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BM1090

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 12, 2016, 07:08:54 AM
But that's just it.. "on court chemistry"... I'm not sure these two fit on the court together. They seem like a platoon option, but both guys who could get 25-30 mpg if the other isn't there or the other sits...

Katin may say he likes to pass, but his assist rate of 9.5% last season says otherwise, a''ina? MU had one regular with a lower assist rate last year... Luke Fischer at 7.0%.

What are your thoughts on a 1-2-3-4 of MH/TC- HC-JJJ-Reinhardt? I think it could work. Small lineup, but if Reinhardt is as good of a defender as we're hearing then I think it could work well and they could coexist.

GGGG

Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on April 11, 2016, 10:51:45 PM
I gave a balanced answer. Pro and Con. That is is called constructive analysis.

It is very clear JJJ is not on Wojo's most favored player list. As the season wore on, JJJ's talent was undeniable and Wojo had no choice but to play him more, but the leash was always much tighter than the others . That is reality.


No.  No, no no.

Once again you have cause and effect mixed up.  Wojo played JJJ more when he gave more effort on both sides.  This "JJJ gave Wojo no choice but to play him" is bullsh*t of the highest order.

MUMountin

The nice thing is our guards/wings next year seem to break generally into two different groups: shooters and slashers.

Shooters
Howard
Rowsey
Hauser
Reinhardt

Slashers
Carter
Wilson
Cheatham
JJJ

Not sure where Cohen, Anim, and Wally fit into this scheme, which maybe gives them their own group: hustle/glue?

Ideally, Wojo can play a mix of the two groups at all times, giving the slashers room to attack while the shooters can find good spot up opportunities of drive and kicks.  Our offense looked best this year when we did this, but our overall shooting ability will hopefully be even better. 

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: MUMountin on April 12, 2016, 09:21:33 AM
The nice thing is our guards/wings next year seem to break generally into two different groups: shooters and slashers.

Shooters
Howard
Rowsey
Hauser
Reinhardt

Slashers
Carter
Wilson
Cheatham
JJJ


Not sure where Cohen, Anim, and Wally fit into this scheme, which maybe gives them their own group: hustle/glue?

Ideally, Wojo can play a mix of the two groups at all times, giving the slashers room to attack while the shooters can find good spot up opportunities of drive and kicks.  Our offense looked best this year when we did this, but our overall shooting ability will hopefully be even better.

And when three of your "slashers" are also above average 3P shooters....this team could get scary good play from 1-3. 
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Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on April 12, 2016, 09:45:14 AM
And when three of your "slashers" are also above average 3P shooters....this team could get scary good play from 1-3.

Indeed, slashers Cheatham and JJJ were our two best 3-point shooters by a pretty good margin last season. Both near 39%, and nobody else over 36%.

If the four joining the team and listed as "shooters" all shoot better than 39% from 3-point range this season, we'll be one of the best-shooting teams in the country. (And add Duane, who ain't half-bad from distance, either.)
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Quote from: MUMountin on April 12, 2016, 09:21:33 AM
The nice thing is our guards/wings next year seem to break generally into two different groups: shooters and slashers.

Shooters
Howard
Rowsey
Hauser
Reinhardt

Slashers
Carter
Wilson
Cheatham
JJJ

Not sure where Cohen, Anim, and Wally fit into this scheme, which maybe gives them their own group: hustle/glue?

Ideally, Wojo can play a mix of the two groups at all times, giving the slashers room to attack while the shooters can find good spot up opportunities of drive and kicks.  Our offense looked best this year when we did this, but our overall shooting ability will hopefully be even better.

This is how I've been thinking about it. I think our offense will be pretty deadly next season. Defense I actually think will be good. Rebounding is the big ?
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wadesworld

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 12, 2016, 07:08:54 AM
But that's just it.. "on court chemistry"... I'm not sure these two fit on the court together. They seem like a platoon option, but both guys who could get 25-30 mpg if the other isn't there or the other sits...

Katin may say he likes to pass, but his assist rate of 9.5% last season says otherwise, a''ina? MU had one regular with a lower assist rate last year... Luke Fischer at 7.0%.

They're 2 bigger wings who aren't being asked to be the team's leading distributors. One tall wing is better at shooting and the other is better at slashing. They'll be great compliments to each other.

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Quote from: MUMountin on April 12, 2016, 09:21:33 AM
Shooters
Howard
Rowsey
Hauser
Reinhardt

Slashers
Carter
Wilson
Cheatham
JJJ

Not sure where Cohen, Anim, and Wally fit into this scheme, which maybe gives them their own group: hustle/glue?


DR's - Designated Rebounders, because none of the slashers or shooters and are going to provide many.
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Quote from: MU82 on April 12, 2016, 10:00:43 AM
Indeed, slashers Cheatham and JJJ were our two best 3-point shooters by a pretty good margin last season. Both near 39%, and nobody else over 36%.

If the four joining the team and listed as "shooters" all shoot better than 39% from 3-point range this season, we'll be one of the best-shooting teams in the country. (And add Duane, who ain't half-bad from distance, either.)

