:37:57 PM
Perez was a Wojo mistake, it happens some times. With Akanno, Torrence and Perez Shaka cleared 3 Mid-Major players out. End of the bench will be much better, I hope
People say this, completely forgetting that before he reclassified, Symir was a top 40 recruit. To think the HS guys we have recruited are going to just magically be better than what we have now is just wishful thinking, especially when all we're going off is recruiting rankings, and we don't have any HS recruits as highly regarded as Symir coming in.
Not saying any of those three would be good enough. They definitely aren't. I would just recommend some more caution with expectations from our
very young incoming players
Anybody who thought Torrence was a top 40 kid was not watching the kid I saw the last years. Did not have a jump shot, did have any explosion to the hoop , did not have much. Go look at Top 50 kids after there senior year, then you can see how scouts make mistakes. Wojo and Buzz made a ton of mistakes on kids in the Top 100.
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 13, 2021, 07:37:50 PM
Anybody who thought Torrence was a top 40 kid was not watching the kid I saw the last years. Did not have a jump shot, did have any explosion to the hoop , did not have much. Go look at Top 50 kids after there senior year, then you can see how scouts make mistakes. Wojo and Buzz made a ton of mistakes on kids in the Top 100.
Yeah I'm sure at the time you knew better than all the ranking services, captain hindsight
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 13, 2021, 07:37:50 PM
Anybody who thought Torrence was a top 40 kid was not watching the kid I saw the last years. Did not have a jump shot, did have any explosion to the hoop , did not have much. Go look at Top 50 kids after there senior year, then you can see how scouts make mistakes. Wojo and Buzz made a ton of mistakes on kids in the Top 100.
outside of Torrence and Heldt I don't know if there was a major mistake in Wojo's top 100 guys, it was more the lack of development, poor role players, and transfers. Buzz on the other hand made a ton of mistakes (Jamail, Steve Taylor, Erick Williams, arguably Junior)
Haanif: put up great freshman year numbers and
Solid senior year numbers at Nebraska.
Sam: underrated
Joey: overrated but still clearly a talented player
Bailey: we'll never know.
Henry: a smidge overrated
Markus: accurate for both his year and his reclassifying year.
Justin: Underrated
Garcia: about right
Osa: Too little to know but looked to have good potential albeit skinny against UCLA
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 13, 2021, 07:48:33 PM
outside of Torrence and Heldt I don't know if there was a major mistake in Wojo's top 100 guys, it was more the lack of development, poor role players, and transfers. Buzz on the other hand made a ton of mistakes (Jamail, Steve Taylor, Erick Williams, arguably Junior)
Haanif: put up great freshman year numbers and
Solid senior year numbers at Nebraska.
Sam: underrated
Joey: overrated but still clearly a talented player
Bailey: we'll never know.
Henry: a smidge overrated
Markus: accurate for both his year and his reclassifying year.
Justin: Underrated
Garcia: about right
Osa: Too little to know but looked to have good potential albeit skinny against UCLA
Relative to collegiate play, Henry was the real deal. 17 ppg and 10 rpg as a frosh is huge. Yeah, he is challenged re the NBA. But, collegiately, he would have had a huge impact over 4 years.
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 13, 2021, 08:05:20 PM
Relative to collegiate play, Henry was the real deal. 17 ppg and 10 rpg as a frosh is huge. Yeah, he is challenged re the NBA. But, collegiately, he would have had a huge impact over 4 years.
he ranked as high as the 5th best recruit. Not saying he was vastly overrated or anything just that for a stretch 4 ranked that high to be unable to hit the 3 maybe should've been down a few more slots.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 13, 2021, 08:11:43 PM
he ranked as high as the 5th best recruit. Not saying he was vastly overrated or anything just that for a stretch 4 ranked that high to be unable to hit the 3 maybe should've been down a few more slots.
Think he would have had a huge impact. His 3 point shooting has picked up a lot in the G League. His issue is that he can't defend at the NBA level. He would have been a terrific 4 year guy in college.
The ranking system is not perfect. I suspect that the rankings of the 2021 class overall is even more inaccurate due to lack of summer tournaments and somewhat disrupted high school seasons. This could be good or bad for MU as there is as much chance their recruits are underrated or overrated.
I also believe this years freshmen class overall will be less ready to play college ball compared to other years, because their high school careers have been interrupted by covid.
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 13, 2021, 08:05:20 PM
Relative to collegiate play, Henry was the real deal. 17 ppg and 10 rpg as a frosh is huge. Yeah, he is challenged re the NBA. But, collegiately, he would have had a huge impact over 4 years.
If Henry stayed all 4 years we would have at least one Final Four. He was an outstanding college level player.
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 13, 2021, 10:58:09 PM
If Henry stayed all 4 years we would have at least one Final Four. He was an outstanding college level player.
At least. ::)
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 13, 2021, 04:53:50 PM
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Since I played point guard, I know how important that position is. I was not a fan of Carton and his playmaking ability. So I am confident that one of the new kids will be better than Carton, athleticism Carton would be in the Top 5 in MU history. Just was not good with the ball. Secondly, I think our new center has played enough to be better then Theo, Theo was to mechanical. If Garcia comes back he should be better as well as Lewis, throw in Prosper and you are long and athletic. So it comes back to what I said, better point guard play, will make MU better. Lastly, some of the Big East teams other than Villy will be that much better. Creighton for sure might be close to the bottom.
Well I guess that since you played point guard, you must know.
Seriously though, I disagree with pretty much everything you have said in this thread. Even if Carton isn't ready for the NBA (Which I do not think he is), I feel extremely confident saying that one of the new guys will not be "better than Carton".
Carton was as explosive as any guard MU has ever had. He would make a spectacular play almost every game going to the hoop. More like a 2 guard, not a point. Surprisingly did not have a jump shot nor was he consistent on his 3 point shot. If I were the Bucks I would give him a 2 way contract, worth the risk. Will not be drafted. The freshman, just do not turn it over. I still see another point being brought in. Hope I am right, we will see.
Quote from: bilsu on May 13, 2021, 10:41:51 PM
The ranking system is not perfect. I suspect that the rankings of the 2021 class overall is even more inaccurate due to lack of summer tournaments and somewhat disrupted high school seasons. This could be good or bad for MU as there is as much chance their recruits are underrated or overrated.
I also believe this years freshmen class overall will be less ready to play college ball compared to other years, because their high school careers have been interrupted by covid.
Last year's freshmen had to be less ready with no summer practices, weight room sessions and not getting on campus until late September. And for teams like us who had a two week Covid pause once practice started those kids missed a ton of development time. I think that's why freshmen reliant teams such as Duke and Kentucky struggled so bad even with the talent they had,
Quote from: Its DJOver on May 14, 2021, 07:36:33 AM
Well I guess that since you played point guard, you must know.
Only got the easy assists.
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 13, 2021, 10:58:09 PM
If Henry stayed all 4 years we would have at least one Final Four. He was an outstanding college level player.
you just say sh1t...
Quote from: avid1010 on May 14, 2021, 12:54:07 PM
you just say sh1t...
To be fair, he didn't say in which Tournament. Maybe we would've got one more win in the 2018 NIT.
Quote from: avid1010 on May 14, 2021, 12:54:07 PM
you just say sh1t...
Obviously we can't know how we'd have done in the tournament but all else the same it's hard to believe we wouldn't have been ridiculously good with a stretch 5 Henry, Sam playing stretch 4, Andrew at PG, Markus at 2 and who ever at 3.
