New Warrior Katin Reinhardt

[Pakuni]

No.

The point is that given Buzz's success since your statement was made, your statement was laughable.  If you would have simply said "I wish we had better shooters."  I would agree with you.  I, and many other people here, said the same thing.

But that's not what you said.  You said "basketball player, not an athlete first.  that can pass, shoot, play defense, make free throws, high basketball IQ.  Fundamentally sound....."  Buzz recruited basketball players.  They could pass.  Play defense.  Had a high basketball IQ.  Fundamentally they were quite sounds.  Furthermore their shooting and FT shooting improved.

You managed to double down and make your initial point even more stupid.

Who were some of these "athlete first, basketball player second" guys Chico's keeps talking about?
I think Carlton Christian fits the bill there. Trend Blackledge, for sure. Karon Bradley, maybe. But they were recruited by the guy before Buzz.
Who did Buzz recruit that wasn't a basketball player?

[GooooMarquette]

Who were some of these "athlete first, basketball player second" guys Chico's keeps talking about?
I think Carlton Christian fits the bill there. Trend Blackledge, for sure. Karon Bradley, maybe. But they were recruited by the guy before Buzz.
Who did Buzz recruit that wasn't a basketball player?

Mbao.

[WarriorPride68]

Who were some of these "athlete first, basketball player second" guys Chico's keeps talking about?
I think Carlton Christian fits the bill there. Trend Blackledge, for sure. Karon Bradley, maybe. But they were recruited by the guy before Buzz.
Who did Buzz recruit that wasn't a basketball player?

McMorrow?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'll never forget Buzz's last year, I'm sitting literally 7 or 8 feet from the bench in Anaheim against San Diego State.  At halftime Buzz comes over, sits 3 feet from me.  Lazar is there as a fan, a few others, he's speaking to whomever will listen.  Buzz says "we can't shoot...none of my players can shoot".  Of course I'm nodding my head and thinking well duh, Buzz, this hasn't been a secret for a number of years you have been here at MU.  There were exceptions, of course, but it was a drive first, paint touches type offense.  That's fine...it can work very well.  But don't be surprised when the type of players you recruit can't shoot when they aren't shooters....you know...the #1 traditional part of basketball...the SHOOTING part of the game.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

So when the high school dude that was at your house sobered up, did he have anything else to say about Katin?

I'll never forget Buzz's last year...

[Jay Bee]

I'm honestly not sure what the difference is between turnovers per possession and turnovers per offensive play. Isn't an offensive play the same as a possession? Or is the TeamRankings site talking about turnovers per offensive trip (which could include multiple possessions if you count offensive rebounds)?

You'd have to ask Teamrankings.com.. they have both. (And, I don't like their turnovers per possession figures.)

Is basketball-reference.com a bad source? Or am I misreading the player in-conference TO% numbers?

Not trying to be antagonistic. I appreciate the analytical perspective and insight found here. Just want to make sure that any stats I cite are accurate and relevant.

A bad source for Ortg, TO%, etc, IMO. They appear to use a barbaric calculation with regard to individual possessions.. individual possessions used can be better estimated. Those who follow stronger estimates will have very different TO%'s.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Always room for a traditional with ink, ai na?

The Sweater Vesties are in an uproar...

[ChicosBailBonds]

So when the high school dude that was at your house sobered up, did he have anything else to say about Katin?

I'm guessing they had a little juice, that's one of the reasons my wife and I wanted all the friends back at our pad after the dance.  We didn't talk about Katin this morning.  The kid played at Mater Dei, which is traditionally a powerhouse out here.  Largest Catholic school west of the Mississippi that has 2 or 3 Heisman winners, their fair share of NBA and MLB guys.

Stanley Johnson
LeRon Ellis
Reggie Geary
A few others I can't remember.

A bunch of guys in college hoops.  From a basketball pedigree, he's coming from a good program.  Hope it works out for all parties, except SC.  Anything that weakens USC is a good thing.   

[Marcus92]

You'd have to ask Teamrankings.com.. they have both. (And, I don't like their turnovers per possession figures.)

A bad source for Ortg, TO%, etc, IMO. They appear to use a barbaric calculation with regard to individual possessions.. individual possessions used can be better estimated. Those who follow stronger estimates will have very different TO%'s.

Thanks for the clarification. I thought per possession stats were pretty standard at this point. Do you recommend KenPom or another site? I'm also curious to learn more about where the differences lie and what they mean for analysis.

