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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: StillWarriors on April 09, 2016, 09:25:50 PM
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Per Velazquez twitter:
@Matt_Velazquez: Source tells the @journalsentinel that Marquette has secured a commitment from grad transfer Katin Reinhardt, a 6-foot-6 G/F from USC.
Things that make you go hmmmm?
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Eligible immediately, correct?
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Per Velazquez twitter:
@Matt_Velazquez: Source tells the @journalsentinel that Marquette has secured a commitment from grad transfer Katin Reinhardt, a 6-foot-6 G/F from USC.
Things that make you go hmmmm?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usc-katin-reinhardt-transfer-20160328-story.html
Carlino 2.0. Another kid who transfers a lot and is occupying a position we don't need any help at.
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Eligible immediately, correct?
Yes. Would not be surprised now if anim, Wally, or Cohen transfer. Maybe 2 of those 3 are leaving. This one doesn't make much sense otherwise.
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somebody has to be transferring
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I can't remember the last time I hoped someone was transferring/leaving the team. I really hope Wojo knows something we don't, because we really really need a PF.
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I'll welcome a senior who has produced throughout his career any day, regardless of position. You win in the Big East with experienced guys.
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usc-katin-reinhardt-transfer-20160328-story.html
Carlino 2.0. Another kid who transfers a lot and is occupying a position we don't need any help at.
If he's Carlino 2.0, I'm good with it. Without Carlino, we're in single digit wins 2014-15 season.
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Yes. Would not be surprised now if anim, Wally, or Cohen transfer. Maybe 2 of those 3 are leaving. This one doesn't make much sense otherwise.
Well he isn't coming here to come off the bench. #guarddense
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Yes. Would not be surprised now if anim, Wally, or Cohen transfer. Maybe 2 of those 3 are leaving. This one doesn't make much sense otherwise.
These two have been working out with the team all off season so far. Would guess Wally or possibly Duane/JJJ
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We've finally got multiple guys who are serious threats from distance -
Rowsey
Reinhardt
Hauser
Howard
Wilson
Cheatham
I'm happy with this addition.
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What's everyone's obsession with getting a "PF"? Did you all just miss Nova win the national championship?
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HutchwasClutch,
I can't tell if you like this addition or not ;)
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made 60 3's last year and has always shot 3's well. (d. Wilson had 54 to lead MU)
Seems like more of a 2/3 than a 4. 1.1 steals per game as well.
Nice addition, assuming somebody's gone.
Maybe Sandy gets "buzz cut"?
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These two have been working out with the team all off season so far. Would guess Wally or possibly Duane/JJJ
Could be. Although, I seem to recall "seeing them in the gym" as not a good indicator of whether a player is on the team or not next year based on previous situations. I don't think they would just shut it down if they were transferring or buy a membership to a local gym.
Just hope it's not JJ. JJ would have made more sense if he hadn't come on so strong at the end of the year.
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What's everyone's obsession with getting a "PF"? Did you all just miss Nova win the national championship?
Need help on the boards. I would say Nova is more the exception than the rule.
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But seriously...somebody is transferring otherwise Wojo wouldn't have set up an official visit with Kalif Young yesterday
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What's everyone's obsession with getting a "PF"? Did you all just miss Nova win the national championship?
+1000
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Need help on the boards. I would say Nova is more the exception than the rule.
So, only tall guys can rebound? Have your center box out the other center, crash defensive boards with your guards.
All about strategy, as much as anything.
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As long as MU shoots 71% from the field in every game like Nova did in the semifinals they should be fine
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But seriously...somebody is transferring otherwise Wojo wouldn't have set up an official visit with Kalif Young yesterday
Think you'll be proven correct.
I really don't see how Wally fits in anymore next season. I wish it would have worked out better for him at MU, but I think it's just reality now.
And as others have pointed out, it may not just be Wally. But the more I think about it, the more Wally's probable departure just seems too obvious to miss.
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But seriously...somebody is transferring otherwise Wojo wouldn't have set up an official visit with Kalif Young yesterday
This has been hinted at here for the last three weeks
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2014-15: Reinhardt led USC in scoring with 12.5 points per game, while making 22 starts and appearing in 31 games. He also led the Trojans with 61 three-pointers made and in free throw percentage (.815). Reinhardt was third in assists with 54 and fourth in steals with 30
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So, only tall guys can rebound? Have your center box out the other center, crash defensive boards with your guards.
All about strategy, as much as anything.
Of course not but it's silly not to want a 6-8" type who can defend and crash the glass. I realize they don't grow on trees but that type of player would be a very nice addition.
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This has been hinted at here for the last three weeks
And?
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So, only tall guys can rebound? Have your center box out the other center, crash defensive boards with your guards.
All about strategy, as much as anything.
Right, and college basketball has been a guards game for years now. And teams with multiple threats from distance are usually the most dangerous.
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usc-katin-reinhardt-transfer-20160328-story.html
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http://m.ocregister.com/articles/reinhardt-710162-usc-season.html
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This has been hinted at here for the last three weeks
There has been a lot hinted at here in the past.
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Need help on the boards. I would say Nova is more the exception than the rule.
Well, if your not missing shots, there won't be as many offensive rebounds to get. MU needed shooters in a big way. This helps immensely. You get as much talent as you possibly can...that's what wins.
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There has been a lot hinted at here in the past.
Who does the hinting is important variable
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Is he coming to play PG?
Reinhardt wants to be a point guard. He wants to have the ball in his hands. He wants to be a decision-maker, largely because he thinks that’s his ticket to the league.
“[Katin] said that he feels his best opportunity to play in the NBA is to play more minutes at the point guard position,” Rice said. “Katin would have had an opportunity to compete for minutes at the point, but I’ve never guaranteed anyone that they will start or play a certain number of minutes.”
From CBSsports article when he transfered the first time
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Well, if your not missing shots, there won't be as many offensive rebounds to get. MU needed shooters in a big way. This helps immensely. You get as much talent as you possibly can...that's what wins.
I'm not saying they are mutually exclusive. I'd like to have that type of shooting and a big guy to clean the glass. They're are a lot of things that could occur to minimize the impact of the lack of size but in you'd still rather have that type of player if you can. If you don't, the margin for error becomes slimmer.
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It makes no sense for Duane or JJJ to transfer. Duane already used his redshirt so he would completely burn a year and only have one year left and JJJ would be sitting out an entire year just to play one, and he's in a much better position than Teve was.
I think it's Sandy. Deonte was always working out in the AL in the middle of the night right before he left.
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It makes no sense for Duane or JJJ to transfer. Duane already used his redshirt so he would completely burn a year and only have one year left and JJJ would be sitting out an entire year just to play one, and he's in a much better position than Teve was.
I think it's Sandy. Deonte was always working out in the AL in the middle of the night right before he left.
Don't think so. If anyone is leaving its Wally, Big Daddy himself hinted that Wally had a decision to make.
Regardless of who if anyone leaves, we are stacked with talent at the guard position next year and I think we'll be dancing.
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Is he coming to play PG?
Reinhardt wants to be a point guard. He wants to have the ball in his hands. He wants to be a decision-maker, largely because he thinks that’s his ticket to the league.
“[Katin] said that he feels his best opportunity to play in the NBA is to play more minutes at the point guard position,” Rice said. “Katin would have had an opportunity to compete for minutes at the point, but I’ve never guaranteed anyone that they will start or play a certain number of minutes.”
From CBSsports article when he transfered the first time
So how do you think Markus Howard would feel about this? I wonder if it will cause him to reconsider.
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“Everybody thinks I want to be a point guard — that isn’t true. [Former UNLV head coach Dave Rice] just said I would play mainly off the ball, and I am just not comfortable that way,” Reinhardt said three years ago. “I averaged three assists a game because I like to pass and can pass and I need to have the ball in order to create, not just stand in the corner or run off screens. I’m not that type of player.”
Let's all chill on the PG thing...
http://dailytrojan.com/2016/03/29/katin-reinhardt-transfer-usc/ (http://dailytrojan.com/2016/03/29/katin-reinhardt-transfer-usc/)
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Kudos to Velazquez, he scooped everybody on this story. I don't see anyone else tweeting or reporting it as of right now.
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So how do you think Markus Howard would feel about this? I wonder if it will cause him to reconsider.
He won't care...for now anyway. These kids don't throw a fuss until they actually start losing the minutes they are expecting. Seems MU is getting a lot of guys that can play both on and off ball. The only 2 that can't really are carter and JJJ. Lots of lineup possibilities. Should be a fun team if they can add 1 more serviceable big for next year. Better than last year.
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Kudos to Velazquez, he scooped everybody on this story. I don't see anyone else tweeting or reporting it as of right now.
Completely agree with this. Wojo just started following Katin also. Lock solid sources for Matty V
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So how do you think Markus Howard would feel about this? I wonder if it will cause him to reconsider.
Yeah Howard is going to reconsider......it was fun while it lasted.
He never said he wanted to play point guard.....this is the article referenced....and it was after his 1st year at UNLV
http://dailytrojan.com/2016/03/29/katin-reinhardt-transfer-usc/
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We also added our first guy who has ever played in a tournament, no ?
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Yeah Howard is going to reconsider......it was fun while it lasted.
He never said he wanted to play point guard.....this is the article referenced....and it was after his 1st year at UNLV
http://dailytrojan.com/2016/03/29/katin-reinhardt-transfer-usc/
Let's give Wojo credit for some brains for crying out loud (not directed at you MuMark) - he's going to bring in a grad transfer and top 40 freshman the same week and both can only play and/or will only agree to play PG at MU?!?
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We also added our first guy who has ever played in a tournament, no ?
Twice an NCAA participant, kid's a winner.
And a good point you raise.
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Rothstein: Small ball is coming to Milwaukee.
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#5 on ESPN grad transfer list as of couple days ago.
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Gonna be huge competition for minutes on the wing. Will be very interested to see how guys respond to that. Especially Sandy.
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What's everyone's obsession with getting a "PF"? Did you all just miss Nova win the national championship?
Nope. Didn't miss a bit. Didn't miss that 'Nova has a pair of well built guards that can play inside on defense like PFs in Jenkins and Hart. You need guys that are tough and can go get the ball. Reinhardt doesn't seem to fit that bill. If someone surprises on the glass, great, but we'll need to hit 40% from deep as a team to offset our current rebounding questions.
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FWIW there was a Twitter post s few days back by the MU strength coach stating that Sacar has been the "strong man" the past week and in the picture Sacar is fireman carrying Cohen through a gym. Both are at school, both are working out, both are working out with MU staff.
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We also added our first guy who has ever played in a tournament, no ?
Carlino
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Gonna be huge competition for minutes on the wing. Will be very interested to see how guys respond to that. Especially Sandy.
Why especially Sandy?
Wilson, Carter, JJJ, Anim - all better improve over the summer, or any of them could get passed by for minutes next year. None of those have done enough, shown enough, to be guaranteed anything next year.
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Why especially Sandy?
Wilson, Carter, JJJ, Anim - all better improve over the summer, or any of them could get passed by for minutes next year. None of those have done enough, shown enough, to be guaranteed anything next year.
Well JJJ is gonna be our best player so I hope to god he isn't nailed to the bench.
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Well JJJ is gonna be our best player so I hope to god he isn't nailed to the bench.
Disagree - Cheatham or Rowsey are going to be our best next year when it's all said and done. Fischer close behind.
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I will amend some of my initial comments. If Sandy and or Wally is leaving , then I am keen on this this addition, as he will be an upgrade to those two and there will be enough minutes for him.
If they are staying, I think your going to have an unnecessary back court minutes problem. We have plenty of good guards.
We need a thug at Power Forward.
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No insider knowledge but if Velazquez had such lock down sources he sure didn't broach the bsubject of a transfer in this article - even if no one transfers I like it - you want as many guys like this on your team as you can (i.e. Talents with experience)
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We need more competition up front, not on the perimeter. What an unbalanced roster we have in store for us.
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Whoever made this Photoshop that Reinhardt tweeted out should have tried harder:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfptj_qUsAAqQL5?format=pjpg&name=large)
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I guess what I'm saying is as long as you can get your team to play fierce perimeter d and rotate appropriately you don't need many true bigs on your squad - it help us offensively at times yes and you will look terrible if your d isn't up to snuff but it's a shooters game right now and this makes us better in that regard
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Carlino
I thought the same thing but I think punch means KR is the only guy on the team who has been to The Dance
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Nope. Didn't miss a bit. Didn't miss that 'Nova has a pair of well built guards that can play inside on defense like PFs in Jenkins and Hart. You need guys that are tough and can go get the ball. Reinhardt doesn't seem to fit that bill. If someone surprises on the glass, great, but we'll need to hit 40% from deep as a team to offset our current rebounding questions.
So, two juniors? When wojos guys become upper class men, and aren't that developed, I'll start to fret. It's not like those two guys were the "pfs" their freshman year.
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We need more competition up front, not on the perimeter. What an unbalanced roster we have in store for us.
We made 8 straight NCAA's with mostly guard heavy teams.
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Disagree - Cheatham or Rowsey are going to be our best next year when it's all said and done. Fischer close behind.
Cheatam will give him a run if he develops a mid range game.
Otherwise it's JJJ and probably not relatively close.
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OK guys, lets think about this one.
We come off a season where more than half of our roster is basically inexperienced. Our biggest rap is that we're a talented bunch of inexperienced freshmen who make freshmen mistakes.
We recruit a "finished" senior guard who can come in and start for us next year. We thereby get the opportunity to gently bleed Howard into the rotation and we now have at least four guards for a game that arguably is a guard's game.
Not sure what the downside is. Anim is bulking up. Sandy is getting pressure to improve and perform and JJJ and Cheatham are now in the mix with some additional experience.
