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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: naginiF on March 30, 2018, 10:14:37 AM
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Nova -5 o/u = 154.5
Michigan -5.5 o/u = 129.5
That Michigan Loyola o/u struck me as shockingly low but Loyola's 4 game total points have averaged 132 and Michigan's average is 129 - and that included a 171 total for the TAMU game.
I'd like to see the Loyola vs Nova championship but I'll take both favorites giving the points. I think it's a classic Nova game where it's back and forth for 25-30 minutes then Nova flips the switch and its a 14 point lead and not enough time for KU to come back.
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I'll start this off with Sister Jean starting to jump the shark.
https://twitter.com/TomKCTV5/status/979737617582428160
SISTER JEAN 🔥 TAKE:
God likes the NCAA more than the NBA because “these young players play with their heart and not for financial gain."
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That's smoking hot.
What if Tebow joins the G-League though?
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Go, Catholics. It is a big guard's game.
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I always cheer for Big East teams in the dance, but if it’s Nova vs Loyola in the final I would be good with either winning.
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I'll start this off with Sister Jean starting to jump the shark.
https://twitter.com/TomKCTV5/status/979737617582428160
SISTER JEAN 🔥 TAKE:
God likes the NCAA more than the NBA because “these young players play with their heart and not for financial gain."
Let's allow her to keep her innocence.
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Let's allow her to keep her innocence.
Why?
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Why?
Agree. She's in charge of a respected center of higher learning. Leaders need to deal in facts.
I'd hate to be the one to break the news to her, though.
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Who's playing this year?
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I always cheer for Big East teams in the dance, but if it’s Nova vs Loyola in the final I would be good with either winning.
If It's Loyola v. Nova, Nova may win by 20.
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Agree. She's in charge of a respected center of higher learning. Leaders need to deal in facts.
I'd hate to be the one to break the news to her, though.
She isn't in charge of anything. She's the team chaplain.
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SISTER JEAN 🔥 TAKE:
God likes the NCAA more than the NBA because “these young players play with their heart and not for financial gain."
I'd expect nothing else from an old white person.
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#crapshoot
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She isn't in charge of anything. She's the team chaplain.
Yes. My mistake.
If It's Loyola v. Nova, Nova may win by 20.
Pretty sure that was the prediction for Duke over Butler in 2010.
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If anyone was randomly watching CBS Sports Net 20 minuets ago, that was my son Bradley being interviewed by Seth Davis.
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I've been waiting for the Sister Jean story to on on long enough only to see her fall from public grace.
See: Ken Bone, Keaton Jones, Richard Jewell
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If anyone was randomly watching CBS Sports Network, 20 minuets ago, that was my son Bradley being interviewed by Seth Davis.
OMG. Small world. I saw it. I love CBSSN. Great network.
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If anyone was randomly watching CBS Sports Net 20 minuets ago, that was my son Bradley being interviewed by Seth Davis.
That’s awesome wish I would’ve seen it. Post the video if possible
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https://youtu.be/2TA9_5upOZU
My son is a man of few words. For some reason this video cuts off, so I didn’t hear his Loyola answer. I was standing four feet away and couldn’t hear a word either Seth or Bradley said (school bands were quite loud).
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I've been waiting for the Sister Jean story to on on long enough only to see her fall from public grace.
See: Ken Bone, Keaton Jones, Richard Jewell
the next Milkshake Duck
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Boarding plane to SA. Villanova dad hat (daughter cringing/proud) Loyola grad FF shirt. Plane full of Michigan folks. From Chicago. Maybe all the Loyola folks left yesterday?
Go Ramblers. Go Cats.
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Boarding plane to SA. Villanova dad hat (daughter cringing/proud) Loyola grad FF shirt. Plane full of Michigan folks. From Chicago. Maybe all the Loyola folks left yesterday?
Go Ramblers. Go Cats.
Should be a lot of fun. Hope you enjoy the day. I will be rooting for the same teams.
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Boarding plane to SA. Villanova dad hat (daughter cringing/proud) Loyola grad FF shirt. Plane full of Michigan folks. From Chicago. Maybe all the Loyola folks left yesterday?
Go Ramblers. Go Cats.
Have a great time! I'd LOVE to see Loyola vs Nova in the final.
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https://youtu.be/2TA9_5upOZU
My son is a man of few words. For some reason this video cuts off, so I didn’t hear his Loyola answer. I was standing four feet away and couldn’t hear a word either Seth or Bradley said (school bands were quite loud).
That’s great thanks for posting
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Glow just got a text from one of our friends who is on his way to the tourney.
His flight was overbooked. His daughter got $1500 for a later flight, and he held out until they were offering $3000. He's still going to make it to San Antonio in time to make the first game.
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Boarding plane to SA. Villanova dad hat (daughter cringing/proud) Loyola grad FF shirt. Plane full of Michigan folks. From Chicago. Maybe all the Loyola folks left yesterday?
Go Ramblers. Go Cats.
My buddy just got $4500 by taking a bump on 2 airline seats. Will still make the game on time .
Edit: Sorry. Just saw chick beat me to it.
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Glow just got a text from one of our friends who is on his way to the tourney.
His flight was overbooked. His daughter got $1500 for a later flight, and he held out until they were offering $3000. He's still going to make it to San Antonio in time to make the first game.
Smart resourceful family.
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Boarding plane to SA. Villanova dad hat (daughter cringing/proud) Loyola grad FF shirt. Plane full of Michigan folks. From Chicago. Maybe all the Loyola folks left yesterday?
Go Ramblers. Go Cats.
Many Loyola fans left yesterday. We had to settle for a local Loyola Alumni watch party tonight. Get us a win, Legs. Go Ramblers!
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Diamond's cuz from DSHA nailed it. She gonna have a bedder pro career dan 'im, aina?
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Boarding plane to SA. Villanova dad hat (daughter cringing/proud) Loyola grad FF shirt. Plane full of Michigan folks. From Chicago. Maybe all the Loyola folks left yesterday?
Go Ramblers. Go Cats.
Go Legs!
Good luck to Ramblers and Cats.
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Michigan blows. They are dumping all over the court. Except the great composer, Wagner.
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Krutwig is playing great. This is a guy that 13 of his first 17 games this year couldn't reach double figures, but now is rock steady.
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Krutwig is playing great. This is a guy that 13 of his first 17 games this year couldn't reach double figures, but now is rock steady.
Big guy with great feet. Glow calls him White Davante.
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Big guy with great feet. Glow calls him White Davante.
He looks like Sam on Game of Thrones.
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Just win, baby! Great to see a Jesuit team play Rick's defense.
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The first 8-10 minutes convinced me LUC was going to win. Michigan was up, but Loyola was missing good looks & UM was getting most of their points on putbacks. The shots started falling and Loyola did better on the defensive glass and here we are. UM needs to hunt good shots sooner and capitalize on turnovers instead of throwing the ball away.
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just saying-if loyola should beat michigan and have a shot at the big one, how much could this lead to freshman and sophomores stay another year or two? especially guys of marginal nba g-league abilities, eyn'a haanif :D
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Much more fun this half
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Much more fun this half
If the pace stays like this, I could see Michigan wearing LUC out. Ramblers need to keep the tempo down.
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Man, it seems like Krutwig has been at Loyola Chicago for 6 years
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Man, it seems like Krutwig has been at Loyola Chicago for 6 years
Can one imagine when he is a senior in 3 years.... :P
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He looks like he could be Rowsey's big brother
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Can one imagine when he is a senior in 3 years.... :P
Just looked up his bio on the Loyola website. He was 1st team all-state in Illinois last year. I am surprised he didn't garner more interest from bigger programs. I suppose his weight might have scared some schools off.
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Let's make this more like a game thread.
How was that a foul against Loyola?
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Let's make this more like a game thread.
How was that a foul against Loyola?
No me gusta.
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That timeout was very late
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Turns out I'm not a fan of Michigan
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Turns out I'm not a fan of Michigan
One guy in a Rogers Park bar with a Michigan hockey jersey has started clapping in Loyola fans faces. Betcha he didn't even go to Michigan.
Oh well it was a fun ride.
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That timeout was very late
First stop in play in the under 4.
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It just occurred to me how uninteresting a Michigan-Kansas game would be to me. Come on Villanova
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Just looked up his bio on the Loyola website. He was 1st team all-state in Illinois last year. I am surprised he didn't garner more interest from bigger programs. I suppose his weight might have scared some schools off.
Same reason Davante barely got any interest.
