Final Four Thread

[Floorslapper]

You're right, Willie. This false syllogism - Wojo had a mediocre first 4 years, Wright had a mediocre first 4 years, ergo Wojo =Wright - is, at this point, a Scoop pipe dream. Tons of coaches have mediocre first four years. Most turn out to have mediocre careers. Those who turn out to be Jay Wrights are winning lottery tickets - so possible, but unrelated and highly unlikely.

Bingo.

Next year will be the absolute end of the excuse train. 

[Galway Eagle]

Bingo.

Next year will be the absolute end of the excuse train.

Assuming no major injury

[Dr. Blackheart]

Assuming no major injury

Actually, no.  Next year is about a full roster and balance, the first under Wojo. Nova overcame the Booth injury, and has seemed to have had a major injury every year.

[Galway Eagle]

Actually, no.  Next year is about a full roster and balance, the first under Wojo. Nova overcame the Booth injury, and has seemed to have had a major injury every year.

To each their own, if we lose Hauser or Howard I'm willing to take another bubble season.

[willie warrior]

Absolutely no one has said that.  But you built yourself a lovely strawman to knock down.

But you are wrong. several have compared Wrights first 4 at Villanova to Wojo. But you are right about something. Those that have used that as an excuse are absolutely grasping at straws, hence the strawman use.

[MU82]

When people here have been critical of Wojo, some Scoopers have used the "Jay Wright (or Al McGuire) didn't set the world on fire his first four years either" meme. They never bring up the hundreds of coaches who started slowly and didn't become legendary.

C'mon, Lenny ... misrepresentation usually isn't your schtick. Leave that for the Ners, chicos and joyless willies of Scoopdom.

Me (and others) saying that one of the reasons I'm willing to be patient about Wojo is that even many great coaches, such as Jay Wright, did not light the world on fire early on in their careers is absolutely NOT the same as "Wojo had a mediocre first 4 years, Wright had a mediocre first 4 years, ergo Wojo =Wright." And you are smart enough to know it.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

I made a comment that was meant to be a compliment to Villanova's press break because I believe the only way to truly break a press is to make the pressing team PAY for pressing by scoring easy baskets. I'm so sorry I added the MU throwaway at the end of it. Yes, WW, I do have patience with Wojo and think all you naysayers are flat out failing to recognize that there are no quick fixes in today's high level D1 basketball world. At least not without twisting the rules like a pretzel or compromising the university's principles. And I would not be happy if we went down that road. So please don't interpret my post as if I want Wojo gone. That's not the case at all. He gets a minimum of 2 more years in my book before his tenure can be judged as going in the right direction or not. If we haven't turned the corner by then you can send me a pledge pin.

And stop hijacking threads about other topics to push your agendas.

[WarriorDad]

When people here have been critical of Wojo, some Scoopers have used the "Jay Wright (or Al McGuire) didn't set the world on fire his first four years either" meme. They never bring up the hundreds of coaches who started slowly and didn't become legendary.

That means they are saying let us wait and see, even some of the better coaches took 3, 4, 5 years to get it going. Let us have patience. It does not mean they will be as good as those coaches.  Not the same thing at all. 

[WarriorDad]

But you are wrong. several have compared Wrights first 4 at Villanova to Wojo. But you are right about something. Those that have used that as an excuse are absolutely grasping at straws, hence the strawman use.

Comparing someone's first 4 years doesn't mean the next 4 will be the same.  From my reading I only see people here saying to have some patience.  You are falsely equivocating that people are predicting Wojo will end up like the others.  No one has said that unless you can find someone that said Wojo will end up like Bennett or Wright.  It isn't here as no one has made that comparison.

[Floorslapper]

Assuming no major injury

Wojo has had a hell of a run of luck so far in that we have had, just one game missed by a key player, Markus, this year, in his 4-years as head coach. We've yet to gave any injury adversity, and the results have been what they've been.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Wojo has had a hell of a run of luck so far in that we have had, just one game missed by a key player, Markus, this year, in his 4-years as head coach. We've yet to gave any injury adversity, and the results have been what they've been.

Hmm...Greg and Sam just had surgery...so I'd say there was some injury adversity this year...just because they didn't miss games doesn't mean there wasn't adversity.