[MuMark]

Markus Howard doesn't seem unhappy with the commitment......

https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/719267100653592576

[Herman Cain]

Markus Howard doesn't seem unhappy with the commitment......

https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/719267100653592576

that is good news

[Earl Tatum]

What happened to Sacar/

[keefe]

Mater Dei, which is traditionally a powerhouse out here. 

Or did you mean a Traditional Powerhouse?

Or a Powerhouse of Traditionals?

Or a House of Powerful Traditionals?

[wadesworld]

The worst 3 point shooting team in the ACC was playing in the National Championship game a week ago with all their non-traditional athletes.

[MU82]

When I posted it, was the beginning of a season in which we lost 15 games and ended up being one of the last teams into the dance, per Gene Smith, the NCAA committee chairman.  That was a rough year, we were fortunate to get a bid and we did some damage in the tournament before losing badly to UNC.  If anything, I was dead on right about that team at the time and how poorly we did the fundamentals....like shooting the basketball.

Oh, then obviously you agree that Buzz coached his athlete-first recruits superbly, helped turn many of them into outstanding all-around basketball players. Nice of you to be so complimentary to Buzz!

[MU82]

Markus Howard doesn't seem unhappy with the commitment......

https://twitter.com/markushoward11/status/719267100653592576

And yet the knee-jerk reaction of at least one Scooper was "he gowne."

[SoCalEagle]

I'm guessing they had a little juice, that's one of the reasons my wife and I wanted all the friends back at our pad after the dance.  We didn't talk about Katin this morning.  The kid played at Mater Dei, which is traditionally a powerhouse out here.  Largest Catholic school west of the Mississippi that has 2 or 3 Heisman winners, their fair share of NBA and MLB guys.

Stanley Johnson
LeRon Ellis
Reggie Geary
A few others I can't remember.

A bunch of guys in college hoops.  From a basketball pedigree, he's coming from a good program.  Hope it works out for all parties, except SC.  Anything that weakens USC is a good thing.   

MD has a great hoops program - one of the best in the country.  KR did very well there and helped SC a ton over the last couple of years.  Hope he can be a solid contributor at MU. 

[tower912]

Oh, then obviously you agree that Buzz coached his athlete-first recruits superbly, helped turn many of them into outstanding all-around basketball players. Nice of you to be so complimentary to Buzz!

If Buzz was recruiting the wrong kind of player, clearly it is a testament to his acumen as a coach that he was able to go S-16, S-16, E-8 with them.   

[KampusFoods]

How is his first name pronounced? Kay-tin? Cat-In? Kuh-teen?

[MerrittsMustache]

How is his first name pronounced? Kay-tin? Cat-In? Kuh-teen?

According to his USC bio page: KATE-inn RINE-hart

Also stated that he switched from #1 to "his favorite number" 5 after his first season at USC. Clearly this means Sandy is gone.

[mu03eng]

And yet the knee-jerk reaction of at least one Scooper was "he gowne."

Either knee-jerk or Scooper is redundant in the above sentence, please try not to waste my time with making me read extra words.

[Dr. Blackheart]

How is his first name pronounced? Kay-tin? Cat-In? Kuh-teen?

Let's hope it isn't like "Kaitlin", although he can play multiple positions interchangeably. 

[Lennys Tap]

If Buzz was recruiting the wrong kind of player, clearly it is a testament to his acumen as a coach that he was able to go S-16, S-16, E-8 with them.

1.Chico rips Buzz for recruiting "bad shooters" who led Marquette on its best run (S16, S16, E8) since Al.

2.Chico constantly defends Crean (who recruited and made Dominic James the #1 or 1A option in our offense even though he was an awful shooter) from all critics. Crean wins 1 NCAA game in three years encouraging a guy who shoots 29% from 3, 40.8% overall and 62% from the line (he missed more free throws than any player in MU history) to jack it at will.

Just another steamin' hot bowl of Chico's agenda driven hypocrisy. Yum yum.

[Benny B]

Who were some of these "athlete first, basketball player second" guys Chico's keeps talking about?
I think Carlton Christian fits the bill there. Trend Blackledge, for sure. Karon Bradley, maybe. But they were recruited by the guy before Buzz.
Who did Buzz recruit that wasn't a basketball player?

Otule.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Seriously? Wow. Would be a HUGE blow

Yeah really hope that's not true. Jajuan seems poised to have the senior year Vander never gave us.