We also have senior leadership from a guard who can run the team. Not sure what the downside to this is.
Questions?
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OK guys, lets think about this one.
We come off a season where more than half of our roster is basically inexperienced. Our biggest rap is that we're a talented bunch of inexperienced freshmen who make freshmen mistakes.
We recruit a "finished" senior guard who can come in and start for us next year. We thereby get the opportunity to gently bleed Howard into the rotation and we now have at least four guards for a game that arguably is a guard's game.
Not sure what the downside is. Anim is bulking up. Sandy is getting pressure to improve and perform and JJJ and Cheatham are now in the mix with some additional experience.
We also have senior leadership from a guard who can run the team. Not sure what the downside to this is.
Questions?
When will the twins win a game?
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There has been a lot hinted at here in the past.
True. Why one guy even assured us that squirmy shoes would drop shortly after Buzz left. Crickets.
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-usc-katin-reinhardt-transfer-20160328-story.html
Carlino 2.0. Another kid who transfers a lot and is occupying a position we don't need any help at.
Are we really going to do this again? Carlino was the only reason we weren't 2-20.
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These two have been working out with the team all off season so far. Would guess Wally or possibly Duane/JJJ
Duane and JJJ are not transferring. Can we stop with the worlds dumbest rumor.
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This is a solid addition. We need shooters. KR makes us better.
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We need rebounders! We have zero!
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Duane and JJJ are not transferring. Can we stop with the worlds dumbest rumor.
I said my guess would be Wally, but Duane/JJ was possible. Which is factually correct.
Relax
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Carter, Rowsey, Howard, Cheatam, Duane, JJJ, Reinhardt. That's an awful lot of guards to split a finite number of minutes. Someone's not going to be happy, but I like the addition anyway.
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Carter, Rowsey, Howard, Cheatam, Duane, JJJ, Reinhardt. That's an awful lot of guards to split a finite number of minutes. Someone's not going to be happy, but I like the addition anyway.
Cheatham, JJJ, Reinhardt can all play more than just in the backcourt.
Other than Fischer and Heldt at 5, and Carter as PG, as the roster stands now, everyone else can play multiple positions.
Minutes will work itself out, always does.
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So, only tall guys can rebound? Have your center box out the other center, crash defensive boards with your guards.
All about strategy, as much as anything.
Dennis Rodman: 6'7" 215
Katin Reinhardt: 6'6" 215
Like you said it is strategy and heart. Cohen/Reinhardt have the size and intensity to be able to be great rebounders. Now it is about strategy and feel.
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Cheatam will give him a run if he develops a mid range game.
Otherwise it's JJJ and probably not relatively close.
Agreed. We will be playing a 4 out 1 in offense, where the 4 out all play about the same position, the difference will be on the defensive end.
For defense:
I think we see one of Sacar/Sandy/Reinhardt/Hauser in at all times at the 4, with Reinhardt being able to also guard the 1/2/3.
JJJ/Duane/Howard/Cheatham will all be able to guard the 1/2/3. If JJJ adds a bit more bulk, he may be able to help out at the 4 in a pinch.
Rowsey/Carter will be only at the 1.
Competition for minutes will be fierce. We have 10 guys there fighting for 160 minutes.
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Whoever made this Photoshop that Reinhardt tweeted out should have tried harder:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfptj_qUsAAqQL5?format=pjpg&name=large)
Lol that's wally's number.
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Carter, Rowsey, Howard, Cheatam, Duane, JJJ, Reinhardt. That's an awful lot of guards to split a finite number of minutes. Someone's not going to be happy, but I like the addition anyway.
We mare basically going to be playing 4 guards. Even Wally and Hauser can be considered guards.
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Wally is using his last year of track eligibility right now.
He's going to move on and become a professional track athlete. He will also sign with an agent ... in June after the NCAA championships.
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It's a guards and shooters game now. Basketball is changing. A lot of you seem to not understand that. Yes we need rebounders, but even last year we had a bad rebounding team, especially offensively. Can only get better.
Shooters shooters shooters. You need shooters.
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It's a guards and shooters game now. Basketball is changing. A lot of you seem to not understand that. Yes we need rebounders, but even last year we had a bad rebounding team, especially offensively. Can only get better.
Shooters shooters shooters. You need shooters.
If you're shooting threes, the rebounds are long, a 7 footer is not the right guy for that kind of of game.
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Welcome Katin! We are looking forward to seeing what you can accomplish as a Warrior.
For all those worried about rebounding. Remember, we made the tournament as a six seed in 2010 with a team much smaller than this. Work needs to be put in this offseason, but I'm confident that Wojo and crew can develop a strategy and turn Sandy, Katin, Sacar, etc into quality rebounders.
No inside info, but my gut tells me that someone transfers. Wally seems the most likely candidate but it never seems to be the most likely candidate. That opens up space for a Kalif Young or a Dylan Oste...ski. Young would be the preference because he could help us immediately. But a 2017 transfer big would help address a glaring need in the 2017-2018 roster.
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How about Wally as a grad transfer? Two years of school at Minnesota and two years of school at MU ... Has to be close to graduating.
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How about Wally as a grad transfer? Two years of school at Minnesota and two years of school at MU ... Has to be close to graduating.
Wally could be a grad transfer should he so choose.
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#5 on ESPN grad transfer list as of couple days ago.
#5 for all transfers, not just grad transfers. Per espn, he's the second best grad transfer behind Canyon Barry. Personally, I had Rodney Pryor #1, Reinhardt #2, and Barry #3.
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Don't think Wally transfers. He either finishes out with Marquette or he stops playing after track is over.
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Don't think Wally transfers. He either finishes out with Marquette or he stops playing after track is over.
Wally has an indoor track season of eligibility left so it is possible he stays at Marquette so he can graduate and focus on track for an entire year.
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Dennis Rodman: 6'7" 215
Katin Reinhardt: 6'6" 215
Like you said it is strategy and heart. Cohen/Reinhardt have the size and intensity to be able to be great rebounders. Now it is about strategy and feel.
If Reinhardt was a 13-15 DR% guy, I'd be inclined to agree. But his 8.1 DR% was lowest of all qualifying players on USC last year. That was also his career high. There's plenty to like about the kid, but it would be a major statistical outlier for him to suddenly become even marginally effective on the glass.
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remember this team?
Villanova, led by head coach Jay Wright, spent most of the season competing with Duke and Big East rival Connecticut for possession of the top spot in the college basketball rankings. Utilizing a starting lineup that consisted of four guards (seniors Randy Foye and Allan Ray, junior Mike Nardi, and sophomore Kyle Lowry)
they went 28-5/14-2 and to the elite 8 losing to eventual champ florida
i remember crean just pulling his hair out over this and then trying to emulate them somewhat by playing d. james, l mccneal, and then plugging in mo acker or even david cubillon to form his own guard heavy offense. one problem however, foye, ray, niardi and lowry were a notch(or three) better than what we had after james and mcsteal
now you add a 6' 6" GUARD who has experience AND can shoot. this has some interesting ramifications. how about playing large guard offense? sandy is 6'5", katin 6'6", haanif 6"5" and fill-in-the-blank guard plus luke with heldt coming off the bench. then you rotate all the others in/out playing real up tempo for 40 minutes and the other teams will wonder what the hell tornado did they just walk in to EiN'a HEY fellas?
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Foye was an excellent rebounding guard. Marquette would need someone to step up like that. Someone who plays major minutes in the backcourt has to be a factor on the glass.
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While roster turnover seems likely with this latest change, even if it doesn't I think this roster will be outstanding. Katin will be a valuable, experienced asset.
I'm as concerned as anyone about rebounding, but we can do a lot schematically to emphasize rebounding without needing a bulky PF. We just need to be competent rebounding as we should be very good shooting
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I made the mistake of reading this thread before reading Matt V's article (good work outta Matt yet again) and even Katin says he wants to be able to defend every position and score both with and without the ball - something about being used in a lot of different ways. This doesn't sound like a guy who insists like being point.
The other quote that jumped out from Katin was "I'm really excited about the fans out there, too"..........ssshhhhh, he hasn't found Scoop yet.
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I believe that Wojo has complete confidence in Haani to do whatever he asks him to do. Next year it would be to defend the #4 and rebound on defense. His style on offense leads me to believe that he could do it and he appears to have the basketball IQ to be effective in a different role. The team that is coming into focus will have absolutely no problem scoring particularly shooting from outside. There are so many shooters that even if a couple guys are cold we'll always be able to put multiple shooters on the floor.
To me the lesson of Villanova is that an undersized team can beat bigger teams with ball pressure. That is what these guys will have to do. I'd also like to see them run some tight zones to keep Fisher from having to come out on screens. He picks up fouls out there and doesn't recover well. Can't afford that when Heidt is basically the only replacement at the 5. Expect to play a lot of games in the +80 range. Hopefully we can come up with a formula that will be good enough to get us to the tournament. Signing Katin tells me Wojo really is focused making it next year.
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The other quote that jumped out from Katin was "I'm really excited about the fans out there, too"..........ssshhhhh, he hasn't found Scoop yet.
Atleast he didn't say student section. That would be a rude awakening
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made 60 3's last year and has always shot 3's well. (d. Wilson had 54 to lead MU)
Seems like more of a 2/3 than a 4. 1.1 steals per game as well.
Nice addition, assuming somebody's gone.
Maybe Sandy gets "buzz cut"?
If Sandy leaves I suspect it will be because he realizes he cannot play at this level.
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What an excellent addition. Maybe we'll finally be able to start running as a team like Wojo said when he was hired.
We could sub in and out like hockey lines next year!
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To me the lesson of Villanova is that an undersized team can beat bigger teams with ball pressure.
We have a lot of work to do getting stronger and much better defending the perimeter. Hope Todd is being unleashed on our guys.
That being said I applaud the fact we will have a group of experienced guards.
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If Sandy leaves I suspect it will be because he realizes he cannot play at this level.
Was on the roster this morning, perhaps it's a mobile issue but when I clicked on Sandys player profile it was empty. He still shows up on roster though. Is probably nothing, but anyone else have this happen?
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"To me the lesson of Villanova is that an undersized team can beat bigger teams with ball pressure. "
remember our teams with dominic and jerel, wes, lazar, jimmy, a little bit of fulce(when healthy) etc etc
we were lockdown defense-steals steals and MCsteals. opposing players were frustrated as hell. i remember the commentators just raving about our aggressiveness and tenacity
well check out the heights back then-5'11", 6'3", 6'5", 6'6", 6'7", = WINNING!
wojo has a plan-trust the system
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Respect the process, non è?
More to come, I suspect. As of this minute, Wojo will have six scholarship guys on the roster who played major PG minutes in high school or college. They aren't going to be playing PF all of a sudden.
Not only that, Luke has one year to go, and MU needs depth on the front line and balance if Wojo is to implement the long term plan he was primarily hired for. Even now, Hauser is a perimeter player primarily, and Matt is a ways off as most bigs take time to develop. Leaving the foul prone Luke out on an island doesn't seem like a plan to bank on.
Let's see what breaks with the banquet approaching. Wojo likes controlling the message.
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It's a body and one decent and experienced. For a team that has regularly self-imposed scholarship penalties on itself for nothing more than the inability to recruit and retain an entire roster, this is certainly a positive. Good chance Wally moves on, in which case there aren't two spots to fill in a short timeframe.
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Always room for a traditional with ink, ai na?
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Wish he was three inches tall e r.
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Big Daddy didn't mention anything about another guard (Reinhardt) did he?
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BD mentioned someone east-northeast. USC is west. Should we expect someone else to come?
If so, someone else has to be leaving.
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East-NE is Young, or some Canadian player we haven't heard of yet.
I think that right now, Wally is concentrating fully on winning a NC in high jump and qualifying for the Olympic trials. He may not want to say he's moving on while he's still competing for Marquette. Since he's been in school four years, he may be graduating this spring. My gut is that Wally will not transfer to play basketball at another school. If he wants to finish out his basketball eligibility, he'll stay here. But there is a strong possibility that he will move on to concentrate on his "other job."
Perhaps Henry can use some of his shiny new millions to pay Wally's tuition next year, and he can join the team as a walk on.
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I don't know why some want to usher Cohen out the door. He had a disappointing second half of the year but there is a lot to like about his game. If we play small ball it will be Cohen who is asked to rebound the ball more and create mismatches on the offensive end. He showed rebounding moxie by grabbing 7 boards against St. Johns and 9 against X. If Cohen gets stronger, he will excel as an undersized stretch 4.
Having Katin, means that Hauser will play very limited minutes next year and that Wally is leaving. If not Wally, then I expect a surprise major contributor from this past year to leave.
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If y'all think Reinhart, Rowsey, Hauser, and Howard are here to pick splinters out they ass, y'all better think again, ai na?
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BD mentioned someone east-northeast. USC is west. Should we expect someone else to come?
If so, someone else has to be leaving.
This is just like BD's predictions about Lee and Miller last year ... second year in a row that BD's pontification about transfers are way off.
Sorry but that is his track record.
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I think that right now, Wally is concentrating fully on winning a NC in high jump and qualifying for the Olympic trials. He may not want to say he's moving on while he's still competing for Marquette. Since he's been in school four years, he may be graduating this spring. My gut is that Wally will not transfer to play basketball at another school. If he wants to finish out his basketball eligibility, he'll stay here. But there is a strong possibility that he will move on to concentrate on his "other job."
Perhaps Henry can use some of his shiny new millions to pay Wally's tuition next year, and he can join the team as a walk on.
This makes a ton of sense
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Heisey Baby, keep yo tidy whiteys on bro. We ain't done yet, hey?
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This makes a ton of sense
You should make a new post about it.
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If you're shooting threes, the rebounds are long, a 7 footer is not the right guy for that kind of of game.