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Just looked up his bio on the Loyola website. He was 1st team all-state in Illinois last year. I am surprised he didn't garner more interest from bigger programs. I suppose his weight might have scared some schools off.
He wasn't that good at Jacobs. Scored, but against guys much smaller. Disappeared against anyone with size. Soft as the Pillsbury Dough Boy.
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I know Loyola was playing with house money for a long time, but losing to Michigan of all teams still blows.
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Michigan boobs.
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It was still a game ... Loyola only down 8 ... and Sister Jean gets wheeled out of the arena.
Reading his lips, I could see one Rambler say to another, "Shyte, even God thinks we're toast. Why even bother?"
OK, that last line didn't happen ... but really, why even bother believing in miracles if the Lord's gonna bolt a winnable game with 2 minutes to go?
Seriously, I enjoyed the Loyola run. Every tournament is better if an underdog goes a long way.
Also, watching Wagner, I couldn't help thinking that could have been us last season had Henry stayed another year.
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Fun run. I enjoyed every minute, even the last 10 minutes. NCAAs are the bomb.
Michigan had to fill their student section with Air Force personnel. Sad. 5th Place Maui team in F2.
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Cheered for Loyola as I have an MBA from there. My heart wasn't in it though as I'm a Warrior.
At the end, Loyola just was worn out by a stronger, deeper Michigan team. They played well but Michigan had more talent and had been through the Big 10 ringer, while Loyola played Indiana State, SIU, Illinois State, Western Illinois etc. There's a huge difference and in the end it showed.
Hats off to Porter Moser and Loyola.
And gang, there's a special place on Satan's hot seat for people who are mean to nuns! Be nice to Sister Jean.
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The video technology they used on the floor during the intros was impressive.
I assume we will have that in the new Milorganite Center.
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God damn nova is good
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This reminds me of MU/Kansas so far.
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It's like watching Golden State. Wow.
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This reminds me of MU/Kansas so far.
Two years ago, Villanova over Oklahoma 95 to 51.
Way too much time, though. Two #1 seeds, this could still be a close game if KU can get it together.
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announcers are all in on KU
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announcers are all in on KU
Are you watching the Kansas home feed, maybe?
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Are you watching the Kansas home feed, maybe?
Ha ha. Good call. TBS is the neutral feed with Nantz and Raftery
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The KU run started on a missed out of bounds on KU, Brunson tries a Rowsey, fouled, no call
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Are you watching the Kansas home feed, maybe?
TBS DirecTV but I guess they sent us the KU feed
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Ha ha. Good call. TBS is the neutral feed with Nantz and Raftery
Seems for some reason DirecTV here is broadcasting KU feed this suxs
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I keep wanting Villanova to run offense and get stuff going to the basket. Then they hit another 3.
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Got the national feed now
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Somebody on Scoop posted that Wojo is an offensive genius in coaching. Of course then that means that Jay Wright is an Einstein on steroids for coaching offense.
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Somebody on Scoop posted that Wojo is an offensive genius in coaching. Of course then that means that Jay Wright is an Einstein on steroids for coaching offense.
Wrong thread
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I keep wanting Villanova to run offense and get stuff going to the basket. Then they hit another 3.
Yep. Totally on fire.
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Yeah. And? He doesn't run plays. He runs concepts. Having 3 6'9 guys, 3 6'3 guys, a pair of swing men, 7 of whom can dribble, pass and shoot 3s, all of whom can switch on defense. Genius.
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Villanova just tied the record for most threes in a Final Four game with 13. In the FIRST HALF.
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Wrong thread
Right thread. Wright knows what he is doing, and is in the Final 4. Title of this thread is "Final Four Thread."
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Why can't Matt Heldt do dunks like that?
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Villanova is going to have to get stuff going to the basket in the second half and work harder on the defensive boards. Not even close to over and if Nova settles for 3s and goes cold for 3 minutes, Kansas can catch up that fast.
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Right thread. Wright knows what he is doing, and is in the Final 4. Title of this thread is "Final Four Thread."
What you posted had nothing to do with final 4
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Villanova is going to have to get stuff going to the basket in the second half and work harder on the defensive boards. Not even close to over and if Nova settles for 3s and goes cold for 3 minutes, Kansas can catch up that fast.
Agree. Essentially what Jay said at half.
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KU’s going to have to drive and kick out in the second half to get in this. I’d let Malik run the offense and keep Graham outside. Svi has given KU next to nothing.
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Agree. Essentially what Jay said at half.
Totally agree.
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Agree. Essentially what Jay said at half.
from the volume of Nova games we've watched aren't the first 5 possessions either drive and pull up at the elbow or passes to weak side slashes to ride the hot hand and bomb?
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from the volume of Nova games we've watched aren't the first 5 possessions either drive and pull up at the elbow or passes to weak side slashes to ride the hot hand and bomb?
Big East represent. Experienced team comes out to get it done.
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I’ll say one thing. Whether you thought our team was bad this year or not
Our results against Nova can’t be used as proof.
These guys are just insane.
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I’ll say one thing. Whether you thought our team was bad this year or not
Our results against Nova can’t be used as proof.
These guys are just insane.
21-11 against teams not named Villanova.
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I’ll say one thing. Whether you thought our team was bad this year or not
Our results against Nova can’t be used as proof.
These guys are just insane.
We played them tough 2 out of 3 times. At Nova we never truly threatened but we competed at least. At home we had a real chance. BET we got blitzed in the second half.
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28 minutes in, free throws no matta for Nova.
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21-11 against teams not named Villanova.
21-9 against non #1 seeds
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Brunson is his usual steady self, but Paschall and Spellman have been remarkable tonight.
Just an amazing performance.
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21-9 against non #1 seeds
21-8 against non 1-2 seeds. With a young, injured team.
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Go, Villanova! Beat Michigan!
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21-8 against non 1-2 seeds. With a young, injured team.
I smell a Banner!!!
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I smell a Banner!!!
I smell reason to be optimistic for the next two seasons.
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Brunson is his usual steady self, but Paschall and Spellman have been remarkable tonight.
Just an amazing performance.
Spellman has been insane last couple of games
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Nova has officially castrated the Big 12
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21-8 against non 1-2 seeds. With a young, injured team.
8-12 versus Pomeroy A/B teams. Yay!
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Who is Villanova losing?
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7-12 versus Pomeroy A/B teams. Yay!
Tough schedule!
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Nova has officially castrated the Big 12
I propose we name them Big 12 champs.
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Who is Villanova losing?
They could return everyone, barring NBA early entrants.
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Who is Villanova losing?
No one to graduation. We shall see who declares.
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Nova has officially castrated the Big 12
So. There was a hillbilly that called in on Sirius XM before the West Virginia-Villanova game. Running his mouth, saying Villanova would finish in the middle of the Big 12.
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Go, Villanova! Beat Michigan!
+1000
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So. There was a hillbilly that called in on Sirius XM before the West Virginia-Villanova game. Running his mouth, saying Villanova would finish in the middle of the Big 12.
Sounds about right for a West Virginian
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Who is Villanova losing?
To graduation? Nobody....which is terrifying.
Bridges is considered a lottery pick and Brunson a first round pick. Personally, I would draft Spellman in the first round too if I was a GM.
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That was a heckuva press break. Wish we could do that once of twice.
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Buzz should have waltzed longer on their logo.
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21-8 against non 1-2 seeds. With a young, injured team.
And if Butler got a #1 or #2 seed, it would be 21-6!!!
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Average college basketball fan: "Wow, Villanova picked the right time to play their best game of the season."
Average Big East college basketball fan: "Wow, I thought Villanova wouldn't have brought their B game for the Final Four"
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A$$ kicking, hey
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Who is Villanova losing?
Bridges is projected as a top-10 pick, so I'd bet he is gone. Brunson is projected as a second-rounder, so he may be back. They'd be awesome either way, but if he stays - wow!
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Average college basketball fan: "Wow, Villanova picked the right time to play their best game of the season."
Average Big East college basketball fan: "Wow, I thought Villanova wouldn't have brought their B game for the Final Four"
Yeah, we've seen this before.
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Average college basketball fan: "Wow, Villanova picked the right time to play their best game of the season."
Average Big East college basketball fan: "Wow, I thought Villanova wouldn't have brought their B game for the Final Four"
I can’t imagine many Big East fans picked anyone but Nova in their brackets. They’re head and shoulders the best team I’ve seen this year.
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To graduation? Nobody....which is terrifying.
Bridges is considered a lottery pick and Brunson a first round pick. Personally, I would draft Spellman in the first round too if I was a GM.