This always makes me think of easily the funniest GIF of the MU 15-16 season... Wojo going nuts when Duane decides to take another F'n 3 with a ton of time left and a close game... haha


MUMountin

Quote from: MU82 on April 12, 2016, 10:00:43 AM
Indeed, slashers Cheatham and JJJ were our two best 3-point shooters by a pretty good margin last season. Both near 39%, and nobody else over 36%.

If the four joining the team and listed as "shooters" all shoot better than 39% from 3-point range this season, we'll be one of the best-shooting teams in the country. (And add Duane, who ain't half-bad from distance, either.)

Yeah, I was going to mention that some of those "slashers" were decent shooters in their own right. 

I do feel like with Cheatham and JJJ, they shot good percentages because they learned to shoot the ball in rotation from their hot spots and largely avoided taking bad threes.  I think Duane could be in that category too, but he had more (and well documented) problems with forcing up threes not in the flow of the offense. 

My sense from what I've read on most of the "shooters" coming in is that they are even more pure shooters who can shoot from around the arc in lots of contexts. 

I'm also overly simplifying this to make the contrasts in my categorization more stark.  I'm sure too that some of our "shooters" will also be pretty good at slashing as well, and not just guys who will camp out on the three point line.  That versatility will hopefully make us a pretty fluid offensive team--if we can figure out the rebounding issue.

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Quote from: Jay Bee on April 12, 2016, 07:08:54 AM
But that's just it.. "on court chemistry"... I'm not sure these two fit on the court together. They seem like a platoon option, but both guys who could get 25-30 mpg if the other isn't there or the other sits...

Katin may say he likes to pass, but his assist rate of 9.5% last season says otherwise, a''ina? MU had one regular with a lower assist rate last year... Luke Fischer at 7.0%.

Hey, he said he liked to pass, he didn't say he was any good at it... ;)

Besides, its hard to concentrate on both passing and rebounding at the same time.
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muwarrior69

Quote from: MUMountin on April 12, 2016, 09:21:33 AM
The nice thing is our guards/wings next year seem to break generally into two different groups: shooters and slashers.

Shooters
Howard
Rowsey
Hauser
Reinhardt

Slashers
Carter
Wilson
Cheatham
JJJ

Not sure where Cohen, Anim, and Wally fit into this scheme, which maybe gives them their own group: hustle/glue?

Ideally, Wojo can play a mix of the two groups at all times, giving the slashers room to attack while the shooters can find good spot up opportunities of drive and kicks.  Our offense looked best this year when we did this, but our overall shooting ability will hopefully be even better.

I guess Heidt just takes up space on the team.

real chili 83

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2016, 08:42:12 AM
JJ transferred out three times. When Wojo first took over, with Deonte and John two Christmases ago, last summer due to his minutes, and this past January because Wojo benched him and played mind games. If he does indeed transfer for a fourth time this summer it would set a new NCAA record. The reason this has been underreported in the media is because JJ keeps transferring back to Marquette, thus retaining his eligibility.

That's four times.  ;D

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Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 12, 2016, 06:14:05 PM
I guess Heidt just takes up space on the team.

Ummm notice he left luke off too?

There's a reason. They ain't in the guard cluster
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Frenns Liquor Depot

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 12, 2016, 06:14:05 PM
I guess Heidt just takes up space on the team.

Takes up space?  He doesn't deserve that kind of respect yet.  Some day Mack Heidt....some day

Earl Tatum

Where is Sacar Anim? Is he on the team? We NEED a Big. At the end of the year Luke
didn't know what a rebound was. Being a year older, Heldt should be more help to the team.
and Anim will learn to play defense. That would make things interesting as far as PT goes.

jesmu84

Quote from: Earl Tatum on April 12, 2016, 06:39:15 PM
Where is Sacar Anim? Is he on the team? We NEED a Big. At the end of the year Luke
didn't know what a rebound was. Being a year older, Heldt should be more help to the team.
and Anim will learn to play defense. That would make things interesting as far as PT goes.

Why have you asked this 506 times?



moomoo

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 12, 2016, 07:03:14 PM
So... JJJ with one foot out the door huh?

Yes he is.

And the second foot will be out the door in a year, with the NBA in the other room.
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WarriorPride68

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 12, 2016, 07:03:14 PM
So... JJJ with one foot out the door huh?

Kid is classy. Calling season ticket holders to let them know he's transferring himself. Stand up act

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Earl Tatum on April 12, 2016, 06:39:15 PM
Where is Sacar Anim? Is he on the team? We NEED a Big. At the end of the year Luke
didn't know what a rebound was. Being a year older, Heldt should be more help to the team.
and Anim will learn to play defense. That would make things interesting as far as PT goes.

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jesmu84

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on April 12, 2016, 07:21:40 PM
Kid is classy. Calling season ticket holders to let them know he's transferring himself. Stand up act


Jay Bee

Quote from: wadesworld on April 12, 2016, 10:05:10 AM
They're 2 bigger wings who aren't being asked to be the team's leading distributors. One tall wing is better at shooting and the other is better at slashing. They'll be great compliments to each other.

Complement  vs. compliment, a''inal?

Platoon via mi view, but... "same time compliments (sic)" may be true... age is there.
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JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: jesmu84 on April 12, 2016, 06:44:25 PM
Why have you asked this 506 times?

It'd be really neat if he answered this question once.
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