Yes, but that is on offense. Defensive rebounds are more important, because that means your opponent failed to score. Being good shooters does not help you on the defensive boards.
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Well JJJ is gonna be our best player so I hope to god he isn't nailed to the bench.
I also believe JJJ is going to be our best player.
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You should make a new post about it.
I think he'll have to wait until someone writes an article about it so he can post the entire article.
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I think he'll have to wait until someone writes an article about it so he can post the entire article.
And likely without credit to the original author.
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If y'all think Reinhart, Rowsey, Hauser, and Howard are here to pick splinters out they ass, y'all better think again, ai na?
Yeah, but don't think Haanif, Wilson, JJJ, Carter, Cohen, etc. are here to pick splinters out they ass either, and with that back log, there will be ass splinters to pick, a process that could be called Wojo pickin' ai naw?
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Ok, small anecdote from last night. My son's prom. After prom, about 5 couples came over to our house, had food, etc, etc until about 2:00am. One of the 17 year olds is a die-hard USC fan.
He walks into the door...."Mr Chicos, did you guys get Katin from USC today? I just heard that from my dad"
Me: "Apparently so"
Him: "Dang. That guy can shoot the 3. You will like him. He was our second best player"
OK, so take it for what it is worth....which is not much, I'm sure a semi-tanked teen coming from Prom, but I thought it was rather funny this was the first thing out of his mouth last night when he came into my home.
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A few what may be meaningless observations.
Last year Henry was allowed to play the way he wanted. As many said here he should of been kept more under the basket. Did that hurt the team I do not know and I am not sure anyone can say for sure. We could actually be better, because we are not trying to showcase Henry's skills. Maybe that is just wishful thinking. I watched as much of the NCAA tournament as I could and two things announcers said stood out to me. I think it was Xavier they were talking about. That comment was how that team spent the whole morning pregame practice concentrating on rebounding. I am not sure how Wojo runs his practices, but maybe he needs to put more emphasis on rebounding. In one of the North Carolina games the announcer said that North Carolina works on getting the ball to the hot shooter. It has frustrated me under Buzz and Wojo when they take the player out that just hit the three. There never seems to be much effort by MU to get the ball to the hot player.
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This is just like BD's predictions about Lee and Miller last year ... second year in a row that BD's pontification about transfers ;) way off.
Sorry but that is his track record.
"How can people give so much attention to BigDaddy and so little to me when BigDaddy comes here and gives us the inside scoop and I copy and paste entire articles?!"
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I guess you forgot his prediction on Howard choosing MU in looking at his "track record." Oh yeah, and the guy he said who gained a lot of interest when Hank announced just happened to set up an official visit like a day after BD let us know about the increased interest. Must've just been a good guess. :o
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I guess you forgot his prediction on Howard choosing MU in looking at his "track record." Oh yeah, and the guy he said who gained a lot of interest when Hank announced just happened to set up an official visit like a day after BD let us know about the increased interest. Must've just been a good guess. :o
And then there was something about his ability to cut hair...
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But seriously...somebody is transferring otherwise Wojo wouldn't have set up an official visit with Kalif Young yesterday
I agree, if the source is right it seem someone is moving. Sacar is getting great weight room reports the last 2 weeks, and Sandy has had his good moments, (I think it's his confidence, it seem to have gone down hill after that 3 on 1 play he blew for all to see)
To me that leave Wally and he could be committed 100% to High Jumping and the pull for BB may not be as great when Henry was here.
But it's all speculative, but isn't that defining the off season.
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So how do you think Markus Howard would feel about this? I wonder if it will cause him to reconsider.
My guess is he's OK with it. I think Wojo is like Coach K and does not Guarantee Minutes only the opportunity to compete.
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This is just like BD's predictions about Lee and Miller last year ... second year in a row that BD's pontification about transfers are way off.
Sorry but that is his track record.
So who's Better?
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I don't know why some want to usher Cohen out the door.
I shy away from talking about our student athletes but I think there are some cases we need to be honest about.
Anyone expecting high major production from Cohen is not seeing things correctly.
PepsiCo is an aggressive company that has a commitment to the Street on earnings growth. It recruits from the very best schools, poaches the best talent, and pays in the top 2% because it demands exceptional performance. Pepsi has a saying - figure out immediately if you can be successful here. It's not cruel. It's honest.
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"How can people give so much attention to BigDaddy and so little to me when BigDaddy comes here and gives us the inside scoop and I copy and paste entire articles?!"
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I guess you forgot his prediction on Howard choosing MU in looking at his "track record." Oh yeah, and the guy he said who gained a lot of interest when Hank announced just happened to set up an official visit like a day after BD let us know about the increased interest. Must've just been a good guess. :o
And he has gotten over 10,000 views on the recruiting thread he started just a couple days ago, but that is likely because he is getting the benefit of using nearly the same title as threads started by Glow.
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Everyone here is talking about this fight over playing time that is coming down the pike. I get that is the mentality of today's players, but we don't exactly have a bunch of guys that are going pro after Henry. I'm pretty sure the culture is being shifted to a team who's mentality is more in line with the team game. That's Duke style and Wojo style. I'm excited that we will have a deep team that can rotate in the hot hands. There is a shift in our culture happening. Get excited for the change. It's going to be great!
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Big Daddy isn't perfect. But he's good and his insights are appreciated.
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I think Sandy is likely an outstanding young man, teammate and student. I do think he can have success at Division I basketball. I doubt whether it is in the Big East.
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I shy away from talking about our student athletes but I think there are some cases we need to be honest about.
Anyone expecting high major production from Cohen is not seeing things correctly.
PepsiCo is an aggressive company that has a commitment to the Street on earnings growth. It recruits from the very best schools, poaches the best talent, and pays in the top 2% because it demands exceptional performance. Pepsi has a saying - figure out immediately if you can be successful here. It's not cruel. It's honest.
It depends on your definition of high major production. Do I ever expect him to be a star at Marquette? No. Could he evolve into a Trent Lockett glue guy type at Marquette? I think its very possible. Cohen already plays defense at a high major level. His offensive game is currently limited. I'm not sure he'll ever develop the driving skills or mid range game but his outside shooting could be at a high major level. His release is a little slow and I think he gets mentally blocked. Those are things that can be fixed.
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And he has gotten over 10,000 views on the recruiting thread he started just a couple days ago, but that is likely because he is getting the benefit of using nearly the same title as threads started by Glow.
Did he provide a link to Glow's thread?
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"I'm sure a semi-tanked teen coming from Prom,"
wait...how many years has this little dude been in high school? gotta love the open bar at proms though-heyn'a?
good to know-i mean the "young adult's" comments re: katin
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I shy away from talking about our student athletes but I think there are some cases we need to be honest about.
Anyone expecting high major production from Cohen is not seeing things correctly.
PepsiCo is an aggressive company that has a commitment to the Street on earnings growth. It recruits from the very best schools, poaches the best talent, and pays in the top 2% because it demands exceptional performance. Pepsi has a saying - figure out immediately if you can be successful here. It's not cruel. It's honest.
First off, we're not Pepsi. If we could fill our 13 man roster with the top 2% of all D1 Basketball players - we wouldn't have missed the tournament three straight years.
Nothing in his two years has given any indication that he doesn't belong here.
People need to quit viewing every recruit as a Star or Bust. We need role players. Sandy's role on this team should be two-fold. Sit in the corner on offense and knock down corner threes. Exert 100% of your energy on being a nuisance on the defensive end. Be our Bruce Bowen. Know your limitations. Do the grunt work for our team, so that our more "skilled" players can be more effective at their jobs.
Sandy will put in the work, and he'll get his confidence back. He's got a good stroke.
Jake Thomas shot 28% from 3 his first year at Marquette. Shooting is all about confidence. Sandy has a nice stroke -- he's just not a shot creator. Limit your scope and develop 1 skill, and do it better than anyone.
If he's willing to do the dirty work, and accept the fact that he is not going to ever be "the guy" - then he could have a really nice final 2 years here.
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I agree with your overall assessment, but Sandy's stroke is slow with a low release point.
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First off, we're not Pepsi. If we could fill our 13 man roster with the top 2% of all D1 Basketball players - we wouldn't have missed the tournament three straight years.
Nothing in his two years has given any indication that he doesn't belong here.
People need to quit viewing every recruit as a Star or Bust. We need role players. Sandy's role on this team should be two-fold. Sit in the corner on offense and knock down corner threes. Exert 100% of your energy on being a nuisance on the defensive end. Be our Bruce Bowen. Know your limitations. Do the grunt work for our team, so that our more "skilled" players can be more effective at their jobs.
Sandy will put in the work, and he'll get his confidence back. He's got a good stroke.
Jake Thomas shot 28% from 3 his first year at Marquette. Shooting is all about confidence. Sandy has a nice stroke -- he's just not a shot creator. Limit your scope and develop 1 skill, and do it better than anyone.
If he's willing to do the dirty work, and accept the fact that he is not going to ever be "the guy" - then he could have a really nice final 2 years here.
I am not that smart when it comes to basketball but there are times Cohen is completely lost out there on both ends of the court. That might be confidence but I would argue it is far worse than that.
Probably a nice kid but the Big East game is bigger, faster, stronger, and more precise than he has shown the ability to perform at.
Basketball is like golf in that it is a game of consistency but requires the additional dimension of flow dynamics and applied integration. Cohen is too often a liability.
If we are to be competitive we need a team that can perform at a level commensurate with the opposition. We make our money in conference and, as we saw last season, not in buy games against the Gramblings of the world.
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Always room for a traditional with ink, ai na?
He's from Dana Point....can't get more traditional (in the terminology you are using) than that.
Beautiful part of the OC.
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I am not that smart when it comes to basketball but there are times Cohen is completely lost out there on both ends of the court. That might be confidence but I would argue it is far worse than that.
Probably a nice kid but the Big East game is bigger, faster, stronger, and more precise than he has shown the ability to perform at.
Basketball is like golf in that it is a game of consistency but requires the additional dimension of flow dynamics and applied integration. Cohen is too often a liability.
If we are to be competitive we need a team that can perform at a level commensurate with the opposition. We make our money in conference and, as we saw last season, not in buy games against the Gramblings of the world.
Speaking of a "slow release," Keefe, what did you think of the reluctant actions by the two young Yank "pilots" in EYE IN THE SKY? I wasn't sure they were up to pulling the trigger.
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....can't get more traditional (in the terminology you are using) than that.
Jams
C'mon, man. Are you still maintaining that fiction?? I think you knew exactly what you meant when you introduced that word into the Scoop lexicon.
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Speaking of a "slow release," Keefe, what did you think of the reluctant actions by the two young Yank "pilots" in EYE IN THE SKY? I wasn't sure they were up to pulling the trigger.
Haven't seen it yet wild but will do so this week and revert back with a debrief. Work has gotten in the way of things.
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If JJJ leaves I will be deeply saddened. Katin's improvement last year was from 2-point land. Need to analyze further -- anyone understand why he was so much stronger in the area of 2FG%?
PS - 6'6" sounds good, but dude is allergic to rebounds.
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dude is allergic to rebounds.
He'll fit right in, then!
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Jams
C'mon, man. Are you still maintaining that fiction?? I think you knew exactly what you meant when you introduced that word into the Scoop lexicon.
Go back and read what I said....nothing of the kind. No fiction. Kind of hard to include Wes Matthews in my description of a traditional....and then have it turned into something else. So you're right, I knew exactly what I was saying...a basketball player, not an athlete first. A guy that can pass, shoot, play defense, make free throws, high basketball IQ. Fundamentally sound.....all the things I said back in the day.
Nov 14, 2010. That's the day it was born. Read the thread.
A lot of people jumped on the racial angle, when there was NONE. Here was the initial post I made:
"Well, many posts in and no one really answered it. I'm guessing it was because he was deemed not athletic enough for Buzz's style of play??? I don't know, that's why I put the question out there. Very intelligent kid, nice ball player, good outside shooter.
It's obvious Buzz likes athletic players, slashers, etc....I wonder if down the road he will recruit one or two "traditional" basketball players that are more of your spot up and shoot type players...like Gasser."
Because I used Gasser, it became racial nonsense, but I clearly stated traditional basketball player, not athlete first. So then, THAT VERY DAY, I took it a step further listed a bunch of players (black, white, Asian, whatever) that fit what I defined as traditional basketball player. It took on a life of its own, but I never made a racial statement there and responded directly to the ridiculousness of the charges throughout the thread.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=22194.msg242718#msg242718
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PS - 6'6" sounds good, but dude is allergic to rebounds.
You weren't kidding, 2 reb average each year. Career single game high of 6 rebounds (28 min per game avg, 6'6, 215)
Andrew Rowsey at 5'10 has career avg of 3.2 rebounds per, Katin at 2.4.
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Go back and read what I said....nothing of the kind. No fiction. Kind of hard to include Wes Matthews in my description of a traditional....and then have it turned into something else. So you're right, I knew exactly what I was saying...a basketball player, not an athlete first. A guy that can pass, shoot, play defense, make free throws, high basketball IQ. Fundamentally sound.....all the things I said back in the day.
Make no mistake - I value your participation here. I might not always agree with you, Sultan, Chick, x, forgetful, 82, etc but I damned sure respect what you guys and gal add to the Scoop narrative.
Hell, if we all agreed on everything there would be nothing to post about.
The only guy I don't like is Navy because, well, he's a Rhino puke. 'Nuff said I should think.
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You weren't kidding, 2 reb average each year. Career single game high of 6 rebounds (28 min per game avg, 6'6, 215)
Andrew Rowsey at 5'10 has career avg of 3.2 rebounds per, Katin at 2.4.
Is this another Clue that a spot is opening for a big?
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You weren't kidding, 2 reb average each year. Career single game high of 6 rebounds (28 min per game avg, 6'6, 215)
Andrew Rowsey at 5'10 has career avg of 3.2 rebounds per, Katin at 2.4.