Yes there's only one ball but that's a crazy lineup that would've been there Henry's Junior year and a slight change of Henry 5, Joey 4 Sam 3 Koby & Markus playing combo Guard, for his 4th.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 14, 2021, 01:06:52 PM
Obviously we can't know how we'd have done in the tournament but all else the same it's hard to believe we wouldn't have been ridiculously good with a stretch 5 Henry, Sam playing stretch 4, Andrew at PG, Markus at 2 and who ever at 3.
Yes there's only one ball but that's a crazy lineup that would've been there Henry's Junior year and a slight change of Henry 5, Joey 4 Sam 3 Koby & Markus playing combo Guard, for his 4th.
Because that team would have been so amazing defensively?? To be honest, I don't care how much offensive talent would have been on that team, they would not have been very good defensively at all and therefore would not have gone very far in the NCAA tourney.
Quote from: MU1980 on May 14, 2021, 01:13:17 PM
Because that team would have been so amazing defensively?? To be honest, I don't care how much offensive talent would have been on that team, they would not have been very good defensively at all and therefore would not have gone very far in the NCAA tourney.
Paul Westhead and Loyola Marymount have joined the chat.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 14, 2021, 01:20:09 PM
Paul Westhead and Loyola Marymount have joined the chat.
I'm not sure digging for a 30+ year old reference is the strongest support ;)
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 14, 2021, 01:24:48 PM
I'm not sure digging for a 30+ year old reference is the strongest support ;)
Steve Nash and the Phoenix Suns have joined the chat.
Quote from: Herman Cain on May 13, 2021, 10:58:09 PM
If Henry stayed all 4 years we would have at least one Final Four. He was an outstanding college level player.
How would Henry have done if Ben Simmons, Diamond Stone, Malik Newman, Jalen Brown, Brandon Ingram etc all stayed in school for 4 years?
Quote from: The Lens on May 14, 2021, 01:59:11 PM
How would Henry have done if Ben Simmons, Diamond Stone, Malik Newman, Jalen Brown, Brandon Ingram etc all stayed in school for 4 years?
Probably better than Diamond Stone given he was already a bit disappointing in college iirc
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 14, 2021, 01:29:30 PM
Steve Nash and the Phoenix Suns have joined the chat.
NBA is next best comp? Seems like you're going backwards. At least play to the audience and go with "Dwyane Wade and 2003 Marquette have entered the chat."
The reality is teams with great offenses and bad defenses usually don't do much in March. Sure, you'll find exceptions, but 2021 Iowa, 2018 Xavier, 2017 UCLA, 2016 Iowa State, 2014 Duke, or 2012 Missouri are far more the norm for teams with top-10 offenses and sub-50 defenses.
Rampant Speculation:
Is Perez going into the portal perhaps a good omen regarding Morsell? Garcia entered pretty late. Was he sticking around in the hope that he was going to make the cut, and did he just get told it wasn't looking good?
Quote from: 4everDawson on May 14, 2021, 03:50:18 PM
Rampant Speculation:
Is Garcia going into the portal perhaps a good omen regarding Morsell? Garcia entered pretty late. Was he sticking around in the hope that he was going to make the cut, and did he just get told it wasn't looking good?
Is Garcia going in the portal?!
Quote from: dad's couch on May 14, 2021, 08:27:47 AM
Last year's freshmen had to be less ready with no summer practices, weight room sessions and not getting on campus until late September. And for teams like us who had a two week Covid pause once practice started those kids missed a ton of development time. I think that's why freshmen reliant teams such as Duke and Kentucky struggled so bad even with the talent they had,
It seems to me you are proving my point that covid will also have an effect on this year's class.
Quote from: bilsu on May 14, 2021, 09:55:13 PM
It seems to me you are proving my point that covid will also have an effect on this year's class.
Feels more like you're missing the point.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 14, 2021, 11:43:10 PM
Feels more like you're missing the point.
Not really. The point is this class would be more ready for college ball, if their AAU season and high school seasons were not interrupted by covid. They lost significant opportunities to improve their game last summer and this season. So it is reasonable to assume that they are not were they would be at, if covid did not happen.
Quote from: bilsu on May 15, 2021, 01:13:06 PM
Not really. The point is this class would be more ready for college ball, if their AAU season and high school seasons were not interrupted by covid. They lost significant opportunities to improve their game last summer and this season. So it is reasonable to assume that they are not were they would be at, if covid did not happen.
We're not talking about where they would be at if Covid didn't happen. We're comparing the differences in the development opportunities between last season's freshman class to the upcoming season's freshman class.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 15, 2021, 02:40:36 PM
We're not talking about where they would be at if Covid didn't happen. We're comparing the differences in the development opportunities between last season's freshman class to the upcoming season's freshman class.
This is what someone turned my post into, so you are trying to change what I said.
Last year's freshmen class played a full high school season and played AAU ball the summer before their senior season. Therefore, they came to campus as ready as any freshmen class. However they were effected by covid as every college player was last year was after they arrived on campus. This is not the same as being effected by covid before they got to campus. This year's freshmen class did not play AAU ball before their senior season, They also in many cases played shorter senior seasons and had less practices. I believe this has hinder their development. I do not know how long this will have an effect on them. I suspect some players will overcome this more quickly than others. This year's freshmen class will also have to compete against players returning for an extra season, which is another competition issue for them. I started the topic, so I can stay on the topic. Change it if you want, but we are not talking about the same thing.
I think a lot of players would better themselves if they played less AAU ball and did more individual and small group skill sessions and worked on fundamentals. I know they need AAU ball for exposure and to play against better players, especially if they are not in a big city league for school.
One frustrating thing I see happening again and again, are players coming into MU with terrible form on their jumpers. Inconsistent form. The attitude of people over the years has seemed to be "well if it is working don't change it". But rarely does it work at the college level.
Then after a year (or two) of it not working, they start to overhaul it or slowly adjust the form. It amazes me that these players get to the college level without basic skill development. When I see bad form in high school but hitting the low to mid 30% 3 point shooting in high school, or the inability to use an off hand except in a cross over, or for two dribbles or the inability to step into a bounce pass or a basic chest pass, I basically see a project in college and someone who is very likely going to struggle for a few years until the basic fundamentals get improved. Maybe that is just my bias.
Now, I don't think most need to have skill development like some old school coaches have done, successfully at UW. But some more basic development, and less team ball, would benefit a lot of these guys prior to college. If shooting form is terrible, take a summer to work on it instead of just going on and on...
Quote from: GOO on May 16, 2021, 09:25:29 AM
I think a lot of players would better themselves if they played less AAU ball and did more individual and small group skill sessions and worked on fundamentals. I know they need AAU ball for exposure and to play against better players, especially if they are not in a big city league for school.
One frustrating thing I see happening again and again, are players coming into MU with terrible form on their jumpers. Inconsistent form. The attitude of people over the years has seemed to be "well if it is working don't change it". But rarely does it work at the college level.
Then after a year (or two) of it not working, they start to overhaul it or slowly adjust the form. It amazes me that these players get to the college level without basic skill development. When I see bad form in high school but hitting the low to mid 30% 3 point shooting in high school, or the inability to use an off hand except in a cross over, or for two dribbles or the inability to step into a bounce pass or a basic chest pass, I basically see a project in college and someone who is very likely going to struggle for a few years until the basic fundamentals get improved. Maybe that is just my bias.
I have gotten involved in watching my grandson start playing ball. I am very impressed with the Chapmen Academy as they stress fundamentals religiously. He is
only in second grade, last year he did not even know how to use his left hand on lay-ups, today he can do it. Not sure how it was done prior, maybe they just played
games, but if you want to learn the game fundamentals are key. MU has had 2 kids who were clueless on form, no jumper, were Torrence and Carton. Neither had a
jump shot. Carton not having a J is hard to believe, as he is so athletic. He will need to figure that out if he wants to play in the show. 2 way contract is something Carton might get next year, work on his game in the G league. Not even sure what the MU coaches saw in Torrence. Probably dominated his league in high school.