If Spellman has a good champioship game he has to be a 1st round pick.
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Yeah, we've seen this before.
We gave Nova a better workout than KU in 2 of our 3 matchups.
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We gave Nova a better workout than KU in 2 of our 3 matchups.
Even on 3rd game we had a better first half
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I have never had such positive feelings about a conference foe as I do about Nova. This team is absolutely unreal to a man and Jay Wright is a class act win or lose.
One more to go with two of the best coaches in the country. Nova by 12.
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If Michigan is hitting 3's Monday they could be trouble.
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We need to be back in the Final Four so we can have a Marquette feed with homer and Mac on cable
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So. There was a hillbilly that called in on Sirius XM before the West Virginia-Villanova game. Running his mouth, saying Villanova would finish in the middle of the Big 12.
Was it Buzz?
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Who is Villanova losing?
Theoretically they could return everyone
Realistically they are losing Bridges forsure and maybe Brunson
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I just looked at Nova’s roster, and noticed that of their main 6 players (Brunson, Bridges, Booth, Paschall, Spellman, DiVincenzo), Brunson is the only one who did not take a red shirt year. That speaks volumes. Has that always been Jay Wright’s MO, or a more recent development? How do we convince more guys to invest the time?
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If Michigan is hitting 3's Monday they could be trouble.
Honestly, I think it all comes down to Nova. If Nova is on, they win. If Nova and Michigan are both off, Nova wins. If Nova is off and Michigan is on, the Wolverines have a chance.
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I have been so impressed with Spellman every time I've watched Nova. Even when he hasn't had the big scoring games, he just seems so mature basketball-wise for a freshman. Great basketball body.
I am not a draftnik, but I do know these things aren't done in a vacuum. In other words, other excellent prospects also will be available. But are there really 15 better prospects than this 19-year-old, 6-9 kid who can hit 3s, drive for dunks, block shots, grab rebounds, etc? C'mon man.
It would be close between him and Bridges for the first Nova player I'd draft.
I love Brunson, too. He will have a long NBA career.
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So. There was a hillbilly that called in on Sirius XM before the West Virginia-Villanova game. Running his mouth, saying Villanova would finish in the middle of the Big 12.
According to a tweet I just saw the hillbilly was Doug Gottlieb
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According to a tweet I just saw the hillbilly was Doug Gottlieb
Link?
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Link?
Hope this works. If not look at Anonymous Eagle's retweet
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Was kind of funny that everyone on TBS thought it was surprising Nova won so easily. I suppose they need to say that. I'd expect a few teams to play a close game, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Nova blow out anybody.
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I don't think any team was beating Nova tonight. A great team that also played effen great. However ...
I hated the way Kansas played on both offense and defense.
On D, they just let Nova keep shooting open 3s. I don't think they challenged a single one of 'em in the first 10 minutes. Grant Hill finally said something like, "I think Kansas needs to get out there and guard them a little bit." Yeah, ya think? OK, so maybe that leads to interior buckets, but you can't just let a hot team stand out there chuckin' wide-open shots.
On O, Kansas either would make 1 pass or no passes, and the player with the ball (usually Graham or Newman) would go one-on-one with the total intent of shooting. There was no drive-and-kick, no dribble handoffs, no pick-and-rolls, no nuthin'. Very disappointing to watch.
And I'm a Bill Self fan. Good guy, sensational recruiter, not a bad coach. But that really sucked.
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Honestly, I think it all comes down to Nova. If Nova is on, they win. If Nova and Michigan are both off, Nova wins. If Nova is off and Michigan is on, the Wolverines have a chance.
Agreed. Nova's "A" game is better than anyone else's - by more than a little. If they shoot it well they should win.
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Agreed. Nova's "A" game is better than anyone else's - by more than a little. If they shoot it well they should win.
Yep - easy win if they play their game.
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I just looked at Nova’s roster, and noticed that of their main 6 players (Brunson, Bridges, Booth, Paschall, Spellman, DiVincenzo), Brunson is the only one who did not take a red shirt year. That speaks volumes. Has that always been Jay Wright’s MO, or a more recent development? How do we convince more guys to invest the time?
Well Booth and DiVicenzo both had injuries that lead to their redshirts, Paschall was a transfer, and Spellman had a clearinghouse/academic issue.
Bridges was the only voluntary redshirt. That worked out well. The rest are circumstantial; not any kind of trend.
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I just looked at Nova’s roster, and noticed that of their main 6 players (Brunson, Bridges, Booth, Paschall, Spellman, DiVincenzo), Brunson is the only one who did not take a red shirt year. That speaks volumes. Has that always been Jay Wright’s MO, or a more recent development? How do we convince more guys to invest the time?
Well, 4/5 were mandatory redshirts (transfer, injury x2, academically ineligible). Only Bridges was a "voluntary" redshirt. So Wojo has convinced twice as many guys as Wright to redshirt!
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If Michigan plays great they could give Nova a game, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see another 20 point blowout. Michigan has faced maybe the easiest road in modern NCAA history to a title game. They haven't played a top-5 seed the entire tournament. Playing in the Big Ten likely didn't prepare them for a team like this either. Beilein and Yaklich have done a great coaching job, and Michigan is much better at challenging shots than Kansas, but Michigan has gone from playing JV games to varsity.
I just don't see how Michigan is prepared for this. They played the softest road possible to get here, played in a diluted Big Ten, and have only played one high seed outside their own league (UNC curbstomped them by 15).
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Nova shooting 45% from long distance is incredible, although not unprecedented or totally unexpected. But they also scorched Kansas by hitting an unbelievable 72% on 2-pointers. 72 percent. Ran the Jayhawks out of the gym pretty much from the tip-off.
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Highlight of the night - post game at an establishment on the river walk. 2 Syracuse clad fellows walked passed a group of nova supporters, who immediately started a “new big east” chant. Delightful. Go Nova. Go BE. (And sorry to see LU lose, but not sorry about making MI work).
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That was a heckuva press break. Wish we could do that once of twice.
Just be patient. Several here have pointed out that Wojo and Wright were about equal 4 tears in. So we will be at the lofty heights of Wright/Villanova very soon. We just must be patient. After all, Wright has many more resources than Wojo.
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They could return everyone, barring NBA early entrants.
BTW. Villanova has already 3 top 50 guys coming in next year, so there could be some more redshirts.
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Villanova has it going on. Wright has built a heck of a program, one that is a model of what any Big East program, not just Marquette, should aspire to. He didn't do it in 4 years. I don't know if Wojo is the one to take Marquette to those heights. I have doubts, but I have seen flashes. I do know that 4 years in, Villanova didn't know what Jay Wright would turn out to be. I hope Wojo is taking notes. I hope he can figure out how to take what he learned at Duke and incorporate what Villanova does. Because Villanova isn't going anywhere.
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Just be patient. Several here have pointed out that Wojo and Wright were about equal 4 tears in. So we will be at the lofty heights of Wright/Villanova very soon. We just must be patient. After all, Wright has many more resources than Wojo.
You're right, Willie. This false syllogism - Wojo had a mediocre first 4 years, Wright had a mediocre first 4 years, ergo Wojo =Wright - is, at this point, a Scoop pipe dream. Tons of coaches have mediocre first four years. Most turn out to have mediocre careers. Those who turn out to be Jay Wrights are winning lottery tickets - so possible, but unrelated and highly unlikely.
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You're right, Willie. This false syllogism - Wojo had a mediocre first 4 years, Wright had a mediocre first 4 years, ergo Wojo =Wright - is, at this point, a Scoop pipe dream. Tons of coaches have mediocre first four years. Most turn out to have mediocre careers. Those who turn out to be Jay Wrights are winning lottery tickets - so possible, but unrelated and highly unlikely.
Year 5 will be the litmus test as Jay finished tied for first in the BE. Pending the off season free agent wire, this should be Wojo's best.
Jay had a Top 15 rated offense AND defense in Year 5. Wojo has the O down pat. He has to get the D there or his PPT plan will hit the shredder.
Jay's real genius is that he has both offenses and defenses that can adapt to any style of play. He does this via building team energy and continuous attention to detail.
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What is the Nova equivalent of Scoop?
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The B1G has not won since 2000, the only championship since 1989. The Conference of Champions have flopped since 1997.