Or put another way.. they are fairly comparable... would think Katin may be a little more interested in the OR% for the scoring opp.
... Rowsey's OR% & DR% as a FR & Soph: 1.2% & 9.7% FR; 1.5% & 7.2% So.
Katin's 3 seasons.. from oldest to most recent: 1.1% & 6.1%; 2.0% & 7.3%; 2.7% & 8.1%.. improving!
In 2015-16.. for the full season, compared to his 78 PAC-12 peers who played at least 40% of their team's minutes... Katin's DR% of 8.1% put him at #72. Of the 7 behind him, 4 were 6'1" or shorter.. tallest was 6'4".
6-foot true frosh PG Traci Carter.. 9.2% DR%.
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Make no mistake - I value your participation here. I might not always agree with you, Sultan, Chick, x, forgetful, 82, etc but I damned sure respect what you guys and gal add to the Scoop narrative.
Hell, if we all agreed on everything there would be nothing to post about.
The only guy I don't like is Navy because, well, he's a Rhino puke. 'Nuff said I should think.
Going back to that thread....whatever happened to Canadian Dimes? Ners was also in that thread a bunch.
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Go back and read what I said....nothing of the kind. No fiction. Kind of hard to include Wes Matthews in my description of a traditional....and then have it turned into something else. So you're right, I knew exactly what I was saying...a basketball player, not an athlete first. A guy that can pass, shoot, play defense, make free throws, high basketball IQ. Fundamentally sound.....all the things I said back in the day.
Nov 14, 2010. That's the day it was born. Read the thread.
A lot of people jumped on the racial angle, when there was NONE. Here was the initial post I made:
"Well, many posts in and no one really answered it. I'm guessing it was because he was deemed not athletic enough for Buzz's style of play??? I don't know, that's why I put the question out there. Very intelligent kid, nice ball player, good outside shooter.
It's obvious Buzz likes athletic players, slashers, etc....I wonder if down the road he will recruit one or two "traditional" basketball players that are more of your spot up and shoot type players...like Gasser."
Because I used Gasser, it became racial nonsense, but I clearly stated traditional basketball player, not athlete first. So then, THAT VERY DAY, I took it a step further listed a bunch of players (black, white, Asian, whatever) that fit what I defined as traditional basketball player. It took on a life of its own, but I never made a racial statement there and responded directly to the ridiculousness of the charges throughout the thread.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=22194.msg242718#msg242718
The problem was your assertion was ridiculous in the first place. Buzz recruited many guys that were "basketball player, not an athlete first. that can pass, shoot, play defense, make free throws, high basketball IQ. Fundamentally sound....."
He did so at the time. Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, DJO, Davante Gardner... All basketball players. All by and large could pass, shoot, play defense, make free throws. I never noticed a poor basketball IQ by any of them. Sure they had their moments when they "peed down their leg," but traditional players have those moments as well.
I think people know that you weren't being racial with your post. Just that your assertion was so absurd that everyone uses it to needle you about it.
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The problem was your assertion was ridiculous in the first place. Buzz recruited many guys that were "basketball player, not an athlete first. that can pass, shoot, play defense, make free throws, high basketball IQ. Fundamentally sound....."
He did so at the time. Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder, DJO, Davante Gardner... All basketball players. All by and large could pass, shoot, play defense, make free throws. I never noticed a poor basketball IQ by any of them. Sure they had their moments when they "peed down their leg," but traditional players have those moments as well.
I think people know that you weren't being racial with your post. Just that your assertion was so absurd that everyone uses it to needle you about it.
Maybe, but at the time we had guys that couldn't shoot, were not great free throw shooters, and Buzz was constantly preaching athletes first. We were coming off a season in which we were one of the last teams into the dance, were a horrible outside shooting team (around 200th), not a good free throw shooting team...fortunately (to Buzz's credit) we played hard, forced turnovers, great in the assist department. In fact, his quote was that we were beating teams by being more athletic. In later years, that came back to bite us because we couldn't do simple things like shoot the basketball well.
To each their own. I'm old school in wanting kids that can do the basketball things well first. Maybe it's a product of me growing up watching Wooden's teams, going to IU with Knight there, etc. It doesn't mean I don't value athleticism because of course I do. It's the pull out the hair part when we can't do the fundamentals well. I think in that thread I also admitted that it wasn't fair to say those kids weren't basketball players first.
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Maybe, but at the time we had guys that couldn't shoot, were not great free throw shooters, and Buzz was constantly preaching athletes first. We were coming off a season in which we were one of the last teams into the dance, were a horrible outside shooting team (around 200th), not a good free throw shooting team...fortunately (to Buzz's credit) we played hard, forced turnovers, great in the assist department. In fact, his quote was that we were beating teams by being more athletic. In later years, that came back to bite us because we couldn't do simple things like shoot the basketball well.
To each their own. I'm old school in wanting kids that can do the basketball things well first. Maybe it's a product of me growing up watching Wooden's teams, going to IU with Knight there, etc. It doesn't mean I don't value athleticism because of course I do. It's the pull out the hair part when we can't do the fundamentals well. I think in that thread I also admitted that it wasn't fair to say those kids weren't basketball players first.
At the time you posted it we were just tipping off a season where we ended up making a Sweet 16....followed by another Sweet 16....followed by a BE championship and an Elite 8.
At the time you posted it, Buzz put together a roster that currently has two guys who play significant roles on NBA teams, one of whom would become the BE POY and another that would become an NBA All-Star. Three others eventually would get time on NBA teams.
Your comments were ridiculous at the time. They are downright laughable in retrospect.
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If Reinhardt was a 13-15 DR% guy, I'd be inclined to agree. But his 8.1 DR% was lowest of all qualifying players on USC last year. That was also his career high. There's plenty to like about the kid, but it would be a major statistical outlier for him to suddenly become even marginally effective on the glass.
Carter, Cheatham, Johnson and Cohen all posted higher DR% than Reinhardt last season. Cohen is the best defensive rebounder by that measure, followed by Johnson.
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If JJJ leaves I will be deeply saddened.
Totally agree, but it's not like he is keeping his "exploration of options" a big secret.
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Maybe, but at the time we had guys that couldn't shoot, were not great free throw shooters, and Buzz was constantly preaching athletes first. We were coming off a season in which we were one of the last teams into the dance, were a horrible outside shooting team (around 200th), not a good free throw shooting team...
Wait a second.. I think you just indicated your initial post about wanting more white dudes was in Nov 2010... so, a new season was upon us..
The problems with your commentary re: the season we were "coming off" above include:
"we were one of the last teams into the dance" -- we were a 6 seed. wat
"were a horrible outside shooting team" -- we shot 41.3%, the best we may ever see and good for top 5 in the NATION.
"not a good free throw shooting team" -- we shot 74.3%!!! Good for top 30 in D-I (not that FT% matters)
Our "traditional" indicators were actually wonderful. But, most of us understood what you meant.
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I don't know why some want to usher Cohen out the door. He had a disappointing second half of the year but there is a lot to like about his game. If we play small ball it will be Cohen who is asked to rebound the ball more and create mismatches on the offensive end. He showed rebounding moxie by grabbing 7 boards against St. Johns and 9 against X. If Cohen gets stronger, he will excel as an undersized stretch 4.
Agreed. While Sandy was inconsistent and seemed to lose his confidence down the stretch, he did show overall improvement this season. His 3PT% (.355), effective FG% (.536), DR% (13.5), AST% (13.2) and ORtg (108.7) were all higher than his freshman year.
Sandy posted a higher DR% than Jajuan, Duane, Traci or Haanif. I think there's a place for him on the team.
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Totally agree, but it's not like he is keeping his "exploration of options" a big secret.
I guess I missed this. I haven't heard anything about exploring options other than some rumors on message boards.
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Totally agree, but it's not like he is keeping his "exploration of options" a big secret.
Freeport is on equal footing with BD in my world. When he speaks, I listen.
Can you elaborate more? Thanks!
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Agreed. While Sandy was inconsistent and seemed to lose his confidence down the stretch, he did show overall improvement this season. His 3PT% (.355), effective FG% (.536), DR% (13.5), AST% (13.2) and ORtg (108.7) were all higher than his freshman year.
Sandy posted a higher DR% than Jajuan, Duane, Traci or Haanif. I think there's a place for him on the team.
I think it's fair to be OK with his DR% in conference (15%). After that, there are concerns... turnover rate is up, including a shocking 24% in BEast play. His assist% was inflated due to early games against horrible opp's.. vs. quality teams, it was actually down.
As the season progressed, his presence and confidence withered.. he shot 6/24 3FG for 25% in conference... was 12/42 for 29% as a freshman. Neither are good, but it's clear he was in a rough spot this year after a strong nonconference showing.
As a freshman, his % shots in conference play were 16.7%... and he had a usage of 15%.
Again, evidence is in the numbers and was clear in watching him.. the conference season was not pretty for him. He wilted to an 11.0% %Shots guy, with a 12% usage. Non-factor except to help a little on the d-boards (and the turnovers.. eeek).
I just can't get on board with the idea of 'he showed improvement' when you really consider how he played against conference opp's and the reduction in his offensive involvement.
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I think it's fair to be OK with his DR% in conference (15%). After that, there are concerns... turnover rate is up, including a shocking 24% in BEast play. His assist% was inflated due to early games against horrible opp's.. vs. quality teams, it was actually down.
As the season progressed, his presence and confidence withered.. he shot 6/24 3FG for 25% in conference... was 12/42 for 29% as a freshman. Neither are good, but it's clear he was in a rough spot this year after a strong nonconference showing.
As a freshman, his % shots in conference play were 16.7%... and he had a usage of 15%.
Again, evidence is in the numbers and was clear in watching him.. the conference season was not pretty for him. He wilted to an 11.0% %Shots guy, with a 12% usage. Non-factor except to help a little on the d-boards (and the turnovers.. eeek).
I just can't get on board with the idea of 'he showed improvement' when you really consider how he played against conference opp's and the reduction in his offensive involvement.
All good points. The only one I'd possibly dispute is that turnovers were an issue with the entire team, top to bottom — I don't think you call out Sandy alone for this. Hannif, Duane, Traci and Jajuan all need to improve in that regard.
If he's going to be part of the team and main rotation in 2016-17, Sandy will need to step up and play like an upperclassman.
I don't ever see him being one of our top scorers. But he may not have to be. There's a place on every team for dependable role players who can come off the bench with high energy, defend multiple positions and rebound. Seems like Sandy is capable of that, especially if we're playing more 4-guard lineups. We'll just have to see.
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We're a bottom third team and people are up in arms worried about competition for playing time. Adding a double digit scorer from the bench off an NCAA team would seem to be a talent upgrade the program could use. Weird there's so much fretting.
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All good points. The only one I'd possibly dispute is that turnovers were an issue with the entire team, top to bottom — I don't think you call out Sandy alone for this. Hannif, Duane, Traci and Jajuan all need to improve in that regard.
Not calling out Sandy alone for it -- was calling out that his turnovers trend was awful when comparing to his freshman year or early in the season. (Again, the topic was "Sandy showed improvement.)
Haanif (24.4%; 25.0% in conf) and Traci (29.1%; 28.4% in conf) absolutely need to improve from their freshman years. Duane and JjJ are borderline OK where they are at, but some improvement would be great. Duane was at 18.5% for the year, and essentially the same against conference foes. JjJ improved from 19.3% a year ago to 17.9%, but coughed it up too often in conference.
If Sandy can improve a little on the boards, knock down some timely shots, and reduce the turnovers, he'll be fine.
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Looked up the in-conference turnover percentages for our main rotation:
Traci 28.8 TO%
Sandy 21.9
Haanif 21.4
Jajuan 17.9
Duane 15.8
Luke 15.4
Henry 12.5
My understanding is that turnover rate is the 2nd most important of the four factors. From a team standpoint, Nova and Xavier were at 14.3% and 14.8%, respectively, for the season. Marquette committed turnovers on 17.2% of all possessions — in the bottom 20th percentile of all NCAA teams. Only DePaul was worse in the Big East.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/turnover-pct
That's by no means a defense of Sandy. Just reinforces how much MU needs to improve in this critical area.
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Looked up the in-conference turnover percentages for our main rotation:
Traci 28.8 TO%
Sandy 21.9
Haanif 21.4
Jajuan 17.9
Duane 15.8
Luke 15.4
Henry 12.5
My understanding is that turnover rate is the 2nd most important of the four factors. From a team standpoint, Nova and Xavier were at 14.3% and 14.8%, respectively, for the season. Marquette committed turnovers on 17.2% of all possessions — in the bottom 20th percentile of all NCAA teams. Only DePaul was worse in the Big East.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/turnover-pct
That's by no means a defense of Sandy. Just reinforces how much MU needs to improve in this critical area.
Oh dear. Those numbers are brutal (e.g., wrong).
The 17.2% isn't based on all possessions... it was higher than that.
And those player percentages are all types of hosed. Bad source.
Story is still the same - MU turned it over a lot. But you're misreading information.
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Carter, Cheatham, Johnson and Cohen all posted higher DR% than Reinhardt last season. Cohen is the best defensive rebounder by that measure, followed by Johnson.
The trouble with those statistics is that Cohen was on an average rebounding team. I am also assuming most of his rebounds were in non-conference games. I am not sure what other rebounders Reinhardt was surrounded with. Pointing out that Rowsey had a better rebounding average playing in a low mid-major conference vs. Reinhardt who played in the Pac 12 is also a somewhat suspect statistic.
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Oh dear. Those numbers are brutal (e.g., wrong).
The 17.2% isn't based on all possessions... it was higher than that.
And those player percentages are all types of hosed. Bad source.