Now, I don't think most need to have skill development like some old school coaches have done, successfully at UW. But some more basic development, and less team ball, would benefit a lot of these guys prior to college. If shooting form is terrible, take a summer to work on it instead of just going on and on...
I don't think there was anything wrong with Cartons shooting form. I think he overthought open jump shots
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 16, 2021, 11:06:32 AM
I don't think there was anything wrong with Cartons shooting form. I think he overthought open jump shots
He had a floater and set shot on his 3, very little lift. He does not have a 15 foot jump shot, no fadeaway. Needs to add that in the next level. DWade did not have
a great shot at MU, but worked hard at it and became a real good shooter. He has time, when he is only working on hoops.
Don't know if high school is always best either. I remember watching SP stick Jalen Johnson in the post with his back to the basket sophomore year. Looked to me like he should be a point forward like LeBron with his ability to pass.
My point on the Zags is they reload and are always a threat as is Nova. This is absolutely where I expected us to be from 2013 forward. It's frankly been 8 years of tremendous anxiety and disappointment for the great MU fans. We were set back and should have pulled the trigger sooner. That said I am quite confident we will be back in the mix with Shaka in due time.
Acquiring talent isn't the only component of success but it certainly helps. You need guys that can flat-out ball. Period. I'm talking quicks, explosiveness, combined with dead-eye shooters. You must understand how to construct a roster which our coaches in the past clearly struggled with. All I'm saying is it's time to get back on track.
https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1394798870652141569?s=21
Is this saying Morsell did not declare for the NBA Draft?
Quote from: BLM on May 19, 2021, 11:45:10 AM
https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1394798870652141569?s=21
Is this saying Morsell did not declare for the NBA Draft?
Yes. It also says he has until May 30 to do so
Quote from: BLM on May 19, 2021, 11:45:10 AM
https://twitter.com/draftexpress/status/1394798870652141569?s=21
Is this saying Morsell did not declare for the NBA Draft?
Yes I guess that's what it says....
Declaring for the draft has always been MU's toughest competition for Morsell. I think him not declaring so far is a positive development.
I guess I was under the impression that when he announced he was entering the transfer portal he had also entered into the NBA Draft, just without hiring an agent.
Quote from: BLM on May 19, 2021, 02:27:09 PM
I guess I was under the impression that when he announced he was entering the transfer portal he had also entered into the NBA Draft, just without hiring an agent.
Yeah, it seems that was his original intention:
https://twitter.com/410D_/status/1379177426392121347
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyPSjpCW8AAA7D-?format=jpg&name=900x900)
behind paywall, Maryland Mod said yesterday his gut feeling is Morsell isn't back at Maryland. likely NBA or transfer.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on May 20, 2021, 10:55:00 AM
behind paywall, Maryland Mod said yesterday his gut feeling is Morsell isn't back at Maryland. likely NBA or transfer.
Yup
https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/maryland/LongFormArticle/Maryland-Basketball-Turgeon-breaks-down-Aaron-Wiggins-Eric-Ayala-Darryl-Morsells-NBA-or-stay-situations-165589063/Amp/
"Yeah, I think we're just going through the process. Obviously, we feel good about our team next year. Darryl's, you know, put his name in the draft, he's in the portal, he's doing a lot of things. He's gonna do what's best for him. I haven't talked to Daryl for probably two weeks or so, missed him on the phone the last couple days. His shoulder's getting better," Turgeon said of Morsell, the Big Ten defensive player of the year last season, who underwent shoulder surgery this spring.
Hungry for any kind of morsell of information on this transfer.
Quote from: We R Final Four on May 21, 2021, 01:32:31 PMI haven't talked to Daryl for probably two weeks or so,
That probably says everything we need to know about whether Morsell will return to Maryland.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on May 21, 2021, 01:56:53 PM
Hungry for any kind of morsell of information on this transfer.
We're getting just crumbs.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 21, 2021, 02:12:29 PM
That probably says everything we need to know about whether Morsell will return to Maryland.
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https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1399421081849675777?s=21
Today Goodman On Darryl Morsell
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 31, 2021, 10:36:21 PM
https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1399421081849675777?s=21
Today Goodman On Darryl Morsell
Let's get this young man in an MU uni. How can we seal the deal here?
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 31, 2021, 11:35:42 PM
Let's get this young man in an MU uni. How can we seal the deal here?
We can't. Just hope the staff is doing what they need to. Morsell is even less active than most athletes on social media, so while the "don't tweet at recruits" mantra is always in effect, he doesn't even give much to like or retweet.
I wonder if his convo with Goodman was done in part to see if he could scare up other offers from schools who haven't yet looked at him.
Given his Instagram post last week, I assume Morsell will not be playing in Milwaukee next year.
Quote from: WithoutBias on June 08, 2021, 07:13:06 AM
Given his Instagram post last week, I assume Morsell will not be playing in Milwaukee next year.
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Quote from: WithoutBias on June 08, 2021, 07:13:06 AM
Given his Instagram post last week, I assume Morsell will not be playing in Milwaukee next year.
Maryland made those videos for all their players. I initially thought it was a recommitment video, but it wasn't. Don't read anything into that other than Morsell shared a highlight piece.
https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Maryland-Basketball-Scoop-key-decision-made-166254470/ (https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Maryland-Basketball-Scoop-key-decision-made-166254470/)
For those who have access to 247 (I don't..unlike the Athletic and the JS, I find Dodds content to be useless and poorly written so I don't subscribe) it appears a "key decision has been made (?)" on the Maryland roster. I assume it has something to do with Morsell for those of you asking.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on June 08, 2021, 09:38:26 AM
https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Maryland-Basketball-Scoop-key-decision-made-166254470/ (https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Maryland-Basketball-Scoop-key-decision-made-166254470/)
For those who have access to 247 (I don't..unlike the Athletic and the JS, I find Dodds content to be useless and poorly written so I don't subscribe) it appears a "key decision has been made (?)" on the Maryland roster. I assume it has something to do with Morsell for those of you asking.
I got a kick out of Nolan Smith thinking he needed to respond seriously about Maryland poking fun at Scheyer for getting dunked on in a 2010 game. Why he didn't just post a photo of Scheyer with the national title trophy or something, I don't know, but it made me laugh.
Morsell is not going back to Maryland according to their insider.
Sidenote - how nice would it be if Marquette had a 247 or Rivals board with an actual writer who interviewed recruits after visits, dropped some inside knowledge, etc. like every other P6 team seems to have. Dodds doesnt count.
Quote from: JTJ3 on June 08, 2021, 09:51:11 AM
Morsell is not going back to Maryland according to their insider.
Sidenote - how nice would it be if Marquette had a 247 or Rivals board with an actual writer who interviewed recruits after visits, dropped some inside knowledge, etc. like every other P6 team seems to have. Dodds doesnt count.
So this guy would be like Dodds and an actual reporter in a blender
Quote from: JTJ3 on June 08, 2021, 09:51:11 AM
Morsell is not going back to Maryland according to their insider.
Sidenote - how nice would it be if Marquette had a 247 or Rivals board with an actual writer who interviewed recruits after visits, dropped some inside knowledge, etc. like every other P6 team seems to have. Dodds doesnt count.
We should have done a sign and trade with Indiana when Crean left, we could have taken back Peegs.
Quote from: JTJ3 on June 08, 2021, 09:51:11 AM
Morsell is not going back to Maryland according to their insider.