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You're right, Willie. This false syllogism - Wojo had a mediocre first 4 years, Wright had a mediocre first 4 years, ergo Wojo =Wright - is, at this point, a Scoop pipe dream. Tons of coaches have mediocre first four years. Most turn out to have mediocre careers. Those who turn out to be Jay Wrights are winning lottery tickets - so possible, but unrelated and highly unlikely.
exactly nobody has said this
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You're right, Willie.
Anytime you start a post like this, you should probably reassess what you are about to say.
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I remember saying to chick when Nova came out with their game face on against us in the BEast tourney. 'These guys are winning it all.' They are a great basketball team. Michigan is going to have to play their best game of the year just to hang in there.
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Wojo had a mediocre first 4 years, Wright had a mediocre first 4 years, ergo Wojo =Wright
Absolutely no one has said that. But you built yourself a lovely strawman to knock down.
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You're right, Willie. This false syllogism - Wojo had a mediocre first 4 years, Wright had a mediocre first 4 years, ergo Wojo =Wright - is, at this point, a Scoop pipe dream. Tons of coaches have mediocre first four years. Most turn out to have mediocre careers. Those who turn out to be Jay Wrights are winning lottery tickets - so possible, but unrelated and highly unlikely.
Except Wright did not have a mediocre first 4 years, especially compared to Wojo. In Wright's fourth year, I believe he was 24-8 with a visit to the Sweet 16. Wojo has not sniffed anywhere near there. So those that espouse to that false narrative are sniffing glue.
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Absolutely no one has said that. But you built yourself a lovely strawman to knock down.
When people here have been critical of Wojo, some Scoopers have used the "Jay Wright (or Al McGuire) didn't set the world on fire his first four years either" meme. They never bring up the hundreds of coaches who started slowly and didn't become legendary.
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You're right, Willie. This false syllogism - Wojo had a mediocre first 4 years, Wright had a mediocre first 4 years, ergo Wojo =Wright - is, at this point, a Scoop pipe dream. Tons of coaches have mediocre first four years. Most turn out to have mediocre careers. Those who turn out to be Jay Wrights are winning lottery tickets - so possible, but unrelated and highly unlikely.
Bingo.
Next year will be the absolute end of the excuse train.
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Bingo.
Next year will be the absolute end of the excuse train.
Assuming no major injury
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Assuming no major injury
Actually, no. Next year is about a full roster and balance, the first under Wojo. Nova overcame the Booth injury, and has seemed to have had a major injury every year.
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Actually, no. Next year is about a full roster and balance, the first under Wojo. Nova overcame the Booth injury, and has seemed to have had a major injury every year.
To each their own, if we lose Hauser or Howard I'm willing to take another bubble season.
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Absolutely no one has said that. But you built yourself a lovely strawman to knock down.
But you are wrong. several have compared Wrights first 4 at Villanova to Wojo. But you are right about something. Those that have used that as an excuse are absolutely grasping at straws, hence the strawman use.
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When people here have been critical of Wojo, some Scoopers have used the "Jay Wright (or Al McGuire) didn't set the world on fire his first four years either" meme. They never bring up the hundreds of coaches who started slowly and didn't become legendary.
C'mon, Lenny ... misrepresentation usually isn't your schtick. Leave that for the Ners, chicos and joyless willies of Scoopdom.
Me (and others) saying that one of the reasons I'm willing to be patient about Wojo is that even many great coaches, such as Jay Wright, did not light the world on fire early on in their careers is absolutely NOT the same as "Wojo had a mediocre first 4 years, Wright had a mediocre first 4 years, ergo Wojo =Wright." And you are smart enough to know it.
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I made a comment that was meant to be a compliment to Villanova's press break because I believe the only way to truly break a press is to make the pressing team PAY for pressing by scoring easy baskets. I'm so sorry I added the MU throwaway at the end of it. Yes, WW, I do have patience with Wojo and think all you naysayers are flat out failing to recognize that there are no quick fixes in today's high level D1 basketball world. At least not without twisting the rules like a pretzel or compromising the university's principles. And I would not be happy if we went down that road. So please don't interpret my post as if I want Wojo gone. That's not the case at all. He gets a minimum of 2 more years in my book before his tenure can be judged as going in the right direction or not. If we haven't turned the corner by then you can send me a pledge pin.
And stop hijacking threads about other topics to push your agendas.
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When people here have been critical of Wojo, some Scoopers have used the "Jay Wright (or Al McGuire) didn't set the world on fire his first four years either" meme. They never bring up the hundreds of coaches who started slowly and didn't become legendary.
That means they are saying let us wait and see, even some of the better coaches took 3, 4, 5 years to get it going. Let us have patience. It does not mean they will be as good as those coaches. Not the same thing at all.
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But you are wrong. several have compared Wrights first 4 at Villanova to Wojo. But you are right about something. Those that have used that as an excuse are absolutely grasping at straws, hence the strawman use.
Comparing someone's first 4 years doesn't mean the next 4 will be the same. From my reading I only see people here saying to have some patience. You are falsely equivocating that people are predicting Wojo will end up like the others. No one has said that unless you can find someone that said Wojo will end up like Bennett or Wright. It isn't here as no one has made that comparison.
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Assuming no major injury
Wojo has had a hell of a run of luck so far in that we have had, just one game missed by a key player, Markus, this year, in his 4-years as head coach. We’ve yet to gave any injury adversity, and the results have been what they’ve been.
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Wojo has had a hell of a run of luck so far in that we have had, just one game missed by a key player, Markus, this year, in his 4-years as head coach. We’ve yet to gave any injury adversity, and the results have been what they’ve been.
Hmm...Greg and Sam just had surgery...so I'd say there was some injury adversity this year...just because they didn't miss games doesn't mean there wasn't adversity.
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Hmm...Greg and Sam just had surgery...so I'd say their was some injury adversity this year...just because they didn't miss games doesn't mean there wasn't adversity.
Oh, that's crazy talk.
We didn't have 4 guys miss significant playing time = Wojo is the worst coach ever.
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Hmm...Greg and Sam just had surgery...so I'd say there was some injury adversity this year...just because they didn't miss games doesn't mean there wasn't adversity.
Well...I’d agree Sam during NIT was limited. Prior to that he was averaging about 36 minutes a game and producing at a high level. Greg turned in a solid freshman campaign and didn’t miss a game.
But..if we need to reach and say Wojo had to coach up the squad this year to overcome the injuries to Sam and Greg, well, just yet another incredibly low bar of expectation set.
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Well...I’d agree Sam during NIT was limited. Prior to that he was averaging about 36 minutes a game and producing at a high level. Greg turned in a solid freshman campaign and didn’t miss a game.
Sam’s hip bothered him in a number of games as John Dodds pointed out since January. It was very noticeable in the game at DePaul. As for Greg, the splint on his left hand really affected his handle as he effectively became one-handed for dribbling.
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When people here have been critical of Wojo, some Scoopers have used the "Jay Wright (or Al McGuire) didn't set the world on fire his first four years either" meme. They never bring up the hundreds of coaches who started slowly and didn't become legendary.
Because the only point they are making is that Wojo could work out, not that he will. This argument is used against those who have declared that Wojo will definitively not work out.
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When people here have been critical of Wojo, some Scoopers have used the "Jay Wright (or Al McGuire) didn't set the world on fire his first four years either" meme.
Which is light-years different than anyone saying Wojo = Wright.
It is also comparing Wright's 8th-11th years as a head coach, to Wojo's 1st-4th. I don't see anyone saying Wojo = Wright, only that Wright would have been fired by the Scoop critics after going 51-63 in his first four years as a coach.
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Well...I’d agree Sam during NIT was limited. Prior to that he was averaging about 36 minutes a game and producing at a high level. Greg turned in a solid freshman campaign and didn’t miss a game.
But..if we need to reach and say Wojo had to coach up the squad this year to overcome the injuries to Sam and Greg, well, just yet another incredibly low bar of expectation set.
We didn't set the expectation. KenPom, your most trusted website did. He looked at our roster preseason and said "50th best team in the country." We finished 55th, despite Sam and Greg nursing injuries all season and Haanif transferring a few games in. So while Wojo didn't set the world on fire, I'd say he met expectations.
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We didn't set the expectation. KenPom, your most trusted website did. He looked at our roster preseason and said "50th best team in the country." We finished 55th, despite Sam and Greg nursing injuries all season and Haanif transferring a few games in. So while Wojo didn't set the world on fire, I'd say he met expectations.
And I suspect KenPom would have had us lower than 55 if he knew that Haanif was transferring after only a few games. His experience and defense would have helped this team a great deal.
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Because the only point they are making is that Wojo could work out, not that he will. This argument is used against those who have declared that Wojo will definitively not work out.