Story is still the same - MU turned it over a lot. But you're misreading information.
Depending on the limited information I can find on the net. Not sure how the teamrankings site would get something as simple as turnover percentage wrong. The in-conference player stats come from basketball-reference.com — which I always thought was a reliable source.
Any good links you can share for stats/reference would be appreciated.
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Totally agree, but it's not like he is keeping his "exploration of options" a big secret.
Seriously? Wow. Would be a HUGE blow
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Depending on the limited information I can find on the net. Not sure how the teamrankings site would get something as simple as turnover percentage wrong. The in-conference player stats come from basketball-reference.com — which I always thought was a reliable source.
Any good links you can share for stats/reference would be appreciated.
Your link and the 17.2% you quoted was from a page on TeamRankings that was not turnovers per possession..
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Totally agree, but it's not like he is keeping his "exploration of options" a big secret.
Please expand on this.
Happy to see Reinhardt pick MU. Nice player. For some reason, I'm not that excited though - We still need a big in the worst way. Hopefully it is Wally that is gone - seems like a great guy and all, but he's of least value to the future of MU hoops.
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Our "traditional" indicators were actually wonderful. But, most of us understood what you meant.
I wrote exactly what I meant back then....read the thread. It could not have been more crystal clear.
The shooting percentages, etc were from the 2010-11 team. I wrote the comment in Nov of 2010, which is part of the 2010-11 season. You are correct, I should not have said the season we were coming off, I should have said the season we were in at the time I made the statement, which was one of a poor shooting team...34% from the arc, avg at best FT shooting team, etc.
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I wrote exactly what I meant back then....read the thread. It could not have been more crystal clear.
The shooting percentages, etc were from the 2010-11 team. I wrote the comment in Nov of 2010, which is part of the 2010-11 season. You are correct, I should not have said the season we were coming off, I should have said the season we were in at the time I made the statement, which was one of a poor shooting team...34% from the arc, avg at best FT shooting team, etc.
That made the S16...and then another...and then the E8.
But Buzz didn't recruit enough kids who were basketball players first and lacked fundamentals. ::)
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At the time you posted it we were just tipping off a season where we ended up making a Sweet 16....followed by another Sweet 16....followed by a BE championship and an Elite 8.
At the time you posted it, Buzz put together a roster that currently has two guys who play significant roles on NBA teams, one of whom would become the BE POY and another that would become an NBA All-Star. Three others eventually would get time on NBA teams.
Your comments were ridiculous at the time. They are downright laughable in retrospect.
When I posted it, was the beginning of a season in which we lost 15 games and ended up being one of the last teams into the dance, per Gene Smith, the NCAA committee chairman. That was a rough year, we were fortunate to get a bid and we did some damage in the tournament before losing badly to UNC. If anything, I was dead on right about that team at the time and how poorly we did the fundamentals....like shooting the basketball.
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That made the S16...and then another...and then the E8.
But Buzz didn't recruit enough kids who were basketball players first and lacked fundamentals. ::)
NCAA tournament is a crap shoot. Syracuse didn't belong in the NCAA tournament this year, yet made the Final Four. It happens. We were one of the last teams into the dance that year, primarily because we couldn't shoot very well from deep (34%) or from the free throw line.
My point was then that he was trying to out athlete everyone, and we needed a few more "traditional" basketball players. Guys that could make a shot....he didn't value those folks like Scott Christopherson and the like, good basketball players, good shooters, smart with the ball. I think eventually he tried to correct that, but it was telling when he would say publicly we're going to out athlete folks. That's great, until you run into a really heady team that can contain that and will back door you to death, make you play patient defense and essentially kill you with fundamentals.
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Your link and the 17.2% you quoted was from a page on TeamRankings that was not turnovers per possession.
I'm honestly not sure what the difference is between turnovers per possession and turnovers per offensive play. Isn't an offensive play the same as a possession? Or is the TeamRankings site talking about turnovers per offensive trip (which could include multiple possessions if you count offensive rebounds)?
I'm no statistician, obviously. But I try to at least understand the basics when it comes to offensive and defensive efficiency.
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And those player percentages are all types of hosed. Bad source.
Is basketball-reference.com a bad source? Or am I misreading the player in-conference TO% numbers?
Not trying to be antagonistic. I appreciate the analytical perspective and insight found here. Just want to make sure that any stats I cite are accurate and relevant.
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My point was then that he was trying to out athlete everyone, and we needed a few more "traditional" basketball players. Guys that could make a shot....he didn't value those folks like Scott Christopherson and the like, good basketball players, good shooters, smart with the ball. I think eventually he tried to correct that, but it was telling when he would say publicly we're going to out athlete folks. That's great, until you run into a really heady team that can contain that and will back door you to death, make you play patient defense and essentially kill you with fundamentals.
No.
The point is that given Buzz's success since your statement was made, your statement was laughable. If you would have simply said "I wish we had better shooters." I would agree with you. I, and many other people here, said the same thing.
But that's not what you said. You said "basketball player, not an athlete first. that can pass, shoot, play defense, make free throws, high basketball IQ. Fundamentally sound....." Buzz recruited basketball players. They could pass. Play defense. Had a high basketball IQ. Fundamentally they were quite sounds. Furthermore their shooting and FT shooting improved.
You managed to double down and make your initial point even more stupid.
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before losing badly to UNC. If anything, I was dead on right about that team at the time and how poorly we did the fundamentals....like shooting the basketball.
I don't remember losing badly to UNC. All I remember about that game is Rob Frozena hitting the buzzer beater. I thought he won it for us.
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Make no mistake - I value your participation here. I might not always agree with you, Sultan, Chick, x, forgetful, 82, etc but I damned sure respect what you guys and gal add to the Scoop narrative.
Hell, if we all agreed on everything there would be nothing to post about.
The only guy I don't like is Navy because, well, he's a Rhino puke. 'Nuff said I should think.
Foxtrot Oscar Zoomie :o
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No.
The point is that given Buzz's success since your statement was made, your statement was laughable. If you would have simply said "I wish we had better shooters." I would agree with you. I, and many other people here, said the same thing.
But that's not what you said. You said "basketball player, not an athlete first. that can pass, shoot, play defense, make free throws, high basketball IQ. Fundamentally sound....." Buzz recruited basketball players. They could pass. Play defense. Had a high basketball IQ. Fundamentally they were quite sounds. Furthermore their shooting and FT shooting improved.
You managed to double down and make your initial point even more stupid.
Who were some of these "athlete first, basketball player second" guys Chico's keeps talking about?
I think Carlton Christian fits the bill there. Trend Blackledge, for sure. Karon Bradley, maybe. But they were recruited by the guy before Buzz.
Who did Buzz recruit that wasn't a basketball player?
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Who were some of these "athlete first, basketball player second" guys Chico's keeps talking about?
I think Carlton Christian fits the bill there. Trend Blackledge, for sure. Karon Bradley, maybe. But they were recruited by the guy before Buzz.
Who did Buzz recruit that wasn't a basketball player?
Mbao. ;)
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Who were some of these "athlete first, basketball player second" guys Chico's keeps talking about?
I think Carlton Christian fits the bill there. Trend Blackledge, for sure. Karon Bradley, maybe. But they were recruited by the guy before Buzz.
Who did Buzz recruit that wasn't a basketball player?
McMorrow?
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I'll never forget Buzz's last year, I'm sitting literally 7 or 8 feet from the bench in Anaheim against San Diego State. At halftime Buzz comes over, sits 3 feet from me. Lazar is there as a fan, a few others, he's speaking to whomever will listen. Buzz says "we can't shoot...none of my players can shoot". Of course I'm nodding my head and thinking well duh, Buzz, this hasn't been a secret for a number of years you have been here at MU. There were exceptions, of course, but it was a drive first, paint touches type offense. That's fine...it can work very well. But don't be surprised when the type of players you recruit can't shoot when they aren't shooters....you know...the #1 traditional part of basketball...the SHOOTING part of the game.
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So when the high school dude that was at your house sobered up, did he have anything else to say about Katin?
I'll never forget Buzz's last year...
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I'm honestly not sure what the difference is between turnovers per possession and turnovers per offensive play. Isn't an offensive play the same as a possession? Or is the TeamRankings site talking about turnovers per offensive trip (which could include multiple possessions if you count offensive rebounds)?
You'd have to ask Teamrankings.com.. they have both. (And, I don't like their turnovers per possession figures.)
Is basketball-reference.com a bad source? Or am I misreading the player in-conference TO% numbers?
Not trying to be antagonistic. I appreciate the analytical perspective and insight found here. Just want to make sure that any stats I cite are accurate and relevant.
A bad source for Ortg, TO%, etc, IMO. They appear to use a barbaric calculation with regard to individual possessions.. individual possessions used can be better estimated. Those who follow stronger estimates will have very different TO%'s.
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Always room for a traditional with ink, ai na?
The Sweater Vesties are in an uproar...
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So when the high school dude that was at your house sobered up, did he have anything else to say about Katin?
I'm guessing they had a little juice, that's one of the reasons my wife and I wanted all the friends back at our pad after the dance. We didn't talk about Katin this morning. The kid played at Mater Dei, which is traditionally a powerhouse out here. Largest Catholic school west of the Mississippi that has 2 or 3 Heisman winners, their fair share of NBA and MLB guys.
Stanley Johnson
LeRon Ellis
Reggie Geary
A few others I can't remember.
A bunch of guys in college hoops. From a basketball pedigree, he's coming from a good program. Hope it works out for all parties, except SC. Anything that weakens USC is a good thing. ;)
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You'd have to ask Teamrankings.com.. they have both. (And, I don't like their turnovers per possession figures.)
A bad source for Ortg, TO%, etc, IMO. They appear to use a barbaric calculation with regard to individual possessions.. individual possessions used can be better estimated. Those who follow stronger estimates will have very different TO%'s.
Thanks for the clarification. I thought per possession stats were pretty standard at this point. Do you recommend KenPom or another site? I'm also curious to learn more about where the differences lie and what they mean for analysis.
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Markus Howard doesn't seem unhappy with the commitment......
https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/719267100653592576
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Markus Howard doesn't seem unhappy with the commitment......
https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/719267100653592576
that is good news
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What happened to Sacar/
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Mater Dei, which is traditionally a powerhouse out here.
Or did you mean a Traditional Powerhouse?
Or a Powerhouse of Traditionals?
Or a House of Powerful Traditionals?
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The worst 3 point shooting team in the ACC was playing in the National Championship game a week ago with all their non-traditional athletes.
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When I posted it, was the beginning of a season in which we lost 15 games and ended up being one of the last teams into the dance, per Gene Smith, the NCAA committee chairman. That was a rough year, we were fortunate to get a bid and we did some damage in the tournament before losing badly to UNC. If anything, I was dead on right about that team at the time and how poorly we did the fundamentals....like shooting the basketball.
Oh, then obviously you agree that Buzz coached his athlete-first recruits superbly, helped turn many of them into outstanding all-around basketball players. Nice of you to be so complimentary to Buzz!
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Markus Howard doesn't seem unhappy with the commitment......
https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/719267100653592576
And yet the knee-jerk reaction of at least one Scooper was "he gowne."
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I'm guessing they had a little juice, that's one of the reasons my wife and I wanted all the friends back at our pad after the dance. We didn't talk about Katin this morning. The kid played at Mater Dei, which is traditionally a powerhouse out here. Largest Catholic school west of the Mississippi that has 2 or 3 Heisman winners, their fair share of NBA and MLB guys.
Stanley Johnson
LeRon Ellis
Reggie Geary
A few others I can't remember.
A bunch of guys in college hoops. From a basketball pedigree, he's coming from a good program. Hope it works out for all parties, except SC. Anything that weakens USC is a good thing. ;)
MD has a great hoops program - one of the best in the country. KR did very well there and helped SC a ton over the last couple of years. Hope he can be a solid contributor at MU.
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Oh, then obviously you agree that Buzz coached his athlete-first recruits superbly, helped turn many of them into outstanding all-around basketball players. Nice of you to be so complimentary to Buzz!
If Buzz was recruiting the wrong kind of player, clearly it is a testament to his acumen as a coach that he was able to go S-16, S-16, E-8 with them.
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How is his first name pronounced? Kay-tin? Cat-In? Kuh-teen?
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How is his first name pronounced? Kay-tin? Cat-In? Kuh-teen?
According to his USC bio page: KATE-inn RINE-hart
Also stated that he switched from #1 to "his favorite number" 5 after his first season at USC. Clearly this means Sandy is gone.
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And yet the knee-jerk reaction of at least one Scooper was "he gowne."
Either knee-jerk or Scooper is redundant in the above sentence, please try not to waste my time with making me read extra words.
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How is his first name pronounced? Kay-tin? Cat-In? Kuh-teen?
Let's hope it isn't like "Kaitlin", although he can play multiple positions interchangeably.
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If Buzz was recruiting the wrong kind of player, clearly it is a testament to his acumen as a coach that he was able to go S-16, S-16, E-8 with them.
1.Chico rips Buzz for recruiting "bad shooters" who led Marquette on its best run (S16, S16, E8) since Al.
2.Chico constantly defends Crean (who recruited and made Dominic James the #1 or 1A option in our offense even though he was an awful shooter) from all critics. Crean wins 1 NCAA game in three years encouraging a guy who shoots 29% from 3, 40.8% overall and 62% from the line (he missed more free throws than any player in MU history) to jack it at will.
Just another steamin' hot bowl of Chico's agenda driven hypocrisy. Yum yum.
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Who were some of these "athlete first, basketball player second" guys Chico's keeps talking about?
I think Carlton Christian fits the bill there. Trend Blackledge, for sure. Karon Bradley, maybe. But they were recruited by the guy before Buzz.
Who did Buzz recruit that wasn't a basketball player?