Sidenote - how nice would it be if Marquette had a 247 or Rivals board with an actual writer who interviewed recruits after visits, dropped some inside knowledge, etc. like every other P6 team seems to have. Dodds doesnt count.
big east in general has the worst 247 sites. only Xavier has a great, insightful and active site that i can remember? otherwise they are off-shoot community led sites like this
Quote from: JakeBarnes on June 08, 2021, 09:38:26 AM
https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Maryland-Basketball-Scoop-key-decision-made-166254470/ (https://247sports.com/college/maryland/Article/Maryland-Basketball-Scoop-key-decision-made-166254470/)
For those who have access to 247 (I don't..unlike the Athletic and the JS, I find Dodds content to be useless and poorly written so I don't subscribe) it appears a "key decision has been made (?)" on the Maryland roster. I assume it has something to do with Morsell for those of you asking.
to get everyone excited; their mod (who kicks ass) said Morsell to Marquette is most likely
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on June 08, 2021, 11:48:34 AM
big east in general has the worst 247 sites. only Xavier has a great, insightful and active site that i can remember? otherwise they are off-shoot community led sites like this
Football & football recruiting drives these sites. If hoops made a dent in traffic, 247 would oust Dodds and find a more suitable replacement but there is little upside of at private, basketball only school.
Confident.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on June 08, 2021, 11:49:55 AM
to get everyone excited; their mod (who kicks ass) said Morsell to Marquette is most likely
Serious question: Are transfers tracked by Crystal Bowel?
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 08, 2021, 12:32:14 PM
Serious question: Are transfers tracked by Crystal Bowel?
Some are. There are no predictions logged for Morsell.
https://247sports.com/player/darryl-morsell-94656/
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on June 08, 2021, 11:49:55 AM
to get everyone excited; their mod (who kicks ass) said Morsell to Marquette is most likely
Translation: Done deal!
Thanks for this great news!!
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on June 08, 2021, 11:49:55 AM
to get everyone excited; their mod (who kicks ass) said Morsell to Marquette is most likely
🔥
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on June 08, 2021, 11:49:55 AM
to get everyone excited; their mod (who kicks ass) said Morsell to Marquette is most likely
The biggest threat was always the professional route
If we get him, fine. We certainly could use his experience. But the guy shot atrociously last year, and nothing in his stats point to any real growth or improvement over his 4 years at MD. The guy was about the same player all 4 years, and he played significant minutes from freshman year on. He better bring a ton of intangibles. Otherwise, there seems nothing to get excited about with him. Is he considered a lockdown defender, defend multiple positions?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 08, 2021, 02:12:40 PM
If we get him, fine. We certainly could use his experience. But the guy shot atrociously last year, and nothing in his stats point to any real growth or improvement over his 4 years at MD. The guy was about the same player all 4 years, and he played significant minutes from freshman year on. He better bring a ton of intangibles. Otherwise, there seems nothing to get excited about with him. Is he considered a lockdown defender, defend multiple positions?
He was B10 Defensive Player of the Year, so...yeah. That's why we want him.
Looking at the roster, there is a distinct lack of experience. B10 defensive player of the year as well as a 5th year senior might prove helpful.
Quote from: Skip Intro on June 08, 2021, 02:15:18 PM
He was B10 Defensive Player of the Year, so...yeah. That's why we want him.
That is great and dandy and certainly useful. But this team also badly needs a guard who can put the ball in the basket. We have the oft-injured spot up shooter in Greg and then........a ton of inexperienced question marks. Again, I am not saying I don't want Morsell, but I don't think he really moves the needle that much.
Quote from: Skip Intro on June 08, 2021, 02:15:18 PM
He was B10 Defensive Player of the Year, so...yeah. That's why we want him.
Good enough. Sounds like a liability offensively still. I hate having a guy out there opponents don't have to respect as any threat.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 08, 2021, 02:17:43 PM
That is great and dandy and certainly useful. But this team also badly needs a guard who can put the ball in the basket. We have the oft-injured spot up shooter in Greg and then........a ton of inexperienced question marks. Again, I am not saying I don't want Morsell, but I don't think he really moves the needle that much.
Exactly on all!! It's not like we're loaded everywhere and just need a stopper for a deep run next March.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on June 08, 2021, 09:53:36 AM
So this guy would be like Dodds and an actual reporter in a blender
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Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 08, 2021, 02:17:43 PM
That is great and dandy and certainly useful. But this team also badly needs a guard who can put the ball in the basket. We have the oft-injured spot up shooter in Greg and then........a ton of inexperienced question marks. Again, I am not saying I don't want Morsell, but I don't think he really moves the needle that much.
and correct me if I am wrong; major shoulder surgery and won't be back to full health until fall(ish)?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 08, 2021, 02:17:43 PM
That is great and dandy and certainly useful. But this team also badly needs a guard who can put the ball in the basket. We have the oft-injured spot up shooter in Greg and then........a ton of inexperienced question marks. Again, I am not saying I don't want Morsell, but I don't think he really moves the needle that much.
His shoulder injury required surgery after the season which he is still rehabbing. His game is mostly dribble penetration to the rim. He is a lockdown defender in a physical league, something I don't think we save seen in seven years. At Disney, he completely locked down Markus. Sign me up.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on June 08, 2021, 02:34:22 PM
and correct me if I am wrong; major shoulder surgery and won't be back to full health until fall(ish)?
Correct - The KenPom crew will look at his advanced stats and not be wowed, but he was the engine of that Maryland team. Battled through injury (ala Theo) for the season which impacted his numbers.
The guy is a very solid, calming presence. He's exactly the player we need to compete next year and will put our young guys in positions to succeed.
News flash: Shaka's teams will win games in different ways than Wojo's did.
Quote from: BLM on June 08, 2021, 02:38:46 PM
News flash: Shaka's teams will win games in different ways than Wojo's did.
FIFY. At least - that's the hope...
Man, Scoop gonna Scoop. We got the same guy that complains literally every single year that we don't use all of our 13 scholarships complaining about Shaka's target for our last scholarship (Garcia pending). With his defensive abilities, if Morsell could also light it up on offense, we wouldn't even be in the conversation because he'd be pro. For a one year rental (possibly 2 because of Covid?)an elite defender that still averaged 10 ppg at a high major conference is about as good as you're going to get.
Quote from: Its DJOver on June 08, 2021, 03:04:39 PM
Man, Scoop gonna Scoop. We got the same guy that complains literally every single year that we don't use all of our 13 scholarships complaining about Shaka's target for our last scholarship (Garcia pending). With his defensive abilities, if Morsell could also light it up on offense, we wouldn't even be in the conversation because he'd be pro. For a one year rental (possibly 2 because of Covid?)an elite defender that still averaged 10 ppg at a high major conference is about as good as you're going to get.
Agree 100%. Remember, he was never looked at as even the second scorer while at UMD. He's more than capable, but has deferred for his college career.
Morsell was really,really good inside the arc last year.
Ill take a guy that can take it to the rack and defend.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on June 08, 2021, 02:12:40 PMIs he considered a lockdown defender, defend multiple positions?
Here's a Marquette-relevant example. Does everyone remember when Markus went off in Orlando? He scored 40 against Davidson & 51 against USC to set the Orlando Invitational scoring record in just 2 games & led us to the final against Maryland.
In the final, Howard scored 6 points on 1/12 shooting. He was awful. And the defender that was on him most of that night was Darrell Morsell.
Thus endeth the discussion.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2021, 03:50:38 PM
Here's a Marquette-relevant example. Does everyone remember when Markus went off in Orlando? He scored 40 against Davidson & 51 against USC to set the Orlando Invitational scoring record in just 2 games & led us to the final against Maryland.
In the final, Howard scored 6 points on 1/12 shooting. He was awful. And the defender that was on him most of that night was Darrell Morsell.
He can play on my team!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 08, 2021, 02:49:23 PM
FIFY. At least - that's the hope...