Certainly Clear to See.
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We didn't set the expectation. KenPom, your most trusted website did.
It's only his most trusted website when the data agrees with him.
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Man, the refs in this replay of the 1977 NCAA final are terrible
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I would like to see Nova beat Michigan by 30+, Michigan’s defense is overrated cause they’ve been playing crappy big ten teams all year and probably the easiest road to the title game any team has ever faced
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I would like to see Nova beat Michigan by 30+, Michigan’s defense is overrated cause they’ve been playing crappy big ten teams all year and probably the easiest road to the title game any team has ever faced
No kidding. The highest seed they have played is a #6 all of the way to the Final. Has that ever happened?
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No kidding. The highest seed they have played is a #6 all of the way to the Final. Has that ever happened?
Not quite as easy, but Gonzaga played a 16, 8, 4, 11, and 7 to make it to the title game just last season.
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Maybe Wojo could get da lady ND baller woo one both FF4 games ta transfer back home, hey?
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Which is light-years different than anyone saying Wojo = Wright.
It is also comparing Wright's 8th-11th years as a head coach, to Wojo's 1st-4th. I don't see anyone saying Wojo = Wright, only that Wright would have been fired by the Scoop critics after going 51-63 in his first four years as a coach.
Wh r re the hell are you getting that t record from it I'd bogus.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Wright_(basketball)
You may want to check his first 4 years at Hofstra.
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Wh r re the hell are you getting that t record from it I'd bogus.
"I'd bogus" might the most accurate thing you've ever posted.
There is this thing called the internet. It's where you can look up, like, facts and stuff. You should try it some time Mazos.
He made the Final Four his 15th year as head coach. He won the NC in his 22nd year as head coach.
1994-95
Hofstra NAC 28 10 18
1995-96
Hofstra NAC 27 9 18
1996-97
Hofstra AEC 27 12 15
1997-98
Hofstra AEC 31 19 12
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C'mon, Lenny ... misrepresentation usually isn't your schtick. Leave that for the Ners, chicos and joyless willies of Scoopdom.
Me (and others) saying that one of the reasons I'm willing to be patient about Wojo is that even many great coaches, such as Jay Wright, did not light the world on fire early on in their careers is absolutely NOT the same as "Wojo had a mediocre first 4 years, Wright had a mediocre first 4 years, ergo Wojo =Wright." And you are smart enough to know it.
Speaking of things that "are absolutely NOT the same as", Mike, saying that our defense under Wojo is sub par is NOT the same as accusing Wojo of being the worst coach in the history of basketball. Perhaps hyperbole sometimes begets hyperbole.
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Speaking of things that "are absolutely NOT the same as", Mike, saying that our defense under Wojo is sub par is NOT the same as accusing Wojo of being the worst coach in the history of basketball. Perhaps hyperbole sometimes begets hyperbole.
I was joking.
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I very much enjoyed what I saw of the Women's Final Four, which was about the last 10 mins of regulation and OT of the ND-UConn game, and the 4th quarter of the championship game.
A lot of very talented, well-coached, extremely hard-working basketball players.
I didn't want ND to win - I never do - but you have to appreciate how hard they fought for the 2 wins. And the player who made the winning shots in both games, Arike Ogunbowale ... wow! If a guy had done that in both the semis and the final of the men's tournament, he'd go down in history as the greatest clutch performer in college basketball history.
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I very much enjoyed what I saw of the Women's Final Four, which was about the last 10 mins of regulation and OT of the ND-UConn game, and the 4th quarter of the championship game.
A lot of very talented, well-coached, extremely hard-working basketball players.
I didn't want ND to win - I never do - but you have to appreciate how hard they fought for the 2 wins. And the player who made the winning shots in both games, Arike Ogunbowale ... wow! If a guy had done that in both the semis and the final of the men's tournament, he'd go down in history as the greatest clutch performer in college basketball history.
Fun fact - Arike is a Milwaukee gal - went to DSHA.
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"I'd bogus" might the most accurate thing you've ever posted.
There is this thing called the internet. It's where you can look up, like, facts and stuff. You should try it some time Mazos.
He made the Final Four his 15th year as head coach. He won the NC in his 22nd year as head coach.
1994-95
Hofstra NAC 28 10 18
1995-96
Hofstra NAC 27 9 18
1996-97
Hofstra AEC 27 12 15
1997-98
Hofstra AEC 31 19 12
Mazos? Is wee willie a frequenter of the beaches of mazomanie?
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Fun fact - Arike is a Milwaukee gal - went to DSHA.
Her cousin was also a local McDonald's All American. Dominican star Diamond Stone.
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Her cousin was also a local McDonald's All American. Dominican star Diamond Stone.
Her brother played football at Wisconsin.
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Her cousin was also a local McDonald's All American. Dominican star Diamond Stone.
Well, hopefully Diamond now will be bragging that he is Arike's cousin!
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I was joking.
Joking while making a point. As was I.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Wright_(basketball)
You may want to check his first 4 years at Hofstra.
Oh so now it is hofstra. Amazing how people come up with records from VI'll a nova for first 4 years and then switch to hofstra.
Scoop is sure full of opinions on all things Wojo.
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Willie, facts are facts. Bitch all you want. I don't know if Wojo is the man yet. But I don't know he is NOT the man, either. The facts are that his record for his first four years is better than Wright's record in his first four years as a head coach and comparable to his first four years at Villanova. Wright now, Jay is in the discussion for best current college coach. Wojo is light years from that.
The question is, can Wojo get there? Or even near there? Can Wojo make MU a perennial contender? I'm not sold yet. But I am not despairing either.
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We didn't set the expectation. KenPom, your most trusted website did. He looked at our roster preseason and said "50th best team in the country." We finished 55th, despite Sam and Greg nursing injuries all season and Haanif transferring a few games in. So while Wojo didn't set the world on fire, I'd say he met expectations.
...and still did not make the NCAAs.
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...and still did not make the NCAAs.
Yes... And? No one expected us to this season other then our own fans
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jay-wright-somehow-made-villanova-class-college-hoops-014443753.html
Hey, Willie, after his first 3 years at Hofstra, Jay and company were making jokes about their future after getting fired by Hofstra. Other coaches were negative recruiting him over his inevitable firing.
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Joking while making a point. As was I.
That's cool, Lenny. I did not take yours as a joke. Usually, I'm pretty good at detecting sarcasm, humor, etc, and I didn't get that from your post. But it wouldn't be the first time something went over my bald head.
For the record, and I'm only talking for myself and not others (though others might share this thought process), all I have ever said is that Wojo wouldn't be the first guy to get off to a less-than-stellar start to his career and then go on to be an outstanding coach.
And yes, pointing out the MANY others in that realm - like Wright, K, Lute Olson, Eddie Sutton, etc, etc, etc - is a way of justifying my argument, I freely admit that. I don't blame those who think the opposite for using immediately successful coaches to support their stances, either.
I actually agree exactly with what tower just said. I don't know know if Wojo will ever get there, but I also do not know that Wojo will not ever get there. Those who claim they know - that it is a "fact" that Wojo will never be a good coach - do not know the difference between fact and opinion. I am NOT saying this is you, Lenny.
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Fun fact - Arike is a Milwaukee gal - went to DSHA.
Not only did she go there, she absolutely dominated there.
Watched in state tournament—she had 55 in semis and about 30 in championship.
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Not only did she go there, she absolutely dominated there.
Watched in state tournament—she had 55 in semis and about 30 in championship.
Did Marquette recruit her? I'd like to think so, but I don't know very much about our women's program.
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Did Marquette recruit her? I'd like to think so, but I don't know very much about our women's program.
I'm sure they did. Everyone did. She was a top 10 prospect.
She even gave UW the "top five" treatment but I doubt ever seriously considered it. She also excluded UConn from her final five which caused Geno to be a bit of a dick about it on Twitter.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/jay-wright-somehow-made-villanova-class-college-hoops-014443753.html
Hey, Willie, after his first 3 years at Hofstra, Jay and company were making jokes about their future after getting fired by Hofstra. Other coaches were negative recruiting him over his inevitable firing.
Your point? Please be muse us with that.
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I'm sure they did. Everyone did. She was a top 10 prospect.
She even gave UW the "top five" treatment but I doubt ever seriously considered it. She also excluded UConn from her final five which caused Geno to be a bit of a dick about it on Twitter.
Heard she couldn't get admitted to UW.
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Nova's cheerleaders are talented.