Otule.
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Seriously? Wow. Would be a HUGE blow
Yeah really hope that's not true. Jajuan seems poised to have the senior year Vander never gave us.
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The worst 3 point shooting team in the ACC was playing in the National Championship game a week ago with all their non-traditional athletes.
They shouldn't have even been in the tournament. Once in, crap shoot. Their defensive zone is what gets them far, because teams aren't used to it.
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Yeah really hope that's not true. Jajuan seems poised to have the senior year Vander never gave us.
Last I heard this was off the table, but things can change I suppose
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They shouldn't have even been in the tournament. Once in, crap shoot. Their defensive zone is what gets them far, because teams aren't used to it.
wadesworld was talking about UNC, not Cuse.
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Mbao. ;)
Definitely not a traditional.
Also not an athlete.
Just a tall person.
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Totally agree, but it's not like he is keeping his "exploration of options" a big secret.
Freeport - what are the options that JJJ is currently exploring?
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Last I heard this was off the table, but things can change I suppose
Is JuJuan somehow in a position to graduate after 3 years of college? Short of that, a transfer to sit out a year doesn't make a ton of sense - especially for a dude gaining so much momentum.
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Is JuJuan somehow in a position to graduate after 3 years of college? Short of that, a transfer to sit out a year doesn't make a ton of sense - especially for a dude gaining so much momentum.
That was the original thought, but last I was told he was not able to graduate at the end of this year
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That was the original thought, but last I was told he was not able to graduate at the end of this year
Meaning December 2016?
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How is his first name pronounced? Kay-tin? Cat-In? Kuh-teen?
It is pronounced "Derrick Wilson"
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This is just like BD's predictions about Lee and Miller last year ... second year in a row that BD's pontification about transfers are way off.
Sorry but that is his track record.
I'm late to the party here - and I have pages of this thread I haven't had the chance to read yet - but please, just let me say that you should leave it to others to tape a "kick me" sign on your back and not do it yourself.
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Or put another way.. they are fairly comparable... would think Katin may be a little more interested in the OR% for the scoring opp.
... Rowsey's OR% & DR% as a FR & Soph: 1.2% & 9.7% FR; 1.5% & 7.2% So.
Katin's 3 seasons.. from oldest to most recent: 1.1% & 6.1%; 2.0% & 7.3%; 2.7% & 8.1%.. improving!
In 2015-16.. for the full season, compared to his 78 PAC-12 peers who played at least 40% of their team's minutes... Katin's DR% of 8.1% put him at #72. Of the 7 behind him, 4 were 6'1" or shorter.. tallest was 6'4".
6-foot true frosh PG Traci Carter.. 9.2% DR%.
Obviously, he's protecting the fingers on his shooting hand from getting jammed.
With rebounding being such an obvious flaw, I'd love to get into Wojo's mind regarding how he's thinking about it. Has he seen something on tape he thinks he can change?
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The trouble with those statistics is that Cohen was on an average rebounding team. I am also assuming most of his rebounds were in non-conference games. I am not sure what other rebounders Reinhardt was surrounded with. Pointing out that Rowsey had a better rebounding average playing in a low mid-major conference vs. Reinhardt who played in the Pac 12 is also a somewhat suspect statistic.
On the other hand, comparing the rebounding of a 5'10" guard to a 6'6" guard was unfair to Rowsey.
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Meaning December 2016?
End of this school year, May 2016
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Freeport - what are the options that JJJ is currently exploring?
Many here know that he's sick of not making the tourney and may be looking at options to make that happen (if he doesn't think it will happen here). Have no idea of timetable, or if this process is already complete. So many moving pieces to the puzzle change daily with players, coaches moving. I think JJJ will be our best player next year, but I don't know if we are even close to a good team.
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Atleast he didn't say student section. That would be a rude awakening
well actually that depends on how to interpret this:
I know basketball culture is huge and the fan base for Marquette is amazing, the student section.
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Is JuJuan somehow in a position to graduate after 3 years of college? Short of that, a transfer to sit out a year doesn't make a ton of sense - especially for a dude gaining so much momentum.
That was the rumor. From what I have been told by people with direct knowledge of the situation, that is not true. JJJ may transfer, but it won't be as a graduate of this university. If he does transfer, he is likely to find his options limited. Not many high major contenders want to spend two years of a scholarship for one year of a player.
If JJJ leaves, I will be sad. He seems to be poised for a massive senior year. I would have been more sad if we didn't end up with Katin Reinhardt. He's not the same kind of player as JJJ, but he can make up a lot of the production that we would lose. Lets just keep them both ;D
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That was the rumor. From what I have been told by people with direct knowledge of the situation, that is not true. JJJ may transfer, but it won't be as a graduate of this university. If he does transfer, he is likely to find his options limited. Not many high major contenders want to spend two years of a scholarship for one year of a player.
If JJJ leaves, I will be sad. He seems to be poised for a massive senior year. I would have been more sad if we didn't end up with Katin Reinhardt. He's not the same kind of player as JJJ, but he can make up a lot of the production that we would lose. Lets just keep them both ;D
Pretty much exactly how I feel. I like the addition of Rienhardt, assuming we don't lose one of our key backcourt pieces because of it / it was a reaction to losing one of said key backcourt pieces. Key backcourt pieces being Cheatham, JJJ, Duane and to a lesser extent Carter. Rowsey IMO will be a key piece, but obviously not going anywhere. We need JJJ to stay around - he ain't making the tourney red shirting somewhere next year.
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Many here know that he's sick of not making the tourney and may be looking at options to make that happen (if he doesn't think it will happen here). Have no idea of timetable, or if this process is already complete. So many moving pieces to the puzzle change daily with players, coaches moving. I think JJJ will be our best player next year, but I don't know if we are even close to a good team.
Appreciate the thoughts Freeport. Hopefully getting an established player like Reinhardt would help ease some of his concerns. I agree that JJJ would be our best player next year. Especially given the makeup of the roster. I'd imagine our strategy would involve being very aggressive and high tempo, things that fit JJJ's game perfectly.
I think we have a very good team with a very obvious flaw lined up for next season. I think the talent and experience is enough to make the NCAA tournament. The question will be is how can Wojo address the rebounding issue to keep it from keeping us out of the postseason.
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Appreciate the thoughts Freeport. Hopefully getting an established player like Reinhardt would help ease some of his concerns. I agree that JJJ would be our best player next year. Especially given the makeup of the roster. I'd imagine our strategy would involve being very aggressive and high tempo, things that fit JJJ's game perfectly.
I think we have a very good team with a very obvious flaw lined up for next season. I think the talent and experience is enough to make the NCAA tournament. The question will be is how can Wojo address the rebounding issue to keep it from keeping us out of the postseason.
Go grab a rebounding big off the grad transfer market and tell Wally his brother needs to pay his way or its best he graduate and play elsewhere. Harsh? Yah - but fu**ina, I wanna win.
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Go grab a rebounding big off the grad transfer market and tell Wally his brother needs to pay his way. Harsh? Yah - but fu**ina, I wanna win.
Certainly a way to do it. I think there our ways to address it with the current roster. It will never be a strength. But I think we can be decent enough that it doesn't hold us back.
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That was the rumor. From what I have been told by people with direct knowledge of the situation, that is not true. JJJ may transfer, but it won't be as a graduate of this university. If he does transfer, he is likely to find his options limited. Not many high major contenders want to spend two years of a scholarship for one year of a player.
If JJJ leaves, I will be sad. He seems to be poised for a massive senior year. I would have been more sad if we didn't end up with Katin Reinhardt. He's not the same kind of player as JJJ, but he can make up a lot of the production that we would lose. Lets just keep them both ;D
JJJ goes through this every year, then his mother intercedes and tells him to stay at MU.
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wadesworld was talking about UNC, not Cuse.
UNC was 13th out of 15, not last in 3 point shooting
http://www.theacc.com/page/team-stats-m-baskbl-stat-crew
My bad on Syracuse
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Certainly a way to do it. I think there our ways to address it with the current roster. It will never be a strength. But I think we can be decent enough that it doesn't hold us back.
Sure - but why limit yourself like that for a guy that at best will be 10th or 11th in the rotation and is nothing more than an energy guy that will graduate at the end of the year. Trading him for a 6-8 or 6-9 rebounding machine makes much more sense.
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Go grab a rebounding big off the grad transfer market and tell Wally his brother needs to pay his way or its best he graduate and play elsewhere. Harsh? Yah - but fu**ina, I wanna win.
Sure, let's alienate the biggest name to play basketball at Marquette in decades.... for you. Who needs NBA players who have good things to say about your school when you're recruiting?
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UNC was 13th out of 15, not last in 3 point shooting
http://www.theacc.com/page/team-stats-m-baskbl-stat-crew
My bad on Syracuse
They were last place in conference play in 3 point shooting % at 29.1%. And they were playing in the National Title.
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Sure, let's alienate the biggest name to play basketball at Marquette in decades.... for you. Who needs NBA players who have good things to say about your school when you're recruiting?
Its not for ME. Its for the betterment of the team. If Wally moves on, I can assure you I had nothing to do with it.
Plus, being real with Wally and telling him that he's unlikely to get off the bench next year shouldn't alienate Henry - it sure didn't this season when Wally barely got off the bench with a shorthanded team.
Edit - and if you mean the comment about Henry paying his way - I was only kidding. Wally can pay for it for all I care - I just meant that he won't be using a scholarship that we badly need to use on a rebounder.
Plus - Wojo know someone is leaving. He wouldn't have scheduled Young to visit if there was no room for him.
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Its not for ME. Its for the betterment of the team. If Wally moves on, I can assure you I had nothing to do with it.
Plus, being real with Wally and telling him that he's unlikely to get off the bench next year shouldn't alienate Henry - it sure didn't this season when Wally barely got off the bench with a shorthanded team.
Edit - and if you mean the comment about Henry paying his way - I was only kidding. Wally can pay for it for all I care - I just meant that he won't be using a scholarship that we badly need to use on a rebounder.
Plus - Wojo know someone is leaving. He wouldn't have scheduled Young to visit if there was no room for him.
I'm sorry but this is not a smart idea on many levels. Other coaches would have a field day with this one.
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Its not for ME. Its for the betterment of the team. If Wally moves on, I can assure you I had nothing to do with it.
Plus, being real with Wally and telling him that he's unlikely to get off the bench next year shouldn't alienate Henry - it sure didn't this season when Wally barely got off the bench with a shorthanded team.
Edit - and if you mean the comment about Henry paying his way - I was only kidding. Wally can pay for it for all I care - I just meant that he won't be wasting using a scholarship that we badly need to use on a rebounder.
Plus - Wojo know someone is leaving. He wouldn't have scheduled Young to visit if there was no room for him.
Yeah, I was talking about telling Wally to tell Henry pay his way, though I think that taking Wally's schollie away now that Henry's gone would probably leave a bad taste in HE's mouth regardless of what was said or not said. Of course, that doesn't mean that Wally won't be giving it up on his own.
I completely agree with you that Wojo believes someone we don't know about yet is going/gone or he wouldn't be getting Young on campus. In fact, I bet that MU wouldn't have offered Reinhardt if that wasn't the case. I think getting a frosh big in the program would have been too important to pass on for Reinhardt.
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Yeah, I was talking about telling Wally to tell Henry pay his way, though I think that taking Wally's schollie away now that Henry's gone would probably leave a bad taste in HE's mouth regardless of what was said or not said. Of course, that doesn't mean that Wally won't be giving it up on his own.
I completely agree with you that Wojo believes someone we don't know about yet is going/gone or he wouldn't be getting Young on campus. In fact, I bet that MU wouldn't have offered Reinhardt if that wasn't the case. I think getting a frosh big in the program would have been too important to pass on for Reinhardt.
Were on the same page.
I'm sorry but this is not a smart idea on many levels. Other coaches would have a field day with this one.
This happens literally every single day in the offseason of CBB.
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This happens literally every single day in the offseason of CBB.
Yep. The schools and coaches have the upper hand in almost every aspect.
A few young men benefit from the graduate transfer rules and of course the multimillion-dollar coaches want to eliminate that, too.
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Sure - but why limit yourself like that for a guy that at best will be 10th or 11th in the rotation and is nothing more than an energy guy that will graduate at the end of the year. Trading him for a 6-8 or 6-9 rebounding machine makes much more sense.
Not actually what I was getting at. As I've stated elsewhere, I'm more worried about our lack of bigs in 2017-2018 than I am about our lack of bigs in in 2016-2017. We could get a grad transfer big this season sure. That would make us great this season if its the right player. But then we are really behind the 8 ball in 2017-2018. We'd have Matt Heldt and that's it. Sure we could get a grad transfer big next offseason, but that's a big if. If another schollie came available, I'd rather spend it on a Kalif Young or a traditional transfer like Dylan Ose....ski. Another option is a grad transfer like Patrick Steeves or Derail Green who have two years of eligibility left. But they aren't great rebounders either.
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Were on the same page.
This happens literally every single day in the offseason of CBB.
You mean, of course, figuratively literally... because literally literally, I don't think this is possible.
I mean... every single day, as in literally literally every single day? I think there literally literally has to at least be one day during the off-season where this literally literally doesn't happen, otherwise figuratively literally every team would have to be doing this, and I figuratively literally find that difficult to believe, figuratively speaking.
(Grammar police, please advise on the use of a double figurative and to whether such is subject to the same literal treatment as double negatives, and figuratively, whether meaning is assessed similarly.)
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I completely agree with you that Wojo believes someone we don't know about yet is going/gone or he wouldn't be getting Young on campus. In fact, I bet that MU wouldn't have offered Reinhardt if that wasn't the case. I think getting a frosh big in the program would have been too important to pass on for Reinhardt.
This sure seem to be the most likely scenario as things stand right now.