Exactly. And will win more games than Wojo-Dukiet did.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 08, 2021, 02:35:17 PM
His shoulder injury required surgery after the season which he is still rehabbing. His game is mostly dribble penetration to the rim. He is a lockdown defender in a physical league, something I don't think we save seen in seven years. At Disney, he completely locked down Markus. Sign me up.
For sure. Who is going to score tho? He better do some serious locking up, because I truthfully don't see how this team is going to score 60 points on a given night. Again, not really an indictment on Morsell, I just don't think he is really cures what ails this team.
We desperately need Morsell. I thought by now he would be on our squad.
Quote from: Its DJOver on June 08, 2021, 03:04:39 PM
Man, Scoop gonna Scoop. We got the same guy that complains literally every single year that we don't use all of our 13 scholarships complaining about Shaka's target for our last scholarship (Garcia pending). With his defensive abilities, if Morsell could also light it up on offense, we wouldn't even be in the conversation because he'd be pro. For a one year rental (possibly 2 because of Covid?)an elite defender that still averaged 10 ppg at a high major conference is about as good as you're going to get.
Where exactly am I complaining? I said I don't see how he moves the needle. I literally said that I'd take him just like an hour ago. He's a hell of a lot better than an empty spot! I just don't really think he makes this team any more exciting, or solves the very obvious scoring issue. Sorry if that offends you!
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 08, 2021, 04:05:09 PM
For sure. Who is going to score tho? He better do some serious locking up, because I truthfully don't see how this team is going to score 60 points on a given night. Again, not really an indictment on Morsell, I just don't think he is really cures what ails this team.
Of the projected 13 scholarship players that MU will have if Morsell comes and Garcia returns, 10 will be in their first or second year of college basketball. All will be learning a new system. This is the epitome of a rebuild when there is a coaching change. And that is fine. Just make sure that your expectations are realistic.
Quote from: tower912 on June 08, 2021, 04:09:22 PM
Of the projected 13 scholarship players that MU will have if Morsell comes and Garcia returns, 10 will be in their first or second year of college basketball. All will be learning a new system. This is the epitome of a rebuild when there is a coaching change. And that is fine. Just make sure that your expectations are realistic.
I am aware of everything you said. My expectations are extremely realistic. I think this team as currently constructed may not even be a top-100 team. To me - coaching change or not - that is disappointing. Especially in a year in which most college athletes are immediately eligible. Yes, I am all in on Shaka moving forward. The move had to be made. Brighter says ahead. All that jazz.
But that can all be true, and also be disappointed that next season's team looks like its going to a cellar dweller in the Big East.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 08, 2021, 04:07:49 PM
Where exactly am I complaining? I said I don't see how he moves the needle. I literally said that I'd take him just like an hour ago. He's a hell of a lot better than an empty spot! I just don't really think he makes this team any more exciting, or solves the very obvious scoring issue. Sorry if that offends you!
I guess I just don't understand your conflicting arguments then. You want him, but you don't think he'll make us better? If we're targeting players that won't make us better, why not just give out the scholarship to a walk-on?
The point of Morsell (and Kuath) is not to win basketball games next season (though if that happens it is a nice bonus). The point is to help establish defensive culture with the youngins to help win basketball games in future seasons.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 08, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
I am aware of everything you said. My expectations are extremely realistic. I think this team as currently constructed may not even be a top-100 team. To me - coaching change or not - that is disappointing. Especially in a year in which most college athletes are immediately eligible. Yes, I am all in on Shaka moving forward. The move had to be made. Brighter says ahead. All that jazz.
But that can all be true, and also be disappointed that next season's team looks like its going to a cellar dweller in the Big East.
I think we'll be in the top 100. Especially with Garcia and Morsell. Gonna depend a little bit on the development of the kids and who can be a good ballhandler (I think Stevie steps up and plays a decent role behind Kolek and Greg at the point).
Should also add, that with so many newbies/guys with little to no experience.
Law of averages would say that someone is probably bound to really surprise us.
Now, most of the inexperience may be a trial and error trainwreck. But I am confident that someone in the unknown pile emerges early on.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 08, 2021, 04:12:33 PM
But that can all be true, and also be disappointed that next season's team looks like its going to a cellar dweller in the Big East.
Let's bet.
You get Marquette for the cellar, and I get the other 10.
Hundred bucks?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 08, 2021, 04:22:15 PM
The point of Morsell (and Kuath) is not to win basketball games next season (though if that happens it is a nice bonus). The point is to help establish defensive culture with the youngins to help win basketball games in future seasons.
I oddly think we will see a little bit of both. Although, my ceiling for the team is bubble if Morsell and Garcia on board.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on June 08, 2021, 11:49:55 AM
to get everyone excited; their mod (who kicks ass) said Morsell to Marquette is most likely
Thank You! I feel this is very awesome news for Marquette since Darryl has played an average of 28.15 minutes a game in all his years there and his Teams Won the Big Ten Championship in 2020 and Won a game in each of the 2019 and 2021 NCAA Tournaments.
Quote from: Its DJOver on June 08, 2021, 04:20:46 PM
I guess I just don't understand your conflicting arguments then. You want him, but you don't think he'll make us better? If we're targeting players that won't make us better, why not just give out the scholarship to a walk-on?
He might be our best player as things stand! I am not saying I don't want him. I am just making an observation on a message board that I am not really sold that he improves this team all that much. A team that struggles to score and is wildly inexperienced adding an experienced guard is a nice benefit, but unfortunately his skillset doesn't really provide what this team really lacks. But you damn well known I'd take him over an empty chair or blowing a scholarship on a walk-in.
Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2021, 04:47:49 PM
Let's bet.
You get Marquette for the cellar, and I get the other 10.
Hundred bucks?
Lol, I'll pass. I am not so jaded that I would bet against my fandom. I just don't think they'll be good - that doesn't mean I won't root for them every single game on the edge of my seat.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on June 08, 2021, 04:50:43 PM
I oddly think we will see a little bit of both. Although, my ceiling for the team is bubble if Morsell and Garcia on board.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 08, 2021, 05:26:09 PM
Lol, I'll pass. I am not so jaded that I would bet against my fandom. I just don't think they'll be good - that doesn't mean I won't root for them every single game on the edge of my seat.
Like JB, I think (hope) we can be sneaky good. So I'm disappointed that JJJJJJJJJJ won't bet me!
If MU can sign up the Big Ten Defensive player of the year, that is a good thing.
Guys who play hard on every possession are needed to compete in The Big East.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 08, 2021, 06:45:00 PM
If MU can sign up the Big Ten Defensive player of the year, that is a good thing.
Guys who play hard on every possession are needed to compete in The Big East.
I would prefer a freshman all American who is forgoing the NBA to play his last three years at MU and will break every conceivable record during his time here.
But that may be slightly out of reach so I'll have to settle for Morsell ;-)
With Garcia and Morsell, I see a top half of the Big East finish, and a tourney bid.
Don't underestimate the positive impact of not having Wojo patrolling the sideline.
Quote from: 94Warrior on June 10, 2021, 09:12:25 AM
With Garcia and Morsell, I see a top half of the Big East finish, and a tourney bid.
Don't underestimate the positive impact of not having Wojo patrolling the sideline.
I think your second statement is the key.
Quote from: 94Warrior on June 10, 2021, 09:12:25 AM
Don't underestimate the positive impact of not having Wojo patrolling the sideline.