Good luck to Legs and family tonight, Legs, you sportin' some blue and gold tonight?
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GO B E!
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seems like it's becoming more and more common to grease your poles just in case ya win the big one, eyn'AHHHHH
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/23004988/villanova-greases-utility-poles-preparation-ncaa-title-game
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Wagner guving Nova problems early
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Wagner guving Nova problems early
The big guy is gassed, though.
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Length on D against Nova
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And Michigan taking advantage of mismatches. Looks like is going to be a tough game for Nova
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And Michigan taking advantage of mismatches. Looks like is going to be a tough game for Nova
Brunson has the lane if he wants it like vs. MU. He started out that way.
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How did Madison & MU not get Poole.
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Michigan came ready
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Nova dialing it in on D now
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Nova with a bad shooting night so far
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One 3 goes, the floodgates will open...
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I love Jalen Brunson. But I'll love him even more if he declares after this year.
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How did Madison & MU not get Poole.
Michigan was his dream school. Some kids want to go away for college.
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Time for a big Nova run...
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Lol Rowsey range
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Thank god DiVencenzo is a senior...right?
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Can DiVincenzo declare as well while we're at it?
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Thank god DiVencenzo is a senior...right?
Italian power. Brunson having a bad game so far
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How did Madison & MU not get Poole.
Because he wanted to go to Michigan..........it happens like that sometimes
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Brunson with a little hero ball
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Italian power. Brunson having a bad game so far
Bridges playing poorly, too. They will straighten it out.
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What is it tonight....vino rojo here
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Thank god DiVencenzo is a senior...right?
Ah no.......redshirt Sophmore
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Michigan was his dream school. Some kids want to go away for college.
Because he wanted to go to Michigan..........it happens like that sometimes
Geez guys are we a little sensitive these days. Just curious how two decent programs couldn’t keep him home...asked and answered
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What is it tonight....vino rojo here
Smidge of bourbon. Got to get up early tomorrow and shovel 6-10 inches.
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Ginger Mamba
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That was the first really weak foul call on the screen
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Geez guys are we a little sensitive these days. Just curious how two decent programs couldn’t keep him home...asked and answered
There were articles on Scout where Poole said Michigan was his dream school.
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What is it tonight....vino rojo here
Wittekerke
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Smidge of bourbon. Got to get up early tomorrow and shovel 6-10 inches.
Nothing to shovel here
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Ok Brunson
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Ok Brunson
Just like that VU a strong lead
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Nova struggling there way to a 9 point lead against a team that has won 14 games in a row.......Amazing
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I want to say something nice about Nova's defense but it will come across as a cut on my alma mater so I won't say it
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Michigan traps the point guard with their big. Their weak side wing slides to the middle nicely. D looks him off, causing a step to the corner. D whips the pass to a now wide open Spellman. Dunk. Stupid high pick and roll defense.
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Nothing to shovel here
Ha. We talked to jr. on Easter. It was 30 something here. He was going to the beach.
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Nova has Bridges guarding the ball handler. 6'7. The pick comes, Paschall /Spellman step up to stop the guard. Bridges at 6'7 slides with Wagner. Size and big guards.
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Does f-ing Vagner’s father have the portable cam or what?
They broke from live action to show him on the GD bench! It’s like the horrible olympics where it’s all up close and personal, and once you have a slant, just kill it forever. Christ, follow the game as it develops and plays out!
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They said in the first half that Brunson would graduate. Maybe we could convince him to come to MKE and take another team to the F4 instead of taking the pittance that the NBA pays to first round choices.
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Smidge of bourbon. Got to get up early tomorrow and shovel 6-10 inches.
MN sucks
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I would suggest watching the Nova team cast but it's like they are going out of their way to be ultimate homers, not simply announcing with a nova slant. I'm not convinced they believe some of the stuff they are saying.
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Does f-ing Vagner’s father have the portable cam or what?
They broke from live action to show him on the GD bench! It’s like the horrible olympics where it’s all up close and personal, and once you have a slant, just kill it forever. Christ, follow the game as it develops and plays out!
Val's sitting over Jay's shoulder, hoping for a Commish bonus for another NC.
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Ha. We talked to jr. on Easter. It was 30 something here. He was going to the beach.
Yo, tell him to contact me!
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I would suggest watching the Nova team cast but it's like they are going out of their way to be ultimate homers, not simply announcing with a nova slant. I'm not convinced they believe some of the stuff they are saying.
Well, even Nova homers should know it's a Big East sacrilege to pass on the Raf.
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Tgat is what Michigan needs to do
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Nova goooo
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MN sucks
It will tomorrow. I may need to commute at happy hour.
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Mayday emergency
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Well, even Nova homers should know it's a Big East sacrilege to pass on the Raf.
Had to mix it up when Michigan was pulling away...you're welcome!
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Had to mix it up when Michigan was pulling away...you're welcome!
So
Many
Weapons
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Fts no matta
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They are in Wagner's head. Sweep the leg!!!!
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Spellman with 3 is bad
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How is that a tech on Spellman though?
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How is that a tech on Spellman though?
He came to talk teash
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LOL
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So "a little mo mo" is a good thing correct?
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Refs blowing whistles like crazy, that’s ten fouls in five minutes. Gonna be a free throw contest.
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Was it Gottlieb that said Nova wouldnt finish top 4 in the big 12? Man that guy is such a clown.
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Refs blowing whistles like crazy, that’s ten fouls in five minutes. Gonna be a free throw contest.
Fts no matta, hey
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Refs blowing whistles like crazy, that’s ten fouls in five minutes. Gonna be a free throw contest.
Then Nova will win.
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Was it Gottlieb that said Nova wouldnt finish top 4 in the big 12? Man that guy is such a clown.
Yep
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Was it Gottlieb that said Nova wouldnt finish top 4 in the big 12? Man that guy is such a clown.
Wonder what his credit score is?
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Then Nova will win.
That might be Nova's best strategy with the way Michigan is shooting fts
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Why is Booth trying to play hero ball from three?
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4 on Brunson
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4 on Brunson. Fouls matta
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Why is Booth trying to play hero ball from three?
Agreed. Why is he shooting?
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Only a soph we are screwed
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Terrible pass
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Ginger = Rowdey today
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4 on Brunson. Fouls matta
Nah. DiVincenzo’s got this.
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Ginger = Rowdey today
Wow!
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Only a soph we are screwed
I'm rooting for him tonight 100%. I will starting disliking him about May 1
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He may end up better than JJ Redick
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Ginger = Rowdey today
Ginger = Rowdy a lot of days.
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Ginger = Rowdey today
Unconscious
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Go pro, Dante
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We will hate him like Macura.
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Go pro, Dante
And take the starting five with you.
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Ginger = Rowdy a lot of days.
But today he has completely taken over Nova's offense
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DiV on fire and those two threes should do it. Just big set of balls shots. Wow....
Just like Gerry McNamara from Cuse hate for the kid gonna start.
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Dumb foul
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Brunson Pascall 4 fouls no bueno
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Fts no matta
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Fouls matta. Huge foul trouble for Nova.
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Pretty amazing Final Four, with Bridges off a step both games and Brunson in foul trouble tonight.
#nomatta
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BS foul
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Refs trying to get camera time.
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LOL
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Timely 3 by Bridges!
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Espanol esta noche?
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Meter un tenedor en Michigan!
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3 subs in the game. No matta
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Gillespie looks way too much like Arcidiacono for my liking...Hopefully he isn't nearly as successful as him.
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Meter un tenedor en Michigan!
Very good
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Wasn't Michigan the hot team??
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Bridges is like Jimmy Butler. Seems like he's having a quiet game then you look up and he has 19.
Plus he's a great defender, like Jimmy.
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Big East! ;D
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And there’s the bad Dante
Guy is the worst passing guard I’ve ever seen
But boy can he fill it up
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Fire Beilein, hey? Embarrassing loss!!
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Michigan scored a lot for a big 10 team 62😂😂😂
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Can we find a Divencenzo, not even top 100.
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Are we sure Robinson isn't actually a Badger rather than a Wolverine? He looks like a Badger to me
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And there’s the bad Dante
Guy is the worst passing guard I’ve ever seen
Really? Ever? You need to watch a little more basketball.
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Michigan scored a lot for a big 10 team 62😂😂😂
Played like a 5th place Maui team, hey?
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Really? Ever? You need to watch a little more basketball.
PG just forgot where he was for a moment and thought he was watching Marquette play.
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Sweet...I made the top 400k in ESPNs bracket contest with that win!!