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They were last place in conference play in 3 point shooting % at 29.1%. And they were playing in the National Title.
they were also the worst ever in UNC history
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About the schollie----What happened to Sacar. Is he still on the team?
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About the schollie----What happened to Sacar. Is he still on the team?
Yes. Why do you keep asking?
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About the schollie----What happened to Sacar. Is he still on the team?
Yes....it's there a reason you think he's not?
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About the schollie----What happened to Sacar. Is he still on the team?
Yes. Our current roster for next year:
Seniors: (4) Katin Reinhardt, Luke Fischer, Jajuan Johnson, Wally Ellenson
Juniors: (3) Duane Wilson, Andrew Rowsey, Sandy Cohen
Sophomores: (4) Haanif Cheatham, Traci Carter, Matt Heldt, Sacar Anim
Freshmen: (2) Sam Hauser, Markus Howard
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Yes. Our current roster for next year:
Seniors: (4) Katin Reinhardt, Luke Fischer, Jajuan Johnson, Wally Ellenson
Juniors: (3) Duane Wilson, Andrew Rowsey, Sandy Cohen
Sophomores: (4) Haanif Cheatham, Traci Carter, Matt Heldt, Sacar Anim
Freshmen: (2) Sam Hauser, Markus Howard
Thanks, and in case anyone still cares, I did update the scholarship table. It currently shows -1, with a footnote about Bailey.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
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Yes. Our current roster for next year:
Seniors: (4) Katin Reinhardt, Luke Fischer, Jajuan Johnson, Wally Ellenson
Juniors: (3) Duane Wilson, Andrew Rowsey, Sandy Cohen
Sophomores: (4) Haanif Cheatham, Traci Carter, Matt Heldt, Sacar Anim
Freshmen: (2) Sam Hauser, Markus Howard
Suddenly, we are an experienced team. Still undersized.
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Suddenly, we are an experienced team. Still undersized.
3 seniors will be our 3 best players, IMO, if the roster stays as is.
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Thanks, and in case anyone still cares, I did update the scholarship table. It currently shows -1, with a footnote about Bailey.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
Thanks, rocky. At least I still care, I refer to it numerous times throughout the year. It's a great tool.
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3 seniors will be our 3 best players, IMO, if the roster stays as is.
Disagree on 3 best players, Haanif will be in our top 3 players next year #donedeal
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Disagree on 3 best players, Haanif will be in our top 3 players next year #donedeal
Who joins him? I was between JJ and HC for the third slot. Think Luke has his best year and Reinhardt will be a very pleasant surprise to those that wished we used the last open schollie on a "big".
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Who joins him? I was between JJ and HC for the third slot. Think Luke has his best year and Reinhardt will be a very pleasant surprise to those that wished we used the last open schollie on a "big".
I think more people will be surprised if they think Reinhardt is taking up the last open schollie.
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You mean, of course, figuratively literally... because literally literally, I don't think this is possible.
Who knows? Because no one (speaking figuratively here) knows the proper usage of the term "literally". In fact, everyone (again, speaking figuratively) seems to get the usage consistently backward.
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Thanks, rocky. At least I still care, I refer to it numerous times throughout the year. It's a great tool.
Look how beautifully balanced the scholarship table is right now. 4 seniors, 3 juniors, 4 sophomores, 3 freshmen (if you include Bailey).
I forget sometimes that Duane has two years of eligibility left. He turns 22 this September, and he's been with the team for 3 years — so I think of him as a senior.
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3 seniors will be our 3 best players, IMO, if the roster stays as is.
I agree. I think Haanif will be in the mix as well.
We have a deep and experienced team next season. Biggest concerns are size and lack of a "superstar" player to lead the team. Can one of the three seniors or Haanif step into that role?
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Wally was the only player on last year's team that would actually pursue a rebound.
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Wally was the only player on last year's team that would actually pursue a rebound.
His brother got all the easy boards, Wally got all the tough ones. No one else got any. This is well documented.
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His brother got all the easy boards, Wally got all the tough ones. No one else got any. This is well documented.
I just LOLed at this...
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https://vine.co/v/eA66gBW7aKD
My apologies to your eyes :D
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A traditional's traditional.
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Not actually what I was getting at. As I've stated elsewhere, I'm more worried about our lack of bigs in 2017-2018 than I am about our lack of bigs in in 2016-2017. We could get a grad transfer big this season sure. That would make us great this season if its the right player. But then we are really behind the 8 ball in 2017-2018. We'd have Matt Heldt and that's it. Sure we could get a grad transfer big next offseason, but that's a big if. If another schollie came available, I'd rather spend it on a Kalif Young or a traditional transfer like Dylan Ose....ski. Another option is a grad transfer like Patrick Steeves or Derail Green who have two years of eligibility left. But they aren't great rebounders either.
I would like to see us get Marvin Clark from Michigan State
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I would like to see us get Marvin Clark from Michigan State
i know, we could sign up kostas and bundle him up with a couple of draft picks, throw in a cheerleader or two...
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His brother got all the easy boards, Wally got all the tough ones. No one else got any. This is well documented.
;D
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If you were JjJ, how would you see the Katin transfer in?
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If you were JjJ, how would you see the Katin transfer in?
"Further opens up driving lanes where I really thrive offensively".......hopefully
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If you were JjJ, how would you see the Katin transfer in?
I think it would depend on their on court chemistry. Katin has supposedly made comments he likes to pass and JJJ likes to drive and push transition so they could be very compatible. On the other hand Wojo has not been a big supporter of JJJ so naturally he would be suspicious.
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I think it would depend on their on court chemistry. Katin has supposedly made comments he likes to pass and JJJ likes to drive and push transition so they could be very compatible. On the other hand Wojo has not been a big supporter of JJJ so naturally he would be suspicious.
Why do you say JJJ hasn't been supported by Wojo? If you mean he got on him for not playing defense and JJJ took that the wrong way, well that's too bad I suppose. Players and under 30's in general are so damn sensitive about any constructive criticism.
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Why do you say JJJ hasn't been supported by Wojo? If you mean he got on him for not playing defense and JJJ took that the wrong way, well that's too bad I suppose. Players and under 30's in general are so damn sensitive about any constructive criticism.
Agreed here, CBB. More crap from the Ners crowd.
Isn't it amazing how when JJJ didn't do what wojo wanted, he didn't play (and when he did, he didn't play well/consistent)? And when JJJ did what wojo wanted, he got minutes and played well?
But sure, this is wojo not supporting JJJ. More mind games.
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JJJ has improved so much under this coaching staff he would have to be blind not to see it.
Maybe JJ can look,in the mirror and see that this type of coaching is exactly what he needed to reach his potential ?
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Agreed here, CBB. More crap from the Ners crowd.
Isn't it amazing how when JJJ didn't do what wojo wanted, he didn't play (and when he did, he didn't play well/consistent)? And when JJJ did what wojo wanted, he got minutes and played well?
But sure, this is wojo not supporting JJJ. More mind games.
I remember one post game interview with Wojo where he couldn't gush more about JJJ....but I have no doubt with Wojo it comes down to whether you are pulling your weight on both ends, and if you are not....then you're going to hear from him.
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Why do you say JJJ hasn't been supported by Wojo?
I assumed he was being sarcastic, but he hasn't come back on here to admit he shoulda used teal so maybe I'm wrong!
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I think we need to turn our approach around 180 degrees. The question is not "what does Reinhardt's commitment to Jjj?" But rather did Jjj say something to Wojo that indicated he needed to recruit Reinhardt.
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3 seniors will be our 3 best players
Wally and which other 2?
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Why do you say JJJ hasn't been supported by Wojo? If you mean he got on him for not playing defense and JJJ took that the wrong way, well that's too bad I suppose. Players and under 30's in general are so damn sensitive about any constructive criticism.
I gave a balanced answer. Pro and Con. That is is called constructive analysis.
It is very clear JJJ is not on Wojo's most favored player list. As the season wore on, JJJ's talent was undeniable and Wojo had no choice but to play him more, but the leash was always much tighter than the others . That is reality.
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And you said Henry would be here 4 years.
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And you said Henry would be here 4 years.
I overestimated his enthusiasm for College Life , playing with his brother etc and was obviously wrong in that assumption.
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Some talk about JJ not being on the team next year. What are his viable options? I'm guessing that JJ is considering entering the draft and not transferring to another school. Transferring makes zero sense and he's not good enough to play in the NBA (yet), so I think he's back.
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I overestimated his enthusiasm for College Life , playing with his brother etc and was obviously wrong in that assumption.
That's a massive overassumption
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I think it would depend on their on court chemistry. Katin has supposedly made comments he likes to pass and JJJ likes to drive and push transition so they could be very compatible. On the other hand Wojo has not been a big supporter of JJJ so naturally he would be suspicious.
But that's just it.. "on court chemistry"... I'm not sure these two fit on the court together. They seem like a platoon option, but both guys who could get 25-30 mpg if the other isn't there or the other sits...
Katin may say he likes to pass, but his assist rate of 9.5% last season says otherwise, a''ina? MU had one regular with a lower assist rate last year... Luke Fischer at 7.0%.
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On the other hand Wojo has not been a big supporter of JJJ so naturally he would be suspicious.
If you say so TexWest
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Wojo played so many mind games with JJJ that JJJ refused to improve and then transferred.
Oh wait ...
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Wojo played so many mind games with JJJ that JJJ refused to improve and then transferred.
Oh wait ...
JJ transferred out three times. When Wojo first took over, with Deonte and John two Christmases ago, last summer due to his minutes, and this past January because Wojo benched him and played mind games. If he does indeed transfer for a fourth time this summer it would set a new NCAA record. The reason this has been underreported in the media is because JJ keeps transferring back to Marquette, thus retaining his eligibility.
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But that's just it.. "on court chemistry"... I'm not sure these two fit on the court together. They seem like a platoon option, but both guys who could get 25-30 mpg if the other isn't there or the other sits...
Katin may say he likes to pass, but his assist rate of 9.5% last season says otherwise, a''ina? MU had one regular with a lower assist rate last year... Luke Fischer at 7.0%.
What are your thoughts on a 1-2-3-4 of MH/TC- HC-JJJ-Reinhardt? I think it could work. Small lineup, but if Reinhardt is as good of a defender as we're hearing then I think it could work well and they could coexist.
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I gave a balanced answer. Pro and Con. That is is called constructive analysis.
It is very clear JJJ is not on Wojo's most favored player list. As the season wore on, JJJ's talent was undeniable and Wojo had no choice but to play him more, but the leash was always much tighter than the others . That is reality.
No. No, no no.
Once again you have cause and effect mixed up. Wojo played JJJ more when he gave more effort on both sides. This "JJJ gave Wojo no choice but to play him" is bullsh*t of the highest order.
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The nice thing is our guards/wings next year seem to break generally into two different groups: shooters and slashers.
Shooters
Howard
Rowsey
Hauser
Reinhardt
Slashers
Carter
Wilson
Cheatham
JJJ
Not sure where Cohen, Anim, and Wally fit into this scheme, which maybe gives them their own group: hustle/glue?
Ideally, Wojo can play a mix of the two groups at all times, giving the slashers room to attack while the shooters can find good spot up opportunities of drive and kicks. Our offense looked best this year when we did this, but our overall shooting ability will hopefully be even better.
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The nice thing is our guards/wings next year seem to break generally into two different groups: shooters and slashers.
Shooters
Howard
Rowsey
Hauser
Reinhardt
Slashers
Carter
Wilson
Cheatham
JJJ
Not sure where Cohen, Anim, and Wally fit into this scheme, which maybe gives them their own group: hustle/glue?
Ideally, Wojo can play a mix of the two groups at all times, giving the slashers room to attack while the shooters can find good spot up opportunities of drive and kicks. Our offense looked best this year when we did this, but our overall shooting ability will hopefully be even better.
And when three of your "slashers" are also above average 3P shooters....this team could get scary good play from 1-3.
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And when three of your "slashers" are also above average 3P shooters....this team could get scary good play from 1-3.
Indeed, slashers Cheatham and JJJ were our two best 3-point shooters by a pretty good margin last season. Both near 39%, and nobody else over 36%.
If the four joining the team and listed as "shooters" all shoot better than 39% from 3-point range this season, we'll be one of the best-shooting teams in the country. (And add Duane, who ain't half-bad from distance, either.)
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The nice thing is our guards/wings next year seem to break generally into two different groups: shooters and slashers.
Shooters
Howard
Rowsey
Hauser
Reinhardt
Slashers
Carter
Wilson
Cheatham
JJJ
Not sure where Cohen, Anim, and Wally fit into this scheme, which maybe gives them their own group: hustle/glue?
Ideally, Wojo can play a mix of the two groups at all times, giving the slashers room to attack while the shooters can find good spot up opportunities of drive and kicks. Our offense looked best this year when we did this, but our overall shooting ability will hopefully be even better.
This is how I've been thinking about it. I think our offense will be pretty deadly next season. Defense I actually think will be good. Rebounding is the big ?
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But that's just it.. "on court chemistry"... I'm not sure these two fit on the court together. They seem like a platoon option, but both guys who could get 25-30 mpg if the other isn't there or the other sits...
Katin may say he likes to pass, but his assist rate of 9.5% last season says otherwise, a''ina? MU had one regular with a lower assist rate last year... Luke Fischer at 7.0%.
They're 2 bigger wings who aren't being asked to be the team's leading distributors. One tall wing is better at shooting and the other is better at slashing. They'll be great compliments to each other.
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Shooters
Howard
Rowsey
Hauser
Reinhardt
Slashers
Carter
Wilson
Cheatham
JJJ
Not sure where Cohen, Anim, and Wally fit into this scheme, which maybe gives them their own group: hustle/glue?