I would have agreed at the beginning of the offseason, but I agree less now. At the beginning of the offseason, we had an entire roster that was theoretically held back by Wojo and could've been in for major improvement under Smart. Now 7 of those players (and likely soon to be 8) have left. The only three players currently on the roster that were likely held back by Wojo were Elliott, Lewis, and Oso. Even if all three get a massive boost from having Smart as a coach, we're still surrounding them with 5 freshmen ranked outside the top 75 and 3 transfers that didn't crack the top 100 transfer list this offseason. Morsell will be a welcome addition and a top transfer but I still don't think it's enough for a competitive team on paper next season. If we get a bid next season, it will be YUGE testament to Smart's ability as a coach, either because he extremely coached the group up or he identified talent that was undervalued by everyone else.
Smart clearly hasn't prioritized winning next season since taking over. His focus has been building a young core that he can develop over the next few seasons and adding some defensive gurus to help develop that young core. Next season is likely a bummer, but I think it is the right strategy long term. Successful coaches establish a culture early on.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 10, 2021, 10:29:19 AM
I would have agreed at the beginning of the offseason, but I agree less now. At the beginning of the offseason, we had an entire roster that was theoretically held back by Wojo and could've been in for major improvement under Smart. Now 7 of those players (and likely soon to be 8) have left. The only three players currently on the roster that were likely held back by Wojo were Elliott, Lewis, and Oso. Even if all three get a massive boost from having Smart as a coach, we're still surrounding them with 5 freshmen ranked outside the top 75 and 3 transfers that didn't crack the top 100 transfer list this offseason. Morsell will be a welcome addition and a top transfer but I still don't think it's enough for a competitive team on paper next season. If we get a bid next season, it will be YUGE testament to Smart's ability as a coach, either because he extremely coached the group up or he identified talent that was undervalued by everyone else.
Smart clearly hasn't prioritized winning next season since taking over. His focus has been building a young core that he can develop over the next few seasons and adding some defensive gurus to help develop that young core. Next season is likely a bummer, but I think it is the right strategy long term. Successful coaches establish a culture early on.
I think he would disagree with you here. To modify, he hasn't prioritized "win now at all costs" with respect to the roster.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on June 10, 2021, 10:46:32 AM
I think he would disagree with you here. To modify, he hasn't prioritized "win now at all costs" with respect to the roster.
Wheras with Wojo we won everyday.
Im just happy our coach isnt a schmuck and hes at least won one time before
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 10, 2021, 10:29:19 AM
I would have agreed at the beginning of the offseason, but I agree less now. At the beginning of the offseason, we had an entire roster that was theoretically held back by Wojo and could've been in for major improvement under Smart. Now 7 of those players (and likely soon to be 8) have left. The only three players currently on the roster that were likely held back by Wojo were Elliott, Lewis, and Oso. Even if all three get a massive boost from having Smart as a coach, we're still surrounding them with 5 freshmen ranked outside the top 75 and 3 transfers that didn't crack the top 100 transfer list this offseason. Morsell will be a welcome addition and a top transfer but I still don't think it's enough for a competitive team on paper next season. If we get a bid next season, it will be YUGE testament to Smart's ability as a coach, either because he extremely coached the group up or he identified talent that was undervalued by everyone else.
Smart clearly hasn't prioritized winning next season since taking over. His focus has been building a young core that he can develop over the next few seasons and adding some defensive gurus to help develop that young core. Next season is likely a bummer, but I think it is the right strategy long term. Successful coaches establish a culture early on.
Nice post, TAMU. This summarizes the current situation quite well. Not sure how anyone can look at this team and see a mid-tier Big East team without an incredible amount of blue and gold bias.
Garcia returns and Morsell comes - maybe just maybe we're looking at an NIT team - and everything goes swimmingly, a team that flirts with the bubble. But that is a whole lot of ifs.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 10, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
Nice post, TAMU. This summarizes the current situation quite well. Not sure how anyone can look at this team and see a mid-tier Big East team without an incredible amount of blue and gold bias.
Garcia returns and Morsell comes - maybe just maybe we're looking at an NIT team - and everything goes swimmingly, a team that flirts with the bubble. But that is a whole lot of ifs.
When Shaka came aboard, I moved over to the Slurping Side of The Street. So I am looking at this coming season in a much more positive light. I think Shaka has assembled a roster where winning will be the primary goal , rather than showcasing for the NBA. I look around the Big East and don't see us in any kind of competitive disadvantage. With the 20 game conference season being the bulk of the schedule, I think we should be able to put up some quality wins.
Removing the blue and gold glasses.... I don't miss Wojo and I like Shaka and want nothing but success for him, as his success is MU's success. But.....
If you lay Wojo's record at MU next to Shaka's record at Texas, they are indistinguishable.
This is a near total roster rebuild, highlighted by 10 players with 0-1 years of college experience.
None of the recruits are 5 star, none of the transfers are reputed to be program changers.
Lots of potential, no known quantities. Way too many ifs.
I look at this coming year as a building block. Nothing more, nothing less. I want to see the foundation for success put in place. If Garcia and Morsell both come, MU may get to .500 or even into NIT talk. If neither come and MU runs with the current 11 other players, I am not sure I see 12 season wins. But it is only mid June and maybe somebody makes a huge leap or is far better than their previous ranking.
21-22 is all about the process. Not wins and losses. Go, Shaka!
Whenever I think about the upcoming season, my ultra-optimist side is in a death match against my ultra-realist side.
Had DJ and Garcia stayed, my optimistic side would have won easily. But they didn't, so now I'm hoping for "sneaky good."
Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2021, 02:06:35 PM
Had DJ and Garcia stayed, my optimistic side would have won easily. But they didn't, so now I'm hoping for "sneaky good."
Garcia is leaving?
Quote from: tower912 on June 10, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
Removing the blue and gold glasses.... I don't miss Wojo and I like Shaka and want nothing but success for him, as his success is MU's success. But.....
If you lay Wojo's record at MU next to Shaka's record at Texas, they are indistinguishable.
This is a near total roster rebuild, highlighted by 10 players with 0-1 years of college experience.
None of the recruits are 5 star, none of the transfers are reputed to be program changers.
Lots of potential, no known quantities. Way too many ifs.
I look at this coming year as a building block. Nothing more, nothing less. I want to see the foundation for success put in place. If Garcia and Morsell both come, MU may get to .500 or even into NIT talk. If neither come and MU runs with the current 11 other players, I am not sure I see 12 season wins. But it is only mid June and maybe somebody makes a huge leap or is far better than their previous ranking.
21-22 is all about the process. Not wins and losses. Go, Shaka!
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I agree but the new sad reality of college hoops is that besides the two 5th yr seniors we'll probably lose at least 3 other players. So a foundation is a lot harder to build if you are constantly turning over a 3rd of your roster.
Indeed.
Quote from: tower912 on June 10, 2021, 09:20:01 PM
Indeed.
When do we get back to at least Buzz levels Tower? Ya never know how much time we have left.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 10, 2021, 08:50:12 PM
Garcia is leaving?
I have no earthly idea. Others seem to think he's already gone. I meant to word that with an "if."
Quote from: tower912 on June 10, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
Removing the blue and gold glasses.... I don't miss Wojo and I like Shaka and want nothing but success for him, as his success is MU's success. But.....
If you lay Wojo's record at MU next to Shaka's record at Texas, they are indistinguishable.
This is a near total roster rebuild, highlighted by 10 players with 0-1 years of college experience.
None of the recruits are 5 star, none of the transfers are reputed to be program changers.
Lots of potential, no known quantities. Way too many ifs.
I look at this coming year as a building block. Nothing more, nothing less. I want to see the foundation for success put in place. If Garcia and Morsell both come, MU may get to .500 or even into NIT talk. If neither come and MU runs with the current 11 other players, I am not sure I see 12 season wins. But it is only mid June and maybe somebody makes a huge leap or is far better than their previous ranking.
21-22 is all about the process. Not wins and losses. Go, Shaka!