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Love seeing the Big 10 getting dusted!!!
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Love seeing the Big 10 getting dusted!!!
Dusted? They got dragged through a mud sht pile
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Really? Ever? You need to watch a little more basketball.
Nova fans will tell you similar
Or watch the WVU game
Kid can ball. But passing he cannot
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Sweet...I made the top 400k in ESPNs bracket contest with that win!!
I ended up in the 5th percentile. Meaning only better than the joke brackets that put all the 16 seeds in the Final Four.
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Sweet...I made the top 400k in ESPNs bracket contest with that win!!
Actually, that ain't bad. Probably top 8%.
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Actually, that ain't bad. Probably top 8%.
I think I was in ~890k place before Nova won, but I may not have checked after the semis
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Is Jim Nance drunk or aging badly? Or both?
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Nova fans will tell you similar
Or watch the WVU game
Kid can ball. But passing he cannot
Yep, some say he is the Worst Passer EVER. In the 100-year history of basketball, there NEVER has been a worse passer! Who knew?
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Is Jim Nance drunk or aging badly? Or both?
He sounded older than Raft tonight....
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I think Wagner set the record for most cameos in the One Shining Moment. Also, more Loyola and Michigan shots than Nova shots.
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Trying not to read into body language in the height of emotion after the game, but DiVencenzo and Brunson looked like guys who played their last college basketball game. Already assumed that Bridges was gone.
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Wagner had a great start, got so tired he had to take himself out of the game and then never pissed another drop.
Very disappointing game for him.
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Wagner had a great start, got so tired he had to take himself out of the game and then never pissed another drop.
Very disappointing game for him.
I've watched a handful of Michigan games since he started there and I never saw him play a good game besides Loyola one on Saturday. Not sure if I just happened upon off days, or if he is ridiculously overhyped.
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Trying not to read into body language in the height of emotion after the game, but DiVencenzo and Brunson looked like guys who played their last college basketball game. Already assumed that Bridges was gone.
You know, some folks' knee-jerk reaction to DiVincenzo going pro might be "no effen way," but the kid is an excellent athlete with outstanding range, a good handle, good defensive ability, good size.
Gordon Haywardish. A better pro prospect than Vander ever was, IMHO.
He'd be another one who'd be smart to see up close what the NBA thinks of him.
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Trying not to read into body language in the height of emotion after the game, but DiVencenzo and Brunson looked like guys who played their last college basketball game. Already assumed that Bridges was gone.
Donte didn’t not play his last game at Nova. Brunson and Bridges now that’s a different story.
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Wagner had a great start, got so tired he had to take himself out of the game and then never pissed another drop.
Very disappointing game for him.
The Composer has 14 points and 6 boards. Matthews with just 6 points was far more disappointing. Michigan 3-23 from treyland didn't help the big guy.
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The Composer has 14 points and 6 boards. Matthews with just 4 points was far more disappointing. Michigan 3-23 from treyland didn't help the big guy.
Again, Doc, I acknowledged that Wagner tore it up early. But after his hot start, he disappeared.
Plenty of disappointing Wolverines to go around, though.
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Donte didn’t not play his last game at Nova. Brunson and Bridges now that’s a different story.
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Where did Villanova and Michigan games appear this season?
FOX / FS1 / BTN - 43 games
ESPN / ESPN2 / ESPNU - 17 games
CBS / CBSSN - 12 games
TBS / TNT - 10 games
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You know, some folks' knee-jerk reaction to DiVincenzo going pro might be "no effen way," but the kid is an excellent athlete with outstanding range, a good handle, good defensive ability, good size.
Gordon Haywardish. A better pro prospect than Vander ever was, IMHO.
He'd be another one who'd be smart to see up close what the NBA thinks of him.
The "no effen way" crowd have never seen him play or don't know what they're watching. His handle isn't great but he's a very, very good athlete who's fearless and has unlimited range. Kid's legit. Haanif Chatham, though? WTF is up with that?
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Can we find a Divencenzo, not even top 100.
The Michael Jordan of Delaware. Rating guys don't get to Delaware much.
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The Michael Jordan of Delaware. Rating guys don't get to Delaware much.
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Ratings sucked for last night's game:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-march-madness-ends-a-low-note-ncaa-1099242
The Turner suite of channels led Monday night with its coverage of NCAA Championship basketball — but the big game is pacing for an all-time low.
TBS', TNT's and Tru's shared coverage of Villanova's decisive win over the University of Michigan sunk 29 percent from the comparable 2017 game with an all-time low overnight 10.3 rating among households. That capped off a particularly modest run for March Madness. (Final numbers for the game will arrive later Tuesday.)
It was still the biggest thing on TV on Monday night, no doubt contributing to the season low for ABC's American Idol. The singing show was down to a 1.4 rating among adults 18-49 and 7.1 million viewers, losing to The Voice by a solid half-point in the key demo. The Voice led broadcast with a 1.9 rating in the demo and 9.9 million viewers.
CBS and Fox both took a pass on airing originals against basketball, but NBC and ABC both put out original dramas at 10 o'clock. The latest episode of NBC's Good Girls held a 0.9 rating in the key demo, while ABC newcomer The Crossing had a slow start with a 1.0 rating among adults 18-49 and 5.5 million viewers. It did win the hour, at least on the Big Four.
Add this to the fact that NASCAR ratings have been in the dump for years, and we see how this isn't just an "NFL problem."
I'm no expert, but I wonder how they even count people who stream stuff.
I enjoyed the NCAA tournament, but the Final Four was a dud competitively. The women's FF was incredible, in comparison.
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I'm no expert, but I wonder how they even count people who stream stuff.
Nielsen at least counts hulu live and YouTube tv (presumable DTV now too). I'm guessing they're still missing sling and PlayStation streaming since there's no mention of it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/nielsen-adds-digital-tv-ratings-to-account-for-cord-cutters-2017-7
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Keep in mind in the link that it failed to say the airing was on cable for the second time, an anti-climactic NCAA Tournament final.
Monday’s Villanova-Michigan NCAA Tournament national championship earned a 10.3 overnight rating across TBS, TNT and and down 14% from 2016 on the Turner (TBS) networks (Villanova-UNC: 12.0).
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It probably didn't help that the only question heading into the game was Nova's margin of victory.
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Good points, one and all.
Gooooo: This one did seem easier to predict than so many others of recent vintage. Although my memory does suck, so maybe I felt the exact same in other years. But seriously, I thought 6.5 or 7 points was really, really low given what I considered the difference between the teams.
Wish I had been in Vegas, baby!
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Good points, one and all.
Gooooo: This one did seem easier to predict than so many others of recent vintage. Although my memory does suck, so maybe I felt the exact same in other years. But seriously, I thought 6.5 or 7 points was really, really low given what I considered the difference between the teams.
Wish I had been in Vegas, baby!
Yeah, I was kinda surprised by the spread. I thought it should have been at least double digits.
Mrs. Goooo has a strict no-gambling rule, but I tried to convince her that this was more like an investment than gambling. She didn't buy it.
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the ridiculously late start time couldn't have helped either.
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the ridiculously late start time couldn't have helped either.
It's been that way forever. Not really too much later when ESPN, FS1, CBSSN have game 2 of their doubleheaders during the regular season. The problem is more in the tournament that makes games longer are longer timeouts and 20 minute halftime.
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the ridiculously late start time couldn't have helped either.
Being on cable instead of network TV is one factor. Comparing 2018 to 2016 is more of an apples to apples comparison.
The game becoming a blowout is another factor. The last three title games were much more competitive.
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- Late start, 9:25pm ET
- Game not being on CBS
- Jim Nantz yelling while announcing game, he was very annoying.
- Ratings would have been better with a Duke, Kentucky, UNC, in game.
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It's been the same time start since almost forever.
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It's been the same time start since almost forever.
Then change it to start earlier. when kids can't watch the game because it starts at 8:30 on a school night, that's a problem for 1) not attracting kids 2) parents who have to put their kids to bed.
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Then change it to start earlier. when kids can't watch the game because it starts at 8:30 on a school night, that's a problem for 1) not attracting kids 2) parents who have to put their kids to bed.
But will that really help ratings when folks on the west coast are still at work/commuting?
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But will that really help ratings when folks on the west coast are still at work/commuting?
That's what DVRs are for.
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That's what DVRs are for.
Absolutely.
I very much prefer when a MU game starts a little earlier than I can start watching, because it's easy to set the DVR and catch up. I often get to start our 6 pm games at 6:30, and it works great.