[MU82]

Hmm...Greg and Sam just had surgery...so I'd say their was some injury adversity this year...just because they didn't miss games doesn't mean there wasn't adversity.

Oh, that's crazy talk.

We didn't have 4 guys miss significant playing time = Wojo is the worst coach ever.

[Floorslapper]

Hmm...Greg and Sam just had surgery...so I'd say there was some injury adversity this year...just because they didn't miss games doesn't mean there wasn't adversity.

Well...I'd agree Sam during NIT was limited. Prior to that he was averaging about 36 minutes a game and producing at a high level. Greg turned in a solid freshman campaign and didn't miss a game.

But..if we need to reach and say Wojo had to coach up the squad this year to overcome the injuries to Sam and Greg, well, just yet another incredibly low bar of expectation set.

[Nukem2]

Well...I'd agree Sam during NIT was limited. Prior to that he was averaging about 36 minutes a game and producing at a high level. Greg turned in a solid freshman campaign and didn't miss a game.

Sam's hip bothered him in a number of games as John Dodds pointed out since January.  It was very noticeable in the game at DePaul. As for Greg, the splint on his left hand really affected his handle as he effectively became one-handed for dribbling.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

When people here have been critical of Wojo, some Scoopers have used the "Jay Wright (or Al McGuire) didn't set the world on fire his first four years either" meme. They never bring up the hundreds of coaches who started slowly and didn't become legendary.

Because the only point they are making is that Wojo could work out, not that he will. This argument is used against those who have declared that Wojo will definitively not work out.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

When people here have been critical of Wojo, some Scoopers have used the "Jay Wright (or Al McGuire) didn't set the world on fire his first four years either" meme.

Which is light-years different than anyone saying Wojo = Wright.

It is also comparing Wright's 8th-11th years as a head coach, to Wojo's 1st-4th.  I don't see anyone saying Wojo = Wright, only that Wright would have been fired by the Scoop critics after going 51-63 in his first four years as a coach.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Well...I'd agree Sam during NIT was limited. Prior to that he was averaging about 36 minutes a game and producing at a high level. Greg turned in a solid freshman campaign and didn't miss a game.

But..if we need to reach and say Wojo had to coach up the squad this year to overcome the injuries to Sam and Greg, well, just yet another incredibly low bar of expectation set.

We didn't set the expectation. KenPom, your most trusted website did. He looked at our roster preseason and said "50th best team in the country." We finished 55th, despite Sam and Greg nursing injuries all season and Haanif transferring a few games in. So while Wojo didn't set the world on fire, I'd say he met expectations.

[GooooMarquette]

We didn't set the expectation. KenPom, your most trusted website did. He looked at our roster preseason and said "50th best team in the country." We finished 55th, despite Sam and Greg nursing injuries all season and Haanif transferring a few games in. So while Wojo didn't set the world on fire, I'd say he met expectations.

And I suspect KenPom would have had us lower than 55 if he knew that Haanif was transferring after only a few games. His experience and defense would have helped this team a great deal.

[Loose Cannon]

Because the only point they are making is that Wojo could work out, not that he will. This argument is used against those who have declared that Wojo will definitively not work out.

Certainly Clear to See.

[GGGG]

We didn't set the expectation. KenPom, your most trusted website did.

It's only his most trusted website when the data agrees with him.

[MUEng92]

Man, the refs in this replay of the 1977 NCAA final are terrible

[Otule's Glass Eye]

I would like to see Nova beat Michigan by 30+, Michigan's defense is overrated cause they've been playing crappy big ten teams all year and probably the easiest road to the title game any team has ever faced

[MarquetteDano]

I would like to see Nova beat Michigan by 30+, Michigan's defense is overrated cause they've been playing crappy big ten teams all year and probably the easiest road to the title game any team has ever faced

No kidding.  The highest seed they have played is a #6 all of the way to the Final.  Has that ever happened?

[wadesworld]

No kidding.  The highest seed they have played is a #6 all of the way to the Final.  Has that ever happened?

Not quite as easy, but Gonzaga played a 16, 8, 4, 11, and 7 to make it to the title game just last season.

[4everwarriors]

Maybe Wojo could get da lady ND baller woo one both FF4 games ta transfer back home, hey?