The Shaka vs wojo record talking point has been (imo) thoroughly debunked on this forum on multiple occasions. There is zero comparison between the two when you include context.
Quote from: tower912 on June 10, 2021, 12:48:23 PM
If you lay Wojo's record at MU next to Shaka's record at Texas, they are indistinguishable.
Quote from: Tha Hound on June 10, 2021, 10:53:21 PM
The Shaka vs wojo record talking point has been (imo) thoroughly debunked on this forum on multiple occasions. There is zero comparison between the two when you include context.
This is such classic 'Scoop - two completely hyperbolic positions from opposite extremes.
I'll take a stab at being the voice of reason:
Of course they can be distinguished. Easily. There is a lot of context that one can cite that makes a difference. I'll concede that their number of wins in the NCAA tournament are indistinguishable.
Of course there is some comparison between the two. Actually there are quite a lot of similarities. But, I also agree that when considered in context, Shaka's performance was better.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 10, 2021, 11:22:41 PM
This is such classic 'Scoop - two completely hyperbolic positions from opposite extremes.
I'll take a stab at being the voice of reason:
Of course they can be distinguished. Easily. There is a lot of context that one can cite that makes a difference. I'll concede that their number of wins in the NCAA tournament are indistinguishable.
Of course there is some comparison between the two. Actually there are quite a lot of similarities. But, I also agree that when considered in context, Shaka's performance was better.
100%
Agreed.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 10, 2021, 11:22:41 PM
This is such classic 'Scoop - two completely hyperbolic positions from opposite extremes.
I'll take a stab at being the voice of reason:
Of course they can be distinguished. Easily. There is a lot of context that one can cite that makes a difference. I'll concede that their number of wins in the NCAA tournament are indistinguishable.
Of course there is some comparison between the two. Actually there are quite a lot of similarities. But, I also agree that when considered in context, Shaka's performance was better.
Well stated, SAW.
Says it is Marquette or DePaul for Darryl
https://twitter.com/goldeneagles_mu/status/1404060135631241220?s=21
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on June 13, 2021, 09:56:02 PM
Says it is Marquette or DePaul for Darryl
https://twitter.com/goldeneagles_mu/status/1404060135631241220?s=21
I'd be more impressed if those college basketball experts didn't spell Morsell's name wrong. Twice. Including in the headline.
ESPN has Darryl ranked as the #42nd Ranked Transfer in the country today.
Quote from: 94Warrior on June 10, 2021, 09:12:25 AM
With Garcia and Morsell, I see a top half of the Big East finish, and a tourney bid.
Don't underestimate the positive impact of not having Wojo patrolling the sideline.
Strongly agree. We now have a really good game coach. That will make a big difference.
Lost to Abilene Christian last year with his team having like 21 or 22 turnovers, so I am not sold yet he is a better coach.
Both coaches were not great the last 7 years.
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 18, 2021, 05:46:10 PM
Lost to Abilene Christian last year with his team having like 21 or 22 turnovers, so I am not sold yet he is a better coach.
Both coaches were not great the last 7 years.
Shaka's teams were 3 possessions away from winning 3 NCAA games. Also won an NIT & B12 tourney. I'll take that over a pair of 19-point losses, an NIT quarterfinal, and zero Big East Title Game appearances.
Yes history has shown he has done better, let's see how he does here, no guarantee. I hope he has good as Buzz did.
Shaka's teams at UT were better ..
But not by much.
He did not win an NCAA game. If we are sitting here in 7 years, w / no NCAA wins, he will be being shown the door too ( even if he wins an NIT ).
Shaka is here because he did not succeed at Texas. I hope he does better at MU
Thanks for giving me some historical proof. I new he did not win a NCAA tourney game and was really run out of Texas after that ridiculous loss to AC
tired thread. until theres legit news why bother
Wojo: 128-95 (.574) Conference 59-68 (.465)
Shaka at Texas 109-86 (.559) Conf 51-56 (.477)
I will not miss Wojo and wish Shaka all the best, as his success is MU's success.
Quote from: tower912 on June 18, 2021, 07:39:06 PM
Wojo: 128-95 (.574) Conference 59-68 (.465)
Shaka at Texas 109-86 (.559) Conf 51-56 (.477)
I will not miss Wojo and wish Shaka all the best, as his success is MU's success.
Shaka's best player had cancer
Wojo's best player...
DON'T DO IT LENS, DON'T DO IT
When Shaka came on board, I moved over to the slurpin' side of the street. As far as I am concerned everything is going swimmingly so far. Come on in the waters fine.
Quote from: Johnny B on June 18, 2021, 07:36:03 PM
tired thread. until theres legit news why bother
You're participation here is voluntary.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 18, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
When Shaka came on board, I moved over to the slurpin' side of the street. As far as I am concerned everything is going swimmingly so far. Come on in the waters fine.
But keep a sharp eye out for large protruding fins cutting through the water!
Or riptides.
Quote from: Mu8891 on June 18, 2021, 07:16:48 PM
Shaka's teams at UT were better ..
But not by much.
He did not win an NCAA game. If we are sitting here in 7 years, w / no NCAA wins, he will be being shown the door too ( even if he wins an NIT ).
Shaka is here because he did not succeed at Texas. I hope he does better at MU
Disagree.
Purely for sake of discussion, let's say that we had a H&H with UT during Shaka's 6 years there. I think MU would have gone either 1-1 or 2-0 in 18'-19' but other than that one season (or 80% of it) how would the other 10 games play out?
Edit: MU had to deal with Nova but take into account that UT faced KU, TT, and Baylor. When comparing Shaka's record to Wojo's, its disingenuous to ignore UT's opponents.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 19, 2021, 09:43:16 AM
Disagree. Purely for sake of discussion, let's say that we had a H&H with UT during Shaka's 6 years there. I think MU would have gone either 1-1 or 2-0 in 18'-19' but other than that one season (or 80% of it) how would the other 10 games play out?
Edit: MU had to deal with Nova but take into account that UT faced KU, TT, and Baylor. When comparing Shaka's record to Wojo's, its disingenuous to ignore UT's opponents.
TT has only been good for a few years not his entire tenure. But KU and Baylor are good points Oklahoma may be better example than TT tbh.
Quote from: tower912 on June 18, 2021, 07:39:06 PM
Wojo: 128-95 (.574) Conference 59-68 (.465)
Shaka at Texas 109-86 (.559) Conf 51-56 (.477)
I will not miss Wojo and wish Shaka all the best, as his success is MU's success.
Wojo win pct with Howard:
.626 (.542 BE)
Wojo win pct without Howard:
.500 (.462 BE)
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on June 19, 2021, 10:49:59 AM
Wojo win pct with Howard:
.626 (.542 BE)
Wojo win pct without Howard:
.500 (.462 BE)
It's rougher when you remove Henry as well.
Quote from: tower912 on June 18, 2021, 07:39:06 PM
Wojo: 128-95 (.574) Conference 59-68 (.465)
Shaka at Texas 109-86 (.559) Conf 51-56 (.477)
I will not miss Wojo and wish Shaka all the best, as his success is MU's success.
Ah yes the classic "wojo-guy" record-reductionism. We hate context here on scoop.
There are arguments to be made on both sides. We all saw first hand the lack of adjustments/hero-ball/constant roster turnover here, but if Shaka were the grand slam hire many seem to think, he would have had more success at UT. I watched none of his games at UT, but I know that he had multiple future NBAers and still was only around .500 in conference. Is the conference tougher? Yes, but he also had more talent. We've all heard the "show me what you can do in March" argument against Wojo, and Shaka does have a FF, but he will in all likelihood go a decade without a tourney win, and that's certainly not a green flag. I think Shaka has a higher ceiling, and I think he can have success here, but let's not pretend like there aren't holes in his resume.