For late games, I could always DVR the end of a game for later viewing...but it's a lot less convenient and realistic to try going the whole next day without finding out the score so I can watch the end after work.
As between the two, too early is MUCH more fan friendly than too late....
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I haven't had DVR service since Sept. 1, and it is the one thing I miss since unplugging.
I used to love recording sporting events and then starting to watch them about an hour after tip-off or kickoff or first pitch. I'd gradually catch up and I wouldn't have to watch commercials or halftime. Plus, I could stop for pee breaks, beer runs, etc.
There have been a few other minor irritations, but I admit to enjoying the $$$ savings, and day-to-day non-sports program watching has been fine.
But the no DVR thing has stung. By next Sept. 1, I'm pretty sure we will go back to having some DVR capabilities.
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That's what DVRs are for.
What's a DVR?
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Then change it to start earlier. when kids can't watch the game because it starts at 8:30 on a school night, that's a problem for 1) not attracting kids 2) parents who have to put their kids to bed.
Come on, kids are not going to bed at 8:30pm. So, what did kids do for the past 30 years? I watched it as a kid. Are u saying kids don't watch SNF and MNF or the NBA Finals. All these events end around 10:35PM.
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That's what DVRs are for.
Ya, advertisers will not go for that. Turner/CBS need that money to pay the bills.
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So, what did kids do for the past 30 years? I watched it as a kid. Are u saying kids don't watch SNF and MNF. NBA Finals. All these events end around 10:35PM.
Kids who have to go to bed at 8:30 aren't exactly in the target market either.
And I've never understood the whole "put the kids to bed thing." Get them dressed, read them a book, kiss them good night. 10 minutes max.
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Kids who have to go to bed at 8:30 aren't exactly in the target market either.
And I've never understood the whole "put the kids to bed thing." Get them dressed, read them a book, kiss them good night. 10 minutes max.
What kids are we talking about, a 3 year old. ;D
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Kids who have to go to bed at 8:30 aren't exactly in the target market either.
And I've never understood the whole "put the kids to bed thing." Get them dressed, read them a book, kiss them good night. 10 minutes max.
Good, you'll babysit my 3 monsters this weekend?
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Good, you'll babysit my 3 monsters this weekend?
Nope. I served my time.
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Kids who have to go to bed at 8:30 aren't exactly in the target market either.
And I've never understood the whole "put the kids to bed thing." Get them dressed, read them a book, kiss them good night. 10 minutes max.
But how much time did your wife spend?
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What kid are we talking about, a 3 year old. ;D
The 3 year old is now pushing an hour. Thirsty, have to pee, read a book herself, thirsty, afraid of her room, have to pee, lights on, lights off, where's my stuffed animal?, no not that one, the other one, have to pee, my back is itchy, where's the moon, have to pee.
The 9 year old spends 15 minutes combing his hair and posing in the bathroom before bed. (Same kid spends 0 minutes combing his hair in the morning, and goes to school with bed-head almost every day.) Melatonin took his bed time from 2+ hours to pretty quick now.
The 11 year old is quick to bed, if he's not trying to be the 3rd parent to the other 2.
5:50 am alarms for the kids to get up, eat and leave for school at 7. doesn't allow for late nights watching sports.
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Nope. I served my time.
I was smart, I have dogs!
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But how much time did your wife spend?
About the same. Seriously. I've never understood the problem with getting kids to bed. "Get your butt in bed and stay there" was a phrased uttered more than once.
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About the same. Seriously. I've never understood the problem with getting kids to bed. "Get your butt in bed and stay there" was a phrased uttered more than once.
Your kids were much more obedient than mine. My 4 year old takes 30-60 minutes, depending on how cooperative he is on any particular night.
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Ya, advertisers will not go for that. Turner/CBS need that money to pay the bills.
Then they're gonna be pissed when they find out I didn't watch a single commercial the entire tournament.
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The 3 year old is now pushing an hour. Thirsty, have to pee, read a book herself, thirsty, afraid of her room, have to pee, lights on, lights off, where's my stuffed animal?, no not that one, the other one, have to pee, my back is itchy, where's the moon, have to pee.
The 9 year old spends 15 minutes combing his hair and posing in the bathroom before bed. (Same kid spends 0 minutes combing his hair in the morning, and goes to school with bed-head almost every day.) Melatonin took his bed time from 2+ hours to pretty quick now.
The 11 year old is quick to bed, if he's not trying to be the 3rd parent to the other 2.
5:50 am alarms for the kids to get up, eat and leave for school at 7. doesn't allow for late nights watching sports.
Your kids were much more obedient than mine. My 4 year old takes 30-60 minutes, depending on how cooperative he is on any particular night.
Y'all need to to parent like I used to.
In these situations, my go-to line was: "Don't make me beat you within an inch of your life! Again!"
When they cried, my response would be: "Shaddup or I'll give you something to cry about!"
And my two kids turned out to be great, well-balanced, independent adults.
Except for the serial killer, but the other one turned out mostly OK. Thanks to therapy.
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Then they're gonna be pissed when they find out I didn't watch a single commercial the entire tournament.
I find that hard to believe if you watched all or most of the tournament live.
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My 11 year old likes his 11 hours of sleep, and has since he was two. So, 8 PM on a school night. And the process takes about 10 minutes. Bathroom, teeth, bed, prayer, light off. He feels it when he is under 10 hours 2-3 straight nights. "Do you want to stay up and watch the ball drop in Times Square?" Nah. Go to a sporting event, he races to bed when we get home. Very lucky.
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My 11 year old likes his 11 hours of sleep, and has since he was two. So, 8 PM on a school night. And the process takes about 10 minutes. Bathroom, teeth, bed, prayer, light off. He feels it when he is under 10 hours 2-3 straight nights. "Do you want to stay up and watch the ball drop in Times Square?" Nah. Go to a sporting event, he races to bed when we get home. Very lucky.
Sounds like when my kids were little. Except we were always able to save a minute thanks to our strict no-prayer rule! 8-)
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When did MU82 become funny. LOL ;D ;D
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Sounds like when my kids were little. Except we were always able to save a minute thanks to our strict no-prayer rule! 8-)
Ha!
When my daughter came home after her freshman year of college, she said the words every father longs to hear....."You were right." Sweetie, I was right about so many things, can you be more specific? When she was little, she would ask how she would know she was a grown up. I would respond.... when you want a nap but no one will let you take one. Day-ud. (eye roll). So, she said she must be a grown up because she was exhausted and wanted a nap but didn't have the time. I smiled.
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My 11 year old likes his 11 hours of sleep, and has since he was two. So, 8 PM on a school night. And the process takes about 10 minutes. Bathroom, teeth, bed, prayer, light off. He feels it when he is under 10 hours 2-3 straight nights. "Do you want to stay up and watch the ball drop in Times Square?" Nah. Go to a sporting event, he races to bed when we get home. Very lucky.
He's going to be in for a rough time come high school and college.
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He's going to be in for a rough time come high school and college.
He's just accumulating sleep hours now for use later.
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He's going to be in for a rough time come high school and college.
Statistically speaking, it is likely his sleep patterns will evolve.
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Y'all need to to parent like I used to.
In these situations, my go-to line was: "Don't make me beat you within an inch of your life! Again!"
When they cried, my response would be: "Shaddup or I'll give you something to cry about!"
And my two kids turned out to be great, well-balanced, independent adults.
Except for the serial killer, but the other one turned out mostly OK. Thanks to therapy.
Maybe there's a connection between the Mexico wedding and the serial killing.
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Statistically speaking, it is likely his sleep patterns will evolve.
Scientifically speaking, he will need less sleep as he gets older. 11-hours of sleep is a bit on the long side for his age, but reasonable. The early wake times we impose on children is terrible for their health/fitness/mental abilities.
Sounds like your son has a well-developed and maintained clock.
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The 3 year old is now pushing an hour. Thirsty, have to pee, read a book herself, thirsty, afraid of her room, have to pee, lights on, lights off, where's my stuffed animal?, no not that one, the other one, have to pee, my back is itchy, where's the moon, have to pee.
The 9 year old spends 15 minutes combing his hair and posing in the bathroom before bed. (Same kid spends 0 minutes combing his hair in the morning, and goes to school with bed-head almost every day.) Melatonin took his bed time from 2+ hours to pretty quick now.
The 11 year old is quick to bed, if he's not trying to be the 3rd parent to the other 2.
5:50 am alarms for the kids to get up, eat and leave for school at 7. doesn't allow for late nights watching sports.
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