DR's - Designated Rebounders, because none of the slashers or shooters and are going to provide many.
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Indeed, slashers Cheatham and JJJ were our two best 3-point shooters by a pretty good margin last season. Both near 39%, and nobody else over 36%.
If the four joining the team and listed as "shooters" all shoot better than 39% from 3-point range this season, we'll be one of the best-shooting teams in the country. (And add Duane, who ain't half-bad from distance, either.)
This always makes me think of easily the funniest GIF of the MU 15-16 season... Wojo going nuts when Duane decides to take another F'n 3 with a ton of time left and a close game... haha
(http://giant.gfycat.com/ValidShortGelada.gif)
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Indeed, slashers Cheatham and JJJ were our two best 3-point shooters by a pretty good margin last season. Both near 39%, and nobody else over 36%.
If the four joining the team and listed as "shooters" all shoot better than 39% from 3-point range this season, we'll be one of the best-shooting teams in the country. (And add Duane, who ain't half-bad from distance, either.)
Yeah, I was going to mention that some of those "slashers" were decent shooters in their own right.
I do feel like with Cheatham and JJJ, they shot good percentages because they learned to shoot the ball in rotation from their hot spots and largely avoided taking bad threes. I think Duane could be in that category too, but he had more (and well documented) problems with forcing up threes not in the flow of the offense.
My sense from what I've read on most of the "shooters" coming in is that they are even more pure shooters who can shoot from around the arc in lots of contexts.
I'm also overly simplifying this to make the contrasts in my categorization more stark. I'm sure too that some of our "shooters" will also be pretty good at slashing as well, and not just guys who will camp out on the three point line. That versatility will hopefully make us a pretty fluid offensive team--if we can figure out the rebounding issue.
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But that's just it.. "on court chemistry"... I'm not sure these two fit on the court together. They seem like a platoon option, but both guys who could get 25-30 mpg if the other isn't there or the other sits...
Katin may say he likes to pass, but his assist rate of 9.5% last season says otherwise, a''ina? MU had one regular with a lower assist rate last year... Luke Fischer at 7.0%.
Hey, he said he liked to pass, he didn't say he was any good at it... ;)
Besides, its hard to concentrate on both passing and rebounding at the same time.
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The nice thing is our guards/wings next year seem to break generally into two different groups: shooters and slashers.
Shooters
Howard
Rowsey
Hauser
Reinhardt
Slashers
Carter
Wilson
Cheatham
JJJ
Not sure where Cohen, Anim, and Wally fit into this scheme, which maybe gives them their own group: hustle/glue?
Ideally, Wojo can play a mix of the two groups at all times, giving the slashers room to attack while the shooters can find good spot up opportunities of drive and kicks. Our offense looked best this year when we did this, but our overall shooting ability will hopefully be even better.
I guess Heidt just takes up space on the team.
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JJ transferred out three times. When Wojo first took over, with Deonte and John two Christmases ago, last summer due to his minutes, and this past January because Wojo benched him and played mind games. If he does indeed transfer for a fourth time this summer it would set a new NCAA record. The reason this has been underreported in the media is because JJ keeps transferring back to Marquette, thus retaining his eligibility.
That's four times. ;D
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I guess Heidt just takes up space on the team.
Ummm notice he left luke off too?
There's a reason. They ain't in the guard cluster
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I guess Heidt just takes up space on the team.
Takes up space? He doesn't deserve that kind of respect yet. Some day Mack Heidt....some day
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Where is Sacar Anim? Is he on the team? We NEED a Big. At the end of the year Luke
didn't know what a rebound was. Being a year older, Heldt should be more help to the team.
and Anim will learn to play defense. That would make things interesting as far as PT goes.
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Where is Sacar Anim? Is he on the team? We NEED a Big. At the end of the year Luke
didn't know what a rebound was. Being a year older, Heldt should be more help to the team.
and Anim will learn to play defense. That would make things interesting as far as PT goes.
Why have you asked this 506 times?
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JJ, Matt , HC, and Traci working the phones......https://twitter.com/muathletics/status/720033627355156480
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JJ, Matt , HC, and Traci working the phones......https://twitter.com/muathletics/status/720033627355156480
So... JJJ with one foot out the door huh?
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So... JJJ with one foot out the door huh?
Yes he is.
And the second foot will be out the door in a year, with the NBA in the other room.
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So... JJJ with one foot out the door huh?
Kid is classy. Calling season ticket holders to let them know he's transferring himself. Stand up act
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Where is Sacar Anim? Is he on the team? We NEED a Big. At the end of the year Luke
didn't know what a rebound was. Being a year older, Heldt should be more help to the team.
and Anim will learn to play defense. That would make things interesting as far as PT goes.
Where do you think animals is?
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Kid is classy. Calling season ticket holders to let them know he's transferring himself. Stand up act
(https://media.giphy.com/media/7rj2ZgttvgomY/giphy.gif)
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They're 2 bigger wings who aren't being asked to be the team's leading distributors. One tall wing is better at shooting and the other is better at slashing. They'll be great compliments to each other.
Complement vs. compliment, a''inal?
Platoon via mi view, but... "same time compliments (sic)" may be true... age is there.
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Why have you asked this 506 times?
It'd be really neat if he answered this question once.
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Never got a reply. Thought I missed something
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507
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Duane can't even get love from the MU BB officially Twitter account :)
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/720046114578124800
Same pic (+) shout outs (-) Duane
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Yes he is.
And the second foot will be out the door in a year, with the NBA in the other room.
If Jajuan is a legit NBA prospect at this time next year, he will have had one HELL of a senior season, and the Warriors probably will have had an outstanding season, too.
I don't see him as an NBA player, but I fully admit that I didn't see Buycks as one, either. So here's hopin'!
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Never got a reply. Thought I missed something
You did miss something. You missed people repeatedly, over and over, answering the question. Look back at post 234. That was yours, asking the same question. The next three posts in succession all answer the question and ask why you keep asking it. Yet here you are a day later asking the same thing again.
Not only did you get an answer, you got the same answer from numerous people. The reason people are annoyed with you asking it is because you clearly aren't paying any damn attention when people answer you. What is the point of giving an answer if the questioner is oblivious to the world around him?
Pull your damn head out of your ass and try reading the thread. You got an answer. It was immediate and repeated. Use your eyes.
EDIT: So go ahead and ask for time 508, since you aren't paying any attention when people quote you, answer your question, and address the reply you seem to be seeking.
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Where is Sacar Anim? Is he on the team? We NEED a Big. At the end of the year Luke
didn't know what a rebound was. Being a year older, Heldt should be more help to the team.
and Anim will learn to play defense. That would make things interesting as far as PT goes.
I agree we need a pogo stick 6 8 240 thug
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I agree we need a pogo stick 6 8 240 thug
I think it is absolutely absurd that wojo doesn't go out and recruit McDonald's all Americans every season with whatever scholarships are available. Guy should be fired already. Bring in someone who will do the job correctly.
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If Jajuan is a legit NBA prospect at this time next year, he will have had one HELL of a senior season, and the Warriors probably will have had an outstanding season, too.
Tony Smith scored 689 points and MU wnet 15-14.
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I agree we need a pogo stick 6 8 240 thug
Who do you suggest they get? I don't see a lot of, if any, options that fit your request.
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I agree we need a pogo stick 6 8 240 thug
Does Jay Z have any eligibility?
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Does Jay Z have any eligibility?
+1
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I think it is absolutely absurd that wojo doesn't go out and recruit McDonald's all Americans every season with whatever scholarships are available. Guy should be fired already. Bring in someone who will do the job correctly.
Jes, do you think MU82 is gonna be pissed you stealin' his shtick?
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Jes, do you think MU82 is gonna be pissed you stealin' his shtick?
I think he'll be outraged....not that any of us will be able to tell
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I think he'll be outraged....not that any of us will be able to tell
So what you are saying is that if MU82 is outraged in a message board forum but no one can tell is he really outraged? So much smoother than the tree in the forest colloquialism
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I agree we need a pogo stick 6 8 240 thug
A non-traditional?
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Noticed we just lost out on Tulane Transfer Dylan Osetkowski, 6-9 255 to Texas. We were
mentioned with Arizona, Maryland, and Oklahoma. That was our thug.
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If Jajuan is a legit NBA prospect at this time next year, he will have had one HELL of a senior season, and the Warriors probably will have had an outstanding season, too.
I don't see him as an NBA player, but I fully admit that I didn't see Buycks as one, either. So here's hopin'!
He will be an NBA prospect if Wojo doesn't get in his way and again play Sandy Cohen more minutes than JuJuan.
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Noticed we just lost out on Tulane Transfer Dylan Osetkowski, 6-9 255 to Texas. We were
mentioned with Arizona, Maryland, and Oklahoma. That was our thug.
Couldn't play this year anyway but would have been nice for the following 2 years.
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He will be an NBA prospect if Wojo doesn't get in his way and again play Sandy Cohen more minutes than JuJuan.
The Ners crowd is multiplying
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The Ners crowd is multiplying
Are we sure that isn't the return of Ners? Based on his 2 posts so far it's looking like the return of the high school basketball superstar.
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Are we sure that isn't the return of Ners? Based on his 2 posts so far it's looking like the return of the high school basketball superstar.
I always thought Ners was a taint, but I'm not sure I'm ready to decide that he is Taint.
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Taint nothin' but a thing.
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He will be an NBA prospect if Wojo doesn't get in his way and again play Sandy Cohen more minutes than JuJuan.
Who left the Door Open??
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Who left the Door Open??
JJJ will really have to improve to even get close to opening the door. Watch him play D after he misses a shot, barely runs back and that is why Woo sat him down.
He needs to suck it up and play both ends. He showed at the end of the year, he can go left but he mainly drives to the right side. Jump shot improved, if he adds another 20 pounds on his frame and keeps improving his J, the door might open more. The light bulb turned on the last couple of months, next year he can be the star
lets see if he impresses that.
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JJJ will really have to improve to even get close to opening the door. Watch him play D after he misses a shot, barely runs back and that is why Woo sat him down.
He needs to suck it up and play both ends. He showed at the end of the year, he can go left but he mainly drives to the right side. Jump shot improved, if he adds another 20 pounds on his frame and keeps improving his J, the door might open more. The light bulb turned on the last couple of months, next year he can be the star
lets see if he impresses that.
Agree, the ball is in JJ court.
But mine post was directed at Taint.
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I hope Katin pushes us over the edge, and Wojo can get us into the NIT in year 3 of his tenure. #wineveryday
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I hope Katin pushes us over the edge, and Wojo can get us into the NIT in year 3 of his tenure. #wineveryday
So who got banned recently that needed a new name?
Anyone see Al Davis since this guy showed up? Seems to have a similar mindset.
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So who got banned recently that needed a new name?
Anyone see Al Davis since this guy showed up? Seems to have a similar mindset.
Is it Tex?
I've always loved the internet game "Old Troll/New name or New Troll". It's kind of intense
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Is it Tex?
I've always loved the internet game "Old Troll/New name or New Troll". It's kind of intense
Trolls are like matter.
They can be neither created nor destroyed, but can only take on new forms.
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I hope Katin pushes us over the edge, and Wojo can get us into the NIT in year 3 of his tenure. #wineveryday
Definitely a tainted post.
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Trolls are like matter.
They can be neither created nor destroyed, but can only take on new forms.
So you are saying there are no new trolls being generated now or that for every troll that dies a new one is born somewhere else?
Can we go the reverse tinker bell....every time we clap our hands a scoop troll dies they come back as a reddit troll or something?
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Jes, do you think MU82 is gonna be pissed you stealin' his shtick?
Ha. No offense to 82 at all. I love sarcasm.
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Is it Tex?
I've always loved the internet game "Old Troll/New name or New Troll". It's kind of intense
Isn't Tex "Marq in NY"? That was my assumption.
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Ha. No offense to 82 at all. I love sarcasm.
I somehow missed the earlier references to this and had to go back and read 'em.
Outraged? Offended? Hell no! I'm effen honored!
(Or am I?)
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Katin Reinhardt @5SWISH 4h4 hours ago
Wheels up to Milwaukee
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Katin Reinhardt @5SWISH 4h4 hours ago
Wheels up to Milwaukee
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Katin Reinhardt @5SWISH 4h4 hours ago
Wheels up to Milwaukee
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He's not going to back out of his decision with weather like this! We have him fooled! Southern Cali kid to UNLV to USC to Marquette. No difference baby!
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He's not going to back out of his decision with weather like this! We have him fooled! Southern Cali kid to UNLV to USC to Marquette. No difference baby!
The plethora of hot babes at Summerfest will seal the deal.
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Hot babes at Summerfest?!?! Lots of large mammalian species inhabit the summerfest grounds, not sure a "hot babe" has ever wandered into that ecosystem.
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Hot babes at Summerfest?!?! Lots of large mammalian species inhabit the summerfest grounds, not sure a "hot babe" has ever wandered into that ecosystem.
Haha, I thought the same thing. Sure, 1 in 50 chicks may be "babe" worthy, but Milwaukee certainly isn't know for its good looking women.
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Hot babes at Summerfest?!?! Lots of large mammalian species inhabit the summerfest grounds, not sure a "hot babe" has ever wandered into that ecosystem.
Haha, I thought the same thing. Sure, 1 in 50 chicks may be "babe" worthy, but Milwaukee certainly isn't know for its good looking women.
Jeez...even I could tell that was sarcasm guys.
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My bad...regardless of the biomass of the women, I do miss summerfest. It is a spectacular event.
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My bad...regardless of the biomass of the women, I do miss summerfest. It is a spectacular event.
Never been a fan.
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Hot babes at Summerfest?!?! Lots of large mammalian species inhabit the summerfest grounds, not sure a "hot babe" has ever wandered into that ecosystem.
I went MU82 teal-less