What's the point in comparing Shaka's record with Wojo's record?
Now comparing Shaka's record to Porter Moser's record, there be some point to that.
For 2021-22, Moser was in the possibility set, Wojo was not.
The difference for me is in talking to staff, they're working 15 hour days again. There's an energy & buzz in that building that hasn't been felt since, well, Buzz.
We're back.
So ... where are we with Morsell?
Quote from: The Lens on June 19, 2021, 11:54:05 AM
The difference for me is in talking to staff, they're working 15 hour days again. There's an energy & buzz in that building that hasn't been felt since, well, Buzz.
We're back.
Lens I love your optimism! That's good to hear about the energy in the building. Hopefully Garcia and Morsell can sense it as well.
Lens ...
We're " back " ... cuz the staff is allegedly working 15 hour days ( I
don't believe that ) ??
Before they have played one game? That's ridiculous. As said above ... if Shaka was the Savior, he would not have been tossed out by UT
Quote from: MU82 on June 19, 2021, 12:18:07 PM
So ... where are we with Morsell?
It's hard to believe we are coming up on what, like the 45th anniversary of MUScoop and there still isn't a notification on the main screen that the thread title has nothing to do with what is currently being discussed on a thread.
On second thought maybe the notification should be active when the title IS what is being discussed, then there would be fewer notifications to look for.
Quote from: MU82 on June 19, 2021, 12:18:07 PM
So ... where are we with Morsell?
Maybe there should be a separate thread about that.
Quote from: Mu8891 on June 19, 2021, 05:02:42 PM
Lens ...
We're " back " ... cuz the staff is allegedly working 15 hour days ( I
don't believe that ) ??
Before they have played one game? That's ridiculous. As said above ... if Shaka was the Savior, he would not have been tossed out by UT
When did Texas "toss him out"? Adding your own BS to the story?
Quote from: Mu8891 on June 19, 2021, 05:02:42 PM
Lens ...
We're " back " ... cuz the staff is allegedly working 15 hour days ( I
don't believe that ) ??
Before they have played one game? That's ridiculous. As said above ... if Shaka was the Savior, he would not have been tossed out by UT
If Buzz was VaTech's Savior, he would not have been tossed out by MU
79 -
Ok ... pushed out ?
Asked to leave ? Happy to have him Exit ? How would u describe it ?
Every single story / report / published article indicated they wanted him out so they could hire Beard - which they did
immediately.
It is what it is.
Quote from: Mu8891 on June 20, 2021, 04:05:08 PM
79 -
Ok ... pushed out ?
Asked to leave ? Happy to have him Exit ? How would u describe it ?
Every single story / report / published article indicated they wanted him out so they could hire Beard - which they did
immediately.
It is what it is.
And it was really really good for marquette, the ended up not having to pay any buyout. All of Shaka's assistants ended up with jobs, granted all came here except one went to Oklahoma
Quote from: Mu8891 on June 19, 2021, 05:02:42 PM
Lens ...
We're " back " ... cuz the staff is allegedly working 15 hour days ( I
don't believe that ) ??
Before they have played one game? That's ridiculous. As said above ... if Shaka was the Savior, he would not have been tossed out by UT
Dude if you want to be taken seriously on this website, lose the ...
Quote from: Mu8891 on June 19, 2021, 05:02:42 PM
Lens ...
We're " back " ... cuz the staff is allegedly working 15 hour days ( I
don't believe that ) ??
Before they have played one game? That's ridiculous. As said above ... if Shaka was the Savior, he would not have been tossed out by UT
Do you have ANY IDEA what happened to the last basketball coach "tossed out" by Texas? I'm betting not.
Quote from: 4everDawson on June 22, 2021, 02:59:34 PM
Do you have ANY IDEA what happened to the last basketball coach "tossed out" by Texas? I'm betting not.
2023 Final Four is in Houston...a MU / Tennessee Championship game would be delicious.
Where are we with Morsell?
Quote from: DienerTime34 on June 22, 2021, 04:00:32 PM
Where are we with Morsell?
What a ridiculous question to ask in this thread. Shame on you!
https://twitter.com/goldeneagles_mu/status/1408828501076103169?s=21
After yesterday here's some Optimistic news #mubb Darryl Morsell 247sports.com/college/maryla... via @247sports
"If I was a betting man, I'd put my house on it," the source said. "He's been in contact with Shaka [Smart[ for a while now, really likes what he's been presented with and ultimately just wants to see what he can do elsewhere."
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on June 26, 2021, 04:07:52 PM
"If I was a betting man, I'd put my house on it," the source said. "He's been in contact with Shaka [Smart[ for a while now, really likes what he's been presented with and ultimately just wants to see what he can do elsewhere."
if Morsell signs and is good, Lewis takes a step up, Elliott has health, this season may not necessarily be bad. Joplin can ball. A couple other new comers might excel under Shaka. Yeah, some 'if's', but I'm optimistic. Should be good enough to beat Judas U.
https://www.barttorvik.com/rosters22.php?team=Marquette&year=2022
95th right now without Dawson, and Morsell. I think Morsell will get us to about 80. Minnesota needs alot of help. Dawson wont get them into the NIT.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1408951158106906624?s=19
We'll know where we are at on Monday
Expecting good news on Monday. If all goes well, I wonder if Shaka uses the final scholarship or decides to pocket it for future use.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on June 27, 2021, 09:14:50 AM
Expecting good news on Monday. If all goes well, I wonder if Shaka uses the final scholarship or decides to pocket it for future use.
Boy I hope you're right GW11.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on June 27, 2021, 09:14:50 AM
Expecting good news on Monday. If all goes well, I wonder if Shaka uses the final scholarship or decides to pocket it for future use.
BETTER USE IT! Or we are doomed forever!!!
Wojo rarely used all his scholarships and we saw the results. A lot of silly people on scoop who said that was a huge issue with Wojo, will really start the Shaka era off with some anger. 😏
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on June 27, 2021, 09:14:50 AM
Expecting good news on Monday. If all goes well, I wonder if Shaka uses the final scholarship or decides to pocket it for future use.
Maryland 247 mod posted yesterday it's MU
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on June 27, 2021, 10:01:07 AM
Maryland 247 mod posted yesterday it's MU
Nice. Let's go now.
If Dawson and Darryl are here this year then it might be a pretty exciting year!
Best DM I've gotten in awhile
I like Morsell's versatility. He may even put up better offensive numbers than projected. Hopefully tomorrow is a good day for MU.
Hey I'm a MD guy, just coming to say that the smoke is true. Treat our boy good okay!
Quote from: jbw318522 on June 28, 2021, 01:14:50 AM
Hey I'm a MD guy, just coming to say that the smoke is true. Treat our boy good okay!
Can anyone decipher this for me? I have a hard time with bmore accents.
Quote from: jbw318522 on June 28, 2021, 01:14:50 AM
Hey I'm a MD guy, just coming to say that the smoke is true. Treat our boy good okay!
Obviously you haven't read enough Scoop, if he doesn't become a double double player they'll say he $ucks and was a wasted scholarship.
Darryl retweeted Last Don from Baltimore's Tweet today. It said
Real love going come to you don't chase it !
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on June 28, 2021, 12:17:01 PM
Darryl retweeted Last Don from Baltimore's Tweet today. It said
Real love going come to you don't chase it !
Heck Darryl Marquette Loves You
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1409589261301542915?s=19
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https://twitter.com/410D_/status/1409589474040811522?s=20
Quote from: Markusquette on June 28, 2021, 02:11:16 PM
https://twitter.com/410D_/status/1409589474040811522?s=20
So you're saying there's a chance...